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1. 07:16 AM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Alan Cockrell)
2. 08:07 AM - Re: What I wrote - - - (Brian Lloyd)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Brian Lloyd)
4. 11:36 AM - Re: charity flights (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 12:58 PM - Re: charity flights (Jon Boede)
6. 05:55 PM - Re: safety thing. (Walt Fricke)
7. 06:08 PM - S&F maunche (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 06:46 PM - Re: S&F maunche (Sam Sax)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Alan Cockrell" <yakdriver@comcast.net>
Jim
I went to the FAA proposed rulemaking site (FAA-1998-4521) and found the
language you are referring to. I didn't read it in depth because it was long
and I don't have that much time. So I could be wrong, but it appeared that
the restrictions to non-profit organizations were in regard to organized
charitable fund-raising events only. My opinion on that is there aint enough
liability insurance in the world to get me to do that.
Alan
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> 1. 03:47 PM - safety thing. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 2. 03:47 PM - Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 3. 04:56 PM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Brian Lloyd)
> 4. 05:08 PM - Southern Aviator and aviation magazine (Gus Fraser)
> 5. 06:34 PM - Re: Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Jon Boede)
> 6. 06:57 PM - Unintended Consequences (Desmor944@aol.com)
> 7. 07:20 PM - Re:Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Terry Calloway)
> 8. 07:43 PM - What I wrote guys. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 9. 07:45 PM - What I wrote - - - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 10. 07:52 PM - charity flights (Jon Boede)
> 11. 08:16 PM - Why I get easily p---ed !!!! (Frank Haertlein)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 03:47:56 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: safety thing.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In discussing with a very well respected restoration shop on why they
> recently let one of their mechanics go, I learned it had to do with a CJ-6
that
> he
> had worked on.
>
> It seems that when he put the cowling back on, he did not flip over the
> little tabs that keep the pins from backing out. During the test flight
the pilot
>
> returned, only because he saw some cowling rubber sticking out. On
inspection
>
> 3 of the 4 pins had fallen out and the cowling had slid forward and hit
the
> prop.
>
> This is the second time I've heard this happening with the same results.
> Right Walt?
>
> These little tabs on the end of those pins have a BIG job. The standoff
ring
> on the front of engine is there to;
> ONE as mounting place for the "Fish Scales". Louvers to you.
> AND
> TWO keep the cowling centered. NOT hold it place.
>
> With just 2 pins missing the cowling will slide forward and hit your prop.
> If the pins are broken - get new ones before the next flight. Missing or
> broken pins are a guarantied disaster.
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 03:47:56 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Why I get easily p---ed !!!!
> keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
> yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
> BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
> mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
> FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
> jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>
> At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about the
> proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some of the
proposal
> is
> really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
>
> 1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have just
4
> YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the rides are
not to
>
> use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in this stupid bunch of
> crap.
> Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF,
> Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
>
> Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school. His
> office is not even aware of this proposal!!
>
> If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above
organization
> will be able to fly their warbirds around the country. Period. Some 700
Mom
> & Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to be put out of busness.
>
> The close of the comments for or against the proposed regulation has been
> extended until April. If you're against please make your feeling and
concerns
>
> known. Go to http//www. DMS.DOT.gov to get to the comments page. I have
not
> been there yet but look for-DOC. FAA 1998-4521. Send e-mails to
> Alberta.Brown@FAA.gov.
>
> NOT to make political comments but guess who was the instigator of this
bull
> shit?
>
> New York Senator Hillary R. Clinton. No lie. Maybe some of you New
Yorkers
> can drop a nasty letter to her office. She certainly won't listen to
anyone
> who can't vote for her.
>
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 04:56:39 PM PST US
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Why I get easily p---ed !!!!
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> > Troops,
> >
> > At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about
> > the proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some
> > of the proposal is really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
>
> Oooooh, it has the word "SAFETY" in it so it must be good.
>
> > 1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have
> > just 4 YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the
> > rides are not to use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in
> > this stupid bunch of crap. Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes
> > RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF, Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
>
> Oh Pappy, you are just being silly. The FAA would *never* do anything
stupid.
> You just won't admit that there is a really good reason for this.
>
> > Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school.
> > His office is not even aware of this proposal!!
> >
> > If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above
> > organization will be able to fly their warbirds around the country.
> > Period. Some 700 Mom & Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to
> > be put out of busness.
>
> But this is obviously for safety reasons! They would *never* do anything
capricious.
> Remember, the Federal Government only has our best interest at heart and
> if you don't believe me, go read the Patriot Act! They are just trying to
> protect us!
>
> (For the humor impaired: the previous was a pathetic attempt at humor
utilized
> as a desperate last-ditch effort to try not to cry in the face of almost
unbelievable
> frustration.)
>
> Has anyone else read _Unintended_Consequences_," by John Ross? If you
haven't,
> pick up a copy. Just don't be put off by the stupid picture on the front
of
> the dust jacket.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 05:08:10 PM PST US
> From: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Southern Aviator and aviation magazine
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
> Folks,
> Spoke to Tom Norton today he is a journalist for the magazines above about
a
> story and suggested to him that as he will be at Sun & Fun that he hook up
> with you guys down there. If you want to follow up on this contact me off
> list about it.
>
> Gus Fraser
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 06:34:17 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Why I get easily p---ed !!!!
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> A PDF of the actual rule is at:
>
> http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/p77/257434.pdf
>
> The place to make comments is:
>
>
http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResultsSimple.cfm?numberValue=4521&searchType=docket
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> > Troops,
> >
> > At our ground school today a bit of time was spent on talking about the
> > proposed "National Air Tour Safety Standards FAA-1998-4521" Some of the
> > proposal is really really FLAT ASS DUMB!
> >
> > 1. One part in effect will only allow nonprofit organizations to have
> > just 4 YES FOUR (4) events a year to give rides AND - get this - the
> > rides are not to use the same pilots!!!!!! These are the details in
> > this stupid bunch of crap.
> > Those nonprofit organizations? Us, ( yes RPA if we wanted to) EAA, CAF,
> > Yankee Air Force, etc., etc.
> >
> > Now get this. We have an FAA FSDO guy sitting in our ground school.
> > His office is not even aware of this proposal!!
> >
> > If this proposal goes though, none absolutely none, of the above
> > organization will be able to fly their warbirds around the country.
> > Period. Some 700 Mom & Pop Part 91 FBOs that give rides are about to
> > be put out of busness.
> >
> > The close of the comments for or against the proposed regulation has
> > been extended until April. If you're against please make your feeling
> > and concerns known. Go to http//www. DMS.DOT.gov to get to the
> > comments page. I have not been there yet but look for-DOC. FAA
> > 1998-4521. Send e-mails to
> > Alberta.Brown@FAA.gov.
> >
> > NOT to make political comments but guess who was the instigator of this
> > bull shit?
> >
> > New York Senator Hillary R. Clinton. No lie. Maybe some of you New
> > Yorkers can drop a nasty letter to her office. She certainly won't
> > listen to anyone who can't vote for her.
> >
> >
> > Jim Goolsby
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> > deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> > Benjamin Franklin 1759
> > "With my shield, or on it"
> > Trojan Warriors BC
> > "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
> > grapes until some woman stomps all over them."
> > Unknown older man.
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 06:57:03 PM PST US
> From: Desmor944@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Unintended Consequences
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Desmor944@aol.com
>
> I have to second Brian's review of this book. It's scary to think of how
> easily this work of fiction could become reality. A must read.
>
> By the way, this isn't too far off topic. John Ross flies behind an M-14P
as
> well.
>
> Rich Desmond
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 07:20:08 PM PST US
> From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Re:Why I get easily p---ed !!!!
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> Friends,
> Of course I second Jim's letter writing suggestions, but I am going a
> step farther and suggest that each of you do the same.
>
> In addition to contacting our aviation community friends I am also
> sending request for letters to the members of other (non
> aviation)organizations I belong to. With a well written explanation of
> what rights all of us (not just pilots) are about to loose, maybe we can
> effect a few more thousand letters of comment.
>
> Finally, I am taking Jim's suggestion and contacting any friends and
> acquaintances I know in New York.
>
> Thanks Jim!
> tc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 07:43:55 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: What I wrote guys.
> keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
> yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
> BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
> mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
> FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
> jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> I am deeply concerned and have very negative conclusions about the
proposed
> rule FAA 1998-4521
>
> The evidence put forth does not support this rule. The evidence to me, in
> fact, shows a lack of oversight by the local FSDO in Hawaii. There is NO
overall
>
> evidence that the entire national Part 91 operators are endangering the
> uninformed sight seeing public.
>
> Every nonprofit Part 91 flying organization under the Exemption Letter
that
> am very acquainted with, as be an active participant with over the last
seven
> years, have had 0 injuries and 0 fatalities. The very evidence to support
this
>
> proposal PROVIDED by the writers, show fatalities by Part 135 operators is
> higher than Part 91. Also some 20% of the total accidents (i.e.,
balloons) are
>
> excluded from this legislation. This doesn't make sense.
>
> I also believe the cost analyze in this proposal is very unrealistic in
the
> least. Post 9/11 business conditions and regulations have already done
> considerable harm to general aviation.
>
> Many if not all the nonprofit aviation organization (EAA, Commemorative
Air
> Force, Collings Foundation, National Warplane Museum, Yankee Air Force, to
name
>
> just a few) cannot survive without donations associated with a flight
> experience or special donations to keep certain rare aircraft flying for
the
> historical and education of the American public. This legislation as
written would
>
> ground those flight and thus is a direct contradiction of the FAA's
> Congressional mandate to foster and expand aviation.
>
> Respectfully submit that in my 49 years as a pilot (major airlines and
> enthusiast) this is one of the worst proposed legislation, and ask that it
be SHIT
>
> CANNED.
>
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 07:45:17 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Yak-List: What I wrote - - -
> keith.goolsby@eds.com, gaf127enl@msn.com, MDSHELLEY@aol.com,
> yakjock@msn.com, walterfricke@yahoo.com, finleycj6@juno.com,
> BDorsey777@aol.com, dabear@damned.org, tcalloway@hangar-d.com,
> mason.t@worldnet.att.net, wpairprt@tdstelme.net, radialpower@cox.net,
> FamilyGage@aol.com, rvfltd@televar.com, cd001633@mindspring.com,
> ernest.martinez@oracle.com, FOUGAPILOT@aol.com, N23GD@yahoo.com,
> jtobul@tobul.com, KILOUSMC@aol.com, tormentor34@netzero.net
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> Na Na. I didn't say "SHIT CANNED" but words to that effect.
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:52:55 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: charity flights
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> If someone has a clear understanding of this, I'm all ears.
>
> If I'm flying an experimental aircraft, as an individual, and I take
> someone up for a charitable purpose...
>
> a) We can do aerobatics and formation? Or not?
>
> b) Reimbursement for the flight (to me) is limited to half the fuel and
> oil? Or all the fuel/oil? What are "airport expenses"?
>
> c) Does having a commercial certificate change (b) in any way?
>
> d) How does the NPRM that's circulating change things for an individual?
>
> e) How does the NPRM change this for a non-profit flying museum if:
>
> e1) The passenger makes a donation to the museum?
>
> e2) The museum is helping out the Red Cross and the passenger makes a
> donation to them and the Red Cross cuts a check for the gas?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon - who's just read enough FARs to make his head hurt
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 08:16:19 PM PST US
> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Why I get easily p---ed !!!!
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
> I almost wrote this letter about a month ago but resisted the urge to
> stray off topic for the list. But it has occurred to me that it is not
> off topic because government rules like this one are just more examples
> of an over-reaching government. The net effect of each one of these laws
> is the taking away your freedoms, rights and liberties as they add up
> and add up again and again to the point where every little action of
> your life is somehow prescribed by some law.
>
> As has been said, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions".
> Well, each new government law (by itself) usually don't affect us very
> much and they're all passed with good intentions (like the law that says
> you must wear seat belts or a helmet). But if you add up that law with
> all the other laws they have passed that are all designed to protect
> you, you wind up with a sum total that restricts your life and your
> freedoms. It hits us here in aviation as this recent FAA proposal
> demonstrates but it goes way beyond that too. This non-stop, constant
> barrage of new laws affects virtually every other aspect of your life as
> well. We need to fight this ongoing trend as each new law is just one
> more little tiny straw on the camels back.
>
> When was the last time you saw our government pass a law that increased
> your freedoms or liberties? The overwhelming bias is toward further
> restrictions on your rights and liberties. It's a trend that has to be
> stopped. The actions of our lawmakers would do mother Russia proud! I,
> for one, am sick of being over-regulated.
>
> Frank
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> Na Na. I didn't say "SHIT CANNED" but words to that effect.
Ah good. While I believe deep in my heart the term "shit canned" is most appropriate,
my other sensibilities suggest alternative wording.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> When was the last time you saw our government pass a law that increased
> your freedoms or liberties? The overwhelming bias is toward further
> restrictions on your rights and liberties. It's a trend that has to be
> stopped. The actions of our lawmakers would do mother Russia proud! I,
> for one, am sick of being over-regulated.
Wow Frank! Here is something you and I agree on 100%.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
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| Subject: | Re: charity flights |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 1/28/2004 10:53:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, jon@email.net
writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> If someone has a clear understanding of this, I'm all ears.
>
> If I'm flying an experimental aircraft, as an individual, and I take
> someone up for a charitable purpose...
>
> a) We can do aerobatics and formation? Or not?
NO. No aerobatics nor formation. Period , no exceptions.
>
> b) Reimbursement for the flight (to me) is limited to half the fuel and
> oil? Or all the fuel/oil? What are "airport expenses"?
>
> c) Does having a commercial certificate change (b) in any way?
Yes. You must have logged 500 or more of total time even if you just passed
you commerical ticket.
>
> d) How does the NPRM that's circulating change things for an individual?
You will be require to take check rides under Part 135 (once a year)
>
> e) How does the NPRM change this for a non-profit flying museum if:
>
> e1) The passenger makes a donation to the museum?
The organization (museum) will only be allowed 4 events a year, 3 to 4 days
long. AT the discretion of the FAA.
>
> e2) The museum is helping out the Red Cross and the passenger makes a
> donation to them and the Red Cross cuts a check for the gas?
>
Only the "reginonal" Red Cross will be allowed for flying 4 events a year, 3
to 4 days long. AT the discretion of the FAA. (page 28 I think it was, of
the 106 pages)
> Thanks,
> Jon - who's just read enough FARs to make his head hurt
>
That is the way I read it and the way the legal folks who donate their time
for the Collings Foundation read it to us volunteers.
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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| Subject: | Re: charity flights |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2004 10:53:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jon@email.net writes:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>
>> If someone has a clear understanding of this, I'm all ears.
>>
>> If I'm flying an experimental aircraft, as an individual, and I take
>> someone up for a charitable purpose...
>>
>> a) We can do aerobatics and formation? Or not?
>
> NO. No aerobatics nor formation. Period, no exceptions.
Currently, or under the NPRM?
Thanks much for the clarification.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: safety thing. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
This is the second time I've heard this happening with the same results.
Right Walt?
That's right Jim. I had allowed my experienced museum mechanics to change the
oil on my CJ and DID NOT check the security of the pins in preflight. I flew
several hours before the pins worked themselves out just as I was joining up
with a T-6. The aircraft had been sitting in the crowd at an airshow and my
first thought upon seeing the back of the cowl lift up about 4-5 inches in front
of my face was that the latches on the sides had been unbuckled by someone
in the crowd and I was expecting the cowling to come back thru the cockpit at
any second. I CALMLY told my GIB (a CAF volunteer who was taking his first
ride in a warbird), as I eased off the power and pointed back to the airport for
a down wind landing after clearing the traffic on the radio, that we "might
begin losing big pieces of the airplane and if he saw the head in front of him
dissappear that he was in charge". I think his head was below the canopy rail
all the way back to the field :-) . Anyway, the
cowling
stayed nicely latched but the whole assembly moved up and forward to the front
stop (the spinning prop). Ground the rivits off the front edge of the cowling
on top, and took a bit out of the trailing edge of the prop. Both fixable,
but NOT TO DO again!
Preflights after maintenance require extreme diligence. My mechanic wanted to
feel bad about it, and while I was tempted to let him (in front of a gathering
crowd), I felt the manly thing to do was.......... to ...........blame................
the T-6 wake turbulence!
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Those of you who were at AYS for the formation clinic will remember that a
local professional photographer (Bill Kirton) came out and photographed all our
aircraft and left each one of us with a very nice 8x10 color print of our
aircraft. He did this for nothing (unless you want reprints of course)
I have since received a letter from him about S&F. The grist of it is that
he wishs to attend and would be happy to video and take still pictures of our
event. We need only to pay for the costs of developing the prints.
About $8.00 for a 24 roll of 4x8s and $25.00 for 24 8x10. That is about a
little over $1.00 per print for 8x10s.
If you deside just keep the prints, thats fine, he'll keep the negatives. If
you want the negatives, that fine, he will only want a dozen of the prints to
have and show.
The costs of this? Rides for him, wife and son. That's all. They are
planning a "mini vacation" weekend at LAL. As GIBs not a bad deal in my humble
opinion. He will need to ride with us for air to air shots anyway.
What say you lads?
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Sound like a bargain to me!
I believe it is a great idea to have as many professional pictures taken as
possible, particularly so, in major aviation gatherings - many of them
(hopefully) will end up in the 'right' hand, helping to increase good
exposure / public awareness of our beautiful airplanes.
Sam Sax
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: S&F maunche
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Those of you who were at AYS for the formation clinic will remember that a
local professional photographer (Bill Kirton) came out and photographed all
our
aircraft and left each one of us with a very nice 8x10 color print of our
aircraft. He did this for nothing (unless you want reprints of course)
I have since received a letter from him about S&F. The grist of it is that
he wishs to attend and would be happy to video and take still pictures of
our
event. We need only to pay for the costs of developing the prints.
About $8.00 for a 24 roll of 4x8s and $25.00 for 24 8x10. That is about a
little over $1.00 per print for 8x10s.
If you deside just keep the prints, thats fine, he'll keep the negatives.
If
you want the negatives, that fine, he will only want a dozen of the prints
to
have and show.
The costs of this? Rides for him, wife and son. That's all. They are
planning a "mini vacation" weekend at LAL. As GIBs not a bad deal in my
humble
opinion. He will need to ride with us for air to air shots anyway.
What say you lads?
Jim Goolsby
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
deserve neither liberty nor safety"
Benjamin Franklin 1759
"With my shield, or on it"
Trojan Warriors BC
"The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like grapes
until some woman stomps all over them."
Unknown older man.
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