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2. 03:08 PM - Basic rules to fly a Yak ! (Jerome Van Der Schaar)
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4. 04:27 PM - Re: RPA Website (Jim Selby)
5. 09:57 PM - Re: High Cotton (Brian Lloyd)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Folks,
The western region had a great turn out for it's signature event at Castle
Airport earlier this month. I would say a majority of aircraft owners West
of the Rockies attended...
We now are inside two weeks (June 9th) to the Nebraska (KOLU) Fred Ihlenburg
Memorial RPA fly-in hosted by Keith Harour that is welcoming all members to
attend and is conveniently located for access by all our members in the
Northwest, Northcentral and Southcentral regions - for well over 40 owners,
this is their closest event...
June 24th starts the Northeastern RPA fly-in at KGED in Delaware, hosted by
Charlie Lynch and Sean Carrol...
Members and non members who are planning to attend can find more information
and pre-register at http://www.flyredstar.org/A_Events.aspx and help the
planners prepare for your arrival.
Drew
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> 1. 06:15 AM - Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Ross Bausone)
> 2. 07:37 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (A. Dennis
Savarese)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (A. Dennis
Savarese)
> 4. 07:59 AM - AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM (Terry Calloway)
> 5. 08:16 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Doug Sapp)
> 6. 08:22 AM - (Jerry Painter)
> 7. 10:33 AM - Infamous Exploding Yak 50 ..The Sequal (Kevin Pilling)
> 8. 12:54 PM - Re: High Cotton (Ron Davis)
> 9. 12:59 PM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Steve &
Donna Hanshew)
> 10. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 (Jorgen Nielsen)
> 11. 03:27 PM - Re: Commie Parts (Jim Ivey)
> 12. 03:35 PM - Re: Commie Parts (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 13. 05:06 PM - Fred Ihlenberg Memorial Fly-In (Avcraft)
> 14. 07:10 PM - Aluminum (Dave & Darlene)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 06:15:51 AM PST US
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
> Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:13:44 -0700
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
<WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
>
> I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
>
> I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
seconds.
>
> Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
with your
> aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and another had it
> happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
>
> This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
carburetor however,
> we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Ross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 07:37:03 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Most likely is a bad coil in one of the magnetos. I know that may sound
> somewhat far fetched, but believe me, we had a similar problem in one of
our
> recently delivered airplanes and chased EVERYTHING while not believing it
> could be a bad magneto coil. I have also talked to several other experts
> that have corroborated the symptom and the cause.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 07:52:54 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> You should also check the fine fuel screen for debris and make sure your
> flexible hoses do not have an obstruction which could have been caused by
a
> small piece of rubber/rubber flap from when the ends were assembled into
the
> hose.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 07:59:34 AM PST US
> From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> The AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM has been published and is available
> http://www.airventure.org/2004/flying/notam_2004.pdf
>
> No real surprises but everyone going to Oshkosh should study it prior
> to departure AND have a copy on the cockpit.
>
> One addendum I would recommend is for all Red Star planes to divert to
> MTW for fun and flying starting Sunday July 24.
>
> See you there,
> tc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 08:16:06 AM PST US
> From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Very similar problem in 2 Yak 52's at ARS. On the first water was found
in
> the fine screen, on the second no obvious problems could be found except
the
> pilot had been operating the aircraft at low green temps and the plugs
which
> were old Russian plugs were very badly worn. The combination of the two
may
> have accounted for the problem.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ross Bausone
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
>
> I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
>
> I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
>
> Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
>
> This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Ross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 08:22:53 AM PST US
> From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> Subject: Yak-List:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>
> Frank,
> How 'bout that McCullochCoupe! Way cool! And then there's the -985
> version, too (Love them -985's--cheap, er, reasonably priced, too!).
> Whatever happened to Aviat's 'Coupe? Yes, innovation is alive and well,
> just not in (certificated) production (except sometimes). Someday the FAA
> will realize (they've come to the realization but have no clue of how to
> deal with it--probably just as well) that nothing interesting has happened
> in US certificated airplanes in 50 years (with a few exceptions--and for
> obvious reasons, spelled "FAA") and that the real arena is the
> "Experimental" one. You're right that "liability" ("What, me worry? Not
my
> fault--must be HIS fault!") is a big part of the problem. Actually, the
FAA
> has finally recognized that cotton really is NOT the standard any more (AC
> 43.13-1B/2A now includes instructions for Stits/Ceconite installation,
> including Stits' hidden knot--"acceptable" data, but not "approved" data),
> but it doesn't matter because you still have to have an STC to use it on
> most a/c. Why make it easy? TSO's/equivalency? Naaah! 'Course the
STC's
> are available for most a/c, so it works out OK--after 40 years. Have you
> seen the Dynon displays? Who needs gyros/inverters? Experimentation can
> (sometimes) be a good thing. There's a fine line in there somewhere.
> Results may vary.
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 10:33:31 AM PST US
> From: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Infamous Exploding Yak 50 ..The Sequal
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
>
> Blank
> Dear Listers and Lurkers
>
> You'll recall the devastation wreaked upon my '50 last August by the
catastrophic
> failure of the main air bottle....., pictures available on the Motronics
server.
> Well I'm pleased to announce she flies once more. Having received the
insurance
> settlement at year end I had Mark at Yak UK crate her up and shipped to
> Termikas in Lithuania. Last weekend we flew to Vilnius on a scheduled and
took
> a lift to the surprisingly beautiful Pociunai Glider Field, home base of
Termikas
> to accept the restored '50 and the newly completed Yak 52 TD.The results
> of the careful attentions of the Termikas engineers is a revelation. Quite
> literally a miracle. Their uncompromising standards of finish and
engineering
> excellence have to be seen to be believed. That my rebuild was finished on
budget
> and on time to the exact day promised puts to shame many pretenders to
their
> throne, not ignoring the extras I subsequently asked them to build into
the
> job !....like 400hp upgrade, full leather trim, transponder, stainless
steel
> firewall, all new rigid alloy and flexi pneumatic pipes and full
instruments overhaul.
> Test flown by Mark J' straight up to 10,500 feet and wrung out through
> an energetic aerobatic sequence all the way back to touch down, no post
test
> flight adjustments were required. So next day, all paperwork completed,
07:30
> local we departed, Mark in the new Yak 52TD myself in the '50 for the 1200
mile
> ferry flight home to the UK. Three fuel stops (for the 50, only two for
the
> TD! ), plus one for Customs clearances and a little short of 10 hours
airborne
> later we put the wheels back on UK soil at 20:55 hrs local, 10 minutes
past
> sunset (20<30 km headwinds all the way )! Lithuania-Pociunai & Kaunas
>Poland-Poznan>Germany-Braunschweig&Dinslaken>UK-Little
> Gransden. (16 hours 25 minutes
> inclusive) Almost unbelievably she remains perfectly clean and oil tight !
>
> So to all those fellow Yaksters out there who offered comforting words and
condolences
> last August I say THANKS, it was much appreciated and helped in the low
> points. Thanks also to Mark J' and all at Termikas.
>
> BTW the 52TD looks sensational in flight...completely clean underwing and
business
> like from every angle. Suffice to say the engineering standards are
exemplary.
>
> ..and to Mark S' your '50 was in the hanger being worked on alongside
another flush
> riveted example from Germany that had wet wings to give 5 + hours fuel.
>
> Fly safe. kp
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 12:54:40 PM PST US
> From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: High Cotton
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> If a plane was originally certified with cotton, then that's what the type
> certificate required then, and now. Do you really want the FAA to
> retroactively change the requirements on a plane?
>
> NO, YOU DON'T, or at least I don't want them too.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 12:59:08 PM PST US
> From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Donna Hanshew"
<dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
>
> Doug,
>
> I concede to your infinite wisdom. The SK-35 alternator rig from B & C
> worked. I have the old whore back in the hangar on the home strip.
> Everything is working. I have fresh working Chinese generators for anyone
> that wants them. I'm thinking of making a nice lamp with a chamois shade
out
> of one.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > Very similar problem in 2 Yak 52's at ARS. On the first water was found
> in
> > the fine screen, on the second no obvious problems could be found except
> the
> > pilot had been operating the aircraft at low green temps and the plugs
> which
> > were old Russian plugs were very badly worn. The combination of the two
> may
> > have accounted for the problem.
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ross Bausone
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> > <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> > seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> > with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> > another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> > carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
>
> Time: 02:15:11 PM PST US
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Impressions of flat spin - yes it winds up, I also like the winding up
> when going left and feeding in outspin ail, then then extra wind up when
> going forward stick.
>
> My impression: one does not have to hold it in when stable.
>
> Re "if everything goes haywire", that won't work for flat spin. Mine
> does not recover even with opposite rudder and full forward (i.e, no
> inspin ail)
>
> Can't comment on Lomchevak.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> Haertlein
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters;
> In talking about the right flat spin of the 52 all I can say is (in the
> immortal words of a fellow MIG pilot) is that it "really winds up". I
> got the very same impression when flying with Oleg. It really does "wind
> up". I got the distinct impression that I had to hold it in to keep it
> in the flat spin though the recovery did take a few turns. Anyone want
> to interject their impressions? Everything was happening so fast I
> couldn't really analyze what was going on except by using "seat of the
> pants" impressions. Every other spin recovery seemed conventional for
> me except that Oleg kept chastising me to slow down with the
> recovery...... "YAK-52 like fine woman, go slow and things work good"..
> Did anyone else have that impression?
>
> Another interesting aspect of his training was the "if everything goes
> haywire and you don't know what's upside down or rightside up, just pull
> off power, hold onto the canopy rails and wait" maneuver. Took me awhile
> to get used to that one but sure as hell the 52 found it's nose and
> pointed the way back, so to speak. Not sure it would do that from the
> flat spin though.
>
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know how he gets you into the Lomchevak? I
> think I know but since Oleg's spin entry was unusual for me I wonder if
> his Lomchevak entry is different as well? I saw him and George Lazic
> above the field tumbling around like crazy. Wished I would have thought
> to ask him to show me that maneuver. Frank N911OM YAK52
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 03:27:02 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Commie Parts
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Doug:
>
> You're welcome in my cockpit anytime. PIC, front, back ... Your call. It
> would be an honor. Same goes for my campfire. Anytime.
>
> Thanks for the honest, impeccable parts support over the years. If for
some
> forgotten reason you do in fact qualify under a definition of "bumming"
then
> you're bumming with the best of us.
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
>
> Time: 03:35:13 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Commie Parts
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2004 6:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jim@jimivey.com writes:
>
> > Doug:
> >
> > You're welcome in my cockpit anytime. PIC, front, back ... Your call.
It
> > would be an honor. Same goes for my campfire. Anytime.
> >
> Well Doug's wife is welcome in MY cockpit. He's to ugly. :)
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
>
> Time: 05:06:21 PM PST US
> From: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fred Ihlenberg Memorial Fly-In
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
>
> Fellow RPAers,
>
> We are set for another Fantastic Clinic in Columbus, NE (OLU) June 9-13,
2004.
>
> It's always been a great 5 days having everyone here! Janace & I are
excited to
> host such a wonderful group of aviation enthusiasts!
>
> The town of Columbus, EAA Chapter 876, local businesses, the Columbus
Airport Authority
> and Avcraft, Inc. support this event and are looking forward to a
successful
> event again this year!
>
> When I say SUPPORT:
>
> Discounted Fuel
> Discounted Oil
> Discounted Room Rates
> Some Free Meals (a Fantastic Steakfeed @ Avcraft! & Breakfast @ Avcraft on
Saturday
> & Sunday)
> Transportation to and from Motel
> Group Meals
> Multi-aircraft Hangar capability @ no charge (we hangared 24 during a
storm!)
>
> We will have available:
>
> Smoke oil; 100LL; 25/60 Aeroshell; 100 - 50W; 40W
> Aerobatic Box on field
> Bomb Drop Contest
> Spot Landing Contest
> Formation Training
> Parachute Packing available
> Formation Team Contest
>
> and any other ideas we can come up with!
>
> We are looking forward to another Great Event & Lots of FUN!
>
> Make your plans now to attend!
>
> Keith Harbour
> 402.564.7884 Office
> 402.910.5247 Cell
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 07:10:44 PM PST US
> From: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Aluminum
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
<dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
>
> Hi All
> 'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for my XL. I live in
Alberta,
> just west of Edmonton. I'm looking for a builder who might have some
extra metal
> kicking around. I realize there are many different sizes of
angles,sheeting
> that we need. I can access the most common, but there are some that can
only
> be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the sheet is never needed and there
> seems to be much left over. I would be willing to pay fair price plus
shipping.
> I just think this would be a lettle more less expensive then buying a
whole
> sheet or a long length of angle only to use a small piece of it. It would
probably
> only be worthwhile getting this from a canadian as shipping cross the
> border can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are welcome.
> Dave
> dnimigon@telusplanet.net
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van Der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.
Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing it what's dangerous.
It's always better to be down here wishing you were up there, than up there
wishing you were down here.
The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you are on fire.
The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot
cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever collided with the
sky.
A `good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A `great' landing is
one after which they can use the plane again.
Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of
them yourself.
Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five
minutes earlier.
Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps talking about might be
another aeroplane in the opposite direction. Reliable sources also report
that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.
There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately no
one knows what they are.
You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick
is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually
comes from bad judgement.
It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as
possible.
Keep looking around, there's always something you've missed.
Try to keep the number of landings equal to the number of takeoffs.
If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick
back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the
way back, then they get bigger again.
You know you've landed wheels up if it takes full power to taxi.
The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of
arrival. Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice
versa.
Helicopters can't fly, they're just so ugly that earth repels them.
In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminium going hundreds of
miles an hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet
to lose.
Air above you is just as useful as runway behind you.
Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. And it's not
subject to repeal.
The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above you, runway
behind you, and a tenth of a second ago.
Check y'r six,
Jerome
www.yakkes.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Selby" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Anyone
I have a Yak with the Russian Radio in it, I want to wire my U.S headset
with Mic. into the Russian system, does anyone have the wiring schematic it
did this.
Jim Selby
e-mail jimscjs@mbay.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Drew Blahnick
Subject: Yak-List: RPA Website
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Drew Blahnick" <drewblahnick@hotmail.com>
Folks,
The western region had a great turn out for it's signature event at Castle
Airport earlier this month. I would say a majority of aircraft owners West
of the Rockies attended...
We now are inside two weeks (June 9th) to the Nebraska (KOLU) Fred Ihlenburg
Memorial RPA fly-in hosted by Keith Harour that is welcoming all members to
attend and is conveniently located for access by all our members in the
Northwest, Northcentral and Southcentral regions - for well over 40 owners,
this is their closest event...
June 24th starts the Northeastern RPA fly-in at KGED in Delaware, hosted by
Charlie Lynch and Sean Carrol...
Members and non members who are planning to attend can find more information
and pre-register at http://www.flyredstar.org/A_Events.aspx and help the
planners prepare for your arrival.
Drew
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> 1. 06:15 AM - Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Ross Bausone)
> 2. 07:37 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (A. Dennis
Savarese)
> 3. 07:52 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (A. Dennis
Savarese)
> 4. 07:59 AM - AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM (Terry Calloway)
> 5. 08:16 AM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Doug Sapp)
> 6. 08:22 AM - (Jerry Painter)
> 7. 10:33 AM - Infamous Exploding Yak 50 ..The Sequal (Kevin Pilling)
> 8. 12:54 PM - Re: High Cotton (Ron Davis)
> 9. 12:59 PM - Re: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly (Steve &
Donna Hanshew)
> 10. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Yak 52 (Jorgen Nielsen)
> 11. 03:27 PM - Re: Commie Parts (Jim Ivey)
> 12. 03:35 PM - Re: Commie Parts (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 13. 05:06 PM - Fred Ihlenberg Memorial Fly-In (Avcraft)
> 14. 07:10 PM - Aluminum (Dave & Darlene)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:15:51 AM PST US
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
> Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 25 May 2004 06:13:44 -0700
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
<WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
>
> I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
>
> I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
seconds.
>
> Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
with your
> aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and another had it
> happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
>
> This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
carburetor however,
> we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Ross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:37:03 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> Most likely is a bad coil in one of the magnetos. I know that may sound
> somewhat far fetched, but believe me, we had a similar problem in one of
our
> recently delivered airplanes and chased EVERYTHING while not believing it
> could be a bad magneto coil. I have also talked to several other experts
> that have corroborated the symptom and the cause.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 07:52:54 AM PST US
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <adsavar@gte.net>
>
> You should also check the fine fuel screen for debris and make sure your
> flexible hoses do not have an obstruction which could have been caused by
a
> small piece of rubber/rubber flap from when the ends were assembled into
the
> hose.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 07:59:34 AM PST US
> From: "Terry Calloway" <TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<TCalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> The AirVenture 2004 Warbird NOTAM has been published and is available
> http://www.airventure.org/2004/flying/notam_2004.pdf
>
> No real surprises but everyone going to Oshkosh should study it prior
> to departure AND have a copy on the cockpit.
>
> One addendum I would recommend is for all Red Star planes to divert to
> MTW for fun and flying starting Sunday July 24.
>
> See you there,
> tc
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:16:06 AM PST US
> From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Very similar problem in 2 Yak 52's at ARS. On the first water was found
in
> the fine screen, on the second no obvious problems could be found except
the
> pilot had been operating the aircraft at low green temps and the plugs
which
> were old Russian plugs were very badly worn. The combination of the two
may
> have accounted for the problem.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ross Bausone
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
>
> I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
>
> I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> seconds.
>
> Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
>
> This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
> Ross
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:22:53 AM PST US
> From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> Subject: Yak-List:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>
> Frank,
> How 'bout that McCullochCoupe! Way cool! And then there's the -985
> version, too (Love them -985's--cheap, er, reasonably priced, too!).
> Whatever happened to Aviat's 'Coupe? Yes, innovation is alive and well,
> just not in (certificated) production (except sometimes). Someday the FAA
> will realize (they've come to the realization but have no clue of how to
> deal with it--probably just as well) that nothing interesting has happened
> in US certificated airplanes in 50 years (with a few exceptions--and for
> obvious reasons, spelled "FAA") and that the real arena is the
> "Experimental" one. You're right that "liability" ("What, me worry? Not
my
> fault--must be HIS fault!") is a big part of the problem. Actually, the
FAA
> has finally recognized that cotton really is NOT the standard any more (AC
> 43.13-1B/2A now includes instructions for Stits/Ceconite installation,
> including Stits' hidden knot--"acceptable" data, but not "approved" data),
> but it doesn't matter because you still have to have an STC to use it on
> most a/c. Why make it easy? TSO's/equivalency? Naaah! 'Course the
STC's
> are available for most a/c, so it works out OK--after 40 years. Have you
> seen the Dynon displays? Who needs gyros/inverters? Experimentation can
> (sometimes) be a good thing. There's a fine line in there somewhere.
> Results may vary.
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 10:33:31 AM PST US
> From: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Infamous Exploding Yak 50 ..The Sequal
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <kjpilling@btclick.com>
>
> Blank
> Dear Listers and Lurkers
>
> You'll recall the devastation wreaked upon my '50 last August by the
catastrophic
> failure of the main air bottle....., pictures available on the Motronics
server.
> Well I'm pleased to announce she flies once more. Having received the
insurance
> settlement at year end I had Mark at Yak UK crate her up and shipped to
> Termikas in Lithuania. Last weekend we flew to Vilnius on a scheduled and
took
> a lift to the surprisingly beautiful Pociunai Glider Field, home base of
Termikas
> to accept the restored '50 and the newly completed Yak 52 TD.The results
> of the careful attentions of the Termikas engineers is a revelation. Quite
> literally a miracle. Their uncompromising standards of finish and
engineering
> excellence have to be seen to be believed. That my rebuild was finished on
budget
> and on time to the exact day promised puts to shame many pretenders to
their
> throne, not ignoring the extras I subsequently asked them to build into
the
> job !....like 400hp upgrade, full leather trim, transponder, stainless
steel
> firewall, all new rigid alloy and flexi pneumatic pipes and full
instruments overhaul.
> Test flown by Mark J' straight up to 10,500 feet and wrung out through
> an energetic aerobatic sequence all the way back to touch down, no post
test
> flight adjustments were required. So next day, all paperwork completed,
07:30
> local we departed, Mark in the new Yak 52TD myself in the '50 for the 1200
mile
> ferry flight home to the UK. Three fuel stops (for the 50, only two for
the
> TD! ), plus one for Customs clearances and a little short of 10 hours
airborne
> later we put the wheels back on UK soil at 20:55 hrs local, 10 minutes
past
> sunset (20<30 km headwinds all the way )! Lithuania-Pociunai & Kaunas
>Poland-Poznan>Germany-Braunschweig&Dinslaken>UK-Little
> Gransden. (16 hours 25 minutes
> inclusive) Almost unbelievably she remains perfectly clean and oil tight !
>
> So to all those fellow Yaksters out there who offered comforting words and
condolences
> last August I say THANKS, it was much appreciated and helped in the low
> points. Thanks also to Mark J' and all at Termikas.
>
> BTW the 52TD looks sensational in flight...completely clean underwing and
business
> like from every angle. Suffice to say the engineering standards are
exemplary.
>
> ..and to Mark S' your '50 was in the hanger being worked on alongside
another flush
> riveted example from Germany that had wet wings to give 5 + hours fuel.
>
> Fly safe. kp
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:54:40 PM PST US
> From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: High Cotton
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> If a plane was originally certified with cotton, then that's what the type
> certificate required then, and now. Do you really want the FAA to
> retroactively change the requirements on a plane?
>
> NO, YOU DON'T, or at least I don't want them too.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:59:08 PM PST US
> From: "Steve & Donna Hanshew" <dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Donna Hanshew"
<dhanshew@cinci.rr.com>
>
> Doug,
>
> I concede to your infinite wisdom. The SK-35 alternator rig from B & C
> worked. I have the old whore back in the hangar on the home strip.
> Everything is working. I have fresh working Chinese generators for anyone
> that wants them. I'm thinking of making a nice lamp with a chamois shade
out
> of one.
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
> >
> > Very similar problem in 2 Yak 52's at ARS. On the first water was found
> in
> > the fine screen, on the second no obvious problems could be found except
> the
> > pilot had been operating the aircraft at low green temps and the plugs
> which
> > were old Russian plugs were very badly worn. The combination of the two
> may
> > have accounted for the problem.
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ross Bausone
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: Yak Engine stopping in flight briefly
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone"
> > <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
> >
> > I am a partner in a Yak-52. It's been a great machine.
> >
> > I was looking for info regarding the Yak engine "cutting out" for 1-2
> > seconds.
> >
> > Has anyone ever noticed anything like this? Has it happened consistently
> > with your aircraft? I had this happen right after lift off, once, and
> > another had it happen at 3500 feet in cruise.
> >
> > This has happened a few times, and we are beginning to suspect the
> > carburetor however, we haven't gotten a clear indication yet.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:15:11 PM PST US
> From: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
<jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
>
> Impressions of flat spin - yes it winds up, I also like the winding up
> when going left and feeding in outspin ail, then then extra wind up when
> going forward stick.
>
> My impression: one does not have to hold it in when stable.
>
> Re "if everything goes haywire", that won't work for flat spin. Mine
> does not recover even with opposite rudder and full forward (i.e, no
> inspin ail)
>
> Can't comment on Lomchevak.
>
> Jorgen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> Haertlein
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: Yak 52
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters;
> In talking about the right flat spin of the 52 all I can say is (in the
> immortal words of a fellow MIG pilot) is that it "really winds up". I
> got the very same impression when flying with Oleg. It really does "wind
> up". I got the distinct impression that I had to hold it in to keep it
> in the flat spin though the recovery did take a few turns. Anyone want
> to interject their impressions? Everything was happening so fast I
> couldn't really analyze what was going on except by using "seat of the
> pants" impressions. Every other spin recovery seemed conventional for
> me except that Oleg kept chastising me to slow down with the
> recovery...... "YAK-52 like fine woman, go slow and things work good"..
> Did anyone else have that impression?
>
> Another interesting aspect of his training was the "if everything goes
> haywire and you don't know what's upside down or rightside up, just pull
> off power, hold onto the canopy rails and wait" maneuver. Took me awhile
> to get used to that one but sure as hell the 52 found it's nose and
> pointed the way back, so to speak. Not sure it would do that from the
> flat spin though.
>
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know how he gets you into the Lomchevak? I
> think I know but since Oleg's spin entry was unusual for me I wonder if
> his Lomchevak entry is different as well? I saw him and George Lazic
> above the field tumbling around like crazy. Wished I would have thought
> to ask him to show me that maneuver. Frank N911OM YAK52
>
>
> ==
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
> ==
> ==
> ==
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:27:02 PM PST US
> From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Commie Parts
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Doug:
>
> You're welcome in my cockpit anytime. PIC, front, back ... Your call. It
> would be an honor. Same goes for my campfire. Anytime.
>
> Thanks for the honest, impeccable parts support over the years. If for
some
> forgotten reason you do in fact qualify under a definition of "bumming"
then
> you're bumming with the best of us.
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:35:13 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Commie Parts
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 5/25/2004 6:27:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> jim@jimivey.com writes:
>
> > Doug:
> >
> > You're welcome in my cockpit anytime. PIC, front, back ... Your call.
It
> > would be an honor. Same goes for my campfire. Anytime.
> >
> Well Doug's wife is welcome in MY cockpit. He's to ugly. :)
> Jim Goolsby
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety,
> deserve neither liberty nor safety"
> Benjamin Franklin 1759
> "With my shield, or on it"
> Trojan Warriors BC
> "The reason older men are like fine wine. When young, they are like
grapes
> until some woman stomps all over them."
> Unknown older man.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:06:21 PM PST US
> From: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Fred Ihlenberg Memorial Fly-In
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Avcraft" <avcraft@citlink.net>
>
> Fellow RPAers,
>
> We are set for another Fantastic Clinic in Columbus, NE (OLU) June 9-13,
2004.
>
> It's always been a great 5 days having everyone here! Janace & I are
excited to
> host such a wonderful group of aviation enthusiasts!
>
> The town of Columbus, EAA Chapter 876, local businesses, the Columbus
Airport Authority
> and Avcraft, Inc. support this event and are looking forward to a
successful
> event again this year!
>
> When I say SUPPORT:
>
> Discounted Fuel
> Discounted Oil
> Discounted Room Rates
> Some Free Meals (a Fantastic Steakfeed @ Avcraft! & Breakfast @ Avcraft on
Saturday
> & Sunday)
> Transportation to and from Motel
> Group Meals
> Multi-aircraft Hangar capability @ no charge (we hangared 24 during a
storm!)
>
> We will have available:
>
> Smoke oil; 100LL; 25/60 Aeroshell; 100 - 50W; 40W
> Aerobatic Box on field
> Bomb Drop Contest
> Spot Landing Contest
> Formation Training
> Parachute Packing available
> Formation Team Contest
>
> and any other ideas we can come up with!
>
> We are looking forward to another Great Event & Lots of FUN!
>
> Make your plans now to attend!
>
> Keith Harbour
> 402.564.7884 Office
> 402.910.5247 Cell
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:10:44 PM PST US
> From: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Aluminum
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
<dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
>
> Hi All
> 'm in the process of getting together metal, etc for my XL. I live in
Alberta,
> just west of Edmonton. I'm looking for a builder who might have some
extra metal
> kicking around. I realize there are many different sizes of
angles,sheeting
> that we need. I can access the most common, but there are some that can
only
> be ordered by the 4x12 sheet. Most of the sheet is never needed and there
> seems to be much left over. I would be willing to pay fair price plus
shipping.
> I just think this would be a lettle more less expensive then buying a
whole
> sheet or a long length of angle only to use a small piece of it. It would
probably
> only be worthwhile getting this from a canadian as shipping cross the
> border can get expensive. Any thoughts from the group are welcome.
> Dave
> dnimigon@telusplanet.net
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
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> Yaksters;
> Just got a 52 in with cotton surfaces. I picked off a small piece from
> an inconspicuous location and it crumbled as I rubbed it between my
> fingers. I did the "thump" test and it seemed OK to me but I'm not an
> expert by any stretch. I'm not mentioning names... (he reads this list)
> but the owner wants to fly it this summer and wait to replace the
> surfaces with stits until later this winter.
Do a punch test. If it passes, fly it. If not, recover the surfaces before flying
it again.
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brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Brian,
The problem with a punch test in this case is that the fabric on a 52 tends
to fail right where it transitions up onto the frame. And in time it will
fail in a straight line along the edge of the frame like it was cut with a
knife. I looked at several 52's at ARS this year and all seemed to be
suffering from the same problems cotton or Stitts, made no difference.
Stitts of course is inherently much stronger than cotton and will stand up
under the constant beating of the prop wash better than cotton. I don't
know what the total fix is short of metalizing, but I have notice that the
problem was not as evident on 3 bladed aircraft, and was almost nonexistent
on 2 bladed CJ's with M14's.
Missed you at ARS, heard you were in the country?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: High Cotton
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brianl@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yaksters;
> Just got a 52 in with cotton surfaces. I picked off a small piece from
> an inconspicuous location and it crumbled as I rubbed it between my
> fingers. I did the "thump" test and it seemed OK to me but I'm not an
> expert by any stretch. I'm not mentioning names... (he reads this list)
> but the owner wants to fly it this summer and wait to replace the
> surfaces with stits until later this winter.
Do a punch test. If it passes, fly it. If not, recover the surfaces before
flying it again.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.360.838.9669 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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