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1. 06:07 AM - Stanley Cup Winners!!!! ()
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Stanley Cup Winners!!!! (David Stroud)
3. 07:58 AM - Re: Stanley Cup Winners!!!! (David Marsh)
4. 08:28 AM - Why? Why not! (Barry Hancock)
5. 09:11 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Michael Di Marco)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: Why? Why not! (Ernie Martinez)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: Why? Why not! (Gus Fraser)
8. 12:05 PM - Why? Why not! (MFilucci@aol.com)
9. 12:07 PM - Re: Why? Why not! (Barry Hancock)
10. 01:08 PM - Re: Re: Why not!The Ritz-Carlton Dearborn (JGibson912@aol.com)
11. 01:28 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 06/07/04 (Jeffrey Scanes)
12. 03:31 PM - Re: Why? Why not! (Ernie Martinez)
13. 04:46 PM - Re: Why? Why not! (Gus Fraser)
14. 05:28 PM - Gyros (Bryan Coppersmith)
15. 06:14 PM - Oshkosh Trip (Frank Haertlein)
16. 06:39 PM - Re: Why? Why not! (Ernie Martinez)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: Oshkosh Trip (Ernie Martinez)
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| Subject: | Stanley Cup Winners!!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <yak52@flyredstar.org>
GO TAMPA!!!!!
All Canadians will be refused access to the RPA website for one hour as a tribute
to the Stanley Cup Champions.
:)
Deon Esterhuizen.
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| Subject: | Re: Stanley Cup Winners!!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "David Stroud" <davestroud@rogers.com>
Even the Canadian players on the Tampa Team..? Sheesh..;-)
David Stroud, Ottawa, Canada
Christavia C-FDWS
Fairchild 51 early construction
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From: <yak52@flyredstar.org>
Subject: Yak-List: Stanley Cup Winners!!!!
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <yak52@flyredstar.org>
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> GO TAMPA!!!!!
>
> All Canadians will be refused access to the RPA website for one hour as a tribute
to the
Stanley Cup Champions.
>
> :)
>
> Deon Esterhuizen.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stanley Cup Winners!!!! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: David Marsh <swampy@videotron.ca>
Quite right !
After all, Tampa's team of Canadians did indeed squeak a victory over
Calgary's team of Canadians .......
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From: <yak52@flyredstar.org>
Subject: Yak-List: Stanley Cup Winners!!!!
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> GO TAMPA!!!!!
>
> All Canadians will be refused access to the RPA website for one hour as a
tribute to the Stanley Cup Champions.
>
> :)
>
> Deon Esterhuizen.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
like we should.
I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
show...if we just show up!
So....
1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
B
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| Subject: | Re: Empty Weight |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com>
Thanks everyone for your replies. Another example of community unity and the value
of this medium.
Mike
Michael Di Marco <cj6a_chinablue@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
I'm wondering if my empty weight is in line with what is "normal" for the CJ-6A.
Yakity Yaks lists it as 1900lbs and China Defence lists it as 1095 kgs(2414
lbs). With the black boxes removed, I'm coming in at 2340 lbs. Normal or Not?
Mike Di Marco
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays en-route.
Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away in
order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
got to fly in and STAY there.
2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
like we should.
I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
show...if we just show up!
So....
1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ernie,
I will be staying in warbird camping and enjoying the show. Come on down
and bring many six packs.
Gus
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N52EK
It's a Russian thing
...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
>of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
>means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
>devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays en-route.
>Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
>that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
>enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away in
>order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
>away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
>staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
>airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
>the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
>some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
>got to fly in and STAY there.
>
>2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
>the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
>isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
>fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
>thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
>
>Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
>together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
>sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
>EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
>defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
>
>This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
>and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
>Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
>there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
>guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
>planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
>at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
>felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
>
>Ernie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>Gang,
>
>I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
>about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
>
>We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
>country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
>like we should.
>
>I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
>right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
>together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
>the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
>associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
>show...if we just show up!
>
>So....
>
>1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
>
>2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
>
>
>B
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Gosh, Ernie, you are breaking my heart, man! Staying in flea bag hotels --
why would you do that to yourself? You did make your own reservations just like
all the other grownups, didn't you? Hint: there are lots of hotels and even
some very nice B&Bs at nearly every location the RPA stages an event.
Another hint: no one insists that everyone stay at the remote airfields we
use for formation training. We stage from these fields because trying to
accomplish multiple sortie, form training in the LAL or OSH environment would
be a
safety and logistical nightmare. All we really ask is that those who wish to
participate in the formation warbird airshow show up to practice with the
rest of the group. It doesn't make any difference where you stay. Practicing
with the group of guys you are going to fly with in front of a crowd of tens of
thousands of people is not asking too much, is it?
Why do we do so much formation training at these events -- because that's
what the majority of the pilots who attend these things want to do? Nobody is
force feeding this training on anyone. Also, nobody is asking anyone to fly
every single day in the warbird fly-bys (or any days, for that matter). If you
want to fly just one day in the show and spend the rest of the time on the
ground at LAL/OSH that's great, but you will have to practice before you grace
the sky with your formation artwork.
Those who have other interests have some options too. We will have an
aerobatic box at MTW this year for those who want to hone their aerobatic skills.
Last year we had Sergei there to provide absolutely terrific aerobatic
training, so it never was just about formation.
You have to appreciate that this is an all volunteer association of pilots.
In practical terms that means that if you want to accomplish something at our
fly-ins, you need to stand up and volunteer to organize it. The RPA provides
you with a network of like-minded warbird drivers -- it's up to you to make
things happen. The resources of the association are at your disposal through
the regional coordinator but it's going to take some volunteerism on your part
to accomplish your goals. Whining serves no purpose here.
As far as paying for the first class commercial airline tickets or upgrading
to turbine power, that's a great idea; I like it, sign me up for a ticket --
and if you figure out how to do that for all the members using their $37.00
dollar membership fee I say: "I nominate Ernie Martinez for Treasurer for
life."
See you at Oshkosh,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Why? Why not! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Geez, did someone roll out on the wrong side of the bed this morning,
or miss there morning cup of joe?
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
> 1) But RPA insists on staging miles away in
> order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire
> week away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year,
> I'm staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some
> crappy airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of
> fun, all the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation
> clinics
> some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
> got to fly in and STAY there.
You'll also find people that enjoy staying away from the event during
the evenings. However, much of what you've spoken of has been
discussed and hopefully we can implement some improvements. Last I
knew (just after OSH last year) we were talking about doing the mass
formation training (no FAST clinic, more on that in a minute), the
aerobatic box, BBQ, etc. out of MTW prior to the event, but then once
the event starts we stage out of OSH. The reasons, above the ones
Ernie mentions, is flying in and out of OSH in the mornings is not that
big a deal with the warbird arrival, and it cuts down on the logistical
challenges of making briefings, relaxing at the show, etc. However,
mass formation practice prior to the event is not practical/safe at
OSH.
In defense of the way we have done it in the past, we were still small
enough in FAST qualified numbers that including training at the event
was manageable. However, we have grown to the point where there is
really only enough time to deal with practicing our mass formations for
the show. This has to be the priority because this flying environment
is very demanding and really is not the environment for the newly
patched wingman to fly his/her first show.
>
> 2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
> the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes.
> This way weather isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power
> and pay for the fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time
> Space Continuum" thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
Or we could just solicit those deep pocket jet drivers to make a
donation...
>
> Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
> together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest???
C'mon, Ernie, are you telling me that when guys fly in a formation at a
show that they don't want to be the best looking group over show
center? Of course we *want* to look better than everyone else, be
serious. If we don't, however, we'll laugh at our screw ups (most of
the time) and have a great time regardless. I don't fly home from one
of these events thinking about how good or bad we looked, I fly home
thinking about the great time I had with friends old and new. But when
we hit the start button at show time, you're darned tootin' we want to
look better than the other groups. But at the same time, we don't take
this too seriously, either. It's all good clean fun, and no one is
going to go home and kick their dog if they were sucked in the slot.
> It sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs.
Not at all. Let's not confuse the issue. In a perfect world we have
100 T-6's, 100 T-34's, 100 T-28's, and 100 Yaks/CJs, all looking Sierra
Hotel at every show.... The reality is the other groups have been
there done that, are a tad more aged, and the T-34's are suffering from
their spar issue. This association is growing and vibrant, it's simply
fun to be a part of that. But this is all waaay off topic, I'm simply
interested in coming up with ways to make OSH more attractive to more
of our members.
> We're all EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it
> comes to defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
Amen. Preaching to the choir here...
>
> This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
> and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
We are all warbird pilots who come to these events and fly and hang out
together. Naturally part of that is formation flying. At the big
events the focus is on formation flying because we are participating in
an *airshow*. Frankly, I don't know what your basing this comment on.
We've changed our name from the Yak Pilots Association (exclusive) to
the RedStar Pilots Association (more inclusive), there are more events
with a wider variety of activities than ever before, we even encourage
non-warbirds that are eastern bloc (Sukhoi, Yak-18T, IAR's, etc.) to
call the association and our events home. Heck, we're even developing
a Tactical Formation and Air Combat Simulation Standard for our
association. Show me another association that does that...
> Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
> there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
> guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
> planned for them?
Glad you asked. Jets are always welcome at ARS, and I'm sure there
will be something east of the Rockies soon. We have aerobatic boxes at
many of the events (including MTW/OSH). My question to you is, what
have you done to promote the RPA to your jet buddies? You want
something, you need to go out and make it happen. This isn't magic,
and no one else is going to do it for us. ARS didn't just happen, it
took an extremely time consuming effort by dedicated people, and a lot
of POSITIVE energy to make it happen.
> I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
> at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
> felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
I'm sorry to hear that. Non-participating members are sure
welcome/encouraged. The HQ we had at OSH last year was great, everyone
had a common place to meet at the event. Walt is trading his motorhome
for a capitalist pig warbird, so we won't have that, but we need
*something* at these events to call "home".
S&F and OSH are formation driven events, and that won't change. But
this association is changing and growing from a formation club to the
most inclusive association in the country.
Now, can we please stay on topic and stay positive. I'm simply trying
to get us to come up with ideas to help our numbers at OSH and S&F....
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Why not!The Ritz-Carlton Dearborn |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JGibson912@aol.com
the closest quality hotel i could find is The Ritz-Carlton Dearborn
we could stage in Dearborn and commute over the pond (Lake Michigan) to osh i
might have to stop a few times for fuel or maybe the concierge could arrange
a tanker for a mid air refueling you guys are killing me i own
several naa t-28 and t-2 buckeye and a 1995 yak-52 the yak movement has be
refreshing the people i have meet have been friendly and helpful (humble) as far
as i
am concerned this is the best and most energetic warbird movement in the
world, john
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 06/07/04 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeffrey Scanes <jdscanes@yahoo.com>
Dear Barry (Hancock),
Reading your modifications I notice that you mentioned solid state inverters. Does
this mean that you repalced the PT200 (rear inverter) with a solid state unit,
if so please advise where you can obtain these from.
Thanks
Jeff Scanes
N77YK
Brandywine a//p, PA
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Total Messages Posted Mon 06/07/04: 13
Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:44 AM - Re: Empty Weight (Ernie Martinez)
2. 05:06 AM - KGED (Daniel Fortin)
3. 06:03 AM - Re: KGED (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: KGED (Daniel Fortin)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: empty weight (Barry Hancock)
6. 08:54 AM - Re: KGED (Ron Davis)
7. 09:06 AM - Re: KGED (DaBear)
8. 09:33 AM - Columbus FAST Grounds School (Jeff Linebaugh)
9. 10:49 AM - BFM in FL (Ernie Martinez)
10. 11:09 AM - Re: KGED (Daniel Fortin)
11. 11:42 AM - Re: Re:Yak 52 CHT Inop (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
12. 01:37 PM - OSH Warbird Registration (MFilucci@aol.com)
13. 09:03 PM - Re: KGED (cjpilot710@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:44:43 AM PST US
From: "Ernie Martinez"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Empty Weight
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
Beware of your weight and balance, there was a series of airplanes that
were sold with zerox weight and balance sheets. Weigh your plane.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Di
Marco
Subject: Yak-List: Empty Weight
--> Yak-List message posted by: Michael Di Marco
I'm wondering if my empty weight is in line with what is "normal" for
the CJ-6A. Yakity Yaks lists it as 1900lbs and China Defence lists it
as 1095 kgs(2414 lbs). With the black boxes removed, I'm coming in at
2340 lbs. Normal or Not?
Mike Di Marco
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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:06:11 AM PST US
From: "Daniel Fortin"
Subject: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
Good morning Yakers,
Julie and I are attending the fly-in in KGED later this month, and are
looking for another pilot/GIB team to share a set of wheels. We will be
staying at the Knights Inn. Even if I love to party with the gang and kick
some buts a CRUD, I do not consume any alcohol, thus can be your built in
safety net. Let me know.
Dan Fortin
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 06:03:01 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
fougapilot@hotmail.com writes:
> Good morning Yakers,
>
> Julie and I are attending the fly-in in KGED later this month, and are
> looking for another pilot/GIB team to share a set of wheels. We will be
> staying at the Knights Inn. Even if I love to party with the gang and kick
> some buts a CRUD, I do not consume any alcohol, thus can be your built in
> safety net. Let me know.
>
>
Geees Dan, until this moment I thought you were 'half cock' half the time!
You mean this is the "normal" you? :)
Jim Goolsby (on a computer somewhere in DE playing with my granddaughter)
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:02:06 AM PST US
From: "Daniel Fortin"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
I know, I know, I have a drinking problem... I dont drink enough... ;-)
>From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:09 EDT
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>fougapilot@hotmail.com writes:
>
>
> > Good morning Yakers,
> >
> > Julie and I are attending the fly-in in KGED later this month, and are
> > looking for another pilot/GIB team to share a set of wheels. We will be
> > staying at the Knights Inn. Even if I love to party with the gang and
>kick
> > some buts a CRUD, I do not consume any alcohol, thus can be your built
>in
> > safety net. Let me know.
> >
> >
>
>Geees Dan, until this moment I thought you were 'half cock' half the time!
>You mean this is the "normal" you? :)
>Jim Goolsby (on a computer somewhere in DE playing with my granddaughter)
>
>
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:21:44 AM PST US
From: Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Re: empty weight
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
On Jun 6, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Joe Howse
>
> My empty weight is 2262 including ballast.
>
> Joe
Hey Joe, how much heavier is the 400 hp engine compared to the 285?
As for 1900 empty weight...LOL. It was a nice sales tool back when
people didn't know any better.
Look at it this way. I have all new plumbing with AN fittings, all new
electrical, all new panels with lightweight gyros and solid state
inverters and the list goes on and on. I do have long range tanks for
74 gal. capacity, but that and the M14P were the *only* things that
added weight to the airplane. I even put my oxygen bottle in the
empennage for usable ballast. I have 21 lbs of ballast in the tail.
My empty weight...2206.
Now, if I could just find that secret compartment....
Barry
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 08:54:36 AM PST US
From: "Ron Davis"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
Is that DE. (near Maryland) or .DE (near Austria)?
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 09:06:32 AM PST US
From: "DaBear"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear"
Canadian and doesn't drink. Are you going to be allowed back into the
country after you leave?
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Fortin"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
>
> I know, I know, I have a drinking problem... I dont drink enough... ;-)
>
>
> >From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
> >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:09 EDT
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >
> >In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >fougapilot@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > Good morning Yakers,
> > >
> > > Julie and I are attending the fly-in in KGED later this month, and are
> > > looking for another pilot/GIB team to share a set of wheels. We will
be
> > > staying at the Knights Inn. Even if I love to party with the gang and
> >kick
> > > some buts a CRUD, I do not consume any alcohol, thus can be your built
> >in
> > > safety net. Let me know.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >Geees Dan, until this moment I thought you were 'half cock' half the
time!
> >You mean this is the "normal" you? :)
> >Jim Goolsby (on a computer somewhere in DE playing with my granddaughter)
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 09:33:09 AM PST US
From: Jeff Linebaugh
aapilot@adelphia.net, p.goswick@cox.net, P2DRIVER@compuserve.com,
david.petri@northcom.mil, yak52driver@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Columbus FAST Grounds School
aviatr@aol.com, cj6sly@cs.com, tcalloway@datatechnique.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jeff Linebaugh
Fellow Yakers,
We are having some trouble determining the number of people who plan to attend
the FAST Formation Ground School at the Columbus Nebraska Fly-in this week. (The
RPA event registration info does not show this.)
If you plan to attend the FAST Formation Ground School, would you please drop me
a line, or give me a call. We need a head count...we want to have a training
manual prepared for you ahead of time.
Also, please note that the Ground School has been pushed back to Thursday morning
June 10th, to follow immediately after the morning safety briefing (to allow
more people to attend!)
Thanks for your help.
Jeff Linebaugh
RPA Training
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
901 850-8776
901 606-6735 cell
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:49:48 AM PST US
From: "Ernie Martinez"
Subject: Yak-List: BFM in FL
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
Well haven't had a chance to say much lately, been busy.
We had a great time at our 1st Leeward Air Ranch invitational BFM
clinic. Had a blast, turns out our 2 IP's were squadron mates in the Air
force while they were both T-38 instructors, so the instruction from
the 2 of them was extremely consistent and excellent overall. We got to
do Tac formation including weaves, shackles, tactical rejoins (regular
rejoins are just damn boring now), check turns, defensive turns, barrel
rolls, hi yo, and lo yo.
Really cool stuff. Realizing the potential of the CJ was a real eye
opener for me. They were able to get me ill once ( I didn't puke, but I
sure felt like it) Nice going Rich :-).
One thing for sure, I need to build up G tolerance.
Lets do it again soon.
Ernie
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 11:09:45 AM PST US
From: "Daniel Fortin"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
With the amount of $$ in taxes I pay every year, the will welcome me back...
>From: "DaBear"
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To:
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 12:05:50 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "DaBear"
>
>Canadian and doesn't drink. Are you going to be allowed back into the
>country after you leave?
>
>Al
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Daniel Fortin"
>To:
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin"
> >
> > I know, I know, I have a drinking problem... I dont drink enough... ;-)
> >
> >
> > >From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
> > >Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:02:09 EDT
> > >
> > >--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> > >
> > >In a message dated 6/7/2004 8:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >fougapilot@hotmail.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Good morning Yakers,
> > > >
> > > > Julie and I are attending the fly-in in KGED later this month, and
>are
> > > > looking for another pilot/GIB team to share a set of wheels. We
>will
>be
> > > > staying at the Knights Inn. Even if I love to party with the gang
>and
> > >kick
> > > > some buts a CRUD, I do not consume any alcohol, thus can be your
>built
> > >in
> > > > safety net. Let me know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >Geees Dan, until this moment I thought you were 'half cock' half the
>time!
> > >You mean this is the "normal" you? :)
> > >Jim Goolsby (on a computer somewhere in DE playing with my
>granddaughter)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 11:42:58 AM PST US
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re:Yak 52 CHT Inop
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
Just to concur with Dennis..... everytime I have had to fix symtoms of this
type it has been at the thermister..... as he said, unwrap the cover and you
will find two "terminals" that are connected to the normal aircraft wiring
with set screws. They come loose, and they also corrode.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:adsavar@gte.net]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re:Yak 52 CHT Inop
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
Have you swapped the CHT gauge from the rear cockpit to the front? If you
haven't, try that first to be sure it isn't the instrument that failed. If
the problem remains with the front instrument, also take the cannon plug
apart and check for cold solder joints or broken wires. At the spark plug
end, it is a very simple mechanism. Much like a thermistor of some kind.
There is about a 4-5" lead that actually screws together to the harness. Go
ahead and strip the wrapping from around the two CHT probes on the rear plug
of #4 cylinder and see what you find. You will need an Ohm meter to
determine which one goes the front. So you'll have to have someone in the
front cockpit to help. You can also swap the heat probes around too.
Let me know what you find.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: Re:Yak 52 CHT Inop
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>
> Greetings,
>
> My CHT has gone from intermittent to inop in the past year. I feel there
is
> a break in the lead at the plug but have not ventured farther than just a
> casual inspection. I want to remove the insulation check the wire but
want
> advice prior to surgery.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Phil Salter
> N2504U
>
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 01:37:48 PM PST US
From: MFilucci@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: OSH Warbird Registration
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
Intrepid Aviators bound for OSH,
Here is the online preregistration site for EAA Airventure 2004 warbirds.
The deadline is July 12.
One thing to beware of -- when you have completed the online registration
form and you get to the bottom of the page just above the "Submit" button, it
will ask you to download the Waiver form -- do not download the form until
after you click on the submit button, otherwise it may dump your entire
registration and you will have to start from scratch. Been there, done that.
See you there, Mike
_https://secure.eaa.org/warbirds/av_aircraftregistration.html_
(https://secure.eaa.org/warbirds/av_aircraftregistration.html)
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 09:03:02 PM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: KGED
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 6/7/2004 11:55:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
l39parts@hotmail.com writes:
> Is that DE. (near Maryland) or .DE (near Austria)?
>
>
DE. USA. In Wilmington actually.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
I just may do that, will have to fly up commercial though. What kinda
beer do you drink?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
Ernie,
I will be staying in warbird camping and enjoying the show. Come on down
and bring many six packs.
Gus
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
>of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
>means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
>devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays
en-route.
>Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
>that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
>enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away
in
>order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
>away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
>staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
>airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
>the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
>some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
>got to fly in and STAY there.
>
>2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
>the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
>isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
>fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
>thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
>
>Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
>together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
>sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
>EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
>defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
>
>This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
>and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
>Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
>there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
>guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
>planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
>at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
>felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
>
>Ernie
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>Gang,
>
>I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
>about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
>
>We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
>country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
>like we should.
>
>I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
>right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
>together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
>the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
>associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
>show...if we just show up!
>
>So....
>
>1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
>
>2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
>
>
>B
>
>
>==
>==
>==
>==
>
>
==
==
==
==
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
It just needs to be beer color and contain alcohol, apart from that I'm not
picky.
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:30:22 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>I just may do that, will have to fly up commercial though. What kinda
>beer do you drink?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>Ernie,
>I will be staying in warbird camping and enjoying the show. Come on down
>
>and bring many six packs.
>
>Gus
>___
>N52EK
>It's a Russian thing
>
>...... Original Message .......
>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
><ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
><ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>
>>1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
>>of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
>>means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
>>devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays
>en-route.
>>Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
>>that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
>>enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away
>in
>>order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
>>away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
>>staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
>>airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
>>the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
>>some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
>>got to fly in and STAY there.
>>
>>2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
>>the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
>>isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
>>fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
>>thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
>>
>>Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
>>together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
>>sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
>>EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
>>defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
>>
>>This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
>>and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
>>Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
>>there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
>>guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
>>planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
>>at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
>>felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
>>
>>Ernie
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
>>about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
>>
>>We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
>>country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
>>like we should.
>>
>>I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
>>right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
>>together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
>>the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
>>associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
>>show...if we just show up!
>>
>>So....
>>
>>1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
>>
>>2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
>>
>>
>>B
>>
>>
>>==
>>==
>>==
>>==
>>
>>
>
>
>==
>==
>==
>==
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bryan Coppersmith <bryan@yaknz.com>
Hi all
I am still trying to find a solution to my frozen gyro compass problem.
After reassembling my Yak 52 I test flew it for about 5-6 hours with
the gyro compasses working beautifully. Then they froze - front and
rear and haven't moved since. The master unit on the left behind the
rear seat is still working fine and indicating the correct magnetic
heading. We appear to have a signal getting to the gyros but they have
not moved since they first froze. When switching them on with No 8
switch in the front cockpit we can hear the load going on the inverter
so there is power being drawn - but is it getting to the gyros??? I
have swapped out the control box on the front right console but no
change.
Any help would be appreciated before we start down the track of pulling
apart connectors and wiring.
Bryan
________________
Bryan Coppersmith
Tel: 647 8649020
Fax: 647 8649087
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers, Barry;
I have my own reasons for not making Oshkosh as often as I'd like. Don't
get me wrong...I'd love to go every year but it's more of a special
occasion for me. For one, I work for a living. A long trip like that
from California would take some time. If I lived nearer it wouldn't be
so big of an issue. I have little vacation time off from work so it is a
precious commodity for me that I use for more practical or higher
priority items.
I've given some thought to what it takes to attend Oshkosh as a result
of these postings and it really comes down to having the time to do it.
I'm going for Reno this year so that is taking some of my precious
vacation time. The desire is there, the time isn't.
Frank
N911OM
YAK-52
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernie Martinez
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
--> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays en-route.
Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away in
order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
got to fly in and STAY there.
2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
like we should.
I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
show...if we just show up!
So....
1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Well hell, that describes my urine.
Ernie
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
It just needs to be beer color and contain alcohol, apart from that I'm
not
picky.
___
N52EK
It's a Russian thing
...... Original Message .......
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 18:30:22 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
<ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>
>I just may do that, will have to fly up commercial though. What kinda
>beer do you drink?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gus Fraser
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Gus Fraser <fraseg@comcast.net>
>
>Ernie,
>I will be staying in warbird camping and enjoying the show. Come on
down
>
>and bring many six packs.
>
>Gus
>___
>N52EK
>It's a Russian thing
>
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>On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:19:33 -0400 "Ernie Martinez"
><ernest.martinez@oracle.com> wrote:
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
><ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
>>
>>1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
>>of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
>>means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
>>devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays
>en-route.
>>Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me
is
>>that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
>>enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away
>in
>>order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire
week
>>away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
>>staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
>>airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun,
all
>>the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
>>some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
>>got to fly in and STAY there.
>>
>>2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
>>the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
>>isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
>>fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
>>thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
>>
>>Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
>>together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
>>sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
>>EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
>>defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
>>
>>This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step
back
>>and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
>>Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
>>there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
>>guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
>>planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
>>at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
>>felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
>>
>>Ernie
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry
Hancock
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>>
>>Gang,
>>
>>I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
>>about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
>>
>>We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
>>country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
>>like we should.
>>
>>I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
>>right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
>>together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
>>the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
>>associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
>>show...if we just show up!
>>
>>So....
>>
>>1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
>>
>>2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
>>
>>
>>B
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez" <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
Given a choice between Reno and OSH, I would take OSH any day, went to
Reno for the first time last year... was about as exciting as watching
grass grow.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Oshkosh Trip
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers, Barry;
I have my own reasons for not making Oshkosh as often as I'd like. Don't
get me wrong...I'd love to go every year but it's more of a special
occasion for me. For one, I work for a living. A long trip like that
from California would take some time. If I lived nearer it wouldn't be
so big of an issue. I have little vacation time off from work so it is a
precious commodity for me that I use for more practical or higher
priority items.
I've given some thought to what it takes to attend Oshkosh as a result
of these postings and it really comes down to having the time to do it.
I'm going for Reno this year so that is taking some of my precious
vacation time. The desire is there, the time isn't.
Frank
N911OM
YAK-52
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernie Martinez
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ernie Martinez"
--> <ernest.martinez@oracle.com>
1) Bottom line is, many of us work, it's a really long flight for many
of us, and its smack dab in the middle of thunderstorm season, which
means in order for me to show up there and stay a week, I'd have to
devote 2 weeks to this effort in order to allow weather delays en-route.
Also fuel cost may be another deciding factor. Another biggie for me is
that if I go to OSH, I really want to go to OSH, and see the sites and
enjoy the event, same with S&F. But RPA insists on staging miles away in
order to do formation flying, which means that we spend the entire week
away from the very event we came to see. I know that next year, I'm
staying at S&F and residing locally. Staying miles away in some crappy
airport, and sleeping in some flea bag motel is not my idea of fun, all
the while missing all the action at the event. Have formation clinics
some other time. OSH and S&F would be a lot more interesting if we all
got to fly in and STAY there.
2) Take money out of our treasury and buy us all 1st class tickets to
the event and hire ferry pilots for our airplanes. This way weather
isn't a factor....or upgrade us all to Turbine power and pay for the
fuel.....or if we could just figure out that "Time Space Continuum"
thing we could all just beam ourselves there.
Why do we want to "Own The Show" anyway??? Isnt it enough to just get
together to have a good time, or are we in some sort of contest??? It
sounds as if we're hoping for the demise of the other clubs. We're all
EAA here, without the other guys we are weaker when it comes to
defending our right to own and fly ALL warbirds.
This club is getting way too narrow minded. I think we should step back
and decide what we are. Are we a formation club, or a warbird club.
Formation is fun, but its seems to be becoming the only focus here,
there are some members who don't want to fly formation. How about the
guys with the Acro planes and the guys with Jets, what have you got
planned for them? I keep hearing that we're all inclusive, but show up
at S&F with a non CJ or Yak 52 and your're pretty much on your own. I
felt like an outsider this year when I showed up with my L-29.
Ernie
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Why? Why not!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Gang,
I've just been talking to another member (TC) and it got me thinking
about Oshkosh, and WHY THE HECK WE DON'T SHOW BETTER there????
We are the fastest growing, most active warbird community in the
country, yet when it comes to the big events, we don't show in numbers
like we should.
I have my own ideas, but guys, let's banter this about...there are no
right or wrong answers here, but let's put our collective heads
together and see how we can get 30, 40, or 50 planes to OSH and give
the association the showing it *deserves*. Furthermore, the other
associations participation is dwindling and we really can own the
show...if we just show up!
So....
1) Why don't we have more participation at OSH?
2) What can we do to get 50 airplanes there?
B
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