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1. 12:24 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 10:18 AM - vermin (Jerry Painter)
3. 10:46 AM - Re: vermin (Cliff Umscheid)
4. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: vermin (mark williamson)
5. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: vermin (Dan Unger)
6. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: vermin (Ernest Martinez)
7. 12:22 PM - New Orleans (was: Vermin) (Brian Lloyd)
8. 12:54 PM - Re: New Orleans (was: Vermin) (Ernest Martinez)
9. 01:07 PM - Re: New Orleans (was: Vermin) (Ben Marsh)
10. 01:11 PM - Re: New Orleans (was: Vermin) (Roger Kemp)
11. 03:03 PM - Emailing: 5-7600 (Roger Kemp)
12. 03:43 PM - Hurricane damage to one of our own (A. Dennis Savarese)
13. 04:39 PM - Avgas and Mogas (Craig Payne)
14. 06:17 PM - Home soon. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
15. 06:27 PM - Re: Avgas and Mogas (Daniel Fortin)
16. 06:31 PM - donations (Terry)
17. 06:55 PM - Re: Home soon. (Ernest Martinez)
18. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: vermin (Cliff Umscheid)
19. 09:13 PM - Relief (Ernest Martinez)
20. 10:04 PM - Re: Home soon. (fish@aviation-tech.com)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> Yak-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Lister,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this list...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
So Jerry,
What's your point? And what's wrong with George Wallace and Pat
Robertson that isn't already wrong with Jesse Jackson --speaking of
"vermin"!!!
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:17:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Jerry
Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
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> I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this
> list...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
why don't all you assholes just shut up unless you have something to say about
yaks.
>From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>Date: Fri Sep 02 12:44:58 CDT 2005
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: vermin
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>
> So Jerry,
> What's your point? And what's wrong with George Wallace and Pat
>Robertson that isn't already wrong with Jesse Jackson --speaking of
>"vermin"!!!
>On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:17:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Jerry
>Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> writes:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
>> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>>
>> I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this
>> list...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Dan Unger <danunger@direcway.com>
I think this is a Rule 32 violation...
----- Original Message -----
From: "mark williamson" <yakk52@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Yak-List: vermin
> --> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> why don't all you assholes just shut up unless you have something to say
> about yaks.
>
>
>>From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>>Date: Fri Sep 02 12:44:58 CDT 2005
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Yak-List: vermin
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>>
>> So Jerry,
>> What's your point? And what's wrong with George Wallace and Pat
>>Robertson that isn't already wrong with Jesse Jackson --speaking of
>>"vermin"!!!
>>On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:17:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Jerry
>>Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> writes:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
>>> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
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>>> I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this
>>> list...
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Hmmm, I own a CJ, can I post here?
Ernie
On 9/2/05, Dan Unger <danunger@direcway.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dan Unger <danunger@direcway.com>
>
> I think this is a Rule 32 violation...
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark williamson" <yakk52@verizon.net>
> To: "Cliff Umscheid" <netmaster15@juno.com>; <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: Yak-List: vermin
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
> >
> > why don't all you assholes just shut up unless you have something to say
> > about yaks.
> >
> >
> >>From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
> >>Date: Fri Sep 02 12:44:58 CDT 2005
> >>To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: Yak-List: vermin
> >
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
> >>
> >> So Jerry,
> >> What's your point? And what's wrong with George Wallace and Pat
> >>Robertson that isn't already wrong with Jesse Jackson --speaking of
> >>"vermin"!!!
> >>On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:17:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Jerry
> >>Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> writes:
> >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
> >>> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> >>>
> >>> I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this
> >>> list...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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| Subject: | New Orleans (was: Vermin) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
OK, we have all seen some really ugly stuff on TV. There are people running
around who probably ought to be shot. Most of us don't like Jesse Jackson. We
aren't going to gain anything by continuing with that thread.
Can we move on?
On the positive side:
1. is anyone helping out with the relief effort? If so, how can other's assist?
2. Were any RPA folk affected adversely? If so, how can the rest of us help?
3. Does anyone need help in their community as a result of Katrina?
These seem like positive and useful questions to discuss.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: New Orleans (was: Vermin) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I sent my 100 buck to the Red Cross :) A lot of folks here do Angel Flights
and have been wanting to help, but I heard yesterday that the TSA has now
somehow gotten involved and people are pretty pissed off. I dont know how
true this is, since I'm hearing it from a friend of a friend.
Ernie
On 9/2/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> OK, we have all seen some really ugly stuff on TV. There are people
> running
> around who probably ought to be shot. Most of us don't like Jesse Jackson.
> We
> aren't going to gain anything by continuing with that thread.
>
> Can we move on?
>
> On the positive side:
>
> 1. is anyone helping out with the relief effort? If so, how can other's
> assist?
>
> 2. Were any RPA folk affected adversely? If so, how can the rest of us
> help?
>
> 3. Does anyone need help in their community as a result of Katrina?
>
> These seem like positive and useful questions to discuss.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | New Orleans (was: Vermin) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ben Marsh" <ben@designselect.net>
Gentle Yak & Cjers,
Can't we all just get along? This is supposed to be fun!
Ben
Model 52 & 55
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Orleans (was: Vermin)
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I sent my 100 buck to the Red Cross :) A lot of folks here do Angel Flights
and have been wanting to help, but I heard yesterday that the TSA has now
somehow gotten involved and people are pretty pissed off. I dont know how
true this is, since I'm hearing it from a friend of a friend.
Ernie
On 9/2/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> OK, we have all seen some really ugly stuff on TV. There are people
> running
> around who probably ought to be shot. Most of us don't like Jesse Jackson.
> We
> aren't going to gain anything by continuing with that thread.
>
> Can we move on?
>
> On the positive side:
>
> 1. is anyone helping out with the relief effort? If so, how can other's
> assist?
>
> 2. Were any RPA folk affected adversely? If so, how can the rest of us
> help?
>
> 3. Does anyone need help in their community as a result of Katrina?
>
> These seem like positive and useful questions to discuss.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New Orleans (was: Vermin) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I refer you to the AOPA website. There are a number of urls that you can
get answers from. As for the Gulf Coast Airspace. It is restricted to
humanitarian, law enforcement, and military flights. Second, there are no
sources of av gas on the coast from just west of Mobile to New Orleans. It
will require a PPO number to get into Gulfport/Biloxi and NO. I would
suggest you give your donations to your church, Salvation Army, and I
hesitate to say Red Cross. With the history that the Red Cross had during
911, one could only hope they have reformed. Time will tell on that.
Belieeve it or not, the AOPA site is pretty much on the money as far as I
can tell from I hear in my capacity in the Al Ang..
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/2/2005 3:01:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Orleans (was: Vermin)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I sent my 100 buck to the Red Cross :) A lot of folks here do Angel
Flights
> and have been wanting to help, but I heard yesterday that the TSA has now
> somehow gotten involved and people are pretty pissed off. I dont know how
> true this is, since I'm hearing it from a friend of a friend.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 9/2/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> > OK, we have all seen some really ugly stuff on TV. There are people
> > running
> > around who probably ought to be shot. Most of us don't like Jesse
Jackson.
> > We
> > aren't going to gain anything by continuing with that thread.
> >
> > Can we move on?
> >
> > On the positive side:
> >
> > 1. is anyone helping out with the relief effort? If so, how can other's
> > assist?
> >
> > 2. Were any RPA folk affected adversely? If so, how can the rest of us
> > help?
> >
> > 3. Does anyone need help in their community as a result of Katrina?
> >
> > These seem like positive and useful questions to discuss.
> >
> > --
> > Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> > brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >
> > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Emailing: 5-7600 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
To add to what I was saying about the Gulf Coast TFR, the following is a link to
the FAA Notam website. To operate in the airspace from NO to Mobile, you will
need to contact the FAA Recovery Desk @ 1.800.333.4286. They must be contacted
prior to entry in to the TFR. They will advise as to whether OMAH45 is working
the airspace and can give advisories. FSS @ Anniston, Al. 256.832.2120,
is the controlling FSS for this Airspace. The TFR exist from 5000ft down to the
surface. The bottomline is, they do not need sight seers down there right now.
Air Evac (mil and civ) needs to operate without our presance as civil aircraft.
Shortcut to: http://www.aopa.org/images/whatsnew/newsitems/2005/notams/5-7600.jpg
Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending
or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings
to determine how attachments are handled.
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | Hurricane damage to one of our own |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Well, Katrina did cause damage to one of our own. Roman Upshaw and Greg
Arnold own a Yak 52 which was damaged by the hurricane. The airplane was
hangered on the west side of Mobile, AL right on the AL-MS border. The
hanger is "gone" according to Roman. Right now, as far as I know, the
airplane needs two ailerons, complete upper and lower cowling and complete
prop. I think I can help him with the prop.
If anyone knows where Roman can get these much needed parts, please email me
off-list or telephone me at either of the numbers below. I'll be talking to
him tonight to get a more detailed description of the damage.
Thanks for your help.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 Office
334-546-8182 Mobile
www.yak-52.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Boy, remember the good old days (last month) when Mogas was cheaper than Avgas?
$3.42 @ SS for 100LL here at LAL. $3.45 for 93 across the street from the FBO.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Just two more days of flying the B-24J. Very busy this time out. It has been
every thing from 'scud running' though the "Finger Lakes", starting the Watkins
Glen NAS car race, to CAVU days finishing up here on Long Island, NY. Flew
near 30 hours in this 3 weeks. Lots of takeoff and landings, lots of vets to
talk to and lots of people to give history lessons to. (Did you know the B-24
actually had "sponcens" just aft of and below the cockpit that housed rockets
for surface attacks on subs? Live and learn!)
Looking forward to put new spar caps on my brother 'Air poop' and start working
on my CJ's rear cockpit, installing a new fuel flow computer, and seeing if I
can talk my wife into letting me buy an autopilot. (The judge in the UAL bankruptcies
hearings has not made a decision yet so I'm still getting my regular
retirement pay).
Hope all my RPA members are fairing OK from Ms K. I know I'm reevaluating my hurricane
preps. It will include shot gun shells for my 12 gage. :}
Home on the 4th.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Subject: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/22/05
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Total Messages Posted Mon 08/22/05: 5
Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:28 PM - Wilmington, NC (ByronMFox@aol.com)
2. 04:35 PM - Re: CO in cockpit (Phil Cogan)
3. 05:58 PM - OSH Photos? (Craig Payne)
4. 08:00 PM - Carbon monoxide poisoning (Frank Haertlein)
5. 08:15 PM - GPS deal (Frank Haertlein)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 03:28:03 PM PST US
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Wilmington, NC
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
Any Yakkers in the Wilmington, NC area? ...Blitz
Byron M. Fox
Mill Valley, CA
Nanchang CJ-6A
N221YK
415-307-2405
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:35:05 PM PST US
From: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
Here's my experience with cockpit CO levels.
Last Saturday we did a flyby for Rob Mortara's wedding. In the cockpit I had
the Lumidor MiniMax Pro CO detector. The alarm was set at 45ppm CO (safe
levels may be as high as 35 to 50 ppm according to OSHA). The alarm was
going for the entire 40 minute flight! Max levels were recording after
turning on the smoke system and reached 190ppm, almost 4 times the maximum
safe level!
We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or getting some
type of independent air system for when we fly.
Any suggestions?
Phil Cogan
admin@neraiders.org
N21740
CJ-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
I too have experienced CO in cockpit.
In my 52 returning from ARS 2004.
And don't bother buying a CO detector (IMHO, YMMV).
I bought an expensive detector with a digital readout of CO in PPM.
The readings were "redlined" all the time.
There is no question "if" we all have too much CO in cockpit, we do.
EXHAUST:
T-band clamps make for great clamps. Good looking, sturdy, inexpensive.
Try McMaster Carr or similar.
I experimented with the hi-temp exhaust wrap tape.
But I found it degraded over time. Perhaps there is a higher temp version
of this same product.
It did provide excellent sealing properties.
There is no one single cure to this dangerous problem.
Single exposure to very hi levels?
Repeated exposure to low levels (ARS, OSH type fly-ins).. .
The results are the same.
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 05:58:38 PM PST US
From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: OSH Photos?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
It's hard to fly the airshow and take pictures of our formations from the
ground...at
the same time. I'm still looking for photos taken this year as well as
any pics of the B-17 missing man formation. I need these for backgrounds upon
which to work my photo edit magic :)
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:00:26 PM PST US
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Carbon monoxide poisoning
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Phil
I don't want to sound alarmist here but I decided to take steps to reduce
exhaust fumes coming in my 52 after I noticed my voice getting hoarse soon
after flying. I live out north of Edwards AFB so anyone who knows the area
also knows there's good flying here almost year round. I do ALLOT of flying
because of it (almost every weekend and weekdays off and on). It's at the
point where I even stopped using MMO until I figure out a way to seal the
fuselage. I think it was Mark who warned about using toxic oils for smoke or
even in your fuel. Look at this post as a warning to not use 2 stroke oils
or any other toxic oils in your fuel or smoke system.
My last posting to the list was to ask Doc if he knew of what one might
physically experience with prolonged contact to carbon monoxide. Someone
mentioned a euphoric feeling but I don't buy that because I get that just
from flying :) But there have been occasions during our $100 hamburger
flights were I thought I might have gotten food poisoning. Now I'm starting
to think it may have been carbon monoxide.
In efforts to seal the cockpit my next step is going to entail making little
"booties" that seal up the aileron control rods and the flap operating rods
where they exit the fuselage. Anyone happen to make these or sell them?
Best Regards
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 08:15:40 PM PST US
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: GPS deal
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Though some of you might be looking for a deal on a NEW Garmin 295 GPS. Gulf
Coast is selling em' for only $649. That's a far cry from the almost $1400 I
paid when they first came out.
Here's the link http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id=3934
Regards
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
I feel your paine my friend, just paid $1.39/liter for Mogas and paid $1.20
for 100LL yesterday. Mmmmm I wonder if my GM could run on cheap Avgass.....
>From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Avgas and Mogas
>Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:39:09 -0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>Boy, remember the good old days (last month) when Mogas was cheaper than
>Avgas?
>
>$3.42 @ SS for 100LL here at LAL. $3.45 for 93 across the street from the
>FBO.
>
>
>Craig Payne
>cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
The only organization that I will donate to is the Salvation Army. You learn this
from growing up in or around a military base, This organization helps with
no request for money up front. They just get the job done!
I found this site on google. salvationarmyusa.org
Terry Lewis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Jim,
Trim your responses!!!!!
Ernie
On 9/2/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
> Just two more days of flying the B-24J. Very busy this time out. It has
> been every thing from 'scud running' though the "Finger Lakes", starting the
> Watkins
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
So Mark,
What does your comment about "all you assholes just shut up"have to do
with YAKs? For a guy who needs a training wheel up front to keep it
straight you sure are cocky. Is that YAK enough for you?
On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 13:44:49 -0500 (CDT) mark williamson
<yakk52@verizon.net> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: mark williamson <yakk52@verizon.net>
>
> why don't all you assholes just shut up unless you have something to
> say about yaks.
>
>
> >From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
> >Date: Fri Sep 02 12:44:58 CDT 2005
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: vermin
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid
> <netmaster15@juno.com>
> >
> > So Jerry,
> > What's your point? And what's wrong with George Wallace and
> Pat
> >Robertson that isn't already wrong with Jesse Jackson --speaking
> of
> >"vermin"!!!
> >On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 10:17:57 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) "Jerry
> >Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> writes:
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter"
> >> <wild.blue@verizon.net>
> >>
> >> I didn't know George Wallace and Pat Robertson subscribed to this
>
> >> list...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I've been glued to my TV for 5 days now 20 hours a day. The images that I
have witnessed have made me shake my head to remind me that I'm not watching
news about Haiti, or Sudan, or Somalia, but our own damn country. I'm cant
stand it any more and have to do something.
We southern pilots have one comodity, knowledge, talent and a means to make
a difference. Even if we cant carry much in our CJ's and Yaks, a lot of us
own spam cans. I intend tomorrow to plead with my neigbors here in Fl, to
organize with their local Red Corss and Salvation Army chapters, to see if
we can at least be used as transpotrs of supplies to local staging points in
the affected areas. There are lots of folks here with spam cans that can
carry several hundred pounds of supply's to local airports that are not TFR
restricted to our flights. The Feds are clueless at this point, its up to us
to stand up to the plate. Lets get invloved, if only to inform others.
I appeal to all you guys out there to do the same. We can make a difference,
just ask your local Red Cross, Salvation Army or other community group where
you can pick up items needed by these most unfortunate folks. I dont have a
plan per se' but I know that we can all make a difference, use your
imagination!!!! If you do have more organzational skills than I than please
contribute to the group, this is no time to be a lurker!!!.
Sincerest Thanks
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Papy,
I do not know about the B-24, But I have the original test report with JATO
on the B-29 conducted a Muroc Army Air Station (Edwards AFB) in 1945.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
California City, CA
Yak-52, N123YA
>--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>Just two more days of flying the B-24J. Very busy this time out. It has been
every thing from 'scud running' though the "Finger Lakes", starting the Watkins
Glen NAS car race, to CAVU days finishing up here on Long Island, NY. Flew
near 30 hours in this 3 weeks. Lots of takeoff and landings, lots of vets to
talk to and lots of people to give history lessons to. (Did you know the B-24
actually had "sponcens" just aft of and below the cockpit that housed rockets
for surface attacks on subs? Live and le
>
>Looking forward to put new spar caps on my brother 'Air poop' and start working
on my CJ's rear cockpit, installing a new fuel flow computer, and seeing if
I can talk my wife into letting me buy an autopilot. (The judge in the UAL
bankruptcies hearings has not made a decision yet so I'm still getting my regular
retirement pay).
>
>Hope all my RPA members are fairing OK from Ms K. I know I'm reevaluating
my hurricane preps. It will include shot gun shells for my 12 gage. :}
>
>Home on the 4th.
>
>Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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> 1. 03:28 PM - Wilmington, NC (ByronMFox@aol.com)
> 2. 04:35 PM - Re: CO in cockpit (Phil Cogan)
> 3. 05:58 PM - OSH Photos? (Craig Payne)
> 4. 08:00 PM - Carbon monoxide poisoning (Frank Haertlein)
> 5. 08:15 PM - GPS deal (Frank Haertlein)
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>________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 03:28:03 PM PST US
>From: ByronMFox@aol.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Wilmington, NC
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
>
>Any Yakkers in the Wilmington, NC area? ...Blitz
>
>Byron M. Fox
>Mill Valley, CA
>Nanchang CJ-6A
>N221YK
>415-307-2405
>
>
>________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 04:35:05 PM PST US
>From: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
>
>Here's my experience with cockpit CO levels.
>
>Last Saturday we did a flyby for Rob Mortara's wedding. In the cockpit I had
>the Lumidor MiniMax Pro CO detector. The alarm was set at 45ppm CO (safe
>levels may be as high as 35 to 50 ppm according to OSHA). The alarm was
>going for the entire 40 minute flight! Max levels were recording after
>turning on the smoke system and reached 190ppm, almost 4 times the maximum
>safe level!
>
>We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or getting some
>type of independent air system for when we fly.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Phil Cogan
>admin@neraiders.org
>N21740
>CJ-6A
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
>Subject: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
>I too have experienced CO in cockpit.
>In my 52 returning from ARS 2004.
>
>And don't bother buying a CO detector (IMHO, YMMV).
>I bought an expensive detector with a digital readout of CO in PPM.
>The readings were "redlined" all the time.
>
>There is no question "if" we all have too much CO in cockpit, we do.
>
>EXHAUST:
>T-band clamps make for great clamps. Good looking, sturdy, inexpensive.
>Try McMaster Carr or similar.
>
>I experimented with the hi-temp exhaust wrap tape.
>But I found it degraded over time. Perhaps there is a higher temp version
>of this same product.
>It did provide excellent sealing properties.
>
>There is no one single cure to this dangerous problem.
>Single exposure to very hi levels?
>Repeated exposure to low levels (ARS, OSH type fly-ins).. .
>The results are the same.
>
>---------------------------
>Thomas Johnson
>Airpower Insurance, LLC
>36 West Ocotillo Road
>Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
>Tel: 602-628-2701
>Fax: 623-321-5843
>E: tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
>________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 05:58:38 PM PST US
>From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: OSH Photos?
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>It's hard to fly the airshow and take pictures of our formations from the
>ground...at
>the same time. I'm still looking for photos taken this year as well as
>any pics of the B-17 missing man formation. I need these for backgrounds upon
>which to work my photo edit magic :)
>
>
>Craig Payne
>cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 08:00:26 PM PST US
>From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Yak-List: Carbon monoxide poisoning
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>Phil
>
>I don't want to sound alarmist here but I decided to take steps to reduce
>exhaust fumes coming in my 52 after I noticed my voice getting hoarse soon
>after flying. I live out north of Edwards AFB so anyone who knows the area
>also knows there's good flying here almost year round. I do ALLOT of flying
>because of it (almost every weekend and weekdays off and on). It's at the
>point where I even stopped using MMO until I figure out a way to seal the
>fuselage. I think it was Mark who warned about using toxic oils for smoke or
>even in your fuel. Look at this post as a warning to not use 2 stroke oils
>or any other toxic oils in your fuel or smoke system.
>
>My last posting to the list was to ask Doc if he knew of what one might
>physically experience with prolonged contact to carbon monoxide. Someone
>mentioned a euphoric feeling but I don't buy that because I get that just
>from flying :) But there have been occasions during our $100 hamburger
>flights were I thought I might have gotten food poisoning. Now I'm starting
>to think it may have been carbon monoxide.
>
>In efforts to seal the cockpit my next step is going to entail making little
>"booties" that seal up the aileron control rods and the flap operating rods
>where they exit the fuselage. Anyone happen to make these or sell them?
>
>Best Regards
>Frank
>N9110M
>YAK-52
>L71
>
>
>________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 08:15:40 PM PST US
>From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>Subject: Yak-List: GPS deal
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
>Though some of you might be looking for a deal on a NEW Garmin 295 GPS. Gulf
>Coast is selling em' for only $649. That's a far cry from the almost $1400
I
>paid when they first came out.
>
>Here's the link http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail.asp?id=3934
>
>Regards
>Frank
>N9110M
>YAK-52
>L71
>
>
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