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1. 06:47 AM - Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help (Ron Spencer)
2. 07:13 AM - CO gas in CJ-6 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 09:46 AM - Re: Tom Johnson (n4829t@aol.com)
4. 10:38 AM - Re: Tom Johnson (ANDREWS)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: Tom Johnson (Scott Kirk)
6. 10:45 AM - Re: CO gas in CJ-6 (Roger Kemp)
7. 11:02 AM - Need Contact Info for Hayes (Jim Martyn)
8. 11:07 AM - Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes (st.ellison@comcast.net)
9. 12:00 PM - Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes (Roger Kemp)
10. 12:38 PM - Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes (Doug Sapp)
11. 01:04 PM - Did someone say mags (Graeme Frew)
12. 02:50 PM - Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes (Roger Kemp)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/27/05 (gena perevedentsev)
14. 04:15 PM - Re: Did someone say mags (Rick Basiliere)
15. 04:18 PM - HS6A MAGS (JOE)
16. 05:01 PM - Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes (Walter Lannon)
17. 06:12 PM - Magnetos (Walter Lannon)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: CO gas in CJ-6 (Rob Mortara)
19. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/27/05 (Ron Spencer)
20. 07:15 PM - Re: CO gas in CJ-6 + mags (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
21. 07:23 PM - Re: Magnetos (Roger Kemp)
22. 08:04 PM - Chinese mags (JOE)
23. 09:44 PM - Need Tires (Frank Haertlein)
24. 09:50 PM - Re: Need Tires (ggg6@att.net)
25. 10:07 PM - Re: Need Tires (Frank Haertlein)
26. 11:41 PM - Re: Need Tires (ggg6@att.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Thanks Royden!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
>
> Hello Ron,
>
> Many locations within the system can be the culprit. On my 55M it first
> was
> the air pressure gauge internals. I got that fixed by replacing the gauge,
> then it seems I over tightened the gauge to airline fitting and that
> became
> a point of leakage. I have a Swagelock air pressure relief valve that
> replaces the Rusian blow off valve. That is also a source of leakage when
> the valve gets gummed up or does not seat properly. That is fixed with a
> teardown and clean-up; all too frequently.
>
> I have also had to teardown and cleanup the not return valve as it was not
> seating properly after getting gummed up. That was another source of
> leakage.
>
> My attempts to locate these leakage points were unsuccessful with soapy
> water.
>
> It would try all these areas before going after the starter solenoid as
> they
> are easier to get at and cost nothing.
>
> Regards,
> Royden
> C-GRED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
> --> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the air system pressure,
> (unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as soon as the
> compressor
> is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10 psi each 20-30 sec.
> After
>
> soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried isolating parts of
> the
> system.
>
> It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not fully seated or
> closing,
> thus allowing air to escape.
>
> My two questions are this...
>
> My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to dis-assemble the "top part"
> or
> "stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
> He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring, leather ring at base, which
> bolts into the valve block. He is specifically interested in the coil
> which
>
> piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a maint type I can only
> relay!
>
> The second question is...where can I buy a complete new starter solenoid
> valve?
>
> Thanks in advance, -rs-
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Yesterday I did two test flight for CO in the cockpit. I used a nice
$100.00 detector (impulsepro) I brought off E-bay. Its a nice unit and thank
you
to the lister who recommended it.
I did two flights and since the reading are not really consistent, I plan to
do more.
But here are just few of the data points I got so far.
(co=cockpit open cc=cockpit close and
ck= cockpit cracked or open to first notch)
Engine Idle (no wind)
co= 6 cc= 9 ck= --
100kt climb
co=17 cc=28 ck=19
100kt level
co=24 cc=22 ck=41
120kt level
co=13 cc=29 ck=26
130kt level
co=18 cc=39 ck=32
140kt level
co=23 cc=35 ck=31
70kt slow flight
co=53 cc=67 ck=91
80kt gear down level flt.
co=38 cc=54 ck=64
80kts flaps down level flt.
co=28 cc=36 ck=52
80kt gear&flaps level flt.
co=22 cc=36 ck=38
note 1: co=34ppm when taxing with quartering tail wind & canopy open.
note 2: co=117 when front air vent was closed at cruise air speeds.
note 3; Reading were taken a pilot nose level. Some sample readings taken
nearer cockpit floor were almost twice as high.
It was fun setting up the flight test card and than trying to fly it. I was
attempting to collect 57 readings (3 readings per 19 different flight
configurations). This is why I need to do more test flights. I found that just
a
slight yaw movement will change the readings while in a flight configuration.
Also the position in the cockpit effected what the reading would be. That
is why I started taking reading right near my nose.
Also I found that the sequence of going from one configuration to the next
would effect the readings. I ended up by going to the next flight
configurations with the cockpit open, stabilize, than take an average reading
for the
cockpit for the "cockpit open" point. I would than close the cockpit, wait to
let the meter stabilize than take an average reading. I would than open the
cockpit to the notch, let the meter readings stabilize, take a reading. I
would than open the cockpit all the way and go to the next flight configuration.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:Tom Johnson |
--> Yak-List message posted by: n4829t@aol.com
....Anybody have Tom Johnsons new phone number?
Regards,
Jim "launch Pad" Plumlee
-----Original Message-----
From: Royden Heays <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Hello Ron,
Many locations within the system can be the culprit. On my 55M it first was
the air pressure gauge internals. I got that fixed by replacing the gauge,
then it seems I over tightened the gauge to airline fitting and that became
a point of leakage. I have a Swagelock air pressure relief valve that
replaces the Rusian blow off valve. That is also a source of leakage when
the valve gets gummed up or does not seat properly. That is fixed with a
teardown and clean-up; all too frequently.
I have also had to teardown and cleanup the not return valve as it was not
seating properly after getting gummed up. That was another source of
leakage.
My attempts to locate these leakage points were unsuccessful with soapy
water.
It would try all these areas before going after the starter solenoid as they
are easier to get at and cost nothing.
Regards,
Royden
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
--> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the air system pressure,
(unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as soon as the compressor
is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10 psi each 20-30 sec. After
soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried isolating parts of the
system.
It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not fully seated or closing,
thus allowing air to escape.
My two questions are this...
My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to dis-assemble the "top part" or
"stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring, leather ring at base, which
bolts into the valve block. He is specifically interested in the coil which
piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a maint type I can only
relay!
The second question is...where can I buy a complete new starter solenoid
valve?
Thanks in advance, -rs-
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:Tom Johnson |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Call Tom at
Airpower Insurance,LLC (602) 628-2701
----- Original Message -----
From: <n4829t@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List:Tom Johnson
> --> Yak-List message posted by: n4829t@aol.com
>
> ....Anybody have Tom Johnsons new phone number?
>
> Regards,
> Jim "launch Pad" Plumlee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Royden Heays <heaysr@telus.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
>
> Hello Ron,
>
> Many locations within the system can be the culprit. On my 55M it first
> was
> the air pressure gauge internals. I got that fixed by replacing the gauge,
> then it seems I over tightened the gauge to airline fitting and that
> became
> a point of leakage. I have a Swagelock air pressure relief valve that
> replaces the Rusian blow off valve. That is also a source of leakage when
> the valve gets gummed up or does not seat properly. That is fixed with a
> teardown and clean-up; all too frequently.
>
> I have also had to teardown and cleanup the not return valve as it was not
> seating properly after getting gummed up. That was another source of
> leakage.
>
> My attempts to locate these leakage points were unsuccessful with soapy
> water.
>
> It would try all these areas before going after the starter solenoid as
> they
> are easier to get at and cost nothing.
>
> Regards,
> Royden
> C-GRED
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
> --> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the air system pressure,
> (unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as soon as the
> compressor
> is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10 psi each 20-30 sec.
> After
>
> soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried isolating parts of
> the
> system.
>
> It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not fully seated or
> closing,
> thus allowing air to escape.
>
> My two questions are this...
>
> My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to dis-assemble the "top part"
> or
> "stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
> He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring, leather ring at base, which
> bolts into the valve block. He is specifically interested in the coil
> which
>
> piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a maint type I can only
> relay!
>
> The second question is...where can I buy a complete new starter solenoid
> valve?
>
> Thanks in advance, -rs-
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:Tom Johnson |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Jim,
Try www.airpowerinsurance.com
or
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
Regards,
Scott Kirk
----Original Message Follows----
From: n4829t@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List:Tom Johnson
--> Yak-List message posted by: n4829t@aol.com
....Anybody have Tom Johnsons new phone number?
Regards,
Jim "launch Pad" Plumlee
-----Original Message-----
From: Royden Heays <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Hello Ron,
Many locations within the system can be the culprit. On my 55M it first was
the air pressure gauge internals. I got that fixed by replacing the gauge,
then it seems I over tightened the gauge to airline fitting and that became
a point of leakage. I have a Swagelock air pressure relief valve that
replaces the Rusian blow off valve. That is also a source of leakage when
the valve gets gummed up or does not seat properly. That is fixed with a
teardown and clean-up; all too frequently.
I have also had to teardown and cleanup the not return valve as it was not
seating properly after getting gummed up. That was another source of
leakage.
My attempts to locate these leakage points were unsuccessful with soapy
water.
It would try all these areas before going after the starter solenoid as they
are easier to get at and cost nothing.
Regards,
Royden
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
--> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the air system pressure,
(unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as soon as the compressor
is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10 psi each 20-30 sec. After
soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried isolating parts of the
system.
It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not fully seated or closing,
thus allowing air to escape.
My two questions are this...
My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to dis-assemble the "top part" or
"stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring, leather ring at base, which
bolts into the valve block. He is specifically interested in the coil which
piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a maint type I can only
relay!
The second question is...where can I buy a complete new starter solenoid
valve?
Thanks in advance, -rs-
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
And now we have the rest of the story. That funky mask insert from Whiff's
maybe a life saver if we are going to fly multiple sorties. That is until a
practical scrubber can be made. They are cheap but supid looking.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/28/2005 9:13:45 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: CO gas in CJ-6
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
> Yesterday I did two test flight for CO in the cockpit. I used a nice
> $100.00 detector (impulsepro) I brought off E-bay. Its a nice unit and
thank you
> to the lister who recommended it.
>
> I did two flights and since the reading are not really consistent, I plan
to
> do more.
> But here are just few of the data points I got so far.
> (co=cockpit open cc=cockpit close and
> ck= cockpit cracked or open to first notch)
>
> Engine Idle (no wind)
> co= 6 cc= 9 ck= --
> 100kt climb
> co=17 cc=28 ck=19
> 100kt level
> co=24 cc=22 ck=41
> 120kt level
> co=13 cc=29 ck=26
> 130kt level
> co=18 cc=39 ck=32
> 140kt level
> co=23 cc=35 ck=31
> 70kt slow flight
> co=53 cc=67 ck=91
> 80kt gear down level flt.
> co=38 cc=54 ck=64
> 80kts flaps down level flt.
> co=28 cc=36 ck=52
> 80kt gear&flaps level flt.
> co=22 cc=36 ck=38
>
> note 1: co=34ppm when taxing with quartering tail wind & canopy open.
> note 2: co=117 when front air vent was closed at cruise air speeds.
> note 3; Reading were taken a pilot nose level. Some sample readings
taken
> nearer cockpit floor were almost twice as high.
>
> It was fun setting up the flight test card and than trying to fly it. I
was
> attempting to collect 57 readings (3 readings per 19 different flight
> configurations). This is why I need to do more test flights. I found
that just a
> slight yaw movement will change the readings while in a flight
configuration.
> Also the position in the cockpit effected what the reading would be.
That
> is why I started taking reading right near my nose.
>
> Also I found that the sequence of going from one configuration to the
next
> would effect the readings. I ended up by going to the next flight
> configurations with the cockpit open, stabilize, than take an average
reading for the
> cockpit for the "cockpit open" point. I would than close the cockpit,
wait to
> let the meter stabilize than take an average reading. I would than open
the
> cockpit to the notch, let the meter readings stabilize, take a reading.
I
> would than open the cockpit all the way and go to the next flight
configuration.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Contact Info for Hayes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?). I
seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
Thanks!
Jim Martyn
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| Subject: | Re: Need Contact Info for Hayes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: st.ellison@comcast.net
jill@m-14p.com
-------------- Original message --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn"
>
> Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?). I
> seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
>
> Thanks!
> Jim Martyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
jill@m-14p.com
-------------- Original message --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <VERTIGO@WHIDBEY.NET>
Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?). I
seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
Thanks!
Jim Martyn
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| Subject: | Need Contact Info for Hayes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Did they not move from San Diego to Nevada? The last # I have on them is:
858-292-7222.
Good luck with the magneto thing. The last one I bought from them was
$1094.00. Since coming to America, seems the YAK has discovered the
Capitalist Pigs way of doing everything. Just charge a $1000 for anything
if they own an airplane, boat, an SUV or house (in any of the above said
combinations). They can afford it. By the way I bought two mags from them.
The set they sent me from Lithuania was for a TW with its centripal
advance.We ended up using the coil out of it for someone else.
I know....TMFI!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Martyn <vertigo@whidbey.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/28/2005 1:02:12 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
>
> Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?).
I
> seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
>
> Thanks!
> Jim Martyn
>
>
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| Subject: | Need Contact Info for Hayes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
A note to all: The HS6A mag works well on the M14P. I believe Craig Payne
run them.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Did they not move from San Diego to Nevada? The last # I have on them is:
858-292-7222.
Good luck with the magneto thing. The last one I bought from them was
$1094.00. Since coming to America, seems the YAK has discovered the
Capitalist Pigs way of doing everything. Just charge a $1000 for anything
if they own an airplane, boat, an SUV or house (in any of the above said
combinations). They can afford it. By the way I bought two mags from them.
The set they sent me from Lithuania was for a TW with its centripal
advance.We ended up using the coil out of it for someone else.
I know....TMFI!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Martyn <vertigo@whidbey.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/28/2005 1:02:12 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
>
> Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?).
I
> seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
>
> Thanks!
> Jim Martyn
>
>
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| Subject: | Did someone say mags |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
I have two preloved HS6A mags available. They were working great when the engine
was pulled.
Graeme Frew
CJ-6A
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| Subject: | Need Contact Info for Hayes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
will stick that in the silicon based memory chip of the ol' peripheral
brain!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/28/2005 2:37:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> A note to all: The HS6A mag works well on the M14P. I believe Craig
Payne
> run them.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Did they not move from San Diego to Nevada? The last # I have on them is:
> 858-292-7222.
> Good luck with the magneto thing. The last one I bought from them was
> $1094.00. Since coming to America, seems the YAK has discovered the
> Capitalist Pigs way of doing everything. Just charge a $1000 for anything
> if they own an airplane, boat, an SUV or house (in any of the above said
> combinations). They can afford it. By the way I bought two mags from them.
> The set they sent me from Lithuania was for a TW with its centripal
> advance.We ended up using the coil out of it for someone else.
> I know....TMFI!
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Jim Martyn <vertigo@whidbey.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/28/2005 1:02:12 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
> >
> > Can anyone give me contact numbers for Hayes (used to be in San Diego?).
> I
> > seem to have lost them and need magneto stuff.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Jim Martyn
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: gena perevedentsev <genaperevedent@yahoo.co.uk>
Interesting to know presence of solenoid in 55m
starting system,because the system was designed with
purely mechanic push to start button,compressor was
also thought at that time, to be unnecessary luxury.
Answering a question about check valves in air
distributor:one in the inlet port is to isolate air
system ,another(in line with drive shaft) serves to
allow lubrication when valve is disabled and prevent
pressurizing oil system when valve is activated.
Wheels hubs on our airplanes are made of magnezium.
Happy flying.
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 07:30 AM - Re: Housai Parts (Parts listings)
> (Fraser, Gus)
> 2. 12:15 PM - Starter Solenoid Valve help (Ron
> Spencer)
> 3. 12:47 PM - air start issue (Jon Boede)
> 4. 01:03 PM - Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help
> (Doug Sapp)
> 5. 03:23 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
> 09/26/05 (gena perevedentsev)
> 6. 03:23 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
> 09/26/05 (gena perevedentsev)
> 7. 05:11 PM - exhaust gas removal (ron wasson)
> 8. 08:09 PM - Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help
> (Royden Heays)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:30:17 AM PST US
> From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Housai Parts (Parts listings)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus"
> <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> I have added the following to the BBS
>
> http://www.notasukhoi.com/sme
>
> You will find a Sales and Wants section which breaks
> down as follows
> Aircraft
> ---For Sale
> ---Wanted
>
> Parts
> ---Offered
> ---Wanted
>
> Services
> ---Offered
> ---Wanted
>
> Please feel free to use it for items like this.
>
> Gus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Graeme Frew
> Subject: Yak-List: Housai Parts
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew"
> <gfrew@attglobal.net>
>
> To all you discerning Housai owners out there.
> I am parting out a complete engine which is missing
> only the generator and
> gov'na. All other bits available at reasonable
> prices. FOB Noo Zealand.
> Any enquiries to gfrew@attglobal.net
> Cheers
> Graeme Frew
> Nanchang 01
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:15:54 PM PST US
> From: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
> Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>
> I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the
> air system pressure,
> (unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as
> soon as the compressor
> is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10
> psi each 20-30 sec. After
> soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried
> isolating parts of the
> system.
>
> It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not
> fully seated or closing,
> thus allowing air to escape.
>
> My two questions are this...
>
> My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to
> dis-assemble the "top part" or
> "stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
> He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring,
> leather ring at base, which
> bolts into the valve block. He is specifically
> interested in the coil which
> piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a
> maint type I can only
> relay!
>
> The second question is...where can I buy a complete
> new starter solenoid
> valve?
>
> Thanks in advance, -rs-
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:47:40 PM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: air start issue
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede"
> <jon@email.net>
>
> After fixing an air leak by slightly tightening the
> line that connects
> into the bottom of the air distributor (where one
> line goes in and one
> line per cylinder for starting comes out), I have a
> strange situation
> where when I press the start button I hear a good
> FWAP! but the prop
> doesn't start to turn.
>
> A few more presses on the starter button and a few
> more FWAP!s and
> eventually it will go around. At the point where
> the prop turns there's
> more of a hissing noise, which I'm assuming is the
> air being distributed
> into each of the cylinders.
>
> There seems to be less of an issue when the engine
> is warm.
>
=== message truncated ===
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
Graeme;
How much are you asking for them? Do you know what the shipping cost would be?
Thanks, rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme Frew <gfrew@attglobal.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Did someone say mags
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew" <gfrew@attglobal.net>
I have two preloved HS6A mags available. They were working great when the engine
was pulled.
Graeme Frew
CJ-6A
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
I am running the Chinese mags on my M14, they work great.
(Thanks to Craig for the idea)
Joe
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Doug;
Big CAUTION note needs to be added here!
The DZ-5 (Huosai 6 and 6A) magneto should indeed work well on the M14P - IF
IT IS CORRECTLY TIMED!
If it is installed at the setting for the M9F mag. it will work but will
result in high cyl. head temperature, low power and (in fairly short order)
burned exhaust valves and seats.
The M9F is a fixed spark mag while the DZ-5 is auto advance to a maximum of
25 degs. Set to the M9F angle the DZ-5 (Polish M9 or Russian M9-25M) will be
firing at up to 48 degs. BTDC (crankshaft) compared to 23.6 degs. as
specified for the M14P.
The M14P manual does not provide any information for installation of mags
other than the M9F.
I believe (but cannot confirm from personal experience) that other models of
the M14 use the M9-25M, which appears identical to DZ-5. I also have been
told that the M14PF uses the M9-35M which allows up to 35 degs of auto
advance.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Contact Info for Hayes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> A note to all: The HS6A mag works well on the M14P. I believe Craig
> Payne
> run them.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Correction to my previous post re Huosai mags. on the M14P.
I listed the Chinese mag part number as DZ5. That is the spark plug. The mag P/N
is CD-5. Must have had a brain fart.
Walt
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Pappy:
Try doing the same at rich settings and then Lean of Peak. Level flight
aggressively lean You find co levels to almost zero.
Following are our results By Phil and I for the rear cockpit and some for
the front.
CJ6 CO LEVEL TEST 24-Sep-05
REAR CANOPY CLOSED (SEALED W/FOAM WEATHERSTRIPPING) ALL TIMES
CJ-6 Slipjoint exhaust Rear Canopy sealed- Holes in gear well fabric covered
holes behind rear seat covered
CRUISE CONFIGURATION 650mm/2000rpm
READINGS HEAD LEVEL REAR COCKPIT MIXTURE CO PPM GPM
STARTUP
FRONT OPEN TO STOP FULL RICH 9
IDLE LEANED 1
FRONT CLOSED LEAN 17
TAXI 7 4.2
FRONT CLOSED LEAN 1
RICH 4 6
RUNUP
FRONT CLOSED RICH 13
TAKEOFF RICH 155
LEANING (CLIMBING) 110
LEVEL CRUISE LEAN 7
AFTER 3 MINUTES LEAN 4
CONTINUED CRUISE FULL LEAN 1 13.2
CRUISE 12
FRONT OPEN LEAN 0
FRONT CLOSED REAR VENT OPEN LEAN 0
CLIMB (
6000') 170KM/H 60 15.3
LEANED IN CLIMB 31
RICH IN CLIMB 47 16.4
LEANED IN CLIMB 40 14.3
60 BANK (2G) 54 12.3
35 BANK 25
CLIMBING TURN LEAN 20
CLIMBING TURN rich 45 15.5
SPIN (POWER OFF STALL) RICH 58
CLIMB OUT (ZOOM) LEAN 20 13.2
LOOP (3.5G) LEAN 74
CIRCLE TO LAND FULL RICH 59
FRONT COCKPIT
LEVEL FLIGHT RICH 8 18.3
CLIMB 9 18.3
LEVEL FLIGHT FULL RICH 16 20
LEVEL FLIGHT LEAN 7 14.4
60 BANK (2G)
CANOPY OPEN 0
60 BANK (2G)
CANOPY CLOSED LEAN 4 12.5
FLIGHT DURATION 1.1 HOURS
TOTAL WEIGHTED AVERAGE FOR FLIGHT 0
SHORT TERM EXPOSURE LIMIT 7
PEAK 155
I think we can significantly reduce CO levels with changes to the way we are
operating our airplanes . At some point we should develop a standard table
so we can compare all our results .
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: CO gas in CJ-6
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Yesterday I did two test flight for CO in the cockpit. I used a nice
$100.00 detector (impulsepro) I brought off E-bay. Its a nice unit and
thank you
to the lister who recommended it.
I did two flights and since the reading are not really consistent, I plan
to
do more.
But here are just few of the data points I got so far.
(co=cockpit open cc=cockpit close and
ck= cockpit cracked or open to first notch)
Engine Idle (no wind)
co= 6 cc= 9 ck= --
100kt climb
co=17 cc=28 ck=19
100kt level
co=24 cc=22 ck=41
120kt level
co=13 cc=29 ck=26
130kt level
co=18 cc=39 ck=32
140kt level
co=23 cc=35 ck=31
70kt slow flight
co=53 cc=67 ck=91
80kt gear down level flt.
co=38 cc=54 ck=64
80kts flaps down level flt.
co=28 cc=36 ck=52
80kt gear&flaps level flt.
co=22 cc=36 ck=38
note 1: co=34ppm when taxing with quartering tail wind & canopy open.
note 2: co=117 when front air vent was closed at cruise air speeds.
note 3; Reading were taken a pilot nose level. Some sample readings taken
nearer cockpit floor were almost twice as high.
It was fun setting up the flight test card and than trying to fly it. I
was
attempting to collect 57 readings (3 readings per 19 different flight
configurations). This is why I need to do more test flights. I found that
just a
slight yaw movement will change the readings while in a flight
configuration.
Also the position in the cockpit effected what the reading would be. That
is why I started taking reading right near my nose.
Also I found that the sequence of going from one configuration to the next
would effect the readings. I ended up by going to the next flight
configurations with the cockpit open, stabilize, than take an average
reading for the
cockpit for the "cockpit open" point. I would than close the cockpit, wait
to
let the meter stabilize than take an average reading. I would than open
the
cockpit to the notch, let the meter readings stabilize, take a reading. I
would than open the cockpit all the way and go to the next flight
configuration.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
Hello Gena,
You appear to have knowledge of the YAK55M air distribution system. Can you
please describe how the system works from the time you push the starter
button, (min 22Volts) to the time the cyl are pressurized which initiates
the actual engine rotation for start. I am in the process of having my
mechanic tear down the solenoid vlave to check it out.
Thanks for your time, -rs-
----- Original Message -----
From: "gena perevedentsev" <genaperevedent@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 09/27/05
> --> Yak-List message posted by: gena perevedentsev
> <genaperevedent@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Interesting to know presence of solenoid in 55m
> starting system,because the system was designed with
> purely mechanic push to start button,compressor was
> also thought at that time, to be unnecessary luxury.
> Answering a question about check valves in air
> distributor:one in the inlet port is to isolate air
> system ,another(in line with drive shaft) serves to
> allow lubrication when valve is disabled and prevent
> pressurizing oil system when valve is activated.
> Wheels hubs on our airplanes are made of magnezium.
> Happy flying.
>
> --- Yak-List Digest Server
> <yak-list-digest@matronics.com> wrote:
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>> 09/27/05: 8
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Today's Message Index:
>> ----------------------
>>
>> 1. 07:30 AM - Re: Housai Parts (Parts listings)
>> (Fraser, Gus)
>> 2. 12:15 PM - Starter Solenoid Valve help (Ron
>> Spencer)
>> 3. 12:47 PM - air start issue (Jon Boede)
>> 4. 01:03 PM - Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>> (Doug Sapp)
>> 5. 03:23 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
>> 09/26/05 (gena perevedentsev)
>> 6. 03:23 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 10 Msgs -
>> 09/26/05 (gena perevedentsev)
>> 7. 05:11 PM - exhaust gas removal (ron wasson)
>> 8. 08:09 PM - Re: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>> (Royden Heays)
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 07:30:17 AM PST US
>> From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Housai Parts (Parts listings)
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus"
>> <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>
>> I have added the following to the BBS
>>
>> http://www.notasukhoi.com/sme
>>
>> You will find a Sales and Wants section which breaks
>> down as follows
>> Aircraft
>> ---For Sale
>> ---Wanted
>>
>> Parts
>> ---Offered
>> ---Wanted
>>
>> Services
>> ---Offered
>> ---Wanted
>>
>> Please feel free to use it for items like this.
>>
>> Gus
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of Graeme Frew
>> Subject: Yak-List: Housai Parts
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Graeme Frew"
>> <gfrew@attglobal.net>
>>
>> To all you discerning Housai owners out there.
>> I am parting out a complete engine which is missing
>> only the generator and
>> gov'na. All other bits available at reasonable
>> prices. FOB Noo Zealand.
>> Any enquiries to gfrew@attglobal.net
>> Cheers
>> Graeme Frew
>> Nanchang 01
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:15:54 PM PST US
>> From: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
>> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
>>
>> I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the
>> air system pressure,
>> (unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as
>> soon as the compressor
>> is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10
>> psi each 20-30 sec. After
>> soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried
>> isolating parts of the
>> system.
>>
>> It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not
>> fully seated or closing,
>> thus allowing air to escape.
>>
>> My two questions are this...
>>
>> My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to
>> dis-assemble the "top part" or
>> "stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
>> He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring,
>> leather ring at base, which
>> bolts into the valve block. He is specifically
>> interested in the coil which
>> piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a
>> maint type I can only
>> relay!
>>
>> The second question is...where can I buy a complete
>> new starter solenoid
>> valve?
>>
>> Thanks in advance, -rs-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Time: 12:47:40 PM PST US
>> Subject: Yak-List: air start issue
>> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede"
>> <jon@email.net>
>>
>> After fixing an air leak by slightly tightening the
>> line that connects
>> into the bottom of the air distributor (where one
>> line goes in and one
>> line per cylinder for starting comes out), I have a
>> strange situation
>> where when I press the start button I hear a good
>> FWAP! but the prop
>> doesn't start to turn.
>>
>> A few more presses on the starter button and a few
>> more FWAP!s and
>> eventually it will go around. At the point where
>> the prop turns there's
>> more of a hissing noise, which I'm assuming is the
>> air being distributed
>> into each of the cylinders.
>>
>> There seems to be less of an issue when the engine
>> is warm.
>>
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CO gas in CJ-6 + mags |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/28/2005 9:57:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rob@robinhill.com writes:
Rob,
Can't do that. M-14p has automatic mixture on the carburetor.
BTW. I ran Chinese mags on my M-14p for well over 100 hours. They ran
fine. You do need to use a different timing. Something like 12-14
BTDC as compared with 24 to 26 with the Russian mags. Craig Payne can give
details.
Pappy
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Pappy:
Try doing the same at rich settings and then Lean of Peak. Level flight
aggressively lean You find co levels to almost zero.
Following are our results By Phil and I for the rear cockpit and some for
the front.
CJ6 CO LEVEL TEST 24-Sep-05
REAR CANOPY CLOSED (SEALED W/FOAM WEATHERSTRIPPING) ALL TIMES
CJ-6 Slipjoint exhaust Rear Canopy sealed- Holes in gear well fabric covered
holes behind rear seat covered
CRUISE CONFIGURATION 650mm/2000rpm
READINGS HEAD LEVEL REAR COCKPIT MIXTURE CO PPM GPM
STARTUP
FRONT OPEN TO STOP FULL RICH 9
IDLE LEANED 1
FRONT CLOSED LEAN 17
TAXI 7 4.2
FRONT CLOSED LEAN 1
RICH 4 6
RUNUP
FRONT CLOSED RICH 13
TAKEOFF RICH 155
LEANING (CLIMBING) 110
LEVEL CRUISE LEAN 7
AFTER 3 MINUTES LEAN 4
CONTINUED CRUISE FULL LEAN 1 13.2
CRUISE 12
FRONT OPEN LEAN 0
FRONT CLOSED REAR VENT OPEN LEAN 0
CLIMB (
6000') 170KM/H 60 15.3
LEANED IN CLIMB 31
RICH IN CLIMB 47 16.4
LEANED IN CLIMB 40 14.3
60 BANK (2G) 54 12.3
35 BANK 25
CLIMBING TURN LEAN 20
CLIMBING TURN rich 45 15.5
SPIN (POWER OFF STALL) RICH 58
CLIMB OUT (ZOOM) LEAN 20 13.2
LOOP (3.5G) LEAN 74
CIRCLE TO LAND FULL RICH 59
FRONT COCKPIT
LEVEL FLIGHT RICH 8 18.3
CLIMB 9 18.3
LEVEL FLIGHT FULL RICH 16 20
LEVEL FLIGHT LEAN 7 14.4
60 BANK (2G)
CANOPY OPEN 0
60 BANK (2G)
CANOPY CLOSED LEAN 4 12.5
FLIGHT DURATION 1.1 HOURS
TOTAL WEIGHTED AVERAGE FOR FLIGHT 0
SHORT TERM EXPOSURE LIMIT 7
PEAK 155
I think we can significantly reduce CO levels with changes to the way we are
operating our airplanes . At some point we should develop a standard table
so we can compare all our results .
Rob
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: CO gas in CJ-6
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Yesterday I did two test flight for CO in the cockpit. I used a nice
$100.00 detector (impulsepro) I brought off E-bay. Its a nice unit and
thank you
to the lister who recommended it.
I did two flights and since the reading are not really consistent, I plan
to
do more.
But here are just few of the data points I got so far.
(co=cockpit open cc=cockpit close and
ck= cockpit cracked or open to first notch)
Engine Idle (no wind)
co= 6 cc= 9 ck= --
100kt climb
co=17 cc=28 ck=19
100kt level
co=24 cc=22 ck=41
120kt level
co=13 cc=29 ck=26
130kt level
co=18 cc=39 ck=32
140kt level
co=23 cc=35 ck=31
70kt slow flight
co=53 cc=67 ck=91
80kt gear down level flt.
co=38 cc=54 ck=64
80kts flaps down level flt.
co=28 cc=36 ck=52
80kt gear&flaps level flt.
co=22 cc=36 ck=38
note 1: co=34ppm when taxing with quartering tail wind & canopy open.
note 2: co=117 when front air vent was closed at cruise air speeds.
note 3; Reading were taken a pilot nose level. Some sample readings taken
nearer cockpit floor were almost twice as high.
It was fun setting up the flight test card and than trying to fly it. I
was
attempting to collect 57 readings (3 readings per 19 different flight
configurations). This is why I need to do more test flights. I found that
just a
slight yaw movement will change the readings while in a flight
configuration.
Also the position in the cockpit effected what the reading would be. That
is why I started taking reading right near my nose.
Also I found that the sequence of going from one configuration to the next
would effect the readings. I ended up by going to the next flight
configurations with the cockpit open, stabilize, than take an average
reading for the
cockpit for the "cockpit open" point. I would than close the cockpit, wait
to
let the meter stabilize than take an average reading. I would than open
the
cockpit to the notch, let the meter readings stabilize, take a reading. I
would than open the cockpit all the way and go to the next flight
configuration.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
You mean a "Senior Moment". but what's a 5 lost in the alphabet anyway?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/28/2005 8:08:55 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Magnetos
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Correction to my previous post re Huosai mags. on the M14P.
> I listed the Chinese mag part number as DZ5. That is the spark plug. The
mag P/N is CD-5. Must have had a brain fart.
>
> Walt
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Further on timing the CD-5 mags, you must have the chart showing the proper timing
related to the advance angle stamped inside the mag cover, they are not all the
same.
Joe
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Thanks
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of
tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>:
--------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Thanks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread
left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net:
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-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Thanks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You
information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So
YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay
more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>:
--------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> : --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
>
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> > out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> > going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You
information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So
YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay
more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net:
--------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
-- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original m
essage from "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
<BR
> Thanks
Frank
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
dness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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