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1. 04:47 AM - Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: ADIZ (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: AIR PUMP BLUES (Ernest Martinez)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Valkyre1)
5. 09:57 AM - [ Hal Morley ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
6. 10:07 AM - Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ (gpa)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Cliff Umscheid)
8. 01:27 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 02:00 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 11/04/05 (gena perevedentsev)
10. 03:03 PM - Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ (Frank Stelwagon)
11. 03:18 PM - Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ (Ernest Martinez)
12. 04:53 PM - AIR PUMP BLUES (Frank Haertlein)
13. 05:41 PM - Re: AIR PUMP BLUES (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 09:11 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Cliff Umscheid)
15. 10:10 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Mr. Baker,
First let me say that I do not disagree in any way with your comments.
However I do believe my statements may have been somewhat misinterpreted. I
do not blame the mayors for the DC ADIZ. That would be ignorant on my part.
I simply stated that if the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, then more will be
popping up. Most likely around existing Class B airspace. The mayors of
these great cities will be championing the effort to make their cities
"safe" in the interest of national security.
And I agree, the Bush administration is very much anti-aviation.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I find this airspace grab, this restriction on our personal freedom,
> this totally unnecessary and unproductive assault on general aviation
> called the Washington, D.C. ADIZ to be a truely appalling thing that I
> hope won't prove to be a harbinger of the future. However, I suspect the
> political heavy hitters in this country are unhappy with the rapid and
> unfettered movement that general aviation airplanes gives to a segment of
> the population of our country. Further, I suspect that these same people
> intend, by manipulating the bureaucracy and the non-aviation public, to
> use the "I'm sorry sir, but it's a matter of national security" nonsense
> to rapidly put a noose around general aviations' throat. We have an
> immense fight on our hands.
>
> My name and my comments are on the public comment web site on one of
> the very earliest pages. I'm pleased to see that these comments have
> grown to include 18,000 of my fellow Americans.
>
> I'm a 41 year registered Republican, but I'm now reluctant to admit
> it. That is because the erosions of our personal freedoms that have
> recently happened and are continuing to happen are occuring under the
> present political regime that is controlled by the Republican party. I
> think that they are manipulating the American public to their own ends
> using the horror of the 9/11 attack and "The War on Terror (sic)" as a
> device to justify their actions. This regime is the farthest to the right
> on any that I have seen in my life and I believe that they have an agenda
> that is certainly not in the best interests of myself and my peers. I've
> come to believe that this whole thing is being orchestrated by the
> George W. Bush administration...which is extremely anti aviation. And,
> I'm beginning to think, extremely anti ordinary American citizen.
>
> With those background comments, I must say that I find A. Dennis
> Savareses' comments on yesterdays Yak List exceedingly strange. Part of
> Mr. Savarese's post is quoted here:
>
> If the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, which I sincerely hope it does not, the
> precedent will be set for many other major cities within Class B airspace
> like LAX, SFO, ATL, NYC and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his city
> is
> just as vulnerable as DC and demand an ADIZ be implemented.
>
> The left wing mayors are sitting in their big, leather office chairs
> rocking back and
> forth with a smirk on their face, just waiting with their arms folded for
> this to happen.
>
> I don't see how Mr. Savarese gets from talking about the terrible
> aspects of the DC ADIZ which is being promulgated by the present
> Republican (rightist, if you will) administration to somehow twisting it
> all around to being something that "the left wing mayors" are foisting
> off on us. What kind of spin is this? I don't see a rational train of
> thought here. A Republican administration is in charge, backed up by a
> Republican Senate and a Republican House, and is sending off its'
> instructions to the FAA, the DHS, ad nauseum.....and Mr. Savarese blames
> this on left wing mayors?
>
> When my brother, a United States Marine, died in combat, he died to
> protect our personal freedoms....and now, politicians and bureaucrats are
> blithley taking them away. And, straight up Ace, it ain't democrats, or
> unions, or "left wing mayors" that are doing it. It's being done by the
> Bush administration, the Republicans and their bureaucratic toadys.
>
> In any case, it is up to each of us to protest in any way we can.
>
> Roger Baker
>
> "do not mistake dissent for disloyalty"
> ....Edward R. Murrow
>
>
>
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You're absolutely correct Craig; on all counts.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 5:47 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: ADIZ
Dennis wrote:
>
> and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his city is just as vulnerable as DC
> and demand an ADIZ be implemented. The left wing mayors are sitting in
> their big, leather office chairs rocking back and forth with a smirk on their
> face, just waiting with their arms folded for this to happen.
>
If ONLY it were Just Left Wing Mayors. I'm afraid that numerous well-meaning
Conservatives, and Tweeners also think this is a good idea. A Law and Order kinda
of thing to prevent Terrorism. As pilots, it is ALL of our jobs to protect
the freedoms we most cherish.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: AIR PUMP BLUES |
In troubleshooting an air system problem recently I learned that the
quickest way to know if your air system has a blockage is to just fill up
your bottle via the air service port. This is about as far downstream as the
compressor ( ahead of the snot valve though). If you can fill the bottle
from the service port, then you know that your filters, check valves, and
everything upstream is OK. The only likely thing left other than the
compressor would be the snot valve being blocked.
The most common culprit is a small poppet valve square in the center of the
compressor piston, it tends to stick rendering the compressor useless. The
only way to fix it is to remove the compressor cylinder off, remove the
piston pin, then you can take the assembly off without having to remove the
entire compressor. Clean the piston well with mineral spirits until the
poppet valves moves freely, then re-assemble.
Ernie
On 11/5/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/5/2005 6:04:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
> The first thing to check is the line out of the compressor and make sure
> the compressor is making air. Disconnect the line at one end, than while the
> engine is running check to see if air is coming out. If not, take off the
> line, check it for holes or gulp, clean it, reinstall making sure all
> connections are tight. Run the engine again and see if air comes out. If it
> does not, than you know its the compressor where the problem is for sure.
> If the compressor is putting out than move up the system and check your
> filters. I've seen these cut off air completely too. You gota keep them
> clean.
> I am not as familiar with the engine compartment of the 52 as I am the
> CJ, but if I remember right, you have bunch of stuff to get around in order
> to get the compressor. If the compressor gets carbon up, it's out put will
> drop off to nothing. You get to the top of the valves that carbon builds up
> on by removing the filter on top on the compressor. You try squirting MMO in
> there which may break loose the carbon.
> I plan on cleaning my compressor at my next annual with Ardrox 6367 made
> by Turco. My brother use this stuff to clean the carbon out of jet engines.
> It is sprayed into the engine intake while being turned over by the starter.
> It is allowed to sit for 30 minutes than wash out with water. I planning on
> using different method but it should knock a lot of that stuff out.
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> Yakkers
> Need some advice regarding my 52's air system.
> As of today the air system isn't pumping up anymore.
> Are there some things I should look for ?
> Is there something I can do before replacing the compressor?
> I heard the pump can carbon up.
> Where does the carbo build up?
> Can it cause my symptoms?
> If I clean out the carbon will the pump begin to work again?
> Thanks in advance
> Frank
> N9110m
> K32
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
"Cliff's attempts at goading me into sitting on his lap aside, er,.... what
can I say? I guess he finally tipped the scales and drove me into the cockpit
of a CJ6 instead of a YAK. (Sigh)
I think that I made a good decision for what I personally want, and I am
excited to be firming up the deal soon. Thank you all for your help, encouragement,
and suggestions. I appreciate the data many of you sent giving me options
to purchase other aircraft as well. I'll keep you guys informed and take notes
on the wisdom here for future reference. When the annual and pre purchase
inspections are done, I intend to be there. It should be a great learning experience.
If any of you think that I made a mistake in my choices.... It's CLIFF's
fault!!!....Gett'em!! (laugh).
OK Cliff, watch your six. Ah, and my dad is doing great living in Kanab,
writing books, inventing work out equipment, and still pumping iron at 76.
I'll tell him what you said about flying "United".
Fraternally, - Val
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| Subject: | [ Hal Morley ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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| Subject: | Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
Politicos on both sides of the aisle can get behind this issue and appear to
be doing something for national security. This issue is a perfect example
of why as Americans we need stay ever vigilant and ready to act against the
political parties that be, even when that party happens to be the one we're
in at the moment. Friends and families aside, we are Americans first and
foremost. When did the political parties become teams that we HAD to be
part of? It's like you are either for one or the other. They have even
made it easy for us; blue or red. Once upon a time it was a respected
businessman or attorney (yes there are many excellent attorneys out there
believe it or not) who would take time from his family and business, and
encouraged by their respective communities, would run for office.
Instead we have this party elite, the wing nuts on both sides, that run the
respective parties these days. I've met these people in college. I know who
they are. While I was studying engineering and science they were the ones,
unable to handle mathematics, physics, or biology, who studied "political
science". These men and women start in college as ideologues and bullshit
artists, supported by influential families, both democrat and republican,
who are richer than Midas, who than self-select themselves as they move
through the Ivy league schools. It's all about how to spin the media and
public in order to obtain votes to keep their respective political machines
in power.
Today's candidates don't represent mainstream America; they represent
themselves and their cadre of special interests. The public hasn't seemed to
have figured this out yet. There is no such thing as red or blue states. I
cringe whenever I hear some empty headed newscaster babble on about red and
blue states. Except for a few issues, most Americans feel pretty much the
same about the majority of the most significant concerns that face the
country. Who isn't for a strong defense? a strong economy? However,
politicians of both parties use the few issues that Americans do disagree on
as wedge issues to splinter voters into one or the other's "team". Neither
the republican party or the democratic party can be trusted. EVER!
As I said earlier, friends and families aside, we are Americans first and
foremost. We are the ones who stand between the freedoms our founding
fathers laid at our feet at great cost to themselves and their families, and
those who seek to undermine those freedoms in the name of "safety" as they
chase votes that will assure them continued access to the levers of
power....but I digress...hey, look!! Spongebob Squarepants is on. Later.
Greg Arnold
N624PT
-----------------------------------------
An aircraft in a hangar is safe, but that's not what aircraft are built for.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I find this airspace grab, this restriction on our personal freedom,
> this totally unnecessary and unproductive assault on general aviation
> called the Washington, D.C. ADIZ to be a truely appalling thing that I
> hope won't prove to be a harbinger of the future. However, I suspect the
> political heavy hitters in this country are unhappy with the rapid and
> unfettered movement that general aviation airplanes gives to a segment of
> the population of our country. Further, I suspect that these same people
> intend, by manipulating the bureaucracy and the non-aviation public, to
> use the "I'm sorry sir, but it's a matter of national security" nonsense
> to rapidly put a noose around general aviations' throat. We have an
> immense fight on our hands.
>
> My name and my comments are on the public comment web site on one of
> the very earliest pages. I'm pleased to see that these comments have
> grown to include 18,000 of my fellow Americans.
>
> I'm a 41 year registered Republican, but I'm now reluctant to admit
> it. That is because the erosions of our personal freedoms that have
> recently happened and are continuing to happen are occuring under the
> present political regime that is controlled by the Republican party. I
> think that they are manipulating the American public to their own ends
> using the horror of the 9/11 attack and "The War on Terror (sic)" as a
> device to justify their actions. This regime is the farthest to the right
> on any that I have seen in my life and I believe that they have an agenda
> that is certainly not in the best interests of myself and my peers. I've
> come to believe that this whole thing is being orchestrated by the
> George W. Bush administration...which is extremely anti aviation. And,
> I'm beginning to think, extremely anti ordinary American citizen.
>
> With those background comments, I must say that I find A. Dennis
> Savareses' comments on yesterdays Yak List exceedingly strange. Part of
> Mr. Savarese's post is quoted here:
>
> If the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, which I sincerely hope it does not, the
> precedent will be set for many other major cities within Class B airspace
> like LAX, SFO, ATL, NYC and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his city
> is
> just as vulnerable as DC and demand an ADIZ be implemented.
>
> The left wing mayors are sitting in their big, leather office chairs
> rocking back and
> forth with a smirk on their face, just waiting with their arms folded for
> this to happen.
>
> I don't see how Mr. Savarese gets from talking about the terrible
> aspects of the DC ADIZ which is being promulgated by the present
> Republican (rightist, if you will) administration to somehow twisting it
> all around to being something that "the left wing mayors" are foisting
> off on us. What kind of spin is this? I don't see a rational train of
> thought here. A Republican administration is in charge, backed up by a
> Republican Senate and a Republican House, and is sending off its'
> instructions to the FAA, the DHS, ad nauseum.....and Mr. Savarese blames
> this on left wing mayors?
>
> When my brother, a United States Marine, died in combat, he died to
> protect our personal freedoms....and now, politicians and bureaucrats are
> blithley taking them away. And, straight up Ace, it ain't democrats, or
> unions, or "left wing mayors" that are doing it. It's being done by the
> Bush administration, the Republicans and their bureaucratic toadys.
>
> In any case, it is up to each of us to protest in any way we can.
>
> Roger Baker
>
> "do not mistake dissent for disloyalty"
> ....Edward R. Murrow
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
VAL,
I hasten to advise that there is a mis-attribution contained in your
posting of 6 Nov as indicated below. Specifically, I am NOT the author of
the comment pertaining to "Flying United". I admit to thinking it was
clever and amusing, but I accept neither credit nor blame for its
genesis. It is doubtful that even the retraction and apology of such an
error will lift the burden of public blame and scorn from my shoulders ,
or to exhonerate me from "tipping the scales" and ,from "driving me (you)
into the cockpit of CJ 6 instead of a YAK". Nevertheless, my wounds will
heal in time, and, in the final analysis, YOUR satisfaction is what is
most important to me . Glad to hear your Dad is doing well; sounds like
he could still pass a first class physical . Recently, I did just that
,only to prove that I still can--and without conditions, exceptions or
glasses.
And now, on to the comfort and joy of communing with my Nifty Fifty
and a varied diet of Jay Birds, CJ 6s and
others whose naivete leads them to tangle. Best wishes and good luck.
We'll listen for you on the freq.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:41:38 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
writes:
"Cliff's attempts at goading me into sitting on his lap aside,
er,.... what can I say? I guess he finally tipped the scales and drove me
into the cockpit of a CJ6 instead of a YAK. (Sigh)
I think that I made a good decision for what I personally want,
and I am excited to be firming up the deal soon. Thank you all for your
help, encouragement, and suggestions. I appreciate the data many of you
sent giving me options to purchase other aircraft as well. I'll keep you
guys informed and take notes on the wisdom here for future reference.
When the annual and pre purchase inspections are done, I intend to be
there. It should be a great learning experience.
If any of you think that I made a mistake in my choices.... It's
CLIFF's fault!!!....Gett'em!! (laugh).
OK Cliff, watch your six. Ah, and my dad is doing great living in
Kanab, writing books, inventing work out equipment, and still pumping
iron at 76. I'll tell him what you said about flying "United".
Fraternally, - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
netmaster15@juno.com writes:
Gee Cliff, it sound like you just may have some couth after all! :-)
Pappy
VAL,
I hasten to advise that there is a mis-attribution contained in your
posting of 6 Nov as indicated below. Specifically, I am NOT the author of the
comment pertaining to "Flying United". I admit to thinking it was clever and
amusing, but I accept neither credit nor blame for its genesis. It is doubtful
that even the retraction and apology of such an error will lift the burden of
public blame and scorn from my shoulders , or to exhonerate me from "tipping
the scales" and ,from "driving me (you) into the cockpit of CJ 6 instead of a
YAK". Nevertheless, my wounds will heal in time, and, in the final analysis,
YOUR satisfaction is what is most important to me . Glad to hear your Dad is
doing well; sounds like he could still pass a first class physical .
Recently, I did just that ,only to prove that I still can--and without conditions,
exceptions or glasses.
And now, on to the comfort and joy of communing with my Nifty Fifty and a
varied diet of Jay Birds, CJ 6s and
others whose naivete leads them to tangle. Best wishes and good luck. We'll
listen for you on the freq.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:41:38 -0700 "Valkyre1" <_Valkyre1@comcast.net_
(mailto:Valkyre1@comcast.net) > writes:
"Cliff's attempts at goading me into sitting on his lap aside, er,....
what can I say? I guess he finally tipped the scales and drove me into the
cockpit of a CJ6 instead of a YAK. (Sigh)
I think that I made a good decision for what I personally want, and I
am excited to be firming up the deal soon. Thank you all for your help,
encouragement, and suggestions. I appreciate the data many of you sent giving
me options to purchase other aircraft as well. I'll keep you guys informed and
take notes on the wisdom here for future reference. When the annual and pre
purchase inspections are done, I intend to be there. It should be a great
learning experience.
If any of you think that I made a mistake in my choices.... It's
CLIFF's fault!!!....Gett'em!! (laugh).
OK Cliff, watch your six. Ah, and my dad is doing great living in
Kanab, writing books, inventing work out equipment, and still pumping iron at
76. I'll tell him what you said about flying "United".
Fraternally, - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 39 Msgs - 11/04/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: gena perevedentsev <genaperevedent@yahoo.co.uk>
The story could be started from Yak-50. Her life(
currently 300) hrs assumes typical flight as
aerobatic.Now we are extending life to 400 hrs and YDB
askes us if the airplane has been flawn by National
Aerobatic team ( Russian ). Answer is that for setting
of a standard flight they used KULP- a programm
covered training from initial to 4th-5th year of
flight training. Inspections revealed that airplanes
flawn beyound this programs could not be safely
operated with set lifetime. Time calculated: 1=1.
Yak-52.Airplane with cross country capabilities(
ADF,DI)and initial aerobatic trainer.In order to meet
the differencies of operation, a scheme of flight time
calculation was proposed. The scheme , particularly,
reguired 9 time multiplication for certain flights
patterns.Time used here was actual time flawn for
certain figures in the flight. It was very messy,but
it could reflect real level of stress loading ang
fatique accumulation. Flight by Russian regulations
starts from full throttle for take off and ends after
touch down runway for landing.
With Su-29 they made this way of assesing flight loads
for lifetime purposes.Lets put aside multiplication by
6 of 3 hrs cross country flight home with 6g saluting
in the overhead. I am sure it means actual time spent
for the maneouveres.
Happy flights.
Gena.
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> 1. 12:09 AM - "What's my Contribution used
> for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle)
> 2. 12:56 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs -
> 11/03/05 (Rob Kent)
> 3. 04:15 AM - The DC ADIZ NPRM
> (alan@reichertech.com)
> 4. 05:03 AM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (Steve & Donna Hanshew)
> 5. 06:29 AM - Sukhoi Lifetime (Richard Goode)
> 6. 07:02 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (Frank
> Haertlein)
> 7. 07:49 AM - Test only (Kevin Pilling)
> 8. 07:49 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (Brian
> Lloyd)
> 9. 08:21 AM - (Two) M-14P engines for sale
> (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
> 10. 08:39 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S
> REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Roger Kemp)
> 11. 08:42 AM - DC ADIZ NPRM (Frank Haertlein)
> 12. 08:53 AM - Re: Sukhoi Lifetime (Roger Kemp)
> 13. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs
> - 11/03/05 (Roger Kemp)
> 14. 09:03 AM - Re: DC ADIZ NPRM (A. Dennis
> Savarese)
> 15. 09:06 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM
> (Genzlinger, Reade)
> 16. 09:08 AM - Val meets Batman and the Sow's
> ear. (Roger Kemp)
> 17. 10:03 AM - Fw: Re: Sukoi (Richard
> Basiliere)
> 18. 10:27 AM - Buenos Aires (Doug Sapp)
> 19. 10:50 AM - fuel tank question (ron wasson)
> 20. 11:08 AM - Re: fuel tank question (Ernest
> Martinez)
> 21. 11:28 AM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (Walter Lannon)
> 22. 11:37 AM - Re: fuel tank question (Walter
> Lannon)
> 23. 12:33 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Brian
> Lloyd)
> 24. 12:45 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron
> wasson)
> 25. 12:49 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (JOE HOWSE)
> 26. 01:01 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron
> wasson)
> 27. 01:26 PM - Parachute (ANDREWS)
> 28. 01:31 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Brian
> Lloyd)
> 29. 01:51 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron
> wasson)
> 30. 02:01 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Jim
> Bernier)
> 31. 02:51 PM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM
> (cjpilot710@aol.com)
> 32. 03:32 PM - Sam Sax (Doug Sapp)
> 33. 04:52 PM - A little Levity for the List
> (Frank Haertlein)
> 34. 08:07 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S
> REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Scott Glaser)
> 35. 08:57 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (Cliff Umscheid)
> 36. 09:47 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (Roger Kemp)
> 37. 09:48 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S
> REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Roger Kemp)
> 38. 11:15 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman
> flies (Brian Lloyd)
> 39. 11:34 PM - Re: (Two) M-14P engines for sale
> (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
Isn't there a political list somewhere so we can get rid of these people.
Frank
N23021 CJ6-A
----- Original Message -----
From: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
>
> Politicos on both sides of the aisle can get behind this issue and appear
> to be doing something for national security. This issue is a perfect
> example of why as Americans we need stay ever vigilant and ready to act
> against the political parties that be, even when that party happens to be
> the one we're in at the moment. Friends and families aside, we are
> Americans first and foremost. When did the political parties become teams
> that we HAD to be part of? It's like you are either for one or the other.
> They have even made it easy for us; blue or red. Once upon a time it was
> a respected businessman or attorney (yes there are many excellent
> attorneys out there believe it or not) who would take time from his family
> and business, and encouraged by their respective communities, would run
> for office.
>
> Instead we have this party elite, the wing nuts on both sides, that run
> the respective parties these days. I've met these people in college. I
> know who they are. While I was studying engineering and science they were
> the ones, unable to handle mathematics, physics, or biology, who studied
> "political science". These men and women start in college as ideologues
> and bullshit artists, supported by influential families, both democrat and
> republican, who are richer than Midas, who than self-select themselves as
> they move through the Ivy league schools. It's all about how to spin the
> media and public in order to obtain votes to keep their respective
> political machines in power.
>
> Today's candidates don't represent mainstream America; they represent
> themselves and their cadre of special interests. The public hasn't seemed
> to have figured this out yet. There is no such thing as red or blue
> states. I cringe whenever I hear some empty headed newscaster babble on
> about red and blue states. Except for a few issues, most Americans feel
> pretty much the same about the majority of the most significant concerns
> that face the country. Who isn't for a strong defense? a strong economy?
> However, politicians of both parties use the few issues that Americans do
> disagree on as wedge issues to splinter voters into one or the other's
> "team". Neither the republican party or the democratic party can be
> trusted. EVER!
>
> As I said earlier, friends and families aside, we are Americans first and
> foremost. We are the ones who stand between the freedoms our founding
> fathers laid at our feet at great cost to themselves and their families,
> and those who seek to undermine those freedoms in the name of "safety" as
> they chase votes that will assure them continued access to the levers of
> power....but I digress...hey, look!! Spongebob Squarepants is on. Later.
>
> Greg Arnold
> N624PT
>
> -----------------------------------------
> An aircraft in a hangar is safe, but that's not what aircraft are built
> for.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
> To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:51 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I find this airspace grab, this restriction on our personal
>> freedom, this totally unnecessary and unproductive assault on general
>> aviation called the Washington, D.C. ADIZ to be a truely appalling thing
>> that I hope won't prove to be a harbinger of the future. However, I
>> suspect the political heavy hitters in this country are unhappy with the
>> rapid and unfettered movement that general aviation airplanes gives to a
>> segment of the population of our country. Further, I suspect that these
>> same people intend, by manipulating the bureaucracy and the non-aviation
>> public, to use the "I'm sorry sir, but it's a matter of national
>> security" nonsense to rapidly put a noose around general aviations'
>> throat. We have an immense fight on our hands.
>>
>> My name and my comments are on the public comment web site on one
>> of the very earliest pages. I'm pleased to see that these comments have
>> grown to include 18,000 of my fellow Americans.
>>
>> I'm a 41 year registered Republican, but I'm now reluctant to admit
>> it. That is because the erosions of our personal freedoms that have
>> recently happened and are continuing to happen are occuring under the
>> present political regime that is controlled by the Republican party. I
>> think that they are manipulating the American public to their own ends
>> using the horror of the 9/11 attack and "The War on Terror (sic)" as a
>> device to justify their actions. This regime is the farthest to the
>> right on any that I have seen in my life and I believe that they have an
>> agenda that is certainly not in the best interests of myself and my
>> peers. I've come to believe that this whole thing is being
>> orchestrated by the George W. Bush administration...which is extremely
>> anti aviation. And, I'm beginning to think, extremely anti ordinary
>> American citizen.
>>
>> With those background comments, I must say that I find A. Dennis
>> Savareses' comments on yesterdays Yak List exceedingly strange. Part of
>> Mr. Savarese's post is quoted here:
>>
>> If the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, which I sincerely hope it does not,
>> the
>> precedent will be set for many other major cities within Class B
>> airspace
>> like LAX, SFO, ATL, NYC and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his city
>> is
>> just as vulnerable as DC and demand an ADIZ be implemented.
>>
>> The left wing mayors are sitting in their big, leather office chairs
>> rocking back and
>> forth with a smirk on their face, just waiting with their arms folded
>> for
>> this to happen.
>>
>> I don't see how Mr. Savarese gets from talking about the terrible
>> aspects of the DC ADIZ which is being promulgated by the present
>> Republican (rightist, if you will) administration to somehow twisting it
>> all around to being something that "the left wing mayors" are foisting
>> off on us. What kind of spin is this? I don't see a rational train of
>> thought here. A Republican administration is in charge, backed up by a
>> Republican Senate and a Republican House, and is sending off its'
>> instructions to the FAA, the DHS, ad nauseum.....and Mr. Savarese blames
>> this on left wing mayors?
>>
>> When my brother, a United States Marine, died in combat, he died to
>> protect our personal freedoms....and now, politicians and bureaucrats
>> are blithley taking them away. And, straight up Ace, it ain't
>> democrats, or unions, or "left wing mayors" that are doing it. It's
>> being done by the Bush administration, the Republicans and their
>> bureaucratic toadys.
>>
>> In any case, it is up to each of us to protest in any way we can.
>>
>> Roger Baker
>>
>> "do not mistake dissent for disloyalty"
>> ....Edward R. Murrow
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Savarese/DC ADIZ |
Amen!!!!
On 11/6/05, Frank Stelwagon <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon" <
> pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
>
> Isn't there a political list somewhere so we can get rid of these people.
>
> Frank
> N23021 CJ6-A
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "gpa" <catfsh4u@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Politicos on both sides of the aisle can get behind this issue and
> appear
> > to be doing something for national security. This issue is a perfect
> > example of why as Americans we need stay ever vigilant and ready to act
> > against the political parties that be, even when that party happens to
> be
> > the one we're in at the moment. Friends and families aside, we are
> > Americans first and foremost. When did the political parties become
> teams
> > that we HAD to be part of? It's like you are either for one or the
> other.
> > They have even made it easy for us; blue or red. Once upon a time it was
> > a respected businessman or attorney (yes there are many excellent
> > attorneys out there believe it or not) who would take time from his
> family
> > and business, and encouraged by their respective communities, would run
> > for office.
> >
> > Instead we have this party elite, the wing nuts on both sides, that run
> > the respective parties these days. I've met these people in college. I
> > know who they are. While I was studying engineering and science they
> were
> > the ones, unable to handle mathematics, physics, or biology, who studied
> > "political science". These men and women start in college as ideologues
> > and bullshit artists, supported by influential families, both democrat
> and
> > republican, who are richer than Midas, who than self-select themselves
> as
> > they move through the Ivy league schools. It's all about how to spin the
> > media and public in order to obtain votes to keep their respective
> > political machines in power.
> >
> > Today's candidates don't represent mainstream America; they represent
> > themselves and their cadre of special interests. The public hasn't
> seemed
> > to have figured this out yet. There is no such thing as red or blue
> > states. I cringe whenever I hear some empty headed newscaster babble on
> > about red and blue states. Except for a few issues, most Americans feel
> > pretty much the same about the majority of the most significant concerns
> > that face the country. Who isn't for a strong defense? a strong economy?
> > However, politicians of both parties use the few issues that Americans
> do
> > disagree on as wedge issues to splinter voters into one or the other's
> > "team". Neither the republican party or the democratic party can be
> > trusted. EVER!
> >
> > As I said earlier, friends and families aside, we are Americans first
> and
> > foremost. We are the ones who stand between the freedoms our founding
> > fathers laid at our feet at great cost to themselves and their families,
> > and those who seek to undermine those freedoms in the name of "safety"
> as
> > they chase votes that will assure them continued access to the levers of
> > power....but I digress...hey, look!! Spongebob Squarepants is on. Later.
> >
> > Greg Arnold
> > N624PT
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > An aircraft in a hangar is safe, but that's not what aircraft are built
> > for.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
> > To: "Yak List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 12:51 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Savarese/DC ADIZ
> >
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> I find this airspace grab, this restriction on our personal
> >> freedom, this totally unnecessary and unproductive assault on general
> >> aviation called the Washington, D.C. ADIZ to be a truely appalling
> thing
> >> that I hope won't prove to be a harbinger of the future. However, I
> >> suspect the political heavy hitters in this country are unhappy with
> the
> >> rapid and unfettered movement that general aviation airplanes gives to
> a
> >> segment of the population of our country. Further, I suspect that these
> >> same people intend, by manipulating the bureaucracy and the
> non-aviation
> >> public, to use the "I'm sorry sir, but it's a matter of national
> >> security" nonsense to rapidly put a noose around general aviations'
> >> throat. We have an immense fight on our hands.
> >>
> >> My name and my comments are on the public comment web site on one
> >> of the very earliest pages. I'm pleased to see that these comments have
> >> grown to include 18,000 of my fellow Americans.
> >>
> >> I'm a 41 year registered Republican, but I'm now reluctant to admit
> >> it. That is because the erosions of our personal freedoms that have
> >> recently happened and are continuing to happen are occuring under the
> >> present political regime that is controlled by the Republican party. I
> >> think that they are manipulating the American public to their own ends
> >> using the horror of the 9/11 attack and "The War on Terror (sic)" as a
> >> device to justify their actions. This regime is the farthest to the
> >> right on any that I have seen in my life and I believe that they have
> an
> >> agenda that is certainly not in the best interests of myself and my
> >> peers. I've come to believe that this whole thing is being
> >> orchestrated by the George W. Bush administration...which is extremely
> >> anti aviation. And, I'm beginning to think, extremely anti ordinary
> >> American citizen.
> >>
> >> With those background comments, I must say that I find A. Dennis
> >> Savareses' comments on yesterdays Yak List exceedingly strange. Part of
> >> Mr. Savarese's post is quoted here:
> >>
> >> If the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, which I sincerely hope it does not,
> >> the
> >> precedent will be set for many other major cities within Class B
> >> airspace
> >> like LAX, SFO, ATL, NYC and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his
> city
> >> is
> >> just as vulnerable as DC and demand an ADIZ be implemented.
> >>
> >> The left wing mayors are sitting in their big, leather office chairs
> >> rocking back and
> >> forth with a smirk on their face, just waiting with their arms folded
> >> for
> >> this to happen.
> >>
> >> I don't see how Mr. Savarese gets from talking about the terrible
> >> aspects of the DC ADIZ which is being promulgated by the present
> >> Republican (rightist, if you will) administration to somehow twisting
> it
> >> all around to being something that "the left wing mayors" are foisting
> >> off on us. What kind of spin is this? I don't see a rational train of
> >> thought here. A Republican administration is in charge, backed up by a
> >> Republican Senate and a Republican House, and is sending off its'
> >> instructions to the FAA, the DHS, ad nauseum.....and Mr. Savarese
> blames
> >> this on left wing mayors?
> >>
> >> When my brother, a United States Marine, died in combat, he died to
> >> protect our personal freedoms....and now, politicians and bureaucrats
> >> are blithley taking them away. And, straight up Ace, it ain't
> >> democrats, or unions, or "left wing mayors" that are doing it. It's
> >> being done by the Bush administration, the Republicans and their
> >> bureaucratic toadys.
> >>
> >> In any case, it is up to each of us to protest in any way we can.
> >>
> >> Roger Baker
> >>
> >> "do not mistake dissent for disloyalty"
> >> ....Edward R. Murrow
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
books.com>
> ,
>!
>
>
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I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final
check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: AIR PUMP BLUES |
In a message dated 11/6/2005 7:54:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
I bet ya a dollar that was it.
Pappy
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
Pappy,
So much of what is posted here is tongue in cheek and good natured
banter. Don't take anything too seriously, especially that which is not
meant to draw blood. How can you portray that which is written with a
smile on its face? :-) Waddyamean "older than dirt"? Grrr.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:08:33 EST cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
netmaster15@juno.com writes:
Gee Cliff, it sound like you just may have some couth after all! :-)
Pappy
VAL,
I hasten to advise that there is a mis-attribution contained in your
posting of 6 Nov as indicated below. Specifically, I am NOT the author of
the comment pertaining to "Flying United". I admit to thinking it was
clever and amusing, but I accept neither credit nor blame for its
genesis. It is doubtful that even the retraction and apology of such an
error will lift the burden of public blame and scorn from my shoulders ,
or to exhonerate me from "tipping the scales" and ,from "driving me (you)
into the cockpit of CJ 6 instead of a YAK". Nevertheless, my wounds will
heal in time, and, in the final analysis, YOUR satisfaction is what is
most important to me . Glad to hear your Dad is doing well; sounds like
he could still pass a first class physical . Recently, I did just that
,only to prove that I still can--and without conditions, exceptions or
glasses.
And now, on to the comfort and joy of communing with my Nifty Fifty
and a varied diet of Jay Birds, CJ 6s and
others whose naivete leads them to tangle. Best wishes and good luck.
We'll listen for you on the freq.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:41:38 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
writes:
"Cliff's attempts at goading me into sitting on his lap aside,
er,.... what can I say? I guess he finally tipped the scales and drove me
into the cockpit of a CJ6 instead of a YAK. (Sigh)
I think that I made a good decision for what I personally want,
and I am excited to be firming up the deal soon. Thank you all for your
help, encouragement, and suggestions. I appreciate the data many of you
sent giving me options to purchase other aircraft as well. I'll keep you
guys informed and take notes on the wisdom here for future reference.
When the annual and pre purchase inspections are done, I intend to be
there. It should be a great learning experience.
If any of you think that I made a mistake in my choices.... It's
CLIFF's fault!!!....Gett'em!! (laugh).
OK Cliff, watch your six. Ah, and my dad is doing great living in
Kanab, writing books, inventing work out equipment, and still pumping
iron at 76. I'll tell him what you said about flying "United".
Fraternally, - Val
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
Pappy and Cliff,
Tongue and cheek is all that is intended here. Even if I fly with one of those
feet hanging like a "vulcer" YAK-52's. Although I prefer to look at them more
as being like the talons of a Falcon or an Eagle. You, Pappy, fly one of those
bent winged Chinese aircraft that you to absolutely love breaking the Surles
with. Cliff loves his 50 and justifiably so with all that I am learning about
it. Makes one older thatn"dirt" feel like a 23 year old fighter pilot again.
Damned I hate this having to grow up and become a supervising adult. What fun
it was to be a lowly Capt with my heair on fire and the whole US airspace as
a play ground. Would trade places with my son in UPT in a heart beat! He is having
a blast flying the T-6 II! Sorry for the digression there.
Bottom line, we all extroll the values of our aircraft and "Valkyrie" was the
avenue for some of this. I'm sure she learned something from us on this issue
also. We all have the same lenght PITOT TUBES on our left wings. Some just painted
differently that is all. Now the other pitot we fly around with...well that
is another issue...just look at the size of that watch on your wrist. The relationship
is an inverse one in the fighter community!
As for who came up with the "Fly United" thing in that nifty Fifty...well I must
confess...Twas "I". Besides, how else will two fly in a one holer? Don't answer
that. Just hope one is happy to see the other that's all or it is going to
be ooonnneeee llloooonnnngggg ride!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition
Pappy,
So much of what is posted here is tongue in cheek and good natured banter. Don't
take anything too seriously, especially that which is not meant to draw blood.
How can you portray that which is written with a smile on its face? :-)
Waddyamean "older than dirt"? Grrr.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:08:33 EST cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:21:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, netmaster15@juno.com
writes:
Gee Cliff, it sound like you just may have some couth after all! :-)
Pappy
VAL,
I hasten to advise that there is a mis-attribution contained in your posting of
6 Nov as indicated below. Specifically, I am NOT the author of the comment pertaining
to "Flying United". I admit to thinking it was clever and amusing,
but I accept neither credit nor blame for its genesis. It is doubtful that even
the retraction and apology of such an error will lift the burden of public blame
and scorn from my shoulders , or to exhonerate me from "tipping the scales"
and ,from "driving me (you) into the cockpit of CJ 6 instead of a YAK". Nevertheless,
my wounds will heal in time, and, in the final analysis, YOUR satisfaction
is what is most important to me . Glad to hear your Dad is doing well;
sounds like he could still pass a first class physical . Recently, I did just
that ,only to prove that I still can--and without conditions, exceptions or glasses.
And now, on to the comfort and joy of communing with my Nifty Fifty and a varied
diet of Jay Birds, CJ 6s and
others whose naivete leads them to tangle. Best wishes and good luck. We'll listen
for you on the freq.
CLIFF
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:41:38 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net> writes:
"Cliff's attempts at goading me into sitting on his lap aside, er,.... what
can I say? I guess he finally tipped the scales and drove me into the cockpit
of a CJ6 instead of a YAK. (Sigh)
I think that I made a good decision for what I personally want, and I am
excited to be firming up the deal soon. Thank you all for your help, encouragement,
and suggestions. I appreciate the data many of you sent giving me options
to purchase other aircraft as well. I'll keep you guys informed and take notes
on the wisdom here for future reference. When the annual and pre purchase
inspections are done, I intend to be there. It should be a great learning experience.
If any of you think that I made a mistake in my choices.... It's CLIFF's
fault!!!....Gett'em!! (laugh).
OK Cliff, watch your six. Ah, and my dad is doing great living in Kanab,
writing books, inventing work out equipment, and still pumping iron at 76.
I'll tell him what you said about flying "United".
Fraternally, - Val
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