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1. 04:17 AM - Re: Whining about the rules (Brian Lloyd)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:27 AM - A Test (FamilyGage@aol.com)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (cgalley)
5. 06:34 AM - Indicator Bulbs (FamilyGage@aol.com)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Roger Kemp)
7. 06:59 AM - Re: Indicator Bulbs (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
9. 07:18 AM - CJ For Sale (Jeff Linebaugh)
10. 07:58 AM - Re: Indicator Bulbs (FamilyGage@aol.com)
11. 08:21 AM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (ByronMFox@aol.com)
12. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (DaBear)
13. 09:01 AM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (Roger Kemp)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Brian Lloyd)
15. 09:16 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Roger Kemp)
16. 09:34 AM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Brian Lloyd)
17. 09:50 AM - Best regs in the world (Fraser, Gus)
18. 10:34 AM - Yak-List Digest (Barry Hancock)
19. 11:30 AM - Auto ignition harness and plugs (Stephen Fox)
20. 11:36 AM - Why? (Jerry Painter)
21. 11:46 AM - N2 (Jerry Painter)
22. 11:48 AM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (ByronMFox@aol.com)
23. 11:53 AM - Why? (Jerry Painter)
24. 11:57 AM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (Fraser, Gus)
25. 12:08 PM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (ByronMFox@aol.com)
26. 12:12 PM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (Stephen Fox)
27. 12:33 PM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (ByronMFox@aol.com)
28. 12:54 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest (Ernest Martinez)
29. 01:11 PM - N2 (Jerry Painter)
30. 01:24 PM - Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (Craig Payne)
31. 01:28 PM - Re: CJ For Sale (Richard Basiliere)
32. 02:08 PM - Re: CJ For Sale (Roger Kemp)
33. 02:21 PM - Re: N2 (Roger Kemp)
34. 02:41 PM - Aerobatics Invite (Fraser, Gus)
35. 02:52 PM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Roger Kemp)
36. 02:52 PM - Re: N2 (DaBear)
37. 04:24 PM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Frank Haertlein)
38. 04:36 PM - Re: Best regs in the world (Walter Lannon)
39. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (cjpilot710@aol.com)
40. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (Ernest Martinez)
41. 05:27 PM - Re: Why? (John W. Cox)
42. 05:34 PM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (cgalley)
43. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (cjpilot710@aol.com)
44. 05:43 PM - Re: N2 (cjpilot710@aol.com)
45. 05:49 PM - Re: Whining about the rules (Bruce Thomas)
46. 06:29 PM - Re: Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs (ByronMFox@aol.com)
47. 06:35 PM - Sebring Sport Expo (Ernest Martinez)
48. 06:42 PM - FAA & Warbirds, (cjpilot710@aol.com)
49. 06:53 PM - New Nanchang Dragon T-shirt (ByronMFox@aol.com)
50. 08:17 PM - Re: Aerobatics Invite (Brian Lloyd)
51. 08:21 PM - Re: N2 (Brian Lloyd)
52. 08:26 PM - Re: Why? (Brian Lloyd)
53. 08:27 PM - Re: Aerobatics Invite (Rick Basiliere)
54. 08:33 PM - Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS (Frank Haertlein)
55. 08:36 PM - Re: FAA & Warbirds, (Brian Lloyd)
56. 11:03 PM - Re: Re: Barry's Website (Sarah Tobin)
57. 11:22 PM - (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
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| Subject: | Re: Whining about the rules |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Stelwagon wrote:
> God this is getting to be a joke. You knew what the rules were when you
> bought the plane. If you think they are wrong start working to change
> them or quit whining about them.
Step one toward changing the rules is to talk about them and decide
whether the rules are acceptable or unacceptable.
Politics is emotionally charged. Unfortunately we live in a political
world and it impinges very actively on our flying activity. The
excessive deployment of TFRs and the ADIZ inside the borders of the US
seriously affect our ability to fly as we would wish. We are not free to
say 'no' to the FAA or DHS and go on about our business as we would see
fit. We own property, our Yaks and CJs, but we are not free to operate
them as we would see fit even though our operations are no threat and no
impact on any non-participants.
I understand and resonate with Frank's frustration. The situation we are
in with regard to our aircraft is like the man who suffers from a
debilitating disease. He espouses the view that he is thankful that he
is not dead but if we take a step back we see that he is not healthy
either. With each stroke of the FAA's or DHS's pen we are closer to
'dead' but we are still 'not dead'. 'Not dead' is better than 'dead' but
it is a heck of a lot worse than 'healthy'.
The aforementioned organizations, i.e. RPA, EAA, and AOPA, have taken
the stand that they are preserving our 'not dead' status. But they have
not managed to preserve our 'healthy' status. How do we do that? I am
not sure. But somehow I get a sense that accepting the FAA's "right" to
make the rules is part of the problem. The government is supposed to be
our servant, not our master. Administrative law is supposed to be
subservient to statutory or Constitutional law. I believe this is where
the problem lies and it is much deeper than getting a change to our LoLs.
There is actually a law on the books making it a felony for an agent of
the government to use his or her power in a capricious manner. I think
it is very telling that I have never seen this law exercised even though
we have all seen capricious and malicious use of power by agents of the
government. The FAA's treatment of Bob Hoover and Bill Bainbridge (B&C
Specialties) is a perfect example of what I am saying. Both of these men
were persecuted by individuals within the FAA and the people doing the
persecution suffered no penalty for their actions. This clearly breeds
the attitude within the FAA that they are free to do whatever they want
to do with impunity. I suspect this holds true in other agencies. I know
it does within BATF and appears to within agencies like EPA and IRS as well.
But your point is well taken. If one is not willing to take action one
should not continually bother those who don't care. OTOH, if the whining
raises the attention level of others from 'don't care' to 'care' then
the whining has served a purpose toward getting things changed.
Personally I hate politics and I hate dealing with things on Capitol
Hill. I want to be left alone to fly and to enjoy my life as I see fit.
But everywhere I turn I find myself more and more restricted in the
things that I want to do that otherwise have no effect whatsoever on
anyone else. I am beginning to feel that I may have no choice but to
become active in trying to actively progress back toward 'healthy'.
As much as I might hate to admit it, Frank Haertlein and I are on the
same side of this one.
And sometimes even flying doesn't free us from the tyranny.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Ok Ron. You keep doing what your doing and interpreting the Order and your
ops limits any way you want to.
Obviously you believe the only limitation is you can't go to foreign
countries. I'd like to suggest you contact either your local FSDO inspector
or the EAA or both and ask them if that is the only restriction and also
what the term EVENT means by the FAA's definition.
Are you implying your aircraft does not have an airworthiness certificate?
Just because it says "special airworthiness certificate" doesn't change the
fact that it is an airworthiness certificate.
Personally, I could care less where you go with your airplane. My main
concern is that we don't bring attention to our Exhibition category
airplanes by abusing the rules under which our aircraft received their
airworthiness certificate.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> We have been through this before and you can't seem to grasp that FAA
> order 8130.2F only applies to people who want an airworthiness
> certificate. It has no legal standing whatsoever for people who have an
> airworthiness certificate. The ops limits apply to an aircraft holding an
> airworthiness certificate. FAA orders specify what goes on the ops limits
> when you get them, but changing the orders doesn't change what the
> previously-certified planes can do.
>
> And yes I can go see my grandmother if I send the FAA a fax because there
> is an "event" that happens to be taking place whereever she lives whenever
> I want to go. Events are what experimental-exhibition planes are for. If
> you're not any better at finding "events" than you are at interpreting the
> regs, then I presume your flying is considerably more limited than mine.
>
> The only real limitation is that you can't go to foreign countries and
> that's an ICAO thing rather than an FAA thing.
>
> Lazarus Long was right.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:01 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
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>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
>> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> Really Ron? What does the FAA Order 8130.2F (or its predecessors) say
>> with regards to "..you can go anywhere you want if you put it on your
>> program letter or fax the FSDO." Are you saying that if you want to go
>> visit your grandmother and she lives outside of your 300 NM proficiency
>> area, all you have to do is either have "going to visit my grandmother in
>> Anytown, USA" on you annual program letter or send a FAX to your FSDO
>> saying "going to visit my grandmother in Anytown, USA"?
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 10:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>
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>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> It's easy to make rules that apply to activities in the future and
>>> considerably harder, legally and public relations wise, to take away
>>> something that has already been granted. That's why yesterday's rules
>>> apply to yesterday's airplanes and today's rules apply to airplanes
>>> certified today and henceforth.
>>>
>>> The rules on certifying a plane include the operating limits that will
>>> apply to the plane. The rules on certifying a plane have nothing to do
>>> with planes that already have an airworthiness certificate. Could you
>>> quote a particular chapter and verse of the constitution that you think
>>> this violates?
>>>
>>> Besides that, you can go anywhere you want if you put it on your program
>>> letter or fax the FSDO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 7:08 PM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>>
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>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>>>
>>>> Yakkers;
>>>> I'm asking WHY should some of us be "Grandfathered" into no flight
>>>> restrictions for Experimental Exhibition registered aircraft
>>>> (pre-moratorium) and others with the exact same plane be limited with
>>>> FAA
>>>> restrictions like the no flight past a 300 mile limit rule? What the
>>>> hell
>>>> were these pointy headed FAA bureaucrats thinking? Where do they get
>>>> off
>>>> letting some have all the freedoms they want while restricting others?
>>>> It
>>>> seems like an unacceptable and unequal application of the law. I seem
>>>> to
>>>> remember somewhere that all laws have to be equally administered or
>>>> they are
>>>> unconstitutional. And why put that restriction on us anyways? What
>>>> pointy
>>>> headed bureaucrat thought of that one and why? I suggest we, as RPA
>>>> members,
>>>> use our clout to get rid of this unconstitutional and bullshit set of
>>>> regulations!
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> "All proficiency/practice flights shall be conducted within the
>>>> geographical
>>>> area described in the applicant's program letter and any amendments to
>>>> that
>>>> letter, but that area will not exceed 300 nautical miles of the
>>>> aircraft's
>>>> home base airport. An exception is permitted for proficiency flying
>>>> outside
>>>> of the area stated above for organized formation flying, training, or
>>>> checkout in conjunction with a specific event listed in the applicant's
>>>> program letter (or amendments). The program letter should indicate the
>>>> location and dates for this proficiency flying."
>>>>
>>>> OOOHHHH............But if you're "grandfathered" and one of the
>>>> "special
>>>> ones" you don't have to do this even though you own the exact same
>>>> airplane.
>>>> What a crock of shit these bureaucrats have done to us! What the hell
>>>> gives
>>>> them the right to unilaterally declare the exact same planes different?
>>>> F'in
>>>> bastards!
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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This is a test. Have not be able to post on our site.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You are correct about the government entities.
I thought I was helping Frank and all I got was a demand like I was his
servant. "Shoot the messenger" type of response. I had no part in the entire
problem that the FAA created. I just tried to explain it the best I could in
a helpful way. Obviously that didn't assuage Frank on his mission.
Cy Galley - Chair,
Air Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> cgalley wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>
>> Whoa! I did some research and now you are demanding a reason? Get
>> Real! I thought I did you a favor. Thanks a bunch!
>>
>> As I remember the FAA wanted to stop ALL importation of all third world
>> non-certified airplanes. The EAA got the ban lifted with restrictions.
>> With out the restrictions, no imports, period.
>>
>> You should thank those that made it possible for you to have your plane.
>
> Cy, funny as it seems but with this I have to agree with Frank. In the
> case of firearms and flying (and probably a lot of other stuff that I
> don't pay attention to) there is a steady erosion of "privileges".
> Organizations like the EAA, AOPA, and NRA act as if they have won
> something when the feds take away 100% and then negotiate back 90% when
> in fact the reality is that we have lost, not gained anything. It seems
> that minimizing loss is perceived as some kind of win. And the
> assumption on the part of the governmental agencies is that they have
> the right to do this.
>
> The government of the United States of America was created to "serve"
> the needs of the people. That is what the Constitution says. But if you
> deal with the various agencies it is their belief that we serve them.
>
> Case in point: the California DOT is thinking about closing Cameron Park
> airport where I have my airplane. Why? Because there are trees and
> things that impinge on the 20:1 zone. This is supposed to be a safety
> issue. Except there has never been an accident at this airport. It
> doesn't matter that there is clear evidence that there is no problem.
> The rules are the rules with no appeal. The people in the DOT don't care.
>
> So the FAA wanted to stop all importation of foreign aircraft. Maybe we
> should be able to throw them in jail infringing on our rights and
> privileges.
>
> There is a very interesting book that deals with this topic historically
> only as applied to firearms instead of aircraft (although GA does appear
> prominently). I strongly recommend "Unintended Consequences" by John
> Ross. Interesting reading.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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Gentlemen:
During the discussion of replacement bulbs for Yak-52W gear and flap lights,
I must have misread the GE bulb#. I ordered a dozen GE-313 bulbs which were
28v but they were too large to fit the sockets.
Would someone please give me the correct bulb #.
Look forward to seeing everyone at Waycross!
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Well gang away for a day and 51 emails. Almost all on the FAA. Well guys from having
to do something similar here in Lower Alabama not aviation related, you
need a political action group.
So, you want to change things? You need to get organized and hire a Lobbist. Yes,
I said a Lobbist! The way you get things changed on Capital Hill is to form
a PAC (political action group), belly up to the bar with your bucks, and pay
your lobbist (a nice percentage) to spread your bucks around the transportation
commitee. That way attention will be given to your plight.
You are correct, they do look at the number of people willing to contribute money
to the cause. They look at what was donated to PAC by who. Then they give credance
to your plight!
That $1000 donation someone spoke of giving to their local congressionalrepresentative,
given by yourself was spitting in the wind. They took it..oh yes! Did
it make a difference, not for you it did not! Did help his/her re-election coffer
though!
A lobbist... the legal form of bribery! You got to pay if you want to change the
way you play! Little bucks don't talk...BIG BUCKS do!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
>From: fish@aviation-tech.com
>Sent: Jan 11, 2006 5:13 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
>Frank & Group,
>
>The thing to do is to join organizations like RPA, CJAA, EAA & AOPA.
>
>If all RPA members are menbers of EAA, the RPA could set EAA Policy and prority.
>Then if all EAA members were members of AOPA, the EAA could help sway AOPA proirity.
>It becomes a snowball effect where the numbers look larger then they are. (Example
>RPA's (300 members) are also members of EAA. They then help set EAA policy and
>goals using the clout of EAA (5000, members), to influnance AOPA (300,000 members)
>goals and clout.)
>
>That is how small groups get there laws passed against the majority who does
>not care or pay attention. Politicians worry about numbers of people who vote(last
>election less then 30% of registered voters, voted).
>
>Fly Safe
>John Fischer
>
>
>>> ----Original Message Follows----
>>> From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:24:23 -0500
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>>
>>> You are very funny.
>>>
>>> AOPA has over 300,000 members. They are one of the biggest "aviation
>>> lobby" organizations. A key part of their lobby agenda is to get rid of
>
>>> pop up TFRs and reduce/eliminate the ADIZ around DC. Now they are about
>
>>> 1% of the US population and they can't get movement.
>>>
>>> RPA has approximately 300 members. We are about 0.000001% of the US
>>> population. If you think we have ANY real lobby power with the federal
>>> government, (without a couple million to buy a few congress critters),
>>> you have received a serious head injury and you should immediately seek
>>> advanced medical care. I don't know anyone who has a warbird, that
>>> likes the current program letter issue, however it really isn't a big
>>> deal to comply and fly where ever you want (For those non-jet warbirds)
>>> by just sending the FAA a fax.
>>>
>>> DaBear
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank Haertlein wrote:
>>>
>>> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>> >
>>> >Yakkers
>>> >
>>> >AOPA......................
>>> >EAA.......................
>>> >NRA.......................
>>> >Warbirds of America ......
>>> >CJAA .....................
>>> >The Sierra Club ..........
>>> >CRPA .....................
>>> >AARP .....................
>>> >AMA ......................
>>> >AFL-CIO ..................
>>> >Sport Fisherman's Assoc...
>>> >American Hunter...........
>>> >NOW.......................
>>> >
>>> >And a thousand other organizations.........
>>> >
>>> >All have political representation to look out for their interests.
>>> >
>>> >RPA ?????????
>>> >
>>> >Vote in the following poll
>>> >
>>> >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=776
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >If your warbird is more than 800 horsepower you may only take off and
>>> >land
>>> >from your home airport.
>>> >
>>> >If your warbird is a jet you may only take off and land from your home
>>> >airport.
>>> >
>>> >You may not operate your aircraft more than 300 nautical miles from your
>
>>> >home airport.
>>> >
>>> >You must submit a program letter every year.
>>> >
>>> >To deviate from the above you must FAX the FAA for each instance.
>>> >
>>> >These are actual FAA rule. I'm asking what FAA genius thought them up and
>
>>> >why?
>>> >
>>> >Don't you want to change stupid rules like these?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Indicator Bulbs |
I use 327's Ray. If the original bulbs are the Russian bulbs, they won't fit.
You'll have to make a sleeve for the 327's using the Russian bulb by breaking
out the glass and removing the material inside the case. Then you can slide
the 327's inside the Russian bulb and then into the original lamp socket.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: FamilyGage@aol.com
To: Yak-List-Digest@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:33 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Indicator Bulbs
Gentlemen:
During the discussion of replacement bulbs for Yak-52W gear and flap lights,
I must have misread the GE bulb#. I ordered a dozen GE-313 bulbs which were 28v
but they were too large to fit the sockets.
Would someone please give me the correct bulb #.
Look forward to seeing everyone at Waycross!
Ray Gage
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| Subject: | POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
Frank,
Brian Lloyd's explanation of how the govt. works... especially concerning
paperwork, is of course dead on accurate, and there is no refuting his
explanation.
Next, having been associated or involved with our Govt. for the last 36
years or so, there is one rule that I have learned that I apply every day:
"It is always easier to beg for forgiveness than it is to ask for
permission."
Now there are some obvious dangers when applying this rule to the FAA, but I
still think it applies. NEVER call any person in Govt. and ask them for
permission to do ANYTHING. The answer will always be "NO", because it is
usually the SAFE answer and is less likely to get the person being asked
into any kind of trouble, and that is always their main concern.
The suggestion of generating the "Program List from Hell" so that you are
always on the way to, or from, someplace... is an especially good
suggestion..... I am going to follow that one myself.
Lastly, I have my "AMENDMENT TO PROGRAM LETTER" form stored in my computer.
I bring it up, type in just the destination of where I want to go, and my
computer faxes it to the FAA automatically. It's a 15 second process. I
send them in even when I am NOT going anyplace! The more the merrier. I
intentionally OVERLOAD the FSDO with these things... over and over and over
again. Why? Because I also know that the guy getting them will become so
darn tired of receiving that crap and having to refill the paperbin on his
FAX, that eventually he will just start throwing them away. Works every
time. Then... someday when I go someplace and do not BOTHER sending the
FAX.... if for some weird reason they call me and say: "YOU WERE SEEN OVER
300 MILES FROM BASE AND WE DID NOT GET A FAX", I can look at them all
innocent like and say: "Well gee, I sent it, you must have lost it... have
you gotten any others from me in the past? How many by the way?" The
answer to THAT question will make them look stupid and they will know that
and drop the issue like a hot rock.
Yes, I have heard people pound the table claiming that there must be an
OFFICIAL EVENT for the destination I am listing... but I have sent a whole
lost of AMENDMENTS in and have yet to hear of anyone being called by the FAA
to ask about it. In this case, once again the above rule applies. Fight
the FAA only what you have no other choice... never fight them just to tilt
at the darn windmill, even if it does make you feel better.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Ron, you're right when you said........ "Besides that, you can go anywhere
you want if you put it on your program
letter or fax the FSDO".
You're right, I can go anywhere I want "provided I submit a FAX to the FAA".
But it's a hassle to have to do it all the time. I don't like it but most of
all don't see what purpose it serves. What good does it do for the FAA to
get all these FAX's all the time? I've yet to hear a good explanation for
this requirement.
Frank
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If anyone is interested in a nice CJ-6 with a nearly new M14P, I have mine
for sale...
Check out our website for more info, or feel free to contact me off-list:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
Thanks,
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Indicator Bulbs |
Dennis:
Thanks for your help.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barry@flyredstar.org writes:
The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY talented
guy.
In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo, and
have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> barry@flyredstar.org writes:
>
> The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY talented
> guy.
>
> In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo,
> and have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
Steve HELP!
I just got an image of Blitz as a MUCH older Johnny Depp (Pirates in the
Caribbean) and I can't get it out of my mind. How do you deal with your
father like this?
DaBear
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Drink heavily and Often,
Dogamatic Viper Doc (DVD for short)
-----Original Message-----
>From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2006 10:42 AM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Barry's Website
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
>ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>> barry@flyredstar.org writes:
>>
>> The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY talented
>> guy.
>>
>> In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo,
>> and have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
>
>Steve HELP!
>
>I just got an image of Blitz as a MUCH older Johnny Depp (Pirates in the
>Caribbean) and I can't get it out of my mind. How do you deal with your
>father like this?
>
>DaBear
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cgalley wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> You are correct about the government entities.
>
> I thought I was helping Frank and all I got was a demand like I was his
> servant. "Shoot the messenger" type of response. I had no part in the
> entire problem that the FAA created. I just tried to explain it the best
> I could in a helpful way. Obviously that didn't assuage Frank on his
> mission.
I know Cy. I know what you were trying to say and I also understand
Frank's frustration. When one is feeling that level of frustration a lot
of what gets said feels like negativity directed at the recipient of the
discussion. He's bent and you inadvertently caught the backlash.
Then there is the, "hey, if you abuse the spirit of the rule the FAA
might take notice and come after me too," point of view. Do you know
just how sad that sounds? It makes me think of that old joke:
Q: How fast do you have to run to get away from an angry bear that is
chasing you?
A: Faster than your buddy.
What I think we *really* want is to find a way to tame or kill the bear
so that it doesn't ever chase me or anyone else again.
And on the practical matter, the inspector at my FSDO was the one who
suggested that I fill my program letter with events all over the country
so that I can be "enroute" to an event no matter where I am or what I am
doing. It eliminated the need for faxes at the expense of a little more
time writing up my program letter. Just don't list an event in
California on Saturday and an event in Virginia the next day. That looks
awfully silly.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
-----Original Message-----
>And on the practical matter, the inspector at my FSDO was the one who
>suggested that I fill my program letter with events all over the country
>so that I can be "enroute" to an event no matter where I am or what I am
>doing. It eliminated the need for faxes at the expense of a little more
>time writing up my program letter. Just don't list an event in
>California on Saturday and an event in Virginia the next day. That looks
>awfully silly.
>
Well, that is an interesting way to skin the cat.
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> The way you get things changed on Capital Hill is to
> form a PAC (political action group), belly up to the bar with your
> bucks, and pay your lobbist (a nice percentage) to spread your bucks
> around the transportation commitee. That way attention will be given
> to your plight. You are correct, they do look at the number of people
> willing to contribute money to the cause. They look at what was
> donated to PAC by who. Then they give credance to your plight! That
> $1000 donation someone spoke of giving to their local
> congressionalrepresentative, given by yourself was spitting in the
> wind. They took it..oh yes! Did it make a difference, not for you it
> did not! Did help his/her re-election coffer though! A lobbist... the
> legal form of bribery! You got to pay if you want to change the way
> you play! Little bucks don't talk...BIG BUCKS do!
Hey Doc, my father is a retired member of the House of Representatives.
he is now a "consultant" to companies looking to be heard by their
representatives. I actually know quite a bit about this subject, having
been involved with it for only a little less time than I have been
flying (35 vs. 37 years).
The funny thing is just how ineffective the high-priced lobbyists are.
Oh they get in the door and they make things look good to their clients
but they don't actually accomplish much. Most are just a sink for their
clients' money. If you have the time you can be more effective running
your own lobbying effort. The key thing is to understand quid-pro-quo
and show the congress critter how you can help him/her with what she
wants as well. That is the hard part. My father is extremely effective
at this because he has a fair bit of political capital saved up and he
knows whose quid to quo.
For example, when the "guns in the cockpit" thing came up after 9/11, he
went to Norm Minetta as he and Norm are friends and were congress
critters together. His lobbying effort was very effective. We even
arranged to have Norm's son, and airline pilot, go through training at
Front Sight and then report back to his father on the quality and
effectiveness of the training. Very few lobbyists can do something like
that.
(It is funny tho' just how anti-gun this administration is. Or maybe it
is not so funny. I think it is hilarious when they point out that they
are more of a friend to the gun owner than the opposition as they court
the vote of the NRA members. But I digress.)
You are right that campaigns cost more and an amount that was hugely
significant 20 years ago is considered modest today. Still, you would
also be amazed at how far a large personal donation goes. It will
definitely get the member's time if you ask for it. The major reason
that pilots get short shrift is that most are apolitical and the
politicians know it.
And above all these people want to be reelected.
So, what is the goal here? I know what I want. I want the agencies
reined in until they are "public servants" again, not "public masters,"
but that is a tall order. That will take more than the RPA and a lobbyist.
Oh, and you will find that your elected official will not go head-on
against an agency. Remember that the way we get administrative law is
that the legislative branch creates general law and then leaves it up to
the agency to fill in the fiddling details. Administrative law is the
fiddling details. No congress critter is going to rise up in righteous
indignation over your LoL. What they will rise up in righteous
indignation over is the wholesale unfair treatment at the hands of an
agency out of control.
So how do you prove that? They are going to have a hearing and at one
point ask about certification for aircraft like ours and the counsel for
the FAA will have a good, plausible-sounding explanation. What is our
response going to be? How will changing the LoL improve safety and save
money? If we could prove that the FAA discards our faxes then we have a
point that indicates that they don't really care. You could probably get
the congress to "ask a favor" of the agency, "in light of the paperwork
reduction act, yadda yadda," and get rid of the requirement for FAX
notification. Perhaps. Lots of work there.
But it doesn't do anything to really solve the problem -- governmental
abuse of power.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Best regs in the world |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
See while our (FAA) regs may be a pile of s&
t, they are the best pile of
s
&t you can get, Read below :-
From: <aboyd@qnx.com>
Subj: [Acro] Acro Videos, etc
Size: 1K
We're busy trying to get four pilots trained up and qualified, but we've hit
a minor snag.
One of our pilots had heart bypass surgery, and our local Feds (Transport
Canada) are saying that it's medically unsafe to fly aerobatics after heart
bypass surgery.
We asked them what data they had, and their reply was "none". We pointed
out to them that in the USA, the FAA permitted aerobatics after heart bypass
surgery, and Transport Canada replied "We don't care about the FAA".
We really don't want to let Transport Canada set a precedent like this, on
no evidence - in fact, ignoring the evidence - so we're off the Tribunal to
argue this.
If you - or someone else you know - has had heart bypass surgery, and went
on to fly aerobatics on his FAA medical, I'd appreciate it if you could send
me an email with his or her name, so that I could present a list of American
pilots to the Tribunal who had heart bypass surgery, had got their FAA
medicals back, and went on to fly aerobatics without medical complications
from their heart surgery. I don't want to violate anyone's privacy, though!
Thanks in advance,
--
aboyd ATP www.pittspecials.com/movies/outsideloop.wmv
Acro mailing list
Acro@aerobatics.ws
http://acro.aerobatics.ws/iac_exploder.html
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jan 11, 2006, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> This is getting rediculous, I have had to delete 8 gazillion emails
> from my machine in just the last 24 hours, on absolute
The digest version takes care of that, Ernie...just one delete a day!
What kills me is folks that don't erase the unnecessary portion of the
original email they're responding to...they just hit 'reply' type a few
words, and send a 20k file that has 2k, if that, of relevant info....
times that by 20 and you have a Digest printout that is 25
pages...with only 4 pages worth of relevant responses...
Kinda like this....sorry to pick on you Cy, it was the easiest one for
me to find... ;)
Cheers,
Barry
+++++++++++
________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
Time: 04:37:29 AM PST US
From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Yes, it is an OWT! It doesn't need to be repeated regardless of how the
oxygen is being used.
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> As you say, all oxygen comes from the same lox bottle. But you will
> find
> many people believe otherwise.
> Why do you say welding oxygen has to be more pure? I'd guess that well
> over 90% of "welding oxygen" is used for cutting, where the quality
> hardly
> matters. Most of the rest would be used for brazing, and a small
> amount
> for gas welding.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>
>> Ron, Your statement about welding oxygen might have been tongue in
>> cheek
>> but the facts are Welding oxygen has to be the most pure of the three
>> common specs. Aviators breathing is next followed by I believe.
>> medical.
>> In reality ALL oxygen at this time is fractionally distilled from
>> liquid
>> air. We are talking temps over 100 BELOW zero. Not possible for any
>> water to be in any of the three, so that when used for medicinal
>> purposes, it is sometime bubbled thru a water bath for the patient.
>> So
>> you can fill your supplemental oxygen from any of these three but
>> cheapest is the same as the most expensive. Welding oxygen works fine
>> but
>> if Medicare is paying, get it from the medical house.
>>
>> Cy Galley
>> EAA Safety Programs Editor
>> Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Air flows from high pressure to low, and there are spring loaded
>>> check
>>> valves throughout the filling systems that keep "equalized" pressure
>>> from ever really being equal. Even without them, no system fills the
>>> "empty" tank to a higher pressure than the supply (it's a physics
>>> thing)
>>> so it then starts flowing the other way.
>>>
>>> Your're right, you can't be too safe. That's why many people buy
>>> AVIATORS breathing oxygen instead of that nasty old welding oxygen
>>> (cynicism alert- if you're gullible stop reading now) which is full
>>> of
>>> water/oil/bugs/cat entrails.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <fish@aviation-tech.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 5:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>>>>
>>>> Yaksters,
>>>>
>>>> I can not beleive that a fire dept, will allow there cylinder to
>>>> connect to
>>>> your system. This is dangerous!
>>>>
>>>> Once the pressure equilizes, the air can possably backflow into
>>>> there
>>>> tanks.
>>>> at this point there tanks are contaminated, and cannot be used for
>>>> breathing
>>>> air until they are checked and cleaned. That is why you leave some
>>>> pressure
>>>> in cylinders to keep them from becoming contaminated.
>>>>
>>>> I would also have some concern about filling tanks at a shop as the
>>>> same thing
>>>> can happen to their systems. Once the pressure equilizes form their
>>>> tanks to
>>>> yours, there system will become contaminated.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard to many stories about divers who had problems with
>>>> thier
>>>> air air
>>>> (compressors need to be maintained also), which sometimes leads to
>>>> contaminated
>>>> air. That I would be rather error on the side of safety when it
>>>> comes
>>>> to breating
>>>> air (compressed or Oxygen).
>>>>
>>>> Fly Safe
>>>> John fischer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> SCUBA to commie airplane adapters can be ordered from my former
>>>>> partner
>>>>>> at
>>>> L39ZAparts@hotmail.com unless the Kazakistan warrants caught up with
>>>>> him.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I defer to your experience, which is probably more recent than
>>>>> mine.
>>>>> In
>>>>>> the
>>>> mining industry, NIOSH allows only certified systems. Our safety
>>>>> engineers
>>>> determined that using a part (cylinder) from MSA on a >regulator
>>>> from
>>>> Scott
>>>> constituted an uncertified "system". They were >fanatics about
>>>> things
>>>> like
>>>> that, not like FAA un-approved parts regs.
>>>>>
>>>>> At another job, we changed from Scott to a German-built system,
>>>>>> Interspiro
>>>> perhaps. My recollection is that those fittings were >incompatible
>>>> with the
>>>> existing filling fittings, but I wouldn't swear to >it. It was many
>>>> years ago.
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Richard Basiliere
>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 9:49 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI on the firefighter SCBA fittings. They are "all" standard GCA
>>>>>> Universal
>>>> threaded fittings. Survivair, Scott, MSA, all the same. If >we
>>>> have a
>>>> big
>>>> "event" multiple agencies will be "invited" and we need to >be able
>>>> to
>>>> fill
>>>> our bottles from other Fire Dept compressors or cascade >systems.
>>>> I'd
>>>> love
>>>> to have the SCBA adapter to Russian airplane - the >SCBA bottles
>>>> are a
>>>> dime
>>>> a dozen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectfully, rick b
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> L39parts@hotmail.com 1/8/2006 8:05:27 AM >>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Brown" <L39parts@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the US, firemen's SCBA bottle fittings vary with the
>>>>> manufacturer.
>>>>>> SCUBA
>>>>
>>>>> diving bottles use a standard fitting, but there are a lot of
>>>>> airports >in
>>>>
>>>>> the US that are a long ways from the ocean and quite possibly a
>>>>> long
>>>>>> ways
>>>>
>>>>> from a dive shop. Another problem is that most US airports don't
>>>>> have >a
>>>>
>>>>> fire department on the field.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>>>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 1:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Hans Oortman" <pa3arw@euronet.nl>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing we carry around during a trip in our Yak52 is a
>>>>> hose, >which
>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> had made especially for this purpose, with on one side an adapter
>>>>>> which
>>>>
>>>>>> goes
>>>>>> on the plane and on the other side an adapter with release valve
>>>>>> which
>>>>
>>>>>> goes
>>>>>> on a scuba dive bottle. In Europe this is a standardized
>>>>>> connector,
>>>>>> i.e.,
>>>>
>>>>>> these scuba dive bottles have the same connector as all air
>>>>>> bottles
>>>>>> used
>>>>
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the fire brigades at airfields/airports and what have you.
>>>>>> There is always a nice fire fighter at an airport or airfield who
>>>>>> wants
>>>> to
>>>>>> give you a hand to charge your air bottle in the plane with one of
>>>>>> his.
>>>>
>>>>>> Be aware though: these bottles have 200 bars (and nowadays even
>>>>>> 300
>>>>>> bars),
>>>>
>>>>>> so open them very slowly. We are using this method since years
>>>>>> already
>>>> and
>>>>>> it works perfectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>> Yak52 pilot from Holland
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>> Van: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] Namens Roger Doc Kemp
>>>>>> Verzonden: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 20:17
>>>>>> Aan: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>> Onderwerp: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
>>>>>> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gus,
>>>>>> Send me pictures of your tank. I am using a pony tank for backup.
>>>>>> viperdoc@mindspring.com
>>>>>> Doc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [Original Message]
>>>>>>> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>>>>> Date: 1/3/2006 8:04:12 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to carry the adapter around with me but recently I have
>>>>>> changed.
>>>> I
>>>>>>> now carry a paintball gun tank. It is a 4500 pound tank with a
>>>>>> regulator
>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> 800psi on the output. Paintball is the fastest growing extreme
>>>>>> sport
>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> US and shops for this are popping up all over the place if I need
>>>>> a
>>>>>> refill.
>>>>>>> The tank is about a foot long and about 4 inches around so takes
>>>>> up >
>>>>
>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>> space. I can send pictures if anyone is interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon
>>>>> Boede
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:07 PM
>>>>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air bottles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a SCUBA to "red star" hose that flies with my airplane...
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>> used
>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be concerned about running out of air but then I discovered
>>>>>> something:
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>>>>>>> When primed up good, when the weather is above 40F, hand-propping
>>>>>> the
>>>> CJ
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> really quite easy. It WANTS to start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once you get over any trepidation about hand propping it, the
>>>>> SCUBA
>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>> is really the backup to the backup. Carrying extra air around
>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>> something that would have "saved the day", at lease at so far,
>>>>>> after
>>>>
>>>>>>> 1,200
>>>>>>> hours.
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>>>>>>> Jon
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>>>>>>>> I have a standard type SCUBA bottle in my hangar and I carry
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> SCUBA fitting with on a cross country for emergency. Not many
>>>>>> places
>>>>
>>>>>>>> you cannot borrow or rent a SCUBA bottle for an emergency. A
>>>>>> schraeder
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>>>>>> the
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>>>>>> worth
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>>>>>> fitting
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>>>>>> to
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>>>>>>> the dirt out with AN929-4 cap.
>>>>>>>> However as Craig says hand propping is not that difficult. To
>>>>>> make
>>>> it
>>>>>>>> safer I bleed off all the air then chock the airplane as you
>>>>>> will
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
I know others have posted on this subject before, but I couldn't
resist singing the praises of this conversion! I just completed
putting Dennis's auto ignition harness and auto spark plugs in my 52
and granted this is first blush, but what a difference! The first
time we started her up she fired up faster than it ever has, After
warm- up, which I let go a bit longer than usual just see if any of
the plugs would foul, this was the norm on my 52 thus giving me a mag
drop on either 1 or 2 never the same mag twice in a row, nada, barely
a burble on the needle. Flying home today I almost forgot I was in a
YAK, smooth running would be an understatement.
I also want to thank Jim, Phil, Mike and the rest of the crew at
A.E.R.O. Aircraft Services in Laconia, NH for their assistance,
expertise etc in helping me or rather me helping them do this
conversion and making sure it was done right the first time. (http://
www.aeroaircraft.com)
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an
F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we
get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for $30K--and some for way less than
that--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were
allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff,
foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was
finessed. Sure surprised me.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders
from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because
of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing
business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for
a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to
mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second
list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our
friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in
there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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I haven't given this much thought, so please bear with me. Logic tells me
that in order for the air start to turn the engine it has to be injected
ATDC on the power stroke. The combustion mixture is already in the cylinder
ready to ignite, so it ought to fire regardless of the presence of incoming
air or N2. All you need is spark. Since the cylinder is purged on the
exhaust stroke, continued cranking would be immaterial.
No?
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
In a message dated 1/12/06 11:32:14 AM, jsfox@adelphia.net writes:
> I know others have posted on this subject before, but I couldn't
> resist singing the praises of this conversion! I just completed=A0
> putting Dennis's auto ignition harness and auto spark plugs in my 52=A0
> and granted this is first blush, but what a difference!
>
Has someone (Bill Blackball or somebody else?) developed a similar conversion
for the CJ's House 285? I'm jealous of Steve's effervescing. Thanks, Blitz
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Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed an
F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain and we
get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for under $30K--and some for way
under--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were
allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of stuff,
foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but that was
finessed. Sure surprised me. FAA was almost nothing by comparison.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor gliders
from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big container because
of the long wings but the containers were nearly empty. A guy I was doing
business with in CZ asked if he could put a few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked for a
list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list failed to
mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives me a second
list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing to cement our
friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a pair of 50 cal in
there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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| Subject: | Auto ignition harness and plugs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I can confirm that this mod is awesome. I had mine done for me by Kirby
Chambliss no less at the nationals in September and am VERY happy with my
smooth running engine. Before fitting we asked Sergey Boriak and he said
that he had it in his SU-31 and had done for years and loved it, and if you
have flown with him you will know how hard he treats anything mechanical :))
Just ask the Velox owner that he test flew for :))
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Fox
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Auto ignition harness and plugs
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
I know others have posted on this subject before, but I couldn't resist
singing the praises of this conversion! I just completed putting Dennis's
auto ignition harness and auto spark plugs in my 52 and granted this is
first blush, but what a difference! The first time we started her up she
fired up faster than it ever has, After
warm- up, which I let go a bit longer than usual just see if any of the
plugs would foul, this was the norm on my 52 thus giving me a mag drop on
either 1 or 2 never the same mag twice in a row, nada, barely a burble on
the needle. Flying home today I almost forgot I was in a YAK, smooth running
would be an understatement.
I also want to thank Jim, Phil, Mike and the rest of the crew at A.E.R.O.
Aircraft Services in Laconia, NH for their assistance, expertise etc in
helping me or rather me helping them do this conversion and making sure it
was done right the first time. (http://
www.aeroaircraft.com)
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
In a message dated 1/12/06 11:59:32 AM, gus.fraser@gs.com writes:
> Before fitting we asked Sergey Boriak and he said
> that he had it in his SU-31 and had done for years and loved it, and if you
> have flown with him you will know how hard he treats anything mechanical :))
> Just ask the Velox owner that he test flew for :))
>
Indeed! While I have finally got all the oil off my CJ following my 1+20 acro
lesson with Sergey a few years ago, my body has yet to recover. He and
Gennady have the same knee-bruising, highly effective Russian technique. ..Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
On Jan 12, 2006, at 2:47 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Has someone (Bill Blackball or somebody else?) developed a similar
> conversion for the CJ's House 285? I'm jealous of Steve's
> effervescing. Thanks, Blitz
I hope some one has, because you need a project. You obviously have
to much time on your hands if you are dreaming of becoming some aging
Johnny Depp in Pirates of the Caribbean. Frankly the whole visual
scares the be jeezus out of me :) However, now that I think about it
the wardrobe would fit right in out there in Marin County :)
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
In a message dated 1/12/06 12:14:37 PM, jsfox@adelphia.net writes:
> I hope some one has, because you need a project. You obviously have to much
> time on your hands if you are dreaming of becoming some aging Johnny Depp=20in
> Pirates of the=A0Caribbean. Frankly the whole visual=A0scares the be jeezus out
> of me :) However, now that I think about it the wardrobe would fit right in
> out there in Marin County :)
>
Guilt by association is patently illogical. Consider the plight of Sam Alito
at the hands of Teddy this week with the knowledge that Sam once belonged to
Concerned Alumni of Princeton. Very McCarthyesque. So, while I live in Marin,
Dave "the Hun" King is my sort of friend. ...B
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
do not archive
Actually, I like Matts new board. Its not as convienient as the email,
but you can go there and just ignore the threads you are not
interested in. I've always been against Bulletin Boards, but I'm
becoming a convert now.
Ernie
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I haven't given this much thought and I realize it's well-trod ground, but
please bear with me.
Logic tells me that in order for the air start to turn the engine the start
air or N2 has to be injected ATDC on the power stroke (the only time the
valves are closed). Otherwise, no crank.
So the events go like a so:
The first cylinder to receive cranking air/N2 (ATDC on the power stroke)
opens its start poppet valve (because of the start air 50 bar pressure--no
cam, just a weak spring) and turns the engine. The next cylinder in the
combustion sequence has been purged on its exhaust stroke and then receives
a charge of incoming (intake stroke) and then compressed (compression
stroke) combustion mixture from the carburetor (no start air/N2 yet, just
what got sucked in through the carburetor), which is now ready to ignite.
The plugs fire a few degrees ATDC (retarded start ignition timing) on the
power stroke and ignite the compressed fuel/air mixture. The small interval
between ignition and start air/N2 timing--regardless of whether ignition
occurs slightly before or after the introduction of start air/N2--means
little or no start air or N2 gets in the cylinder to interfere with
combustion. The engine starts. Combustion pressure is much greater than 50
bar, so it holds the start air valve closed and the engine runs, regardless
of whether or not you keep "cranking."
The cranking gas (as long its not a fuel) is immaterial. Shotgun shells
work just fine.
No?
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
Conversion works fine for Huosai engines too. Same plug wire lengths, interchangeable
distributor cap and rotor, etc on the Rusky and Chinese engines. Dennis
ships the Champion plugs but Delco R44F and NGK BR5H work just as well. These
are motorcyle racing plugs intended for air cooled engines operating at higher
temps and many more RPM.
You can roll your own by ordering either the 8mm Taylor wire or the 8mm Magnecor
wire in bulk. Assemble with 90 degree elbows and trim the distributor end of
wire insulation to fit into the dist. cap. It ain't science, but a good workmanship
installation is still required.
Craig Payne
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pre- or post moratorium?? Just kidding
do not archive
>>> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net 1/12/2006 8:18:08 AM >>>
If anyone is interested in a nice CJ-6 with a nearly new M14P, I have mine for
sale...
Check out our website for more info, or feel free to contact me off-list:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
Thanks,
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Do Not Archive
Pristine Pre-historic!
Kidding Jeff...you have a beautiful CJ...as CJ's go that is!!
DVD
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2006 4:27 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ For Sale
>
>pre- or post moratorium?? Just kidding
>
>do not archive
>
>>>> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net 1/12/2006 8:18:08 AM >>>
>
>If anyone is interested in a nice CJ-6 with a nearly new M14P, I have mine for
sale...
>
>Check out our website for more info, or feel free to contact me off-list:
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Jeff Linebaugh
>jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~jefflinebaugh/
>CJ-6P N621CJ
>Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>The cranking gas (as long its not a fuel) is immaterial. Shotgun shells
>work just fine.
>No?
Should work fine...as long as you leave the Bird Shot Out! Tthat's the way we used
to light our Radials in days long past.
Sorry, Could not resist..
DVD
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| Subject: | Aerobatics Invite |
OK folks it is the off season and I am sure that you are all getting your
annual done in preparation for the next flying season.
So what are you going to do next year ?
Why not SERIOUSLY consider taking that great red plane of yours to an
aerobatics contest as either a competitor of volunteer ?
In an attempt to spike your interest I have included this years primary
knowns from IAC
<<primary.pdf>>
Basically, for those that don't yet read Aresti (see
http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/ARESTI-
DICTIONARY.pdf
<http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/ARESTI
-DICTIONARY.pdf> ) , it is
1. A one turn spin.
2. A loop.
3. Half Cuban 8.
4. Roll.
5. 90 Deg turn.
All stuff you guys probably do on a Sunday afternoon, why not jump in.
Nobody expects you to be a Rick Basiliere from day one (sorry Rick) the best
bit about a competition is that you first off compete against yourself and
then against others.
And hey there is no requirement to wear a flight suit, (comment for Frank
and Brian :)) ) infact I don't see a reg that stops you from doing it in the
buff if you wish. I know that there are a few aerobatic lurkers on the list
so why not make this the year you make the leap, literally, into aerobatics,
common you know you want to..........
Even if you decide to just see what goes on find out where the contests are
from the iac web site www.iac.org <www.iac.org>
Also if you are experienced why not offer to be a "buddy" for someone who
wants to start.
And for those that refuse to fly unless it is in a pack, you can fly to the
contest together (TONGUE PLANTED RIGHT INTO MY CHEEK).
Gus Fraser
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Aerobatics Invite
OK folks it is the off season and I am sure that you are all getting your annual
done in preparation for the next flying season.
So what are you going to do next year ?
Why not SERIOUSLY consider taking that great red plane of yours to an aerobatics
contest as either a competitor of volunteer ?
In an attempt to spike your interest I have included this years primary knowns
from IAC
primary.pdf
Basically, for those that don't yet read Aresti (see http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/ARESTI-DICTIONARY.pdf) , it is
1. A one turn spin.
2. A loop.
3. Half Cuban 8.
4. Roll.
5. 90 Deg turn.
All stuff you guys probably do on a Sunday afternoon, why not jump in. Nobody expects
you to be a Rick Basiliere from day one (sorry Rick) the best bit about
a competition is that you first off compete against yourself and then against
others.
And hey there is no requirement to wear a flight suit, (comment for Frank and Brian
:)) ) infact I don't see a reg that stops you from doing it in the buff if
you wish. I know that there are a few aerobatic lurkers on the list so why not
make this the year you make the leap, literally, into aerobatics, common you
know you want to..........
Even if you decide to just see what goes on find out where the contests are from the iac web site www.iac.org
Also if you are experienced why not offer to be a buddy for someone who wants to
start.
And for those that refuse to fly unless it is in a pack, you can fly to the contest
together (TONGUE PLANTED RIGHT INTO MY CHEEK).
Gus Fraser
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2006 12:34 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>Roger Kemp wrote:
>
>> The way you get things changed on Capital Hill is to
>> form a PAC (political action group), belly up to the bar with your money...
And
Brain wrote:
>The funny thing is just how ineffective the high-priced lobbyists are.
>Oh they get in the door and they make things look good to their clients
>but they don't actually accomplish much. Most are just a sink for their
>clients' money. If you have the time you can be more effective running
>your own lobbying effort. The key thing is to understand quid-pro-quo
>and show the congress critter how you can help him/her with what she
>wants as well. That is the hard part. My father is extremely effective
>at this because he has a fair bit of political capital saved up and he
>knows whose quid to quo.
Brain,
I agree with you whole heartedly! I have gotten 10 other Doc's togather in the
past and have given the max private donation to our local Senator up for Federal
Re-election. We got 45 min of his time and he walked with 20K! Got re-elected
and we are still waiting on the help we asked for. He sends nice campagain
reminder letters of his upcoming re-election! Then one day I see him meeting with
the CEO of United Health Care...one of those photo op things. Incidentally
we are on opposite sides of the issue...United Health Care, BC/BS, and our group..But
when you made 381 k last year for an annual salary who is listening to
who? Now you know where some of your health care dollars are going! Sorry, digression
and a little hatred thrown in!
My point is unless we are prepared to shell out major bucks and go up against the
likes of Cessna, Raytheon, Boeing, ect...we are not getting anywhere with this
"Restriction". RPA's membership does not have that kind of liquid assets,IMHO.
We can battle quid pro quo all we want, but we are going to lose. We do not
have the big bucks!
I like your idea of simplly choking them to death with paper work! The more they
get the sooner they will get tired of throwing it away. FAX's that is. It is
to easy to hit delete on the computer!
DVD
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--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Jerry,
I'd agree with you based on logic. However, I've been able to start
the Housai engine on N2, but on both my M14Ps, neither would start on
N2. Can't tell you why, they just don't.
Dabear
Jerry Painter wrote:
> I haven't given this much thought and I realize it's well-trod ground,
> but please bear with me.
>
> Logic tells me that in order for the air start to turn the engine the
> start air or N2 has to be injected ATDC on the power stroke (the only
> time the valves are closed). Otherwise, no crank.
>
> So the events go like a so:
>
> The first cylinder to receive cranking air/N2 (ATDC on the power
> stroke) opens its start poppet valve (because of the start air 50 bar
> pressure--no cam, just a weak spring) and turns the engine. The next
> cylinder in the combustion sequence has been purged on its exhaust
> stroke and then receives a charge of incoming (intake stroke) and then
> compressed (compression stroke) combustion mixture from the carburetor
> (no start air/N2 yet, just what got sucked in through the carburetor),
> which is now ready to ignite. The plugs fire a few degrees ATDC
> (retarded start ignition timing) on the power stroke and ignite the
> compressed fuel/air mixture. The small interval between ignition and
> start air/N2 timing--regardless of whether ignition occurs slightly
> before or after the introduction of start air/N2--means little or no
> start air or N2 gets in the cylinder to interfere with combustion.
> The engine starts. Combustion pressure is much greater than 50 bar,
> so it holds the start air valve closed and the engine runs, regardless
> of whether or not you keep "cranking."
>
> The cranking gas (as long its not a fuel) is immaterial. Shotgun
> shells work just fine.
>
> No?
>
> Jerry Painter
> Wild Blue Aviation
> 425-876-0865
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Cy
I sent my apologies your way off list. I think I was a little misinterpreted
and by looking back on what I wrote I can see how that could happen. I
really did mean what I wrote in a good natured way.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cgalley
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
You are correct about the government entities.
I thought I was helping Frank and all I got was a demand like I was his
servant. "Shoot the messenger" type of response. I had no part in the entire
problem that the FAA created. I just tried to explain it the best I could in
a helpful way. Obviously that didn't assuage Frank on his mission.
Cy Galley - Chair,
Air Emergency Aircraft Repair
A Service Project of Chapter 75
EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> cgalley wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>
>> Whoa! I did some research and now you are demanding a reason? Get
>> Real! I thought I did you a favor. Thanks a bunch!
>>
>> As I remember the FAA wanted to stop ALL importation of all third
>> world non-certified airplanes. The EAA got the ban lifted with
>> restrictions. With out the restrictions, no imports, period.
>>
>> You should thank those that made it possible for you to have your
>> plane.
>
> Cy, funny as it seems but with this I have to agree with Frank. In the
> case of firearms and flying (and probably a lot of other stuff that I
> don't pay attention to) there is a steady erosion of "privileges".
> Organizations like the EAA, AOPA, and NRA act as if they have won
> something when the feds take away 100% and then negotiate back 90%
> when in fact the reality is that we have lost, not gained anything. It
> seems that minimizing loss is perceived as some kind of win. And the
> assumption on the part of the governmental agencies is that they have
> the right to do this.
>
> The government of the United States of America was created to "serve"
> the needs of the people. That is what the Constitution says. But if
> you deal with the various agencies it is their belief that we serve
> them.
>
> Case in point: the California DOT is thinking about closing Cameron
> Park airport where I have my airplane. Why? Because there are trees
> and things that impinge on the 20:1 zone. This is supposed to be a
> safety issue. Except there has never been an accident at this airport.
> It doesn't matter that there is clear evidence that there is no
> problem. The rules are the rules with no appeal. The people in the DOT
> don't care.
>
> So the FAA wanted to stop all importation of foreign aircraft. Maybe
> we should be able to throw them in jail infringing on our rights and
> privileges.
>
> There is a very interesting book that deals with this topic
> historically only as applied to firearms instead of aircraft (although
> GA does appear prominently). I strongly recommend "Unintended
> Consequences" by John Ross. Interesting reading.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
> .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best regs in the world |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Gus;
Before you beat up on Canada maybe you should ask some questions of your
friend who has a friend who had by-pass surgery.
For example when did he have the surgery.
Being a long in the tooth Canadian pilot I have a number of pilot friends
who have had bypass surgery and returned to flight status after a period of
time.
In one case after a quintupal by-pass back to commercial operation in six
months.
The Feds can be a pain in the ass here in many respects but in fact are no
different than the FAA or any other civil "servants".
I guess you missed Joe's post a few day's back pointiung out that us poor
downtrodden frozen Canucks can fly our CJ's, Yak's etc. anywhere in the
country at any time for any reason without sending a FAX to anyone. Yeah we
do have it tough!
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 9:50 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Best regs in the world
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> See while our (FAA) regs may be a pile of s&
t, they are the best pile of
> s
&t you can get, Read below :-
>
> From: <aboyd@qnx.com>
> Subj: [Acro] Acro Videos, etc
> Date: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:39 pm
> Size: 1K
> To: <acro@aerobatics.ws>
>
> We're busy trying to get four pilots trained up and qualified, but we've
> hit
> a minor snag.
>
> One of our pilots had heart bypass surgery, and our local Feds (Transport
> Canada) are saying that it's medically unsafe to fly aerobatics after
> heart
> bypass surgery.
>
> We asked them what data they had, and their reply was "none". We pointed
> out to them that in the USA, the FAA permitted aerobatics after heart
> bypass
> surgery, and Transport Canada replied "We don't care about the FAA".
>
> We really don't want to let Transport Canada set a precedent like this, on
> no evidence - in fact, ignoring the evidence - so we're off the Tribunal
> to
> argue this.
>
> If you - or someone else you know - has had heart bypass surgery, and went
> on to fly aerobatics on his FAA medical, I'd appreciate it if you could
> send
> me an email with his or her name, so that I could present a list of
> American
> pilots to the Tribunal who had heart bypass surgery, had got their FAA
> medicals back, and went on to fly aerobatics without medical complications
> from their heart surgery. I don't want to violate anyone's privacy,
> though!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> --
> aboyd ATP www.pittspecials.com/movies/outsideloop.wmv
>
> _______________________________________________
> Acro mailing list
> Acro@aerobatics.ws
> http://acro.aerobatics.ws/iac_exploder.html
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> barry@flyredstar.org writes:
>
> The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY talented
> guy.
>
> In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo,
> and have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
Steve HELP!
I just got an image of Blitz as a MUCH older Johnny Depp (Pirates in the
Caribbean) and I can't get it out of my mind. How do you deal with your
father like this?
DaBear
I agree!!! A handle bar mustache and pointy go-tee. Maybe an eye
patch!!!!! With that shit-eat'n grain. :))))))
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
do not archive
Still refuse to get that spell checker dontcha :)
Ernie
On 1/12/06, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > barry@flyredstar.org writes:
> >
> > The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY talented
> > guy.
> >
> > In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo,
> > and have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
>
> Steve HELP!
>
> I just got an image of Blitz as a MUCH older Johnny Depp (Pirates in the
> Caribbean) and I can't get it out of my mind. How do you deal with your
> father like this?
>
> DaBear
>
> I agree!!! A handle bar mustache and pointy go-tee. Maybe an eye
> patch!!!!! With that shit-eat'n grain. :))))))
>
> Pappy
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Jerry, you might have missed the facts while you were in prison but the
accident took place in Sacramento, CA at a Baskin & Robbins Ice Cream
parlor on a Sunday. Most of the guests were children.
The pointy heads like to stay with facts. Hope your probation has been
served by now - 35 years later. ;-)
John Cox
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Painter
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Why?
Frank,
The answer to your question is that thirty five years ago a guy stuffed
an F-86 into a hotel restaurant and killed some innocent folks.
Do something really stupid that hurts pedestrians and people complain
and we get rules.
When Soviet jets (armed MiG-21's for under $30K--and some for way
under--tanks etc.) started coming in I couldn't believe the Feds were
allowing it because I thought they had put the screws to that kind of
stuff, foreign and domestic. To be sure, ATF had to get involved, but
that was finessed. Sure surprised me. FAA was almost nothing by
comparison.
And speaking of stupidity and machine guns--I imported some motor
gliders from Czechoslovakia a few years ago. Each required a big
container because of the long wings but the containers were nearly
empty. A guy I was doing business with in CZ asked if he could put a
few "things" in the empty space.
I said no problem. When the containers arrived my customs agent asked
for a list of the contents, so I got one from my "friend." The list
failed to mention some things I expected to be in there. So, he gives
me a second list about ten times as long as the first, which did nothing
to cement our "friendship." When I finally get the containers there's a
pair of 50 cal in there--not on either list, of course.
If the Customs guys had opened the containers I would still be in
prison.
Jerry Painter
Wild Blue Aviation
425-876-0865
http://mysite.verizon.net/res0cs5r/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
I guess I wrote you back off list. I should not have been to quick to
respond. It is very difficult to write something so it conveys the real
intent of the writer. I've been trying for about 70 years with more than
occasional lapses. It takes a big man to make an apology. My hat is off to
you!
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Cy
> I sent my apologies your way off list. I think I was a little
> misinterpreted
> and by looking back on what I wrote I can see how that could happen. I
> really did mean what I wrote in a good natured way.
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cgalley
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:27 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> You are correct about the government entities.
>
> I thought I was helping Frank and all I got was a demand like I was his
> servant. "Shoot the messenger" type of response. I had no part in the
> entire
>
> problem that the FAA created. I just tried to explain it the best I could
> in
>
> a helpful way. Obviously that didn't assuage Frank on his mission.
>
> Cy Galley - Chair,
> Air Emergency Aircraft Repair
> A Service Project of Chapter 75
> EAA Safety Programs Editor - TC
> EAA Sport Pilot
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> cgalley wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cgalley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>>>
>>> Whoa! I did some research and now you are demanding a reason? Get
>>> Real! I thought I did you a favor. Thanks a bunch!
>>>
>>> As I remember the FAA wanted to stop ALL importation of all third
>>> world non-certified airplanes. The EAA got the ban lifted with
>>> restrictions. With out the restrictions, no imports, period.
>>>
>>> You should thank those that made it possible for you to have your
>>> plane.
>>
>> Cy, funny as it seems but with this I have to agree with Frank. In the
>> case of firearms and flying (and probably a lot of other stuff that I
>> don't pay attention to) there is a steady erosion of "privileges".
>> Organizations like the EAA, AOPA, and NRA act as if they have won
>> something when the feds take away 100% and then negotiate back 90%
>> when in fact the reality is that we have lost, not gained anything. It
>> seems that minimizing loss is perceived as some kind of win. And the
>> assumption on the part of the governmental agencies is that they have
>> the right to do this.
>>
>> The government of the United States of America was created to "serve"
>> the needs of the people. That is what the Constitution says. But if
>> you deal with the various agencies it is their belief that we serve
>> them.
>>
>> Case in point: the California DOT is thinking about closing Cameron
>> Park airport where I have my airplane. Why? Because there are trees
>> and things that impinge on the 20:1 zone. This is supposed to be a
>> safety issue. Except there has never been an accident at this airport.
>> It doesn't matter that there is clear evidence that there is no
>> problem. The rules are the rules with no appeal. The people in the DOT
>> don't care.
>>
>> So the FAA wanted to stop all importation of foreign aircraft. Maybe
>> we should be able to throw them in jail infringing on our rights and
>> privileges.
>>
>> There is a very interesting book that deals with this topic
>> historically only as applied to firearms instead of aircraft (although
>> GA does appear prominently). I strongly recommend "Unintended
>> Consequences" by John Ross. Interesting reading.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
>> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . .
>> .
>> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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do not archive
Still refuse to get that spell checker dontcha :)
Ernie
No. I just be my self. Warts and all. But the wife still loves me.
Pappy
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It might be technique. I didn't have any problem using N2 in mine (M-14P)
the few times I needed to. I did find if I held the throttle full open during
the start AND of course closed it to idle when she caught, she'd start fine.
Pappy
Jerry,
I'd agree with you based on logic. However, I've been able to start
the Housai engine on N2, but on both my M14Ps, neither would start on
N2. Can't tell you why, they just don't.
Dabear
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| Subject: | Re: Whining about the rules |
Gentlemen and Val,
Remember, rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools.
Bruce VH-BVT
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| Subject: | Re: Auto ignition harness and plugs |
In a message dated 1/12/2006 5:27:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
Conversion works fine for Huosai engines too. Same plug wire lengths,
interchangeable distributor cap and rotor, etc on the Rusky and Chinese engines
Many thanks, Craig. I'll contact Dennis. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Sebring Sport Expo |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I was sitting here reading my latest copy of sport aviation magazine.
Just noticed that there is an EAA sport aviation expo in Sebring this
weekend. Anybody want to fly down on Sat for the day, would be kind of
fun to show up in form, otherwise I'll go down in the spam can.
Pappy, Craig???
Ernie
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Today I sat though ground school on the Colling's B-17. My 5th years now.
In the room of 12 pilots was also an FAA FDSO guy. He's going though
chemo/radiation for lung cancer (he's was a nonsmoker). We treat him like one
of
us. In a room full of professionals, he was just that also. Being that we are
seeing this guy all the time, as he is assigned to over see our operations,
one can't help seeing the human side of such guys at times. AND he loves
being around these airplanes as much as we. We laugh tell jokes on our self's
and often confess this or that - that often cover some aspect of the subject
we love i.e. B-17, B-24, or B-25. That is how we learn.
God save us from the uncaring bureaucrat, BUT we do have some friends in
those places that are willing to help. Even sometimes go out on a limb.
Case in point. EAA's B-17 has the gear come-up on landing out CA. Who signed
off the a ferry flight half way across the US? The airplane had a broken
back from where the belly turret had gone though the roof. All four engines
had been though sudden stoppage and had temporary replacement props. The
landing gear had to be bolted down for entire flight. EAA needed to get the
ship
back to OSH for effective permanent repairs. The FAA signed off the ferry
flight.
Some say the EAA has more pull than we. Very true and may have been the
case. But these airplanes mean an awful lot to a lot of people in terms of
national pride and treasure. I like to think the FAA realizes that also.
Once a out of district FSDO guy threaten to pull my airworthiness
certificate if I ever came into his area. (details to long to cover why). I
went
to "my FSDO guy" for help. His words "Jim you belong to me, and you can fly
anywhere you want. Give me his number." Problem solved.
This year at ICAS we heard the FAA come up with some new procedure that
will actually make it easier on you at airshows. Details are still working
out, but you may be able to leave a lot of paper work at home soon.
Polly Anna? I guess and maybe not prudent. But each time I've treated
one of them like a fellow pro- I seem to find my way around a lot of
troublesome rules. Ass holes? Yes, but in my 50 years, I can count them on one
hand
and have some fingers left over.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | New Nanchang Dragon T-shirt |
Gentlemen:
The new Nanchang Dragon T-shirt is now in the on-line store. Check it out. In
stone blue at $17. (Note Chinese imperial five-toed dragon. Critical
authenticity.)
See http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=446
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
http://www.flyredstar.org/StoreCSVS/default.aspx
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| Subject: | Re: Aerobatics Invite |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Fraser, Gus wrote:
> OK folks it is the off season
Off season? Yer kiddin' right?
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
DaBear wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I'd agree with you based on logic. However, I've been able to start
> the Housai engine on N2, but on both my M14Ps, neither would start on
> N2. Can't tell you why, they just don't.
Timing, my boy. Timing.
Jerry is right on the timing of the engine. But I also think there is
something else going on WRT N2 getting into the induction system. It is
the only way I can think of that the engine wouldn't start.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
John W. Cox wrote:
> Jerry, you might have missed the facts while you were in prison but the
> accident took place in Sacramento, CA at a Baskin & Robbins Ice Cream
> parlor on a Sunday. Most of the guests were children.
And the rules changes affected what? The boob took off on the short
runway, panicked, and rotated too soon, ensuring that he would never
achieve climb speed. This was pilot-error pure and simple. You just
can't fix that with rules.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Aerobatics Invite |
Aerobatics InviteGus;
Thanks for all that. I'll buddy up with anyone who would like to. Joe
(Felix) Wilkins (took some dual from me) has done a few contests and one in
my Yak-55 (and trophied!) when his -52 was "new asphalted" into his hangar
last year. I'm working on the rest of the Colorado Yak Pac. Tumbled with
Allen Tinnes... he won a trophy (I think) at LAA last year in Primary. Even
if he did cause a little consternation when he left (flew to the boonies) to
get some more practice time after the contest began. A faux pas. We all love
you Allen.
I have been invited to practice formation, I accepted, you guys have cahones
(sp? gonads...you know) the size of watermelons. It scares me to see
airplanes that close when they are on the ground and not tied down...I
respect what you all do, it is real pretty - please try adding the last
dimension - go vertical - have more fun - be safe and get to laugh at me
when I attempt to join a formation.
BTW, you can do even Sportsman @82% :0)
Respectfully, Rick b
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:41 PM
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: Yak-List: Aerobatics Invite
OK folks it is the off season and I am sure that you are all getting your
annual done in preparation for the next flying season.
So what are you going to do next year ?
Why not SERIOUSLY consider taking that great red plane of yours to an
aerobatics contest as either a competitor of volunteer ?
In an attempt to spike your interest I have included this years primary
knowns from IAC
<<primary.pdf>>
Basically, for those that don't yet read Aresti (see
http://www.mini-iac.com/Portals/57ad7180-c5e7-49f5-b282-c6475cdb7ee7/ARESTI-
DICTIONARY.pdf) , it is
1. A one turn spin.
2. A loop.
3. Half Cuban 8.
4. Roll.
5. 90 Deg turn.
All stuff you guys probably do on a Sunday afternoon, why not jump in.
Nobody expects you to be a Rick Basiliere from day one (sorry Rick) the best
bit about a competition is that you first off compete against yourself and
then against others.
And hey there is no requirement to wear a flight suit, (comment for Frank
and Brian :)) ) infact I don't see a reg that stops you from doing it in the
buff if you wish. I know that there are a few aerobatic lurkers on the list
so why not make this the year you make the leap, literally, into aerobatics,
common you know you want to..........
Even if you decide to just see what goes on find out where the contests
are from the iac web site www.iac.org
Also if you are experienced why not offer to be a "buddy" for someone who
wants to start.
And for those that refuse to fly unless it is in a pack, you can fly to
the contest together (TONGUE PLANTED RIGHT INTO MY CHEEK).
Gus Fraser
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| Subject: | POINTY HEADED FAA ADMINISTRATORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers
I think Scott's analysis of the situation is spot on!
Let me relate some observations and facts. What I do for a living is to
measure the strength of materials, vibrate mechanical assemblies, put them
to temperature extremes or test them in in a thousand different ways to make
sure they will stand up to the rigors of the environment they will be
operating under. It is these kinds of data that the FAA uses to "certify" a
product. It is their holy grail. I'm the kind of guy who gives them that
data so I know a little about the business.
It's good to test a product in the laboratory but that isn't the only way a
product can be tested. It's possible to test a product in real world
situations and thus derive valid scientific data from that product (read
that to mean real world performance of ANY subsystem, component or even
whole aircraft). It is scientifically sound to determine the airworthiness
of a product by real world flight experience and is, in fact, the preferred
method for determining the airworthiness of a product.
Real world testing of aircraft and their systems goes on all the time at
testing centers like Edwards AFB. The military will not accept an aircraft
for production until it has undergone an extreme level of testing in real
world conditions......no matter what the laboratory test results have
revealed! It would be foolish to accept laboratory test results as the only
method towards aircraft airworthiness standards. You got to fly the aircraft
and test its systems in the real world!
This then leads me to aircraft being imported from the eastern block.......
These aircraft are not built to any known US specifications so the FAA says
they have to operate under special flight rules (Experimental Exhibition).
Like many scientists and engineers will tell you...... It's the real world
operational experience that is the most valuable! Just like the USAF, who
test an aircraft to the extremes, the civilian owners of eastern block
aircraft are doing the same thing in their day to day flying. In a sense
it's a repeat of what the Soviets or the Chinese have already done in
testing their aircraft. Their engineers have bought off on the airworthiness
of these aircraft. They have used their laboratory and real world
experiences to develop the aircraft, aircraft subsystems, maintenance
manuals, operating procedures and thus concluded that a particular aircraft
is airworthy. According to the FAA bureaucracy, all this doesn't mean
squat.....and that is a mistake!
The FAA mandate towards airworthiness certification is flawed in that it
refuses to accept experience gained in real world operations from processes
other than its own "APPROVED" processes...... Consider that our own military
DEMANDS real world testing of it's aircraft and it isn't an approved FAA
process either! Why can't the FAA accept real world experiences and
processes from other sources? The FAA's airworthiness requirements are
scientifically sound given the path to certification they have chosen. But
that process isn't the only way to certify an aircraft as airworthy. Real
world operational experience is another way to certify airworthiness of a
product and, if money was no object, would in fact be the preferred method
of validating an aircraft or it's subsystems. I'm forced to conclude the FAA
is entrenched in a given process of airworthiness certification and makes no
exceptions to other processes that are scientifically sound because of their
own, internal bureaucratic inertia (no one is willing to take a stand). I
suspect they also use these rules to serve a political agenda. The FAA
chooses to ignore the operational experiences of the Russians, Chinese and
the operational experiences of US citizens who own and operate these
aircraft because it isn't THEIR process. Don't forget, real world
operational experiences are the most valuable of all the processes used to
determine the airworthiness of an aircraft....... we do it every day as we
fly our aircraft. Why can't the FAA accept this?
This is where Scott nailed it. It's because US aircraft manufacturers are
engaged in protectionist practices. I think US aircraft manufacturers almost
succeeded in getting our aircraft banned from the US. Thank God for the EAA.
Just think for a moment what your life would be like if they had succeeded.
None of us would be owning the aircraft we do. None of us would have met the
friends made possible by our involvement in these aircraft. Many of us (like
myself) would still be on the ground looking skyward dreaming of one day
owning an aircraft. A dream never to be realized because American, factory
built aircraft are just too expensive. In short, our lives would have been
diminished had the FAA succeeded in banning these aircraft. I'm a working
guy and if I didn't have the chance to buy a relatively inexpensive 52 I
would be building a kit....not buying and overpriced piece of American crap
spam can that I couldn't ever afford! The Russian and Chinese airplanes
filled a niche that American aircraft manufacturers couldn't.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: FAA & Warbirds, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> God save us from the uncaring bureaucrat, BUT we do have some
> friends in those places that are willing to help.
Agreed. When I started flying back in the '60s and my dad was helping to
start one of the very first short-haul carriers, Cable Commuter Airlines
flying Twin Otters, the FAA guys were aviation guys. They took their job
of promoting aviation seriously. Many were pilots. I would hang with the
guys as they would go over to work on problems.
Now many (most?) don't know their ass from an exhaust header. Because
they don't understand airplanes they deal with what they DO understand:
rules.
In my FSDO I have been advised to deal with one and only one inspector.
He is the last one who still understands aviation and is likely to work
with me to make the changes I want to make to my airplanes. God help me
when he leaves.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Barry's Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sarah Tobin" <vorchaser@hotmail.com>
It's a good thing you guys are all married, because I don't know too many of
us gals that like handlebar stashes/eyepatches/nappy pirate hair or
gun-totin' Mexicans. Sorry to burst your macho bubble! :(
Smash
>From: cjpilot710@aol.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Barry's Website
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:03:26 EST
>
>
>ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 1/11/2006 5:34:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > barry@flyredstar.org writes:
> >
> > The first four have been created by Diego del Pozo...a VERY
>talented
> > guy.
> >
> > In my next life, I want to come back with a name like Diego del Pozo,
> > and have a brace of pistols and a cutlass. The chicks will dig it.
>
>Steve HELP!
>
>I just got an image of Blitz as a MUCH older Johnny Depp (Pirates in the
>Caribbean) and I can't get it out of my mind. How do you deal with your
>father like this?
>
>DaBear
>
>I agree!!! A handle bar mustache and pointy go-tee. Maybe an eye
>patch!!!!! With that shit-eat'n grain. :))))))
>
>Pappy
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| Subject: | (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) |
Dear YAKers,
I have two M-14P engines for sale. Both have had a prop strike in grass
runways in Russia. I have Russian log books and both are in engines crates for
storage as a spare or to use on a CJ-6 conversation.
Both engines are under 1000 hours (one is 390TTE) on first over hauls and all
components. If you know anything about these engines you will find that
everyone just places a new prop on these engines and fly's away.
New engines are going for $26,000 (360 HP) to $38,000 for the new 450HP.
These engines are considerable less than that. Save money now for Aeromotors
is raising prices for overhauls to $17,000 in January 2006.
Pay less than an overhaul.
I will accept the best offer for the engines but before February 1st.
Thank you for the consideration.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
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