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1. 12:33 AM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 03:59 AM - Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Craig Payne)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 06:11 AM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
5. 06:11 AM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (Tim Gagnon)
6. 06:46 AM - Re: Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Ernest Martinez)
7. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Fraser, Gus)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Ernest Martinez)
9. 07:17 AM - [political] voting (was: Going after overzealous Feds) (Brian Lloyd)
10. 07:17 AM - intake screen (Jon Boede)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: Yak-52 Maintenance Class in California (Brian Lloyd)
12. 07:29 AM - [list-issue] Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Brian Lloyd)
13. 07:31 AM - Re: intake screen (Ernest Martinez)
14. 07:32 AM - [list-issue] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Brian Lloyd)
15. 07:53 AM - Re: [list-issue] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Ernest Martinez)
16. 08:12 AM - Re: intake screen (doug sapp)
17. 08:24 AM - Re: intake screen (Ernest Martinez)
18. 08:48 AM - Re: intake screen (doug sapp)
19. 08:55 AM - Re: [list-issue] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Roger Kemp)
20. 08:59 AM - Re: intake screen (Ernest Martinez)
21. 09:07 AM - gear problem (Terry Lewis)
22. 09:10 AM - Re: Sean Carroll (Ben Marsh)
23. 09:23 AM - air bottles (Terry Lewis)
24. 09:36 AM - Re: intake screen (Jim Bernier)
25. 10:15 AM - [humor] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Brian Lloyd)
26. 10:15 AM - Re: intake screen (Rieder, David A (AZ76))
27. 10:22 AM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (Sarah Tobin)
28. 10:50 AM - Re: [humor] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk (Roger Kemp)
29. 11:30 AM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (Valkyre1)
30. 11:46 AM - Re: intake screen (doug sapp)
31. 11:51 AM - (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
32. 12:14 PM - Re: (Fraser, Gus)
33. 12:14 PM - Re: (Jerome van der Schaar)
34. 12:15 PM - FW: (Fraser, Gus)
35. 12:21 PM - Re: (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
36. 12:21 PM - Re: gear problem (A. Dennis Savarese)
37. 12:27 PM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (A. Dennis Savarese)
38. 12:33 PM - Re: gear problems (Craig Payne)
39. 12:46 PM - Re: (Antanas Simutis)
40. 12:53 PM - Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. (A. Dennis Savarese)
41. 01:22 PM - Yaks I knew.... (Fraser, Gus)
42. 01:25 PM - Re: FW: (cjpilot710@aol.com)
43. 01:40 PM - Re: FW: (Fraser, Gus)
44. 01:51 PM - Re: (cgalley)
45. 01:51 PM - Re: FW: (Roger Kemp)
46. 02:00 PM - Re: FW: (Fraser, Gus)
47. 02:34 PM - gear (Terry Lewis)
48. 02:34 PM - Re: FW: (Buzzard Aviation)
49. 02:35 PM - Pin Wrench Needed (Stephen J. Byers)
50. 02:41 PM - Re: (doug sapp)
51. 02:53 PM - Re: Pin Wrench Needed (A. Dennis Savarese)
52. 02:58 PM - YAK Trash Talk (Frank Haertlein)
53. 03:04 PM - Sean Carroll (Frank Haertlein)
54. 03:06 PM - Re: Pin Wrench Needed (doug sapp)
55. 03:07 PM - Intake screen / air filter (Frank Haertlein)
56. 03:08 PM - Yak-55/55m gills (gena perevedentsev)
57. 03:26 PM - .357 Colt King Cobra............. (Frank Haertlein)
58. 03:37 PM - Re: .357 Colt King Cobra............. (A. Dennis Savarese)
59. 04:35 PM - Re: FW: (cjpilot710@aol.com)
60. 04:53 PM - [humor] Pappy's comments (Brian Lloyd)
61. 05:50 PM - Re: Yak-52 Maintenance Class in California (PHCarter@aol.com)
62. 06:33 PM - Re: [humor] Pappy's comments (cjpilot710@aol.com)
63. 07:12 PM - Official Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines |
--> Yak-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk |
Brian wrote:
>
>
> Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be useful:
>
> Yak-52
> Yak-50
> Yak-55
> CJ6A
> pneumatic
> procedures
> aerobatics
> formation
> military
> political
> list-issue
>
Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might be: "Yakchang".
But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then the subject
line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with his gear problem
the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A". When in formation the
line might be "pneumatic formation procedures CJ6A"....but the same problem in
Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic formation procedures CJ6B"
Damn this is hard! Could the List Police offer a larger index of subject line choices?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
Sara,
I believe the Flight Attendant requirement is one per 49 passengers. 50 to 99
passengers requires 2 F.A.'s. That's why the regional jets, which typically have
between 40 and 49 passengers only have 1 FA. But I could be wrong.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane.
Actually your number of flt attendants is way off. Only 1 flt att is required
for each 30 seats. So, if you are on a CRJ, odds are you have 1 flt att only.
Granted terrorist haven't hijacked sm a/c, but what is to stop them from doing
so...might even be easier w/ less people...that is why the 9-11 terrorist
chose those particular flts...low pax rates at that hour to those destinations.
The FAM program is actually being scaled back too. There are not enough FAMs
to be on board even 1/10th of the flt that are in the US at any time. During
the daylight hours in this country, we (NORAD/FAA) are tracking more than 20K
a/c that are sqk'n and on flt plans. Granted many are charter, etc, but you
can imagine that the majority are part 21 and in no concievable way could there
be a FAM on each flt.
I am all for arming the pilots with tazers and/or guns. Many pilots have refused
a nd it is not madatory, but I can tell you that I can't imagine any prior
military pilot, that is used to carrying an M9 into combat, wouldn't under current
conditions, want to carry a gun. We, as servants of uncle sam are all
required to maintain quals in the M9 and/or M16 every 1-3 years. I am quite sure
that these pilots that are FFDOs are rigorously trained in the tactics of
using their weapons as well as appropriate actions to take, i.e. when to leave
the secure cockpit and risk going into the cabin and thereby risking cockpit
breaching. They are not going to end up like the dudes on 9-11 and get their
throats slashed trying to do their job. I say we give them a fighting chance
and let them protect their lives, their pax and their aircraft.
The FAM portion of the TSA is the real failure. Bored guys, riding around for
16 hours a day on an a/c or sitting in a terminal, trying to blend in, mandatory
to stay awake, ugh...no thanks!
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
So why doesn't the FFDO fly the plane and let the passengers kill the terrorists?
Even if the 100-300 passengers failed to subdue the five terrorists, the
plane would remain under control (e.g. NOT crash into a skyscraper) and all
would be well.
Or we could put two sky marshalls on the plane. It can't be done, you say?
No airliner takes off without two pilots and at least three flight attendants.
How is it possible to mandate that and not be able to mandate two sky marshals?
Cost? Cops come cheaper t han airline pilots, so if the flight can afford
two pilots, how much would the trip total cost go up with two sky marshals?
A percent or two, maybe.
The FFDO program is as poorly conceived and implemented as the rest of the
TSA's post-911 panic reaction.
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
As Archie Bunker stated in the series "All in the Family".
Give everybody a gun as they get on the plane.
Pete Abbott
N852GC
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Actually, an airplane with more than 19 seats requires a FA. Thats why the Beech
1900 is so popular. We (Continental Express) operate the EMB-135 (37 seats)
and EMB-145 (50 seats) and we have one flight attendant. I the magic number for
2 FA's is 51 to 100, then 1 for every 50 past that.
Back to the original thread. I was at first opposed to the pilots being armed because
the security of the cockpit is paramount. For a pilot to use his/her weapon
in the cabin would open the cockpit up to a threat. Now, I think a weapon
in the cockpit is more like nuclear weapons, they serve as a deterrent. I have
yet to attend the FFDO, but I have heard the training is INTENSE and very thorough.
The training is conducted mostly by former federal agents and SpecOps
types. You are issued your own weapon (H&K USP Sub Compact LEM .40) and are required
to requal every six months. That too is changing and will make the requal
more stringent. Also, the FFDO program is now under direct control of the FAM
program. All in all, it is another step in protecting our aircraft from those
that would do us arm.
As a side note, there have been concerns with regional aircraft. Since they do
only carry one FA, they are a target. Be careful though, regionals have the greatest
number of armed pilots..especially here in Houston!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=8956#8956
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk |
Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to another
board to vent their other views.
Ernie
On 2/2/06, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > > Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be useful:
> >
> > Yak-52
> > Yak-50
> > Yak-55
> > CJ6A
> > pneumatic
> > procedures
> > aerobatics
> > formation
> > military
> > political
> > list-issue
> >
>
> Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might
> be: "Yakchang". But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then the
> subject line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with his
> gear problem the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A". When in
> formation the line might be "pneumatic formation procedures CJ6A"....but the
> same problem in Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic formation procedures
> CJ6B"
>
> Damn this is hard! Could the List Police offer a larger index of subject
> line choices?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk |
Sure Ernie, like you have never posted other views on other subjects :))
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk
Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to another
board to vent their other views.
Ernie
On 2/2/06, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com> >
wrote:
Brian wrote:
>
>
> Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be useful:
>
> Yak-52
> Yak-50
> Yak-55
> CJ6A
> pneumatic
> procedures
> aerobatics
> formation
> military
> political
> list-issue
>
Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might be:
"Yakchang". But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then the
subject line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with his
gear problem the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A". When in
formation the line might be "pneumatic formation procedures CJ6A"....but the
same problem in Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic formation procedures
CJ6B"
Damn this is hard! Could the List Police offer a larger index of subject
line choices?
Craig Payne
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Sure Ernie, like you have never posted other views on other
subjects:))
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest
Martinez
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:45 AM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Subject Lines -
Trash Talk
Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to
another board to vent their other views.
Ernie
<SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 2/2/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Craig
Payne cpayne@joimail.com
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204)
1px solid">
Brian wrote:
Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be
useful:
Yak-52
Yak-50
Yak-55
CJ6A
pneumatic
procedures
aerobatics
formation
military
political
list-issue
Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might
be: "Yakchang". But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then the
subject line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with his
gear problem the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A".
When in formation the line might be "pneumatic formation procedures
CJ6A"....but the same problem in Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic
formation procedures CJ6B"
Damn this is hard! Could the List Police offer a largerindex of
subject line choices?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk |
do not archive.
Count em.
Ernie
On 2/2/06, Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com> wrote:
>
> Sure Ernie, like you have never posted other views on other subjects :))
>
> Gus
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ernest Martinez
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:45 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk
>
> Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to another
> board to vent their other views.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 2/2/06, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > > Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be useful:
> > >
> > > Yak-52
> > > Yak-50
> > > Yak-55
> > > CJ6A
> > > pneumatic
> > > procedures
> > > aerobatics
> > > formation
> > > military
> > > political
> > > list-issue
> > >
> >
> > Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might
> > be: "Yakchang". But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then the
> > subject line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with his
> > gear problem the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A". When in
> > formation the line might be "pneumatic formation procedures CJ6A"....but the
> > same problem in Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic formation procedures
> > CJ6B"
> >
> > Damn this is hard! Could the List Police offer a larger index of subject
> > line choices?
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | [political] voting (was: Going after overzealous Feds) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> Bruce
> It's OK, almost half those who do vote here vote for the donkey :)
And the rest vote for the jackass. Unfortunately most people in the US
are untrained and cannot tell the difference between a donkey and a jackass.
And you know why the parties keep offering us ivy-league politicians?
Because that is who we vote for.
When was the last time any of you voted for a third-party candidate in
protest to the idiots the Democrats and Republicans keep foisting off on
us? Until the people stop voting for the idiots, the parties will keep
giving us idiots.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and before
I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need to
have before doing this??
Thanks,
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Maintenance Class in California |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mike Bell wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Bell" <yakflyr@comcast.net>
>
> I would like to have Dennis Savarese put on a weekend Yak-52 maintenance class
in Northern California.
I would like to participate as well. I need to improve my knowledge of
the Yak-52 and how its systems differ from the CJ6A.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | [list-issue] Subject Lines - Trash Talk |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> Brian wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here are some examples of subject prefixes that might be useful:
>>
>> Yak-52
>> Yak-50
>> Yak-55
>> CJ6A
>> pneumatic
>> procedures
>> aerobatics
>> formation
>> military
>> political
>> list-issue
>>
>
> Sooo, if I talk about my airplane with the M-14, the proper title might
> be: "Yakchang". But if someone puts a Chinese 400hp into their Yak, then
> the subject line might be "Nanyak"? When Terry Lewis asked for help with
> his gear problem the proper title might be "pneumatic procedures CJ6A".
> When in formation the line might be "pneumatic formation procedures
> CJ6A"....but the same problem in Goolsby's plane might be "pneumatic
> formation procedures CJ6B"
Gee Craig, you are clever. Almost as clever as me! Let's form the clever
people prefix for our discussions.
I was trying to find a creative solution to people wanting to be able to
sort through their mail more quickly. You can make up any prefix you
want. People will look at it and probably understand. The more
information up there the easier it is for someone to decide whether to
read or hit the delete key.
But if you are talking about an M14 it doesn't matter if you have a CJ
or a Yak. Put [M14] in the prefix and others interested in the specifics
of the M14 will have a clue that they might be interested in reading
that message.
The key point is that the subject line is there to help the reader know
what she might get when she opens the message. Right now there are about
three different discussion threads going on under the topic of "Radium"
and "Going after overzealous Feds". I know that none of the current
threads have anything to do with Radium or Feds overstepping their
authority at this point.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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A friend of mine has this super simple but seemingly effective foam cover
which fits over the stock CJ air screen. If your unit is structurally sound
you could just fit this over it and be done. I'll ask him and post since
I've been meaning to buy one for my airplane. Nothing worse than changing
your oil and finding grass seed in there.
Ernie
On 2/2/06, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and before
> I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
> thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need to
> have before doing this??
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to another
> board to vent their other views.
Other than "we should just shoot all the rag-heads" virtually every
topic we have had on here has been directly or indirectly associated
with how we fly our aircraft.
When you go out to dinner or lunch with your flying buddies, do you only
talk about your airplane? I know I don't.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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do not archive
When I'm out with my buddies I'm in private company, conversations come up
that are of interest to those involved. I dont bring a megaphone with me so
the entire restaurant is forced to hear me. I guess that you could counter
that the other people in the restaurant could just leave if they dont like
or care about what I'm talking about, but that would be selfish.
Having an off topic conversation on an internet list forces others who dont
care about your conversation at the very least to have to filter their
subject lines rather than look forward to reading something of interest
about the topic they subscribed to this list for in the first place.
Additionally, off topic conversations fill the archives with junk that
people will need to filter through, and wastes disk space. The ratio of
relevant vs irrelvant information on this list has gone off the scale, and
not in a favorable direction. Also relevant posts are usually rather small
with respect to word count. These political diatribes are usually pages
long, and then the problem gets exacerbated when follow up posts contain all
the previously posted information creating an exponential increase in
bandwidth utilization.
Ernie
On 2/2/06, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Ernest Martinez wrote:
> > Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to another
> > board to vent their other views.
>
> Other than "we should just shoot all the rag-heads" virtually every
> topic we have had on here has been directly or indirectly associated
> with how we fly our aircraft.
>
> When you go out to dinner or lunch with your flying buddies, do you only
> talk about your airplane? I know I don't.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Just a silly thought, but you might call me...,I have a few in stock.
Geeze Jon!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:17 AM
Subject: Yak-List: intake screen
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and before
I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need to
have before doing this??
Thanks,
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: intake screen |
Do you have the foam filters too????
Ernie
On 2/2/06, doug sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Just a silly thought, but you might call me...,I have a few in stock.
>
> Geeze Jon!
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:17 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: intake screen
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and before
> I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
> thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need to
> have before doing this??
>
> Thanks,
> Jon
>
>
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Like all things Yak there are a ton of opinions, mine is that you should
tread carefully with foam sock type filters, at best they do rob you of a
inch or so of MP, at the worst they can wad up and cause you big problems,
Barry Hancock reports that his foam filter recently restricted the airflow
so badly that the engine shut down on takeoff. Don't know the particulars
in his case, but I personally wont use them.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:23 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: intake screen
Do you have the foam filters too????
Ernie
On 2/2/06, doug sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Just a silly thought, but you might call me...,I have a few in stock.
Geeze Jon!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:17 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: intake screen
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and
before
I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need
to
have before doing this??
Thanks,
Jon
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Do Not Archieve
"previously posted information creating an exponential increase in bandwidth utilization.
Ernie"
Would that be better know as BS?
DVD
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| Subject: | Re: intake screen |
Do you know what brand he was using? My buddy, here has had no issues what
so ever. My concern is that the stock filter box is great at filtering out
rocks and boulders but nothing much smaller. I consistently find grass seed
in my oil when I change it. If seeds can get by, then most certainly sand is
getting in there also. Since I havent got a spin on oil filter I''ve been
changing my oil every 15 hours or so, to be on the safe side.
Ernie
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First let me thank the folks who offered advise.
I did find that I needed the check valve on the firewall but that didn't fix the
problem. All the other check valves and shuttle valves were fine.
What I found after blowing out the lines to the rear gear valve was that I had
a restrictor in the left gear line but no restrictor in the right gear line.
This restrictor had hole of about .0030 in and could have been blocked by a grain
of sand or such. I removed the restrictor and the problem is gone!
Again, Thanks for the help.
Terry Lewis
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It is so sad to see a Yak guy, and unlimited race hero-pilot, go bad. At
least he has a cute girlfriend. Or has he failed to keep up the payments
there as well?
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Sean Carroll
I noted a few months ago a posting from Brian Lloyd having a problem getting
Sean Carroll to pay for an engine that had been sold to him.
I sold a number of Yak-9 parts to Sean Carroll, and equally have not been
paid. I also understand from John Wright in South Africa, that he had paid
Sean for various parts, but no parts had come and no refund.
I find it unlikely that we are the only three people who have been affected
by Sean's business methods, which, apart from anything else do seem to be
somewhat short sighted in such a small community.
Assuming that this is the case, and that there are others of you out there,
could I ask you to contact either Brian Lloyd or myself, on or off the list,
so that we can decide collectively how best to protect our interests.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
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Lyonshall
Herefordshire
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United Kingdom
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Hi All,
I have located a company here in the S.E. that will hydro and visually inspect
the air tanks for $50.00 each. They did my CJ tanks last spring
and I was happy with the results.
If you want FAA papers with the tanks the price is $95.00 each.
They will accept UPS etc. and return them the same way.
So price will be $50.00 each plus UPS both ways plus FL sales tax.
I have no affiliation with this company at all.
Hydro-stat,Inc
1111 S.W. 1st Way
Deerfield Beach, FL. 33441
Rick Nickels owner
954 428 7677
Fax 954 481 2823
Terry Lewis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Ernie
If you are getting grass seeds in the oil, you need to place a filter over the
two pressure vents on top of the engine. But you are right. Sand will pose a problem
with the screen/cheese grater filter. I took the screen filter off my plane
and placed two foam tube filters at the rear of the intake structure. They
become active in the Aux position. In the air at cruise speed I get the full
ram affect, and on the ground I get clean air to the engine. But the foam has
a problem if the engine backfires. It tends to burn. The heat from the exhaust
does not bother the foam. So if I can be sure that it won't backfire, then its
no problem. I'm looking for something like a K&N filter. But until then the
foam will do the job.
Jim B
>>> erniel29@gmail.com 02/02/06 10:58 AM >>>
Do you know what brand he was using? My buddy, here has had no issues what
so ever. My concern is that the stock filter box is great at filtering out
rocks and boulders but nothing much smaller. I consistently find grass seed
in my oil when I change it. If seeds can get by, then most certainly sand is
getting in there also. Since I havent got a spin on oil filter I''ve been
changing my oil every 15 hours or so, to be on the safe side.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> Do Not Archieve
>
> "previously posted information creating an exponential increase in
> bandwidth utilization.
>
> Ernie"
>
> Would that be better know as BS?
In engineering terms "BS" is the product of bandwidth utilization (B)
and storage required (S). The high utilization of bandwidth and storage
for useless information is an example of "high BS".
Does that help?
Brian
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rieder, David A (AZ76)" <david.a.rieder@honeywell.com>
Try:
http://www.brackettaerofilters.com/
You will have to call them and tell them what type aircraft and size screen
you have. Most the DVT guys use them.
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
Do Not Archive
Yeah, trying to think back to my ATP test, I know it's always 1, but I thought
it was 1 for every 30 after that...but that was 4 years ago when I took the
test. Makes more sense though to be 1 every 50 after the initial 1.
Smash
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Sara,
I believe the Flight Attendant requirement is one per 49 passengers. 50 to 99
passengers requires 2 F.A.'s. That's why the regional jets, which typically
have between 40 and 49 passengers only have 1 FA. But I could be wrong.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane.
Actually your number of flt attendants is way off. Only 1 flt att is required
for each 30 seats. So, if you are on a CRJ, odds are you have 1 flt att only.
Granted terrorist haven't hijacked sm a/c, but what is to stop them from doing
so...might even be easier w/ less people...that is why the 9-11 terrorist
chose those particular flts...low pax rates at that hour to those destinations.
The FAM program is actually being scaled back too. There are not enough FAMs
to be on board even 1/10th of the flt that are in the US at any time. During
the daylight hours in this country, we (NORAD/FAA) are tracking more than 20K
a/c that are sqk'n and on flt plans. Granted many are charter, etc, but you
can imagine that the majority are part 21 and in no concievable way could there
be a FAM on each flt.
I am all for arming the pilots with tazers and/or guns. Many pilots have refused
a nd it is not madatory, but I can tell you that I can't imagine any prior
military pilot, that is used to carrying an M9 into combat, wouldn't under current
conditions, want to carry a gun. We, as servants of uncle sam are all
required to maintain quals in the M9 and/or M16 every 1-3 years. I am quite sure
that these pilots that are FFDOs are rigorously trained in the tactics of
using their weapons as well as appropriate actions to take, i.e. when to leave
the secure cockpit and risk going into the cabin and thereby risking cockpit
breaching. They are not going to end up like the dudes on 9-11 and get their
throats slashed trying to do their job. I say we give them a fighting chance
and let them protect their lives, their pax and their aircraft.
The FAM portion of the TSA is the real failure. Bored guys, riding around for
16 hours a day on an a/c or sitting in a terminal, trying to blend in, mandatory
to stay awake, ugh...no thanks!
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
So why doesn't the FFDO fly the plane and let the passengers kill the
terrorists? Even if the 100-300 passengers failed to subdue the five terrorists,
the plane would remain under control (e.g. NOT crash into a skyscraper) and
all would be well.
Or we could put two sky marshalls on the plane. It can't be done, you say?
No airliner takes off without two pilots and at least three flight attendants.
How is it possible to mandate that and not be able to mandate two sky marshals?
Cost? Cops come cheaper t han airline pilots, so if the flight can afford
two pilots, how much would the trip total cost go up with two sky marshals?
A percent or two, maybe.
The FFDO program is as poorly conceived and implemented as the rest of the TSA's
post-911 panic reaction.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I think Ernie was thinking in terms of "fulla BS for the high BS"
designator. Will have to refer back the Jack Schit family tree for
clarification. I believe Jack and Noe Schit had 4 children. Lets see does
Bull Schit, Dumb Schit, Horse Schit, and Ho Schit ring a bell. Or was Ho
Schit better known as just Dip Schit... Well maybe She was Pilla Schit...I
forget now though.. But guess this goes under the Who Gives A Schit catagory
DVD
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 2/2/2006 12:27:21 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: [humor] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
> > Do Not Archieve
> >
> > "previously posted information creating an exponential increase in
> > bandwidth utilization.
> >
> > Ernie"
> >
> > Would that be better know as BS?
>
> In engineering terms "BS" is the product of bandwidth utilization (B)
> and storage required (S). The high utilization of bandwidth and storage
> for useless information is an example of "high BS".
>
> Does that help?
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
OK, another non-related to Yaks question, but a good one and dear to my heart.
A question for you Ron... are you an FFDO? It doesn't sound like it from your brief
assessment of how we work.
You are right that cost is always in question whenever safety comes into the picture.
That's why we have pilot unions to fight the bean counters in DC and at
our airlines on behalf of safety, and they rely on our opposition as a counter
balance.
I have a dear friend who is a FAM and the TSA is working to par them down as well
since the public outcry re: 911 is dying down a bit.
Airlne pilots had to fight tooth and nail to get our FFDO program because the Airlines
would rather pass up the deterrent value than face a possible, but unsubstantiated
liability issue should we use bad judgement.
In answer to your query about why the pilot doesn't fly the airplane and let the
passengers deal with the terrorists...
(1.) This is just another emergency/abnormal where one pilot always flys the airplane
and the other (FFDO) "deals" with the emergency. This is a useful deterrant
and makes all of us, FFDOs or regular pilots, less of a "soft target" which
is what the bad guys always go for.
(2.) The event where an FFDO has to act is a last ditch extreme measure where cockpit
intrusion is imminent. Terrorists research our behavior in great detail
and know the psycological as well as strategic measures that they intend to use
against passengers and crew. They are very patient and typically wait 5-8 years
between attacks.
(3.) Passenger intervention as well as more Air Marshals is highly desireable and
necessary, but we can't count on it. The FFDO program is not perfect, but it's
getting better all of the time because we are always working on it as we get
more experience, and more pilots are participating on their own time yearly.
The TSA itself is not necessarly a friend to the Air Marshal or the Federal Flight
Deck Officer program, but please don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
These are good and necessary programs and any support that we can gather
from the community will be greatly appreciated and paid back in Spades.
Thanks, -Val
Valkyre1 wrote:
> O.K. Brian, in the interest of the sanity of the other Yakkers reading
> this list, I'm only going to clarify one more thing; er, allright, two..
>
> Martial arts are good (I did TaeKwanDo myself) but it is hard to beat a
> good blaster at your side when you want to "reach out and touch
> someone." (This reminds me of that scene in "Raiders of the Lost
Ark"
> where Indiana Jones is confronted by a scimitar-wielding martial-arts
> expert and he dispatches his adversary with his revolver.)
>
> Brian, did I hear you wrong? - That's what FFDOs are trained to do. We
> carry and use guns in the cockpit when appropriate. Thank you for the
> lessons in nuclear waste. Knowledge is good.
Ah, good. I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that you planned
to kick-ass on the bad guys with your own two hands (and feet).
I like my clunky old 1911A1 but it is a bit large for concealed carry.
OTOH, you can just keep it in your flight bag and then just carry at the
ready in case you have to go aft.
What do they have you using to prevent overpenetration? I use hydra
shock but was thinking that a very high velocity frangible plastic
bullet would be good in the cabin of an aircraft.
> "Valkyre out" and nope, I still don't owe a steak dinner yet, not until
> someone starts viably turning that stuff back into safe energy." (Gasp.)
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No I don't carry the foam filters.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:23 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: intake screen
Do you have the foam filters too????
Ernie
On 2/2/06, doug sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "doug sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Just a silly thought, but you might call me...,I have a few in stock.
Geeze Jon!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:17 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: intake screen
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My air scoop intake cover screen could stand to be replaced... and
before
I just go off to Home Depot and get some generic screen door material, I
thought I'd ask here if there's any wisdom/suggestions/knowledge I need
to
have before doing this??
Thanks,
Jon
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Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this paint
scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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I just searched through the UK database
(http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi?pass*80064239!mtd*40!ref*www.landings.co
m/_landings/pages/search/!pg*search_gnr-multi.html
<http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi?pass*80064239!mtd*40!ref*www.landings.co
m/_landings/pages/search/!pg*search_gnr-multi.html> )
Apparently no such animal in the database.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT
SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
To:
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak
52 G-CUPS ??? I love this paint scheme and would like to get
the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E.
Schwartz
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Hi Robert,
If you'll look at our database at www.yakkes.com you'll find:
http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/9010312.php with the owner details.
Good luck,
Jerome
-------Original Message-------
From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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See below Mark J to the rescue.
Gus
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From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
We call it "yak11" scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13 years ago
we designed that. I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else answers I can
take my book and do the match but that wont realy help as you cant get
sikkins paints in USA and that's what we use.
Keep this number handy +44 1235 442 155 its sikkins help line and they will
convert codes.
I don't have Roberts em so pls fwd.
Cheers, mj
_____
From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: 02 February 2006 20:00
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
I bet you know..
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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<SPAN
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<SPAN
class=071181420-02022006>Gus
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk
[mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13
PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Owner G-CUPS
<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st2:GivenName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial size=3><SPAN
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face=Arial> <st2:Sn
w:st="on">ROBERT</st2:Sn></st1:PersonName><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> HAUNCH
TRADING AS: <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">FENLAND</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">FLYING</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
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FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS
BANK
HOLBEACH <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">ST.
JOHNS</st1:City></st1:place>, HOLBEACH
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w:st="on">SPALDING</st2:GivenName>
PE12 8RQ
<st1:country-region
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<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia">We call it "yak11"
scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13 years ago we designed that.
I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else answers I can take my book
and do the match but that wont realy help as you cant get sikkins paints in
USA and that's what we use.
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Georgia">
<SPAN
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codes.
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<SPAN
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<SPAN
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mj
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w:st="on">Fraser</st2:GivenName>, <st2:GivenName w:st="on">Gus</st2:GivenName>
[mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
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<SPAN
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w:st="on">SCHWARTZ</st2:Sn></st1:PersonName>
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yak-list@matronics.com
<SPAN
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lang=EN-US>
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Does anyone know the owner of
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> registered Yak 52
G-CUPS ??? I love this paint scheme and would like to get the paint
code numbers.?
<SPAN
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<SPAN
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st2:GivenName w:st="on"><FONT
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can anyone help me contact this YAK 52 aircraft Owner. I need his paint codes.
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
Thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
See below Mark J to the rescue.
Gus
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
To: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
We call it "yak11" scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13 years ago
we designed that. I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else answers I can
take my book and do the match but that wont realy help as you cant get sikkins
paints in USA and that's what we use.
Keep this number handy +44 1235 442 155 its sikkins help line and they will
convert codes.
I don't have Roberts em so pls fwd.
Cheers, mj
From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: 02 February 2006 20:00
To: 'mark.j@yakuk.com'
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
I bet you know..
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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| Subject: | Re: gear problem |
The restrictors are used to reduce the flow, not the pressure. Removing the restrictor
only causes the landing gear to move way to rapidly, much like blowing
the gear down with the emergency system, which has no restrictors in the lines.
My suggestion is to put them back in place. FWIW.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry Lewis
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 11:06 AM
Subject: Yak-List: gear problem
First let me thank the folks who offered advise.
I did find that I needed the check valve on the firewall but that didn't fix
the problem. All the other check valves and shuttle valves were fine.
What I found after blowing out the lines to the rear gear valve was that I had
a restrictor in the left gear line but no restrictor in the right gear line.
This restrictor had hole of about .0030 in and could have been blocked by a grain
of sand or such. I removed the restrictor and the problem is gone!
Again, Thanks for the help.
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane. |
And I was off by one too. ie: 1-49 vs. 1-50.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane.
Do Not Archive
Yeah, trying to think back to my ATP test, I know it's always 1, but I thought
it was 1 for every 30 after that...but that was 4 years ago when I took the
test. Makes more sense though to be 1 every 50 after the initial 1.
Smash
"A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Sara,
I believe the Flight Attendant requirement is one per 49 passengers. 50 to
99 passengers requires 2 F.A.'s. That's why the regional jets, which typically
have between 40 and 49 passengers only have 1 FA. But I could be wrong.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Tobin
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane.
Actually your number of flt attendants is way off. Only 1 flt att is required
for each 30 seats. So, if you are on a CRJ, odds are you have 1 flt att only.
Granted terrorist haven't hijacked sm a/c, but what is to stop them from
doing so...might ev en be easier w/ less people...that is why the 9-11 terrorist
chose those particular flts...low pax rates at that hour to those destinations.
The FAM program is actually being scaled back too. There are not enough FAMs
to be on board even 1/10th of the flt that are in the US at any time. During
the daylight hours in this country, we (NORAD/FAA) are tracking more than 20K
a/c that are sqk'n and on flt plans. Granted many are charter, etc, but you
can imagine that the majority are part 21 and in no concievable way could there
be a FAM on each flt.
I am all for arming the pilots with tazers and/or guns. Many pilots have refused
a nd it is not madatory, but I can tell you that I can't imagine any prior
military pilot, that is used to carrying an M9 into combat, wouldn't under
current conditions, want to carry a gun. We, as servants of uncle sam are all
required to maintain quals in the M9 and/or M16 every 1-3 years. I am quite
sure that these pilots that are FFDOs are rigorously trained in the tactics of
using their weapons as well as appropriate actions to take, i.e. when to leave
the secure cockpit and risk going into the cabin and thereby risking cockpit
breaching. They are not going to end up like the dudes on 9-11 and get their
throats slashed trying to do their job. I say we give them a fighting chance
and let them protect their lives, their pax and their aircraft.
The FAM portion of the TSA is the real failure. Bored guys, riding around
for 16 hours a day on an a/c or sitting in a terminal, trying to blend in, mandatory
to stay awake, ugh...no thanks!
Smash
Ron Davis <L39parts@hotmail.com> wrote:
So why doesn't the FFDO fly the plane and let the passengers kill the terrorists?
Even if the 100-300 passengers failed to subdue the five terrorists,
the plane would remain under control (e.g. NOT crash into a skyscraper) and all
would be well.
Or we could put two sky marshalls on the plane. It can't be done, you say?
No airliner takes off without two pilots and at least three flight attendants.
How is it possible to mandate that and not be able to mandate two sky marshals?
Cost? Cops come cheaper t han airline pilots, so if the flight can afford
two pilots, how much would the trip total cost go up with two sky marshals?
A percent or two, maybe.
The FFDO program is as poorly conceived and implemented as the rest of the
TSA's post-911 panic reaction.
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| Subject: | Re: gear problems |
Terry,
Perhaps it was a bit of dirt/goop/whatever....or you just bled that line down for
now. I put new restrictors in the gear lines; at BOTH ends, actuators and valves.
However I sized the holes at .040" to reduce the chance of small pieces
of grit clogging a line. Also put one on the handle side of the up lines.
No more "Wham" down into lock , just a slow, orderly transit to the lock position
and then a "snick" as all lock at the same time. OTOH, the nose still seems
to lag on the gear up swing.
Craig Payne
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Hi Robert,
Please try this telephone: + 44 1406-540-461, I found it on a Fenland Flying
School website:
http://www.fenlandairfield.co.uk/flying_school.htm
and another:
http://www.fenlandactivities.co.uk/ContactInfo.html
Telephone
+44 1406 330408
FAX
+44 1406 331138
Postal address
Rex Sly
Fenland Activities
Queens Bank
Crowland
Peterborough
PE6 0JR
E-Mail
rex@fenlandactivities.co.uk
There is also another email: KonTikiOne@aol.com
Hoping that will help.
Best regards,
Antanas
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: 2006 m. vasario 2 d. 22:21
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
can anyone help me contact this YAK 52 aircraft Owner. I need his paint
codes.
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
Thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
From: Fraser, Gus <mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
See below Mark J to the rescue.
Gus
_____
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
We call it "yak11" scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13 years ago
we designed that. I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else answers I can
take my book and do the match but that wont realy help as you cant get
sikkins paints in USA and that's what we use.
Keep this number handy +44 1235 442 155 its sikkins help line and they will
convert codes.
I don't have Roberts em so pls fwd.
Cheers, mj
_____
From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: 02 February 2006 20:00
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
I bet you know..
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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This might make some terrorist think twice. Then again, maybe not. It's good
anyway. Val will especially enjoy it.
http://www.barry.fireflyinternet.co.uk/fun/files/pilot.htm
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Rule 1 in aviation is fly the airplane.
OK, another non-related to Yaks question, but a good one and dear to my heart.
A question for you Ron... are you an FFDO? It doesn't sound like it from your
brief assessment of how we work.
You are right that cost is always in question whenever safety comes into the
picture. That's why we have pilot unions to fight the bean counters in DC and
at our airlines on behalf of safety, and they rely on our opposition as a counter
balance.
I have a dear friend who is a FAM and the TSA is working to par them down as
well since the public outcry re: 911 is dying down a bit.
Airlne pilots had to fight tooth and nail to get our FFDO program because the
Airlines would rather pass up the deterrent value than face a possible, but unsubstantiated
liability issue should we use bad judgement.
In answer to your query about why the pilot doesn't fly the airplane and let
the passengers deal with the terrorists...
(1.) This is just another emergency/abnormal where one pilot always flys the
airplane and the other (FFDO) "deals" with the emergency. This is a useful deterrant
and makes all of us, FFDOs or regular pilots, less of a "soft target" which
is what the bad guys always go for.
(2.) The event where an FFDO has to act is a last ditch extreme measure where
cockpit intrusion is imminent. Terrorists research our behavior in great detail
and know the psycological as well as strategic measures that they intend to
use against passengers and crew. They are very patient and typically wait 5-8
years between attacks.
(3.) Passenger intervention as well as more Air Marshals is highly desireable
and necessary, but we can't count on it. The FFDO program is not perfect, but
it's getting better all of the time because we are always working on it as we
get more experience, and more pilots are participating on their own time yearly.
The TSA itself is not necessarly a friend to the Air Marshal or the Federal Flight
Deck Officer program, but please don't throw the baby out with the bath
water. These are good and necessary programs and any support that we can gather
from the community will be greatly appreciated and paid back in Spades.
Thanks, -Val
Valkyre1 wrote:
> O.K. Brian, in the interest of the sanity of the other Yakkers reading
> this list, I'm only going to clarify one more thing; er, allright, two..
>
> Martial arts are good (I did TaeKwanDo myself) but it is hard to beat
a
> good blaster at your side when you want to "reach out and touch
> someone." (This reminds me of that scene in "Raiders of the Lost
Ark"
> where Indiana Jones is confronted by a scimitar-wielding martial-arts
> expert and he dispatches his adversary with his revolver.)
>
> Brian, did I hear you wrong? - That's what FFDOs are trained to do. We
> carry and use guns in the cockpit when appropriate. Thank you for the
> lessons in nuclear waste. Knowledge is good.
Ah, good. I misunderstood. I thought you were implying that you planned
to kick-ass on the bad guys with your own two hands (and feet).
I like my clunky old 1911A1 but it is a bit large for concealed carry.
OTOH, you can just keep it in your flight bag and then just carry at the
ready in case you have to go aft.
What do they have you using to prevent overpenetration? I use hydra
shock but was thinking that a very high velocity frangible plastic
bullet would be good in the cabin of an aircraft.
> "Valkyre out" and nope, I still don't owe a steak dinner yet, not until
> someone starts viably turning that stuff back into safe energy." (Gasp.)
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Ah brings a tear to my eye, the first Yak I ever owned, she was great.
See http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/89_9915.php
<http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/89_9915.php>
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerome van der
Schaar
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
Hi Robert,
If you'll look at our database at www.yakkes.com <http://www.yakkes.com>
you'll find:
http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/9010312.php
<http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/9010312.php> with the owner
details.
Good luck,
Jerome
-------Original Message-------
From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ <mailto:schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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Ah brings a tear to my
eye, the first Yak I ever owned, she was great.
See <A
">http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/89_9915.php
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerome van
der Schaar
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:14 PM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
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Hi Robert,
If you'll look at our database at <A
">www.yakkes.com you'll find:
<A
">http://www.yakkes.com/~thunderbolt2/52-3/9010312.phpwith
the owner details.
Good luck,
Jerome
-------Original
Message-------
From: <A
">ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Date: 02/02/06
20:56:40
To: <A
">yak-list@matronics.com
Subject:
Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered
Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this paint scheme and would
like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
The English, God love'm! Why is it our English cousins have such loooonnnng
addresses? The island isn't that big! :-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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It's a size thing it just helps us think the place is bigger than it
actually is. Plus it we had been invaded during the war the Germans would
have never found anywhere.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
The English, God love'm! Why is it our English cousins have such loooonnnng
addresses? The island isn't that big! :-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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It's a size thing it just
helps us think the place is bigger than it actually is. Plus it we had been
invaded during the war the Germans would have never found anywhere.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:25
PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
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<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Owner G-CUPS
<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st2:GivenName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">LEE</st2:GivenName><FONT
face=Arial> <st2:Sn
w:st="on">ROBERT</st2:Sn></st1:PersonName><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> HAUNCH
TRADING AS: <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">FENLAND</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">FLYING</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">SCHOOL</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS
BANK
HOLBEACH <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">ST.
JOHNS</st1:City></st1:place>, HOLBEACH
<st2:GivenName
w:st="on">SPALDING</st2:GivenName>
PE12 8RQ
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KINGDOM</st1:place></st1:country-region>
<SPAN
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<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00"
face=Georgia color=#000080><EM>The English, God love'm! Why is
it our English cousins have such loooonnnng addresses? The island isn't
that big!
:-)</EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><EM><FONT
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<st1:country-region
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style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00" face=Georgia color=#000080>Jim "Pappy"
Goolsby</EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
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That is interesting. One of my friends painted his American RV-6 using Sikkins!
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
See below Mark J to the rescue.
Gus
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
To: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
We call it "yak11" scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13 years ago
we designed that. I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else answers I can
take my book and do the match but that wont realy help as you cant get sikkins
paints in USA and that's what we use.
Keep this number handy +44 1235 442 155 its sikkins help line and they will
convert codes.
I don't have Roberts em so pls fwd.
Cheers, mj
From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: 02 February 2006 20:00
To: 'mark.j@yakuk.com'
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
I bet you know..
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I love this
paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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Maybe it is like pilots and the size of their watches. The smaller the island.
The loooonnnggger the address!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 2/2/2006 3:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
The English, God love'm! Why is it our English cousins have such loooonnnng addresses?
The island isn't that big! :-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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OK Doc I may just have to ask my Great Uncle to visit you with talk like
that ( see http://www.madfrankiefraser.co.uk/frankiefraser.htm
<http://www.madfrankiefraser.co.uk/frankiefraser.htm> ) when he comes round
please don't say that to him otherwise your head would be nailed to the
table :))
BTW I have a tiny watch
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
Maybe it is like pilots and the size of their watches. The smaller the
island. The loooonnnggger the address!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com>
Sent: 2/2/2006 3:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
The English, God love'm! Why is it our English cousins have such loooonnnng
addresses? The island isn't that big! :-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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OK Doc I may just have to
ask my Great Uncle to visit you with talk like that ( see <A
">http://www.madfrankiefraser.co.uk/frankiefraser.htm)
when he comes round please don't say that to him otherwise your head would be
nailed to the table :))
BTW I have a tiny
watch
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
Kemp
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:51 PM
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
Maybe it is like pilots and the size of their
watches. The smaller the island. The loooonnnggger the address!
Doc
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To: <A title=yak-list@matronics.com
">yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 2/2/2006 3:32:42 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Yak-List:
<FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000
size=2>
<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Owner G-CUPS
<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><st2:GivenName w:st="on"><FONT
face=Arial size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">LEE</st2:GivenName><FONT
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face=Arial> HAUNCH
TRADING AS:
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">FENLAND</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceName w:st="on">FLYING</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">SCHOOL</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS
BANK
HOLBEACH <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">ST.
JOHNS</st1:City></st1:place>, HOLBEACH
<st2:GivenName
w:st="on">SPALDING</st2:GivenName>
PE12 8RQ
<st1:country-region
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<SPAN
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w:st="on"><EM></EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00"
face=Georgia color=#000080><EM>The English, God love'm! Why is
it our English cousins have such loooonnnng addresses? The island
isn't that big!
:-)</EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><EM><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00" face=Georgia
color=#000080></EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
<st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><EM><FONT
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00" face=Georgia color=#000080>Jim "Pappy"
Goolsby</EM></st1:place></st1:country-region>
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Craig,
Good idea. I'll do that.
Terry
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| Subject: | Pin Wrench Needed |
Hey Everyone,
This is my fist posting so I hope I am doing this correctly.
I need to remove an exhaust manifold off of a CJ-6A (www.sennex.com/cj6a)
Would anyone have the pin wrench that would fit this. for Sale, Rent or
Loan? I would be glad to put up a deposit for one.
If the picture doesn't come through I will follow up with a web link to it.
Thanks
Steve
412-401-5025
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I've always used Sikkens, in fact I just had a meeting with the Sikkens rep
today about colors for the miniyak. But heed fair warning, DO NOT have your
wife present when you make out the check!! It's real spendy but like
everything else in this life you get what you pay for. Their wash primer is
aircraft acid etch type and the paints have the capacity to hold loads of
their flex agent. The entire Sikkens line is wonderful stuff and goes on
like pure silk. Ya, I'm sold!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cgalley
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:50 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List:
That is interesting. One of my friends painted his American RV-6 using
Sikkins!
Cy Galley
EAA Safety Programs Editor
Always looking for ideas and articles for EAA Sport Pilot
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
See below Mark J to the rescue.
Gus
From: Mark Jefferies YAK Uk [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:13 PM
To: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List:
Owner G-CUPS
LEE ROBERT HAUNCH
TRADING AS: FENLAND FLYING SCHOOL
FENLAND AIRFIELD, JEKILS BANK
HOLBEACH ST. JOHNS, HOLBEACH
SPALDING
PE12 8RQ
UNITED KINGDOM
We call it "yak11" scheme as its from my yak 11 and it was some 13
years ago we designed that. I'm not sure to be frank but if no one else
answers I can take my book and do the match but that wont realy help as you
cant get sikkins paints in USA and that's what we use.
Keep this number handy +44 1235 442 155 its sikkins help line and they
will convert codes.
I don't have Roberts em so pls fwd.
Cheers, mj
From: Fraser, Gus [mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com]
Sent: 02 February 2006 20:00
To: 'mark.j@yakuk.com'
Subject: FW: Yak-List:
I bet you know..
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List:
Does anyone know the owner of UK registered Yak 52 G-CUPS ??? I
love this paint scheme and would like to get the paint code numbers.?
thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
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| Subject: | Re: Pin Wrench Needed |
Stephen,
You may find an off-the-shelf pin spanner that will work at www.mcmaster.com . The pin needs to be 1/8".
Dennis
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From: Stephen J. Byers
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:34 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Pin Wrench Needed
Hey Everyone,
This is my fist posting so I hope I am doing this correctly.
I need to remove an exhaust manifold off of a CJ-6A (www.sennex.com/cj6a)
Would anyone have the pin wrench that would fit this. for Sale, Rent or Loan?
I would be glad to put up a deposit for one.
If the picture doesn't come through I will follow up with a web link to it.
Thanks
Steve
412-401-5025
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The list is a social gathering of sorts, Brian.
I've learned to use my delete key effectively. I suspect others do as well.
So be it.
Frank
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: Yak-List: [list-issue] Re: Subject Lines - Trash Talk
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Wouldnt need this if people just stuck to the topic and went to
> another board to vent their other views.
Other than "we should just shoot all the rag-heads" virtually every topic we
have had on here has been directly or indirectly associated with how we fly
our aircraft.
When you go out to dinner or lunch with your flying buddies, do you only
talk about your airplane? I know I don't.
--
Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
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Ben Marsh
Don't you know it's because of his cute girlfriend that he don't have no
money?
Frank :)
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| Subject: | Pin Wrench Needed |
Steve, Did I mis understand? Sure I will loan you mine, no problem no
deposit. I thought you were looking to buy one. Send me your address
before 4 today PST and cover the shipping I'll have it in today's UPS.
Sorry for the confusion
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Stephen J. Byers
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:35 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Pin Wrench Needed
Hey Everyone,
This is my fist posting so I hope I am doing this correctly.
I need to remove an exhaust manifold off of a CJ-6A (www.sennex.com/cj6a)
Would anyone have the pin wrench that would fit this. for Sale, Rent or
Loan? I would be glad to put up a deposit for one.
If the picture doesn't come through I will follow up with a web link to
it.
Thanks
Steve
412-401-5025
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Just as an FYI, Carl and Jill Hays of M-14P.com are developing a regular air
filter for the M14. I can't wait for that one.
Frank
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| Subject: | Yak-55/55m gills |
Russian Maintenanse Schedule has a large section devoted to seasonal maintenanse.
Preparations for spring/ summer operation among other items require removal
of gills. When gills are removed, don't forget to put fillets to the front
inner parts of cawling covers.
Happy summer flying.
Gena P.
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1. 04:00 AM - Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Craig Payne)
2. 05:07 AM - Re: gear problem (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: gear problem (Fraser, Gus)
4. 05:40 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: Going after overzealous FedsGoing after overzealous Feds
(Valkyre1)
6. 06:51 AM - CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
7. 06:51 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (Valkyre1)
8. 06:59 AM - Re: Going after overzealous Feds (Brian Lloyd)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (David McGirt)
10. 07:14 AM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some
of you will want to hit delete now] (Valkyre1)
11. 07:22 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (marksorenson)
12. 07:34 AM - Re: Hangars (marksorenson)
13. 07:37 AM - Re: Useful VFR Maps Site (marksorenson)
14. 09:14 AM - CJ (doug sapp)
15. 09:20 AM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 09:40 AM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Ernest Martinez)
17. 09:54 AM - Re: CJ (Scooter)
18. 10:50 AM - Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Scott Kirk)
19. 10:52 AM - Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
20. 10:56 AM - Re: Re: Re: Iris Instead of Grills (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
21. 10:57 AM - RedStar S. E. Region Pilots (cjpilot710@aol.com)
22. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: CJ (doug sapp)
23. 12:44 PM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
24. 12:44 PM - Re: CJ6A: stations for CG calculation (Brian Lloyd)
25. 01:55 PM - Re: CJ (cgalley)
26. 03:50 PM - Overzealous Feds (Frank Haertlein)
27. 03:50 PM - Fun to fly again (Frank Haertlein)
28. 03:52 PM - Re: Nuclear waste and Us vs. the Government (was: Radium) [some
of you will want to hit delete now] (Frank Haertlein)
29. 04:27 PM - Re: Overzealous Feds (Brian Lloyd)
30. 07:28 PM - Check your computers folks. (fraseg)
31. 07:53 PM - Re: 4 sale (Michael Beach Hartwigs Trucks)
32. 08:19 PM - gear retract (jandefinley@comcast.net)
33. 09:26 PM - Re: Going after overzealous Feds (fish@aviation-tech.com)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 04:00:46 AM PST US
From: "Craig Payne"
Subject: Yak-List: Re: RE: Iris Instead of Grills
Mark G wrote:
>
>I ran them out from the front of the
>engine supercharger cover
Hmmm, could that be the engine gearbox cover?
>(using the same mounting studs that the IRIS would
>attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them, one every 90
>degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back the support that
>the original gills had.
>
>Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage... problem is 100% FIX
>
I too have removed the gills but left the gill outer ring in place with the original
mounting rods. Since I have the Crowder spinner in place now, I'm watching
it all very closely. Another problem I have noticed on cowls without gills
is that the cowl skin UNDER the lower mounting brackets tend to crack through
around the bracket that holds the "donuts" the pins go through. Doublers on the
skin are required.
Craig Payne
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 05:07:21 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: gear problem
Terry,
Walt makes some good points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me
thinks, that with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral
(dumping all pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face of
the valve may be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if the
valve moved to the up side.
Also might want to recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it
and hear the valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not
seated just a little bit, the gear will not re track.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 05:33:52 AM PST US
From: "Fraser, Gus"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: gear problem
Emergency shuttle valve gets my vote, I had exactly the same issue and that
was it.
Gus
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: gear problem
Terry,
Walt makes some good points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me
thinks, that with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral
(dumping all pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face
of the valve may be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if
the valve moved to the up side.
Also might want to recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it
and hear the valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not
seated just a little bit, the gear will not re track.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7>
Emergency shuttle valve
gets my vote, I had exactly the same issue and that was it.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:04
AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: gear
problem
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00">Terry,
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00">
Walt makes some good
points. But I would check your gear handle valve. Me thinks, that
with the gear working AFTER you've put the handle in neutral (dumping all
pressure), that you may have a problem there in that the face of the valve may
be scratched or corroded allowing pressure to cross even if the valve moved to
the up side.
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00">
Also might want to
recheck that emergency shuttle valve. If you can sake it and hear the
valve spring back and forth, it's good. If that valve is not seated just
a little bit, the gear will not re track.
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #80ff00">
Jim "Pappy"
Goolsby
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 05:40:24 AM PST US
From: "Fraser, Gus"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Iris Instead of Grills
Un the Sukhoi and my SP the whole cowl is MUCH stronger than the standard
50/52 cowl. For example, the front of the cowl is shaped like a wing there
is baffling on the inside of the cowl that gives great strength. Also there
are support arms from all cylinders to the cowl (see attached picture) I bet
you have wondered what those bolts on the front of the cylinder were for,
well guess no more because they are the mounting for the support arms.
The diameter of the cowl opening is also slightly smaller hence the gap on a
52 cowl when the flaps are closed.
Hope this helps
Gus
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Iris Instead of Grills
Hello Mark,
This is ANOTHER "Mark" so this is bound to get confusing. Tim mentioned my
experience in regard to flying without gills, so I thought I would bring my
experiences in this regard to light.
There have been a number of people who have replaced the gill system with
the IRIS system, and the conversion is fairly simple. One thing to keep in
mind is that there are two different types of systems for controlling the
IRIS. The original system found on most Sukhoi 26's and their ilk used two
cables in semi hard tubes that each fed to a round wheel on the IRIS itself.
In the cockpit there is a control LEVER that pulls on one cable at a time...
obviously as you pull on one cable (and put it into tension) the other moves
backwards and is slack and at that point the wheel on the IRIS pulls keeping
it taught. Just picture two cables attached 180 degrees apart to the outer
rim of a wheel and you'll get the picture.
The newer method (and more preferable by far) is found on the newer SU-31's,
and uses a HARD TUBE PUSH/PULL ROD very close to what controls the original
YAK prop and gills. If you get the NEWER IRIS, you should be able to use
the existing YAK control that comes on the aircraft that used to control
your gills.
Ok, now the bad news.
My YAK-50 came with the Les Crowder big spinner mod. (I mean as in HUGE..
looks good though, and I have been told that this is really a YAK-18T
spinner, but I don't know for sure). Anyway, this mod required all the
gills to be removed.
So, when I originally bought the aircraft, it had 110 hours on it since new,
and away I went... no gills, no problem, who cares anyway?
After about 150 additional hours or so, I started getting all sorts of
cracking on the cowling leading edges. Then the hollow tubes that the front
of the top and bottom cowling are riveted to, started cracking too. This
problem became more serious as time went on, because at the same time, the
little red tubes/struts that hold the cowl MOUNTING ring in place started to
crack and break TOO! These are the little adjustable things that bolt to
the front of each cylinder and go straight out to the cowl mounting ring.
At the time, I could not imagine what was causing all this. When my cowl
was closed, it closed fairly firmly on the front cowl ring I just described
above. I thought this might be the problem so I loosened everything up.
Wrong Answer. The problem got worse.
I put soft fabric material between the mounting ring and the cowl ring....
this helped a little, but it could still easily be seen that things were
just vibrating too darn much. I might also mention that my two bladed prop
was also out of balance quite a bit. Balanced the prop.... and that helped,
but did not STOP the problem.
I then got the chance to study a YAK-52 up close and personal, and could see
that those gills added quite a lot of support to that front cowl ring. So,
I made four adjustable struts out of stainless steel tubing.... identical in
design and function to the ones coming straight out from the cylinder
attachment points, but for these... I ran them out from the front of the
engine supercharger cover (using the same mounting studs that the IRIS would
attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them, one every 90
degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back the support that
the original gills had.
Result? Problem cured. No more cowling damage... problem is 100% FIXED.
This leads me to advise AGAINST putting an IRIS system on a YAK-50/52,
UNLESS you also take additional steps to support that front cowl ring.
There are a lot of other factors involved here... such as: "What condition
are your engine mounting rubbers in?" Bottom line, the front of the cowls
MUST MOVE WITH THE ENGINE, and if you take out the gills, you basically have
a situation best pictured by imagining a person holding a HULA-HOOP out in
front of himself with outstretched arms. Then picture something/ANYTHING,
"hanging from the hula-hoop itself"... you can see, there just is not any
structural strength in that kind of assembly. Put the gills in, and mount
the gills to the engine itself, and you can see that the above picture
regains all of its strength.
By the bye, this is yet another reason to keep those leather mounting pads
in good condition that are located on the engine itself. These ALSO provide
quite an amount of structural support to the whole upper and lower cowl.
Sorry for the long post, but the details were needed in my opinion.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
Here are some other interesting things that I learned the hard way about...
last week!
p.s. Another tid bit for the YAK list. The YAK-52/50/55 and the
Sukhoi-26/29/31 AND the CJ-6, all use the exact same piston in the
air-compressor relief valve. This piston and seal are what you adjust to
control the peak pressure in your air system in the aircraft. Doug Sapp
sells the whole assy. for the CJ.... and you can take it right apart, take
out the piston and spring (and locking nut) and put the whole mess into your
YAK, if you want to do that instead of repair what you have with a new
rubber bushing. Here's the TID BIT: The YAK-52W (and I am GUESSING the
YAK-52TW as well) has a DIFFERENT PISTON in the pressure relief assy. It is
slightly BIGGER and is NOT a direct replacement with all the others
mentioned earlier. Why not? Go figure.
p.p.s. YAK-52W guys... did you know that there is an emergency pressure
relief valve behind the seat that allows you to eliminate emergency air
pressure to the landing gear without having to crack fittings and jack and
cycle the gear, if you ever do happen to open the emergency bottle valve?
p.p.p.s. For those aircraft with the manual engine starting valves (YAK-55,
Sukhoi's) be aware that the rubber replacement tab for the starter valve
MUST have a whole cut in the middle of it. Ignore that fact, and the lever
will work a few times and then fail forever. Trust me on this and save
yourself a lot of head scratching.
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]On Behalf Of Mark Sorenson
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:10 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Iris Instead of Grills
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Hello all,
Can anyone tell me if it is practical to replace the grills on the front of
my Yak with an Iris type grill. Thanks.
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class=722013213-31012006>Un the Sukhoi and my SP the whole cowl is MUCH stronger
than the standard 50/52 cowl. For example, the front of the cowl is shaped like
a wing there is baffling on the inside of the cowl that gives great strength.
Also there are support arms from all cylinders to the cowl (see attached
picture) I bet you have wondered what those bolts on the front of the cylinder
were for, well guess no more because they are the mounting for the support
arms.
class=722013213-31012006>
class=722013213-31012006>The diameter of the cowl opening is also slightly
smaller hence the gap on a 52 cowl when the flaps are
closed.
class=722013213-31012006>
class=722013213-31012006>Hope this helps
class=722013213-31012006>
class=722013213-31012006>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich
GS11 Mark G
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 6:22 PM
'yak-list@matronics.com'
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Iris Instead of
Grills
Hello Mark,
This is ANOTHER "Mark" so this is bound to get
confusing. Tim mentioned my experience in regard to flying without
gills, so I thought I would bring my experiences in this regard to
light.
There have been a number of people who have replaced the gill
system with the IRIS system, and the conversion is fairly simple. One
thing to keep in mind is that there are two different types of systems for
controlling the IRIS. The original system found on most Sukhoi 26's and
their ilk used two cables in semi hard tubes that each fed to a round wheel on
the IRIS itself. In the cockpit there is a control LEVER that pulls on
one cable at a time... obviously as you pull on one cable (and put it into
tension) the other moves backwards and is slack and at that point the wheel on
the IRIS pulls keeping it taught. Just picture two cables attached
180 degrees apart to the outer rim of a wheel and you'll get the
picture.
The newer method (and more preferable by far) is found on the
newer SU-31's, and uses a HARD TUBE PUSH/PULL ROD very close to what controls
the original YAK prop and gills. If you get the NEWER IRIS, you should
be able to use the existing YAK control that comes on the aircraft that used
to control your gills.
Ok, now the bad news.
My YAK-50 came with the Les Crowder big spinner mod. (I mean
as in HUGE.. looks good though, and I have been told that this is really a
YAK-18T spinner, but I don't know for sure). Anyway, this mod required
all the gills to be removed.
So, when I originally bought the aircraft, it had 110 hours on
it since new, and away I went... no gills, no problem, who cares anyway?
After about 150 additional hours or so, I started getting all
sorts of cracking on the cowling leading edges. Then the hollow tubes
that the front of the top and bottom cowling are riveted to, started cracking
too. This problem became more serious as time went on, because at the
same time, the little red tubes/struts that hold the cowl MOUNTING ring in
place started to crack and break TOO! These are the little adjustable
things that bolt to the front of each cylinder and go straight out to the cowl
mounting ring.
At the time, I could not imagine what was causing all
this. When my cowl was closed, it closed fairly firmly on the front cowl
ring I just described above. I thought this might be the problem so I
loosened everything up. Wrong Answer. The problem got worse.
I put soft fabric material between the mounting ring and the
cowl ring.... this helped a little, but it could still easily be seen that
things were just vibrating too darn much. I might also mention that my
two bladed prop was also out of balance quite a bit. Balanced the
prop.... and that helped, but did not STOP the problem.
I then got the chance to study a YAK-52 up close and personal,
and could see that those gills added quite a lot of support to that front cowl
ring. So, I made four adjustable struts out of stainless steel
tubing.... identical in design and function to the ones coming straight out
from the cylinder attachment points, but for these... I ran them out from the
front of the engine supercharger cover (using the same mounting studs that the
IRIS would attach to) HORIZONTALLY to the front cowl ring. Four of them,
one every 90 degrees. These acted like spokes on a wheel, and gave back
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| Subject: | .357 Colt King Cobra............. |
Dennis
The following link is one reason I enjoy the YAK-LIST as much as I do.
http://www.barry.fireflyinternet.co.uk/fun/files/pilot.htm
Maybe I need to get a life?.........Naaaaaaaaaaaaa :)
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: .357 Colt King Cobra............. |
MessageThat's the same link I sent out earlier today. Ain't it terrific? Yeah!
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:24 PM
Subject: Yak-List: .357 Colt King Cobra.............
Dennis
The following link is one reason I enjoy the YAK-LIST as much as I do.
http://www.barry.fireflyinternet.co.uk/fun/files/pilot.htm
Maybe I need to get a life?.........Naaaaaaaaaaaaa :)
Frank
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At 21:24 02/02/2006 Pappy wrote:
The English, God love'm! Why is it our English cousins have such loooonnnng
addresses? The island isn't that big! :-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
I know. But when I lived in LA my street address was 8010 Rothdell Trail off
Laurel Canyon. 8010 and only three houses on Rothdell Trail?!
Americans. God love'm! Why do they like such big numbers :-D
Happy Landings
____|____
\O/
o'o Martin Robinson
Auster AOP 9 G-BKVK (WZ662)
Yak 18T HA-YAV
Its that pilot syndrome. Leather jacket. Big wings. Big watch. Big
D*&k. And I guess big numbers. ;-)
"God help me. I do love it so."
Pappy
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| Subject: | [humor] Pappy's comments |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> /*Its that pilot syndrome. Leather jacket. Big wings. Big watch.
> Big D*&k. And I guess big numbers. ;-)*/
Uh Pappy, psychologically speaking, the big watch and big wings are just
a form of compensation. Didn't you know that?
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Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 Maintenance Class in California |
Mike
I am interested in attending a Yak-52 Maintenance Class. I am based in
Livermore CA. Let me know as interest develops.
Preston Carter
PHCarter@aol.com
Yak-52, N6209F
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| Subject: | Re: [humor] Pappy's comments |
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
May be for you buddy! :-D
> /*Its that pilot syndrome. Leather jacket. Big wings. Big watch.
> Big D*&k. And I guess big numbers. ;-)*/
Uh Pappy, psychologically speaking, the big watch and big wings are just
a form of compensation. Didn't you know that?
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Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Yak-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
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PLEASE READ. This document contains Yak-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the Yak-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the Yak-List
running smoothly for all of us.
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*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
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Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
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Send an email message to:
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Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
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*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
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When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
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*** Enclosures Stripped Out - Can't Get a Virus From the List ***
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Any enclosures that are posted to the List will automatically be
stripped off, and ONLY the plain/text portion of the message will be
forwarded to the List.
Please configure your Email application to send Plain Text Only, and
disable any "Quoted Printable" or "HTML" encoding whenever possible.
Because enclosures are stripped out of incoming posts to the List,
the likelihood of getting a virus from the List is extremely small.
If you do receive a message that appears to be from the List, and it
does include a virus, it is very likely that it was sent *directly*
to you from someone on the List who has a virus. This is a specific
kind of virus, and you should try to inform the sender, if possible.
The best protection against viruses is a good virus protection program
such as Norton Antivirus. State of the art in virus protection today's
world gives maximum protection with little or no negative impact on
the computer system. You can't afford to be without a good virus
protection program these days.
Note that some limited enclosure posting is now enabled on a number
of Lists. Allowed types include .jpg, .gif, .txt, .pdf, .xls, and
a few other similar types.
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*** Digest Mode ***
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Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "yak-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
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*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
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at the following location:
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*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
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At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
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Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
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Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the Yak-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
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If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
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*** List Member Information ***
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If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
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I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
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*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
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Recent messages posted to the Yak-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/yak-list
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*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
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A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all Yak-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
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*** List Archives ***
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A file containing of all of the previous postings to the Yak-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* Yak-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the Yak-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* Yak-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* Yak-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the Yak-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
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*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
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All messages posted to the Yak-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?Yak
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**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
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You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
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*** File and Photo Share ***
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With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
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*** List Archive CDROM ***
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A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
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You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
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associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
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I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
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Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
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Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
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If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
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