Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:33 AM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03 (Bob Gibfried)
2. 04:32 AM - Re: CH 701 Amphib on cover of Water Flying Mag. (Virgil Zetterlind)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03 (Thomas F Marson)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03 (Cy Galley)
5. 11:50 AM - Re: Aeroflash strobe (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
6. 12:59 PM - Re: Aeroflash strobe (HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1))
7. 02:59 PM - Re: Aeroflash strobe (JERICKSON03E@aol.com)
8. 03:55 PM - Re: Reported 601XL Performance (C P)
9. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Reported 601XL Performance (David & Maria Lumgair)
10. 07:37 PM - Re: Re: Reported 601XL Performance (wizard-24@juno.com)
11. 10:44 PM - Last Minute...? (Matt Dralle)
12. 11:39 PM - does anyone have photos of unloading a 601XL crate? (xl)
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
Don't know much about strobes, but in past threads Aero Flash owners have
complained about the units going bad. Some reported that the factory told
them that was because the unit had not been used frequently and that the
unit had to be returned to the factory to have the capacor replaced.
One enterprising sole drilled the rivets on the power unit, went down to his
local electronics repair shop and replaced the capacator for about $5.00.
Of course this is a no no on a certified aircraft.
Bob, Wichita
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> Total Messages Posted Sun 11/23/03: 9
>
>
> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
>
> 1. 06:09 AM - Re: batteries (Ron DeWees)
> 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (grantc@ca.inter.net)
> 3. 07:50 AM - Re: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine (Scott Laughlin)
> 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (Dave Pepper)
> 5. 10:13 AM - Cabin heat box for sale, never used (Rich)
> 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel tank foam (Dave Alberti)
> 7. 12:09 PM - Aeroflash strobe (Dabusmith@aol.com)
> 8. 02:31 PM - 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot (tonymtroy)
> 9. 07:44 PM - Reported 601XL Performance (Brenton Battles)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:09:01 AM PST US
> From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: batteries
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
>
> Re the power and range from a handheld with a permanently mounted outside
> antenna, I think you will find it will be very adequate. I have a
> non-electric cub with an Icom handheld and bent wire external antenna. I
> can talk 50 miles or more with the internal batteries. The antenna is
more
> of a factor than the battery.
> Good luck
> Ron DeWees
> 601HDS/Jab 3300 in progress
>
> snip>> Anybody using a handheld with a mounted antenna finding that it has
> > sufficient power output?
> >
> > Are the seat pans the same on the HD and the XL?
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:46:31 AM PST US
> From: grantc@ca.inter.net
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: grantc@ca.inter.net
>
> > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
viruses.
>
>
> There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
aircraft ...
> especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press for
politicians.
>
> Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
DESTRUCTION,
> favoured
> by terroritsts from
> Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
>
> Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> can!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:50:52 AM PST US
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Greg:
>
> I'm buying parts from WW for my 601XL. I get answers/parts in "spurts."
> They have sent me everything I ordered, but sometimes it takes a while. I
> had to remind them of one thing I ordered and they sent it right after
that.
> I always pay with Paypal so that makes it easy to keep a record also.
>
> All of the WW products have been excellent so far. I also got the manual
> and all three videos, which help. Are you close to assembling your
engine?
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: gpjann@juno.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
>
> Just wanted to ask the Zodiac/Corvair engine builders if they are having
> the same problem I am in getting engine parts from WW?
> Greg Jannakos
> gpjann@juno.com
>
>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:44:18 AM PST US
> From: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
<rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
>
> Maybe the next time a car bomb is used to kill innocent people, such as in
> Oklahoma City, they ought to ban all automobiles! Detroit would love that
!
> Then when someone releases saran gas in the NY subway, maybe they should
> close down the entire system forever! And you know what? The terrorists
> will sit back and laugh, knowing that they have won! Maybe someone should
> inform the American people that all these chemical and biological weapons
> are dreamed up and manufactured in Ft Detrick. MD, the US military bio
> warfare laboratories. Then maybe the UN should inspect these labs, and
> order the US to destroy them! (I wonder why they hate us so much?!!!!!!!)
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how our buffoons in government react to
certain
> criminal acts, scaring and penalizing the population in order to achieve
> their own objectives. Through their own actions, they bing on the
> terrorist acts which they say they want to prevent! And this guarantees a
> never-ending "war on terrorism" , at huge profit to the special interests
> that run our government.
>
>
> >
> > > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
> viruses.
> >
> > There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
> aircraft ...
> > especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> > attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press
for
> politicians.
> >
> > Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
> DESTRUCTION, favoured
> > by terroritsts from
> > Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
> >
> > Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> > can!
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:13:15 AM PST US
> From: "Rich" <rbauer@INTERGATE.COM>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Cabin heat box for sale, never used
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" <rbauer@intergate.com>
>
> Here is the link with info. Includes the box & the foam gasket. First $20
> takes it. Was bought for around $40+.
> http://www.firstflightbbs.org/CH801/sale.htm
>
> Thanks
> do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US
> From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank foam
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
>
>
> As a former sports car driver I can speak first hand against using foam in
> your tanks, unless your going to change it every year... without fail. I
> and other drivers using professionally manufactured fuel cells and
bladders
> have run into fuel starvation problems due to clogged outlets or filters
as
> the foam breaks off small particles and they accumulate at the outlet
port.
> The cells are great for the application they were designed for, crash
> impacts with deformation to the tank structure, but the foam will always
> decompose due to friction, vibration, chemicals or whatever. On the
amateur
> sports car club racing circuit we ran 30 minute races with another hour or
> two in practice and qualifying and about 10 races a year. So you do the
> math before you put the foam in your tank. One other thing, most of the
> fuel boxes were steel.
>
> Dave
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
>
> Anyone interested in building fuel tanks should
> consider using foam inside them. This has been used
> for years in auto racing.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:09:58 PM PST US
> From: Dabusmith@aol.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Aeroflash strobe
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
>
> I don't remember who asked about how to recharge strobe power supplies
that
> have been sitting for too long. Here are the pages with info.
>
> http://www.aeroflash.com/aftsproc.pdf
> and
> http://www.aeroflash.com/faq.html
> Dave Smith
> N701XL Graham WA.
> 32+ hr and loving it more and more
> PS haven't fixed my bad strobe yet.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:31:52 PM PST US
> From: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi more bending brake articles.
>
> 8-Foot "Home Depot" Bending Brake
>
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/murray.j/tools.htm
>
> Small beading tool in pdf format.
>
> http://www.liot.ca/tools_and_items_you_can_make.htm
>
> More homemade bending brakes.
>
> On the BD-4 site, go >Articles >General Articles >Tools and you will find
3 articles.
>
> http://bd-4.org/index.html?/home.shtml
> Tony
>
>
> Every problem has an answer and ever answer has a problem
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:44:52 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Reported 601XL Performance
> From: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
<brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> I had a great 3.2 hour trip to 4 airports today. At second stop,
> Morristown, TN a lady commercial pilot came up to the airplane and
> said, "that's a Zodiac, isn't it? I just flew in the XL two days ago
> in Mexico with Roger." She went on to say she saw 160 mph in level
> flight.
>
> I may have to start work on my second Zodie!
>
> Regards,
> Brent Battles 601HD 434 hrs since 5/18/00
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | CH 701 Amphib on cover of Water Flying Mag. |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Virgil Zetterlind" <vzett@edwintech.com>
Unfortunately, while my dad and I wrote the article for Water Flying, they
didn't include any pictures of our CH-701 with our text. Pictures of our
airplane at Oshkosh this year can be found at
http://www.edwintech.com/ch-701.htm . If anyone has questions about the
CH-701 on floats, we'd be glad to gives the insights we have from the past 3
years.
- Virgil Zetterlind
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
MElrod3732@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: CH 701 Amphib on cover of Water Flying Mag.
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
The Nov/Dec issue of Water Flying magazine (the publication of the Seaplane
Pilot's Ass'n) has a CH 701 amphib on the cover and an 8 page article inside
with some great photos.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thomas F Marson" <tmarson@pressenter.com>
I have some additional information on this. I purchased an old but never
installed or used system. I think it was around 8 years old when I installed
it in 1995. It worked fine for 4 years. Then on the right wing the flash
unit slowed to less than 1/3 the rate of the good one on the left wing. Also
it was quite dim.
I purchased a new flash tube because it was the easiest thing to do. It
didn't help as the performance remained the same. I flew for a year not
using the system because I had thoughtlessly built the power supply into the
wing with no access to it.
I finally bit the bullet cutting the fabric and building an access door for
futher maintenance. I pulled the power supply and drilled out the cover
rivets to examine the system. Everything looked fine visually so not being
skilled a trouble shooting it I just opted to purchase a new unit for some
80+ dollars.
The new unit works fine. I still fly with the original on the left wing
( no access hole either) when it fails I will make a new access door and
will drill the holes and check and replace the Capacitor. Though I do
know electronics from 30 years ago I am not current to chips etc. I do
understand the capacitor and the fact that it is charged up to lots of volts
and then discharges thru the tube making the flash. It make sense to me
that this is a component that can fail and could easily be the the
component that could cause the symptoms my unit displayed. ( slow to charge
and then not having a full charge a dim flash).
Hope this all helps some. ( remember dont install anything the moves or has
a life without access to it).
Tom Marson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
>
> Don't know much about strobes, but in past threads Aero Flash owners have
> complained about the units going bad. Some reported that the factory told
> them that was because the unit had not been used frequently and that the
> unit had to be returned to the factory to have the capacor replaced.
>
> One enterprising sole drilled the rivets on the power unit, went down to
his
> local electronics repair shop and replaced the capacator for about $5.00.
> Of course this is a no no on a certified aircraft.
>
> Bob, Wichita
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Hyperlinked
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> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
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> >
> >
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> > Total Messages Posted Sun 11/23/03: 9
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 06:09 AM - Re: batteries (Ron DeWees)
> > 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (grantc@ca.inter.net)
> > 3. 07:50 AM - Re: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine (Scott
Laughlin)
> > 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (Dave Pepper)
> > 5. 10:13 AM - Cabin heat box for sale, never used (Rich)
> > 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel tank foam (Dave Alberti)
> > 7. 12:09 PM - Aeroflash strobe (Dabusmith@aol.com)
> > 8. 02:31 PM - 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot (tonymtroy)
> > 9. 07:44 PM - Reported 601XL Performance (Brenton Battles)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:09:01 AM PST US
> > From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: batteries
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Re the power and range from a handheld with a permanently mounted
outside
> > antenna, I think you will find it will be very adequate. I have a
> > non-electric cub with an Icom handheld and bent wire external antenna.
I
> > can talk 50 miles or more with the internal batteries. The antenna is
> more
> > of a factor than the battery.
> > Good luck
> > Ron DeWees
> > 601HDS/Jab 3300 in progress
> >
> > snip>> Anybody using a handheld with a mounted antenna finding that it
has
> > > sufficient power output?
> > >
> > > Are the seat pans the same on the HD and the XL?
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:46:31 AM PST US
> > From: grantc@ca.inter.net
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: grantc@ca.inter.net
> >
> > > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
> viruses.
> >
> >
> > There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
> aircraft ...
> > especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> > attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press
for
> politicians.
> >
> > Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
> DESTRUCTION,
> > favoured
> > by terroritsts from
> > Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
> >
> > Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> > can!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:50:52 AM PST US
> > From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Greg:
> >
> > I'm buying parts from WW for my 601XL. I get answers/parts in
"spurts."
> > They have sent me everything I ordered, but sometimes it takes a while.
I
> > had to remind them of one thing I ordered and they sent it right after
> that.
> > I always pay with Paypal so that makes it easy to keep a record also.
> >
> > All of the WW products have been excellent so far. I also got the
manual
> > and all three videos, which help. Are you close to assembling your
> engine?
> >
> > Scott Laughlin
> > www.cooknwithgas.com
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: gpjann@juno.com
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
> >
> > Just wanted to ask the Zodiac/Corvair engine builders if they are having
> > the same problem I am in getting engine parts from WW?
> > Greg Jannakos
> > gpjann@juno.com
> >
> >
> > Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:44:18 AM PST US
> > From: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Maybe the next time a car bomb is used to kill innocent people, such as
in
> > Oklahoma City, they ought to ban all automobiles! Detroit would love
that
> !
> > Then when someone releases saran gas in the NY subway, maybe they should
> > close down the entire system forever! And you know what? The
terrorists
> > will sit back and laugh, knowing that they have won! Maybe someone
should
> > inform the American people that all these chemical and biological
weapons
> > are dreamed up and manufactured in Ft Detrick. MD, the US military bio
> > warfare laboratories. Then maybe the UN should inspect these labs, and
> > order the US to destroy them! (I wonder why they hate us so
much?!!!!!!!)
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me how our buffoons in government react to
> certain
> > criminal acts, scaring and penalizing the population in order to achieve
> > their own objectives. Through their own actions, they bing on the
> > terrorist acts which they say they want to prevent! And this guarantees
a
> > never-ending "war on terrorism" , at huge profit to the special
interests
> > that run our government.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
> > viruses.
> > >
> > > There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
> > aircraft ...
> > > especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> > > attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press
> for
> > politicians.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
> > DESTRUCTION, favoured
> > > by terroritsts from
> > > Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
> > >
> > > Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> > > can!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:13:15 AM PST US
> > From: "Rich" <rbauer@INTERGATE.COM>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Cabin heat box for sale, never used
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" <rbauer@intergate.com>
> >
> > Here is the link with info. Includes the box & the foam gasket. First
$20
> > takes it. Was bought for around $40+.
> > http://www.firstflightbbs.org/CH801/sale.htm
> >
> > Thanks
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US
> > From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank foam
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> >
> >
> > As a former sports car driver I can speak first hand against using foam
in
> > your tanks, unless your going to change it every year... without fail.
I
> > and other drivers using professionally manufactured fuel cells and
> bladders
> > have run into fuel starvation problems due to clogged outlets or filters
> as
> > the foam breaks off small particles and they accumulate at the outlet
> port.
> > The cells are great for the application they were designed for, crash
> > impacts with deformation to the tank structure, but the foam will always
> > decompose due to friction, vibration, chemicals or whatever. On the
> amateur
> > sports car club racing circuit we ran 30 minute races with another hour
or
> > two in practice and qualifying and about 10 races a year. So you do the
> > math before you put the foam in your tank. One other thing, most of the
> > fuel boxes were steel.
> >
> > Dave
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Anyone interested in building fuel tanks should
> > consider using foam inside them. This has been used
> > for years in auto racing.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:09:58 PM PST US
> > From: Dabusmith@aol.com
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Aeroflash strobe
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I don't remember who asked about how to recharge strobe power supplies
> that
> > have been sitting for too long. Here are the pages with info.
> >
> > http://www.aeroflash.com/aftsproc.pdf
> > and
> > http://www.aeroflash.com/faq.html
> > Dave Smith
> > N701XL Graham WA.
> > 32+ hr and loving it more and more
> > PS haven't fixed my bad strobe yet.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:31:52 PM PST US
> > From: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi more bending brake articles.
> >
> > 8-Foot "Home Depot" Bending Brake
> >
> > http://www3.sympatico.ca/murray.j/tools.htm
> >
> > Small beading tool in pdf format.
> >
> > http://www.liot.ca/tools_and_items_you_can_make.htm
> >
> > More homemade bending brakes.
> >
> > On the BD-4 site, go >Articles >General Articles >Tools and you will
find
> 3 articles.
> >
> > http://bd-4.org/index.html?/home.shtml
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > Every problem has an answer and ever answer has a problem
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:44:52 PM PST US
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Reported 601XL Performance
> > From: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
> <brentbattles@charter.net>
> >
> > I had a great 3.2 hour trip to 4 airports today. At second stop,
> > Morristown, TN a lady commercial pilot came up to the airplane and
> > said, "that's a Zodiac, isn't it? I just flew in the XL two days ago
> > in Mexico with Roger." She went on to say she saw 160 mph in level
> > flight.
> >
> > I may have to start work on my second Zodie!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brent Battles 601HD 434 hrs since 5/18/00
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Why is this a no-no on certified?
Ever go to an FAA approve radio repair place? That is what they do all day.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 11/23/03
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Gibfried" <rfg842@cox.net>
>
> Don't know much about strobes, but in past threads Aero Flash owners have
> complained about the units going bad. Some reported that the factory told
> them that was because the unit had not been used frequently and that the
> unit had to be returned to the factory to have the capacor replaced.
>
> One enterprising sole drilled the rivets on the power unit, went down to
his
> local electronics repair shop and replaced the capacator for about $5.00.
> Of course this is a no no on a certified aircraft.
>
> Bob, Wichita
> =================================================
> > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
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> >
> > Today's complete Zenith-List Digest can be also be found in either
> > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
> > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
Hyperlinked
> > Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
> > version of the Zenith-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
> > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
> >
> > HTML Version:
> >
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> >
> > ================================================
> > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
> > ================================================
> >
> >
> > Zenith-List Digest Archive
> > ---
> > Total Messages Posted Sun 11/23/03: 9
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 06:09 AM - Re: batteries (Ron DeWees)
> > 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (grantc@ca.inter.net)
> > 3. 07:50 AM - Re: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine (Scott
Laughlin)
> > 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Zenith on TV? (Dave Pepper)
> > 5. 10:13 AM - Cabin heat box for sale, never used (Rich)
> > 6. 11:09 AM - Re: Fuel tank foam (Dave Alberti)
> > 7. 12:09 PM - Aeroflash strobe (Dabusmith@aol.com)
> > 8. 02:31 PM - 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot (tonymtroy)
> > 9. 07:44 PM - Reported 601XL Performance (Brenton Battles)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:09:01 AM PST US
> > From: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: batteries
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron DeWees" <rdewees@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Re the power and range from a handheld with a permanently mounted
outside
> > antenna, I think you will find it will be very adequate. I have a
> > non-electric cub with an Icom handheld and bent wire external antenna.
I
> > can talk 50 miles or more with the internal batteries. The antenna is
> more
> > of a factor than the battery.
> > Good luck
> > Ron DeWees
> > 601HDS/Jab 3300 in progress
> >
> > snip>> Anybody using a handheld with a mounted antenna finding that it
has
> > > sufficient power output?
> > >
> > > Are the seat pans the same on the HD and the XL?
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:46:31 AM PST US
> > From: grantc@ca.inter.net
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: grantc@ca.inter.net
> >
> > > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
> viruses.
> >
> >
> > There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
> aircraft ...
> > especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> > attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press
for
> politicians.
> >
> > Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
> DESTRUCTION,
> > favoured
> > by terroritsts from
> > Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
> >
> > Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> > can!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:50:52 AM PST US
> > From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Greg:
> >
> > I'm buying parts from WW for my 601XL. I get answers/parts in
"spurts."
> > They have sent me everything I ordered, but sometimes it takes a while.
I
> > had to remind them of one thing I ordered and they sent it right after
> that.
> > I always pay with Paypal so that makes it easy to keep a record also.
> >
> > All of the WW products have been excellent so far. I also got the
manual
> > and all three videos, which help. Are you close to assembling your
> engine?
> >
> > Scott Laughlin
> > www.cooknwithgas.com
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: gpjann@juno.com
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac 601HDS with Corvair engine
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: gpjann@juno.com
> >
> > Just wanted to ask the Zodiac/Corvair engine builders if they are having
> > the same problem I am in getting engine parts from WW?
> > Greg Jannakos
> > gpjann@juno.com
> >
> >
> > Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 08:44:18 AM PST US
> > From: "Dave Pepper" <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith on TV?
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Pepper"
> <rockinrimranch@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Maybe the next time a car bomb is used to kill innocent people, such as
in
> > Oklahoma City, they ought to ban all automobiles! Detroit would love
that
> !
> > Then when someone releases saran gas in the NY subway, maybe they should
> > close down the entire system forever! And you know what? The
terrorists
> > will sit back and laugh, knowing that they have won! Maybe someone
should
> > inform the American people that all these chemical and biological
weapons
> > are dreamed up and manufactured in Ft Detrick. MD, the US military bio
> > warfare laboratories. Then maybe the UN should inspect these labs, and
> > order the US to destroy them! (I wonder why they hate us so
much?!!!!!!!)
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me how our buffoons in government react to
> certain
> > criminal acts, scaring and penalizing the population in order to achieve
> > their own objectives. Through their own actions, they bing on the
> > terrorist acts which they say they want to prevent! And this guarantees
a
> > never-ending "war on terrorism" , at huge profit to the special
interests
> > that run our government.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > They promo'd an episode about tersts who use ultralights to release
> > viruses.
> > >
> > > There will be continued pressure to restrict flying rights of light
> > aircraft ...
> > > especially if some crazy actually uses one in an
> > > attack. Regulating small aircraft is so VISIBLE and makes good press
> for
> > politicians.
> > >
> > > Meanwhile no one is about to address the preferred VEHICLE OF MASS
> > DESTRUCTION, favoured
> > > by terroritsts from
> > > Oklahoma to Bagdad -- the pickup truck.
> > >
> > > Fly safe, and enjoy it while we
> > > can!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 10:13:15 AM PST US
> > From: "Rich" <rbauer@INTERGATE.COM>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Cabin heat box for sale, never used
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rich" <rbauer@intergate.com>
> >
> > Here is the link with info. Includes the box & the foam gasket. First
$20
> > takes it. Was bought for around $40+.
> > http://www.firstflightbbs.org/CH801/sale.htm
> >
> > Thanks
> > do not archive
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US
> > From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> > Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel tank foam
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> >
> >
> > As a former sports car driver I can speak first hand against using foam
in
> > your tanks, unless your going to change it every year... without fail.
I
> > and other drivers using professionally manufactured fuel cells and
> bladders
> > have run into fuel starvation problems due to clogged outlets or filters
> as
> > the foam breaks off small particles and they accumulate at the outlet
> port.
> > The cells are great for the application they were designed for, crash
> > impacts with deformation to the tank structure, but the foam will always
> > decompose due to friction, vibration, chemicals or whatever. On the
> amateur
> > sports car club racing circuit we ran 30 minute races with another hour
or
> > two in practice and qualifying and about 10 races a year. So you do the
> > math before you put the foam in your tank. One other thing, most of the
> > fuel boxes were steel.
> >
> > Dave
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brett Hanley <bretttdc@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Anyone interested in building fuel tanks should
> > consider using foam inside them. This has been used
> > for years in auto racing.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 12:09:58 PM PST US
> > From: Dabusmith@aol.com
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Aeroflash strobe
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
> >
> >
> > I don't remember who asked about how to recharge strobe power supplies
> that
> > have been sitting for too long. Here are the pages with info.
> >
> > http://www.aeroflash.com/aftsproc.pdf
> > and
> > http://www.aeroflash.com/faq.html
> > Dave Smith
> > N701XL Graham WA.
> > 32+ hr and loving it more and more
> > PS haven't fixed my bad strobe yet.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 02:31:52 PM PST US
> > From: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Zenith-List: 8 foot bending brake plans, Home Depot
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: tonymtroy <yah67890@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hi more bending brake articles.
> >
> > 8-Foot "Home Depot" Bending Brake
> >
> > http://www3.sympatico.ca/murray.j/tools.htm
> >
> > Small beading tool in pdf format.
> >
> > http://www.liot.ca/tools_and_items_you_can_make.htm
> >
> > More homemade bending brakes.
> >
> > On the BD-4 site, go >Articles >General Articles >Tools and you will
find
> 3 articles.
> >
> > http://bd-4.org/index.html?/home.shtml
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > Every problem has an answer and ever answer has a problem
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 07:44:52 PM PST US
> > Subject: Zenith-List: Reported 601XL Performance
> > From: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
> <brentbattles@charter.net>
> >
> > I had a great 3.2 hour trip to 4 airports today. At second stop,
> > Morristown, TN a lady commercial pilot came up to the airplane and
> > said, "that's a Zodiac, isn't it? I just flew in the XL two days ago
> > in Mexico with Roger." She went on to say she saw 160 mph in level
> > flight.
> >
> > I may have to start work on my second Zodie!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Brent Battles 601HD 434 hrs since 5/18/00
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 11/23/2003 2:10:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Dabusmith@aol.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
>
> I don't remember who asked about how to recharge strobe power supplies that
> have been sitting for too long. Here are the pages with info.
>
> http://www.aeroflash.com/aftsproc.pdf
> and
> http://www.aeroflash.com/faq.html
> Dave Smith
> N701XL Graham WA.
> 32+ hr and loving it more and more
> PS haven't fixed my bad strobe yet.
>
>
Hi Dave,
I downloaded the trouble shooting info, to find that it says to use a 25%
reduced voltage to charge the power supply.
Not having that capability, I called the AEROFLASH TECH SUPPORT number,
(312)733-3513 EXT 121, and talked with Lisa.
Lisa advised that the procedure to charge the PN 152-0011 power supply, as in
the Zenith kit, is,,,
1. DISSCONNECT the wing tip flash tubes, from the power supplies.
2. Input 12 volt power [battery] for 5 min. This charges the capacitor
without it discharging, like with the flash tubes connected.
3. Power off. Wait awhile like it says on the power supply [I added this
step].
4. Connect the flash tubes to the power supply.
Lisa advised not to try to use a battery charger for power, as I had asked
that question.
Lisa said to pass the word that those with questions about charging the, long
time not in use power supplies, can call her at the Tech Support number.
My advice is to call her. I was in the aircraft tech support line way back
when,, always good to talk with the current expert before proceeding.
She was of great help, and knew exactly what the problem was.
Hope this helps with the charging question.
Jerry Erickson, about to install the strobes on 701SP long wing.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And the capacitors will still fail...well mine did anyway.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JERICKSON03E@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Aeroflash strobe
--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 11/23/2003 2:10:51 PM Central Standard Time,
Dabusmith@aol.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dabusmith@aol.com
>
>
> I don't remember who asked about how to recharge strobe power supplies
> that
> have been sitting for too long. Here are the pages with info.
>
> http://www.aeroflash.com/aftsproc.pdf
> and
> http://www.aeroflash.com/faq.html
> Dave Smith
> N701XL Graham WA.
> 32+ hr and loving it more and more
> PS haven't fixed my bad strobe yet.
>
>
Hi Dave,
I downloaded the trouble shooting info, to find that it says to use a 25%
reduced voltage to charge the power supply.
Not having that capability, I called the AEROFLASH TECH SUPPORT number,
(312)733-3513 EXT 121, and talked with Lisa.
Lisa advised that the procedure to charge the PN 152-0011 power supply, as
in
the Zenith kit, is,,,
1. DISSCONNECT the wing tip flash tubes, from the power supplies. 2. Input
12 volt power [battery] for 5 min. This charges the capacitor
without it discharging, like with the flash tubes connected.
3. Power off. Wait awhile like it says on the power supply [I added this
step].
4. Connect the flash tubes to the power supply.
Lisa advised not to try to use a battery charger for power, as I had asked
that question.
Lisa said to pass the word that those with questions about charging the,
long
time not in use power supplies, can call her at the Tech Support number.
My advice is to call her. I was in the aircraft tech support line way back
when,, always good to talk with the current expert before proceeding.
She was of great help, and knew exactly what the problem was.
Hope this helps with the charging question.
Jerry Erickson, about to install the strobes on 701SP long wing.
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: JERICKSON03E@aol.com
In a message dated 11/25/2003 2:59:56 PM Central Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "HINDE,FRANK (HP-Corvallis,ex1)" <
> frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> And the capacitors will still fail...well mine did anyway.
>
> Frank
>
Frank,
It seems that if these power supplies have the need for recharging after
periods of non use,,, that it would be useful to do the recharge as a standard
maintenance action,,, before returning them,, or putting them to use?
In the absence of other information, that is what I plan to do.
Also, it would be good to learn how to maintain/repair the power supply.
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Reported 601XL Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Hi,
I'm new to the list so please excuse if this has been hashed
out, but I didn't see much in the archives. I have only recently
started looking at the 601XL now that it has the dual stick
option. Before I was mostly leaning towards the RV-7A; but, I
think I'd have an easer time with the pulled rivets.
What kind of speeds can I realistically expect with 160 HP? 180
HP? I'll build light with night VFR instruments only. I am
thinking of a Mazda rotary or Eggenfellner Subaru. My
requirments are 150 MPH cruise and use of a 1600' runway with
trees at the end.
Have builders built up a fastback fuselage to decrease drag? The
wheel pants on the factory photos are bulbous and I bet Van's
would add a few more MPH. Any common cowling or fairing mods?
thanks for the input,
Chuck
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Reported 601XL Performance |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David & Maria Lumgair" <dlummy@visi.net>
Chuck -
Not sure what to tell you - but I think you can expect terminal velocity
as 180 horsepower exceeds the recommended max of 125hp by a stiff margin..
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "C P" <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Reported 601XL Performance
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: C P <yankeerv10@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to the list so please excuse if this has been hashed
> out, but I didn't see much in the archives. I have only recently
> started looking at the 601XL now that it has the dual stick
> option. Before I was mostly leaning towards the RV-7A; but, I
> think I'd have an easer time with the pulled rivets.
>
> What kind of speeds can I realistically expect with 160 HP? 180
> HP? I'll build light with night VFR instruments only. I am
> thinking of a Mazda rotary or Eggenfellner Subaru. My
> requirments are 150 MPH cruise and use of a 1600' runway with
> trees at the end.
>
> Have builders built up a fastback fuselage to decrease drag? The
> wheel pants on the factory photos are bulbous and I bet Van's
> would add a few more MPH. Any common cowling or fairing mods?
>
> thanks for the input,
> Chuck
>
>
> __________________________________
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>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: wizard-24@juno.com
Looks like you better head back towards the RV. First, I don't think the
airframe is rated to handle 180hp. Second, as someone joked earlier, the
only way the XL could make 150mph is with the engine off flying straight
down.
Seriously, with those requirements, I think you're probably gonna be
bucking lots of rivets.
Mike Fortunato
601XL
> started looking at the 601XL now that it has the dual stick
> option. Before I was mostly leaning towards the RV-7A; but, I
> think I'd have an easer time with the pulled rivets.
>
> What kind of speeds can I realistically expect with 160 HP? 180
> HP? I'll build light with night VFR instruments only. I am
> thinking of a Mazda rotary or Eggenfellner Subaru. My
> requirments are 150 MPH cruise
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
First, I would like to thank everyone that has so graciously already made a
Contribution to support the Email Lists this year!! Thank you!
That being said, I'm hoping that everyone else is just waiting until the
last minute to make their Contribution... The percentage of List members
making a Contribution is well below last year at this time. Was it
something I said...? :-)
There's only a few more days left in this year's Fund Raiser; please help
support the continued operation and upgrade of these Lists by making a
Contribution today.
You might look at it this way; surly the Lists are as entertaining as a
typical magazine subscription - maybe more so because you can actually make
your personal opinion known as well as ask questions of the "experts"! A
year's subscription to Kitplanes, for example, is $30 -- and you only get
it once a month! You can get nuggets of goodness from the List almost
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| Subject: | does anyone have photos of unloading a 601XL crate? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: xl <xl@prosody.org>
I'm making a photo record of the construction process.
But, I do not have any footage of unloading the crate from
the UHaul box truck that I picked it up in.
I was single handed and the photos slipped.
I can get pictures from the zenair site of the crates
being loading for shipping. But, I don't have any unloading.
I know -- it may be absurd. But I'd like to get surrogate photos.
Thanks, Joe
N633Z - prepping for airworthiness inspection + 1st flight!
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