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1. 08:20 AM - [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:44 AM - corvair HD dual control? (601corvair)
3. 11:19 AM - Face/Purolator pump acquisition? (Trevor Page)
4. 12:52 PM - Re: Rotax proposed AD (Richard T. Perry)
5. 03:37 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 09/22/04 (Dale Carlson)
6. 06:32 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? (Lawrence Webber)
7. 07:40 PM - Re: Face/Purolator pump acquisition? (Jeffrey Davidson)
8. 07:50 PM - Re: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith (Timothy Coalwell)
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
[Reminder repost... -Matt]
Dear Zenith Listers,
I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create some
model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and
801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the List
will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single
list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what keeps
the list alive and healthy.
That being said, as the List administrator, I want to provide the kind of
service that the members want, so I'm open to discussion on the
topic. Rather than chew up a whole lot of bandwidth on the Zenith-List on
the subject, I have created a simple survey form that will allow all the
members to vote on what they personally would like to see.
Basically, there are three options:
1) Keep it the same. One List (Zenith-List) that services all models.
2) Add three new model-specific lists for the 601, 701, and 801.
3) Add two new model-specific lists; one for the 601, and one for
the 701/801.
In all three cases, the current Zenith-List will remain as is. I will run
the survey for 7 days ending on Sunday September 26th at 12 Noon PDT. At
that time I will tally the votes and post a summary to the Zenith-List.
Below is the URL to the survey form. Upon completion of the survey, you
will receive an email confirming your vote. Please fill out all
information on the form. Forms without Name and Email won't be counted,
and duplicate submissions will be deleted.
http://www.matronics.com/zenith-list/survey.html
Thanks for taking the time to fill out the survey. The more people that
fill it out, the more accurately the results will reflect what the Zenith
Listers would like.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Zenith List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | corvair HD dual control? |
0.58 FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS From": Zenith-List@matronics.com
--> Zenith-List message posted by: 601corvair <airvair601@yahoo.com>
I just had an interesting conversation with the folks at ZAC I had initially asked
if a firewall forward engine package purchased for an XL would fit in an
HD. They assured me they were interchangeable. I am thinking of buying a mount
for a corvair that was designed with the XL as a prototype and I wanted to
make sure the firewall bolt position was the same ( I realize the bolts are longer
in the most common Corvair (WW) application). I also inquired as to whether
dual stick plans for the HD were still available and was told that there
never were dual stick plans for the HD only the XL. I thought that they had
been but was assured the did not exist. I really thought I had read about them
in the past, but realizing I could be having a Senior Moment with my memory
I dropped that line of inquiry. My questions for the list are. 1) Does anyone
recall the set of drawings/ plans that I see to be imagining. 2) Does anyone
have an old (obviously obsolete cope of drawing f
or dual
controls for the HD ( ZAC or home made), or 3) if you have any info on the XL
dual stick version, how hard would it be to modify them for the HD? Thanks phill
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| Subject: | Face/Purolator pump acquisition? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
LIsters,
I'm needing another Facet pump for my plane and I was wondering if
anyone knows where I can get one in Canada? I'm in Ontario.
I've tried a few of the local car parts places and they look at me kind
funny and I'd hate to bring one in from the U.S. for something this
simple.
Any thoughts?
Thanks
Trevor Page
601HD
Fuselage done
Engine in progress
Canopy in progress
Wings done
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| Subject: | Rotax proposed AD |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Richard T. Perry" <perryrt@hotmail.com>
>All this may be a bag of wind. Rotax started fishing for solution to air
>in
>the oil galleys about a year ago. What was finally found (and presented at
>Oshkosh) is that the oil companies changed the formulation of the
>recommended oils, and the inverse crankcase pressure system, used to return
>the oil to the tank, would foam the oil to the point that a lot of air was
>pulled into the normally pressurized side of the system. The excessive
>amount of air allows the lifters to collapse, and then you get bent
>pushrods
>and a general lack of lubrication. Rotax released new specifics as to oil
>brands and their usage with autogas and avgas. They recommend only
>draining
>the oil tank at oil change and not worry about the small amount left in the
>oil cooler and related oil lines.
A good reason to file your comments with the FAA, I would think.
Regards,
Richard T. Perry perryrt@hotmail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 09/22/04 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dale Carlson" <carlsondcarlson@earthlink.net>
Bill,
I don't have enough experience with my 801 yet to answer your question. I
plan to use a hollow "P" sort of a weather strip around my doors. I am just
about ready to hang the engine so another 10 years or so should see this
think fly.
How do you like your 801 after 130 hours? Has the air frame held up..no
unusual wear patters or weak areas. How does she fly? Is the airplane
what you expected it to be. Would you make any changes if you were to build
another one?
How you have had a good time with it.
Dale Carlson
California, Missouri
N128DC
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Subject: Zenith-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 09/22/04
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> 1. 03:58 AM - (owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com)
> 2. 08:58 AM - 801 weather stripping (Keystone Engineering LLC)
> 3. 11:17 AM - Re: (Gary Gower)
> 4. 01:30 PM - Re: (Johann G.)
> 5. 02:20 PM - Re: (Gary Gower)
> 6. 02:40 PM - Re: UHS Spinners (Phil Raker)
> 7. 04:08 PM - Re: Rotax proposed AD (Dave Alberti)
> 8. 04:11 PM - Re: 601 POH (Bill Morelli)
> 9. 05:38 PM - Re: Bellows for nose steering control rods (Mark
Stauffer)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:58:05 AM PST US
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List:
> MISSING_SUBJECT@matronics.com, Missing@matronics.com, Subject:,
> header@matronics.com
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
>
> Hello list members.
>
> I looked at the link I received from John W, and the sensor I am
referring
> to is located next to the oil pressure sensor, and it is plugged with a
> bolt # 36 in the manual drawing. The sensor I have, has two contacts and
a
> little larger than the oil temp sensor,(which BTW I now know where it
is).
>
> If anyone can tell me what this sensor is for, I would appreciate it. If
> it is something I could do without, I will just plug the hole with a
bolt.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> www.fisflug.tk
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:58:43 AM PST US
> From: Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: 801 weather stripping
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Keystone Engineering LLC
<keystone@gci.net>
>
> I seem to get wet every time I fly my 801 when it is raining. I am using
foam
> weather stripping around the doors. Does anyone have a suggestion for a
better
> method of weather stripping the doors?
>
> I found when I installed thin weather stripping on the bottom access door,
some
> of the oil canning at low speeds disappeared.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> Valdez, AK
> N801BW
> 130 hrs
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:17:18 AM PST US
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello Jon,
>
> Probably is an oil pressure sensitive on/off switch for the hour meter
> (Hobbs), I have one installed in my engine. prevents the hour meter
> to run when the master in on, until the engine is running and oil
> pressure starts the hour meter. I installed with a Y paralel with the
> oil prsssure sender.
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> Guadalajara, Mexico.
> --- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> >
> > Hello list members.
> >
> > I looked at the link I received from John W, and the sensor I am
> > referring
> > to is located next to the oil pressure sensor, and it is plugged
> > with a
> > bolt # 36 in the manual drawing. The sensor I have, has two contacts
> > and a
> > little larger than the oil temp sensor,(which BTW I now know where
> > it is).
> >
> > If anyone can tell me what this sensor is for, I would appreciate
> > it. If
> > it is something I could do without, I will just plug the hole with a
> > bolt.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Johann G.
> > Iceland.
> > www.fisflug.tk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:30:24 PM PST US
> From: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
>
> Hello Gary.
> Yes, you are probably guessing correctly. This is the place to put it.
Until
> anyone suggests something else, we will assume this is the oil pressure
> sensitive on/off.
> Thank you very much for your advise.
>
> Best regards,
> Johann G.
> Iceland.
> Do not archive.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Hello Jon,
> >
> > Probably is an oil pressure sensitive on/off switch for the hour meter
> > (Hobbs), I have one installed in my engine. prevents the hour meter
> > to run when the master in on, until the engine is running and oil
> > pressure starts the hour meter. I installed with a Y paralel with the
> > oil prsssure sender.
> >
> > Saludos
> > Gary Gower.
> > Guadalajara, Mexico.
> > --- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> > >
> > > Hello list members.
> > >
> > > I looked at the link I received from John W, and the sensor I am
> > > referring
> > > to is located next to the oil pressure sensor, and it is plugged
> > > with a
> > > bolt # 36 in the manual drawing. The sensor I have, has two contacts
> > > and a
> > > little larger than the oil temp sensor,(which BTW I now know where
> > > it is).
> > >
> > > If anyone can tell me what this sensor is for, I would appreciate
> > > it. If
> > > it is something I could do without, I will just plug the hole with a
> > > bolt.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Johann G.
> > > Iceland.
> > > www.fisflug.tk
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:20:26 PM PST US
> From: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
>
> Johann,
>
> Is easy to test: get the sensor off the engine, with your air
> compressor presure regulated to about 20 lbs/Sqr inch (sp?) aply air
> presure while you have an ohm meter or test lamp in the poles, they
> should light when pressure is applied, If I remember correct will
> conect at about 8 lbs... so 20 is a good number, oil pressure max is
> about 60...
>
> Saludos
> Gary Gower.
> --- "Johann G." <johann@gi.is> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Johann G." <johann@gi.is>
> >
> > Hello Gary.
> > Yes, you are probably guessing correctly. This is the place to put
> > it. Until
> > anyone suggests something else, we will assume this is the oil
> > pressure
> > sensitive on/off.
> > Thank you very much for your advise.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Johann G.
> > Iceland.
> > Do not archive.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary Gower" <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> > To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Zenith-List:
> >
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by: Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > Hello Jon,
> > >
> > > Probably is an oil pressure sensitive on/off switch for the hour
> > meter
> > > (Hobbs), I have one installed in my engine. prevents the hour
> > meter
> > > to run when the master in on, until the engine is running and oil
> > > pressure starts the hour meter. I installed with a Y paralel with
> > the
> > > oil prsssure sender.
> > >
> > > Saludos
> > > Gary Gower.
> > > Guadalajara, Mexico.
> > > --- owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> > > >
> > > > Hello list members.
> > > >
> > > > I looked at the link I received from John W, and the sensor I am
> > > > referring
> > > > to is located next to the oil pressure sensor, and it is plugged
> > > > with a
> > > > bolt # 36 in the manual drawing. The sensor I have, has two
> > contacts
> > > > and a
> > > > little larger than the oil temp sensor,(which BTW I now know
> > where
> > > > it is).
> > > >
> > > > If anyone can tell me what this sensor is for, I would
> > appreciate
> > > > it. If
> > > > it is something I could do without, I will just plug the hole
> > with a
> > > > bolt.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Johann G.
> > > > Iceland.
> > > > www.fisflug.tk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 02:40:43 PM PST US
> From: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: UHS Spinners
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Phil Raker <phadr1@yahoo.com>
>
> Hello, List,
> I believe it was one of the Canadian Mikes who always used to sign of
from
> his Zenith-List postings with "UHS Spinners". If he is still monitoring
this
> list, would he please contact me off-list (phadr1@yahoo.com). Thank you.
> Phil Raker N556P HDS/Stratus ~85% completed (mounting
prop)
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> __________________________________
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:08:34 PM PST US
> From: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Rotax proposed AD
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Alberti" <daberti@execpc.com>
>
> All this may be a bag of wind. Rotax started fishing for solution to air
in
> the oil galleys about a year ago. What was finally found (and presented
at
> Oshkosh) is that the oil companies changed the formulation of the
> recommended oils, and the inverse crankcase pressure system, used to retur
n
> the oil to the tank, would foam the oil to the point that a lot of air was
> pulled into the normally pressurized side of the system. The excessive
> amount of air allows the lifters to collapse, and then you get bent
pushrods
> and a general lack of lubrication. Rotax released new specifics as to oil
> brands and their usage with autogas and avgas. They recommend only
draining
> the oil tank at oil change and not worry about the small amount left in
the
> oil cooler and related oil lines.
>
> *****I'm hoping that those that are flying behind a 912/914 Rotax engine
(or
> are
> planning to) have heard about this already, but just in case (and since I
> don't remember this coming up on this list before), you might want to look
> at the revised AD they're planning to issue. This is particularly
important
> if you bought your engine (and have it sitting in a crate) prior to
> 2002-21-16 being complied with. Anyway, take a look at:
>
> http://www.regulations.gov/fredpdfs/04-18440.pdf
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:11:31 PM PST US
> From: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 POH
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Morelli" <billvt@together.net>
>
> During your test flying, you are supposed to generate all of the POH
numbers based
> on your testing. Your numbers may or may not agree with what the factory
says
> you should get. All of the numbers in my POH were generated by me during
my
> 40 hour test period.
>
> Bill
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 05:38:39 PM PST US
> From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Bellows for nose steering control rods
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
<mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> Thanks to all that replied on and off list.
>
> Mark
>
> Do not archive.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> Stauffer
> Subject: Zenith-List: Bellows for nose steering control rods
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
> <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> I've found the Yamaha part numbers in the archives for the bellows that
some
> of the 801 guys are using. Have any 601 builders tried these? Is there
> enough room left to right?
>
> For the 801 guys, what are you doing on the engine side? What does the
> finished product look like?
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> Mark Stauffer
> 601XL Tail finished, waiting on fuel tanks to finish wings,
> rear fuselage finished, working on firewall
> Odenton, MD
>
> Do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lawrence Webber" <lawrencewebber@hotmail.com>
KEEP IT THE SAME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LarryFrom: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com Reply-To: zenith-list@matronics.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation
of Model-Specific Zenith Lists...? Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:19:00 -0700 -- Zenith-List
message posted by: Matt Dralle dralle@matronics.com [Reminder repost...
-Matt] Dear Zenith Listers, I have received a couple of requests recently
asking if I would create some model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically,
a 601, 701, and 801 List have been requested. I personally think that
splitting the List will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer
the single list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what
keeps the list alive and healthy. That being said, as the List administrator,
I want to provide the kind of service that the members want, so I'm open to
discussion on
the topic. Rather than chew up a whole lot of bandwidth on the Zenith-List on
the subject, I have created a simple survey form that will allow all the members
to vote on what they personally would like to see. Basically, there are three
options: 1) Keep it the same. One List (Zenith-List) that services all models.
2) Add three new model-specific lists for the 601, 701, and 801. 3)
Add two new model-specific lists; one for the 601, and one for the 701/801.
In all three cases, the current Zenith-List will remain as is. I will run the
survey for 7 days ending on Sunday September 26th at 12 Noon PDT. At that time
I will tally the votes and post a summary to the Zenith-List. Below is the
URL to the survey form. Upon completion of the survey, you will receive an email
confirming your vote. Please fill out all information on the form. Forms without
Name and Email won't be counted, and dupl
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| Subject: | Re: Face/Purolator pump acquisition? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeffrey Davidson" <jeffrey.davidson@earthlink.net>
Try this URL: http://www.facet-purolator.com/default1.html then click on
the Distributors and Retail Outlets link.
Jeff Davidson
>
> I'm needing another Facet pump for my plane and I was wondering if
> anyone knows where I can get one in Canada? I'm in Ontario.
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Lists...?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Timothy Coalwell <tcoalwell@mpfc.info> Lists...?
801 only
do not archieve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Subject: Zenith-List: [PLEASE READ] - Creation of Model-Specific Zenith
Lists...?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
[Reminder repost... -Matt]
Dear Zenith Listers,
I have received a couple of requests recently asking if I would create
some
model-specific lists for the Zenith-List. Specifically, a 601, 701, and
801 List have been requested. I personally think that splitting the
List
will generally reduce the over all content and I prefer the single
list. Discussions breed other discussions, and so on and that's what
keeps
the list alive and healthy.
That being said, as the List administrator, I want to provide the kind
of
service that the members want, so I'm open to discussion on the
topic. Rather than chew up a whole lot of bandwidth on the Zenith-List
on
the subject, I have created a simple survey form that will allow all the
members to vote on what they personally would like to see.
Basically, there are three options:
1) Keep it the same. One List (Zenith-List) that services all
models.
2) Add three new model-specific lists for the 601, 701, and
801.
3) Add two new model-specific lists; one for the 601, and one
for
the 701/801.
In all three cases, the current Zenith-List will remain as is. I will
run
the survey for 7 days ending on Sunday September 26th at 12 Noon PDT.
At
that time I will tally the votes and post a summary to the Zenith-List.
Below is the URL to the survey form. Upon completion of the survey, you
will receive an email confirming your vote. Please fill out all
information on the form. Forms without Name and Email won't be counted,
and duplicate submissions will be deleted.
http://www.matronics.com/zenith-list/survey.html
Thanks for taking the time to fill out the survey. The more people that
fill it out, the more accurately the results will reflect what the
Zenith
Listers would like.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Zenith List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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