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1. 04:51 AM - Re: Anyone know the story behind this crash? (The Keeners)
2. 05:50 AM - Parts (Larry)
3. 05:51 AM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (Steve Hulland)
4. 05:51 AM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (David Barth)
5. 06:20 AM - Re: Question about zinc chromate... (Robert Schoenberger)
6. 06:39 AM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (Steve Hulland)
7. 06:59 AM - X-Plane 601XL (heatonhe@aol.com)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (Paul Mulwitz)
9. 07:21 AM - Question about zinc chromate (fred sanford)
10. 08:23 AM - Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? (ROBERT SCEPPA)
11. 08:29 AM - Spray Can nozzles (Dan Wilde)
12. 10:10 AM - Material for instrument panal top (MElrod3732@aol.com)
13. 12:59 PM - Re: 701 Folding Wings Kit ()
14. 01:48 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles19 Msgs - 08/29/05 (roy vickski)
15. 01:59 PM - Re: Material for instrument panel top (Bryan Martin)
16. 03:24 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles19 Msgs - 08/29/05 (William J. Naumuk)
17. 04:46 PM - Re: Spray can nozzles (Jack Russell)
18. 05:42 PM - Zinc Chromate (Gary A. Boothe)
19. 05:58 PM - Turning wings over on the bench (Don Mountain)
20. 06:46 PM - Re: X-Plane 601XL (Bob Miller)
21. 07:08 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 07:33 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench and other handling methods (Robert Schoenberger)
23. 07:38 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (David Alberti)
24. 08:37 PM - Re: Turning wings over on the bench (Zodie Rocket)
25. 11:18 PM - PARTS LIST (BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz)
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| Subject: | RE: Anyone know the story behind this crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Keeners" <kim.forest@surewest.net>
No offense to the man who keeps our list going, but what does it have to do with
building a Zodiac?
It does look like a model considering the proximity to the runway and size of the
"smoking hole".
For more information, go to the list serve on models....
http://www.rcmmagazine.com/e/env/0001M30wy5uDH0EsZg9M572/index.html?link/index.html
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Larry" <lrm01@centurytel.net>
Finally sold my Subaru 2.5. I have the direct drive and the P51 style belly pod
for sale. Both are on e-bay, #4572243629 and 4572244839. If anyone is interested
off E-Bay, e-mail me.
I will be out of town until next Monday, going to the Kruise Auction in Auburn,
IN. I like cars too.
Larry Martin, N1345L www.angelfire.com/un/ch701
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
This was a real airplane. I beleive it was a classic mis-loading of the
cargo with resultant stall - exactly what happened to the U.S.Airways plane
in Charlotte a couple of years ago. I will dig around and see if I can get
the whole story from someone - although it was a fairly long time ago.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Steve Hulland
On 8/29/05, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
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> --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost
> looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather
> unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the
> elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild.
>
> http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
>
> Any information on this video would be intersting.
>
> Matt
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
check out
http://www.asasi.org/papers/2001/Four%20Unrelated%20Accidents.pdf
--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> Hi Listers,
>
> Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and
> the crash? Almost
> looks like an RC model especially given the
> cameraman's rather
> unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of
> looks like the
> elevator may have been hooked up backwards following
> a rebuild.
>
>
> http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
>
> Any information on this video would be intersting.
>
> Matt
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 |
> Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX |
> dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring
> Products For Aircraft
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Working on Wings
www.ch601.org
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| Subject: | Re: Question about zinc chromate... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Ron . . search the archives. I remember someone saying this clogs much more
readily than the chromate. Robert Schoenberger 701 do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Question about zinc chromate...
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
>
> I noticed that some providers recommend zinc oxide rather than chromate
> and
> claim that it works just as well without the cancer potential of
> chromates.
> Any chemists or folks who have experience with the oxide? Any downside to
> the oxide that you know from experience?
>
> Ron Culver
> Ch 701 about 3% (scratch builder ) still cutting aluminum sheets..8
> )
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
Very interesting presentation. Somehow I am not surprised abouit what caused
this crash, nor am I supprised about what may have prevented it. During my
45+ years involvement with aviation I have read about and been involved with
a number of incidents, accidents and crashes - almost all have a common
thread. We humans do not always follow the safety rules and procedures that
we develop. Fly safely
Steve Hulland
On 8/30/05, Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Steve Hulland <marinegunner@gmail.com>
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> This was a real airplane. I beleive it was a classic mis-loading of the
> cargo with resultant stall - exactly what happened to the U.S.Airwaysplane
> in Charlotte a couple of years ago. I will dig around and see if I can get
> the whole story from someone - although it was a fairly long time ago.
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Steve Hulland
>
> On 8/29/05, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> >
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> >
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and the crash? Almost
> > looks like an RC model especially given the cameraman's rather
> > unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of looks like the
> > elevator may have been hooked up backwards following a rebuild.
> >
> > http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
> >
> > Any information on this video would be intersting.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: heatonhe@aol.com
Josh,
The files are in the Zenith-List Specific Photo and File Share.
then, http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html
and click on: X-Plane version 7 of the 601XL
You can go into Plane Maker and modify anything you want. I set up this model for
my EA-81 Turbo. You can change the HP, prop, gear ratio or anything to match
your application. The airfoil is not correct since I didn't have the information
necessary to make the GA 35-A-415 airfoil that the 601XL uses. I picked
the 2412 as being fairly close.
Have fun,
Herb
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Hi Herb,
How can I get my hands on those files (Zodiac> 2.acf and Zodiac
2_paint.bmp)
Thanks,
Josh Lazar
1-514-233-3251
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
A very interesting story.
It may not be exactly appropriate for Zenith builders, but it seems a
good safety lesson for anyone flying experimental airplanes.
Thanks, Matt and David
Paul
XL barely started
do not archive
At 05:48 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
>
>check out
>http://www.asasi.org/papers/2001/Four%20Unrelated%20Accidents.pdf
>
>--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> > dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> >
> >
> > Hi Listers,
> >
> > Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft and
> > the crash? Almost
> > looks like an RC model especially given the
> > cameraman's rather
> > unemotional comment following the crash. Kind of
> > looks like the
> > elevator may have been hooked up backwards following
> > a rebuild.
> >
> >
> > http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
> >
> > Any information on this video would be intersting.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 |
> > Livermore | CA | 94551
> > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX |
> > dralle@matronics.com Email
> > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring
> > Products For Aircraft
> >
> >
> >
> > browse
> > Subscriptions page,
> > FAQ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>David Barth
>601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
>Working on Wings
>www.ch601.org
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Question about zinc chromate |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: fred sanford <sonar1@cox.net>
Roger:
We used zinc chromate from the can - available from West Marine for
$23/quart.
Goes on easy, you can thin it forever, no lumps like with the sprayed
stuff, and seems to hold on pretty well.
Do not archive
Fred Sanford 701- finished waiting for the DAR - N9701- Ca.
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone Know The Story Behind This Crash? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Very simple..Its a take off and departure stall!!
--- Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz
> <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
> A very interesting story.
>
> It may not be exactly appropriate for Zenith
> builders, but it seems a
> good safety lesson for anyone flying experimental
> airplanes.
>
> Thanks, Matt and David
>
> Paul
> XL barely started
> do not archive
>
> At 05:48 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth
> <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
> >
> >check out
>
>http://www.asasi.org/papers/2001/Four%20Unrelated%20Accidents.pdf
> >
> >--- Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
> >
> > > --> Zenith-List message posted by:
> > > dralle@matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Listers,
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the story behind this aircraft
> and
> > > the crash? Almost
> > > looks like an RC model especially given the
> > > cameraman's rather
> > > unemotional comment following the crash. Kind
> of
> > > looks like the
> > > elevator may have been hooked up backwards
> following
> > > a rebuild.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> http://media4.big-boys.com/content/oldplanecrash.wmv
> > >
> > > Any information on this video would be
> intersting.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 |
> > > Livermore | CA | 94551
> > > 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX |
> > > dralle@matronics.com Email
> > > http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring
> > > Products For Aircraft
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > browse
> > > Subscriptions page,
> > > FAQ,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >David Barth
> >601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
> >Working on Wings
> >www.ch601.org
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Paul Mulwitz
> 32013 NE Dial Road
> Camas, WA 98607
> ---------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
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| Subject: | Spray Can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dan Wilde" <eagle51@ix.netcom.com>
I am using zinc oxide and also have had some plugging of the spray nozzles.
Soaking the nozzle in MEK works some of the times but the other problem is
plugging at the can itself. Pouring a little MEK (or other solvent of your
choice) into the top after removing the nozzle has almost always cured the
problem for me. I threw away a couple of spray cans before I learned this
trick.
I found that SKYGEEKS.com is very reasonable in price for this stuff.
Dan Wilde
701 - now putting wing skins on
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| Subject: | Material for instrument panal top |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
Hello fellow builders: I am getting close to installing the front windshield
on my 701, and was wondering what is the best material to cover the
horizontal metal area that covers the top of the instrument panal. Obviously,
it
needs to hold up to the sun and be non-glare.
I am seeking recommendations on material others have used successfully.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Elrod 701; 90% complete-slats and flaperons to go
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Folding Wings Kit |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: <PAULROD36@msn.com>
I too would love to have folding wings. The best designed are on a WWII Navy fighter,
I think the Hellcat, where they rotated (leading edge down) about 90 degrees,
and then folded back along the fuselage, with the wingtips over the horizontal
stabilizer. I've figured out the overlapping skins, and the rear spar,
but little things like the fuel lines, control cables, and the rotating-bending
main spar joint are a bit more challenging. Anybody out there got an idea?
Paul Rodriguez
601XL/Corvair (with non-folding wings)
----- Original Message -----
From: Tebenkof@aol.com<mailto:Tebenkof@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 Folding Wings Kit
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Tebenkof@aol.com<mailto:Tebenkof@aol.com>
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Just one more comment on the folding wings, for what it is worth. When I
asked about them 2 1/2 years ago at the rudder workshop I was actively
discouraged from considering them. I forget whether it was Nick or Sebastion,
but
someone told me not to bother, that it is as easy to remove the wings without
the kit.
Jim
701/Portland
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| Subject: | Spray can nozzles19 Msgs - 08/29/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: roy vickski <rvickski@yahoo.com>
I have been using the Tempo spray bomb and the only
way I can keep them from clogging is to invert the can
and spray until clear and then store the can upside
down
Roy 701 plans
__________________________________
http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail
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| Subject: | Re: Material for instrument panel top |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
I used flat black paint on my Zodiac.
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: MElrod3732@aol.com
>
> Hello fellow builders: I am getting close to installing the front windshield
> on my 701, and was wondering what is the best material to cover the
> horizontal metal area that covers the top of the instrument panal.
> Obviously, it
> needs to hold up to the sun and be non-glare.
> I am seeking recommendations on material others have used successfully.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mike Elrod 701; 90% complete-slats and flaperons to go
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| Subject: | Re: Spray can nozzles19 Msgs - 08/29/05 |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "William J. Naumuk" <billn@velocity.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "roy vickski" <rvickski@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Spray can nozzles19 Msgs - 08/29/05
All-
I've had no problems with the Zinc Oxide nozzles clogging. Considering I
get 3-4 batches of parts days apart from the same can, I don't see a
problem. I invert and spray until clear after using, then just stick the can
under my workbench.
Maybe you aren't shaking enough. I get the ball moving and count 100
clicks before spraying.
The only difference I notice is that instead of the rough, opaque finish
you get from Chromate, the Oxide is relatively smooth and translucent,
unless you really load it on.
Bill
601HDS
Rudder+elevator done, plumbing+wiring outboard wings, getting my nerve up
for aileron trim installation.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spray can nozzles |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jack Russell <clojan@sbcglobal.net>
I consider myself a expert at tempo zinc oxide spray cans since I have sprayed
through about 24 of them. I had a lot of problem with the nozzle until I discovered
that once it plugs in the midddle of your spray you can remove the nozzle
and very very very gently place it back on the can it will spray just fine again
(you may have to remove and replace several times but it will work). I ended
up doing this to every can for about the first quarter and then the last of
the contents would spray fine. I never turned the can upside down. As long
as the can was spraying strong when I stopped it would go again the next day.
Jack inbetween clovis and Los Osos CA.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary A. Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
I bought two cases from Sacramento Sky Ranch. Don't have the receipt with me, but
I paid about $7.50/can. No problems
Gary Boothe, Cool, Ca
<gboothe@calply.com>
601HDSTD, WW Corvair Conv. - complete
Tail Group - complete. Awaiting wing kit...
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| Subject: | Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
can help me.
Don
601 XL
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| Subject: | Re: X-Plane 601XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bob Miller <tutuzulu@gmail.com>
Herb,
Many thanks for making a 601 X-Plane. It's a terrific program, but
it took a massive amount of work on your part to build a 601 for us.
When I clicked on the file, I got a screen full of numbers and
letters. Should I do a "Save Page As" to the X-Plane file, or is
there another intermediate step?
Bob
PS I'm gonna leave your message on this one, and let it archive.
When people discover what a valuable contribution you've made, they'll
want to know how to access it.
On 8/30/05, heatonhe@aol.com <heatonhe@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: heatonhe@aol.com
>
> Josh,
>
> The files are in the Zenith-List Specific Photo and File Share.
> then, http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html
> and click on: X-Plane version 7 of the 601XL
>
> You can go into Plane Maker and modify anything you want. I set up this model
for my EA-81 Turbo. You can change the HP, prop, gear ratio or anything to match
your application. The airfoil is not correct since I didn't have the information
necessary to make the GA 35-A-415 airfoil that the 601XL uses. I picked
the 2412 as being fairly close.
>
> Have fun,
> Herb
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Hi Herb,
> How can I get my hands on those files (Zodiac> 2.acf and Zodiac
> 2_paint.bmp)
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Josh Lazar
> 1-514-233-3251
> Montreal, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Bob Miller
601HD N722Z
Charlottesville, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
I recommend you do not lay the wing down on Clecos. Where there is a
Cleco holding up weight it will bend the skin and leave a mark that
is very difficult to fix.
Paul
XL barely started
do not archive
At 05:54 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
>I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
>bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
>wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
>on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
>fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
>help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
>pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
>turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
>blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
>skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
>southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
>can help me.
>
>Don
>601 XL
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Turning wings over on the bench and other handling methods |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
Don . . . as construction continues, one gets more ingenious about handling
large parts.
For the wings (701), I took a large poly tube slightly smaller than the
lightening holes in the nose ribs. If your space is limited use two tubes
with a joint in the middle with a total length about 4' longer than the
length of the wing. Just make sure the dia. is such that the tube doesn't
get stuck. My tube extended about 2' beyond each end of the wing. Up in the
ceiling, I installed some heavy screw eyes in the ceiling joists (I'm
working in the basement) in line with these end sections and about the
middle of the table. Tie a loop knot (bowline?) around each tube where it
extends beyond the ends of the wing and feed the rope up through the screw
eyes. You may also want to tie a safety line between the two ropes to
prevent them from slipping off the tubes. I think I also put about 5 or 6
clamp straps around the wing tightened slightly to keep the nose skin from
flapping around. With your wife guiding the training edge, you then pull
EVENLY on the two ropes, and when the wing is raised and hanging in a
vertical position high enough to clear the table (check this first before
even starting this operation), your wife then goes to the other side of the
table, grabs the trailing edge, and starts to pull it over in the reverse
position while you slowly lower the wing so it's now on the reverse side.
Do NOT set the wing down on the push end of the clecos. I got some 3" x 3"
steel table tubes from a metal supply house and laid them across the table
so the clecos would clear the surface of the table, similar to those used in
the ZAC workshop and as shown in the photo assembly guide for the 701. I
would never get steel again as they are too heavy - aluminum would be much
better. If you use this method, make sure you clear a "path" devoid of
clecos near the ribs for where the wing will rest on the table tubes near
the ribs. It looks scarey to have your valuable wing suspended in a
vertical position above the table. At this point, quietly say, "Please
Lord, whatever you do, don't let the ropes break." He won't. Check your
alignment once it's turned over. I didn't have any problem in this regard.
The wing isn't heavy, only akward. I think this method is a lot safer than
having a not too strong person as a helper where the wing might get away
from him or her. I also put some cleats on the side of the workbench so I
could tie off the suspended wing should something go wrong in the middle of
everything and to lower the individual ropes about 4" at time.
I have also found that by rolling up the skin sheets and carefully reverse
unrolling them it is possible to handle the skins alone. This is useful in
deburring the reverse side, etc. I always wear saftey glasses in this
operation in case the skin get away and acts like a coiled spring. It's
helpful to put a spring clamp on the rolled up skin to hold the roll
together.
When working on the fuselage, if the longerons are on both sides of a rear
skin, it is easy to slide the skin off the table and hold it in a vertical
position. Be careful of the splice. If the longeron is only on one side,
then take a 1" x 3" x fuselage length board and cleco it (in many places) to
opposite edge without a longeron to achieve the same effect. Your wife can
get on one end and you on the other to turn the skin around and/or over.
Hope this helps. Robert Schoenberger 701 56%
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Mountain" <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Turning wings over on the bench
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain <mountain4don@yahoo.com>
>
> I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
> bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
> wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
> on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
> fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
> help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
> pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
> turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
> blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
> skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
> southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
> can help me.
>
> Don
> 601 XL
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "David Alberti" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Do not set it down on the clecos! You will get little dents in the skin that
will be hard to remove. Some may look like little smiles but you will not be
smiling. You can support the wing in between the clecos using moving mats
(blankets) and 2 x 4's to keep the clecos from touching the workbench.
Dave
.....turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
can help me.
Don
601 XL
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| Subject: | Turning wings over on the bench |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
I'm a self proclaimed hermit in a town of 300 people, one day my wife
was not around to give me a hand so I knocked on the neighbors door, I
have lived here for 17yrs and this is the first time I met him! All I
asked was I needed a quick hand in flipping over a bulky item. He was
over in a shot. Make sure anyone who is not a builder gets the Spar root
section; this will limit the chance of damage.
SO my advice is to go and knock on a door it is a great way to introduce
yourself to your neighbors, they will either think you're really
intelligent (building your own plane!) or a complete whack job that the
squirrels won't even touch (building your own plane!)
cdngoose
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Don Mountain
<mountain4don@yahoo.com>
I just finished riveting up the bottom skin and the
bottom side of the leading edge skin on one of my
wings on a 601XL. I have the top side skin clecoed
on, and the wings leveled up on blocks of wood that I
fabricated to the correct angles. I asked my wife to
help me turn the wing over, and she is too small to
pick up the wing and turn it over. How have you guys
turned your wings over? Have you removed the leveling
blocks and set it down on the clecoes holding the top
skin on without damaging the skin? I just moved to
southwest Iowa and don't have anybody around here that
can help me.
Don
601 XL
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8/29/2005
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8/29/2005
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Date: ...1 Aug 2005 08:13:58 +0200 (\214rodkowoeuropejs...
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "BIANCO Tadeusz Forgacz" <info@bianco.pl>
does anyone of You scrapbuilders have list of 601HD parts, for ex. in Excel?
I need detailed list of parts, not like that one at 601.org.
Thanks
Tadeusz Forgacz
info@bianco.pl
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