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1. 12:13 AM - Re: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair NEWS! (Dirk Slabbert)
2. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair NEWS! (Jean-Paul Roy)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: Landing/Taxi Lights & wee bits (steveadams)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Re: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition toggle (Jim Hoak)
5. 06:13 AM - HDS Wing Locker problem (Peter Barthold)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (jim)
7. 06:54 AM - MASPL Happenings (jim)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Paint (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 07:21 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Peter Chapman)
11. 08:17 AM - Wing lockers revisited (Monty Graves)
12. 08:19 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (N5SL)
13. 08:23 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Bill Bartlett)
14. 08:39 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Jim Hoak)
15. 08:46 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (jim)
16. 09:16 AM - Zenith History (Dave)
17. 09:21 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Leo Gates)
18. 09:48 AM - Pneumatic Blind Riveter Questions (Dino Bortolin)
19. 10:14 AM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (LarryMcFarland)
20. 10:32 AM - Paint (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
21. 10:33 AM - Re: Zenith History (Paul Mulwitz)
22. 10:53 AM - Re: Zenith History (LarryMcFarland)
23. 10:54 AM - Re: Zenith History (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
24. 11:24 AM - Re: Zenith History (KOBO)
25. 12:41 PM - Re: Paint (Paul Mulwitz)
26. 12:58 PM - Re: Zenith History (Dave)
27. 01:16 PM - Re: Paint (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
28. 03:17 PM - Re: Paint (LarryMcFarland)
29. 03:17 PM - Re: Paint (Trevor Page)
30. 03:22 PM - Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder appreciated (Ron Culver)
31. 04:39 PM - Re: Zenith History (Zodie Rocket)
32. 04:39 PM - (Rick Lach)
33. 04:40 PM - Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Dave Austin)
34. 05:15 PM - Re: Zenith History (Dave)
35. 05:48 PM - Re: Zenith History (Zodie Rocket)
36. 07:45 PM - Re: Paint (Matt & Jo)
37. 07:56 PM - Re: Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder appreciated (ROBERT SCEPPA)
38. 08:44 PM - Re: [aviation] Re: HDS Wing Locker problem (Bruce Bockius)
39. 08:52 PM - Re: Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder appreciated (Ron Culver)
40. 10:52 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition toggle (Thilo Kind)
41. 10:52 PM - Re: (Thilo Kind)
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| Subject: | Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair NEWS! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dirk Slabbert" <dirkslabbert@telkomsa.net>
Way to go Chris! this is what its all about!
I've done a dual stick mod on mine, if you're interested.....
Dirk
Piketberg SA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:34 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair
NEWS!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Chris Lewis"
> <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
>
> That's great news. I'm heading to Cloverdale, CA this weekend for the
> Quality Sportsplanes Fly-in where I hope to see more. Florida is on my
> list.
>
> My 701 will not be standard. I've hesitated to post this due to responses
> like you received earlier, but I'm actually building a 701 at 110% of
> stock dimensions and using a 601 firewall, just so I can use the Corvair
> powerplant and go for 1320# gross.
>
> Now, before I get flamed, I spent two months reviewing the standard 701SP
> plans and reviewed every on-line 801 drawing I could get at Zenith's site.
> Only then did I calculate structural and material changes required to get
> a little more interior room, the higher GVW and the ability to use that
> lovely Corvair powerplant.
>
> I submitted 2 pages of proposed modifications to Chris Heintz for review
> and other than a suggestion for a .032" HT spar material thickness, my
> plans were approved. Mathieu tells me that my proposed mod's are very
> similar to the working calcs for the briefly mentioned CH750. And sorry,
> no, I won't share my changes with the open community as I don't want to be
> on the hook for anyone else's skin but my own...
>
> I'm glad to hear that William is giving it a go with the 701. His
> relationship with Zenith and the Heintz family can only bring good things
> for all who are appreciative of the harmonious ZenVair.
>
> Those who don't care for this combo are welcome to continue flaming away.
> We consider the source of all of the prattle that can fill these boards.
> To each, his or her own, and may everyone enjoy this amazing hobby.
>
> Thanks again to everyone in this community who have so freely shared
> USEFUL information with those of us who have chosen to LEARN, BUILD & FLY.
>
> Chris in Seattle
>
> --------
> 701 Scratch Builder
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32366#32366
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair NEWS! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" <jean-paul.roy4@tlb.sympatico.ca>
Hi Scott. How much HP does that engine makes and what is the weight of it?
I was planning to put a 100 hp Rotax on mine for floats operations but this
sound interesting.
Jean-Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "N5SL" <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition - now- 701/Corvair
NEWS!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
>
> Thank you Chris:
>
> I talked to William recently and he told me something
> that is noteworthy to you and other 701 builders (if
> you don't already know). William is driving this
> weekend to the ZAC Mexico, MO facility to pick up an
> entire 701 kit in a box and has plans for a
> world-record-speed-build of a CH701 with a Corvair
> engine. Since you are doing the same (but maybe not
> at world-speed-record pace) I suggest you find the
> time to fly to Florida to visit William's hangar
> during the later stages of this build. At the very
> least, you will have William's web updates with
> pictures of the Corvair installation in a 701.
>
> I have been following his 601XL/Corvair build and
> flight testing for a few years now and it has been a
> tremendous help with my project. You should reap some
> big rewards from his efforts. I suspect they will
> have the thing up and flying in a matter of months.
> The airplane will be owned by Merrill Isaacson who
> works at William's hangar. I can't wait to see what
> they come up with and how fast they accomplish this.
> The Heintz family has been working with William over
> the last few years to perfect the 601XL installation
> and I expect no less with the 701/Corvair
> installation.
>
> Good luck with your build,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> 601XL/Corvair
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
>
> --- Chris Lewis <christopherlewis@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Scott - I'm with you. Thanks for your efforts to
> > document your build and share what you've learned
> > with others. I'm just starting my Corvair teardown
> > and your photos give me hope that my pile of parts
> > will someday look bright and shiny new again. :D
> >
> > Chris in Seattle
> > --------
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| Subject: | Re: Landing/Taxi Lights & wee bits |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "steveadams" <dr_steve_adams@yahoo.com>
I agree with Don. Even with the outboard location on my 640, there is still some
light reflected onto the prop when using the taxi light in the air. While it
doesn't significantly decrease visibility, it is distracting on a dark night.
The CG difference and weight savings of moving it in a bay or 2 would be negligible
I think. By aiming the light carefully, you can get very good illumination
of the runway while landing with the outboard location.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32496#32496
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition toggle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Dave and all,
I've operated a Rotax 912UL (80HP) for over 500hrs. I recently experienced
the situation described. The engine would not shut down. After trouble
shooting (swapping switches and grounding circuits) I decided the problem
was an "OPEN" of the grounding circuit inside one of the very expensive
Ignition Modules.
The fine folks at Lockwood advised that there was a way of fixing this
without replacing the ignition module. The remedy was to run one more wire
into the cockpit and just break into the "Charging Coil" (Red) wire going to
the defective Ignition Module. Just had to reverse the switch so that "UP"
now "closed" the circuit instead of "breaking" it. Works great. Saved many
hundreds of dollars.
Jim Hoak 601HD 509Hrs. Rotax 912UL 80HP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:04 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Zenith-List: RE: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual
Ignition toggle
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
>
> The bore on my Rotax is 84mm (3.3"). I'm not sure what size the corvair
> has
> but I'll bet it's larger. The Rotax has a dual plug system with dual
> ignitions that are checked just like the Lycomings and other similar
> aircraft engines. I get a rpm drop when switching one off just like they
> do. And just like the others my ignition switch grounds out the ignition
> circuit so a switch failure is more apt to keep the engine running than
> kill
> it...but that's for Murphy to figure out. One check I do is when shutting
> down the engine I let turn off one set 5 seconds before the other. Shut
> down is smoother and I get a "Mag" check on shutdown too.
>
> Dave 601-HD 912ULS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brandon
> The piston area of the lycos is so large that
> running both spark plugs will produce a much more
> complete fuel burn, as proven by the RPM drop on mag
> checks. The same results would likely not be realized
> in the corvair with such a small diameter piston, even
> with two spark plugs, so running both ignitions does
> not help there.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Hello listers,
working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking
at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing
will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination
the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without
zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all
or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured.
Am I overcautious?
Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful.
Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a
clue.
The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page
and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However,
I can`t see any details.
So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple [Wink]
Greetings from Germany
Peter Barthold
HDS TD VW conv.
Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding flimsiness on our SLSA 601XL
from CZAW . However, we did have a problem, partially solved, with water infiltration.
We added sealing strips from Home Depot to the 4 sides of each door.
Not yet waterproof, but much better.
Any ideas for a better solution to water infiltration into the wing lockers?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
Jim@Pellien.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>
>Hello listers,
>
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking
at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing
will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination
the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without
zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all
or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured.
>Am I overcautious?
>Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
>I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful.
Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a
clue.
>The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page
and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However,
I can`t see any details.
>
>So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple [Wink]
>
>
>Greetings from Germany
>
>Peter Barthold
>
>HDS TD VW conv.
>Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
>www.petersprojekt42.de
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | MASPL Happenings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
All,
The partnership database on our Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes website now has almost
90 people signed up and looking for partners around the country for the purchase
of a SLSA. You can view this database at:
http://www.maspl.com/Partnerships.asp
MASPL now has all 33 FAA approved SLSA's in a super Performance Comparison Chart,
where you can see side-by-side the useful loads of all SLSA's, their cruise
speeds, range and stall speed as well as the width of the cockpit. This is a
great place to begin shopping for the SLSA of your dreams. Go to:
http://www.maspl.com/SLSAComparison.htm
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
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| Subject: | HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hello Peter,
One day I saw my wife heaving down on the camps stove and cookware, not
realising what she was pushing against....After we removed some stuff
there was no damage whatsover and we have done a lot of camping with
this airplane in the last 400 hours.
I do not have any carpet or any extra protection
Frank
HDS 395 hours
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter
Barthold
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:09 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: HDS Wing Locker problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold"
--> <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Hello listers,
working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I
fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into
that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these
lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through
some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make
nasty dents when not properly secured.
Am I overcautious?
Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was
not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance
did not give a clue.
The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry
McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor
in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.
So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple
[Wink]
Greetings from Germany
Peter Barthold
HDS TD VW conv.
Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
www.petersprojekt42.de
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
What are you using for breathing protection Brandon?
I am assembling parts to make a closed breathing air sysytem as I
understand this is mandatory for urethane paints due to the cyanide.
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon
Tucker
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: RE: Paint
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Brandon Tucker <btucke73@yahoo.com>
Lynn,
I am using PPG one coat urethane. I just painted one wing, and
will start on the other wing when I return from All Red Star on Sunday.
I am not a very good painter, but results can be deceiving with this
product. It goes on like silk, and is almost as tough as powder coat.
I'll never shoot acrylic enamel again. As soon as I get the other wing
painted, I will update my website with fresh pics. I am doing it very
differently from most guys and painting as I build. For me, it is much
easier, and breaks up the painting task. I painted the underside of the
center wing and aft fuselage before joining them together (pic on
website), and painted the tail, side fuse, top fuse, cowling, and wings
all separately. It could be prettier, but then it could be a whole lot
more expensive too. I just don't let anyone within 5 feet of the plane
so they can't see the paint defects!
Nothing wet sanding and buffing can't fix, but I'll save that for after
it is flying...
I'll get anyone the part numbers of the paint if you are having
problems finding it, but PPG one coat urethane should suffice. It is
quite expensive, but worth it. I think I am down $800 for paint, but I
can't remember, and really don't want to know.
R/
Brandon
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
At 09:09 03-05-06, you wrote:
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
>Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear
>that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that
>locker. In my imagination the only baggage
>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
I tried lining at least the bottom of the wing lockers with Plasticor --
The internally corrugated plastic sheets that can be found at art supply
stores or sign companies. (Or on any lawn after a election, at least here
in Canada or the USA!)
I don't know if it is the ideal solution, but it is very light, has some
thickness to absorb shock, and won't rot when water seeps in while the
aircraft is stored outside. Seems to work.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, Canada 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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| Subject: | Wing lockers revisited |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com>
Since its been brought up again.
I changed computers and somehow lost all my saved links for web pages
showing wing lockers.
If those folks with web pages showing wing lockers, would be so kind as
to post their link or email the link direct I would REALLY appreciate it.
I am going to finish these 701 wings this spring or bust...... :-)
Monty Graves
mgraves(AT)usmo.com
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Your 601XL wings have .025" skins top and bottom
unless CZAW didn't follow the plans. Not a proper
comparison.
Scott Laughlin
www.cooknwithgas.com
--- jim <jim@pellien.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim"
> <jim@pellien.com>
>
> We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding
> flimsiness on our SLSA 601XL from CZAW .
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| Subject: | HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
I use plastic containers with lids from the Container Store of the
proper size to fit my wing lockers. That way I don't have to worry about
moisture or things sliding through the wing rib lightening holes. Also,
I can remove the empty containers, easily pack, and replace.
Bill Bartlett
601 XL, N140BB, and 7.8 hours on Jabiru engine
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Wing Locker problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding flimsiness on our
SLSA 601XL from CZAW . However, we did have a problem, partially
solved, with water infiltration. We added sealing strips from Home
Depot to the 4 sides of each door. Not yet waterproof, but much better.
Any ideas for a better solution to water infiltration into the wing
lockers?
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
Jim@Pellien.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold"
>--> <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>
>Hello listers,
>
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
>Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I
fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into
that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these
lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through
some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make
nasty dents when not properly secured.
>Am I overcautious?
>Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
>I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was
not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance
did not give a clue.
>The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry
McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor
in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.
>
>So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple
>[Wink]
>
>
>Greetings from Germany
>
>Peter Barthold
>
>HDS TD VW conv.
>Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
>www.petersprojekt42.de
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Peter,
I have over 500 hrs on 601HD with wing lockers. Carry oil containers,
windshield cleaner etc. in there all the time. When I go to events I carry
stools etc. I have on occasion carried a soft side bag with stuff in it with
no problem. If you're really worried, put a thin sheet of high density foam
in there. That should probably work. Keep it simple and go fly!
Jim Hoak
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: HDS Wing Locker problem
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold"
> <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>
> Hello listers,
>
> working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
> Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear
> that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that
> locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these lockers are
> pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through some rough
> turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make nasty dents
> when not properly secured.
> Am I overcautious?
> Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
> Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
> I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was
> not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did
> not give a clue.
> The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry
> McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor
> in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.
>
> So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple
> [Wink]
>
>
> Greetings from Germany
>
> Peter Barthold
>
> HDS TD VW conv.
> Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
> www.petersprojekt42.de
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
>
>
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| Subject: | HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
Bill,
Thanks for the idea about using plastic containers. I wish I would have thought
of that one.
However there is still a problem. Prolonged wetness in the winglockers will encourage
corrosion. I'd still like it to be absolutely dry in there.
Jim
Jim Pellien
Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com
www.MASPL.com
703-313-4818
Jim@Pellien.com
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Bartlett" <bbartlett5@satx.rr.com>
>
>I use plastic containers with lids from the Container Store of the
>proper size to fit my wing lockers. That way I don't have to worry about
>moisture or things sliding through the wing rib lightening holes. Also,
>I can remove the empty containers, easily pack, and replace.
>
>Bill Bartlett
>601 XL, N140BB, and 7.8 hours on Jabiru engine
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jim
>Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:46 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: HDS Wing Locker problem
>
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jim" <jim@pellien.com>
>
>We have no problems with the wing lockers regarding flimsiness on our
>SLSA 601XL from CZAW . However, we did have a problem, partially
>solved, with water infiltration. We added sealing strips from Home
>Depot to the 4 sides of each door. Not yet waterproof, but much better.
>
>
>Any ideas for a better solution to water infiltration into the wing
>lockers?
>
>
>Jim
>
>Jim Pellien
>Mid-Atlantic Sports Planes
>The Mid-Atlantic Center of SportsPlanes.com
>
>www.MASPL.com
>703-313-4818
>Jim@Pellien.com
>
>
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 06:09:06 -0700
>
>>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold"
>>--> <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>>
>>Hello listers,
>>
>>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
>>Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I
>fear that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into
>that locker. In my imagination the only baggage possible in these
>lockers are pullovers and jackets without zippers. When flying through
>some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all or travel bag would make
>nasty dents when not properly secured.
>>Am I overcautious?
>>Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
>>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
>>I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was
>not successful. Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance
>did not give a clue.
>>The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry
>McFarlands page and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor
>in his lockers. However, I can`t see any details.
>>
>>So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple
>
>>[Wink]
>>
>>
>>
>>Greetings from Germany
>>
>>Peter Barthold
>>
>>HDS TD VW conv.
>>Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
>>www.petersprojekt42.de
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
>>
>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=32515#32515
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this
group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history,
but refuses to talk about or support it.
This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of
the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is
the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away
from all those 601's.
Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Leo Gates <leogates@allvantage.com>
I use Plasticor like Peter Chapman. It was suggested by Mike
Fothergill. Works great.
Leo Gates
N601Z, CH601HDS TDO
Peter Barthold wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>
>Hello listers,
>
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking
at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing
will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination
the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without
zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all
or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pneumatic Blind Riveter Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dino Bortolin <dbortol@yahoo.ca>
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
> Just got my new el-cheapo $24 Harbor Freight pneumatic riveter and wanted to
> ask a question or two about its operation since I've never really seen one in
> action.
<snip>
> b. Is the mandrel supposed to be deposited in the plastic cup at the rear of
> the tool? Mine are staying in the nosepiece until I remove them by hand. I was
> thinking that this may be a symptom of a mis-adjusted jaw as well.
I have the same riveter and I have seen the same thing as you with the stems getting
stuck in the nosepiece. I disassembled mine to see if I could figure out
the problem. The back portion of the nosepiece presses down on the jaws that
grip the rivet stem, and the more it is pressed, the wider it opens. If you look
at the original nosepieces, you'll see that the bigger the stem, the longer
the back part of the nosepiece is. There is a fine line between pressing the
jaws down too much and the rivet will fall out of the rivet gun, and not pressing
them enough and the stem won't fall out after you pull the rivet. I found
that loosening or tightening the nosepiece very slightly can get me to the right
point between these two. In your case, see if you can tighten the nosepiece
a bit more to let the stem fall out on its own.
Dino
XL/Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Peter,
I had the same worries even with the .025 thick skins. I did rivet a
pair of standard angles to each side of the luggage area
to the ribs. Then I bent channels of .025 approx 3-inches wide with
3/8ths flanges. The ends were trimmed to overhang the
the angle flange and leave a quarter inch of clearance beneath. I used
tinnerman j-nuts on the angle and screws to hold the channels
in place. This works well, but still needs a thin rubber mat glued each
corner or a carpet cut to fit bottom and sides with velcro.
I'm in the process of disassembling the plane and bringing parts home,
so insulation, and the like will be added after the paint process is
finished. I hope this helps. See links,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/luggageopenrear2.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/wing/baggagearea/full/luggageopenrear.gif
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
Peter Barthold wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Peter Barthold" <peter.barthold@t-online.de>
>
>Hello listers,
>
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon. Looking
at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear that my wing
will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that locker. In my imagination
the only baggage possible in these lockers are pullovers and jackets without
zippers. When flying through some rough turbulence, even a soft carry all
or travel bag would make nasty dents when not properly secured.
>Am I overcautious?
>Did any of the gents already flying ever experience something similar?
>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
>I tried to find answers online, especially here in the archives but was not successful.
Even the high detail builder pages of Michel or Lance did not give a
clue.
>The only thing I could come up with is a set of photos on Larry McFarlands page
and it looks like he has some kind of "metal tile" floor in his lockers. However,
I can`t see any details.
>
>So please, oh mighty Matronics oracle, enlighten your unworthy disciple [Wink]
>
>
>Greetings from Germany
>
>Peter Barthold
>
>HDS TD VW conv.
>Tailkit complete, wing kit in progress
>www.petersprojekt42.de
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Are you thinking of painting the airplane yourself larry?....I'm getting
close on the RV and am debating whether the learning process is a good
investment vs the screw up potential.
Frank
I'm in the process of disassembling the plane and bringing parts home,
so insulation, and the like will be added after the paint process is
finished.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith History |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Perhaps the most important part of the Zodiac/Zenith history is the
Heintz family structure and the way the different members of this
family get involved with the aircraft.
There are 5 different men involved in this business - all of them
members of the Heintz family. Chris is the one who actually designs
airplanes. He is now retired or nearly so. His only relationship to
the Zenith Aircraft Company in Mexico, MO (as far as I can tell) is
that he is the father of the two principals there - Sebastian Heintz
the president, and Nicholas Heintz the technical wizard and factory manager.
I think the two Heintz boys do a reasonably good job supporting ZAC
and its products - especially Nick. I don't know what their
involvement might have been in earlier models, but it is unreasonable
to expect them to do anything with the models unrelated to ZAC.
There are two other brothers of Sebastian and Nick involved in the
airplane business in the USA. Michael Heintz is working to set up
some sort of operation on the West coast, and there is another (whose
name I don't know) involved in AMD in Georgia.
Perhaps the doubt expressed by the original lister in this thread is
related to misunderstanding that there is a single Heintz and single
company that is responsible for all the Heintz designs. There is not.
Paul
XL wings
do not archive
>One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this
>group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history,
>but refuses to talk about or support it.
>
>This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
>evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of
>the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is
>the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away
>from all those 601's.
>
>Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith History |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Dave,
It's likely Zenith would support the paper and drawing when asked, but I
doubt that they
would continue to make parts for models that are two or more generations
out of production. It's
just not feasible for a small company to do this. If special tooling
were kept, they might be inclined
to do a set of ribs, but beyond that you'd be in a plans building mode
with the older Zenith aircraft.
I expect the 601HD and HDS models to be set aside when the XL is
replaced with the next great
thing.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Dave wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading this
>group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their history,
>but refuses to talk about or support it.
>
>This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
>evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of
>the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is
>the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking away
>from all those 601's.
>
>Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Basically it really does not matter whether they support old airplanes
or not. All of the parts are easily fabricated and if you have a
complete set of drawings then basically you don't need to care.
Frank
Do not archive
This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors
of the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of
this is the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just
walking away from all those 601's.
Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith History |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "KOBO" <kobo1@cyberbeach.net>
I certainly have no problem with Zenair Canada supporting my CH200. I've
even been to their Midland office and have found some leftover parts. They
are producing the newer planes but still have all the specs to help with
parts and support. I can understand they can't keep inventory on all old
models, and certainly most of the CH200 and 300's were probably scratch
built anyway. I've had nothing but good support and good attitude when
discussing my older model.
Michael Kolbasovsky
GCUD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith History
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
> One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading
> this
> group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their
> history,
> but refuses to talk about or support it.
>
> This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
> evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors of
> the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this is
> the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking
> away
> from all those 601's.
>
> Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Frank,
I did the commercial metal painting thing for a while after I stopped
doing electrical engineering. Let me offer a little wisdom on the
effort of learning to paint metal.
Painting is relatively easy to do poorly. It isn't really hard to
get reasonably good at it if you devote yourself to the
effort. Excellent work takes years to learn. The hard part of spray
painting is not the spraying - it is the preparation of the surface
to paint. This is a lot of very hard work making the surface smooth,
clean, and in the proper condition to grab onto the paint.
The really important thing for you to consider is the incredible
danger involved in painting. The paint is deadly - particularly the
solvents used to keep it liquid until applied to your work
piece. You need to take serious precautions in the handling and
protect your skin and lungs from the toxic chemicals. These problems
are well documented so it is not rocket science to learn proper
safety precautions. If you ignore any of them it may well kill
you. Even worse it could turn you into a drooling idiot who lives a
worthless life for many years.
There are other dangers too - risk of explosion and fire and other
similar things.
I am not trying to talk you out of doing your own painting. I think
it can be done and you can save a lot of money doing it
yourself. You can also get very acceptable results. My point is you
need to devote serious attention to the safety issues and make sure
you are covering all of them.
Good luck,
Paul
XL wings
>Are you thinking of painting the airplane yourself larry?....I'm getting
>close on the RV and am debating whether the learning process is a good
>investment vs the screw up potential.
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith History |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith History
> Perhaps the doubt expressed by the original lister in this thread is
> related to misunderstanding that there is a single Heintz and single
> company that is responsible for all the Heintz designs. There is not.
>
That is certainly true, I did think it was all one company. They have done
little to make any separation clear. I did get, in response to questions to
Zenith, the same "rubber stamp" email advising me to contact:
Mathieu at Zenair omheintz@csolve.net
Unfortunately this email appears bad. Queries about the email resulted in
the same message to contact the same bad email address. If there is a Zenair
and a Zenith and they have links to each other embedded within the similarly
layed out web pages it is unlikely that anyone not advised they were
different outfits would make that assumption.
There's no need to grab all the guns and come rallying to their defense. I
am trying to understand why they are doing what they do, not trying to
criticize.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Paul,
I agree with you in that the prep work is where the labour hours are...I
am currently finishing all the fiberglass parts on the RV. I have done
this numerous times (on steel) so that part is not difficult for me,
just time intensive.
The safety issue I think I have coverd.
The big question for me is...I know a guy who is an excellent painter
and I'm wondering if on a hideously expensive airplane like the RV is
this the place I should be learning or should I simply spend a grand or
so having my friend shoot the paint. He gave me some pointers on the
parts I had to paint before fitting the bubble canopy etc and they came
out OK...There is definatly some do's and don't when using a spray gun
vs a rattle can.
I have a '97 white Dodge neon and the paint is peeling off that...That
would be a far cheaper place to screw a paint job up on...:), but ti
would also be a great skill to have...
Frank
Do not archive
Painting is relatively easy to do poorly. It isn't really hard to get
reasonably good at it if you devote yourself to the effort. Excellent
work takes years to learn. The hard part of spray painting is not the
spraying - it is the preparation of the surface to paint. This is a lot
of very hard work making the surface smooth, clean, and in the proper
condition to grab onto the paint.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Frank,
Yes, I'm painting the plane with Aircraft Finishing Systems product.
They have a good instruction manual for applying
the single coat primer/sealer and 2-part topcoats. The paint is a water
thinned polyurethane and catalyst mix that is safe to
spray with an organic charcoal filter like the 6001 3M product. No
odor, HPLV gun per Harbor Freight and water cleanup.
It meets the EPA requirements and with water in lieu of a VOC thinner,
the isocyanate component doesn't go after you because
it neutralizes the dangerous side of polyurethane. I've painted before,
but this is a first in water and polyurethane paints.
My cost is going to be about $1500 including the paint booth versus
$3500 to $5000 for hiring it done.
Larry McFarland at www.macsmachine.com
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Are you thinking of painting the airplane yourself larry?....I'm getting
>close on the RV and am debating whether the learning process is a good
>investment vs the screw up potential.
>
>Frank
>
>I'm in the process of disassembling the plane and bringing parts home,
>so insulation, and the like will be added after the paint process is
>finished.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Trevor Page <webmaster@upac.ca>
Frank, there is a very good article on painting aircraft here:
http://www.ch601.org/resources/prep/surface_prep.htm
I studied this and researched a lot on the internet. Prep work is
essential as is the proper equipment. If you can rent or borrow an
HVLP turbine system is will make things a lot easier. Over-spray is
greatly reduced. Protect yourself with a good respirator and a forced
breathing system and if you can, paint it in a proper paint booth.
I did mine in my garage with filters and moistened the floor to keep
the dust down. Paint turned out pretty good. Not a super expensive
pro job but I get compliments so I'm satisfied. You can do it if
you're prepared to make the effort. Just take your time.
Oh, the paint I used was the Endura EX-2C system. Fairly affordable
and easy to work with. It's polyurethane. www.endura.ca
Lot of pictures of the painting process and final result at http://
pagefamily.homeunix.org/gallery/
Trev Page
C-IDUS 601HD R912
On May 3, 2006, at 1:29 PM, Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George
> (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Are you thinking of painting the airplane yourself larry?....I'm
> getting
> close on the RV and am debating whether the learning process is a good
> investment vs the screw up potential.
>
> Frank
>
> I'm in the process of disassembling the plane and bringing parts home,
> so insulation, and the like will be added after the paint process is
> finished.
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
I have been cutting aluminum and now have gotten to the point where I want
to order hardware bolts ..steel etc..
First much thanks to the member who posted the 701 BOM ..very helpful. My
question is this which makes more sense to struggle through the AN list and
quantities a P/N at a time or order one of the Hardware kits such as is
found on pages 81 and 82 in the Aircraft Spruce book or if you know of a
better source I am open to suggestion.. Also which are used Cadmium or
Stainless?
Thanks,
Ron Culver
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Want Zenith History, go to builders dinner at Oshkosh ( did I just let
something slip?). You are also confusing Zenith Aircraft with Zenair
Designs. Zenair is the support for the 200 and 300 series and all
previous versions before Zenith Aircraft was born. The 640 is also a
Zenair manufactured model kit and is sold by Zenith as it is sold by
Can-Zac Aviation. In Canada we run ads for the 640 in every COPA
magazine. So lets be realistic on this list there is several hundred 601
and 701 builders many 801 builders and less then 10 640 builders.
Probably even less 200 and 300 builders. It is not a matter of support,
Can-Zac and Zenair are here for anyone who needs things for the old
series of planes and Zenith stand behind all Zenair designed kits they
have produced. So in your last line " Any idea why they won't support
their progeny?" this is a false statement as Zenith Aircraft never built
200's 300's or even 640's or CH2000's. Zenair still supports them all.
Hope this helps.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:12 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Zenith History
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
One of the things I've noticed over the couple years I've been reading
this
group and reading the Zenith site is that Zenith is proud of their
history,
but refuses to talk about or support it.
This strikes me as very odd. I'd like to know how the various models
evolved, and know that they'll be supported. The 200 300 are ancestors
of
the 601 640 but are ignored by the company. The worrying aspect of this
is
the XL is the current baby, whats to stop the company from just walking
away
from all those 601's.
Any idea why they won't support their progeny?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
For those of you that have the Rotax 912 engine I am interested in
what type of fuel are you using and why. The factory is not to hot on
Avgas and I read that 92 octane auto fuel is recommended. What is your
experience?
Thanks
Rick
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
I used a 1/8 marine ply floor.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912, Spitfire Mk VIII
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
It does help Mark thanks. At the same time I sent for the info kit I came
across a ch-200 for sale in Ontario. I sent an email to Zenith asking
questions about older designs and got a rubber stamp type reply referring me
to a dead email. Subsequent attempts resulted in the same. I did not know
that Zenair and Zenith were different outfits, so the appearance was what I
stated. I worried that if this was the fate of older designs, what would
befall the owner of a 601 when the factory decided to go with only the XL or
whatever was hot at the time.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Zodie Rocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Hey Dave, not a problem, it takes awhile to get to know the divisions of
the Heintz setup, and many people had the same question but may have
been afraid to ask. Now let me add Can-Zac Aviation, AMD , and
Flightcrafters into the mix and along with Zenair, Zenith and Quality
Sport Planes and confuse the heck out of everyone! But in the end it all
boils down to Chris Heintz designs and the best builders support
possible from many different sources. U.S. builders have Zenith
Aircraft, Canadians have Can-Zac, legacy is Can-Zac and Zenair. Builders
assistance is Flightcrafters, Quality Sport Planes and Can-Zac Aviation.
Europe has whoever is there Zenair licensed Distributor and Chris Heintz
when available. But as Chris is semi-retired now they really only have
there local Zenair Distributor.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith History
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
It does help Mark thanks. At the same time I sent for the info kit I
came
across a ch-200 for sale in Ontario. I sent an email to Zenith asking
questions about older designs and got a rubber stamp type reply
referring me
to a dead email. Subsequent attempts resulted in the same. I did not
know
that Zenair and Zenith were different outfits, so the appearance was
what I
stated. I worried that if this was the fate of older designs, what
would
befall the owner of a 601 when the factory decided to go with only the
XL or
whatever was hot at the time.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Matt & Jo" <archermj@swbell.net>
I am also planning on using AFS on the exterior. I did some trial painting
of the interior. It was tricky at first. The support from the AFS is
great. I finally got the hang of it and I was really happy with the
results. The trick it to get it thinned properly and getting the "mist"
proper. After the first coat or so gradually increase the volume so it
flows. I also tried to do it at about 55 degrees and it worked but it
turned to much better when it warmed up. It is nice to work with, easy to
clean up and very safe. I was glad I tried it before I tackle the exterior.
Cheers
Matt
www.zodiacxl.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Paint
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Frank,
> Yes, I'm painting the plane with Aircraft Finishing Systems product.
> They have a good instruction manual for applying
> the single coat primer/sealer and 2-part topcoats. The paint is a water
> thinned polyurethane and catalyst mix that is safe to
> spray with an organic charcoal filter like the 6001 3M product. No
> odor, HPLV gun per Harbor Freight and water cleanup.
> It meets the EPA requirements and with water in lieu of a VOC thinner,
> the isocyanate component doesn't go after you because
> it neutralizes the dangerous side of polyurethane. I've painted before,
> but this is a first in water and polyurethane paints.
> My cost is going to be about $1500 including the paint booth versus
> $3500 to $5000 for hiring it done.
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| Subject: | Re: Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder appreciated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
> Hi Ron, fellow scratch builder here too. I got a
list
> from the packing list posted on the Zenith site. Its
> from builders resources. There's a packing list that
> lists all the hardware you need plus the rivets.
> the site is "welcome to ch701.com." I am getting my
> hardware from a NH supplier. D&D Aircraft supply.
> check with them to see if it suits you. They have an
> 800 number. 1 800 468-8000..... Bob S.
--- Ron Culver <rculver@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver"
> <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
>
> I have been cutting aluminum and now have gotten to
> the point where I want
> to order hardware bolts ..steel etc..
>
> First much thanks to the member who posted the 701
> BOM ..very helpful. My
> question is this which makes more sense to struggle
> through the AN list and
> quantities a P/N at a time or order one of the
> Hardware kits such as is
> found on pages 81 and 82 in the Aircraft Spruce book
> or if you know of a
> better source I am open to suggestion.. Also which
> are used Cadmium or
> Stainless?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron Culver
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: HDS Wing Locker problem |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bruce Bockius" <bruce@WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com>
FWIW I riveted a thin piece of polycarbonate (Lexan) onto the bottom of each
wing locker. Pretty light but strong enough to distribute the force from
any sharp objects.
-Bruce/601HD/TDO/Stratus/490hrs
****************************
Bruce Bockius
Black Forest, CO, USA
http://www.WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com/zodiacc
bruce@WhiteAntelopeSoftware.com
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Chapman
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: [aviation] Re: Zenith-List: HDS Wing Locker problem
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
At 09:09 03-05-06, you wrote:
>working on my HDS outer wings, I will have to do my wing lockers soon.
>Looking at the flimsy 0.4mm (0.016 " for most of you) bottom skin, I fear
>that my wing will be destroyed the first time I put anything into that
>locker. In my imagination the only baggage
>Is it enough to cushion the floor with some kind of carpet?
I tried lining at least the bottom of the wing lockers with Plasticor --
The internally corrugated plastic sheets that can be found at art supply
stores or sign companies. (Or on any lawn after a election, at least here
in Canada or the USA!)
I don't know if it is the ideal solution, but it is very light, has some
thickness to absorb shock, and won't rot when water seeps in while the
aircraft is stored outside. Seems to work.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, Canada 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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| Subject: | Re: Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder appreciated |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver" <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
Thanks Bob I have that list but am a bit stymied by the A/R listings.
Without actually mentally doing each section how do I know how many equals
"as required"..some are pretty clear a number is given. Also did you as Paul
Mulwitz suggested send them a list and ask for a bid or did you buy a set
which would include bolts,washers,nuts etc?
I can give them a call tomorrow.Is it poissible they still have your list
with the correct amounts. I noticed on another post someone saying that
registered plans have each part listed on the page.. Hmm I have a registered
set of plans and while i have a set of drawings of numbered parts I don't
seem to have any such for much of the bolts etc at least in a readily usable
format.. As I said I am at an early stage and I know this will get clearer
as I progress but i am trying get my ducks in a row for when I arrive at a
stage to have all of the parts on hand not awaiting an order from some
supplier.
Thanks for the reply,
Ron Culver
701 early stages
rudder done,except for attaching bolts etc..most of rear fuselage cut but
not in finished form yet.. some wing forms done but no aluminum formed there
so far
----- Original Message -----
From: "ROBERT SCEPPA" <rjscep@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Ch701 Hardware.. A reply from a scratch builder
appreciated
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>
>> Hi Ron, fellow scratch builder here too. I got a
> list
>> from the packing list posted on the Zenith site. Its
>> from builders resources. There's a packing list that
>> lists all the hardware you need plus the rivets.
>> the site is "welcome to ch701.com." I am getting my
>> hardware from a NH supplier. D&D Aircraft supply.
>> check with them to see if it suits you. They have an
>> 800 number. 1 800 468-8000..... Bob S.
> --- Ron Culver <rculver@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Culver"
>> <rculver@nycap.rr.com>
>>
>> I have been cutting aluminum and now have gotten to
>> the point where I want
>> to order hardware bolts ..steel etc..
>>
>> First much thanks to the member who posted the 701
>> BOM ..very helpful. My
>> question is this which makes more sense to struggle
>> through the AN list and
>> quantities a P/N at a time or order one of the
>> Hardware kits such as is
>> found on pages 81 and 82 in the Aircraft Spruce book
>> or if you know of a
>> better source I am open to suggestion.. Also which
>> are used Cadmium or
>> Stainless?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron Culver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> browse
>> Subscriptions page,
>> FAQ,
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition toggle |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi folks,
the ignition boxes are made by Duccati. You can by them for much lower
prices in motor byce shops. Part number and all is on the box.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Zenith-List: RE: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual Ignition toggle
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
>
> Dave and all,
>
> I've operated a Rotax 912UL (80HP) for over 500hrs. I recently experienced
> the situation described. The engine would not shut down. After trouble
> shooting (swapping switches and grounding circuits) I decided the problem
> was an "OPEN" of the grounding circuit inside one of the very expensive
> Ignition Modules.
>
> The fine folks at Lockwood advised that there was a way of fixing this
> without replacing the ignition module. The remedy was to run one more wire
> into the cockpit and just break into the "Charging Coil" (Red) wire going
to
> the defective Ignition Module. Just had to reverse the switch so that "UP"
> now "closed" the circuit instead of "breaking" it. Works great. Saved many
> hundreds of dollars.
>
> Jim Hoak 601HD 509Hrs. Rotax 912UL 80HP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:04 PM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: Zenith-List: RE: Re: CorvAircraft> Dual
> Ignition toggle
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave" <daberti@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > The bore on my Rotax is 84mm (3.3"). I'm not sure what size the corvair
> > has
> > but I'll bet it's larger. The Rotax has a dual plug system with dual
> > ignitions that are checked just like the Lycomings and other similar
> > aircraft engines. I get a rpm drop when switching one off just like
they
> > do. And just like the others my ignition switch grounds out the
ignition
> > circuit so a switch failure is more apt to keep the engine running than
> > kill
> > it...but that's for Murphy to figure out. One check I do is when
shutting
> > down the engine I let turn off one set 5 seconds before the other. Shut
> > down is smoother and I get a "Mag" check on shutdown too.
> >
> > Dave 601-HD 912ULS
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brandon
> > The piston area of the lycos is so large that
> > running both spark plugs will produce a much more
> > complete fuel burn, as proven by the RPM drop on mag
> > checks. The same results would likely not be realized
> > in the corvair with such a small diameter piston, even
> > with two spark plugs, so running both ignitions does
> > not help there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
Hi Rick,
I'm mainly using mogas with the highest Ocatn rating. Mogas is recommended
by Rotax. Avgas can be used as well, but due to the lead in the Avgas you
will need to change the oil much more frequent. I use Avgas sometimes on
x-country trips. when nothing else is available. Performance is no
difference.
There is more on this subject in the archives.
Thilo Kind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:32 AM
Subject: Zenith-List:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Rick Lach" <rick@ravengear.us>
>
> For those of you that have the Rotax 912 engine I am interested in
> what type of fuel are you using and why. The factory is not to hot on
> Avgas and I read that 92 octane auto fuel is recommended. What is your
> experience?
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
>
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