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1. 04:41 AM - 601XL Flap settings (Jonathan Starke)
2. 04:46 AM - wheels/brakes for XL (Daniel Dempsey)
3. 04:54 AM - Re: Crowned rear wing ribs (Gary Boothe)
4. 05:26 AM - 701 Elevator Questions (Ryan Vechinski)
5. 05:59 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (Michael Valentine)
6. 06:00 AM - Re: (Off topic) Rotax (Noel Loveys)
7. 06:25 AM - XL canopy issue -- inside flashing (Rico Voss)
8. 06:26 AM - Re: wheels/brakes for XL (Robin Bellach)
9. 06:33 AM - Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale (ernie)
10. 06:41 AM - Re: wheels/brakes for XL (leinad)
11. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Snow Blind Curse (Noel Loveys)
12. 08:00 AM - It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
13. 08:16 AM - Re: It finally happened! (Dave Ruddiman)
14. 08:22 AM - Re: XL canopy issue -- inside flashing - solution (N5SL)
15. 08:28 AM - Re: It finally happened! (Randy Bryant)
16. 08:49 AM - Re: XL canopy issue -- inside flashing (LarryMcFarland)
17. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Larry Landucci)
18. 09:08 AM - Re: Instruments (Dave Ruddiman)
19. 09:28 AM - Re: Crowned rear wing ribs (TxDave)
20. 09:49 AM - Re: Crowned rear wing ribs (Randy Bryant)
21. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) (Dave Ruddiman)
22. 10:30 AM - Work Table Height (lwinger)
23. 10:43 AM - Re: It finally happened! (Gary Gower)
24. 11:04 AM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Dave Austin)
25. 11:39 AM - Re: It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
26. 01:31 PM - I am sorry (Robert L. Stone)
27. 02:21 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Gig Giacona)
28. 02:29 PM - Re: Work Table Height (Gig Giacona)
29. 02:34 PM - Re: Work Table Height (Bryan Martin)
30. 02:34 PM - Re: It finally happened! (Gig Giacona)
31. 03:10 PM - (Robert L. Stone)
32. 03:11 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Bryan Martin)
33. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
34. 03:21 PM - Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Pete Krotje)
35. 03:23 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Flydog1966@aol.com)
36. 03:32 PM - Re: Work Table Height (Bill Naumuk)
37. 03:42 PM - Re: 601XL Flap settings (Bryan Martin)
38. 03:45 PM - kinks in hoses? (Peter Chapman)
39. 03:45 PM - run-on engine? (Peter Chapman)
40. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Craig Payne)
41. 03:52 PM - DSL & photos (Craig Payne)
42. 04:00 PM - Re: kinks in hoses? (ron wehba)
43. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Paul Mulwitz)
44. 04:19 PM - Re: run-on engine? (george may)
45. 04:24 PM - Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Paul Mulwitz)
46. 05:10 PM - Re: Crowned rear wing ribs (Ron Lendon)
47. 06:33 PM - Re: Re: Snow Blind Curse (Zodie Rocket)
48. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Robin Bellach)
49. 07:17 PM - Re: run-on engine? (Jim and Lucy)
50. 07:18 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
51. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: MSD GMR PIckup (N5SL)
52. 08:34 PM - Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Randy Stout)
53. 08:38 PM - Re: Work Table Height (Jeff)
54. 08:50 PM - Re: IO-360 Fuel Tanks (Tom)
55. 08:51 PM - Re: Re: MSD GMR PIckup (Craig Payne)
56. 08:51 PM - Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Randy Stout)
57. 08:52 PM - Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Jeff)
58. 09:36 PM - Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Randy Stout)
59. 09:36 PM - Re: Photo Share / Rock Throwing (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
60. 09:39 PM - Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Paul Mulwitz)
61. 09:51 PM - Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Craig Payne)
62. 10:01 PM - Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar (Craig Payne)
63. 10:39 PM - Re: kinks in hoses? (Charles D)
64. 11:08 PM - Re: Re: Work Table Height (Gary Gower)
65. 11:11 PM - Re: aeroquip fittings (Mike)
66. 11:12 PM - Re: Re: It finally happened! (Dan Lykowski)
67. 11:33 PM - Re: run-on engine? (Gary Gower)
68. 11:35 PM - Re: aeroquip fittings (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | 601XL Flap settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke" <jonathan@entry.co.za>
Hi All,
I now have 24hrs on my Zodiac XL.
I have a problem, however, with the amount of flap I am able to set.
I can only get about 17degrees of flap extension, before the bar that runs from
the flap motor, to the flap actuator arm, touches the top of the compression
strut, that the wings attach to.
Has anyone else had this problem, and is the solution just to extend the arm
length, so that the actuator rod from the motor is higher off the copression
strut?
I have plenty of place on the aux bar, the one with the micro switches on, to
move the micro switches, so that is NOT a problem.
What do you guys think?
Thnx
Jonathan
P.S. Am loving every minute of the flying
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| Subject: | wheels/brakes for XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Daniel Dempsey" <leinad@hughes.net>
Listers,
I noticed that in my drawings only the nose wheel is specified. There is
nothing about the mains, or the brakes to use. What are you other scratch
builders using? What comes with the kit for mains?
Dan
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| Subject: | Crowned rear wing ribs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe@calply.com>
A technique discussed in the Metal Working 101 DVD was to increase some of
the crimps in the edge flanges using a crimping tool. Currently I am scratch
building the center section and, though I have not done the rear ribs, yet,
the technique worked on the nose ribs.
Gary Boothe
Cool, CA
601 HDSTD, WW Conversion
Tail done, wings done, working on c-section
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lendon
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Crowned rear wing ribs
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Group,
I have made the rear wing ribs and after forming the flange on the
lightening holes there is a little crown (8mm) in the ribs. It was removed
on the first four ribs with the L angles. Should all the ribs get L angles?
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62685#62685
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| Subject: | 701 Elevator Questions |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ryan Vechinski" <brothapig@hotmail.com>
Ok, I've got a couple more questions on the elevator for the 701. I'm just
finishing it up. I went to place the outside hinge plates on the elevator
(sorry I don't have part numbers, I'm at the office...) and I cannot get the
plate to fit between my two elevator tip rib rivets (the ones that rivet the
tip rib to the spar angle) Anybody else run into this problem, and would it
be ok to shorten the hinge plates? (it would be approximately 5mm each side)
Second, just to verify, on the center hinge bolt setup, there is NO washer
between the bolt head and the elevator hinge bracket? This seems odd to me,
but that is the way it is shown in the drawings. Also, is the elevator
bracket bolt hole supposed to be an interference fit? (The threaded part of
the bolt will fit, but I will need to use the nut to draw the rest of the
bolt into the hole when in comes time, I cannot push it in with my fingers)
I can see myself swearing at that bolt if I ever need to take the elevator
off in the future!! :)
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
Ernie - I'm sure you saw the pics from Jeff. Although you can't tell too
much from pictures, it generally looks like very good work and it is
probably pretty well logged. That might be a better option than a
quick-build and/or builder assist.
Michael
On 9/18/06, ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> I am concidering building a 601xl. But I will need to consult with
> other builders, I am new to this and have not taken the rudder class or
> flown in a zenith.
> ernie
>
> On 9/17/06, Afterfxllc@aol.com <Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > MAKE OFFER
> >
> > I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no choice.
> > The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part
> > primer.
> > The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is on
> > it's mains and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete on the
> > fush.
> > The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option and
> > the wing baggage doors.
> > I also got the strobe option.
> > I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
> > Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
> > Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
> > Jeff
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Zenith-List:(Off topic) Rotax |
I went to school in Stanstead Qc.. It's just across the border from
Derby
line and if memory serves me right about ten miles form Jay Peak. Must
be
well into harvest season now.
Noel
Campbellton, Newfoundland
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:21 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Rotax
I'm at the point were I need to order something that will make noise and
spin a propeller. It's going to be a Rotax 912ULS and from what I can
tell
online, everyone seems to sell this engine for about the same price
including Zenith. I was wondering if anyone had any advise for who to
deal
with. I've got to believe that some are better than others especially if
I
were to have a problem with the engine. I'm in Northern Vt. (no snow
yet) so
Canada may also be an option.
Thanks,
Gordon
CH701
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| Subject: | XL canopy issue -- inside flashing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
[my apologies -- yesterday's post meant for Larry Mac]
So... does anybody have a suggestion for what to do with
the inside flashing in front of the fwd tube frame. With
the tube leaning inboard, pushing the inside flashing
inboard, the front end jams against the edge of the instr.
panel. If cut fwd of the tube (like Jeff D did), it's
left flopping in the breeze -- but it is non-structural
there. I'm thinking of cutting it halfway, down from the
top, so that it can clear the panel edge.
Larry cut it away there, but that leaves an opening in
front of the tube.
Thanks for any ideas.
--Richard V, XL/3300, KC Slugworks West
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| Subject: | Re: wheels/brakes for XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
I recently got the Gear and Wheel Kit from ZAC. Included, but drop shipped
from Grove, were the following:
2 Grove # 50-1A wheel 500x5
2 Grove # 30-1 caliper assembly
2 Grove # 5013 aluminum 500x5 axle
4 Grove # 5710 aluminum axle spacer
1 Grove # 5802 axle bolt kit (8 bolts, 8 nuts, 16 washers
Robin in AR
N601ZV Zen-Vair 90%/90%
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Dempsey" <leinad@hughes.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:45 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: wheels/brakes for XL
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Daniel Dempsey" <leinad@hughes.net>
>
> Listers,
> I noticed that in my drawings only the nose wheel is specified. There is
> nothing about the mains, or the brakes to use. What are you other scratch
> builders using? What comes with the kit for mains?
> Dan
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| Subject: | Re: 601 XL Factory Kit for sale |
Yep,
I just looked at them. I think I will give him a call .
Ernie
On 9/20/06, Michael Valentine <mgvalentine@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie - I'm sure you saw the pics from Jeff. Although you can't tell too
> much from pictures, it generally looks like very good work and it is
> probably pretty well logged. That might be a better option than a
> quick-build and/or builder assist.
>
> Michael
>
> On 9/18/06, ernie <ernieth@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> > I am concidering building a 601xl. But I will need to consult with
> > other builders, I am new to this and have not taken the rudder class or
> > flown in a zenith.
> > ernie
> >
> > On 9/17/06, Afterfxllc@aol.com < Afterfxllc@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > MAKE OFFER
> > >
> > > I hate to sell this but wife lost her medical and I have no choice.
> > > The tail is finished and primed inside and out with DuPont 2 part
> > > primer.
> > > The fush. is 80% complete and is also primed inside and out, it is on
> > > it's mains and has the dual stick option. The canopy is 60% complete on the
> > > fush.
> > > The wings haven't been started. I bought the landing light option and
> > > the wing baggage doors.
> > > I also got the strobe option.
> > > I have 2 corvair motors along with WW's books and tapes.
> > > Please contact me off line at 502-644-8123
> > > Kit is located in Louisville Ky.
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> >
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: wheels/brakes for XL |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
Robin,
Thanks for the info.
Dan
Do not archive
--------
Scratch building XL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62748#62748
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Blind Curse |
Go North young man! ;-) Penn is banana territory!
We only have 4 months of winter..... and 8 months of hard sledding!
Noel
Newfoundland, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Jim-
Well, as you know, Pa. in winter is where Hell froze over. I really
respect the guys who fly for FedEx!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim <mailto:planejim@bellsouth.net> Hoak
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill Naumuk I am originally from Pa ( been in Ga for 43 years ) and live
near Bill of Ga. I've ssen him sweat in his shop and hangar. In the
summer
Ga IS HELL!
do not archive
Jim Hoak - also of GA
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk <mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill-
Closer to warm climes sounds closer to Hell to me.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Yankee Friends, it tain't that we men of the South just don't know what
it's
like to live in the frozen hell of the north. We do ! It's just that we
are
also smart enough not to choose to live there. Course, GOD blessing us
to
been born down here abouts, helped out some too. Best wishes, Bill of
Georgia
do not archive
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| Subject: | It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
It finally happened. After 8 months of being packed
away from my move, I was able to get my kit out and
start drilling some holes!
I was planning on scratch building the rest of my
plane. Whats the cheapest place for aluminum these
days? I know I could save on shipping by going with
Wicks since there is one nearby, but I don't know if
the cost of shipping is compareable to what I would be
saving by going somewhere else.
Thanks,
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Ruddiman" <pacificpainting@comcast.net>
Dan,
Does the Dynon Avionics after your name mean you work there or you are using
their stuff?
Dave in Salem
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lykowski" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: It finally happened!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
>
> It finally happened. After 8 months of being packed
> away from my move, I was able to get my kit out and
> start drilling some holes!
>
> I was planning on scratch building the rest of my
> plane. Whats the cheapest place for aluminum these
> days? I know I could save on shipping by going with
> Wicks since there is one nearby, but I don't know if
> the cost of shipping is compareable to what I would be
> saving by going somewhere else.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy issue -- inside flashing - solution |
Jason Cantrell in Mississippi has a pretty good
solution. He installed a strip of thin nylon similar
to the one used at the front of the canopy hinge. He
installed this on the canopy frame inside flashing
right where it contacts the panel side.
Jason's airplane is the finest example of a finished
601XL I've seen. I had the pleasure of flying in his
airplane and it was a real thrill.
I'm attaching a photo I took of Jason and his 601XL.
You can see the nylon piece if you look closely.
There are three rivets holding it in place in the
front of the canopy frame arm.
Scott Laughlin
http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
Installing Propellar
--- Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> [my apologies -- yesterday's post meant for Larry
> Mac]
>
> So... does anybody have a suggestion for what to do
> with
> the inside flashing in front of the fwd tube frame.
>
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Bryant" <randy@n344rb.com>
I'm scratch building... I bought all of my aluminum sheeting from Yarde
Metals. They were by far the cheapest I found. For smaller pieces of stock
you'll need, I'd recommend using Speedy Metals.
I'll paste URL's for both, the system my kick them out, but I'll try
anyways:
Speedy Metals: http://stores.ebay.com/SPEEDY-METALS-1-888-744-4140
Yarde Metals: http://www.yarde.com/
Thanks,
Randy
XL Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lykowski" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: It finally happened!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
>
> It finally happened. After 8 months of being packed
> away from my move, I was able to get my kit out and
> start drilling some holes!
>
> I was planning on scratch building the rest of my
> plane. Whats the cheapest place for aluminum these
> days? I know I could save on shipping by going with
> Wicks since there is one nearby, but I don't know if
> the cost of shipping is compareable to what I would be
> saving by going somewhere else.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: XL canopy issue -- inside flashing |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Rico,
I'd suggest you just roll the piece and shorten it forward of the tube.
It could be made to match the edges of the instrument panel
but, being non structural, you only need a finished end. It won't
affect your airflow inside or contribute to leakage if your outside is
sealed canopy down. It's not an area that is noticed when finish work
is completed. I'd not add anything else.
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/flash&rubber.gif
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/canopy/full/canopyframefwd.gif
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Rico Voss wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rico Voss <vozzen@yahoo.com>
>
>[my apologies -- yesterday's post meant for Larry Mac]
>
>So... does anybody have a suggestion for what to do with
>the inside flashing in front of the fwd tube frame. With
>the tube leaning inboard, pushing the inside flashing
>inboard, the front end jams against the edge of the instr.
>panel. If cut fwd of the tube (like Jeff D did), it's
>left flopping in the breeze -- but it is non-structural
>there. I'm thinking of cutting it halfway, down from the
>top, so that it can clear the panel edge.
>Larry cut it away there, but that leaves an opening in
>front of the tube.
>
>Thanks for any ideas.
>--Richard V, XL/3300, KC Slugworks West
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
On my 801 I have a 76 inch Sensenich two-bladed, fixed pitch, one-piece
forged aluminum alloy cruise propeller which is anodized to retard
corrosion. It was the prop supplied by Zenith.
Not ever having any other prop I have nothing to compare it with, but I
certainly do not need any more climb capability. When I am alone (with
60 gal fuel) I can climb about 1000 ft/min or more at 60 knots. My
straight and level cruise speed at 2500 rpm (approx 80% power) is 85-90
knots.
Although some 801 builders prefer a wooden prop, I think the only
advantage (other than cost) is that in the event of a prop strike the
prop will be sacrificed and the engine might not be damaged. Also,
wooden props look nice, but I think the combination of a wooden prop on
an all-metal airplane looks a bit odd.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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Jim,
What instruments do you have for sale? I'm gathering up some as I build.
I think I may get a couple from a friend that is replacing his in his
RV. I don't know which ones yet.
Dave in Salem
801
----- Original Message -----
From: J2j3h4@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Instruments
If you decide to go with the standard instruments, I have most of
these for sale, used, from an RV-7 project I was planning before I
learned that I could not pass the medical.
Jim Hasper
In a message dated 9/17/2006 10:13:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
4rcsimmons@comcast.net writes:
For those of you flying or far enough along to have purchased
gauges/instruments, what is hot and what is not.
i would like to see what others are doing. I am still thinking about
the standard six pack.
--
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
601 XL - Working on the wings
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| Subject: | Re: Crowned rear wing ribs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
Hey Ron,
I got my ribs to be pretty flat by tweaking the crimps and making sure the flanges
were 90 degrees. I used a small plastic head mallet to work on the flanges
while they were laying flat on my work table. But, lets say you do the L angles
on every rib. What's the end result? You'll add a few ounces total (at the
most) and make your ribs a little stiffer. I can't see any harm, but I'm sure
someone else will disagree. From what I've seen, the quality of your work is outstanding.
I bet your ribs will be the same.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
Ch601XL scratch builder
http://www.daves601xl.com
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| Subject: | Re: Crowned rear wing ribs |
Hi Ron,
I know exactly what you are talking about... AFTER you crimp the edges, the
edges will be flat, but the center section of the rib, where the lightening
holes are, will still be bowed... I had the same thing happen to me...
I really don't think it poses a structural problem, and the factory parts
very well may have this same 'feature', I don't know, as I've never seen a
factory rib before...
I did, put angles on all of my ribs, not just the first 4 as the plans show.
I liked having the angles on all the ribs... I've been told by a few people,
who have never scratch built a plane, by the way, that this was totally
unacceptable since it 'wasn't by the plans', but I really don't foresee a
problem, and I'm not afraid of this from a safety perspective.
I've attached a picture of my right wing so you could see the angles I've
added.
Thanks,
Randy
XL - Wings - Plans Only
http://www.n344rb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:24 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Crowned rear wing ribs
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
>
> Group,
>
> I have made the rear wing ribs and after forming the flange on the
> lightening holes there is a little crown (8mm) in the ribs. It was
> removed on the first four ribs with the L angles. Should all the ribs get
> L angles?
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62685#62685
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 801 Builders (Propeller) |
Larry,
Thanks for the reply. I agree on props. A wood prop looked really good
on the J3 Cub I had but I wouldn't want one on the 801. I am told that
metal props, although heavier are more efficient than wood.
What do you estimate your ground roll on takeoff is. I'll probably be
flying off concrete most of the time and also solo, so I'm curious what
the takeoff distance really is. Also, I'm on about 200 MSL.
Thanks,
Dave in Salem
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Landucci
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: 801 Builders (Propeller)
On my 801 I have a 76 inch Sensenich two-bladed, fixed pitch,
one-piece forged aluminum alloy cruise propeller which is anodized to
retard corrosion. It was the prop supplied by Zenith.
Not ever having any other prop I have nothing to compare it with, but
I certainly do not need any more climb capability. When I am alone (with
60 gal fuel) I can climb about 1000 ft/min or more at 60 knots. My
straight and level cruise speed at 2500 rpm (approx 80% power) is 85-90
knots.
Although some 801 builders prefer a wooden prop, I think the only
advantage (other than cost) is that in the event of a prop strike the
prop will be sacrificed and the engine might not be damaged. Also,
wooden props look nice, but I think the combination of a wooden prop on
an all-metal airplane looks a bit odd.
Larry Landucci -- N801LL
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| Subject: | Work Table Height |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
I must finally level my work table and get it off of the sawhorses. Because half
of my table is under our overhead garage door, I need to know the max height
of any part of the fuselage/landing gear assembly before it goes down on its
wheels.
Can anyone who is at that stage (or beyond) give me that measurement?
Thanks.
--------
Larry Winger
Tustin, CA
601XL #6493 from scratch
Stabilizer skeleton ready to rivet
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
Hello Dan,
Just to know... Not relevant. Just what plane is it? 601 or 701...
And where are you located? Could be in your signature.
Well, good for you that you started, hope to hear soon about your first flight...
Lets all keep debouring, the most interesting part of building :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S
Building a 601 XL.
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Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
It finally happened. After 8 months of being packed
away from my move, I was able to get my kit out and
start drilling some holes!
I was planning on scratch building the rest of my
plane. Whats the cheapest place for aluminum these
days? I know I could save on shipping by going with
Wicks since there is one nearby, but I don't know if
the cost of shipping is compareable to what I would be
saving by going somewhere else.
Thanks,
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
With all appropriate respect,
I sat for 35 -40 minutes while 24 pictures arrived, each approx. 200Kb.
That seems like a 4.8 meg transmission.
We've had this discussion recently.
Please realize that I want to spend my money on an aeroplane, not on
hi-speed internet, and my time on building, not waiting for pictures to
arrive, appropriate to just a few on this chat.
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
I am building a 601. I've had the tail kit for just over a year now. Between the
move and just being busy I haven't had a lot of free time to work on it.
I live in the north Seattle area. The Wicks I am talking about is on the Arlington
airport. (Location of EAA NW fly-in)
They told me they were willing to bring up whatever I need in their supply truck
as long as I don't mind waiting a few weeks.
I work for Dynon Avionics as a software engineer, so feel free to ask questions.
I will do my best to answer them, or find someone who can.
Thanks,
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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Members,
I am sorry if I upset any of you by dealing with the busy body who
tried to tell me how to behave. If I receive any more crap from him or
anyone else, I will reply off net.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Have you considered the web version of the forum?
[url]forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=2[/url]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Work Table Height |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Before you go cutting off legs of your table keep in mind that by the time you
get to putting the upper rear skin on you will probably have it off the table
and on saw horses.
The most important thing about the table height is that it needs to fit you. You
are going to spend a lot of hours working on it.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Work Table Height |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The component that needed the most vertical clearance from my work
table was the root end of the wing when I rolled it over to access
either the top or bottom side. That is the distance from the rear
spar to the nose of the wing. I don't have an exact measurement handy
but it's over four feet because the root end of the wing was wider
than my table. No part of the fuselage assembly requires more
vertical clearance than that before it goes on its gear.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 1:29 PM, lwinger wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
>
> I must finally level my work table and get it off of the
> sawhorses. Because half of my table is under our overhead garage
> door, I need to know the max height of any part of the fuselage/
> landing gear assembly before it goes down on its wheels.
>
> Can anyone who is at that stage (or beyond) give me that measurement?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> 601XL #6493 from scratch
> Stabilizer skeleton ready to rivet
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Glad to have you in the forum and sorry to hijack the thread but William Wynne
praised the Dynon products and mentioned that you guys might be coming out with
a probe kit for his Corvair engine. Any word on the status of that.
[quote="engineerguy3737(at)yahoo."]
I am building a 601.
I work for Dynon Avionics as a software engineer, so feel free to ask questions.
I will do my best to answer them, or find someone who can.
Thanks,
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Members,
Does any one know what tachometer will work with a Jabiru 3300
engine. If so, I would like to know what the brand is and who sells
them.
This part of the message is for Douglas Moellering, please get in
touch. I lost your e-mail address.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
I suggest you ditch Outlook Express and switch to Mozilla
Thunderbird. It's free, it's much better than O. E. and you can
configure it to fetch only the e-mail headers. Then you can choose
which messages to download. I don't think you can do that in O. E.
The messages you are complaining about clearly indicated in the
subject line that they contained pictures.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Dave Austin wrote:
> With all appropriate respect,
> I sat for 35 -40 minutes while 24 pictures arrived, each approx.
> 200Kb. That seems like a 4.8 meg transmission.
> We've had this discussion recently.
> Please realize that I want to spend my money on an aeroplane, not
> on hi-speed internet, and my time on building, not waiting for
> pictures to arrive, appropriate to just a few on this chat.
>
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
We don't plan on coming out with a probe, he did misquote a little.
For those who don't know what this is about..
WW's feeling is that directly coupling the tach input onto the coil is a bad idea
that could cause the engine to stop, if the coil shorted to ground.
Our electrical engineers suggest attaching a very large resistor between the Dynon
and the coil, attached directly to the coil.
This would work, and should by all means be safe to fly. The only possibility of
fault is if the reisistor shorts which is highly unlikely.
Even if the wires break, the resistor will still not allow enough current to flow
to stop the engine.
But, the research I am doing (since I am the one with the Corvair engine) is looking
in to inductive coupling off of a spark plug wire.
The Dynon requires very very little current to drive the tach, in the millivolts
if I remember correctly.
I am planning on using an Op amp to amplify the inductive signal picked up off
the wires to the correct voltage that I need. Since the Dynon is just looking
for a square wave it should be a pretty straight forward circuit.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
----- Original Message ----
From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:33:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
Glad to have you in the forum and sorry to hijack the thread but William Wynne
praised the Dynon products and mentioned that you guys might be coming out with
a probe kit for his Corvair engine. Any word on the status of that.
[quote="engineerguy3737(at)yahoo."]
I am building a 601.
I work for Dynon Avionics as a software engineer, so feel free to ask questions.
I will do my best to answer them, or find someone who can.
Thanks,
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
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> [b]
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pete@usjabiru.com>
Hello All,
Jabiru USA will host a Zenith 601 / 701 installation seminar at our location
in Shelbyville, Tennessee. The seminar will take place Oct 20 - 22, 2006
and run from noon Friday the 20th thru noon Sunday the 22nd.
The seminar will be presented by Mark Stauffer who manages Jabiru USA's
builder assist program. Mark is a 601 builder and he will use his fuselage
and firewall forward kit to demonstrate the installation procedure.
The seminar includes lunch on Friday and Saturday. Cost for the seminar is
$175.00 and class size will be limited to 10.
Check the Jabiru USA web site on Monday for more details, the seminar
syllabus, and class schedule. A registration form will be on line as well.
Please call Jabiru USA at 931-680-2800 if you need more info but wait until
everything is posted next Monday.
Pete Krotje
Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
www.usjabiru.com
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
In a message dated 9/20/2006 2:06:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
daveaustin2@can.rogers.com writes:
With all appropriate respect,
I sat for 35 -40 minutes while 24 pictures arrived, each approx. 200Kb.
That seems like a 4.8 meg
I hit delete after 30 seconds. Why did you wait 40 min? According to Zenith
build times
you could have built a rudder in that much time ; )
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| Subject: | Re: Work Table Height |
Larry-
Check out Larry Mac's cruciform jig on his website- you'll have to
modify it a bit for an XL, but I think it's the neatest thing since sliced
bread. I built one for my HDS and will never regret it. I can move my center
section/fuse around with one finger.
For an HDS, 16" from the floor to the bottom of the longitudinal 2x6's.
I have about $50 and 25 hrs time in it.
Picture attached, and for crying out loud, don't anyone complain!
Sheesh- I pay about $15/month more for DSL than dial-up. It's worth it in
the time you spend waiting!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Work Table Height
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwinger" <larrywinger@gmail.com>
>
> I must finally level my work table and get it off of the sawhorses.
> Because half of my table is under our overhead garage door, I need to know
> the max height of any part of the fuselage/landing gear assembly before it
> goes down on its wheels.
>
> Can anyone who is at that stage (or beyond) give me that measurement?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --------
> Larry Winger
> Tustin, CA
> 601XL #6493 from scratch
> Stabilizer skeleton ready to rivet
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62798#62798
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Flap settings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
The flap actuator arm should be attached to the flap torque tube so
that the arm is almost touching the back of rear frame with the flaps
retracted. If there is any space between the arm and the frame with
the flaps up then there will be that much less travel available in
the actuator arm and you won't get full flap extension.
You could fix this by removing the flap actuator arm and reattaching
it at different angle (which would involve filling in the old drill
hole and drilling a new one at the very least). Or you might be able
to attach an extension to the actuator arm that extends forward at at
right angle to the arm. This will give you a larger increase in
travel then just extending the length of the arm. It will keep the
laver arm the same length but effectively reduce the angle that the
flap actuator attaches to the torque tube. Then the travel would only
be limited by the clearance you have between the lever and the lower
fuselage skin at full travel.
On Sep 20, 2006, at 7:39 AM, Jonathan Starke wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jonathan Starke"
> <jonathan@entry.co.za>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I now have 24hrs on my Zodiac XL.
>
> I have a problem, however, with the amount of flap I am able to set.
>
> I can only get about 17degrees of flap extension, before the bar
> that runs from
> the flap motor, to the flap actuator arm, touches the top of the
> compression
> strut, that the wings attach to.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem, and is the solution just to
> extend the arm
> length, so that the actuator rod from the motor is higher off the
> copression
> strut?
>
> I have plenty of place on the aux bar, the one with the micro
> switches on, to
> move the micro switches, so that is NOT a problem.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Thnx
> Jonathan
>
> P.S. Am loving every minute of the flying
>
>
--
Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
Any ideas on how to stop hoses from kinking?
I've recently assisted with replacing some coolant hoses on a 912
engine. The new hoses aren't as stiff as the old ones, and have a
tendency to kink slightly in a couple spots, which would lead to
reduced internal diameter.
Some options involve changin the whole setup: find stiffer hoses, add
angled joints, or look for pre-formed auto hoses that better match
the needed shapes.
Tying the hoses down in certain places distributed bending stresses
and therefore reduces the tendency for the hoses to kink at a certain
spot. Another solution I'm experimenting with is to wrap the hose in
the critical spot with sheet aluminum, which is then compressed with
a tie wrap, in an attempt to force the hose to "stay round", and/or
not to bend as much at that point along the hose.
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
Hi,
Any ideas on solutions for a run-on engine issue?
This is for a 912 engine, usually running on 91 Mogas, that tended
to run some seconds after shutdown, during operations this summer.
The run-on is intermittent so it really shakes the engine and is
clearly not a good thing.
I've only seen a little bit in the archives about the issue.
Topics that had come up, for different engine types:
- too hot
- combustion deposits (hot spots)
- poor fuel quality, or old fuel
- timing too advanced
- carbs need cleaning, eg, dirt under needle.
Ways to deal with it were suggested:
- reduce idle speed
- idle longer before shutoff to cool engine
- use choke on shutdown (too little air for it to run)
- ignition off, throttle wide open (too much air for it to run)
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Why not use the MSD GMR pick-up? Electrically isolated and easier to use
than a gear tooth pick-up.
"Convert tachometer signals without cutting or splicing. These MSD tach
signal GMR pickups simply attach, with no splicing or cutting, to a
current-carrying wire, and turn that information into a 12 V rpm signal.
That signal can then be used to activate a shift light, rpm activation
switch, or tachometer."
www.msdignition.com/2006/06-22.htm
Part number MSD-8918 at www.summitracing.com
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> Sheesh- I pay about $15/month more for DSL than dial-up. It's worth it in
the time you spend waiting!
Sadly DSL is only offered up to a certain distance from the phone company's
switch. That leaves dial-up, line-of-sight terrestrial wireless and
satellite.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: kinks in hoses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ron wehba" <rwehba@cebridge.net>
how about a light weight spring inside, just like a lower radiator hose on a
car!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chapman" <pchapman@ionsys.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:38 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: kinks in hoses?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
>
> Any ideas on how to stop hoses from kinking?
>
> I've recently assisted with replacing some coolant hoses on a 912 engine.
> The new hoses aren't as stiff as the old ones, and have a tendency to kink
> slightly in a couple spots, which would lead to reduced internal diameter.
>
> Some options involve changin the whole setup: find stiffer hoses, add
> angled joints, or look for pre-formed auto hoses that better match the
> needed shapes.
>
> Tying the hoses down in certain places distributed bending stresses and
> therefore reduces the tendency for the hoses to kink at a certain spot.
> Another solution I'm experimenting with is to wrap the hose in the
> critical spot with sheet aluminum, which is then compressed with a tie
> wrap, in an attempt to force the hose to "stay round", and/or not to bend
> as much at that point along the hose.
>
>
> Peter Chapman
> Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Dan,
I read your description of a tachometer pickup and had a thought or
two for you to consider.
First, I wouldn't bother with the op amp - it sounds like too much
trouble. I would make an inductive pickup of a couple of turns of
wire around your source (spark plug wire?) and adjust the number of
turns until you get the desired voltage. I would also recommend a
clamping diode across your coil to prevent your signal from going
negative - that could hurt your input circuit big time (ask your EE
friends to explain latch-up for you). Also, if you are worried about
over-voltage you could use a zener diode in parallel with the
clamping diode to limit the maximum voltage. In all cases, your
circuit should not experience much power at all.
The above protections would probably be a good idea for input to your
op-amp or for direct input into the display system.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
At 03:17 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
>
>We don't plan on coming out with a probe, he did misquote a little.
>
>For those who don't know what this is about..
>WW's feeling is that directly coupling the tach input onto the coil
>is a bad idea that could cause the engine to stop, if the coil
>shorted to ground.
>
>Our electrical engineers suggest attaching a very large resistor
>between the Dynon and the coil, attached directly to the coil.
>This would work, and should by all means be safe to fly. The only
>possibility of fault is if the reisistor shorts which is highly unlikely.
>Even if the wires break, the resistor will still not allow enough
>current to flow to stop the engine.
>
>But, the research I am doing (since I am the one with the Corvair
>engine) is looking in to inductive coupling off of a spark plug wire.
>The Dynon requires very very little current to drive the tach, in
>the millivolts if I remember correctly.
>I am planning on using an Op amp to amplify the inductive signal
>picked up off the wires to the correct voltage that I need. Since
>the Dynon is just looking for a square wave it should be a pretty
>straight forward circuit.
>
>Dan Lykowski
>Dynon Avionics
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:33:37 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
>Glad to have you in the forum and sorry to hijack the thread but
>William Wynne praised the Dynon products and mentioned that you guys
>might be coming out with a probe kit for his Corvair engine. Any
>word on the status of that.
>
>
>[quote="engineerguy3737(at)yahoo."]
>
>I am building a 601.
>
>
>I work for Dynon Avionics as a software engineer, so feel free to
>ask questions. I will do my best to answer them, or find someone who can.
>
>Thanks,
>Dan Lykowski
>Dynon Avionics
>
>Do Not Archive
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
>--------
>W.R. "Gig" Giacona
>601XL Under Construction
>See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62849#62849
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Peter--
One other suggestion in the archieves was to turn off one mag before
shutting down to reduce the shaking.
George May
601XL 912s
>From: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: run-on engine?
>Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:30:08 -0400
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
>
>Hi,
>Any ideas on solutions for a run-on engine issue?
>
>This is for a 912 engine, usually running on 91 Mogas, that tended to run
>some seconds after shutdown, during operations this summer. The run-on is
>intermittent so it really shakes the engine and is clearly not a good
>thing.
>
>I've only seen a little bit in the archives about the issue.
>Topics that had come up, for different engine types:
>- too hot
>- combustion deposits (hot spots)
>- poor fuel quality, or old fuel
>- timing too advanced
>- carbs need cleaning, eg, dirt under needle.
>
>Ways to deal with it were suggested:
>- reduce idle speed
>- idle longer before shutoff to cool engine
>- use choke on shutdown (too little air for it to run)
>- ignition off, throttle wide open (too much air for it to run)
>
>
>Peter Chapman
>Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
>
>
_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Pete,
Please let me ask a couple of quick questions. Perhaps other list
users have the same ones . . .
1. Do you think the course is required for anyone planning to use a
Jabiru 3300? Are the documents included with the engine and/or FWF
kit sufficient for a loner to do the job without the seminar?
2. How much time should a builder plan for the actual installation
in his own plane? Is this task something that takes hours? days?
weeks? months?
Thanks,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 03:19 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pete@usjabiru.com>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Jabiru USA will host a Zenith 601 / 701 installation seminar at our location
>in Shelbyville, Tennessee. The seminar will take place Oct 20 - 22, 2006
>and run from noon Friday the 20th thru noon Sunday the 22nd.
>
>The seminar will be presented by Mark Stauffer who manages Jabiru USA's
>builder assist program. Mark is a 601 builder and he will use his fuselage
>and firewall forward kit to demonstrate the installation procedure.
>
>The seminar includes lunch on Friday and Saturday. Cost for the seminar is
>$175.00 and class size will be limited to 10.
>
>Check the Jabiru USA web site on Monday for more details, the seminar
>syllabus, and class schedule. A registration form will be on line as well.
>
>Please call Jabiru USA at 931-680-2800 if you need more info but wait until
>everything is posted next Monday.
>
>Pete Krotje
>Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
>www.usjabiru.com
>
>
---------------------------------------------
Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: Crowned rear wing ribs |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Ron Lendon" <rlendon@comcast.net>
Randy,
Well that's what I thought also, but I wanted to bring it up here so the next guy
looking for this will be able to find it in the archives. I did search but
its like it never made it in.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62889#62889
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| Subject: | Re: Snow Blind Curse |
In Canada we only have two seasons Winter and July !!!!
cdngoose
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Noel Loveys
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Go North young man! ;-) Penn is banana territory!
We only have 4 months of winter..... and 8 months of hard sledding!
Noel
Newfoundland, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Jim-
Well, as you know, Pa. in winter is where Hell froze over. I really
respect the guys who fly for FedEx!
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:planejim@bellsouth.net"Jim Hoak
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill Naumuk I am originally from Pa ( been in Ga for 43 years ) and live
near Bill of Ga. I've ssen him sweat in his shop and hangar. In the
summer Ga IS HELL!
do not archive
Jim Hoak - also of GA
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:naumuk@alltel.net"Bill Naumuk
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 5:53 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Bill-
Closer to warm climes sounds closer to Hell to me.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: HYPERLINK "mailto:JAPhillipsGA@aol.com"JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
"mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com"zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Snow Blind Curse
Yankee Friends, it tain't that we men of the South just don't know what
it's like to live in the frozen hell of the north. We do ! It's just
that we are also smart enough not to choose to live there. Course, GOD
blessing us to been born down here abouts, helped out some too. Best
wishes, Bill of Georgia
do not archive
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/Navigator?Zenith-List
"http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com
"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribu
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
For those of us that aren't very electron literate, what size resister is
"very large"? And please keep us updated on the inductive coupling!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Lykowski" <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski
> <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
>
> We don't plan on coming out with a probe, he did misquote a little.
>
> For those who don't know what this is about..
> WW's feeling is that directly coupling the tach input onto the coil is a
> bad idea that could cause the engine to stop, if the coil shorted to
> ground.
>
> Our electrical engineers suggest attaching a very large resistor between
> the Dynon and the coil, attached directly to the coil.
> This would work, and should by all means be safe to fly. The only
> possibility of fault is if the reisistor shorts which is highly unlikely.
> Even if the wires break, the resistor will still not allow enough current
> to flow to stop the engine.
>
> But, the research I am doing (since I am the one with the Corvair engine)
> is looking in to inductive coupling off of a spark plug wire.
> The Dynon requires very very little current to drive the tach, in the
> millivolts if I remember correctly.
> I am planning on using an Op amp to amplify the inductive signal picked up
> off the wires to the correct voltage that I need. Since the Dynon is just
> looking for a square wave it should be a pretty straight forward circuit.
>
> Dan Lykowski
> Dynon Avionics
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 2:33:37 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: It finally happened!
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
>
> Glad to have you in the forum and sorry to hijack the thread but William
> Wynne praised the Dynon products and mentioned that you guys might be
> coming out with a probe kit for his Corvair engine. Any word on the status
> of that.
>
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| Subject: | Re: run-on engine? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jim and Lucy <jpollard@ciaccess.com>
Hi Peter
Could you shut the fuel off and stall the engine until you find
out what the runon is caused by. There may be less shaking
of the engine using this method.
A bad helicoil job to fix a messed up spark plug thread can cause this.
Also dirty spark plugs.
Jim Pollard
Merlin Ont
At 06:30 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
>
>Hi,
>Any ideas on solutions for a run-on engine issue?
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| Subject: | Re: Ba De Ba De Ba De Ba De Dats all folks |
Then I guess you should learn what the delete key looks like on you
keyboard. I am amazed at the level of stupidity that runs rampant on this list.
And
if you don't like what I said I really don't give a shit. Some people wanted
the damn PICS so I sent them. The subject clearly let everyone know that they
contained PICS and if you didn't want to open them you should have deleted
them smart ass.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: MSD GMR PIckup |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: N5SL <nfivesl@yahoo.com>
Craig:
This is very interesting. I read the literature and
it looks to me that the output signal is like a
signal like you would have from a gear-tooth pickup.
Like a pulse-signal, not 12V. This is GOOD because
I'm using a gear-tooth sensor that doesn't seem to be
working. My tachometer needs this type of pulse.
The literature says you hook the GMR pickup to a 12V
trigger source and it converts it to a pulse-signal.
The question I have is:
With points and a coil, where do you clip the GMR
pickup? The wire from the coil is grouded through a
condensor. The + wire is a steady 12V from the
battery. Is there a 12V signal somewhere in this
circuit? Does the wire plugged into the negative
terminal of the coil to the Points have a 12V signal
when the coil fires?
Am I out of luck with this device for a coil/points
system?
Thanks,
Scott Laughlin
Getting ready for first engine start.
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Why not use the MSD GMR pick-up? Electrically
> isolated and easier to use
> than a gear tooth pick-up.
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| Subject: | Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its use.
The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message to download
before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file attached,
that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
BTW I don't have dialup, but when I saw all the emails with files attached, I knew someone would scream. Frankly, I don't blame them either. If you have a bunch of pictures or files to send, the considerate way would be to use the Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html . The down side to using Photo Share is that it takes a couple of days for Matt to approve them and send out the link to the pics. Anyone who is interested can go look at them. Somehow that seems much better than everyone throwing rocks at each other.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
Waiting and waiting and waiting for my engine
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| Subject: | Work Table Height |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Larry,
My experience was that I wanted the table high for the tail and wings, but
much lower when working on the fuselage. My solution was to use the same
table top resting on saw horses. I simply made two sets of sawhorses at the
two different heights. I did clamp the table top to the saw horses so it
wouldn't move. I got rid of the table top, but I'm still using the saw
horses. My nearly finished canopy is sitting on the high ones right now.
The important thing about the table top is that it must be flat. Level is
good too, but I didn't go crazy worrying about partial degrees.
Jeff Davidson
>
> I must finally level my work table and get it off of the
> sawhorses.
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| Subject: | Re: IO-360 Fuel Tanks |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tom" <tomp@cogeco.ca>
With my IO-360 XP I emailed Teledyne Mattituck about that and this engine doesn't
use a return line. I was confused by the extra fitting on the fuel distributor
and he told me that it was for a fuel pressure sender. It probably would
be a different story with a different type of engine or injection system.
Tom CH801 90%
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62929#62929
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| Subject: | Re: MSD GMR PIckup |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
It goes on the wire between the points and the coil. The condenser doesn't
actually ground that lead. Go by figure two in the MSD documentation. You do
have an inductive ignition system, you just don't have a coil per cylinder.
Since you are using William Wynne's dual-points/dual-coil ignition on your
Corvair you will have to clip the sensor to the main ignition coil's lead
(unless you are planning to run both coils at the same time).
Given the many different systems the docs show the sensor hooked up to I
suspect it is fairly forgiving. I can't make out what type of round tach you
are using from the photos on your web site. What kind of signal does it
want? Do you have an optical tach to check it with and get the multiplier
set right?
You are welcome to borrow mine indefinitely - I won't be needing it any time
soon. Send me your mailing or FedEx/UPS address off-line.
-- Craig
craig "at" craigandjean "dot" com
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| Subject: | Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
Ok...I don't know how the important part of my message got stripped from the original.
Let's try this again:
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its use.
The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message to download
before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file attached,
that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
BTW I don't have dialup, but when I saw all the emails with files attached, I knew someone would scream. Frankly, I don't blame them either. If you have a bunch of pictures or files to send, the considerate way would be to use the Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/zenith-list.html . The down side to using Photo Share is that it takes a couple of days for Matt to approve them and send out the link to the pics. Anyone who is interested can go look at them. Somehow that seems much better than everyone throwing rocks at each other.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
Waiting and waiting and waiting for my engine
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Stout
Sent: 9/20/2006 10:40:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Photo Share / Rock Throwing
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its use.
The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message to download
before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file attached,
that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
Paul,
Take a look at this URL on the JabiruUSA web site:
http://www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf.htm . There you will find links that
amount to an installation "photo guide" so that you can see what the
installation process looks like. The time it takes varies a lot. For me,
with little experience, it took 4-5 weekends and the help of a technical
counselor. Putting together the aeroquip fittings was the hardest thing for
me. I believe that I read recently that someone else did it in a weekend at
Michael's place on the west coast.
Jeff Davidson
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Pete,
Please let me ask a couple of quick questions. Perhaps other list
users have the same ones . . .
1. Do you think the course is required for anyone planning to use a
Jabiru 3300? Are the documents included with the engine and/or FWF
kit sufficient for a loner to do the job without the seminar?
2. How much time should a builder plan for the actual installation
in his own plane? Is this task something that takes hours? days?
weeks? months?
Thanks,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 03:19 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Pete Krotje" <pete@usjabiru.com>
>
>Hello All,
>
>Jabiru USA will host a Zenith 601 / 701 installation seminar at our
location
>in Shelbyville, Tennessee. The seminar will take place Oct 20 - 22, 2006
>and run from noon Friday the 20th thru noon Sunday the 22nd.
>
>The seminar will be presented by Mark Stauffer who manages Jabiru USA's
>builder assist program. Mark is a 601 builder and he will use his fuselage
>and firewall forward kit to demonstrate the installation procedure.
>
>The seminar includes lunch on Friday and Saturday. Cost for the seminar is
>$175.00 and class size will be limited to 10.
>
>Check the Jabiru USA web site on Monday for more details, the seminar
>syllabus, and class schedule. A registration form will be on line as well.
>
>Please call Jabiru USA at 931-680-2800 if you need more info but wait until
>everything is posted next Monday.
>
>Pete Krotje
>Jabiru USA Sport Aircraft, LLC
>www.usjabiru.com
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
It did it again. I guess Matt has completely suspended use of the foto s/hare (misspelled
on purpose), so my comments are irrelevant anyway. He must have some
sort of sniffer that looks for comments about it and cuts them out. I had a
whole paragraph removed.
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Stout
Sent: 9/20/2006 10:56:29 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Photo Share / Rock Throwing
Ok...I don't know how the important part of my message got stripped from the original.
Let's try this again:
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its use.
The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message to download
before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file attached,
that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
Randy Stout
San Antonio, TX
n282rs"at"earthlink.net
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
Waiting and waiting and waiting for my engine
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Stout
Sent: 9/20/2006 10:40:13 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Photo Share / Rock Throwing
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its use.
The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message to download
before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file attached,
that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Photo Share / Rock Throwing |
Randy
I understand that but if you see a file beginning to be downloaded even
after you were tricked into opening a message that clearly stated in the subject
line as a photo then I am truly sorry. I don't know why anyone would sit and
wait for a photo to be downloaded for 40 min. and then bitch about it, unless
that was the whole intent.
I think everyone on this list is very familiar with the Delete key and its
use. The problem is that most people with dialup have to wait for the message
to download before they can hit the delete key. If there is a large file
attached, that might mean waiting for 40 minutes.
Now put the rocks down and get back to building.
do not archive
Randy Stout
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| Subject: | Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the response. I gather the engine installation is doable
in something between a few days and a few weeks.
Paul
At 08:52 PM 9/20/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jeff " <jeffrey_davidson@earthlink.net>
>
>Paul,
> Take a look at this URL on the JabiruUSA web site:
>http://www.usjabiru.com/Zenith%20fwf.htm . There you will find links that
>amount to an installation "photo guide" so that you can see what the
>installation process looks like. The time it takes varies a lot. For me,
>with little experience, it took 4-5 weekends and the help of a technical
>counselor. Putting together the aeroquip fittings was the hardest thing for
>me. I believe that I read recently that someone else did it in a weekend at
>Michael's place on the west coast.
>
>Jeff Davidson
> Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
>Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 7:24 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
>
>Hi Pete,
>
>Please let me ask a couple of quick questions. Perhaps other list
>users have the same ones . . .
>
>1. Do you think the course is required for anyone planning to use a
>Jabiru 3300? Are the documents included with the engine and/or FWF
>kit sufficient for a loner to do the job without the seminar?
>
>2. How much time should a builder plan for the actual installation
>in his own plane? Is this task something that takes hours? days?
>weeks? months?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul
>XL fuselage
>do not archive
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| Subject: | Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
>> I believe that I read recently that someone else did it in a weekend at
Michael's place on the west coast.
Yes, Jim McCormick of Jabiru Pacific ran a installation seminar at Quality
Sport Planes the weekend of September 8th. The engine was uncrated Friday
morning and spun the prop around 3 PM on Sunday.
If you are buying one of these engines you should really try to attend an
installation seminar.
I've attached some (very small) pictures.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Zenith 601 / Jabiru 3300 Installation Seminar |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>> Putting together the aeroquip fittings was the hardest thing for me.
These help if you want to spend the money:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/koultool.php, AS&S part number
12-01061, $73.95
http://www.koultools.com/ for a video of them in action.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: kinks in hoses? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Charles D" <charlesd1@telkomsa.net>
Hi Peter & all,
The best I've found is to get a suitable spring wound by a spring
manufacturer to snugly fit the O.D. of the pipe - not too hard to do
yourself with some 2mm diameter spring steel wire on a former (broom stick
handle ? )
Cheers, Charles Davis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chapman" <pchapman@ionsys.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:38 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: kinks in hoses?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com>
>
> Any ideas on how to stop hoses from kinking?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Work Table Height |
Yes, check your own working position (ergonomic?), Your back can complain.
We all spend lots of hours working, sometimes we forget how long we are there.
More than a couple of nights we got surprised by the Sun raising in the early
morning...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
Gig Giacona <wr.giacona@cox.net> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona"
Before you go cutting off legs of your table keep in mind that by the time you
get to putting the upper rear skin on you will probably have it off the table
and on saw horses.
The most important thing about the table height is that it needs to fit you. You
are going to spend a lot of hours working on it.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=62846#62846
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| Subject: | aeroquip fittings |
I'm at this stage now. How does one put these things together if I don't choose
to buy that tool?
Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote: --> Zenith-List message posted by:
"Craig Payne"
>> Putting together the aeroquip fittings was the hardest thing for me.
These help if you want to spend the money:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/koultool.php, AS&S part number
12-01061, $73.95
http://www.koultools.com/ for a video of them in action.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: It finally happened! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Craig,
That is exactly what I was looking for. I pick one
up and give it a shot. I'll let everyone know what I
find.
Oh.. And I know about using a zener. (I'm a software
guy with just enough EE to be dangerous ;) ) But, if
this pickup that Craig pointed out works, I won't have
to do anything other than post a link. Thanks for the
info guys.
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
--- Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> Why not use the MSD GMR pick-up? Electrically
> isolated and easier to use
> than a gear tooth pick-up.
>
> "Convert tachometer signals without cutting or
> splicing. These MSD tach
> signal GMR pickups simply attach, with no splicing
> or cutting, to a
> current-carrying wire, and turn that information
> into a 12 V rpm signal.
> That signal can then be used to activate a shift
> light, rpm activation
> switch, or tachometer."
>
> www.msdignition.com/2006/06-22.htm
>
> Part number MSD-8918 at www.summitracing.com
>
> -- Craig
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: run-on engine? |
Hello Peter,
Here is a first hand comment, has worked for all the 912 ans 912S engines in
our Club for years, even before the "cluch" in the reduction.
Side note: Do you refer as run-on what is also known as "Dieseling" (engine
continues running with the switch off)?
We are located at 5,000 ft ASL and hot in summer.
We have the engines (912 and 912S) set to idle at 2,000 rpm. to shut down the
engine, we use this simple rutine:
Once the engine is in idle ready to shut down, we rev it up to 3,500 and at the
same time we "off" the key and pull the gas to idle. The engine normal shaking
is close to cero. Is important to practice the timing. Soon will be a natural
procedure.
Keeping the engine tune up (timing and good plugs @ 25 or most 50 hrs), will
not "Diesel" when shut down.
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
701 912S.
Peter Chapman <pchapman@ionsys.com> wrote:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Peter Chapman
Hi,
Any ideas on solutions for a run-on engine issue?
This is for a 912 engine, usually running on 91 Mogas, that tended
to run some seconds after shutdown, during operations this summer.
The run-on is intermittent so it really shakes the engine and is
clearly not a good thing.
I've only seen a little bit in the archives about the issue.
Topics that had come up, for different engine types:
- too hot
- combustion deposits (hot spots)
- poor fuel quality, or old fuel
- timing too advanced
- carbs need cleaning, eg, dirt under needle.
Ways to deal with it were suggested:
- reduce idle speed
- idle longer before shutoff to cool engine
- use choke on shutdown (too little air for it to run)
- ignition off, throttle wide open (too much air for it to run)
Peter Chapman
Toronto, ON 601 HDS / 912 / C-GZDC
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| Subject: | aeroquip fittings |
>> How does one put these things together if I don't choose to buy that
tool?
Carefully :-)
The pain is that after you cut the lines the metal strands that make up the
jacket can fray. So when you go to insert the hose into the fitting's
nut/collar the strands don't want to go inside. All the Koul Tools' kit does
is create a funnel that directs the hose and jacket into the fitting.
Two things help assembly:
- wrap the hose in tape and cut the hose in the middle of the tape to
prevent the jacket from fraying in the first place. Use an abrasive cut-off
wheel to make the cut.
- if you do have loose strands, help them into the fitting's collar with a
small flat screwdriver. Work your way around the collar, gently pushing in a
few strands at a time before you seat the hose the entire way.
Here is a page that gives a tutorial:
http://www.goodvibesracing.com/XRP%20Hose%20Assembly.htm
-- Craig
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