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1. 01:11 AM - Re: Forward Access skin. (T. Graziano)
2. 01:38 AM - Re: unbelievable! (noel anderson)
3. 03:38 AM - Re: unbelievable! (Jari Kaija)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: 701 POH (Joe and Joan)
5. 05:19 AM - Re: Jeff Small's comments (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
6. 05:20 AM - Re: Auxillary fuel pump (4rcsimmons@comcast.net (Rich Simmons))
7. 05:38 AM - Re: unbelievable! (TxDave)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: 701 POH (Juan Vega)
9. 06:19 AM - Re: Wing walk tread strip (Al Young)
10. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: unbelievable! (Noel Loveys)
11. 06:20 AM - Pilot Test Game (Bob Miller)
12. 06:22 AM - Re: unbelievable! (Noel Loveys)
13. 06:23 AM - Re: unbelievable! (Noel Loveys)
14. 07:05 AM - Need engine rpm pickup for Lycoming 360 (Jay Herron)
15. 07:08 AM - Re: Wing walk tread strip (Al Young)
16. 07:26 AM - Re: Re: unbelievable! (Dave Austin)
17. 07:34 AM - Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (Keith Ashcraft)
18. 07:45 AM - Welding fuel tanks (Wade Jones)
19. 08:27 AM - Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (PipercubDream@AOL.COM)
20. 08:37 AM - Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (DaveG601XL)
21. 09:00 AM - Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (Gig Giacona)
22. 09:32 AM - Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (steveadams)
23. 09:34 AM - Re: unbelievable! (JOHN STARN)
24. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: unbelievable! fence (Big Gee)
25. 11:25 AM - Re: Welding fuel tanks (Paul Mulwitz)
26. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: unbelievable! fence (Elwood140@aol.com)
27. 01:05 PM - Re: Welding fuel tanks (LarryMcFarland)
28. 01:53 PM - Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (Christian Tremblay)
29. 02:05 PM - Tail wheels (Bob)
30. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: unbelievable! fence (Big Gee)
31. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (Dennis Shoup)
32. 02:38 PM - vg's (Joe and Joan)
33. 03:23 PM - Re: Welding fuel tanks (Wade Jones)
34. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane (Christian Tremblay)
35. 03:57 PM - Re: Welding fuel tanks (Aaron Gustafson)
36. 04:19 PM - forward skin fastener (john butterfield)
37. 04:29 PM - The book (Bill Naumuk)
38. 05:20 PM - Kitplanes Directory - January 2007 issue. (Paul Mulwitz)
39. 05:31 PM - Re: Auxillary fuel pump (David X)
40. 06:05 PM - Re: The book (David Downey)
41. 06:29 PM - Re: Welding fuel tanks (Brandon Tucker)
42. 06:35 PM - Re: The book (Robin Bellach)
43. 06:53 PM - Re: vg's (NYTerminat@aol.com)
44. 07:03 PM - Re: Zenith-List Digest: Do instruments need shock-mounting? (John M. Goodings)
45. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Welding fuel tanks (Wade Jones)
46. 08:54 PM - Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? (Rich)
47. 09:34 PM - Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? (Dave Ruddiman)
48. 10:00 PM - Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? (Gary Gower)
49. 10:14 PM - Re: Re: unbelievable! (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | Re: Forward Access skin. |
One thing I would highly recommend is making the top forward skin
removable. With the skin removed you have really good access to
everything in the fwd area, not just wiring and instruments, but also
your rudder peddles, brakes, etc. I have removal of the top skin
required for my annual conditional inspection, just to check the area
and it also makes easy removal of the rudder cable cover I installed
over the rudder cables.
Like Mr. McFarland, I have removed the top skin at least six times to do
some work, inspection. add wiring, etc.
I installed my top skin using #6 riv-nuts, loctited before installation.
I use 6-32 SS screws to hold the skin on.
I know that nut-plates are ideal solution, but I was just too lazy at
the time. So far they have worked great with no problems. Mr.
McFarlands J-nuts is also a solution.
I installed "rubber" tubing on the top skin aft sharp edge. You can
slit the tubing and "glue" it to the skin.
I bought yellow tubing to match my yellow paint job and it can be seen
at http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/6-photo79.html. NOTE: If you have
light paint, you should paint the "glare" shield area of the top skin
under the canopy. I originally did not, but it was distracting and have
since painted it flat gray. Tubing was procured a the Lowes hardware
store (aircraft parts dept of course).
also used 1 inch pipe insulation material to cover the aft top skin
leading edge at the bow. It is easy on the hand when boarding the
airplane.
Tony Graziano
601XL/Jab3300 N493TG 179 hrs
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Re: Forward Skin Access
From: LarryMcFarland (larry@macsmachine.com)
Date: Mon Dec 04 - 5:10 PM
Juan,
You needn't use nut plates for such a panel. J-nuts that work with 6-32
screws can be used with considerable confidence. They are much cheaper
and don't let go. I've got them on my removable forward top skin and
I've had the top off probably a dozen times in two years and 85 hours of
flying my 601. On the leading edge overhanging the panel, I bent a
piece of 1/2-inch aluminum tube and used a Dremel cutter to cut a slit
on the edge and used 4 bent tabs to secure it with the same screws that
hold the forward top skin.
It's a much easier job, as you use almost 90 screws, but very secure and
the screws blend into the rivet heads.
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
Hi team.
I find this list very informative, sometimes amusing, but never
dull!!! There is obviously a wide social and interlectual spread of
members, a lot cops, (ex cops) Drill Sargents (ex milatary types, who
can not let go) public servants, professional nit pickers etc. who can
not live thire lives with out a rule book. (there is a place for some
rules) But as some one wrote " Rules are for the guidance of wise men,
for fools to blindly follow" Lighten up Guys, this is suppose to be
fun, fun ,fun!!!!
Fly Safe Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: Big Gee
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
AfterFxllc---- I'll consider the source--- but I think Jeff probable
has been flying his airplane for some time now----- I could be wrong
about that, but I agree with Jeff 100%. This list is very abused.
Fritz
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message ----
From: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" <Afterfxllc@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 3:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
WTF this list has got to be the most childish list Matt works with. I
have never seen so many cry babies congregate in one area of the
Internet and I don't really care who the hell gets pissed about it.
You don't want to see useless emails well what the hell was yours?
Why don't you go build something and leave the people that want to
just post a reply alone you jerk off?
This list sickens me anymore.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:28 PM
To: zenith-list
Subject: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
The zenith-list digest received this a.m. for 12/04/06 was 76
messages long and contained 160KB.
The folks who don't know/use/care about 'do not archive' were at it
again as well as those who think everything they write is humorous and
MUST be shared with the world.
When received in my mailbox the digest contains a blue hyperlink for
each poster. I'm sure there's a name for that item but being less than
knowledgeable about computer/e-mail programs I fail to know it. When
clicked on that link opens an e-mail message board that allows direct
correspondence with the poster. If you need to ask for info or respond
to an offer of pics/help, why not respond directly to the poster.
Wouldn't this make the list less encumbered with "I'd like to see that
too," or "I plan on doing it that way," or my favorite, "What's the wx
at your place?"
Please ask yourself if your post is relevant to the hundreds of
others on this list - if it's not then send it off-list to the person
directly. The list was never meant to be a chat-list.
No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're so
arrogant in this country.
As I've been on this list since late '98 maybe I'm old-fashioned and
need to leave, but the lack of civility lately is discouraging.
Regards Jeff Small
www.homebuilthelp.comhttp://
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
zodiacjeff(at)msn.com wrote:
>
>
> No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're so arrogant in this
country.
>
> Regards Jeff Small
>
>
I think and I'm very sure, that you don't really want to know, what people around
the world think about USA and it's citizens... It's not bed-time readable text
at all. Sad but true.
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79770#79770
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Juan and all others, Thank you for your help. The POH is really
appreciated. Much better than the one I made for myself. 60hrs on 701 912S
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Joe from FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>
> JOe
> Go to Zenithair.com enter the 601site, then on upper right is builder's
> corner. enter that after getter pass word. in the 601xl section of
> builder's corner is the 601 POH in thenotices to builders section.
>
> Juan
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Joe and Joan <jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>Sent: Dec 5, 2006 9:27 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>
>>
>>Juan, I could not find the POH on the zenith aircraft company list. I do
>>not
>>have their DVD. Do I need to buy it to get a POH. DO NOT ARCHIVE. Would
>>appreciate more info on how to get a copy.
>>One of the dudes from FL. Flying CH 701 912S
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dudes,
>>> if you go on line or get a DVD disk from zenith, they have a copy of the
>>> Chech rotax powered POH. you can use that as a template then inject
>>> usefull tidbits of info in your own to customize it. Example" here in
>>> florida I put in the POH Pretake off check list "prior to entering
>>> active
>>> runway, make certain no Alligators in eccess of ten feet in length are
>>> on
>>> runway", once that is checked I then go to "confirm Coyotes are off the
>>> taxiway prior to taxiing to active". True Story to both.
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>From: nyterminat@aol.com
>>>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 11:16 AM
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>
>>>>Larry,
>>>>
>>>>You are required to have one. Pilot Operating Handbok
>>>>
>>>>Bob Spudis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: lrm@skyhawg.com
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:02 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may
>>>>already have one.
>>>>
>>>>Larry, www.skyhawg.com
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Tebenkof@aol.com
>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM
>>>>Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the
>>>>POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up
>>>>the
>>>>fact that the paper work is not.
>>>>
>>>>Jim Greenough
>>>>701 / 99.5321% complete
>>>>in Portland OR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
>>>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Date: 11/28/2006
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff Small's comments |
Dear List,
Though I comment little I have learned a good bit and have answered some of the
questions I toss within myself by reading others comments on issues.
Thanks for exposing your concersations to the list. I ahve even asked a couple
myself!
As for as the non-601XL information, it reminds me of an old saying;
All work and no play makes things extrmemy boring. Humor is good for the soul and
it's even funnier watching the crusty either squirm or crack a smile.
SHOULDIARCHINVEORNOTARCHIVETHAT IS THE QUESTION
Ahhh- Don not archive
Love the list and they will get a contribution from me. I am just poor at the moment
for the holiday cheer.
Rich Simmons
601XL Working in the garage and Flying in my head!!
Tail Section Done
L/H Wing Done
R/H Wing 80%
Still dreamin about the rest! 2 years left on the schedule
--
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
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<DIV>Dear List,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Though I comment little I have learned a good bit and have answered some of
the questions I toss within myself by reading others comments on issues.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for exposing your concersations to the list. I ahve even asked a couple
myself!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for as the non-601XL information, it reminds me of an old saying;</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>All work and no play makes things extrmemy boring. Humor is good for the soul
and it's even funnier watching the crusty either squirm or crack a smile.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SHOULDIARCHINVEORNOTARCHIVETHAT IS THE QUESTION </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ahhh- Don not archive</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Love the list and they will get a contribution from me. I am just poor at
the moment for the holiday cheer.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Rich Simmons</DIV>
<DIV>601XL Working in the garage and Flying in my head!!</DIV>
<DIV>Tail Section Done</DIV>
<DIV>L/H Wing Done</DIV>
<DIV>R/H Wing 80%</DIV>
<DIV>Still dreamin about the rest! 2 years left on the schedule</DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature>--<BR>Thanks, <BR>Rich Simmons</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: Auxillary fuel pump |
List,
After all of the comments about Aux. fuel pumps and placment, one gentlmen remnminded
me that presurizing the gascolator may not tbe the best of ideas.
Think out the fuel systems and compare them to Certifified aircraft.
Then, live with your decisions.
--
Thanks,
Rich Simmons
<html><body>
<DIV>List,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>After all of the comments about Aux. fuel pumps and placment, one gentlmen
remnminded me that presurizing the gascolator may not tbe the best of ideas.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Think out the fuel systems and compare them to Certifified aircraft.</DIV>
<DIV>Then, live with your decisions.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV class=signature id=signature>--<BR>Thanks, <BR>Rich Simmons</DIV>
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
I think and I am very sure that millions of people from all over the world immigrate
to the USA. You surely don't see people in the USA building rafts and risking
their lives to get out. Most of those who criticize this country are either
ignorant or jealous. Go to a government website and read some immigration
statistics for a nice bed-time story. And, by the way, Jari, a typical American
citizen is white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Arab, etc. That's not arrogance,
"lurkers around the world"...that's just reality.
do not archive
Dave Clay
BUILDING a 601XL in central Texas
Read this topic online here:
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Joe,
just checking to make sure you found the POH on the Zenithair website.
Will I see you at Seabring?
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe and Joan <jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2006 7:56 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>
>
>Juan and all others, Thank you for your help. The POH is really
>appreciated. Much better than the one I made for myself. 60hrs on 701 912S
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
> Joe from FL
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:14 AM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>
>>
>> JOe
>> Go to Zenithair.com enter the 601site, then on upper right is builder's
>> corner. enter that after getter pass word. in the 601xl section of
>> builder's corner is the 601 POH in thenotices to builders section.
>>
>> Juan
>>
>> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Joe and Joan <jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM>
>>>Sent: Dec 5, 2006 9:27 AM
>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>
>>>
>>>Juan, I could not find the POH on the zenith aircraft company list. I do
>>>not
>>>have their DVD. Do I need to buy it to get a POH. DO NOT ARCHIVE. Would
>>>appreciate more info on how to get a copy.
>>>One of the dudes from FL. Flying CH 701 912S
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Juan Vega" <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
>>>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 1:54 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dudes,
>>>> if you go on line or get a DVD disk from zenith, they have a copy of the
>>>> Chech rotax powered POH. you can use that as a template then inject
>>>> usefull tidbits of info in your own to customize it. Example" here in
>>>> florida I put in the POH Pretake off check list "prior to entering
>>>> active
>>>> runway, make certain no Alligators in eccess of ten feet in length are
>>>> on
>>>> runway", once that is checked I then go to "confirm Coyotes are off the
>>>> taxiway prior to taxiing to active". True Story to both.
>>>>
>>>> Juan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: nyterminat@aol.com
>>>>>Sent: Dec 4, 2006 11:16 AM
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry,
>>>>>
>>>>>You are required to have one. Pilot Operating Handbok
>>>>>
>>>>>Bob Spudis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: lrm@skyhawg.com
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Sent: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 10:02 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ok, I'm having a brain fart. What's a POH? I may want one or I may
>>>>>already have one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Larry, www.skyhawg.com
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: Tebenkof@aol.com
>>>>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>>>>>Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:48 PM
>>>>>Subject: Zenith-List: 701 POH
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Any kind soul out there who can steer me to an appropriate model for the
>>>>>POH for my 701? The building work is just about done. I just woke up
>>>>>the
>>>>>fact that the paper work is not.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim Greenough
>>>>>701 / 99.5321% complete
>>>>>in Portland OR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>>href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>>href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com
>>>>>href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>>href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Date: 11/28/2006
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk tread strip |
Bill- thanks much. I had forgotten that I had asked you. I wanted to
compair yours to mine. I've got a problem with my canopy fit that I
cannot figure out. also, when I re-installed the wings, suddenly my
flaps wouldn't completely retract. I haven't had time to get into
either problem very deep as my wife is requiring my full attention. I
will get over to the hanger tomorrow and compair. Thanks again Bill.
Regards, Al
PS- I've attached a pic of the new paint job.
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing walk tread strip
Al, I lost your address and was waiting for you to post again to
answer your question. The distance from the ground to the rear tie down
loop is 550 mm. Or at least that it how high mine is. Hope your building
is progressing and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
Don't feel too bad about it... You're mostly in fine company.
The Pharaohs of Egypt ( built the pyramids and civilized most of north
Africa)
Ancient Greece ( the idea of democracy )
Alexander the Great (United most of the known world)
The Roman Empire (United most of the known world)
The Chin Dynasty (China)
Great Britain
Many more.....
All of the above have changed history, arguably for the better.
All have been considered the greatest countries of their times.
All were not afraid to fight for what they thought was right.
All were from time to time wrong ( can't win 'em all )
All were disliked by their contemporaries.
P.S. For a small fee I can be bribed to say something really good!!! :-)
Noel
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Jari Kaija
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:07 AM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: unbelievable!
>
>
> <jari.kaija@pp.inet.fi>
>
>
> zodiacjeff(at)msn.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're
> so arrogant in this country.
> >
> > Regards Jeff Small
> >
> >
>
>
>
> I think and I'm very sure, that you don't really want to
> know, what people around the world think about USA and it's
> citizens... It's not bed-time readable text at all. Sad but true.
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Here's a crazy-making game to sharpen your situational awareness while
stuck in the shop.
"It is said"... that Air Force pilots can keep the game going for two
minutes, but 18 seconds is quite respectable.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~pontipak/redsquare.html
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601HD N722Z
Charlottesville, Virginia
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I agree
Noel
Amateur Nit picking pseudo intellectual
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of noel
anderson
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
Hi team.
I find this list very informative, sometimes amusing, but never
dull!!! There is obviously a wide social and interlectual spread of
members, a lot cops, (ex cops) Drill Sargents (ex milatary types, who
can
not let go) public servants, professional nit pickers etc. who can not
live
thire lives with out a rule book. (there is a place for some rules) But
as
some one wrote " Rules are for the guidance of wise men, for fools to
blindly follow" Lighten up Guys, this is suppose to be fun, fun
,fun!!!!
Fly Safe Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: Big Gee <mailto:taffy0687@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
AfterFxllc---- I'll consider the source--- but I think Jeff probable has
been flying his airplane for some time now----- I could be wrong about
that,
but I agree with Jeff 100%. This list is very abused.
Fritz
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message ----
From: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" <Afterfxllc@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 3:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
WTF this list has got to be the most childish list Matt works with. I
have
never seen so many cry babies congregate in one area of the Internet and
I
don't really care who the hell gets pissed about it.
You don't want to see useless emails well what the hell was yours?
Why don't you go build something and leave the people that want to just
post
a reply alone you jerk off?
This list sickens me anymore.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
The zenith-list digest received this a.m. for 12/04/06 was 76 messages
long
and contained 160KB.
The folks who don't know/use/care about 'do not archive' were at it
again as
well as those who think everything they write is humorous and MUST be
shared
with the world.
When received in my mailbox the digest contains a blue hyperlink for
each
poster. I'm sure there's a name for that item but being less than
knowledgeable about computer/e-mail programs I fail to know it. When
clicked on that link opens an e-mail message board that allows direct
correspondence with the poster. If you need to ask for info or respond
to
an offer of pics/help, why not respond directly to the poster. Wouldn't
this make the list less encumbered with "I'd like to see that too," or
"I
plan on doing it that way," or my favorite, "What's the wx at your
place?"
Please ask yourself if your post is relevant to the hundreds of others
on
this list - if it's not then send it off-list to the person directly.
The
list was never meant to be a chat-list.
No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're so arrogant
in
this country.
As I've been on this list since late '98 maybe I'm old-fashioned and
need to
leave, but the lack of civility lately is discouraging.
Regards Jeff Small
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<http://www.kitlog.com/> http://
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Forgot to say do not archive
sorry
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of noel
anderson
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
Hi team.
I find this list very informative, sometimes amusing, but never
dull!!! There is obviously a wide social and interlectual spread of
members, a lot cops, (ex cops) Drill Sargents (ex milatary types, who
can
not let go) public servants, professional nit pickers etc. who can not
live
thire lives with out a rule book. (there is a place for some rules) But
as
some one wrote " Rules are for the guidance of wise men, for fools to
blindly follow" Lighten up Guys, this is suppose to be fun, fun
,fun!!!!
Fly Safe Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: Big Gee <mailto:taffy0687@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
AfterFxllc---- I'll consider the source--- but I think Jeff probable has
been flying his airplane for some time now----- I could be wrong about
that,
but I agree with Jeff 100%. This list is very abused.
Fritz
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message ----
From: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" <Afterfxllc@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 3:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
WTF this list has got to be the most childish list Matt works with. I
have
never seen so many cry babies congregate in one area of the Internet and
I
don't really care who the hell gets pissed about it.
You don't want to see useless emails well what the hell was yours?
Why don't you go build something and leave the people that want to just
post
a reply alone you jerk off?
This list sickens me anymore.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
The zenith-list digest received this a.m. for 12/04/06 was 76 messages
long
and contained 160KB.
The folks who don't know/use/care about 'do not archive' were at it
again as
well as those who think everything they write is humorous and MUST be
shared
with the world.
When received in my mailbox the digest contains a blue hyperlink for
each
poster. I'm sure there's a name for that item but being less than
knowledgeable about computer/e-mail programs I fail to know it. When
clicked on that link opens an e-mail message board that allows direct
correspondence with the poster. If you need to ask for info or respond
to
an offer of pics/help, why not respond directly to the poster. Wouldn't
this make the list less encumbered with "I'd like to see that too," or
"I
plan on doing it that way," or my favorite, "What's the wx at your
place?"
Please ask yourself if your post is relevant to the hundreds of others
on
this list - if it's not then send it off-list to the person directly.
The
list was never meant to be a chat-list.
No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're so arrogant
in
this country.
As I've been on this list since late '98 maybe I'm old-fashioned and
need to
leave, but the lack of civility lately is discouraging.
Regards Jeff Small
<http: www.buildersbooks.com ? tare Enterprises> www.homebuilthelp.com
<http://www.kitlog.com/> http://
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| Subject: | Need engine rpm pickup for Lycoming 360 |
I am finally ready to start hooking up wires on my 801 with Lycoming O-360a1a.
I have a Aveo E-1 and MaxFlight on my panel and need an electronic RPM pickup
for the Lycoming. My ultralight (Quicksilver GT400) was very simple to wire up
as it had a pulse wire from the electronic ignition already. No electronic ignition
on this old Lycoming (Bendix mags). Any suggestions?
Jay Herron
801 95% complete
Salem, OH
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| Subject: | Re: Wing walk tread strip |
My apologies to the list- Thought this was going straight to Bill. Al
Young
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----- Original Message -----
From: Al Young
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:08 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing walk tread strip
Bill- thanks much. I had forgotten that I had asked you. I wanted
to compair yours to mine. I've got a problem with my canopy fit that I
cannot figure out. also, when I re-installed the wings, suddenly my
flaps wouldn't completely retract. I haven't had time to get into
either problem very deep as my wife is requiring my full attention. I
will get over to the hanger tomorrow and compair. Thanks again Bill.
Regards, Al
PS- I've attached a pic of the new paint job.
----- Original Message -----
From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Wing walk tread strip
Al, I lost your address and was waiting for you to post again to
answer your question. The distance from the ground to the rear tie down
loop is 550 mm. Or at least that it how high mine is. Hope your building
is progressing and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
Noel, and others, could we just drop it..
Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
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| Subject: | Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
All, I received the Jan 2007 of Kitplanes and browsed through the "plans
built planes". I noticed that Zenith had 3 different plans advertised,
CH701
CH601HD
CH601UL
Why do you supposed they didn't include the XL, 801, or 640?
Just curious,
Keith
N 38.9947
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Alt. 9,100'
(buzz me anytime if you are in the area)
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| Subject: | Welding fuel tanks |
Hello group ,I am getting ready to weld( I hope) my fuel tanks .My plan
is : Use .040 5052-H32 material , 1/16" pure tungsten electrode ,1/16"
5356 filler material ,cleco together ,preheat & stitch weld to control
distortion .I lay no claim to fame as an aluminum welder ,however in my
earlier live I was a certified pipe welder on several Nuclear power
plants .With some practice I may be able to regain some of my lost
skills .Can anyone the group offer any suggestions that may help me on
this plan . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
Of course all of the Zenith aircraft a great but the three plans built
aircraft are the only ones that have plans available for them, for scratch building.
The others are kit only.
Ben
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
I don't have the copy in front of me right now but look at the specs for one of
the 601's listed there. Looks like 801 specs to me. Little bit of a screw up
on the magazines part.
Dave G
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
There are going to be a lot of 601XL plans builders that are going to be really
surprised by that statement.
The 601XL is most certainly avalable as planes only.
And to answer Dave's original question. It was most likely a failure to update
their database from a previous year and it must have been one from a few years
back.
It's hard to even find mention of the UL on Zenith's website anymore.
[quote="PipercubDream(at)AOL.COM"]Of course all of the Zenith aircraft a great
but the three plans built aircraft are the only ones that have plans available
for them, for scratch building. The others are kit only.
Ben
do not archive
> [b]
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
There is also at least 1 serious CH640 scratch builder that I know of. I don't
know why it seemed so messed up in the kitplanes listing.
http://www.zodiac640.com
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
MessageThat's OK. I fit into the "a lot cops, (ex cops) Drill Sergeants
(ex military types, ex-high school coach" category (been all three) but
not to worry the "D-N-A" was imbedded in the original Jeff Small post.
I have some GREAT Christmas/snowman cartoons from the comic strip
"Calvin & Hobbs" to share BUT only for those who want a good laugh.
Contact me direct off-line & I'll send them to you. MERRY CHRISTMAS..
KABONG jhstarn@verizon.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Noel Loveys
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 6:22 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
Forgot to say do not archive
sorry
Noel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of noel
anderson
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:56 AM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
Hi team.
I find this list very informative, sometimes amusing, but
never dull!!! There is obviously a wide social and interlectual spread
of members, a lot cops, (ex cops) Drill Sargents (ex milatary types, who
can not let go) public servants, professional nit pickers etc. who can
not live thire lives with out a rule book. (there is a place for some
rules) But as some one wrote " Rules are for the guidance of wise men,
for fools to blindly follow" Lighten up Guys, this is suppose to be
fun, fun ,fun!!!!
Fly Safe Noel
----- Original Message -----
From: Big Gee
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
AfterFxllc---- I'll consider the source--- but I think Jeff
probable has been flying his airplane for some time now----- I could be
wrong about that, but I agree with Jeff 100%. This list is very
abused.
Fritz
DO NOT ARCHIVE
----- Original Message ----
From: "Afterfxllc@aol.com" <Afterfxllc@aol.com>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 3:41:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
WTF this list has got to be the most childish list Matt works
with. I have never seen so many cry babies congregate in one area of the
Internet and I don't really care who the hell gets pissed about it.
You don't want to see useless emails well what the hell was yours?
Why don't you go build something and leave the people that want to
just post a reply alone you jerk off?
This list sickens me anymore.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Small
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 3:28 PM
To: zenith-list
Subject: Zenith-List: unbelievable!
The zenith-list digest received this a.m. for 12/04/06 was 76
messages long and contained 160KB.
The folks who don't know/use/care about 'do not archive' were at
it again as well as those who think everything they write is humorous
and MUST be shared with the world.
When received in my mailbox the digest contains a blue hyperlink
for each poster. I'm sure there's a name for that item but being less
than knowledgeable about computer/e-mail programs I fail to know it.
When clicked on that link opens an e-mail message board that allows
direct correspondence with the poster. If you need to ask for info or
respond to an offer of pics/help, why not respond directly to the
poster. Wouldn't this make the list less encumbered with "I'd like to
see that too," or "I plan on doing it that way," or my favorite, "What's
the wx at your place?"
Please ask yourself if your post is relevant to the hundreds of
others on this list - if it's not then send it off-list to the person
directly. The list was never meant to be a chat-list.
No wonder some of the lurkers around the world think we're so
arrogant in this country.
As I've been on this list since late '98 maybe I'm old-fashioned
and need to leave, but the lack of civility lately is discouraging.
Regards Jeff Small
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! fence |
Jari--please spread the message of your post to our neighbors to the south-
---- SPREAD THE WORD and than maybe, just maybe there won't be so many peo
ple trying to cross our southern boarders illegally. We must live in one
hell of a bad country when we have to take our money, time, national defens
e resourses to build a fense to KEEP PEOPLE OUT.=0A=0AAmerican and proud of
it.=0A=0AFritz=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jari Kaija <jar
i.kaija@pp.inet.fi>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursday, Decem
ber 7, 2006 6:36:47 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Re: unbelievable!=0A=0A=0A--
=0Azodiacjeff(at)msn.com wrote:=0A> =0A> =0A> No wonder some of the lurker
s around the world think we're so arrogant in this country.=0A> =0A> Re
gards Jeff Small=0A> =0A> =0A=0A=0A=0AI think and I'm very sure, that you
don't really want to know, what people around the world think about USA and
it's citizens... It's not bed-time readable text at all. Sad but true.=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
Hi Wade,
Just a rumor (I don't have the urge to weld tanks myself) that there
is a special optical filter you can use while welding aluminum that
makes it easier to see the puddle. All I can recommend is you ask
you supplier about this.
Good luck,
Paul
XL fuselage
>Hello group ,I am getting ready to weld( I hope) my fuel tanks .My
>plan is : Use .040 5052-H32 material , 1/16" pure tungsten
>electrode ,1/16" 5356 filler material ,cleco together ,preheat &
>stitch weld to control distortion .I lay no claim to fame as an
>aluminum welder ,however in my earlier live I was a certified pipe
>welder on several Nuclear power plants .With some practice I may be
>able to regain some of my lost skills .Can anyone the group offer
>any suggestions that may help me on this plan . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas
>
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! fence |
Fritz, what part of cut the crap do you not understand? Go build an
airplane.
Do Not Archive
Larry Wood
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
Wade,
You're selection of materials is right on and you might look into an
electric lensed helmet if you've not already. I have a bit of history
written to a web journal Section 2 starting April 3, for TIG welding my
aircrafts tanks. I made almost all the mistakes one could, so there
might be more that would be of interest to you. Also the menu entitled
"lead edge tanks" and "header tank" have images that show a method, jigs
and process for setup welding fittings and testing the tanks, etc. See
www.macsmachine.com.
If you have specific question on any of this along the way don't
hesitate to ask.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
Wade Jones wrote:
> Hello group ,I am getting ready to weld( I hope) my fuel tanks .My
> plan is : Use .040 5052-H32 material , 1/16" pure tungsten electrode
> ,1/16" 5356 filler material ,cleco together ,preheat & stitch weld to
> control distortion .I lay no claim to fame as an aluminum welder
> ,however in my earlier live I was a certified pipe welder on several
> Nuclear power plants .With some practice I may be able to regain some
> of my lost skills .Can anyone the group offer any suggestions that may
> help me on this plan . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas
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| Subject: | Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
Hi,
The CH640 is also available for building from plan. In the Kit Plane
Magazine, the CH640 is classified under AMD ZodiacCH640, page 40, and
the
cost of plan is 495$. We are actually 3 guys who builds this plane from
plan. For more information you can contact me.
Christian Tremblay
A guy who build a CH640 from plan
http://www.zodiac640.com/
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Ashcraft
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Objet : Zenith-List: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane
All, I received the Jan 2007 of Kitplanes and browsed through the "plans
built planes". I noticed that Zenith had 3 different plans advertised,
CH701
CH601HD
CH601UL
Why do you supposed they didn't include the XL, 801, or 640?
Just curious,
Keith
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(buzz me anytime if you are in the area)
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For the tail wheel builders, I finally found the right tail wheel.
Pneumatic, ball bearing, 6" for $16.79. Rated at 150 pounds. Multitudes
of
sizes and material. Check Shepard wheels from Service Caster Corp.
http://www.servicecaster.com/?gclid=CPGF-oOtgYkCFRlmWAodzm07AQ
Bob, Wichita
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! fence |
Larry-- I don't have to take anyone cutting down the country I live in. and
I don't have to keep quiet about it!!! I didn't bring the subject up !!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
The information labeled "Zodiac CH601HD" is for the 801 unless there is a
new 601 with 4 seats and a 2200# gross weight.
On 12/7/06, DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't have the copy in front of me right now but look at the specs for
> one of the 601's listed there. Looks like 801 specs to me. Little bit of a
> screw up on the magazines part.
>
> Dave G
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79869#79869
>
>
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I just returned from flying my 701 for the first time since removing
the slats and adding VG's/ It was great. A little too windy to check
all my numbers, but it does take off and land as short as it did before.
Better feel on landing. Stalls seem the same except power off, full
flaps give me a little more definite buffet. Still no clean stall power
off. Will report actual numbers to the list after completing my tests.
Joe from FL Those guys from down under seem to know what they are
doing. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
Thank you ,Paul & Larry for your advise .I already have an electric self
darkening lenses in my helmet .I don't think the enhanced vision filter
would work on these type helmets ,but I will check with my supplier .And
Larry I read about your complete fuel tank building process ,you have a
great site . Thanks again Wade
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Welding fuel tanks
>
>
> Wade,
> You're selection of materials is right on and you might look into an
> electric lensed helmet if you've not already. I have a bit of history
> written to a web journal Section 2 starting April 3, for TIG welding my
> aircrafts tanks. I made almost all the mistakes one could, so there might
> be more that would be of interest to you. Also the menu entitled "lead
> edge tanks" and "header tank" have images that show a method, jigs and
> process for setup welding fittings and testing the tanks, etc. See
> www.macsmachine.com.
> If you have specific question on any of this along the way don't hesitate
> to ask.
>
> Larry McFarland - 601HDS
>
>
> Wade Jones wrote:
>> Hello group ,I am getting ready to weld( I hope) my fuel tanks .My plan
>> is : Use .040 5052-H32 material , 1/16" pure tungsten electrode ,1/16"
>> 5356 filler material ,cleco together ,preheat & stitch weld to control
>> distortion .I lay no claim to fame as an aluminum welder ,however in my
>> earlier live I was a certified pipe welder on several Nuclear power
>> plants .With some practice I may be able to regain some of my lost skills
>> .Can anyone the group offer any suggestions that may help me on this plan
>> . Thanks Wade Jones South Texas
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane |
Hi,
The model 4 seat at gross weight of 2200 pound is the CH640. This model
is
derived from the certified model 2 place, IFR CH2000 also named Alarus.
Chris
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Shoup
Envoy=E9 : Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:15 PM
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Objet : Re: Zenith-List: Re: Zenith Plans Built in Kitplane
The information labeled "Zodiac CH601HD" is for the 801 unless there is
a
new 601 with 4 seats and a 2200# gross weight.
On 12/7/06, DaveG601XL <david.m.gallagher@ge.com> wrote:
david.m.gallagher@ge.com
<mailto:david.m.gallagher@ge.com> >
I don't have the copy in front of me right now but look at the specs for
one
of the 601's listed there. Looks like 801 specs to me. Little bit of a
screw up on the magazines part.
Dave G
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
do not archive
I planned on making this a story to put in an EAA Chapter newsletter, to
kill two birds with one stone, but with all the traffic lately on welding
fuel tanks, I decided to just give some facts from my expierence now.
I went to forums by the Tin Man at Oshkosh two or three times
Bought small torch tips from the tin man
Bought flux from the Tin Man
Bought Rod from three different places
Bought wire from the Tin Man
To begin with, I could only melt aluminum and see it drop on the floor.
Then with some practice I could keep it off the floor but it would not stick
together. You could break it right apart.
Realized I CAN'T SEE!
Trip to the welding store to purchase goggles
To the big discount store to purchase two kinds of reading glasses
Back to the welding store to purchase lenses
First one was too dark, 2 steps lighter was too bright but #7 shade was just
right. I ended up using a pair????of reading glasses with one lens removed.
And taping a #7 shade to a fishermans magnifying glass (the kind that clips
to a baseball cap visor. Now I could see!
Back to forum at Oshkosh, this time with questions.
At this point I can make a bead on flat stock but not near the edge.
And it will only work if the flux is on the rod only and not on the work
piece.
With more practice, starting to make pretty good lap joints.So I decided to
put the flanges
facing inside the tank.
Made one tank out of .040 3003, clecoed together but had many leaks and
even more with the clecoe holes and it was too heavy.
Order more 3003, this time .032
More practice, learned how to put flux on the work and indirectly heat it so
the flux doesn't get burnt.
Tried pinch joint again, getting better
Second tank, this time the way it's supposed to be with the flanges facing
out and tach weld every inch using metal spring clamps to get tight joints.
More practice, this time on like size pieces just prior to the real thing.
There's a big diference in heating 4 square inches compared to 40+.
When welding a pinch joint, 3/16" - "of the seam gets melted down
End result!!! After 1 years of welding practice, I just closed the
second wing a few days ago.
Some major points I learned:
1. Must be able to see very well.
2. Work must be very clean (SS brush real well just prior to welding)
3. Do not direct heat the flux Once it burns you can't see the puddle and
it's contaminated
4. The work must melt or you are not getting penetration
5. Keep moving . Try not to stop since rewarming the joint is difficult and
usually results in a leak at that point
6. Practice Practice Practice Takes patience. I gave up many times, saying
"I can't do this"
It probably cost me more to learn and purchase material and equipment than
it would have to have a professional do it.
BUT, I am among only a few of us who can say we can gas weld aluminum.
Aaron Gustafson 601 HDTD Plans 0-200 11 years next month
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| Subject: | forward skin fastener |
larry
i would like the part number for the j nuts also. did
you use stainless steel screws with them.
john butterfield
601XL corvair
torrance, ca
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Ron-
Thanks for providing me with the "Book" on Nuvite polishing.
Luckily, I got the last Samsung laser printer Staples had on sale Black
Friday for $40.00 and I can actually afford to print it out!
Bill
Listers- there's a special section/procedure for the non-clad
aluminum used in Zeniths. I'll forward the PDF to anyone who wants it.
28 pages.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 20 %meat, 80%BS
God forbid. I deserve 30 lashes with a wet noodle.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: 20 %meat, 80%BS
All-
The header says it all. The list has turned into a hen party
rather than a source of information.
Incidentally, Ron B. from Nuvite- is anyone going to answer my
questions? I'd like to finish my project BEFORE I have no recourse but
to go SP.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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| Subject: | Kitplanes Directory - January 2007 issue. |
I just read the fine print in front of the Kitplanes Directory part
2- Plans built aircraft.
It point out that designs available as both plans and kits were
listed in the first part of the directory published a few months
ago. The list in this issue is designs that can be built ONLY from plans.
That explains why planes like the 601XL and 701 are missing from this issue.
Paul
XL fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Auxillary fuel pump |
4rcsimmons(at)comcast.net wrote:
> that presurizing the gascolator may not tbe the best of ideas
Agreed. Better to place the aux fuel pump after the sump.
Also not a good idea to feed all fuel through the aux pump, even if it has a pass-thru
capability ... because they have been known to malfunction.
The output from the fuel selector should go to the sump, then the line splits after
the sump to go to the inputs of the two fuel pumps. It's unavoidable to rejoin
the outputs of the two pumps prior to feeding the carb(s).
--------
Zodiac 601 XL - CZAW Built - Rotax 912S
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I would appreciate the pages PDF'd Bill.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Ron-
Thanks for providing me with the "Book" on Nuvite polishing.
Luckily, I got the last Samsung laser printer Staples had on sale Black Friday
for $40.00 and I can actually afford to print it out!
Bill
Listers- there's a special section/procedure for the non-clad aluminum used
in Zeniths. I'll forward the PDF to anyone who wants it. 28 pages.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 20 %meat, 80%BS
God forbid. I deserve 30 lashes with a wet noodle.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: 20 %meat, 80%BS
All-
The header says it all. The list has turned into a hen party rather than
a source of information.
Incidentally, Ron B. from Nuvite- is anyone going to answer my questions?
I'd like to finish my project BEFORE I have no recourse but to go SP.
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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in SE PA
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
Wade,
You have the right materials. There is no need to preheat, however. Sometimes
when preheating aluminum, you can very slightly contaminate the material,
and the weld will not look quite right. It will still work, just not as pretty.
With a 1/16" electrode, you can probably go with a step down gas cup.
This allows for getting into tighter spots, and better view of what is going on.
You will be glad you chose .040. It is much easier...
Also, I do not recommend using outside flange joints. They are not as strong.
The Tony Bingelis article on welding gas tanks specifically say to use
lap joints, and not outside flange. It also points out that you should use pleanty
of filler rod...
VR/
Brandon
601HDS / Corvair
20 hours on my welded tanks...
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I wants it!
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Downey
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: The book
do not list
I would appreciate the pages PDF'd Bill.
Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
Ron-
Thanks for providing me with the "Book" on Nuvite polishing.
Luckily, I got the last Samsung laser printer Staples had on sale
Black Friday for $40.00 and I can actually afford to print it out!
Bill
Listers- there's a special section/procedure for the non-clad
aluminum used in Zeniths. I'll forward the PDF to anyone who wants it.
28 pages.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:50 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 20 %meat, 80%BS
God forbid. I deserve 30 lashes with a wet noodle.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: 20 %meat, 80%BS
All-
The header says it all. The list has turned into a hen party
rather than a source of information.
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Joe,
Congratulations, I am looking forward to your numbers. Was it hard laying
out and installing the VG's?
Bob Spudis
N701ZX CH701/912S
In a message dated 12/7/2006 5:40:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jnjkimbell@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
I just returned from flying my 701 for the first time since removing the
slats and adding VG's/ It was great. A little too windy to check all my
numbers, but it does take off and land as short as it did before. Better feel
on
landing. Stalls seem the same except power off, full flaps give me a little
more definite buffet. Still no clean stall power off. Will report actual
numbers to the list after completing my tests. Joe from FL Those guys
from
down under seem to know what they are doing. do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith-List Digest: Do instruments need shock-mounting? |
We certainly worried about installing steam gauges without shock-mounting,
but no shock-mounting was used in our panel. The instruments include
three gyros (an electric turn and bank, and vacuum artificial horizon and
directional gyro). We have had no trouble in 100 plus hours of operation
with a Rotax 912S engine. But, the engine has a slipper clutch. I think
this is necessary in the 100 HP version to reduce vibration during
start-up and shut-down. Ours is a tri-gear aircraft.
John Goodings, C-FGPJ, CH601HD with R912S, Toronto/Ottawa/Waterloo.
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| Subject: | Re: Welding fuel tanks |
Thanks Aaron And Brandon ,it takes a lot more to gas weld aluminum than
to tig weld it .Hey Brandon I e-mailed you awhile back when you first
test flew your plane at ocean Side Ca. My daughter has a business just
across the field from you ,it is a Budget truck rental on Mission Ave .I
have told her to look out her door sometime and see a good looking 601
,nice paint job . Thanks again Wade Jones
----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon Tucker
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Welding fuel tanks
Wade,
You have the right materials. There is no need to preheat,
however. Sometimes when preheating aluminum, you can very slightly
contaminate the material, and the weld will not look quite right. It
will still work, just not as pretty. With a 1/16" electrode, you can
probably go with a step down gas cup. This allows for getting into
tighter spots, and better view of what is going on. You will be glad
you chose .040. It is much easier...
Also, I do not recommend using outside flange joints. They are
not as strong. The Tony Bingelis article on welding gas tanks
specifically say to use lap joints, and not outside flange. It also
points out that you should use pleanty of filler rod...
VR/
Brandon
601HDS /
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| Subject: | Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? |
Dear List,
The shock mounting for the gauges is new to me but makes sense.
Can some one send me a pictorial example of how this is acomplised!
Are certified aircraft done this way?
I think this is a gooe question so do not ???????
Happy days there mates!
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| Subject: | Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? |
I've always heard that you should shock mount your gyros and the rest
didn't matter. It seems to make sense, but there are a lot of panels
that mount everything solid and don't seem to have any problems.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rich
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Do instruments need shock mounting?
Dear List,
The shock mounting for the gauges is new to me but makes sense.
Can some one send me a pictorial example of how this is acomplised!
Are certified aircraft done this way?
I think this is a gooe question so do not ???????
Happy days there mates!
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| Subject: | Re: Do instruments need shock mounting? |
Hello Dan,
I dont think they need any, The 912 instalation (mine is 100 hp) is very quiet
and could say vibration free in flight,,, Not counting the 2 seconds before
the prop stops at shut down :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S
Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
I quickly looked in the archive and did not see any recent discussion on
how to mount the instrument panel. I plan on installing just the basic
steam gages on my 701 and will be installing either a Rotax 80 or 100 HP
engine. Do these instruments need to be shock isolated? Those of you
who are actually flying, what has been your experience.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: unbelievable! |
Lets remember to try to keep politics and religion out of any aviation list...
Is a waste of time...
Do not archive.
I think and I am very sure that millions of people from all over the world immigrate
to the USA. You surely don't see people in the USA building rafts and risking
their lives to get out. Most of those who criticize this country are either
ignorant or jealous. Go to a government website and read some immigration
statistics for a nice bed-time story. And, by the way, Jari, a typical American
citizen is white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Arab, etc. That's not arrogance,
"lurkers around the world"...that's just reality.
do not archive
Dave Clay
BUILDING a 601XL in central Texas
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