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1. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Gary Ray)
2. 06:36 AM - Pilot size and 701 (Bima, Martin)
3. 06:38 AM - Koger Sun Shades (robert stone)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: Pilot size and 701 (LRM)
5. 09:22 AM - completion for sale (Zed Smith)
6. 09:32 AM - Re: completion for sale (Craig Payne)
7. 09:40 AM - Re: Koger Sun Shades (Gary Ray)
8. 09:42 AM - Re: completion for sale (Gig Giacona)
9. 10:04 AM - Re: Koger Sun Shades ()
10. 10:08 AM - Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin (rbjjr)
11. 10:12 AM - Correct "for sale" address (Zed Smith)
12. 10:36 AM - (no subject) (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
13. 10:59 AM - Re: (no subject) (GM)
14. 11:23 AM - Re: pilot size for 701 (milreed)
15. 11:29 AM - thanks, George! (Zed Smith)
16. 11:42 AM - Re: pilot size for 701 (Craig Payne)
17. 12:01 PM - Re: Correct "for sale" address (Gig Giacona)
18. 12:54 PM - Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 (Klaus Truemper)
19. 01:43 PM - Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 (Klaus Truemper)
20. 02:17 PM - corrupted aaddrreessee (Zed Smith)
21. 02:24 PM - completion for sale, correct address! (Zed Smith)
22. 05:27 PM - Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (John Marzulli)
23. 06:00 PM - chat tonight (Rob St Denis)
24. 06:40 PM - Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (ROBERT SCEPPA)
25. 07:43 PM - AOA for your Dynon (Tim Shankland)
26. 09:13 PM - VW engine and parts for sale or trade (David Mikesell)
27. 10:05 PM - elevator balancing (howado1@comcast.net)
28. 11:56 PM - Slightly off topic. No more zinc chromate from Wicks (fred sanford)
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Subject: | Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight |
The following is how I understand it. Either I got lucky or I have it
right.
On the inside of my spinner I found a witness mark that developed after
the first 30 hours. The mark is a dark powdered area on the inner
spinner near the bulkhead. This implies that some motion is occuring.
This forms when the bulkhead is deviating away from the prop hub. I
reasoned that the side 90 degrees after the mark must be heavy in order
to cause the deflection. Gyroscopes react 90 degrees after the point
where force is applied. Since the heavy side can not move into the prop
hub there is no motion at that point. However the opposite side can
experience a force away from the hub but the actual movement outward
would occur 90 degrees later. As an example if you spin a bicycle tire
in a forward rotation, then tip the top of the tire to the left, you
will see that the front of the wheel also moves to the left (90 degrees
later). In my case I reasoned that the action of the front of the wheel
represents the point where I was seeing witness marks. So adding weight
90 degrees prior made sense. This line of reasoning was then confirmed
on a static lawn mower balance. I added duct tape to the inside of the
spinner with washers beneath as a trial and got an immediate
improvement.
The witness marks are an indication of dynamic balance problems so as
time goes on I will watch for any return of these marks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight
Glad to hear you are in the air and enjoying your plane.
> A few strategically placed washers inside my spinner did the trick
so I will attach them permanently.
How did you decide where to place the washers? I'm assuming you didn't
have access to dynamic balancing equipment.
-- Craig
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Subject: | Pilot size and 701 |
I am 6'4" 200 lb, and do not fit comfortably in the standard 701. The
standard 701 has a flat roof that is much lower than the top of the wing
surface, and a raised seat pan due to the flap control rods. I plan to
continue the wing shape across the top of the cabin and drop the seat
pan to the floor and give myself enough head room for some.
In any case, if you are tall, please go sit in one. There may be other
modifications necessary if you are very leggy.
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Subject: | Koger Sun Shades |
Netheads
Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he
finally developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Subject: | Re: Pilot size and 701 |
You might want to do some research, but I think the opening between the
wings serves a purpose. It allows direct prop wash to the horizontal and
elevator. If you raise the center up, with an airfoil, you will get a
little more lift but it won't handle as good at low speeds. The tail
already needs help, closing the center up might make it worse. At least
that's what I think, for what's that's worth.
My wife's son-in-law is 6'4" and 240. He doesn't have all the room he would
like, but is comfortable enough. You might do a few things I did. Move the
dash forward 2", foot petals same, thin seat foam, and don't wear a hat.
Take care, Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com.
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From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:33 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Pilot size and 701
>
>
> I am 6'4" 200 lb, and do not fit comfortably in the standard 701. The
> standard 701 has a flat roof that is much lower than the top of the wing
> surface, and a raised seat pan due to the flap control rods. I plan to
> continue the wing shape across the top of the cabin and drop the seat
> pan to the floor and give myself enough head room for some.
>
> In any case, if you are tall, please go sit in one. There may be other
> modifications necessary if you are very leggy.
>
>
>
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Subject: | completion for sale |
do not archive
http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
Thought some may be interested.
Regards to all,
Zed
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Subject: | completion for sale |
http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
This link doesn't work for me.
-- Craig
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Subject: | Re: Koger Sun Shades |
I spoke to him at Oshkosh. He told me he has a model that fits the
601XL. There was a small issue with the rear canopy support bar.
Gary Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: robert stone
To: Zenith list
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Koger Sun Shades
Netheads
Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he
finally developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
Tracy Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Subject: | Re: completion for sale |
Me either.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134846#134846
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Subject: | Re: Koger Sun Shades |
Just got mine in last week Tracy. He makes a shade 34" wide by 35" long for the
601XL. That's four inches wider than the RV7 shade and ten inches longer. I haven't
installed it yet and haven't decided for sure whether or not I'll have
it extend behind the rear canopy bow tube or not. You can either mount it entirely
ahead of that tube or cut the C-channel and have the shade span the tube
to shade the area behind the tube to whatever extent the sun exposure in that
area demands. Call Ralph or email him for more details.
Dred
---- robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote:
> Netheads
> Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he finally
developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
>
> Tracy Stone
> Harker Heights, Tx
> ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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Subject: | Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin |
I am building with kit ribs and scratch built skins. Mine bulged ever so slightly
at the trailing edge at each rib. Hardly noticeable.
After consulting pictures from the manual, Zenith's site, other builder's sites
and the Homebuilt Help video, I'm satisfied with how things came out.
Burke Johnson
Irvington, VA
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134852#134852
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Subject: | Correct "for sale" address |
got excited, left out one character in address...corrected version below
http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
Check airspeed indicator; might fit in 701.
do not archive
More regards,
Zed
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Hey Zed: Neither address works. I can find a page at ginkgo, but can not get
past that
_http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html_
(http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html)
_http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html_
(http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html)
Lynn
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http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.html
I found it at this link. It has to be capital N in the number.
GeorgeM
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: (no subject)
Hey Zed: Neither address works. I can find a page at ginkgo, but can not get
past that
http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
Lynn
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See what's new a_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.
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Subject: | Re: pilot size for 701 |
I am 6' 2 1/2 " and 170# and I fit fine in my finished fuselage as well
as when I ride in Gordon Poer's 701. Good view from up here. Last
physical I asked the nurse where I was on the chart and she said I was
just on the lower edge of being over weight. So much for our health care
system.
DO NOT ARCHIVE, but who knows mabe it should be archived as this was the
first question I asked Roger--- I was concerned and even rationalized
that I could move the rudder pedals ---not necessary.
Mil
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Matronics kept rejecting my attempts to send the original line from an email I
received.
Then I tried copying the address....can't talk on phone, answer questions from
half-dozen others, type emails, and eat all at the same time and monitor Caps
Lock key.
Anyway, for those with some spare change and the desire for an airplane that is
slower than a 701, check out the address.
Regard to all,
do not archive
Zed
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Subject: | pilot size for 701 |
FWIW 6' 2 1/2 " and 170# gives you a Body Mass Index of 21.5. The range of a
normal BMI is 18.5 to 24.9. So you are "normal" - at least as far as your
BMI goes ;-)
-- Craig
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: Correct "for sale" address |
http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
That ones not working either.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134872#134872
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Subject: | Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 |
Hi Chris,
You ask about recent changes/investigations.
Here are two items:
1. The banjo bolt at the bottom of the crankcase holding the banjo
fitting of the oil
return line, several times produced trouble over the years, when the
gaskets started leaking.
At one time, the safety wire broke, but fortunately did not leave the
bolt entirely and thus
held the bolt in place. We had smoke in the cabin due to a small amount
of oil having dripped
onto the muffler. An immediate return to the airport saved the day.
Most recently the fitting leaked again, and my AP friend at the airport
cautioned me
that the banjo bolt may be stretched. Indeed it was, as was evident from
the elongation
of the four holes in the bolt.
The lesson learned here is: If the banjo bolt starts leaking, it may be
wise to
examine the bolt for stretching instead of just using new gaskets and
reinstalling
a stretched bolt. If the holes show any amount of elongation, a new bolt
must
be used. The torque MUST be according to Rotax spec.
Do NOT guess the torque. Then use heavy-gauge safety wire to
safety the bolt.
Another lesson: It may be good idea to open the heater momentarily
during the
runup, to check for the smell of oil that may have dripped onto the
muffler, say during
overnight parking, and now is being vaporized. The amount of oil may be
so small that
it did not drip out of the cowl and thus was not detected during preflight.
2. Some years back I had improved on the original design of the 601HDS
toe brakes, but this year I learned that this is not good enough at gross
weight. So, starting this weekend, the toe brakes will be redesigned so that
they become much more effective. When this is completed, I will add pictures
and a description of the change on the website. If your 601 brakes also
seem feeble to you, you may want to look and see if our changes would
work for you. The change is made difficult by the size of the main brake
cylinders and the way they have been attached. We want to modify the system
without changing the design of the brake cylinders. That way, cylinders
can be readily swapped later against new ones if that ever becomes
necessary.
Happy Flying,
Klaus
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Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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Subject: | Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 |
Hi Chris,
You ask about recent changes/investigations.
Here are two items:
1. Several times over the years, the banjo fitting at the bottom of the
Rotax 912 crankcase
began leaking. Each time I reinstalled the banjo bolt with new gaskets.
Most recently the fitting leaked again. My AP friend at the airport
cautioned me
that the banjo bolt may be stretched. Indeed it was, as was evident from
the elongation
of the four holes in the bolt.
The lesson learned here is: If the banjo fitting starts leaking, the banjo
banjo bolt must be checked for stretching instead of just using new
gaskets and reinstalling
a stretched bolt. If the holes show any amount of elongation, a new bolt
must
be used. The torque must be according to Rotax spec.
Heavy-gauge safety wire should be used to safety the bolt. The usual,
thin, safety wire
will not stand up to the high frequency vibration of the crankcase, as I
found
out some years ago.
It may be a good idea to open the heater momentarily during the
runup, to check for smell of oil that may have dripped onto the muffler,
say during
overnight parking, and that is being vaporized. The effect may be produced
by just a few drops of oil that are not detected during preflight. A leaking
banjo fitting may be the cause.
2. Several years ago we had improved the original design of the 601HDS
toe brakes, but this year we realized during a landing at gross
weight and high density altitude that the brakes must be further improved.
Starting this weekend, the toe brakes will be redesigned so that
they become much more effective. When this is completed, pictures and
a description of the change will be added to the website.
Happy Flying,
Klaus
--
Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science EC31
P.O. Box 830688
Richardson, TX 75083-0688
(972) 883-2712
klaus@utdallas.edu
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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Subject: | corrupted aaddrreessee |
Gig and all,
The "N" in the N-number needs to be CAPITALIZED.
Try http://
www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.
then add "h t m l " without the spaces.
For some reason, if I attempt to send the entire address on one line, the Matronics
system kicks it back with an advisory that you can't send an "html" or some
such.
For those that are weary of this subject: This is a link to a pristine 1929 Ford
Tri-Motor for sale.
Not having room in the budget this week, and a bleak outlook for next week, I thought
possibly some of the List might snap this up.
Zed
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Subject: | completion for sale, correct address! |
>
>do not archive
>
>
>http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
>
>Thought some may be interested.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Zed
>
>
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Subject: | Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks |
Today when I placed an order for some Zinc Chromate, their sales rep advised
me that Wicks will no longer carry the stuff. They will be switching to an
oxide based primer.
While I don't want to start another primer or scotchbrite debate, I know a
good number of people use the stuff, or are still deciding what to use.
Hope this is helpful,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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http://chat.iahu.ca
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Subject: | Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks |
> I have been using a self etch primer from a Sherman
> Williams dealer. Its not their brand, but similiar
> and it works very well and doesn't cost as much. The
> product is called SEM costs $15 for a 15.5 oz can.
> I first wash the aluminum with acrylic thinner or
> acetone, then I use aluminum etch from the auto
> supply store, wash it off with water let it dry,
> then spray it with SEM. Works great....RJS
--- John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
> Today when I placed an order for some Zinc Chromate,
> their sales rep advised
> me that Wicks will no longer carry the stuff. They
> will be switching to an
> oxide based primer.
>
> While I don't want to start another primer or
> scotchbrite debate, I know a
> good number of people use the stuff, or are still
> deciding what to use.
>
> Hope this is helpful,
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> --
> John Marzulli
> http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
>
> "Flying a plane is no different than riding a
> bicycle... it's just a lot
> harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
> -Airplane The Movie
>
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
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Subject: | AOA for your Dynon |
For all of you who have or are thinking of buying the Dynon and think
you would like to be able to use the angle of attack indicator it
doesn't have to cost another $200. I bought my Dynon for the attitude
display and everything else was gravy. It wasn't until after I was
flying with it I even realized that it have the AOA option. Being a
builder oh and cheap too, I though $200 was a lot to pay so I looked
into Dynon's and other AOA devices. Well anyway I made my own probe,
cost nothing time about an hour or so and I can report it works great.
Attached are a couple of pictures of the installation. The trick to ease
of fabrication is that I used copper tubing, easier to solder together.
The pitot tube is at a right angle to the support tube and the
additional tube is angled 45 degrees down. To hold it I made a slot in
the circular piece of 1/8 inch aluminum, I used my mill but it can be
done with a drill and careful file work.. Mine as a snug fit to which I
added epoxy. By the way don't start on how that copper is going to
corrode with the aluminum I keep my plane inside and dry and I haven't
seen any at other interfaces in the past year.
Tim Shankland
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Subject: | VW engine and parts for sale or trade |
Ok guys, what I have is 1 full 2180 and one partial 2180. The one
full 2180 has a tapered crank and prop hub, magnesium alloy case,
bored and cleared, cylinder and heads and pistons, connecting rods,
exhaust (a complete engine) and intake stubs from Great Plains. It
has about 4 hrs of run time and is presently fully disassemble. The
second is a brand new aluminum case for a 2180, new crank for a 2180,
new timing pulley, new Aero carb for 2180vw, starter and new flywheel
and prop hub for rear direct drive, also new 2.3 to 1 planetary gear
box for rear drive, all gaskets and seals, new bearing for main and
cam, compufire ignition
system and who know what else odds and ends I am forgetting. New Grand
Rapids EIS with altitude, fuel flow, manifold pressure and probably some
stuff I am forgetting to mention but all the standard EIS stuff.
What I am looking for is a couple of Half VW's for trade.
Disassembled is ok but must be in good and complete condition. I
would prefer in current flyable conditon and larger displacemnt. I
would consider a 28hp model and a 37hp versions with no carbs or
ignition in trade but must be complete and in flyable (good/excellent
condition) for trade.
I am also open to a 37hp half VW complete and cash or two stroke
engine in lew of cash.
All engines for trade must be in good/flyable condtion and come with
prop.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
www.skyguynca.com
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Subject: | elevator balancing |
Has anybody had experience with balancing an elevator?
Any info would be appreciated.
Howard Carter
CH701 30%
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Subject: | Slightly off topic. No more zinc chromate from Wicks |
Zinc chromate is still available from a boating store on the east coast,
and reasonable - about $25 per quart.
http://www.kirbypaint.com/index.html
Fred Sanford 80% N9601
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