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     1. 04:57 AM - Re: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight (Gary Ray)
     2. 06:36 AM - Pilot size and 701 (Bima, Martin)
     3. 06:38 AM - Koger Sun Shades (robert stone)
     4. 07:16 AM - Re: Pilot size and 701 (LRM)
     5. 09:22 AM - completion for sale (Zed Smith)
     6. 09:32 AM - Re: completion for sale (Craig Payne)
     7. 09:40 AM - Re: Koger Sun Shades (Gary Ray)
     8. 09:42 AM - Re: completion for sale (Gig Giacona)
     9. 10:04 AM - Re: Koger Sun Shades ()
    10. 10:08 AM - Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin (rbjjr)
    11. 10:12 AM - Correct "for sale" address (Zed Smith)
    12. 10:36 AM - (no subject) (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
    13. 10:59 AM - Re: (no subject) (GM)
    14. 11:23 AM - Re: pilot size for 701 (milreed)
    15. 11:29 AM - thanks, George! (Zed Smith)
    16. 11:42 AM - Re: pilot size for 701 (Craig Payne)
    17. 12:01 PM - Re: Correct "for sale" address (Gig Giacona)
    18. 12:54 PM - Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 (Klaus Truemper)
    19. 01:43 PM - Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 (Klaus Truemper)
    20. 02:17 PM - corrupted aaddrreessee (Zed Smith)
    21. 02:24 PM - completion for sale, correct address! (Zed Smith)
    22. 05:27 PM - Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (John Marzulli)
    23. 06:00 PM - chat tonight (Rob St Denis)
    24. 06:40 PM - Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks (ROBERT SCEPPA)
    25. 07:43 PM - AOA for your Dynon (Tim Shankland)
    26. 09:13 PM - VW engine and parts for sale or trade (David Mikesell)
    27. 10:05 PM - elevator balancing (howado1@comcast.net)
    28. 11:56 PM - Slightly off topic. No more zinc chromate from Wicks (fred sanford)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight | 
      
      The following is how I understand it.  Either I got lucky or I have it 
      right.
      On the inside of my spinner I found a witness mark that developed after 
      the first 30 hours.  The mark is a dark powdered area on the inner 
      spinner near the bulkhead.  This implies that some motion is occuring.  
      This forms when the bulkhead is deviating away from the prop hub.  I 
      reasoned that the side 90 degrees after the mark must be heavy in order 
      to cause the deflection.  Gyroscopes react 90 degrees after the point 
      where force is applied.  Since the heavy side can not move into the prop 
      hub there is no motion at that point.  However the opposite side can 
      experience a force away from the hub but the actual movement outward 
      would occur 90 degrees later.  As an example if you spin a bicycle tire 
      in a forward rotation, then tip the top of the tire to the left, you 
      will see that the front of the wheel also moves to the left (90 degrees 
      later).  In my case I reasoned that the action of the front of the wheel 
      represents the point where I was seeing witness marks.  So adding weight 
      90 degrees prior made sense.  This line of reasoning was then confirmed 
      on a static lawn mower balance.  I added duct tape to the inside of the 
      spinner with washers beneath as a trial and got an immediate 
      improvement.  
      The witness marks are an indication of dynamic balance problems so as 
      time goes on I will watch for any return of these marks.
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Craig Payne 
        To: zenith-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 9:16 PM
        Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: 601XL Near Perfect Flight
      
      
        Glad to hear you are in the air and enjoying your plane.
      
        > A few strategically placed washers inside my spinner did the trick 
      so I will attach them permanently.
      
        How did you decide where to place the washers? I'm assuming you didn't 
      have access to dynamic balancing equipment.
      
        -- Craig
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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      9/15/07 7:54 PM
      
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| Subject:  | Pilot size and 701 | 
      
      
      
      I am 6'4" 200 lb, and do not fit comfortably in the standard 701. The
      standard 701 has a flat roof that is much lower than the top of the wing
      surface, and a raised seat pan due to the flap control rods. I plan to
      continue the wing shape across the top of the cabin and drop the seat
      pan to the floor and give myself enough head room for some.
      
      In any case, if you are tall, please go sit in one. There may be other
      modifications necessary if you are very leggy.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Koger Sun Shades | 
      
      Netheads
           Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he 
      finally developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
      
      Tracy Stone
      Harker Heights, Tx
      ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pilot size and 701 | 
      
      
      You might want to do some research, but I think the opening between the 
      wings serves a purpose.  It allows direct prop wash to the horizontal and 
      elevator.  If you raise the center up, with an airfoil, you will get a 
      little more lift but it won't handle as good at low speeds.  The tail 
      already needs help, closing the center up might make it worse.  At least 
      that's what I think, for what's that's worth.
      My wife's son-in-law is 6'4" and 240.  He doesn't have all the room he would 
      like, but is comfortable enough.  You might do a few things I did.  Move the 
      dash forward 2", foot petals same, thin seat foam, and don't wear a hat.
      
      Take care, Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com.
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Bima, Martin" <mbima@hydro.mb.ca>
      Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 8:33 AM
      Subject: Zenith-List: Pilot size and 701
      
      
      >
      >
      > I am 6'4" 200 lb, and do not fit comfortably in the standard 701. The
      > standard 701 has a flat roof that is much lower than the top of the wing
      > surface, and a raised seat pan due to the flap control rods. I plan to
      > continue the wing shape across the top of the cabin and drop the seat
      > pan to the floor and give myself enough head room for some.
      >
      > In any case, if you are tall, please go sit in one. There may be other
      > modifications necessary if you are very leggy.
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | completion for sale | 
      
      
      do not archive
      
      
      http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
      
      Thought some may be interested.
      
      Regards to all,
      
      Zed
      
      
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| Subject:  | completion for sale | 
      
      
      http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
      
      This link doesn't work for me.
      
      -- Craig
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Koger Sun Shades | 
      
      I spoke to him at Oshkosh.  He told me he has a model that fits the 
      601XL.  There was a small issue with the rear canopy support bar.
      
      Gary Ray
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: robert stone 
        To: Zenith list 
        Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 9:38 AM
        Subject: Zenith-List: Koger Sun Shades
      
      
        Netheads
             Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he 
      finally developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
      
        Tracy Stone
        Harker Heights, Tx
        ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
      
      
      -------------------------------------------------------------------------
      -----
      
      
      9/16/07 6:32 PM
      
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| Subject:  | Re: completion for sale | 
      
      
      Me either.
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134846#134846
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Koger Sun Shades | 
      
      
      Just got mine in last week Tracy. He makes a shade 34" wide by 35" long for the
      601XL. That's four inches wider than the RV7 shade and ten inches longer. I haven't
      installed it yet and haven't decided for sure whether or not I'll have
      it extend behind the rear canopy bow tube or not. You can either mount it entirely
      ahead of that tube or cut the C-channel and have the shade span the tube
      to shade the area behind the tube to whatever extent the sun exposure in that
      area demands. Call Ralph or email him for more details.
      
      Dred
      
      ---- robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com> wrote: 
      > Netheads
      >      Did any of you guys ever get in touch with Ralph Koger and has he finally
      developed a suitable sun shade design for the ZodiacXL?
      > 
      > Tracy Stone
      > Harker Heights, Tx
      > ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: 701 Rear Rudder Skin | 
      
      
      I am building with kit ribs and scratch built skins.  Mine bulged ever so slightly
      at the trailing edge at each rib.  Hardly noticeable. 
      
      After consulting pictures from the manual, Zenith's site, other builder's sites
      and the Homebuilt Help video, I'm satisfied with how things came out.
      
      Burke Johnson
      Irvington, VA
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134852#134852
      
      
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| Subject:  | Correct "for sale" address | 
      
      
      got excited, left out one character in address...corrected version below
      
      http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
      
      Check airspeed indicator; might fit in 701.
      
      do not archive
      
      More regards,
      
      Zed
      
      
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      Hey Zed: Neither address works. I can find a page at ginkgo, but can not  get 
      past that
      
      _http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html_ 
      (http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html) 
      
      _http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html_ 
      (http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html) 
      Lynn
      
      
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      http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.html
      
      
      I found it at this link.  It has to be capital N in the number.
      
      GeorgeM
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
      IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
      Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:28 PM
      Subject: Zenith-List: (no subject)
      
      
      Hey Zed: Neither address works. I can find a page at ginkgo, but can not get
      past that
      
      
      http://www.ipass.net/gingo/n9612home.html
      
      
      http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
      
      Lynn
      
      
        _____  
      
      See what's new a_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: pilot size for 701 | 
      
      I am 6' 2 1/2 " and 170# and I fit fine in my finished fuselage as well 
      as when I ride in Gordon Poer's 701. Good view from up here. Last 
      physical I asked the nurse where I was on the chart and she said I was 
      just on the lower edge of being over weight. So much for our health care 
      system. 
      DO NOT ARCHIVE, but who knows mabe it should be archived as this was the 
      first question I asked Roger--- I was concerned and even rationalized 
      that I could move the rudder pedals ---not necessary.
      Mil  
      
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      Matronics kept rejecting my attempts to send the original line from an email I
      received.
      Then I tried copying the address....can't talk on phone, answer questions from
      half-dozen others, type emails, and eat all at the same time and monitor Caps
      Lock key.
      Anyway,  for those with some spare change and the desire for an airplane that is
      slower than a 701, check out the address.
      
      Regard to all,
      do not archive
      Zed
      
      
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| Subject:  | pilot size for 701 | 
      
      FWIW 6' 2 1/2 " and 170# gives you a Body Mass Index of 21.5. The range of a
      normal BMI is 18.5 to 24.9. So you are "normal" - at least as far as your
      BMI goes ;-)
      
      -- Craig
       do not archive 
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Correct "for sale" address | 
      
      
      http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html 
      
      That ones not working either.
      
      --------
      W.R. "Gig" Giacona
      601XL Under Construction
      See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134872#134872
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 | 
      
      
      Hi Chris,
      
      You ask about recent changes/investigations.
      
      Here are two items:
      
      1. The banjo bolt at the bottom of the crankcase holding the banjo 
      fitting of the oil
      return line, several times produced trouble over the years, when the 
      gaskets started leaking.
      At one time, the safety wire broke, but fortunately did not leave the 
      bolt entirely and thus
      held the bolt in place. We had smoke in the cabin due to a small amount 
      of oil having dripped
      onto the muffler. An immediate return to the airport saved the day.
      
      Most recently the fitting leaked again, and my AP friend at the airport 
      cautioned me
      that the banjo bolt may be stretched. Indeed it was, as was evident from 
      the elongation
      of the four holes in the bolt.
      
      The lesson learned here is: If the banjo bolt starts leaking, it may be 
      wise to
      examine the bolt for stretching instead of just using new gaskets and 
      reinstalling
      a stretched bolt. If the holes show any amount of elongation, a new bolt 
      must
      be used. The torque MUST be according to Rotax spec.
      Do NOT guess the torque. Then use heavy-gauge safety wire to
      safety the bolt.
      
      Another lesson: It may be good idea to open the heater momentarily 
      during the
      runup, to check for the smell of oil that may have dripped onto the 
      muffler, say during
      overnight parking,  and now is being vaporized. The amount of oil may be 
      so small that
      it did not drip out of the cowl and thus was not detected during preflight.
      
      2. Some years back I had improved on the original design of the 601HDS
      toe brakes, but this year I learned that this is not good enough at gross
      weight. So, starting this weekend, the toe brakes will be redesigned so that
      they become much more effective. When this is completed, I will add pictures
      and a description of the change on the website. If your 601 brakes also
      seem feeble to you, you may want to look and see if our changes would
      work for you. The change is made difficult by the size of the main brake
      cylinders and the way they have been attached. We want to modify the system
      without changing the design of the brake cylinders. That way, cylinders
      can be readily swapped later against new ones if that ever becomes 
      necessary.
      
      Happy Flying,
      
      Klaus
      
      -- 
      Klaus Truemper
      Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
      University of Texas at Dallas
      Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
        Computer Science EC31
      P.O. Box 830688
      Richardson, TX 75083-0688
      (972) 883-2712
      klaus@utdallas.edu
      www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Upper Bushing Wear - Rudder Hinge on 601 | 
      
      
      Hi Chris,
      
      You ask about recent changes/investigations.
      
      Here are two items:
      
      1. Several times over the years, the banjo fitting at the bottom of the 
      Rotax 912 crankcase
      began leaking. Each time I reinstalled the banjo bolt with new gaskets.
      Most recently the fitting leaked again. My AP friend at the airport 
      cautioned me
      that the banjo bolt may be stretched. Indeed it was, as was evident from 
      the elongation
      of the four holes in the bolt.
      
      The lesson learned here is: If the banjo fitting starts leaking, the banjo
      banjo bolt must be checked for stretching instead of just using new 
      gaskets and reinstalling
      a stretched bolt. If the holes show any amount of elongation, a new bolt 
      must
      be used. The torque must be according to Rotax spec.
      Heavy-gauge safety wire should be used to safety the bolt. The usual, 
      thin, safety wire
      will not stand up to the high frequency vibration of the crankcase, as I 
      found
      out some years ago.
      
      It may be a good idea to open the heater momentarily during the
      runup, to check for smell of oil that may have dripped onto the muffler, 
      say during
      overnight parking,  and that is being vaporized. The effect may be produced
      by just a few drops of oil that are not detected during preflight. A leaking
      banjo fitting may be the cause.
      
      2. Several years ago we had improved the original design of the 601HDS
      toe brakes, but this year we realized during a landing at gross
      weight and high density altitude that the brakes must be further improved.
      Starting this weekend, the toe brakes will be redesigned so that
      they become much more effective. When this is completed, pictures and
      a description of the change will be added to the website.
      
      Happy Flying,
      
      Klaus
      
      -- 
      Klaus Truemper
      Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
      University of Texas at Dallas
      Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
        Computer Science EC31
      P.O. Box 830688
      Richardson, TX 75083-0688
      (972) 883-2712
      klaus@utdallas.edu
      www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
      
      
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| Subject:  | corrupted aaddrreessee | 
      
      
      Gig and all,
      
      The "N" in the N-number needs to be CAPITALIZED.
      Try http://
      www.ipass.net/ginkgo/N9612home.
      then add "h   t   m   l " without the spaces.
      For some reason, if I attempt to send the entire address on one line, the Matronics
      system kicks it back with an advisory that you can't send an "html" or some
      such.
      
      For those that are weary of this subject:  This is a link to a pristine 1929 Ford
      Tri-Motor for sale.
      
      Not having room in the budget this week, and a bleak outlook for next week, I thought
      possibly some of the List might snap this up.
      
      Zed
      
      
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| Subject:  | completion for sale, correct address! | 
      
      
      
      >
      >do not archive
      >
      >
      >http://www.ipass.net/ginkgo/n9612home.html
      >
      >Thought some may be interested.
      >
      >Regards to all,
      >
      >Zed
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks | 
      
      Today when I placed an order for some Zinc Chromate, their sales rep advised
      me that Wicks will no longer carry the stuff. They will be switching to an
      oxide based primer.
      
      While I don't want to start another primer or scotchbrite debate, I know a
      good number of people use the stuff, or are still deciding what to use.
      
      Hope this is helpful,
      
      DO NOT ARCHIVE
      
      -- 
      John Marzulli
      http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
      
      "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
      harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
      -Airplane The Movie
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Slightly off topic: No more Zinc Chromate from Wicks | 
      
      
      > I have been using a self etch primer from a Sherman
      > Williams dealer. Its not their brand, but similiar
      > and it works very well and doesn't cost as much. The
      > product is called SEM costs $15 for a 15.5 oz can.
      > I first wash the aluminum with acrylic thinner or 
      > acetone, then I use aluminum etch from the auto 
      > supply store, wash it off with water let it dry, 
      > then spray it with SEM. Works great....RJS
      --- John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
      
      > Today when I placed an order for some Zinc Chromate,
      > their sales rep advised
      > me that Wicks will no longer carry the stuff. They
      > will be switching to an
      > oxide based primer.
      > 
      > While I don't want to start another primer or
      > scotchbrite debate, I know a
      > good number of people use the stuff, or are still
      > deciding what to use.
      > 
      > Hope this is helpful,
      > 
      > DO NOT ARCHIVE
      > 
      > -- 
      > John Marzulli
      > http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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      > "Flying a plane is no different than riding a
      > bicycle... it's just a lot
      > harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
      > -Airplane The Movie
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| Subject:  | AOA for your Dynon | 
      
      For all of you who have or are thinking of buying the Dynon and think 
      you would like to be able to use the angle of  attack indicator it 
      doesn't have to cost another $200. I bought my Dynon for the attitude 
      display and everything else was gravy. It wasn't until after I was 
      flying with it I even realized that it have the AOA option. Being a 
      builder oh and cheap too, I though $200 was a lot to pay so I looked 
      into Dynon's and other AOA devices. Well anyway I made my own probe, 
      cost nothing time about an hour or so and I can report it works great. 
      Attached are a couple of pictures of the installation. The trick to ease 
      of fabrication is that I used copper tubing, easier to solder together. 
      The pitot tube is at a right angle to the support tube and the 
      additional tube is angled 45 degrees down. To hold it I made a slot in 
      the circular piece of 1/8 inch aluminum, I used my mill but it can be 
      done with a drill and careful file work.. Mine as a snug fit to which I 
      added epoxy. By the way don't start on how that copper is going to 
      corrode with the aluminum I keep my plane inside and dry and I haven't 
      seen any at other interfaces in the past year.
      
      Tim Shankland
      
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| Subject:  | VW engine and parts for sale or trade | 
      
      Ok guys, what I have is 1 full 2180 and one partial 2180. The one
      full 2180 has a tapered crank and prop hub, magnesium alloy case,
      bored and cleared, cylinder and heads and pistons, connecting rods,
      exhaust (a complete engine) and intake stubs from Great Plains. It
      has about 4 hrs of run time and is presently fully disassemble. The
      second is a brand new aluminum case for a 2180, new crank for a 2180,
      new timing pulley, new Aero carb for 2180vw, starter and new flywheel
      and prop hub for rear direct drive, also new 2.3 to 1 planetary gear
      box for rear drive,  all gaskets and seals, new bearing for main and 
      cam, compufire ignition
      system and who know what else odds and ends I am forgetting. New Grand 
      Rapids EIS with altitude, fuel flow, manifold pressure and probably some 
      stuff I am forgetting to mention but all the standard EIS stuff.
      
      What I am looking for is a couple of Half VW's for trade.
      Disassembled is ok but must be in good and complete condition. I
      would prefer in current flyable conditon and larger displacemnt. I
      would consider a 28hp model and a 37hp versions with no carbs or
      ignition in trade but must be complete and in flyable (good/excellent
      condition) for trade.
      
      I am also open to a 37hp half VW complete and cash or two stroke
      engine in lew of cash.
      
      All engines for trade must be in good/flyable condtion and come with
      prop.
      
      David Mikesell
      230 Theresa Drive, #6
      Cloverdale, CA 95425
      209-224-4485
      skyguynca@skyguynca.com
      www.skyguynca.com
      
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| Subject:  | elevator balancing | 
      
      
      Has anybody had experience with balancing an elevator?
      Any info would be appreciated.
      
      Howard Carter
      CH701 30%
      
      
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| Subject:  | Slightly off topic. No more zinc chromate from Wicks | 
      
      
      Zinc chromate is still available from a boating store on the east coast, 
      and reasonable - about $25 per quart.
      
      http://www.kirbypaint.com/index.html
      
      Fred Sanford  80% N9601
      Do not archive
      
      
 
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