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1. 04:01 AM - Re: Great software (David Downey)
2. 05:25 AM - Re: 601 XL (DaveG601XL)
3. 06:58 AM - Re: 601 XL (LarryMcFarland)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: 601 XL (GLENN JOHNSON)
5. 07:41 AM - Re: 601 XL (steve)
6. 08:40 AM - Re: Dynon system (japhillipsga@aol.com)
7. 09:27 AM - Re: Great software (Debo Cox)
8. 10:00 AM - Re: Great software (David Mikesell)
9. 10:22 AM - Re: 601 XL (Jim Hoak)
10. 10:30 AM - 701 Rear Access Panel (Keith Ashcraft)
11. 10:56 AM - Re: Dynon system (Craig Payne)
12. 11:31 AM - Wing dent repair? (Dirk Slabbert)
13. 12:01 PM - Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday (Frank Derfler)
14. 12:02 PM - wing dent (Zed Smith)
15. 12:26 PM - Re: Great software (David Downey)
16. 12:30 PM - Re: 601 XL (DaveG601XL)
17. 12:54 PM - Re: Re: 601 XL (steve)
18. 12:55 PM - Re: Wing dent repair? (steve)
19. 12:56 PM - Re: Wing dent repair? (Paul Mulwitz)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: Dynon system (Dan Lykowski)
21. 01:17 PM - Re: Dynon system (japhillipsga@aol.com)
22. 02:06 PM - Re: Dynon system (george may)
23. 02:06 PM - Re: Dynon system (george may)
24. 02:10 PM - Re: Zenith-List : 0-235 fuel burn rate ()
25. 03:26 PM - Re: 601 HD power VS speed (eedetail)
26. 04:05 PM - CH 701 Cruise (Jim Burt)
27. 04:51 PM - Re: 701 Rear Access Panel (George Race)
28. 05:01 PM - Re: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS (Craig Payne)
29. 06:22 PM - Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject (Dave Thompson)
30. 06:54 PM - Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject (Jaybannist@cs.com)
31. 08:12 PM - 601XL Fuel System Ponderings (lwhitlow)
32. 10:31 PM - 701 propellers (SockPuppet61)
33. 11:25 PM - Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings (Bryan Martin)
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| Subject: | Re: Great software |
I agree - I am amazed at the content!=0A =0ADave Downey=0A Harleysville (S
E) PA=0A 100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dav
id Mikesell <skyguynca@skyguynca.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASen
t: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:30:38 AM=0ASubject: Zenith-List: Great softw
are=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A =0A=0A=0AOk, here is some pretty good software for t
he =0Aairplane mechanic or even the airplane hobbyist.=0A=0AIt was $22 and
I downloaded or you can get =0Athe cd. It is called the Mechanics toolbox
@ http://www.mechanicsupport.com/TellMeMore1.html and =0Aafter being a mech
anic for my entire life, I find this a great single resource =0Afor anythin
g. I have been playing with it for a week and still amazed at all the =0Ath
ings I find in it. Example Fasternes listed by part number, type with their
=0Astrengths broken down by shear, tension, wear, vibrations.......tons of
info. I =0Awas looking for my Bendix mag book for our Cessna 206 with the
big turbocharged =0ALycoming in it, out mag died and I could not find the p
arts list to order new =0Apoints......guess what it was in the Mechanics To
olbox........guys check out the =0Asoftware. You can download it and check
it out in Demo mode. I believe it is =0Awell worth the money.=0A=0A =0A=0A
=0A=0ADavid Mikesell=0A230 Theresa Drive, =0A#6=0ACloverdale, CA 95425=0A20
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The barrel end with the a notch going around it indicates the side with left hand
threads.
Good luck,
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141070#141070
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Steve,
It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask
them and you'll
resolve this thing faster.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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steve wrote:
> I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with
> the trun buckles.
> Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ?
> I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads.
> Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ??
>
> Steve # 55
> *
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>
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HI STEVE
THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT BOTH W
ILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME.
GLENN
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500> From: larry@macsmachine.com> To: z
enith-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL> > --> Zenith-Li
st message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>> > Steve,> It
sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and ask > the
m and you'll> resolve this thing faster.> > Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.m
acsmachine.com> do not archive> > steve wrote:> > I m installing the contro
l cables in my 601 XL and have a problem with > > the trun buckles.> > Do t
he barrells have a right and left hand thread ?> > I think they do and all
of the "forks and eyes" have right hand threads.> > Am I wrong or did Zenit
=========> > >
_________________________________________________________________
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ilnews
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Thanks to you all for the response. I had the feeling I was right. I
ve always had "fun" with turn buckles. Especially the safety wiring
.....
SW
----- Original Message -----
From: GLENN JOHNSON
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:25 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL
HI STEVE
THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT
BOTH WILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME.
GLENN
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500
> From: larry@macsmachine.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL
>
<larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Steve,
> It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and
ask
> them and you'll
> resolve this thing faster.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> steve wrote:
> > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem
with
> > the trun buckles.
> > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ?
> > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand
threads.
> > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ??
> >
> > Steve # 55
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>=
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon system |
George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and
you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos
it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ?? How big is
the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen
are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel
is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with
?? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors
inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but
I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even
retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs?
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-----Original Message-----
From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders
Larry--
? I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel info.?
I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably
accurate, especially at the low end.? I also have the fuel flow option from Dynon.
I would highly recommend it.? I tend to use it more than the guages.? If
nothing else, it acts as a good cross check
?
Good luck
George May
601XL 912s 163 hours
From: LHusky@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system??
How accurate have you found them??? I want to get the senders bent up,
but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them.?
?
Thanks for the info!
?
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | Re: Great software |
Hi David,
Thanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really
fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there -
very useful. Thanks again for the referral.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: Great software |
Oh it was my pleasure to let you guys know what is out there. I have
probably 15 different catalogs, 10 to 20 different reference
manuals......now there is more information....really useful information
that I can use every day in this program. It is definitely the best use
of $22 I can think of. Heck my mechanics handbook from Aircraft spruce
cost this much and has less than a tenth of the information.
Sorry guess I am just rambling on.
David Mikesell
230 Theresa Drive, #6
Cloverdale, CA 95425
209-224-4485
skyguynca@skyguynca.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: Debo Cox
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Great software
Hi David,
Thanks for the tip on the great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks
really fast after checking out the demo. There's all kinds of great
stuff in there - very useful. Thanks again for the referral.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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Steve,
The end of the turnbarrel with the left hand thread will have a small
groove around it. Obvoiusly, you will need left hand threaded forks or
eyes to screw into the left hand thread end of the barrel.
Jim Hoak
----- Original Message -----
From: GLENN JOHNSON
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: 601 XL
HI STEVE
THE TURN BUCKLES DO NEED TO HAVE RIGHT AND LEFT HAND THREADS SO THAT
BOTH WILL TIGHTEN UP AND LOOSEN AT THE SAME TIME.
GLENN
> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:56:11 -0500
> From: larry@macsmachine.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601 XL
>
<larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Steve,
> It sounds like the wrong parts, but take the time to call Zenith and
ask
> them and you'll
> resolve this thing faster.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> steve wrote:
> > I m installing the control cables in my 601 XL and have a problem
with
> > the trun buckles.
> > Do the barrells have a right and left hand thread ?
> > I think they do and all of the "forks and eyes" have right hand
threads.
> > Am I wrong or did Zenith send me the wrong parts ??
> >
> > Steve # 55
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>=
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 Rear Access Panel |
CH701 builders,
How have some of you added/modified the extra rear fuselage access
panel? Where at? How big? etc... Pictures and links would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Keith
CH701 -- 50% of rear fuselage
N 38.9947
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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I've attached a picture showing the relative sizes of all the popular EFIS
units: AFS, Dynon, GRT, MGL, BMA and Garmin. What is missing is the coming
MGL Stratomaster Voyager which is about the size of the Garmin 600: about 10
by 7 inches.
The image is from the "general" folder in the photos section of the
Stratomaster's user group on Yahoo but the original was posted by Rick
Mellor on the www.vansairforce. <http://www.vansairforce.net> net site.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stratomaster_users_group/
Here are links to each of the manufactures:
AFS: http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/
Dynon: http://www.dynonavionics.com/
GRT: http://www.grtavionics.com/
MGL: http://stratomaster.com/ and http://www.mglavionics.co.za/
BMA: http://www.bluemountainavionics.com/
Garmin: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=153
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Wing dent repair? |
'Mornin wing crafters!
The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the
spar, size of a dinner plate!
Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think.
Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out?
Many thanks,
Dirk
Piketberg SA
ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick)
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| Subject: | Flew an AMD 601XL yesterday |
George asked if I'm happy with the Dynon, upgrades, and support. George,
I'm very happy with the Dynon. Personally, I have a problem with the angle
of attack indicator (see my Blog below for a movie) and can not recommend
the AoA option, but otherwise it is superb. The online support is
excellent. I have received responses to a question within an hour even on
a weekend. They are open with their problems and solutions. Not only are
the software upgrades free, they are easy.
Bill asked why my software upgrade on the D-180 took so long. Bill, some of
us are silly enough to want to backup the old software load just in case.
That *Backup* takes forever, I have a feeling there is a mismatch between
the block read and block transmission size going from the Dynon RAM thru the
Dynon serial port and on through the laptop Serial-to-USB converter we were
using. Blame it on the laptop converter. Yes, the upload of the new
software is speedy and painless.. as long as you don't interrupt it in any
way.
(For Bill and others... the Dynon D-180 that I have (one year old) uses a
serial RS-232 port. You can still find those serial ports on desktop
computers, but they are rare on new laptops. So, you load a USB to serial
converter (made in China by companies with wierd names that include Moon and
Start or similar objects) into your laptop, cross your fingers, and hope you
got all the cable connections right. Or, you just go out onto eBay and buy
an old laptop with a serial port! (recommended!) ) Or, you bring a desktop
PC to the plane or take the Dynon to the desktop. etc. etc.
AMD went so far as to install a serial to USB converter into the airplane.
I can get at the Dynon software port from the front panel USB plug (or is it
a jack?.. who knows with USB!). I recommend bringing out either the serial
connection or a USB connection to the panel!
--
Frank Derfler
-- Daily Discussions of All the Guy Toys that aren't (clearly) illegal or
(blatantly) immoral at my Blog http://MOSTLYFLYING.blogspot.com
- Pilots learn about flights to great places at www.FLYINFLORIDA.COM
-Boaters get the Best Information on Cruising the Florida Keys at
www.KEYSBOATER.com
-For the Best Gifts for Guys see my www.GREATGUYBOOKS.com
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Dirk,
Try dry ice. Once had a C-150 with hail damage; dry ice shrunk the dents back
out to nearly flat with rest of skin.
Like stretching, shrinking need to be done in small increments.
You could hit it with a CO2 fire extinguisher...that'll cool it, but might do the
whole wing.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Great software |
I also immediately bought it and downloaded it (be warned, his end is slow
- about 90 kb/sec). greta stuff.=0A=0AYou will have to install it to a sing
le fixed PC with access to get the updates (software uses registry to allow
updates) but then you can copy the folder onto a CD or thumb drive and car
ry it with you with full functionality! Thanks for the tip Dave.=0A =0ADav
e Downey=0AHarleysville (SE) PA=0A100 HP Corvair=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original
Message ----=0AFrom: Debo Cox <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@m
atronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:26:02 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ze
nith-List: Great software=0A=0A=0AHi David,=0A =0AThanks for the tip on the
great software. I plopped down my $22 bucks really fast after checking out
the demo. There's all kinds of great stuff in there - very useful. Thanks
again for the referral.=0A =0ADebo Cox=0ANags Head, NC=0AScratchbuilt XL/Co
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Steve,
Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where each barrel
had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in. This meant all
the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come as separate pieces?
Just wondering.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done, engine next.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148
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All turn buckles were apart in the finish kit....
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaveG601XL" <david.m.gallagher@ge.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601 XL
>
> Steve,
>
> Just curious, but all my turnbuckles came from ZAC put together, where
> each barrel had the required threaded forks or eyes already threaded in.
> This meant all the right threads were in the right holes. Did yours come
> as separate pieces? Just wondering.
>
> --------
> David Gallagher
> 601 XL, tail and wings completed,
> fueslage almost done, engine next.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141148#141148
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing dent repair? |
I have used "dry ice" and shrunk the aluminum on my pontoon boat.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dirk Slabbert
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:30 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Wing dent repair?
'Mornin wing crafters!
The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind the
spar, size of a dinner plate!
Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think.
Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent
out?
Many thanks,
Dirk
Piketberg SA
ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing dent repair? |
Hi Dirk
Many years ago, I heard that dry ice (frozen CO2) might shrink such
dents. It might not work but probably won't cause any harm.
Paul
XL fuselage
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At 11:30 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote:
>'Mornin wing crafters!
>The spraypainter put a dent in my wing, outboard top skin, behind
>the spar, size of a dinner plate!
>Depth about 1 mm, metal streched I think.
>Does anyone know of a method to shrink it again?! to take the dent out?
>Many thanks,
>Dirk
>Piketberg SA
>ZU SUZ 701 (Wide body, dual stick)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon system |
Bill,=0A The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS a
nd engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Scr
een has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's
seats. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage conv
erter is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation g
uide is available on our website and should answer your other questions.=0A
=0AHope this helps!=0A=0ADan Lykowski=0ADynon Avionics=0A601xl Corvair - Wo
rking on Wings=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "japhillipsga@aol.c
om" <japhillipsga@aol.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday,
October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system =0A=0A
=0AGeorge, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm buildi
ng and you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know
from the photos it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ?
How big is the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches
from the screen are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the R
V-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and
probe kits to work with ? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate wit
h capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I
'm not beating this up, but I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a syste
m that I can't use. I might even retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to ke
ep her and sell the 8 when it's complete. Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601
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Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system
Bill,
??? The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and engine monitor
modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen has a 7" diagonal,
and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's seats. The D180 will
work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage converter is needed. We do
sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guide is available on our
website and should answer your other questions.
Hope this helps!
Dan Lykowski
Dynon Avionics
601xl Corvair - Working on Wings
----- Original Message ----
From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" <japhillipsga@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system
George, I am really looking to put the Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and
you are the first fellow I've come across that's flying one. I know from the photos
it will split screen, but can it mode to just engine info ?? How big is
the screen ? Can you see it in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen
are you eyeballs when seated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel
is about 28 inches. How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with
?? What amp breaker is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors
inside the tanks instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but
I don't want to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even
retro fit my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs?
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders
Larry--
? I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the fuel info.?
I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to be reasonably
accurate, especially at the low end.? I also have the fuel flow option from Dynon.
I would highly recommend it.? I tend to use it more than the guages.? If
nothing else, it acts as a good cross check
?
Good luck
George May
601XL 912s 163 hours
From: LHusky@aol.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Dynon system with XL senders
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dynon system??
How accurate have you found them??? I want to get the senders bent up,
but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get them.?
?
Thanks for the info!
?
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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Bill--
I just got your request for info and see that Dan covered most of your te
chnical questions. In addition let me explain that I'm using the D100 for
my EFIS and the D180 for engine instruments and EFIS backup, so the D180 is
in front of the copilot seat. Absolutely no problem reading anything on t
he screen fron the pilot side. I belive the breaker is 3 amp.
Both instruments are great instruments and I'm really glad I chose them.
George May
601XL 912s
do not archive
n, 22 Oct 2007 16:15:57 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill
do not archive-----Original Message-----From: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737
@yahoo.com>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pmSubje
ct: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system
Bill, The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and
engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen
has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's sea
ts. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage convert
er is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guid
e is available on our website and should answer your other questions.Hope t
his helps!Dan LykowskiDynon Avionics601xl Corvair - Working on Wings
----- Original Message ----From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" <japhillipsga@aol.c
om>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AMSu
bject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system George, I am really looking to put the
Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come
across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but
can it mode to just engine info ? How big is the screen ? Can you see it
in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when se
ated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches.
How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ? What amp break
er is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks
instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want
to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fi
t my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs do not archive-----Origin
al Message-----From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>To: zenith-list@matro
nics.comSent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pmSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon syste
m with XL senders
Larry-- I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the f
uel info. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to
be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel fl
ow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more t
han the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check Good luckGe
orge May601XL 912s 163 hours
From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li
st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list@matronics.com
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno
n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be
nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th
em.
Thanks for the info!
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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Bill--
I just got your request for info and see that Dan covered most of your te
chnical questions. In addition let me explain that I'm using the D100 for
my EFIS and the D180 for engine instruments and EFIS backup, so the D180 is
in front of the copilot seat. Absolutely no problem reading anything on t
he screen fron the pilot side. I belive the breaker is 3 amp.
Both instruments are great instruments and I'm really glad I chose them.
George May
601XL 912s
do not archive
n, 22 Oct 2007 16:15:57 -0400From: japhillipsga@aol.com
Dan, thanks again for helping me out with some info. Bill
do not archive-----Original Message-----From: Dan Lykowski <engineerguy3737
@yahoo.com>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 4:07 pmSubje
ct: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system
Bill, The D180 will split screen or go full screen on both the EFIS and
engine monitor modes. It really is a D100 and a D120 in one box. The Screen
has a 7" diagonal, and can easily be reached and read from the 601xl's sea
ts. The D180 will work with capacitive probes, but a Cap to Voltage convert
er is needed. We do sell them, call for pricing. The D180 installation guid
e is available on our website and should answer your other questions.Hope t
his helps!Dan LykowskiDynon Avionics601xl Corvair - Working on Wings
----- Original Message ----From: "japhillipsga@aol.com" <japhillipsga@aol.c
om>To: zenith-list@matronics.comSent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:38:30 AMSu
bject: Re: Zenith-List: Dynon system George, I am really looking to put the
Dynon 180 in the RV-8a I'm building and you are the first fellow I've come
across that's flying one. I know from the photos it will split screen, but
can it mode to just engine info ? How big is the screen ? Can you see it
in detail ? Approx how many inches from the screen are you eyeballs when se
ated in your XL? Distance in the RV-8a eyeball to panel is about 28 inches.
How was the installation kit and probe kits to work with ? What amp break
er is needed ? Will it operate with capacitor fuel sensors inside the tanks
instead of float senders ? Hope I'm not beating this up, but I don't want
to send a bunch of doe for a system that I can't use. I might even retro fi
t my XL. At this time I plan to keep her and sell the 8 when it's complete.
Best regards, Bill of Georgia 601XL-3300 120 hrs do not archive-----Origin
al Message-----From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>To: zenith-list@matro
nics.comSent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 9:44 pmSubject: RE: Zenith-List: Dynon syste
m with XL senders
Larry-- I'm using the senders supplied by Zenith and a Dynon 180 for the f
uel info. I've had good luck with the combination. The readings appear to
be reasonably accurate, especially at the low end. I also have the fuel fl
ow option from Dynon. I would highly recommend it. I tend to use it more t
han the guages. If nothing else, it acts as a good cross check Good luckGe
orge May601XL 912s 163 hours
From: LHusky@aol.comDate: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:57:04 -0400Subject: Zenith-Li
st: Dynon system with XL senders To: zenith-list@matronics.com
I am wondering how the senders used in the XL fuel tanks work with the Dyno
n system? How accurate have you found them? I want to get the senders be
nt up, but if there is a different system for the Dynon's, I need to get th
em.
Thanks for the info!
Larry Husky
601XL / Corvair
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| Subject: | RE: Zenith-List : 0-235 fuel burn rate |
Hopefully anyone building their own airplane is smart enough to do their own research
rather than base their decisions on a lot of slanted opinions expressed
on this list, but I have to call bullsh*t on this one. I have flown behind an
0-300 in my C-172 for several hundred hours and burn 7.5 gph in 75% power cruise.
Flight training in a C-152 we planned for 6 gph but usually burned 5 - 5.5
gph, due to reduced power for maneuvering. At 75% cruise you can multiply the
rated horsepower of your engine by .5 and be within +/- 5%. Unless you leave
that red mixture knob mashed against the firewall all the time, you will burn
the same amount of fuel for the HP developed regardless of what engine you use.
Fuel injection and electronic ignitions can improve on that 10 - 15% at best.
Unless of course you are using one of those special 100 mpg carburetors.
Craig S.
N601XS, 601xl lyc 0-235, wiring in progress
All-
WW recommends the use of 100LL in his conversions. Therefore, the
biggest savings isn't in the weight of the engine, but the weight of the
fuel you have to drag around.
I used to flight plan at 8gph when I was part owner of a C-152/O235. All
(And recurring) burn data on a WW conversion is in the mid 5's. Figure 6 and
you're still 25% less burn than an O-200/235.
Stock tanks for an XL are 30 gal @ 6lbs per gal. Around 50lbs of built
in dead weight for the O-235. Figure a fraction less for the O-200.
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| Subject: | Re: 601 HD power VS speed |
80 HP Rotax 912UL.
105 mph TAS at about 4900 rpm, 4.7 gph (I figure 5gph)
Note that factory says 75% power at 8000 feet is 5800 rpm, full throttle.
Ivo inflight adjustable 3 blade prop, I will be adding a MAP gage, so more experimentation
is in order.
TimE
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Could the CH 701 drivers on this forum give me some idea of cruise speed. I'm
thinking (dreaming) of an occasional cross country and would like to get some
planning numbers. Also whether equipped with 912 / 912S, or 2200 / 3300 Jabiru.
Thanks, Jim
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| Subject: | RE: 701 Rear Access Panel |
Keith:
Am building the 701 from kit.
Today I cut the rear access panel into the bottom of the fuselage. Has been
planned for some time, finally getting to it as I wanted to run my rudder
light and trim tab wires down through a tube to the front of the fuselage.
Before cutting the hole I did call Roger at Zenith this morning. Wanted to
made absolutely sure that the removing of the bottom skin would not weaken
the fuselage at that point. The only recommendation he made was to make
sure and surround the opening with "L" or "Z" angle to put back some support
for the area. I actually cut and fitted some "U" channel that was 3/4 X 3/4
and it worked out very nice.
I am fitting the opening with a cover plate that will be attached by 10
screws and nut plates. For strength I am doing an inverted install of the
cover plate, that is the "U" channel outlines the opening in the skin. The
cover plate will actually be fastened beyond the "U" channel in all
directions, and fit between the longerons that run down the corner of the
fuselage. Hope that makes sense. Should make a very neat and finished
looking job when it is done.
Tomorrow I am going to drill and install the nut plates and hopefully then
rivet all the pieces into place. Incidentally, I am going to use a "flat"
surface for setting the rivets in the support brackets as they will be under
the cover plate and I though the normal "dome would probably be just a bit
to high.
I will be doing pictures probably tomorrow and would be happy to send some
along for you to see if you wish.
Take care,
George
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| Subject: | Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS |
Well I called Garmin about this and got a different story. About two and
half years ago Garmin started using a new display. The upgrade to the new
display is actually a swap of the whole product and the price is $250. I
believe they can tell whether your unit has the old or new display based on
the serial number. The support guy characterized the new display as "better"
than the old.
If anyone actually gets some type of upgrade for $50 I'd love to hear about
it.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:48 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Upgrade for Garmin 296 Color GPS
Members,
This message is to advise all of you who are using the Garmin Color 296
GPS and having trouble reading the screen because it is not light enough to
compete with the sun. I have one of these units and trying to read it in
bright sun light under a bubble or tear drop canopy is almost impossible. I
just got off the phone with Garmin Electronics and there is a modification
available for the 296 for a fee of $50.00. They will modify the unit to
match the newer GPS units in light intensity so that they are more easily
read. For those of you who are interested, here is the address to send your
unit to for this modification.
Garmin International
1200 East 151 Street
Door 1,
Olathe, Kansas, 66062
Bob Stone
Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL w/Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject |
Guys,
As an IT professional let me make some suggestions:
- BACKUP YOUR COMPUTERS!!!
- If you have a CD and or DVD burner, most of them come with backup
software. If you don't have one, get one. You can get one for under $100.00
and well worth it.
- I always keep ALL my documents in the "My Documents" folder. I burn it on
a CD every month and date the disk.
- Keep any programs that you load. If a hard disk fails, you can re-load the
software and copy your "My Documents" back and you have recovered the
failure.
Hint;
Do a search for "Favorites" and copy it to "My Documents before you back it
up. Upon restore, copy it back to where it came from and you won't loose all
your favorite websites.
I hope none of you experience a hard failure. However, BE PREPAIRED!
Dave Thompson
Dave.thompson@verizon.net
Do not archive
P.S. If any of you want additional information, feel free to write me off
line.
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| Subject: | Re: Hard Drive FailureHard Drive Failure - off subject |
Another hint: I use my laptop as backup for my desktop and vise versa. I keep
them up to date DAILY.
I learned this the hard way. My desktop was stolen during a burglary at my office
while I was away on business. I had my laptop with me, which saved my bacon
(and my business). I've had a hard drive crash since then and the laptop came
through again.
Jay in Dallas 601XL N2630J
"Dave Thompson" <dave.thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
>Guys,
>
>
>
>As an IT professional let me make some suggestions:
>
>
>
>- BACKUP YOUR COMPUTERS!!!
>
>
>
>- If you have a CD and or DVD burner, most of them come with backup
>software. If you don't have one, get one. You can get one for under $100.00
>and well worth it.
>
>
>
>- I always keep ALL my documents in the "My Documents" folder. I burn it on
>a CD every month and date the disk.
>
>
>
>- Keep any programs that you load. If a hard disk fails, you can re-load the
>software and copy your "My Documents" back and you have recovered the
>failure.
>
>
>
>Hint;
>
>
>
>Do a search for "Favorites" and copy it to "My Documents before you back it
>up. Upon restore, copy it back to where it came from and you won't loose all
>your favorite websites.
>
>
>
>I hope none of you experience a hard failure. However, BE PREPAIRED!
>
>
>
>Dave Thompson
>
>Dave.thompson@verizon.net
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>P.S. If any of you want additional information, feel free to write me off
>line.
>
>
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| Subject: | 601XL Fuel System Ponderings |
Ok , I've got the all of the tail, control surfaces, flap and wings built, and
I'm currently working on the aft fuselage. I always like to think about things
down the road and this one has me second guessing myself.
I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a Facet fuel pump
in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the pump and the fuel lines
via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R is possible without opening up the
LE but it would not be a lot of fun. A few issues have popped to mind
1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the fuel lines (rubber
from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4 years old. Should I consider
something else??? Maybe Braided Steel like on a higher performance auto
engine??? I should note I have not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access
would be easy right now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps
before I rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the Facet
pumps.
2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the cabin just after
the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank. Makes for easy inspection
and replacement as necessary. Good Idea??? Bad Idea???
3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the kit??? How long
does it last in service???? I an planning to use metal lines in the cabin, so
the only rubber lines are in the wing right now.
4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of the cabin. I've
seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall with only the QD valve exposed.
Thoughts????
Thats enough for now But my next question involves eliminating all steam gauges
and only installing a Dynon EMS and EFIS but thats a whole 'nother bag of worms
[Shocked]
Thanks
Larry Whitlow
601XL in Indiana
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There's a propeller manufacturer that does an in-flight adjustable propeller. I'm
not sure if it's electric or what -- it's not the hydraulic kind requiring
oil from the engine.
Maybe more than one manufacturer has such propellers.
Anyone have experience with them? Positive? Negative?
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Fuel System Ponderings |
1. The Facet pumps need to be connected with some kind of flexible
line due to vibration issues. The same is true of the connection
between the firewall and engine. The neoprene lines will eventually
have to be replaced, so make sure they are accessible. Braided steel
lines are probably overkill for use inside the wings. Braided steel
may help protect the lines from the heat in the engine compartment,
but so will putting fire-sleeve over the rubber lines for a lot less
money.
2. I would put the filter downstream from the gascolator so any water
in the lines will end up in the gascolator bowl instead of the
filter. Putting the filters downstream from the pumps is a good idea,
it will reduce the likelihood of vapor lock.
4. the fuel lines should slope downhill all the way to the gascolator
and then uphill to the engine. That way any water in the lines will
naturally tend to drain into the bowl and not get trapped in the
lines. As long as the gascolator is at the lowest point in the fuel
system, you should be OK.
>
> I plan to install a Jabiru 3300 and when I built the wings I put a
> Facet fuel pump in each wing between NR 2 and 3. I can inspect the
> pump and the fuel lines via the access hole shown on the plans. R&R
> is possible without opening up the LE but it would not be a lot of
> fun. A few issues have popped to mind
>
> 1. By the time I get this 700+ pounds of aluminum in the air, the
> fuel lines (rubber from the kit) installed in the wings will be 4
> years old. Should I consider something else??? Maybe Braided Steel
> like on a higher performance auto engine??? I should note I have
> not final riveted the LE skin yet, so access would be easy right
> now. I plan to fill the tanks with fuel and run the pumps before I
> rivet the LE to check for leaks and to verify good operation of the
> Facet pumps.
>
> 2. I plan to put a inline filter on each tank on the inside of the
> cabin just after the a fitting in the skin coming from the tank.
> Makes for easy inspection and replacement as necessary. Good
> Idea??? Bad Idea???
>
> 3. What is the shelf life of the fuel line that comes with the
> kit??? How long does it last in service???? I an planning to use
> metal lines in the cabin, so the only rubber lines are in the wing
> right now.
>
> 4. I really don't like the gascolator poking through the floor of
> the cabin. I've seen pics of other's mounting it on the firewall
> with only the QD valve exposed. Thoughts????
>
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Bryan Martin
N61BM, CH 601 XL,
RAM Subaru, Stratus redrive.
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