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1. 12:34 AM - Waiting for flycorvair parts. Am I the only one? (Donnald Shimoto)
2. 02:43 AM - Roll over protection (Bob Unternaehrer)
3. 02:56 AM - Re: Re: of wrath and rants... (Bob Unternaehrer)
4. 04:04 AM - Re: Roll over protection (MacDonald Doug)
5. 04:28 AM - Re: Roll over protection (Bob Unternaehrer)
6. 05:46 AM - Taildragger (Brad Cohen)
7. 06:45 AM - Re: Taildragger (Bill Sewell)
8. 06:45 AM - Re: Intellectual Property and Airplane Parts. (n801bh@netzero.com)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: 601XL ELT position (Bryan Martin)
10. 07:35 AM - Re:Roll over protection (MaxNr@aol.com)
11. 07:51 AM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (kevinbonds)
12. 08:45 AM - Re: Intellectual Property and Airplane Parts. (Gig Giacona)
13. 09:47 AM - Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend (DaveG601XL)
14. 10:03 AM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools ()
15. 11:11 AM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Keith Ashcraft)
16. 11:23 AM - Cost of scratch build versus kit build (RaStacey)
17. 01:17 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (MacDonald Doug)
18. 02:04 PM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Al Hays)
19. 02:12 PM - Dual in a 701 (george.mueller@aurora.org)
20. 03:28 PM - Re: Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend (NYTerminat@aol.com)
21. 04:06 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (Art Olechowski)
22. 04:21 PM - Monday Night is Chat night (leinad)
23. 04:30 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (leinad)
24. 04:38 PM - Tonights chat (MacDonald Doug)
25. 04:40 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (John Bolding)
26. 04:59 PM - Re: Taildragger (Bob Unternaehrer)
27. 05:00 PM - Re: Taildragger (Bob Unternaehrer)
28. 05:00 PM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Bryan Martin)
29. 05:07 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (Art Olechowski)
30. 05:19 PM - Re: Scam artist (Despraci)
31. 05:22 PM - Re: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Art Olechowski)
32. 05:33 PM - Re: Dual in a 701 (NYTerminat@aol.com)
33. 06:06 PM - Rudder Nose Skin (Art Olechowski)
34. 06:11 PM - Ring engine mount 701 (Graeme)
35. 06:17 PM - Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles (dfmoeller)
36. 06:42 PM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (William Dominguez)
37. 07:51 PM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Ron Lendon)
38. 08:31 PM - Free forming sheet metal (Ron Lendon)
39. 08:39 PM - Re: Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles (Jeff)
40. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Scam artist (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
41. 09:07 PM - Re: Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
42. 09:19 PM - Re: Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles (mosquito56)
43. 09:32 PM - Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (mosquito56)
44. 09:32 PM - 701 Build time (Dan)
45. 09:36 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (mosquito56)
46. 10:17 PM - Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build (TxDave)
47. 10:19 PM - Re: 701 Build time (John Marzulli)
48. 10:53 PM - Re: RE : Re: Scratchbuilding Tools (Sean Moore)
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| Subject: | Waiting for flycorvair parts. Am I the only one? |
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| Subject: | Roll over protection |
<<<When it folds, the plane ususally noses over onto its back,>>>
I'm wondering why Zenith doesn't recognize this and put in "roll over
protection?
bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: dredmoody@cox.net
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 601XL ELT position
The main gear isn't likely to collapse..... bend, maybe but colapse?
The ELT in that case isn't going to be very helpful, if you get my
drift.
What will collapse in an off-field landing (crash) is usually the
nosegear.
When it folds, the plane ususally noses over onto its back, hence the
external antenna on the bottom would now be facing up.
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| Subject: | Re: of wrath and rants... |
AMEN, and AMEN
----- Original Message -----
From: RClaggf4u
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: of wrath and rants...
I'm going to make this short and sweet, I know what I signed when I
sent my buyer agreement in. Even if I hadn't signed an agreement I
wouldn't be so low as to make money off the sweat of others. I drove
1400 miles in a three day period to visit the Zenith factory. After
visiting with them I have a much greater appreciation for the folks
there. They are feeding their families out of that factory. I
scratchbuilt my 701 because I didn't have the money to buy the kit but
when I needed something I turned to them first. Nothing I ordered took
more than TWO working days to get.
With that said, I have been asked all month for a donation to support
this list. In 13 months of building I have been helped ONE time but
still enjoyed reading some of the posts. But I will no longer pay to
read this crap. I'll be over on the Yahoo group until this B.S. starts
there. Matt, I hate it for you as I know you mean well and it is a lot
of work but I can't pay to support this. Man, what is the world coming
to?
Wayne
In a message dated 11/18/07 13:17:30 Eastern Standard Time,
wr.giacona@suddenlink.net writes:
<wr.giacona@suddenlink.net>
>From the buyer agreement that was signed when I bought my plans.
2. This contract permits the buyer to build one (1) airplane (or
part of it) for recreational and educational purposes only. The type of
aircraft and the Drawings serial
number must be visibly marked on the vertical tail or fuselage sides
of the aircraft. The buyer is advised that the Drawings, Manuals, and/or
parts contain proprietary
rights. The buyer covenants and agrees that he will not: a)
Reproduce, b) Communicate, c) Transfer, sell, exchange or modify them or
any part of them, d) Permit
any other person to use said drawings, manual, and/or parts, without
the written permission of the Company. The sole purpose of the plans,
drawings, manuals, and
parts is strictly educational and there is no implied or expressed
warranty. During the construction the buyer is to cause the structure
and installations to be
inspected and approved by the relevant government and/or aviation
authority (FAA) prior to registration in the Custom-Built, Experimental,
Ultralight, etc. category.
The Buyer agrees to notify the Company in writing immediately of the
sale of any Drawings and Manuals, parts, components, or kit, whether
completed or not,
supplying the complete name and address of the new owner(s).
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146911#146911
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| Subject: | Re: Roll over protection |
Bob, Several 601s have nosed over through the years.
Typically the rudder supports the plane while upside
down. Mark had a pic on ch-601.org of a plane flipped
in a windstorm being supported by the rudder and there
was a news story recently about a forced lading in a
field that the rudder held up well too.
As for the 701/801, well they have the wings overhead
so that should be adaqaute.
Hope this clarifies things a bit but this statement
might still get another long term debate started.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do not archive
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@mcmsys.com> wrote:
> <<<When it folds, the plane ususally noses over onto
> its back,>>>
>
> I'm wondering why Zenith doesn't recognize this and
> put in "roll over protection?
>
> bob U.
>
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
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| Subject: | Re: Roll over protection |
ONE point of view, I just don't want to risk my life on that flemsy
little rudder. In their defense there are a lot of other low wingers
that don't have sufficient ROPS, but I don't have to fly one either
without a ROPS. I'm not even sure if you could get out even if the
rudder should support the plane. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: MacDonald Doug
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Roll over protection
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Bob, Several 601s have nosed over through the years.
Typically the rudder supports the plane while upside
down. Mark had a pic on ch-601.org of a plane flipped
in a windstorm being supported by the rudder and there
was a news story recently about a forced lading in a
field that the rudder held up well too.
As for the 701/801, well they have the wings overhead
so that should be adaqaute.
Hope this clarifies things a bit but this statement
might still get another long term debate started.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do not archive
--- Bob Unternaehrer <shilocom@mcmsys.com> wrote:
> <<<When it folds, the plane ususally noses over onto
> its back,>>>
>
> I'm wondering why Zenith doesn't recognize this and
> put in "roll over protection?
>
> bob U.
>
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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I was just getting started on the rear fuselage when a cold chill ran down
my spine, I realized that the blueprints I was folliowing were for the
tricycle version. A quick check revealed that I didn't receive the TD
blueprint page with the parts shipment.
Thankfully I have not progressed too far. (just now installing the bottom
skin l-angles.) How soon do I need to start considering the taildragger
specific changes? the photo guide is really not too clear on when to make
the changes.
I am also replacing all the A4's with A5's in the rear fuselage. Any other
suggestions?
-Brad Cohen
XL/TD
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Brad,
As I remember, the only change on the bottom rear fuselage assembly had to
do with the lower rudder hinge plate. You don't drill the center hole for
the rear tie down eye bolt. The more significant changes start when you
begin work on the forward fuselage floor.
Take a look at my web site for some pictures.
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Rear_Fuselage/082804.htm
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Rear_Fuselage/090204.htm
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Cabin_Floor/092904a.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 11/19/07, Brad Cohen <bradfnp@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was just getting started on the rear fuselage when a cold chill ran down
> my spine, I realized that the blueprints I was folliowing were for the
> tricycle version. A quick check revealed that I didn't receive the TD
> blueprint page with the parts shipment.
>
> Thankfully I have not progressed too far. (just now installing the bottom
> skin l-angles.) How soon do I need to start considering the taildragger
> specific changes? the photo guide is really not too clear on when to make
> the changes.
>
> I am also replacing all the A4's with A5's in the rear fuselage. Any other
> suggestions?
>
> -Brad Cohen
> XL/TD
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Intellectual Property and Airplane Parts. |
Well, that certainly leaves the Savannah in a VERY gray area in terms of
knocking off the Zenith 701....
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- JohnDRead@aol.com wrote:
There is another class of patent and that is patents of design. These pa
tents are granted for the "look" of a product so I believe that if one w
ere to copy any part of a Zenith design it is possible that there is inf
ringement. Just my opinion as a retired engineer with several of these t
ypes of patent. John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL ELT position |
I have my ELT antenna mounted to the gusset at the front corner of the
baggage shelf with the antenna whip curving around just behind the
passenger seat under the canopy. That way I figure, if the cabin
survives the crash, so will the ELT antenna. If I'm not badly injured in
the crash, I can always take the ELT out and attach the telescoping
antenna and set it up on higher ground or somewhere it will have a
better chance of being received.
MacDonald Doug wrote:
>
> Leo, I'm no expert so take this for what is worth.
>
> BUT... isn't the ELT antenna supposed to go on the top
> side of the fuselage so that it can broadcast in the
> event of a crash. Being on the bottom of the fuse,
> would it not get knocked off in the event of a crash
> that collapses the gear?
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re:Roll over protection |
Bob, I share your concern. Its folly to trust yours and your loved one's
lives to a couple of rudder hinges that were never intended to be "roll over
protection." I am sketching out some (possibly futile) ideas for a 1" 4130
structure that I hope I can attach to structure at the bottom of my project. Slow
going so far as I'm not an engineer. That does not take away from the importance.
I have witnessed two nose overs in my lifetime. One a Cub and one a sailplane.
No injuries because they happened in slow motion. However, an airshow pilot
that I respected was killed a few years ago in a nose over because the roll
over structure had been remove shortly before the accident. My tractor has a R.
O. P. because its mandated.
Bob Dingley, Pace FL
XL ,Starting on wings
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Scratchbuilding Tools |
The Olpha knife has a sort of hooked blade. It is actually meant for
scoring
plexiglass. You can actually find this sort of thing at Home Depot or
anywhere they sell plexiglass.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
<http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds>
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Unternaehrer
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or some special kind
razor
blade knife or something else. I use a shear for mine but have used
razor
blade knifes for hose siding work. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Art <mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net> Olechowski
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
<ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks Jean-Paul I will do so.
Art
--- Jean-Paul Roy <royjp@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch
building. The scene is made
> by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife using a
strait edge.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
> royjp@yahoo.ca
> T=E9l: (819)949-2216
> Cell:(819)629-9360
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| Subject: | Re: Intellectual Property and Airplane Parts. |
In the case of Zenith it is the copyright law and contract law that is in play.
If you have a set of plans from Zenith you signed a contract. If you have a set
from somewhere else there is probably a copyright violation and/or contract
violation somewhere in the mix.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147116#147116
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| Subject: | Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend |
Jabiru held a very informative Zenith 601/Jabiru FWF seminar this past weekend
at the Jabiru USA facility in TN. I had a good time and got to meet some fellow
Matronic's posters there. My thanks to seminar leaders, Pete Krotje and Mark
Stauffer, who were very patient with us as well as Don Guice, who's airplane
we used as the guinea pig. Jon Croke was also there filming for an updated
Homebuilt Help 101 video on this topic. One of the things I was interested in
seeing was the dual throttle set-up. The latest ZAC firewall design requires
some slight modifications in the way the cross-rod installation is performed
on the top shelf. Nothing major, but you have to work around the front shelf
L-brackets and the U-channel on the back side. Look for updates from Jabiru in
the near future. We also went over the new oil cooler installation. I understand
that new instructions hit the Jabiru web site just last week. Attached
are a few pictures I took during the class as well as a shot of Don and his airplane
loaded into a 30' Penske truck.
--------
David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=147134#147134
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
$8.48? Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole lo
t less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.=0A=0APaul Rod
riguez=0A ----- Original Message ----- =0A From: Al Hays<mailt
o:alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> =0A To: zenith-list@matronics.c
om<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com> =0A Sent: Sunday, November 18
, 2007 7:58 PM=0A Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuildi
<alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com<mailto:alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.c
om>>=0A=0A Bob,=0A=0A I found it online at OLFABLADES.CO
M and got extra blades and another =0A knife to get more bang for
buck on the shipping cost. It is listed as =0A a heavy-duty plast
ic/laminate cutter with a current Sale Price of =0A $8.48. Their m
inimum order has to be $15 and shipping would be about $8 =0A for
that. Of course, today it would cost me that much in gas to drive
=0A to a store which might carry an OLFA knife. Hope this helps.
=0A=0A Al=0A=0A On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehr
er wrote:=0A=0A > I know the number. just wondering what it was
Our country hardware =0A > store doesn't have one.=0A >> ---
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th-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>=0A >> Sent
: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:31 PM=0A >> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Ze
nith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools=0A >>=0A >> Bob, it is the OL
FA P-800. You can find it it most hardware stores.=0A >>=0A >>
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Here is a picture of the type of "Scoring" blade I use. You can get it at H
ome Depot, but... in the carpet department, is where I found it. The pictur
e is of the Bottom Skin CH701, 0.016". I like to score at least 1/2 x thick
ness of material. Example for the 0.016" I would score it at least 8 times,
maybe 9 times. At least try to score about halfway through. You will find
that you remove about 1-2 mills of material every pass of the blade. It sho
uld curl up and almost look like a little ball-point spring. (At least mine
do)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/viewPhoto?uname=ch701builder&aid=5125349
983326967585&iid=5125354050660998706
Keith
CH701 - scratch - working on rear fuselage
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kevinbonds wrote:
The Olpha knife has a sort of hooked blade. It is actually meant for scorin
g plexiglass. You can actually find this sort of thing at Home Depot or any
where they sell plexiglass.
Kevin Bonds
Nashville TN
601XL Plans building.
http://home.comcast.net/~kevinbonds<http://home.comcast.net/%7Ekevinbonds>
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From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-serve
r@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Bob Unternaehrer
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
Is an OLPHA knife simply a "razor blade knife" or some special kind razor b
lade knife or something else. I use a shear for mine but have used razor b
lade knifes for hose siding work. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Art Olechowski<mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
mailto:ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>>
Thanks Jean-Paul I will do so.
Art
--- Jean-Paul Roy <royjp@yahoo.ca<mailto:royjp@yahoo.ca>> wrote:
> Art, take a look at the DVD from Homebuilthelp dot com about scratch buil
ding. The scene is made
> by David Barth (if I recall) about cutting with an Olpha knife using a st
rait edge.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
>
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
> royjp@yahoo.ca<mailto:royjp@yahoo.ca>
> T?l: (819)949-2216
> Cell:(819)629-9360
>
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| Subject: | Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
I was wondering what it would cost in materials to scratch build a 701
versus buying a kit at $13k. Where is the best place to purchase
materials. I live in Newfoundland Canada with no supply companies in the
province.
Thanks Robert Stacey
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
Hi Robert, welcome to the group. You have asked a
very involved question. The finished price of a kit
built plane is hard to compair to the finished price
of a scratch built plane because the scratch builder
tends to add spend more in some area and save money in
others. It is safe to say though that you will save
some money.
I am also from Canada but have the advantage of living
right on the Can/US border. I arranged to have my
metals orders shipped to the town on the US side of
the line and then I go pick it up. Most of my parts
so far have come from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty.
They do have a distributor in Canada but I have
personally never ordered from them.
Hope this helps a bit
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
--- RaStacey <rastacey@nl.rogers.com> wrote:
> I was wondering what it would cost in materials to
> scratch build a 701 versus buying a kit at $13k.
> Where is the best place to purchase materials. I
> live in Newfoundland Canada with no supply companies
> in the province.
>
> Thanks Robert Stacey
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Paul,
No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware
stores in my area. Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last
time I trekked to town. They all carry various types of utility knives
which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any
quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks. I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware
would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good
that you and others in your area can take advantage of that.
Al
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM, <paulrod36@msn.com> wrote:
> $8.48? Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole
> lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Al Hays
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
>>
>> <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I found it online at OLFABLADES.COM and got extra blades and another
>> knife to get more bang for buck on the shipping cost. It is listed as
>> a heavy-duty plastic/laminate cutter with a current Sale Price of
>> $8.48. Their minimum order has to be $15 and shipping would be about
>> $8
>> for that. Of course, today it would cost me that much in gas to drive
>> to a store which might carry an OLFA knife. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>>
>> > I know the number. just wondering what it was. Our country hardware
>> > store doesn't have one.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Carlos Sa
>> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:31 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
>> >>
>> >> Bob, it is the OLFA P-800. You can find it it most hardware stores.
>> >>==============================================p; -- Please
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I am basically finished with my 701 and my insurance company says I need
an hour of dual in a 701 before the first flight. Does anyone know of
anybody instructing in a 701?
George in Milwaukee
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend |
Dave, was Mister sock there too????
In a message dated 11/19/2007 12:48:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david.m.gallagher@ge.com writes:
Jon Croke was also there filming for an updated Homebuilt Help 101 video on
this topic.
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
Robert,
I think most will agree the 701 airfarme can be completed for 1/2 to 2/3 of the
kit cost.
Art
--- RaStacey <rastacey@nl.rogers.com> wrote:
> I was wondering what it would cost in materials to scratch build a 701 versus
buying a kit at
> $13k. Where is the best place to purchase materials. I live in Newfoundland
Canada with no
> supply companies in the province.
>
> Thanks Robert Stacey
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| Subject: | Monday Night is Chat night |
http://sudbury.iahu.ca:8000/chat/
B_there || B*B
8:00 PM EST
Dempsey601XL
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
Robert,
As a plans builder of a 601 I can tell you it will cost a lot more time than the
kit. Not only does it take time to make the parts, but takes lots of time to
locate and purchase the materials. I can probably double the building time
of a standard kit.
Dan Dempsey
[quote="ablebob"]I was wondering what it would cost in materials to scratch build
a 701 versus buying a kit at $13k. Where is the best place to purchase materials.
I live in Newfoundland Canada with no supply companies in the province.
Thanks Robert Stacey
> [b]
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Hey guys, can someone get me the link to tonight's
Zenith Chat, I'm on my work laptop and don't have the
link saved.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch builder
NW Ontaio, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
Mine will come in at less than 1/2 LOW&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Art Olechowski" <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cost of scratch build versus kit build
> <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Robert,
> I think most will agree the 701 airfarme can be completed for 1/2 to 2/3
> of the kit cost.
>
>
> Art
> --- RaStacey <rastacey@nl.rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what it would cost in materials to scratch build a 701
>> versus buying a kit at
>> $13k. Where is the best place to purchase materials. I live in
>> Newfoundland Canada with no
>> supply companies in the province.
>>
>> Thanks Robert Stacey
>
>
>
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There doesn't seem to be any photo guide for the taildragger version and
there are 3 pages of modifications that I paid $40 for. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Cohen
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Taildragger
I was just getting started on the rear fuselage when a cold chill ran
down
my spine, I realized that the blueprints I was folliowing were for the
tricycle version. A quick check revealed that I didn't receive the TD
blueprint page with the parts shipment.
Thankfully I have not progressed too far. (just now installing the
bottom
skin l-angles.) How soon do I need to start considering the
taildragger
specific changes? the photo guide is really not too clear on when to
make
the changes.
I am also replacing all the A4's with A5's in the rear fuselage. Any
other
suggestions?
-Brad Cohen
XL/TD
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My plans built fuselage I bought has the tie down ring already
installed. i haven't started on the taildragger mods yet or studied the
drawings. Wonder if I've got a lot to change. Bob U.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Sewell
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Taildragger
Brad,
As I remember, the only change on the bottom rear fuselage assembly
had to do with the lower rudder hinge plate. You don't drill the center
hole for the rear tie down eye bolt. The more significant changes start
when you begin work on the forward fuselage floor.
Take a look at my web site for some pictures.
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Rear_Fuselage/082804.htm
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Rear_Fuselage/090204.htm
http://n601bz.com/ch601xl/Fuselage/Cabin_Floor/092904a.htm
Bill Sewell
N601BZ
On 11/19/07, Brad Cohen <bradfnp@msn.com> wrote:
I was just getting started on the rear fuselage when a cold chill
ran down
my spine, I realized that the blueprints I was folliowing were for
the
tricycle version. A quick check revealed that I didn't receive the
TD
blueprint page with the parts shipment.
Thankfully I have not progressed too far. (just now installing the
bottom
skin l-angles.) How soon do I need to start considering the
taildragger
specific changes? the photo guide is really not too clear on when to
make
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
A Stanley utility knife works very well also. Just score the metal along
a straight line and snap it off over a sharp corner.
Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
> I know the number. just wondering what it was. Our country hardware
> store doesn't have one.
>
--
Bryan Martin
Zenith 601XL N61BM
Ram Subaru, Stratus redrive
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
Thats great to here, the real answer is really dependent on many variables but
this is a good
generic figure for most.
Art
--- John Bolding <jnbolding1@teleshare.net> wrote:
>
> Mine will come in at less than 1/2 LOW&SLO John
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Art Olechowski" <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cost of scratch build versus kit build
>
>
> > <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
> >
> > Robert,
> > I think most will agree the 701 airfarme can be completed for 1/2 to 2/3
> > of the kit cost.
> >
> >
> > Art
> > --- RaStacey <rastacey@nl.rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I was wondering what it would cost in materials to scratch build a 701
> >> versus buying a kit at
> >> $13k. Where is the best place to purchase materials. I live in
> >> Newfoundland Canada with no
> >> supply companies in the province.
> >>
> >> Thanks Robert Stacey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Just for everybody's information. I also placed an order with Tom. It also has
been delayed for a considerable amount of time. I did make an effort to try and
get in direct contact with him and verify that he does indeed exist.
Since I don't live anywhere close to Oregon I had to enlist the help of the local
police department. I can assure anybody that has an order in with Mr Henderson,
he did not take your money and run.
I probably went a little overboard. But after 2 months of very little contact I
was getting worried myself, not only for myself, but the account holder whom
I wired the money too. An officer stopped by his residence and confirmed that
he is working on the order unfortunately got behind due to an illness in his family.
The parts I did get from Tom before things got delayed do look good and as described.
I am sure that the rest will look just the same. He seems to take pride
in his work. I definitely think he needs to work on the communication a little
more, but I think in time he could prove himself as a quality provider and alternative
source for parts.
And I'm still willing to give him the chance to make everything right. I know other
leading authorities in this experimental industry that take some times twice
as long to send parts, and yet are still looked upon as the only acceptable
supplier.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Thanks to all that have replied to my question about how to make some long straight
cuts of
aluminum. I had no idea of what an P-800 Olfa knife was until this list (we used
hyd shears in
school). Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I will be getting that DVD too Mark.
do not archive
Art
--- ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> Art, not to be forward, but you are starting on a great adventure by
> scratch building your plane. In this you will have a lot of learning,
> most people who start this say great things about HYPERLINK
> "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/"www.homebuilthelp.com 's DVD HYPERLINK
> "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/Scratch.htm"Scratch Building Basics for
> Metal Aircraft
>
> HYPERLINK "http://www.homebuilthelp.com/Scratch.htm" I would like to
> suggest that you pick this one up, it will show you how to use the Olfa
> knife and many other questions you will have along the way. The
> unfortunate part is the two guys doing the DVD are in no way actors and
> you will be faced with having to watch them for 3 hours. Nevertheless,
> you will learn a lot in a short time. In fact I would guarantee that if
> you did not learn anything I will cover the cost of the DVD personally.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started
> HYPERLINK "http://www.ch601.org"www.ch601.org / HYPERLINK
> "http://www.ch701.com"www.ch701.com/ HYPERLINK
> "http://www.Osprey2.com"www.Osprey2.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Art
> Olechowski
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:43 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Scratchbuilding Tools
>
> <ifly4fun2@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I've considered someone with a shear cutting it as well and this is
> definitely an option.
> I think I will start with the Olfa knife and go from there.
> Thanks for your input.
>
> do not archive
> Art
> --- Bryan Ekholm <bryanekholm@excite.com> wrote:
>
> <bryanekholm@excite.com>
> >
> > It's probably too late for you to do this, but I had the aluminum
> supply shop shear my wing spar
> > webs, the flaperon pieces, and slat parts to the exact dimension from
> the 12' sheet. They
> > charged $5 per cut. The Olfa knife works well too.
> >
> > Bryan Ekholm
> >
> > --------
> > Bryan Ekholm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=146651#146651
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
>
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> 11/16/2007 10:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Dual in a 701 |
George,
Speak with Roger at Zenith, he can get you time in the plane that will
satisfy your insurance co.
In a message dated 11/19/2007 5:15:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
george.mueller@aurora.org writes:
I am basically finished with my 701 and my insurance company says I need an
hour of dual in a 701 before the first flight. Does anyone know of anybody
instructing in a 701?
George in Milwaukee
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| Subject: | Rudder Nose Skin |
He all I have a dilemma with my nose skin on the rudder. When I drilled the holes
through spar
and nose skin I confirmed that both nose rib tips were flush with inside of the
skin. But when I
overlapped the nose skin on top the rear skin and clecoed in place both nose ribs
contain about a
1.5mm gap in between the skin. Both ribs have all the holes drilled in flanges.
Have any of you
experienced this and if so whats are the resolutions or recommendations?
Thanks,
Art
701 Scratch builder .0005% Complete
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| Subject: | Ring engine mount 701 |
I have just purchased the latest 701 plans I thought the ring mount plans
would be includes.
Unfortunatly Zenith has no plans for ring mount .
Has anyone drawn a plan for ring mount,
I have a std mount 912 and have some vibration.
when I build my new plane I want ring mount,
Graemecns
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| Subject: | Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles |
I'm placing an order for some parts from Zenith and realized, there seems to be
a discrepancy (or I'm looking in the wrong place).
Page 6B1 lists 6 pieces of Z-angle required. For the life of me, I can't see where
more than 4 pieces are required (around the bottom hatch). Where else is
this stuff used?
Someone straighten this confused soul out, please.
Doug
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
Check in art/craft supply stores. None of my local hardware stores carry the Olfa
P-800 but most of the craft stores do.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
Paul,
No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware
stores in my area. Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last
time I trekked to town. They all carry various types of utility knives
which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any
quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks. I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware
would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good
that you and others in your area can take advantage of that.
Al
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM,
wrote:
> $8.48? Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole
> lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.
>
> Paul Rodriguez
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Al Hays
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I found it online at OLFABLADES.COM and got extra blades and another
>> knife to get more bang for buck on the shipping cost. It is listed as
>> a heavy-duty plastic/laminate cutter with a current Sale Price of
>> $8.48. Their minimum order has to be $15 and shipping would be about
>> $8
>> for that. Of course, today it would cost me that much in gas to drive
>> to a store which might carry an OLFA knife. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Al
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
>>
>> > I know the number. just wondering what it was. Our country hardware
>> > store doesn't have one.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Carlos Sa
>> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:31 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
>> >>
>> >> Bob, it is the OLFA P-800. You can find it it most hardware stores.
>> >>==============================================p; -- Please
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
I have to agree with all, the Olfa knife and a shear cut edge is the best straight
line cut.
I will make a page of the tools on my kit log site. Here is a view of one of the
setups but I forgot to take a picture of the actual cutting process.
http://mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=rlendon&project=113&category=0&log=21003&row=288
You will see that though in the Home Built videos.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Free forming sheet metal |
A friend asked if I could make a scoop to replace the one on his 1946 Fairchild.
I used a shot bag, english wheel, planishing hammer and various hammers to
shape a flat piece of .040 6061-T6. Here is a link to some pictures of the first
attempt.
http://picasaweb.google.com/ron.lendon/FoxFairchild
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Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
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| Subject: | Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles |
Doug,
I think you are talking about the Standard L angles. If so, I found
that I needed some for things not in my 601 HD plans like the separate
structure required to mount my 406 ELT, a center console, to line the access
panels, to double the aileron horn, and miscellaneous added structures.
While the price of a four foot piece seems quite expensive, I'm glad I had
extra around.
Jeff Davidson
Page 6B1 lists 6 pieces of Z-angle required. For the life of me, I can't
see where more than 4 pieces are required (around the bottom hatch). Where
else is this stuff used?
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Well I can tell you now that the local police won't do anything first of all
but after contacting the internet fraud department they sure were
interested. I have a long list of people that have been ripped of by this scum
bag and
Tom should know the wheels are in motion and it is just a matter of time.
And Tom because I know you read this list this is for you.... I invite your
law suite for slander, I don't make idol threats I do what I say.
I also don't give this story much credit since you didn't sign your name to
it and I know for a fact to many others have been ripped off to believe you
are the one person that got your parts.
I would also like to apologize to the list for this rant but if other
builders weren't being ripped off I wouldn't post it here. If you don't think it
should be here just delete it when you see it but I now know from talking to
others it does have a place here like it or not.
Jeff
In a message dated 11/19/2007 8:20:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
desperado97@yahoo.com writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Despraci" <desperado97@yahoo.com>
Just for everybody's information. I also placed an order with Tom. It also
has been delayed for a considerable amount of time. I did make an effort to
try and get in direct contact with him and verify that he does indeed exist.
Since I don't live anywhere close to Oregon I had to enlist the help of the
local police department. I can assure anybody that has an order in with Mr
Henderson, he did not take your money and run.
I probably went a little overboard. But after 2 months of very little
contact I was getting worried myself, not only for myself, but the account holder
whom I wired the money too. An officer stopped by his residence and confirmed
that he is working on the order unfortunately got behind due to an illness in
his family.
The parts I did get from Tom before things got delayed do look good and as
described. I am sure that the rest will look just the same. He seems to take
pride in his work. I definitely think he needs to work on the communication a
little more, but I think in time he could prove himself as a quality provider
and alternative source for parts.
And I'm still willing to give him the chance to make everything right. I
know other leading authorities in this experimental industry that take some
times twice as long to send parts, and yet are still looked upon as the only
acceptable supplier.
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| Subject: | Re: Jabiru/601 FWF Seminar This Past Weekend |
They need to have a "HOW TO MAKE YOUR JAB RUN COOL" seminar.
Seems like everyone I talk to with a jab in a 601 has overheating problems,
I just wonder if it is an engine problem more than a baffle problem. My friend
is trying to get his 601 to me to look at about this but I told him I want
to tare down the complete engine and check to see how close the tolerances are
from one cylinder to the next.
Jeff
In a message dated 11/19/2007 12:48:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
david.m.gallagher@ge.com writes:
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Jabiru held a very informative Zenith 601/Jabiru FWF seminar this past
weekend at the Jabiru USA facility in TN. I had a good time and got to meet some
fellow Matronic's posters there. My thanks to seminar leaders, Pete Krotje
and Mark Stauffer, who were very patient with us as well as Don Guice, who's
airplane we used as the guinea pig. Jon Croke was also there filming for an
updated Homebuilt Help 101 video on this topic. One of the things I was
interested in seeing was the dual throttle set-up. The latest ZAC firewall design
requires some slight modifications in the way the cross-rod installation is
performed on the top shelf. Nothing major, but you have to work around the
front shelf L-brackets and the U-channel on the back side. Look for updates
from Jabiru in the near future. We also went over the new oil cooler
installation. I understand that new instructions hit the Jabiru web site just
last
week. Attached are a few pictures I took during the class as well !
as a shot of Don and his airplane loaded into a 30' Penske truck.
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David Gallagher
601 XL, tail and wings completed,
fueslage almost done. Working engine and electrical systems.
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Question About 601XL Z-angles |
I got burned on this was last week. Look at the rear bottom fuse. The angle in
front of the door is z angle, rear spar support and then another z angle.
The z angles are part number 6bx-1, I don't have my plans here but I put L angle
and had to drill them out and replace with z's. The plans are flakey here
so be careful. They look like L's but are Z's.
The second row down in 6b3-1 on the builders updates show the door. Look to
the right and you can just make out that that piece is a Z and NOT an L.
Don
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
I also got the idea of the OLFA knife from that great set of DVD from How to videos.
I bought 5 and was only disappointed by one. The comparison engine is not
very well done by the vw or sabaru people. Very little info on h.p. cost. how
to get info etc.
Back to the olfa. Neither Home Depot or Lowes carry them. I bought one that looked
similar from Home Depot. Don't bother getting one it was useless for cutting
aluminium. I finally found some from a site called shopWorldkitchen.ca. This
was 2 weeks ago. I called today Mon(19 Nov 07) and gave them my credit info
for the THIRD time. She called me back and said I would have the knives on Wed.
We shall See.
If I don't get the knives by Monday after Thanksgiving I will be looking for
another supplier. I will notify Mon if they don't come and Wed if they do.
Don
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I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
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My total build time from start to airworthiness certificate was 1200
hours. This includes the firewall forward with the new Zenith 912S
package. My empty weight with VFR steam gauges was 586 lbs. I also
need to find a 701 that I can get some dual time in before I move mine
to the airport for its test flights.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
I read somewhere where the guy said it was better to get a job at Mc Donalds and
save the money to buy the kit. This infered that your per hour savings will
be less then minimum wage. I still plan to build my next plane from scratch as
I don't like flipping burgers very much.
For what you paid for it, I hop this was valuable.
Don
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
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| Subject: | Re: Cost of scratch build versus kit build |
If you can find a local supplier for your aluminum you can save even more money.
I'm fortunate to have a Trident Metals one hour away. I purchased two 4X12 sheets
of .025 last week for $60 each with no shipping charges. Aircraft Spruce
currently charges $108 per sheet plus shipping. Scratch building does take more
time, for sure, but its a heck of a lot cheaper. Its also a pretty nice feeling
to be able to say "I made every part by hand". Having said that...a kit would
be my preference if money were not a factor.
Dave Clay
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Build time |
Thanks for the info.
Do you have a breakdown of the time?
Thanks,
On Nov 19, 2007 9:30 PM, Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net> wrote:
>
> My total build time from start to airworthiness certificate was 1200
> hours. This includes the firewall forward with the new Zenith 912S
> package. My empty weight with VFR steam gauges was 586 lbs. I also
> need to find a 701 that I can get some dual time in before I move mine
> to the airport for its test flights.
>
> Dan Wilde
>
>
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John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
"Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot
harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.
-Airplane The Movie
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| Subject: | Re: Scratchbuilding Tools |
The olfa knife linked and the Home Despot brand shown are known as
"laminate knives" to me. They are used for formica brand and similar
counter tops.
Odd that it would be in the carpet section as a carpet installer has
absolutely no use for it. Silly Home Despot. Moral: Just because
it's not where it should be doesn't mean they don't sell it. I find
carpet/resilient trowels in the ceramic tile section all the time.
On Nov 19, 2007 7:41 PM, William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Check in art/craft supply stores. None of my local hardware stores carry the
> Olfa P-800 but most of the craft stores do.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XL Plans
> Miami Florida
>
> Al Hays <alhays@hickoryhillfarmsheep.com> wrote:
>
>
> Paul,
>
> No Olfa brand knives are carried in the True Value or Ace Hardware
> stores in my area. Didn't see them in Lowe's or Home Depot either last
> time I trekked to town. They all carry various types of utility knives
> which might work, and some are only around $2.50 but most of any
> quality are more than 6 or 8 bucks. I'm surprised that an Ace Hardware
> would be able to sell an Olfa P-800 for a whole lot less but its good
> that you and others in your area can take advantage of that.
> Al
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:59 PM, wrote:
>
> > $8.48? Wow. Ace Hardware carries them at a whole
> > lot less. Look in the aisle with the utility knives.
> >
> > Paul Rodriguez
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Al Hays
> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 7:58 PM
> >> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> I found it online at OLFABLADES.COM and got extra blades and another
> >> knife to get more bang for buck on the shipping cost. It is listed as
> >> a heavy-duty plastic/laminate cutter with a current Sale Price of
> >> $8.48. Their minimum order has to be $15 and shipping would be about
> >> $8
> >> for that. Of course, today it would cost me that much in gas to drive
> >> to a store which might carry an OLFA knife. Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> Al
> >>
> >> On Nov 18, 2007, at 8:10 PM, Bob Unternaehrer wrote:
> >>
> >> > I know the number. just wondering what it was. Our country hardware
> >> > store doesn't have one.
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Carlos Sa
> >> >> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 6:31 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: RE : RE: Zenith-List: Scratchbuilding Tools
> >> >>
> >> >> Bob, it is the OLFA P-800. You can find it it most hardware stores.
> >> >>==============================================p; --
>
>
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