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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Check Ride !!! (Jugle)
2. 06:21 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
3. 06:39 AM - Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Geoff Heap)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Gig Giacona)
5. 07:33 AM - Thanks for carpet ideas (Dr. Andrew Elliott)
6. 07:33 AM - Re: Headset Question (LarryMcFarland)
7. 07:33 AM - Re: Headset Question (Klaus Truemper)
8. 09:19 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
9. 10:32 AM - Re: Headset Question (Dino Bortolin)
10. 11:17 AM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Gig Giacona)
11. 11:20 AM - Re: Check Ride !!! (japhillipsga@aol.com)
12. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
13. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
14. 01:35 PM - Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Geoff Heap)
15. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne)
16. 02:31 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
17. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
18. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Paul Mulwitz)
19. 03:26 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Robert Hansen)
20. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne)
21. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Craig Payne)
22. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (Juan Vega)
23. 03:52 PM - Re: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv (steve)
24. 04:48 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (ronlee)
25. 05:33 PM - spark plugs and rain (LarryMcFarland)
26. 06:16 PM - Headset mic-boom fix (LarryMcFarland)
27. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Check Ride !!! (Gary Gower)
28. 06:20 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Jaybannist@cs.com)
29. 06:31 PM - Re: Carpet hold-downs? (Gary Gower)
30. 06:33 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Paul Mulwitz)
31. 06:51 PM - Re: CENSORSHIP (Gary Gower)
32. 06:52 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (kmccune)
33. 06:54 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (Ron Lendon)
34. 06:57 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (raymondj)
35. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Cabin Pressure Test (Gary Gower)
36. 07:36 PM - Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. (Gord)
37. 07:38 PM - Re: spark plugs and rain (john H)
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| Subject: | Re: Check Ride !!! |
Ah, good on ya Larry! It's worth the effort.
Glenn
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Glenn Andressen
601XL- just started.
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
<http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
George
CH-701 Registered as N73EX
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| Subject: | Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
I cannot go with the long ones. No panel space. I need the smaller profile, like
Becker sells but everything is over a grand. I didn't realize they were so expensive.
Can anyone help with the price......Thanks Geoff
Originally posted on 701 list but I should get more help from here until the 701
list grows more
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"I introduced into my ears two metal rods with rounded ends and joined them to
the terminals of the apparatus. At the moment the circuit was completed, I received
a shock in the head and heard a crackling and boiling noise. This disagreeable
sensation, which I feared might be dangerous, has deterred me so that I
have not repeated this experiment."
-- Alessandro Volta
Every thing builtWorking on the Electric City stuff. Getting myself educated. SLOW.
Rotax 80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom AC-A210/Dual controls
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
Check out E-Bay. Add a e-mail alert for which ever models you are interested in.
There have been some very good deals on non Mode S Xponders out of Europe since
they have started requiring Mode S over there.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Thanks for carpet ideas |
Gang:
I would like to thank everyone for their ideas on holding down the
carpet.
Lots of people like Velcro, but it requires sewing onto the carpet and
riveting onto the airframe.
I personally didn't like the idea of bedliner, as I definitely want the
compartment floor to *not* be sticky. With the shape of the
compartment, I expect to slide stuff in often.
Some have had good luck with carpet tape, but I *think* I want it to be
more easily removable.
I'm heading down to the auto finishing specialty store today, where I
know they have a large assortment of the various and sundry push-in
plastic fasteners used in cars. I'll see what I can find. So no
decision yet.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair, building...
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
Larry,
You're wife would like the Clarity Aloft set as it sets over the ears
and has a set of ear plugs that protect and convey very well.
I've a set that my wife uses and she's very comfortable with them.
Extremely light!
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
LHusky@aol.com wrote:
> My wife loved flying today and has been up a couple of times when my
> instructor was with us. We had to cut our flight short today when she
> started complaining about the squeezing of the headset. She says it
> creates a pressure below her ears and says it hurts a lot. She
> actually took the headset off until we were on the ground. She just
> went through the police academy and the headsets they used at the
> firing range did the same thing to her.
> Has anyone else had this problem and can they recommend a headset that
> might work with her. I am really going to have to do some research
> before I buy one. I would hate to buy one and have her hate it. She
> really enjoys flying and tried very hard to keep it on.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Husky
> Madras, Oregon
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
Hi Larry,
There is simple but expensive solution to the clamping pressure
of headsets: the Bose headset. The cost is almost $1000/headset,
but it is very light, does not clamp at all, and noise attenuation is
terrific. It actually is quieter than the cabin of commercial jets.
Some years ago I made that expensive decision and have not
regretted it ever. I would say that it has doubled the enjoyment
of flying. I often fly 7 or even 9 hours in one day, and the Bose
set is just as comfortable at the end of such a long day as it
was for the initial takeoff.
Mind you, there may be now other headsets that deliver similar
performance at lower cost. I do not know. What I do know is
that Bose's performance, warranty service, etc., is impeccable.
Happy flying,
Klaus
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Klaus Truemper
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science
University of Texas at Dallas
Erik Jonsson School of Engineering and
Computer Science
(972) 883-2712
www.utdallas.edu/~klaus
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at over
$7K.
My 601 XL is pushing $53K...
Darn....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:37 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're
expensiv
>
> I cannot go with the long ones. No panel space. I need the smaller
> profile, like Becker sells but everything is over a grand. I didn't
> realize they were so expensive. Can anyone help with the price......Thanks
> Geoff
>
> Originally posted on 701 list but I should get more help from here until
> the 701 list grows more
>
> Do not archive
> "I introduced into my ears two metal rods with rounded ends and joined
> them to the terminals of the apparatus. At the moment the circuit was
> completed, I received a shock in the head and heard a crackling and
> boiling noise. This disagreeable sensation, which I feared might be
> dangerous, has deterred me so that I have not repeated this experiment."
> -- Alessandro Volta
>
> Every thing built?Working on the Electric City stuff. Getting myself
> educated. SLOW.
> Rotax 80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom AC-A210/Dual controls
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185856#185856
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headset Question |
It is also possible to assemble your own in-the-ear headset. Have a look at
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t 289 for ideas. I
have a pair partially completed now using Sony headphones (MDR-EX71, about
$35) and the matching Comply foam tips (the same ones that Clarity Aloft
uses). Once I can scrounge up an old headset for the microphone I'll be able
to finish it up.
Dino Bortolin
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
>
> You might try in-the-ear headsets. But no ANR and not particularly cheap.
> These were reviewed in Aviation Consumer in August 2006:
>
> <snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
What made up that $7K?
notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
> I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at over
> $7K.
> My 601 XL is pushing $53K...
> Darn....
> ---
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: Check Ride !!! |
Larry, I'm sure the heavy drinking the night before was the real key to sucess!!
Congrads, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: LHusky@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 9:26 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Check Ride !!!
I PASSED!!!!!? It was very unstable air with thunder storms building everywhere,
but I bounced my way to a successful check ride and I am now a private pilot.?
I am very worn out from it all.? My wife and kids wanted rides, but I told
them that I needed to rest and relax before I give them rides.? I want to thank
everyone who responded with different ideas.? Now it is back to the build.?
?
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
N667H (Reserved)
Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL
Food.
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
expensiv
Becker transponder/mode C
XCOM radio
EIS
Compas
Altimeter
Airspeed
VSI
Data system for power/time/etc
fuel gauges
switcher
breakers
ELT
Misc jacks/plugs
more but I m brain dead just now....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> What made up that $7K?
>
>
> notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
>> I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at
>> over
>> $7K.
>> My 601 XL is pushing $53K...
>> Darn....
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185894#185894
>
>
>
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Oh Garmin 296
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gig Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 11:12 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> What made up that $7K?
>
>
> notsew_evets(at)frontiern wrote:
>> I installed the basic VFR instruments along with GPS and EIS. Came at
>> over
>> $7K.
>> My 601 XL is pushing $53K...
>> Darn....
>> ---
>
>
> --------
> W.R. "Gig" Giacona
> 601XL Under Construction
> See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185894#185894
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're expensiv |
OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in IFR anyway.
As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C class with
permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish to enter A class
at all
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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It is more than just class C. It is the 30 nm radius mode C "veil". In my
case the edge of the Salt Lake City veil passes right through my home
airport. A reasonable summary of the regs can be read here:
http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/No%20Radio%20No%
20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspace%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2
0Veil.html?
(or as a tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/68js8v )
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in IFR
anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C
class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish
to enter A class at all
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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Airports that I frequent are inside the vail....
If you fly outside the vail yet above 10K, transponder is required.
Sport pilots dont need to worry unless inside the magical vail....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> It is more than just class C. It is the 30 nm radius mode C "veil". In my
> case the edge of the Salt Lake City veil passes right through my home
> airport. A reasonable summary of the regs can be read here:
>
> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/articles/No%20Radio%20No%
> 20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspace%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2
> 0Veil.html?
>
> (or as a tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/68js8v )
>
> -- Craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:32 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
> they're expensiv
>
>
> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
> IFR
> anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and C
> class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no wish
> to enter A class at all
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ????
at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil...........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
> IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and
> C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no
> wish to enter A class at all
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912
>
>
>
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Hi Geoff,
You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason
for having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately
locate you in three dimensions and guide other traffic around
you. This can happen any time you are in radar coverage - not just
when you are in specific controlled airspace.
Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you
navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of
higher traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside
the formal control area for a high density airport you still are at
risk for a mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR
fliers skirting the control areas just like you are. If none of them
are talking to ATC then only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of
them (like me) is in contact with ATC then the radar and transponder
information can be used to help avoid accidents.
It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C
whenever I am in the air. This little habit has the potential to
save your life.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested
>in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without
>one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC
>directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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I would not skip the transponder because I enjoy flight following on cross
countrys. Also if you are in an area like mine, the military aircraft have
a better chance in seeing you. It is worth the investment.=0ARob=0A=0A=0A--
--- Original Message ----=0AFrom: steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>=0ATo
: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, June 2, 2008 3:26:37 PM=0ASubje
ct: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they'r
ontiernet.net>=0A=0AAirports that I frequent are inside the vail....=0AIf y
ou fly outside the vail yet above 10K, transponder is required.=0ASport pil
ots dont need to worry unless inside the magical vail....=0A----- Original
Message ----- =0AFrom: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>=0ATo: <zenith
-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:07 PM=0ASubject: RE: Z
enith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy =0Athey're expe
gandjean.com>=0A>=0A> It is more than just class C. It is the 30 nm radius
mode C "veil". In my=0A> case the edge of the Salt Lake City veil passes ri
ght through my home=0A> airport. A reasonable summary of the regs can be re
ad here:=0A>=0A> http://members.eaa.org/home/homebuilders/operating/article
s/No%20Radio%20No%=0A> 20Transponder%20Operations%20in%20Class%20D%20Airspa
ce%20in%20a%20Mode%20C%2=0A> 0Veil.html?=0A>=0A> (or as a tiny URL: http://
tinyurl.com/68js8v )=0A>=0A> -- Craig=0A>=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-zenith-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Heap=0A> Sent: Monday, June 02,
2008 2:32 PM=0A> To: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Re
: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy=0A> they're expensiv=0A>=0A>
> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
=0A> IFR=0A> anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without
one and C=0A> class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I
have no wish=0A> to enter A class at all=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this top
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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But the FAA proposed sport pilot rule change may modify the "above 10,000
ft" limit to be "above 10,000 ft or 2000 ft agl". Given where I live if this
change goes through I will commonly be a sport pilot flying above 10,000 ft
msl.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of steve
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ????
at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil...........
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
> IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and
> C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no
> wish to enter A class at all
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912
>
>
>
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Presumably "explicit ATC directions" would include an assigned altitude. So
assuming you don't ignore the instructions from ATC your assigned altitude
plus the radar bounce gives ATC your 3D location. Remember that any aircraft
that doesn't have an electrical system (glider, a Cub) isn't required to
have a transponder either. So ATC is already dealing with this situation.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Mulwitz
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
Hi Geoff,
You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason
for having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately
locate you in three dimensions and guide other traffic around
you. This can happen any time you are in radar coverage - not just
when you are in specific controlled airspace.
Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you
navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of
higher traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside
the formal control area for a high density airport you still are at
risk for a mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR
fliers skirting the control areas just like you are. If none of them
are talking to ATC then only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of
them (like me) is in contact with ATC then the radar and transponder
information can be used to help avoid accidents.
It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C
whenever I am in the air. This little habit has the potential to
save your life.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested
>in IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without
>one and C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC
>directions). I have no wish to enter A class at all
>
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| Subject: | Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're |
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Geoff
you will need txpr for Class B and if you want guidance from ATC, they will ask
that you sqawk a code. Don't be cheap, just get one rebuilt if you have to.
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: steve <notsew_evets@frontiernet.net>
>Sent: Jun 2, 2008 5:49 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy they're
expensiv
>
>
>Assuming you flying "sport pilot" ????
>at or below 10K MSL, outside the mode C veil...........
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:31 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
>they're expensiv
>
>
>>
>> OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
>> IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and
>> C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no
>> wish to enter A class at all
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185912#185912
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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And then in 2010 we all change out our mode C s to Mode S. That way ATC
will know your altitude, position AND your name, address, pilot ratings ,
medical info. They need it to send your citation to you directly.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Where you guys buying transponders from.Boy
they're expensiv
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> You may not be considering what I think is the most important reason for
> having a transponder. It is the ability of ATC to accurately locate you
> in three dimensions and guide other traffic around you. This can happen
> any time you are in radar coverage - not just when you are in specific
> controlled airspace.
>
> Of course you can stay out of controlled airport airspace, but if you
> navigate around the control areas you are still in a position of higher
> traffic density. Put another way, even when you are outside the formal
> control area for a high density airport you still are at risk for a
> mid-air collision. There may be a whole bunch of VFR fliers skirting the
> control areas just like you are. If none of them are talking to ATC then
> only see-and-avoid can work, but if one of them (like me) is in contact
> with ATC then the radar and transponder information can be used to help
> avoid accidents.
>
> It has always been my standard practice to squawk mode A and C whenever I
> am in the air. This little habit has the potential to save your life.
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
> At 01:31 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>
>>OK that settles it. I'll pass on the Transponder. I'm not interested in
>>IFR anyway. As long as I have a radio I can enter D class without one and
>>C class with permission (and follow explicit ATC directions). I have no
>>wish to enter A class at all
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet hold-downs? |
I used AUTO TRUNK carpet, not not truck box liner. That would be very heavy for
an airplane.
The trunk carpet I got from Pep Boys and or Checker Auto,it is extremely light.
The adhesive doesn't amount to a hill of beans for weight.
Ron Lee
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | spark plugs and rain |
Hi guys,
I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was
any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed,
but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of
bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain?
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Headset mic-boom fix |
Hi guys,
You know what it is to have the microphone rotate down from your mouth
on a hot day and it seems to continually slip off your lower lip? Ive
frustrated over this more of recent and today, without taping the
mic-boom to my face, I found a solution. The double wire that secures
the mouthpiece thru the rotating cap on the plastic ear-piece is held in
compression between a rotating two-piece plastic knob. The split-holes
the wires go thru are wider than the wire so I took a medium to heavy
paper clip, trimmed it to a piece one inch each side beyond the single
180-degree bend radius. The radius was opened so the legs were about
100-degrees and then using pliers, bent 3/8ths inch from the radius each
side to get the wire ends parallel. Then the radius segment was bent to
a 20-degree offset from the straight pieces. The two loose ends were
adjusted for width and forced in along the outside of each of the
microphone wires and pushed thru the shared holes. This provided enough
tension to secure rotation of the mouthpiece. Its still very
adjustable, but not droopy any more as it puts a reasonable drag between
the plastic knob and the plastic earpiece.
This is about near to nothing as a subject can get, and a less than
expensive headset, but this had gone on long enough.
Anyway, hang in there and keep building,
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Check Ride !!! |
Hello Larry:
The important thing about safe flying is not taking the 40 hrs Private
Pilot Course, or passing the Check Ride, is knowing (though learning
practice and common sense) what to do in an "emergency" (name it from
a failed manuver or else). I am sure that your Examiner was
very well impressed about your decission in that manuver. Keep
learning and practicing as much as you can. The great thing of aviation is that
WE ALL never finish our flying course all our flying lives.
CONGRATULATIONS.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico
Do not archive.
--- On Sat, 5/31/08, LHusky@aol.com <LHusky@aol.com> wrote:
From: LHusky@aol.com <LHusky@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!!
There were a couple of times that the turbulence from the building storms caused
me to really blow the altitudes and as I was doing the steep turns, I actually
had to exit the turn and restart. I thought I had blown the check ride
and was a little discouraged. This particular examiner always announces
a new private pilot on down wind when they come in. Well, I was on the
ground and there was no announcement until I cleared the runway! I had
not even thought that I was performing an engine out landing as my final demonstration.
He told me that the decisions I had made to exit the maneuver
for safety, was the right decision. I could not have asked for a more horrible
day, but it worked out. Thank you for the encouragement. It
meant a lot to me for all of your input and now I can share my experience with
the 6 other students there. One thing that I found very interesting, was
the fact that there were
several things that the examiner did not like. This were things taught to
me by my instructor. I guess there can be some really big differences
between instructors.
We have storms building again today, so I am going to go out early tomorrow morning
and just enjoy flying for a change. I am going to go alone and just
relax and fly like I know I can.
Thanks again for all the excellent advise.
Larry Husky
Madras, Oregon
In a message dated 5/31/2008 7:59:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wjones@brazoriainet.com
writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "wade jones" <wjones@brazoriainet.com>
Yes Larry , Congratulations .When I wrote you words of encouragements last
week I did not tell you that I failed my first check ride back in 1961 .I
was impatient and instead of waiting on the FAA I used an unscrupulous
flight examiner .Long story ,there was no reason to fail me other than money
.
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL plans building
Cont. 0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "pavel569" <pm569@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:42 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Check Ride !!!
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "pavel569" <pm569@hotmail.com>
>
> CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> --------
> Pavel
> CA
> Zodiac XL N581PM (Reserved)
> Tail, flaps, ailerons done, right wing on the table ....
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
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| Subject: | spark plugs and rain |
Larry,
I have flown through rain many times in production airplanes and never had a problem
with the operation of the engine. I think that those spark plugs are so
hot that moisture just sizzles off before it can create a short circuit.
Jay in Dallas
LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com> wrote:
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was
>any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed,
>but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of
>bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain?
>
>
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Carpet hold-downs? |
I (hand) sew one side of the velcro to the carpet and put a rivet in e
ach end or the velcro in the aluminum. Has worked fine.
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Do not archive.
--- On Sat, 5/31/08, george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
From: george may <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Carpet hold-downs?
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I found that the glue on the velcro got soft in the heat of the summer and
would not secure the carpet when moving thins about in the summer. I
ended up using carpet tape and it cure the movement issue.
George May
601XL 912s
From: a.s.elliott@cox.net
Subject: Zenith-List: Carpet hold-downs?
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Gang:
I am ready to install the carpeting in the baggage compartment of my 601XL.
It is cut and trimmed to fit, but I am unsure of the best way to kee
p it in place. Options I have thought of are:
[1] spray glue
[2] 2-sided carpet tape
[3] plastic rivets (like in cars)
[4] screws and fender washers
I would be interested in hearing opinions and other ideas. Note that
I am using the very light "replacement" carpeting from Wal-Mart Aviation Su
pply, and I expect that it will need replacing every few years.
Thanks,
Andy Elliott, Mesa, AZ
N601GE (reserved)
601XL/TD, Corvair (very close now!), building...
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Hi Larry,
Rain shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. However, it does
present a couple of secondary issues.
First is the reduced viability. If your only method of avoiding
aluminum or granite clouds is by looking out the windshield then rain
can reduce this ability.
Second, if the temperature is right (wrong?) you face the possibility
of rapid build up of clear ice. This will prevent your plane from
flying due to the changed airfoil shape and rapidly increased
weight. The good news is if you change altitude soon enough the ice
will melt. However, if you are already at low altitude your options
are quickly reduced. Icing happens only near the freezing point of
water - give or take a few degrees, so if you stay well above that
air temperature you should not have a problem.
Third (and this is a stretch) is the possibility of carb ice. To get
rain it must be around 100 percent humidity and this means carb ice
will form if the outside air temperature is in the neighborhood of 70
degrees. I might be wrong about the actual temperature since it
depends on the temperature reduction in your
carburetor. Fortunately, you probably have carb heat to deal with
this. If it is raining and your engine starts running rough or slow
then adding carb heat is a great idea.
Lastly, rain is noisy. It can make you very nervous. It can also
get you silly comments from ATC like "multiple targets in your
vicinity". (I got that once from a very green Air Force tower controller.)
Have fun,
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 05:29 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there
>was any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was
>noticed, but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid
>of a lot of bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain?
>
>
>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
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No Dave, we all are just and only waiting for a professional result
of invetigation, name it Factory, FAA or any international office,
or the Zbag group analisis (I realy hope they get close to reality, I
realy like it to be).
All this because MYSELF (like maybe 99% of us) know nothing about accident
analisis and airplane structure calculus other that what we have
seen in the movies :-)
The idea is to keep building, or take a break, or sell your kit, until and
IF there is a truth explanation of what is hapenning
and what is needed.
I know I will get this from ZAC, I have a personal faith in Mr Heintz knowledge.
We chosed the Zenith airplanes after a LOT of research and
this gave me faith in the designer.
No Censorship needed, just plain common sence of all of us.
Please Friends: Dont get the easy idea of the guys at the bar
thring to solve the wold oil problem as experts...
( I said once I will not post any more about this... Sorry, Im human I could
not resist.)
Saludos
Gary Gower.
Yes, building a 601 XL. Working on the fuselage, tail feathers done.
Do not archive.
--- On Sat, 5/31/08, Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Dave G. <d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CENSORSHIP
I've only seen a couple of irrational rants, your's is one of them. A lot
of what you learned in flight training had to do with managing risk, assessing
risk, avoiding risk. In the face of a number of incidents, some dedicated
XL owners have decided to try to get some additional info. Others are asking
for additional info.
I'm curious why your solution is to simply deny the possibility. Censorship? Be
real careful what you wish for.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry Hursh
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CENSORSHIP
I agree Paul 100%. I'm finding they are starting up another thread in order
to keep the "fires burning". If you did just a little research on who
started this one, you will find this "accident" happened a little over a year
ago. Why rehash it now again?????
I am finding ALL of these lists that post such information (which the except
of the group that decided to take their discussions to a new forum - thank
you by the way!!) to be a LOT overwhelming. Why should I build or finish
an aircraft that is going to crash??? Common sense tells me I need to
call a junk dealer to reclaim all my "scrap metal" I've developed and NEVER let
anyone fly this death trap!!
See what a lot of listers don't get is, people actually DO take everything they
read to heart! In fact I know of 3 people that have literally sold or abandoned
their airplane because of what they are reading on these lists.
I for one am damned tired of reading about all the gloom and doom. If these
people insist on doing what they love to do (causing problems) I will be
very shortly behind those that have decided to delete their names from all the
lists. I do agree there IS a lot of good on these lists. I will have
to weigh out how much of the bad can I take before I can't take it any longer.
I WOULD suggest to Matt Dralle, that we need a forum of BONAFIDE builders that
actually have VALID PLANS in hand. They should be REQUIRED to prove they
do in fact own those serialized plans before they are allowed to join the group.
That would ensure only actual builders and plan holders have a legitimate
reason to be on here. Matt could get a list of serial numbers and
names of owners from Zenith. Mine is 7128 for a CH601XL. Anyone that
can't prove it, sorry - you can't belong to the list. This would totally
eliminate any trouble makers from posting irrational rants on here.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
Other comments and suggestions are of course always welcome!
Larry Hursh
Skyridersbn@yahoo.com
Edwardsburg, MI
CH601XL Serial Number 7128
(N601LL Reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Rain water does not have any (many?) minerals, so it should not conduct or short
your electrical system.
Kevin
do not archive
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
Larry,
Everything about the electrical seems to have been covered. I don't think light
rain would be much of a problem. Kinda like driving your car through a puddle.
Heavy rain would be like driving through the river.
I would shy away from rain if you have a wood prop. I hear it's not good for them,
no actual experience.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
Corvair Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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| Subject: | Re: spark plugs and rain |
I got my PP in Oregon. Consequently, I flew in a lot of rain and very humid
conditions. Carb ice is not uncommon on a mid 60deg day in the rain. Used
to have to use some carb heat just getting to the departure end of the
runway. It is something to be aware of in the rain.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mulwitz" <psm@att.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> Rain shouldn't be a problem in and of itself. However, it does present a
> couple of secondary issues.
>
> First is the reduced viability. If your only method of avoiding aluminum
> or granite clouds is by looking out the windshield then rain can reduce
> this ability.
>
> Second, if the temperature is right (wrong?) you face the possibility of
> rapid build up of clear ice. This will prevent your plane from flying due
> to the changed airfoil shape and rapidly increased weight. The good news
> is if you change altitude soon enough the ice will melt. However, if you
> are already at low altitude your options are quickly reduced. Icing
> happens only near the freezing point of water - give or take a few
> degrees, so if you stay well above that air temperature you should not
> have a problem.
>
> Third (and this is a stretch) is the possibility of carb ice. To get rain
> it must be around 100 percent humidity and this means carb ice will form
> if the outside air temperature is in the neighborhood of 70 degrees. I
> might be wrong about the actual temperature since it depends on the
> temperature reduction in your carburetor. Fortunately, you probably have
> carb heat to deal with this. If it is raining and your engine starts
> running rough or slow then adding carb heat is a great idea.
>
> Lastly, rain is noisy. It can make you very nervous. It can also get you
> silly comments from ATC like "multiple targets in your vicinity". (I got
> that once from a very green Air Force tower controller.)
>
> Have fun,
>
> Paul
> XL fuselage
> do not archive
>
> At 05:29 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was any
>>prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed, but the
>>rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of bugs. Is
>>there any reason to worry about a light rain?
>>
>>
>>Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>
>
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> Date: 5/31/2008 12:25 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin Pressure Test |
Hey thats having a real inexpensive Turbo!!!
Love it :-)
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive
--- On Sun, 6/1/08, jetboy <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
From: jetboy <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Cabin Pressure Test
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "jetboy"
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In my CH701 I can go from 63 kts IAS to 70 Kts IAS by pulling the line on my
external static port. when a passenger complains it goes too slow thats what I
do
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| Subject: | Importing a 601 from Canada to the U.S. |
Hello,
I currently own a 601HD. It is registered as an advanced ultralight in
Canada. Does anyone know if I can import this airplane into the U.S. I
am moving to the U.S. and want to take my plane but may be forced to
sell if it cannot be imported.
Thanks
Gord
CH601 on amphibs rotax 914 turbo
Gord601@yahoo.ca
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| Subject: | spark plugs and rain |
Hi Larry
I have been through several light-moderate rain showers without a problem w
ith the engine. A little anecdote here (please do not laugh to hard) The fi
rst time it happened (light shower) I was still pretty new to flying and I
started dropping altitude figuring I would avoid any clouds. My friend who
is an 80 year old pilot started chuckling and asked me where I was going. H
e said the rain goes all the way to the ground, just thank God for the free
wash job. I do remember that the rain on the canopy was real loud.
Regards
John
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:29:30 -0500
> From: larry@macsmachine.com
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com; stratus-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: spark plugs and rain
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I recently flew thru some rain showers and was wondering if there was
> any prospect of fouling the plugs electrically. Nothing was noticed,
> but the rain that washed over my canopy and wings got rid of a lot of
> bugs. Is there any reason to worry about a light rain?
>
>
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
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