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0. 12:09 AM - Just A Few More Days... (Matt Dralle)
1. 06:23 AM - Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads (DaveG601XL)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: Lets look at the specs (Gig Giacona)
3. 07:21 AM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Gig Giacona)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (LarryMcFarland)
5. 07:27 AM - Re: machine screws (Gig Giacona)
6. 09:23 AM - Re: 601XL Wing Install (wade jones)
7. 09:48 AM - Re: machine screws (Carlos Sa)
8. 10:24 AM - Best place to get 6061 (Derek Lewis)
9. 10:34 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (Paul Mulwitz)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (William Dominguez)
11. 11:14 AM - Re: Best place to get 6061 (TxDave)
12. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (Debo Cox)
13. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (wade jones)
14. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Best place to get 6061 (steve)
15. 03:50 PM - Re: Spreading fear about the XL ()
16. 04:11 PM - Re: machine screws (Carlos Sa)
17. 05:46 PM - Radio tray (Bill Naumuk)
18. 06:31 PM - Re: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions? (Southern Reflections)
19. 06:55 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Ron Lendon)
20. 07:03 PM - Re: Radio tray (Bill Pagan)
21. 07:32 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Sabrina)
22. 08:33 PM - [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL (Sabrina)
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| Subject: | Just A Few More Days... |
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Aileron Balance Fairleads |
Like Craig's pictures show, ZAC has changed the way they do quick builds, but the
plans don't seem to have changed to match. I talked to Roger about the change
and the larger hole on the aileron fairlead is meant to allow the entire turnbuckle
to be passed through. I don't know why the balance cable does not mimic
it. I took the large hole idea and applied it to both cables. Attached
is a picture of my fuselage.
Hope this helps,
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David Gallagher
601 XL/Jabiru 3300
First flight 7/24/08
Phase I flight test complete 10/16/08
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| Subject: | Re: Lets look at the specs |
hills(at)sunflower.com wrote:
> Howdy all,
>
> I called Zenith a year back to ask about how they determine the vne of their
planes. I was told that the speed assigned was the speed that the
> plane has been tested to in flight (at sea level), and not an actual failure
speed, which they dont have a way of determining and dont test too.
>
> Also, regarding the 6g design load, both Zenith and Sonex told me the same thing,
the wings on the HD and the Sonex are designed to an ultimate of 9 gs ,
> So technically they are aerobatic category stressed, but for legal reasons they
dont state this in writing as they dont want folks doing aerobatic maneuvers
in them.
> Note: The HD does stand for Heavy Duty.
>
> I register my 601 HDS as Utility class after I swapped out the engine.
>
> Roger
>
>
While you may have written Utility some where on the registration I doubt the FAA
noticed or cared. Utility class is a Part 23 thing that really effects EX-HB
not a bit.
Just writing utility on the registration doesn't make the plane any stronger.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Ron Lendon wrote:
> Larry,
>
> It was never my intention to intimate using the airframe to stretch the cables
like guitar strings. I will fixture something on my work table when I get to
that point. The cables will be pre-stretched before assembly.
>
> Hope that clarifies things,
That's the thing. I can't find anything, anywhere that says we either should or
can pre-stretch these cables. If you have a specific place where this is shown
please show specific cites.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Hi Ron,
I completely understood, but many might think these cables have stretch,
where in fact, the cable weight is what's at play here. The concerns for
flutter are
based on the cable weight becoming harmonic and somehow combining to
start a bigger vibration. If this were the case, it would be better to
put guides
at a couple of places along the cable length to support the cable and
then the harmonics of low tension cables would not be possible.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Ron Lendon wrote:
>
> Larry,
>
> It was never my intention to intimate using the airframe to stretch the cables
like guitar strings. I will fixture something on my work table when I get to
that point. The cables will be pre-stretched before assembly.
>
> Hope that clarifies things,
>
> --------
> Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
> WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
> Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
> http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: machine screws |
McMaster-Carr as Terry mentions has every screw on the planet. If they don't have
it you don't need it.
I'm using some Torx head screws in several places because they don't slip as much
and they look a lot like an installed rivet.
That said. I picked up a trick when fitting the canopy from, of all places, the
Zenith build manual. A dab of valve grinding compound pretty much stops slipping
screw drivers of all types.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL Wing Install |
Hello group ,thanks to all that responded to my wing install request
.Got some good ideas from you . Thanks again
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: jaybannist@cs.com
To: zenith601-list@matronics.com ; zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL Wing Install
This is for anyone who might be interested. It is just the way I did
it.
Jay in Dallas
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| Subject: | Re: machine screws |
Thank you all for the tips.
A correction: the head angle is 100 degrees, as can be seen in the anchor
plate drawing at http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/graphics/04-01724.gif
- not 82 degrees as I stated on my first note.
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
slowly but surely, with emphasis on "slowly".
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| Subject: | Best place to get 6061 |
For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get it. Where is the best
and cheapest place you guys and girls have found to get it. I have been using
Airparts, but I have been spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower
price would allow me to get my plane done faster.
Thanks,
Derek Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
Hi Derek,
Shipping is a huge portion of aluminum prices. That means the best
vendor choice depends on where you are located. It also depends on
how much metal you order at one time.
Aircraft Spruce is a good source of small quantities for UPS shipment.
Perhaps you could tell us where you are located and how much aluminum
you plan to buy at each order so we can make an intelligent recommendation.
Paul
XL getting close
At 10:22 AM 11/26/2008, you wrote:
>For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get
>it. Where is the best and cheapest place you guys and girls have
>found to get it. I have been using Airparts, but I have been
>spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A lower price would allow
>me to get my plane done faster.
>
>Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
I've been using Yarde Metals www.yarde.com and have no complains. The price
s are good and the bigger the order the cheaper they get. They package the
material very well and their customer service is very good.
Here is what I paid in my last order (May 2008), the S&H was waived, the fl
at bars is for the wing main spar:
Material- -------- Price- ---- Quantity
--- Sub Total Item # 1 - 6061-T6 SHT. .016" X 48" X 144" 53
..13 1 53.13 Item # 2 - 6061-T6 SHT. .025" X 48" X 144" 77.19
5 385.95 Item # 3 - 6061-T6 SHT. .032" X 48" X 144" 79.18 2
158.36 Item # 4 - 6061-T6511 FLAT BAR 1/4" X 1 1/2" X 12/FT. 1
5.66 8 125.28 -----------------
-------------------------
-------------------------
---------------- Order Total - -
722.72
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami, Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Derek Lewis <numskull99@netzero.net> wrote:
From: Derek Lewis <numskull99@netzero.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Best place to get 6061
<numskull99@netzero.net>
For anyone who has purchased 6061-t6, or knows where to get it. Where is t
he
best and cheapest place you guys and girls have found to get it. I have be
en
using Airparts, but I have been spending up to $150 a sheet + Shipping. A
lower
price would allow me to get my plane done faster.
Thanks,
Derek Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
I get my 6061 T6 aluminum from Trident Metals in Austin. I pay $65 for a 4X12 sheet
of .025. I'm lucky they are less than an hour's drive from me.
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
Just FYI,
I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of 6061-T6
(3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today. The cost
without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find.
Debo Cox
Nags Head, NC
Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
www.mykitlog.com/debo
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
Hey Debo ,that is a good price .If I can pass on anything I learned while
bending mine feel free to contact me .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debo Cox" <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061
>
> Just FYI,
>
> I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of
> 6061-T6 (3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today.
> The cost without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find.
>
> Debo Cox
> Nags Head, NC
> Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/debo
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Best place to get 6061 |
I have the stock aluminum gear that came with my QBK. It weighs in at 45
pounds all by itself.
I just now woke up from my nap (daily thing) and had a dream of making new
gear out of carbon fiber....
I might do that someday but when I went online and saw your post about
bending your own aluminum gear, I wanted to type.
A few years ago I had Grove gear made for my Avid Flyer.
I watched the manufacturing process step by step.
A pattern was used to cut out the shape on 7/8 inch flat aluminum stock.
After cutting out the shape it went to a boring machine where it was "gun
drilled" for the brake fluid. The edges were routed round and the part was
taken to a huge brake where it was bent to specs.
It looked like a landing gear but was not done until the piece was placed in
a large oven to heat temper the metal...
Anyway to make this story short, It was not an easy process.
Good luck with making your own landing gear..
I still like the carbon fiber idea...
Steve W
N 9554 Z
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debo Cox" <sky_ranger161@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Best place to get 6061
>
> Just FYI,
>
> I'm going to be bending my own landing gear and ordered a big ole' hunk of
> 6061-T6 (3/4" thick x 8" wide x 97 inches long) from Trident Metals today.
> The cost without shipping was $188.50. It was the best price I could find.
>
> Debo Cox
> Nags Head, NC
> Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair
> www.mykitlog.com/debo
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
At our last meeting of EAA Chapter 91, we had an aerodynamics instructor
from Missouri Central University (the old CMSU) who gave a presentation
on "Seven Ways an Aircraft Can Contact The Ground" (long story there),
and who discussed flutter. There being more than a few 601'ers there, he
had a very attentive audience. After the meeting I asked him THE
question.One of the things he said was possibly to do like Cessna does,
and rig the ailerons with 2-3 degrees down at neutral stick. He said
that each aileron would be in tension against the other, causing a
constant load on each control surface. He said you give up a little
airspeed, but you reduce the possibility of flutter. I also asked him
about putting weights on the aileron pushrods inside the wing, and,
after thinking about it, he felt it was worth trying, but cautioned me
to check a metals nobility chart first to assure I wasn't trading one
benefit for a risk, that of corrosion. Now that I think of it, I do
recall that my 172's ailerons didn't match the wingtips.
Paul Rodriguez
501XL/Corvair
----- Original Message -----
From: Clyde Barcus<mailto:barcusc@comcast.net>
To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
<barcusc@comcast.net<mailto:barcusc@comcast.net>>
Juan
That is all it is, a guess, some of us want to know as much as
possible to
avoid mistakes and to build a good solid plane. I think there has been
some
good conversation on the subject of properly tensioning control cables
to
avoid the "possibility" of flutter. I agree with building it to plans
and
flying within the design limitations but coming to the conclusion that
all
of them augured because of exceeding VNE and maneuvering speeds is a
little
over the top. From Bill's account, he experienced flutter, and he
wasn't
busting any design limits and later found his cables were not
tensioned to
spec. This is great information and something we can all learn from,
in my
opinion, that is exactly what this list is for, knowledge. I know I
will buy
the tool to check tension and it will be part of my frequent check
list
until I determine there is no need to check it quite as frequently.
That
should eliminate one possible problem and if I should ever "auger in"
you
can bet it will not be loose cables or exceeding design limits, you
can take
that to the bank. Without the recent discussions I would have probably
twanged the cables and let it go at that, obviously I have changed my
mind.
To Bill of Georgia: Thanks!
Regards:
Clyde Barcus
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan Vega"
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net<mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net>>
To: <zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>;
<zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
<amyvega2005@earthlink.net<mailto:amyvega2005@earthlink.net>>
>
> Dirk,
> pull up the archives, i brought up the issue of VNE and Max
manauvering
> speeds over one year ago, but the back room engineers ignored it.
>
> Fly it and follow the specs. My guess is the guys flying and that
augered
> in ignored the flight envelope of the aircraft. BUILD IT TO PLANS
AND FLY
> IT TO SPECS.
>
> Time to move on folks,
>
> Juan
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Dirk Zahtilla
<ideaz1@sbcglobal.net<mailto:ideaz1@sbcglobal.net>>
>>Sent: Nov 24, 2008 10:56 AM
>>To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
>>
>>You forgot the 640 which also has unbalanced ailerons HOWEVER... it
has
>>push-pull tubes instead of cables and boxed wing spars (more related
to
>>the load carying capacity).The margin between cruise and VNE is much
>>closer than the XL design. Maybe we need to look at this!? As I look
at
>>the designs, they become capable of increasingly high cruise speeds
and
>>with builders putting more h.p. in it becomes very easy to reach VNE
very
>>quickly by entering even a very shallow dive. (also the rudder on
the
>>6,7,&8 series ARE balanced, note the portion of the rudder ahead of
the
>>hinge points...this is aerodynamic balance as opposed to weight
balance).
>>
>>I think that what we are seeing is two groups of builders here: one
group
>>who builds and fly's well within the specs of the design, and one
group
>>that wants to achieve everything to the edge of the envelope and
perhaps a
>>bit beyond. One group is made of builder/flyers, and one group is
made of
>>experimenter builders/test pilots. This latter group will always
push
>>aircraft design firms to re-examine their designs and hopefully this
will
>>benefit the first group who will end up flying increasingly safe and
more
>>capable aircraft.
>>
>>I'm sure that no-one on this list means to offend the builder/flyer
group,
>>I know I don't. We are just part of the group that reaches out to
extend
>>our potential.
>>
>>I am building a 601XL (which I may re-designate as
>>601XLA(airobat)orM(modified) just to make it clear that it is not
totally
>>to plans) As I have said before I will use push-pull tubes for the
>>ailerons and elevator and balance both as well. The ailerons will
move the
>>hingepoint rearward and the elevator will use weights in the tips
which
>>will be attached to the elevator instead of the horizontal stab. I
will
>>also use a boxed spar in the wing that meets at the center instead
of
>>bolting on at the outer part of the fuselage.
>>
>>Dirk Z
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jaybannist@cs.com<mailto:jaybannist@cs.com>
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
>>
>>
>> Roger.
>>
>> Your A&P did not design the 601HDS. How could he possibly know
that
>> "this could lead to aileron flutter"? Chris Heintz designed the
CH200,
>> CH601, CH601HD, CH601HDS, CH601XL, CH701, CH801 and CH750, all
without
>> aileron balance. The rudder and elevators are not balanced either.
>> Control surface flutter is a MAJOR concern of all aircraft
designers. If
>> he thought his control surface designs could lead to flutter, don't
you
>> think he would have included some sort of balance?
>>
>> Exactly how many of these designs (PROPERLY constructed, flown and
>> maintained) has experienced VERIFIED aileron flutter?
>>
>> If you don't trust Chris Heintz, stay away from Chris Heinz
designed
>> airplanes. Otherwise, COOL IT!
>>
>> Jay in Dallas
>> Do not archive
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roger & Lina Hill
<hills@sunflower.com<mailto:hills@sunflower.com>>
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 8:50 pm
>> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
>>
>>
>> Howdy all;
>>
>> My A&P was looking over my 601HDS and commented that the ailerons
were
>> not counterbalanced. He said this can lead to aileron flutter. My
>> Sonerai had
>> balanced ailerons, can someone comment on if the 601XL has
balanced
>> ailerons and if not, could this result in wing flutter?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> From:
owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@ma
tronics.com>
>> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff
>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:13 AM
>> To: zenith-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Zenith-List: Spreading fear about the XL
>>
>> Friends, neighbors, and fellow Zenith Enthusiasts,
>>
>> I have received multiple off-list communications about
the
>> unexplained XL crashes. We now have folks not part of the Zenith
>> community spreading "information" about the accidents. As I
reported on
>> this list then, a group of LSA competitors advanced negative
information
>> about the XL in person at the September 2007 Zenith Gathering in
>> Winchester, Virginia. For my part, I have not heard anything
conclusive
>> from the entities looking at the design, including the Zenith
Builder's
>> Analysis Group, Zenith, the NTSB, and European Governments, with
two
>> exceptions. One is the cable tension advisory and the other is the
>> European action. Neither tells us what is happening unless you
believe
>> that insufficient cable tension is the proper explanation. Others
have
>> failed to find any design problem despite an extensive review. ZAC
>> conducted a second static load test with acceptable results. But
the
>> impact of all the discussion is becoming clear. In the Second
November
>> Is!
> sue, 2008 of Trade-A-Plane, there are three kits for sale and a
completed
> aircraft. See page 87. Some advertisements have appeared on this
list.
> Locally, some builders are making the decision to stop work on their
> projects. While all losses of human life are mourned without
reservation,
> especially losses that need not occur, I believe that we all seek a
> rational explanation for these events if one exists, not speculation
about
> what the facts we know might mean.
>>
>> So let me call on ZAC, the NTSB, the ZBAG, and all
other
>> investigators with the standing to make valid conclusions, to
report
>> whatever they have found or not found at this time in order to
limit the
>> fear of the 601 XL that is currently spreading through the
community.
>> They must speak up now before more damage based on fear is done to
our
>> community.
>>
>> Please correct me if anyone with standing has provided
a
>> full explanation of the events that are causing these concerns
about the
>> XL.
>>
>> Jeff Davidson
>>
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| Subject: | Re: machine screws |
I did some research and found a couple of sources for flat head, 100 degrees
(not 82 as I had incorrectly stated), Torx (or 6-lobed) screws (I couldn't
find Robertson drive screws):
http://www.mutualscrew.com/subcategories.php?pid=1124
They sell in bulk (I think the minimum order is a full 18 wheeler) or
packages (of 100). Of course, the 100 degrees is only available in bulk.
If I already had problems storing one wing, imagine a truckload of screws.
No deal.
http://www.microfasteners.com/catalog/standard.cfm?Category=SSC&SubCategory=FCMXS
Microfasteners does not have a picture for this particular item, but the
description is good enough. At $9.70 for 100 (6-32 x 0.5"), I'll probably
give it a shot.
I did not try Brazos as their web site is not geared for on-line sales, so I
skipped it.
I also found an interesting discussion on Matronics, regarding the strength
of these screws. A little long, but educational. If you do a "find in page"
on "machine screw" you will be taken to one of the last postings, which sums
the whole thing up.
<http://www.mutualscrew.com/subcategories.php?pid=1124>
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-get.cgi?RV-Archive.digest.vol-pg
Thanks to all that replied, and happy building
Carlos
2008/11/25 Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
> Hello, all
>
>
> I am looking for some information: I am using machine screws MS51959 6-32
> thread ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ms51959.php ) to
> fasten an access panel to its frame.
> The frame has several anchor nuts K-1100-06 ( near the bottom of
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/anchornuts.php ).
>
> I find that the Phillips head in general doesn't last long - I much prefer
> the ones with a square (Robertson drive) or hex hole.
> Do such screws exist? (i.e., 82 degrees head, 6-32 thread with a square or
> hex head)
>
>
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All-
I'm getting ready to fabricate a radio tray for my HDS (Which
doesn't come with one stock) and figure 12" long before I run into my
header tank. How wide are the ones that come with XLs?
Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions? |
Jay , I think the ARF mission"s are a great thing,Iam going to join. I've
talked to member"s in my EAA 908 chapter and they are going to join I'am
going to contact other chapter"s on the east coast of the USA see if we can
help generate a good network..Thanks Joe N101HD /601XL/RAM
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From: "Jay Maynard" <jmaynard@conmicro.com>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:15 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 601XL passenger seat and baggage shelf dimensions?
>
> I've volunteered my airplane for Animal Rescue Flights missions, to fly
> animals in need of transportation. (Check them out at
> http://aviation.meetup.com/95/ .) In order to let them know what to
> expect,
> I need to know the dimensions of the passenger seat, and the baggage
> shelf,
> of my Zodiac, so I can let them know how big a crate I can handle. Anyone
> have the numbers handy, to save me a trip to the airport? Thanks.
> --
> Jay Maynard, K5ZC, PP-ASEL http://www.conmicro.com
> http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
> Fairmont, MN (KFRM) (Yes, that's me!)
> AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC http://www.tronguy.net/N55ZC.shtml
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Gig,
I haven't found anything written either, but I will test the theory and report
the results. My plan is to make up some cables, tension them above the requirements
and see what happens when I apply a little more pressure, think plucking
a guitar string, then check the tension again. If it doesn't change we will
know then.
--------
Ron Lendon, Clinton Township, MI
WW Corvair with Roy's Garage 5th bearing
Zodiac XL, ScrapBuilder ;-)
http://www.mykitlog.com/rlendon
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It's 6 5/16ths- just right for a 6 1/4" radio stack.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
--- On Wed, 11/26/08, Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net> wrote:
From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
Subject: Zenith-List: Radio tray
All-
--- I'm getting ready to fabricate a
radio tray for my HDS (Which doesn't-come with-one stock) and figure
12"-long before I run into my header tank. How wide are the ones that com
e
with XLs?
--- Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair
95%
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
AC 43.13 7-146 states that our cable terminals and thimble eye splices should
be tested to 60% of the cable breaking strengths given in table 7-3. 60% of 1300
= 780lbs? It is not the cable we are testing as much as closing the thimble
gap and testing our swaging. They even give a time of 3 minutes as opposed
to overnight as some have suggested.
CH's letter gives the value he used to pre-load the CH2000 cables (750lbs) His
letter also talks about about the guitar string theory of tensioning to 75 and
then later, down to 30.
http://www.zenair.org/nuke/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=17
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Re: Spreading fear about the XL |
Hello all... I don't need "someone posted" e-mails flying while I am trying to
make a couple apple pies. I have removed the post as requested. On a more
cheerful thought... here is the first part of N5887Q... Happy Thanksgiving!
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