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1. 07:48 AM - Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (FlyGuyTililDie)
2. 07:49 AM - Battery cover answer...Giving back (Dan Wilde)
3. 08:04 AM - Re: Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (Jay Maynard)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (FlyGuyTililDie)
5. 08:43 AM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (japhillipsga@aol.com)
6. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (japhillipsga@aol.com)
7. 10:17 AM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 10:34 AM - CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Beckman, Rick)
9. 01:00 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Joe)
10. 01:35 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Gig Giacona)
11. 02:42 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Bill Pagan)
12. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Craig Payne)
13. 03:19 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
14. 03:40 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Bill Pagan)
15. 03:56 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
16. 04:05 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (leinad)
17. 04:13 PM - Re: Fuel sight gage (Bill Naumuk)
18. 04:15 PM - Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (leinad)
19. 04:22 PM - Re: Fuel sight gage (Bill Naumuk)
20. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Robert Taylor)
21. 06:53 PM - Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (FlyGuyTililDie)
22. 07:08 PM - Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (mcjon77)
23. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
24. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
25. 09:05 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
26. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
27. 09:15 PM - Re: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
Does it look like this?
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Subject: | Battery cover answer...Giving back |
I installed a sealed battery in my 701. I also installed the battery
box but it has no drain and the DAR was ok with that when I told him it
was a sealed battery. I did put the cover on the box just to protect
the battery leads from foreigners.
DW
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 07:44:18AM -0800, FlyGuyTililDie wrote:
> Does it look like this?
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/500x5longpercent20closeup_641.jpg
Yup, that's it.
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
These are the same as motorcycle/ATV tubes. Check the tube to make sure that the
small nut and rubber washer are tightened down to the base of the valve stem
against the tube itself--these go inside the wheel. The other nut goes on the
outside of the rim to prevent the stem from pulling inside the rim during installation.
hope this helps
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
I hope this gets to you ok, Thanks, Bill
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From: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 6:52 pm
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Bill send it to me for ch601.com
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Mark Townsend? Alma, Ontario
Zodiac?CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
STOL CH750 Just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com
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Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
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Hello Fellow 601 Builders and Flyers, I have finished the picture/text description
of converting my XL to push/pull rods.
How can I post it so those that care to see it may? Its about 5 pages long with
photos and text. Bill of Georgia
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Gig, hope this get to you ? Thanks, Bill
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From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 5:10 pm
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Bill,
If you email it to me I will be happy to put it all in a pdf for you.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
I hope I'm doing this correct. Best regards, Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Trevor Jennings <tjennings@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
You can save it as a PDF and post it as an attachment perhaps.
- Trevor
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:15 PM, <japhillipsga@aol.com> wrote:
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> Hello Fellow 601 Builders and Flyers, I have finished the picture/text
> description of converting my XL to push/pull rods.
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> How can I post it so those that care to see it may? Its about 5 pages long
> with photos and text. Bill of Georgia
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Subject: | CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Bill, I just want to say "Thanks!" for the push rod
pictures!
Rick of Buckner
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
can someone please send me drawings and or pictures
if not e mail please fax to 7048270937
thanks joe ham 601xl 0235
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From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Mark, I left the thing on my computer at work and I won't be back in
the office until Tuesday. I'll try to send it to you then. Thanks, Bill
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
First and foremost. Thank you Bill. You have really added a heck of a nice piece
of data to the 601 community with this.
Second. Just so I can add a little something I've converted it to a pdf file for
those that don't have Word and that is attached.
Finally Joe Ham. Check your e-mail a copy should be there shortly.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227190#227190
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rods_793.pdf
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Maybe I missed it but were the pics posted someplace of the aileron pushrod
setup?
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Joe <Joe@Hambrothers.com> wrote:
From: Joe <Joe@Hambrothers.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
can someone please send me drawings and or pictures
if not e mail please fax to 7048270937
thanks joe ham- 601xl 0235
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From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
Mark, I left the thing on my computer at work and I won't be back in the of
fice until Tuesday. I'll try to send it to you then. Thanks, Bill
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Thanks Gig. You should post the PDF to the file/photo sharing area. Links to
attachments aren't valid after a number of days.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
First and foremost. Thank you Bill. You have really added a heck of a nice
piece of data to the 601 community with this.
Second. Just so I can add a little something I've converted it to a pdf file
for those that don't have Word and that is attached.
Finally Joe Ham. Check your e-mail a copy should be there shortly.
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W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227190#227190
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/rods_793.pdf
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Send me a copy for the Aileron Push Rods I haven't seen it yet!
David Coberly 601XL / Corvair
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Thanks Gig for posting this and thanks Bill for creating it.- It is a gre
at-conversion to consider.
Bill Pagan
EAA Tech Counselor #4395
601XL QBK/Corvair/N565BW (RES)
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Gig Giacona <wrgiacona@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods.
First and foremost. Thank you Bill. You have really added a heck of a nice
piece of data to the 601 community with this.
Second. Just so I can add a little something I've converted it to a pdf fil
e for those that don't have Word and that is attached.
Finally Joe Ham. Check your e-mail a copy should be there shortly.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227190#227190
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Dave and Fellow 601 Builders & Flyers, I've sent and posted the Aileron
Control Rod conversion saga about half a dozen places so far, but I don't really
know where it'll end up for viewing and down load. Hopefully somebody who
knows just the right localtion to place it for easy viewing will grab it up.
When you see it and if your not too pissed off at me and you have any questions
write me and I'll be happy to help. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Nicely done Bill!
Dan Dempsey, working on wings
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Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gage |
Craig-
I'll look into it. Thankfully I'm not past the point of no return,
but I'm still tap dancing.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
I know of two vendors of optical fuel presence sensors. They won't
monitor the level throughout the tank, just tell you when it passes a
point. The first (Pillar Point Avionics) appears to have gone out of
business as of the end of 2008. That leaves Aircraft Extras:
http://www.aircraftextras.com/
They appear to only sell a complete system for detecting *low* fuel
levels. But there is no reason why the sensors couldn't be used to
detect a high level. See if they will sell just the sensor.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Naumuk
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:24 PM
To: zenith list
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
All-
Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room left
in my panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts using
14" pliers considering everything I have to work around.
So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm
not worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the header
during wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank" alarm would
be the most useful.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
FlyGuy,
Jay and I were talking about this at monday night chat and I have yet to do this
assembly myself. I still don't understand where the nuts go and what gets clamped.
There are threads on the stem near the cap and near the tube seperated
by a smaller diamter smooth part of the stem. There isn't enough thread on
the part near the tube for both nuts on my inner tubes or Jay's. It doesn't
look like there are enough on the picture that you posted. Does the one nut stay
near the cap, as in your picture?
Dan
FlyGuyTililDie wrote:
> These are the same as motorcycle/ATV tubes. Check the tube to make sure that
the small nut and rubber washer are tightened down to the base of the valve stem
against the tube itself--these go inside the wheel. The other nut goes on
the outside of the rim to prevent the stem from pulling inside the rim during
installation.
>
> hope this helps
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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Subject: | Re: Fuel sight gage |
Herb-
I'll have to root through their web page when I have time. Thanks
for the lead.
Bill
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----- Original Message -----
From: Herb Heaton
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
Bill,
I just purchased a capacitance fuel sender from Skysports.
http://airstuff.com/eshop/10Browse.asp A/S carries them also but not
all of the options. High and low switches are available.
Herb
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:24 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fuel sight gage
All-
Thanks much for your input. Unfortunately, I don't have room
left in my panel to accommodate a sight gage. I can barely start nuts
using 14" pliers considering everything I have to work around.
So, here's my plan B question. What sender would you put in? I'm
not worried about the wing tanks, just being able to monitor the header
during wing tank fuel transfers. A sender with a "Full tank" alarm would
be the most useful.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Looks likea great mod. A query on the tube size for the push rods Bill. Tub
e size 1.1/8 inch OD .49 wall thickness=2Cis that .49 of an inch?
Rob Taylor.
xl.paint and interior to go.> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: CH601 XL Aileron Pu
sh Rods.> From: wrgiacona@gmail.com> Date: Tue=2C 27 Jan 2009 13:24:22 -080
Giacona" <wrgiacona@gmail.com>> > First and foremost. Thank you Bill. You
have really added a heck of a nice piece of data to the 601 community with
this.> > Second. Just so I can add a little something I've converted it to
a pdf file for those that don't have Word and that is attached.> > Finally
Joe Ham. Check your e-mail a copy should be there shortly.> > --------> W.R
. "=3BGig"=3B Giacona> 601XL Under Construction> See my progress at
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
The outside nut (closest to the valve stem cap) just tightens down to the outside
of the rim; I'm not sure if there is a recommended torque for this. The other
nut just gets tightened to the base of the tube. To be honest I'm not sure
if that base nut is necessary for this type of application but I'll leave that
up to you. The attached photo shows it being installed without the base nut
and rubber washer.
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
I'm not a Zodiac builder, but I just had to comment that this is the kind of innovation
and information sharing that has drawn me to the homebuilding community.
:D
Bill, you should SERIOUSLY consider submitting your article to either the new "Experimenter"
e-magazine from the EAA or "Sport Aviation". We really need more
articles from people showing their innovative solutions and modifications to
their homebuilt aircraft. I'm sure your article can be valuable to others, beyond
those reading this list. Thanks for the great work.
--------
Jon McDonald
Building Sonex #1287
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Subject: | Re: Grove nosewheel tube and tire assembly |
>From what I remember you only use 1 nut and it is the one where the stem
meets the tube. Some rims use the second one to hold the stem from going back in
the wheel but ours don't. If you can't find an answer I will pull my front
wheel and check for sure.
Jeff
In a message dated 1/27/2009 7:17:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
leinad@hughes.net writes:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "leinad" <leinad@hughes.net>
FlyGuy,
Jay and I were talking about this at monday night chat and I have yet to do
this assembly myself. I still don't understand where the nuts go and what
gets clamped. There are threads on the stem near the cap and near the tube
seperated by a smaller diamter smooth part of the stem. There isn't enough
thread on the part near the tube for both nuts on my inner tubes or Jay's. It
doesn't look like there are enough on the picture that you posted. Does the
one nut stay near the cap, as in your picture?
Dan
FlyGuyTililDie wrote:
> These are the same as motorcycle/ATV tubes. Check the tube to make sure
that the small nut and rubber washer are tightened down to the base of the
valve stem against the tube itself--these go inside the wheel. The other nut
goes on the outside of the rim to prevent the stem from pulling inside the rim
during installation.
>
> hope this helps
--------
Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
I'm curious as to why you used 049 wall and not the same as van's uses? I
saw where you took material off the tube end? Do you know what thickness that
ended up? I would think a thinner tube and not taking any material off the tube
end would not weaken the end that you are exerting force to would be better.
I am going to do this mod on the 601 I'm building and already have some tube
ends left over from a rv3 I built.
Jeff
In a message dated 1/27/2009 9:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rwtaylorjar@HOTMAIL.COM writes:
Looks likea great mod. A query on the tube size for the push rods Bill. Tube
size 1.1/8 inch OD .49 wall thickness,is that .49 of an inch?
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Jeff, I would have preferred to use the exact size tube I used in the
building of my RV-8a, but there was some logistical problems. The RV-8 uses a
1 1/8
tube at with .35 walls making the threaded insert plug too thick without
machining for the thicker wall tube I purchased at Spruce. Also I needed about
94 inches of tube and finding T6 that long this side of the Mississippi was
difficult and Van's did not sell it that long so I compromised and used tube
with .014 thicker walls meaning I had to remove that much material from the
threaded plugs I purchased from Van's. Also as the rods for the XL are almost
20 inches longer than the RV
rods and aileron forces are greater with the XL's unbalanced aileron the
thicker walled rod is desirable. I'm not an engineer so I am unable to refine
the necessary difference so like most men I over build. Hope this answers your
query and best regards, Bill
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Jon, thanks for your comment. I figure I have exposed myself enough now
they'll probably throw me out of the witness protection program as it is. Hope
the article helps you and good luck, Bill
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Subject: | Re: CH601 XL Aileron Push Rods. |
Dan, thanks for your thoughtfulness. I appreciate your comment. Best
regards, Bill
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