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1. 12:54 AM - Re: Y stick problem (fred sanford)
2. 06:04 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
3. 08:51 AM - Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets (William Dominguez)
4. 09:44 AM - Re: Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets (leinad)
5. 09:56 AM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (leinad)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (William Dominguez)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? (wade jones)
8. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: Y stick problem (Bill Naumuk)
9. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Y stick problem (LarryMcFarland)
10. 05:32 PM - Harness?? (Bill Naumuk)
11. 06:22 PM - Re: Harness?? (Dr Lyle Pahnke)
12. 11:28 PM - Re: Y stick problem (fred sanford)
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| Subject: | Re: Y stick problem |
I cut mine off. Tried to attach pix to previous message - didn't work.
Try this:
http://www.sonar100.com/panelwgpson.jpg
Fred Sanford N9601 do not archive
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
We have a brand new chat room for the Zenith group ready for use. Please
click on the link below to be on your way there.
While at the web site, please take a look at the new stuff for Experimental
Aircraft Builders that I am in the process of making.
You can also look at it from the "Chat" page. Click on the link at the
bottom of the page to "Pop" it up.
May be something there that you will be able to use in your build. The
newest additions are CNC cut Insturment Bezels, Adaptors, and Cover Plates.
Coming soon, Tie Down Rings for the Ch-701 and a real neat Inspection
Opening Kit that will be ideal for the bottom of the CH-701 wings, along
with other aircraft.
http:// <blocked::http://www.mykitairplane.com/> www.mykitairplane.com
George
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| Subject: | Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets |
The solid rivets for the spar are 5/32. I'm looking for the correct rivet s
queezer tip to drive these 5/32 rivets into the spar. I see 3 sizes in ACS,
1/8,- 5/32, 3/16 all cupped. Which one is the correct one?
I'm tempted to order the 5/32 squeezer tip but don't know if this is the di
ameter of the tip's dome or the equivalent for 5/32 rivet.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
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| Subject: | Re: Correct Rivet Squeezer Tip for Solid Rivets |
William,
The 5/32 is the correct one. They are specified by rivet size, not dome size.
Dan
[quote="William Dominguez"]The solid rivets for the spar are 5/32. I'm looking
for the correct rivet squeezer tip to drive these 5/32 rivets into the spar. I
see 3 sizes in ACS, 1/8, 5/32, 3/16 all cupped. Which one is the correct one?
I'm tempted to order the 5/32 squeezer tip but don't know if this is the diameter
of the tip's dome or the equivalent for 5/32 rivet.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
> [b]
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? |
The only thing I've purchased from Zenith has been the plans. In my opinion
the thing that consumes the most time building from scratch is sourcing materials.
I've purchased a number things only to find out that they would not work
and then had to find the right thing.
I would disagree with the post that said you'll have to buy a ton of fancy tools.
I've done almost everything with simple to make wooden jigs and fixtures and
tools most home handyman would likely have. I did purchase an oxy-acetylene
torch. I even made a bending brake out of wood.
I'm working on wing assembly now and then the only things left are to make a cowl,
and then paint.
Dan
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Scratch building XL with Corvair Engine
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? |
So far, I've made almost all of the parts myself. Still I have ordered a fe
w things from ZAC, they are:
- All rivets, except for the fuel tank rivets. (I riveted and pros-sealed m
y tanks using self plugging rivets).
- Fuel tank sender and fuel level gauge. (I shopped around and found that Z
enith have a very competitive price for them)
- Flap nylon control plate.
- Center spar upright angular. (didn't find them at ACS)
- Center spar bolts.
I will buy the landing gear kit if it comes with all the parts like axles,
rims etc.
Will I do it again? definitely yes, I enjoy the process of making my own pa
rts.
As other have said, the primary motivation for scratch building should be f
or the enjoyment of it. There is money to be saved but it is at the expense
of time, if you won't enjoy it, don't do it, get the kit. You can expect t
o save somewhere between 6 to 10 grands over the total cost of the project.
If you are going for a 22k engine and FWF, 10K avionics, leather seats and
other luxuries, saving 6 to 10 grands might not be much percentage wise.
I disagree about the need for expensive tools, you are not going to spend t
he saving difference in tools, that's a myth.
A bending brake is a most for a scratch builder, it is the single tool that
will save you the most time if you have a good one. It is not difficult to
make but most DIY brakes clamps the material with screws or C clamps along
side of the bed. Commercial brakes clamps the material by lowering a lever
in each side. This make a huge time saving difference because there are lot
s of bending to do and the time you spend tightening C clamps or screws rea
lly add up. It is not difficult to adapt this type of mechanism to a DIY br
ake if you are a little creative. Larry McFarland's brake is the only DIY b
rake that I know with side levers for clamping. But you'll need access to a
machine shop to make some of its parts. There is also Dave Clay's brake, i
t is easy to make with no need for machining.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Sun, 3/1/09, mcjon77 <mcjon77@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mcjon77 <mcjon77@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy
?
Hi guys,
I would like to find out from the scratch builders, regardless of which mod
el zenith you built/are building, what parts did you make for yourself and
what did you buy from zenith?- Also, if you were doing it over again, are
there any parts that you would have bought instead of building or built in
stead of buying like you did before?
Thanks,
--------
Jon McDonald
Building Sonex #1287
Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232567#232567
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Scratch builders, what did you build/what did you buy? |
Hi William ,I plans built my 601XL and built my landing gear without any
problems .If you consider building your gear contact me off list and I
will share my technique with you .
Wade Jones South Texas
601XL Franklin 0-235
----- Original Message -----
From: William Dominguez
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you build/what
did you buy?
So far, I've made almost all of the parts myself. Still I have
ordered a few things from ZAC, they are:
- All rivets, except for the fuel tank rivets. (I riveted and
pros-sealed my tanks using self plugging rivets).
- Fuel tank sender and fuel level gauge. (I shopped around and
found that Zenith have a very competitive price for them)
- Flap nylon control plate.
- Center spar upright angular. (didn't find them at ACS)
- Center spar bolts.
I will buy the landing gear kit if it comes with all the parts
like axles, rims etc.
Will I do it again? definitely yes, I enjoy the process of
making my own parts.
As other have said, the primary motivation for scratch building
should be for the enjoyment of it. There is money to be saved but it is
at the expense of time, if you won't enjoy it, don't do it, get the kit.
You can expect to save somewhere between 6 to 10 grands over the total
cost of the project. If you are going for a 22k engine and FWF, 10K
avionics, leather seats and other luxuries, saving 6 to 10 grands might
not be much percentage wise.
I disagree about the need for expensive tools, you are not going
to spend the saving difference in tools, that's a myth.
A bending brake is a most for a scratch builder, it is the
single tool that will save you the most time if you have a good one. It
is not difficult to make but most DIY brakes clamps the material with
screws or C clamps alongside of the bed. Commercial brakes clamps the
material by lowering a lever in each side. This make a huge time saving
difference because there are lots of bending to do and the time you
spend tightening C clamps or screws really add up. It is not difficult
to adapt this type of mechanism to a DIY brake if you are a little
creative. Larry McFarland's brake is the only DIY brake that I know with
side levers for clamping. But you'll need access to a machine shop to
make some of its parts. There is also Dave Clay's brake, it is easy to
make with no need for machining.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XL Plans
Miami Florida
http://www.geocities.com/bill_dom
--- On Sun, 3/1/09, mcjon77 <mcjon77@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: mcjon77 <mcjon77@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Scratch builders, what did you
build/what did you buy?
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 6:16 AM
<mcjon77@yahoo.com>
Hi guys,
I would like to find out from the scratch builders, regardless
of which model zenith you built/are building, what parts did you make
for yourself and what did you buy from zenith? Also, if you were doing
it over again, are there any parts that you would have bought instead of
building or built instead of buying like you did before?
Thanks,
--------
Jon McDonald
Building Sonex #1287
Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=232567#232567//www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Zenith-List" target="_blank">http://www.mat;
-Maww.matronics.com/contribution" ======
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| Subject: | Re: re: Y stick problem |
Fred-
Very interesting. Are you flying? Cutting down the stick a bit would
reduce the leverage and help smooth out some of the pitch sensitivity I keep
hearing about.
If you are flying, do you have any flying builders out your way equipped
with the Y stick? I'd be interested to hear an appraisal of the "Feel"
characteristics of both setups.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "fred sanford" <sonar1@cox.net>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:04 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem
>I cut mine off, and it works just fine.....Fred Sanford N9601
> Pix attached
> do jnot archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: Y stick problem |
Hi Bill,
I find the Y-stick really helpful for getting in and out of the plane.
In flight the stick allows my GPS to be mounted on the vertical portion
below and extend above and between the handles. This is helpful to
change GPS settings or even batteries while still being able to fly the
plane. I like the Y-stick and think it feels very natural from either
seat. See link,
http://www.macsmachine.com/images/completion/full/airmap500mt2.gif
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bill Naumuk wrote:
>
> Fred-
> Very interesting. Are you flying? Cutting down the stick a bit
> would reduce the leverage and help smooth out some of the pitch
> sensitivity I keep hearing about.
> If you are flying, do you have any flying builders out your way
> equipped with the Y stick? I'd be interested to hear an appraisal of
> the "Feel" characteristics of both setups.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "fred sanford" <sonar1@cox.net>
> To: <Zenith-List@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:04 AM
> Subject: Zenith-List: re: Y stick problem
>
>
>> I cut mine off, and it works just fine.....Fred Sanford N9601
>> Pix attached
>> do jnot archive
>>
>
>
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All-
I need a wiring harness for a King KT76TSO transponder with alt
encoder and keep hitting a brick wall trying to find out how to get one,
or even exactly what I need.
All help or leads appreciated.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa.
HDS 601MG/Corvair 95%
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| Subject: | Re: Y stick problem |
Bill, I have the Y stick in my 701, and I have the shortened stick in my
601. Two different planes - but I see no difference. The shortened stick
allows me to relax my forearm on the center divider. I have seen that
others have had to add cushions to the center divider for flying with
the Y stick. As far as vertical sensitivity, I feel that the the
wandering comes from the plane and air currents rather than lack of
response in the stick,,,,,,,Fred N9601 do not archive
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