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0. 12:15 AM - Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:18 AM - Re: Quick Engine Question (FLYaDIVE)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: upper engine fittings (William Dominguez)
3. 10:57 AM - Re: upper engine fittings (Carlos Sa)
4. 12:32 PM - 6B6-4 (Carlos Sa)
5. 12:49 PM - Re: 6B6-4 (Steve Freeman (SDS))
6. 06:53 PM - firewall upper fittings (Carlos Sa)
7. 07:25 PM - Re: firewall upper fittings (William Dominguez)
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Engine Question |
They should be 3/8".
If the 3/8" does not fit - for being too small it is because of the PAINT.
Use an X-Acto knife chisel blade to scrape the paint out. Also scrape
around the plug / accessory case and spray with penetrating fluid. Get a
1/2" black pipe to use as a breaker bar.
Since you are installing an oil cooler... Take the time to research the
PROPER hose and fitting size. Many an engine out there use a reducer on
the accessory case and therefore a smaller oil hose. Use the hose fitting
that will go directly into the case. It will give you better oil flow, no
restriction and slightly more quantity Also go with TEFLON hoses. They
are approved for life. The other stuff has a shelf-life and a
service-life.
On the fitting size... I think it is an ANxxx -6
Barry
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Steve Freeman (SDS) <
steve.freeman@syntaxds.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,****
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> Anyone out there with a Lycoming 0-235.****
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> On the back of the engine there are two =93plugs=94 that fill the oil coo
ler
> inlet and outlet. These screw in with a pretty big Allen wrench. Does
> anyone know what size Allen wrench this is? Everything I have is either
> too big or too small. I have tried standard and metric. ****
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> Any help would be greatly appreciated.****
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> Steve Freeman ****
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| Subject: | Re: upper engine fittings |
It looks like you have everything correctly aligned but will ask this just
in case, have you checked the firewall vertical angle? If the angle is inco
rrect, it will affect the positioning of the longerons (too forward or aft)
and this will affect the angle but only slightly. If everything is correct
, I would call ZAC for a fitting replacement, one with a wider base (on the
area in contact with the longeron) that you can trim to the correct size.
If you use the one you have, the rear bolt might be to close to the edge of
either the aluminum longeron or the fitting base of the fitting or both.
=0A=0A=0AWilliam Dominguez=0AZodiac 601XLB Plans=0AMiami, Florida=0Ahttp://
sites.google.com/site/billplane/ =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics
.com =0ASent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 10:34 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-Li
st: upper engine fittings=0A =0A=0AHello, Bill=0A=0A=0A=0AThanks for the co
mments.=0A=0AI am building from plans, but all the steel parts I buy from Z
AC - including the fittings.=0A=0AI have been through the same reasoning yo
u have.=0A=0AI checked the longerons a couple of times, and they match the
plans.=0AI don't have the drawings for the fittings (6B6-4), only the right
bottom quadrant of page 6B6, which shows the positions of the holes on tha
t part.=0AHowever, by comparing the fittings (6B6-4) to the longeron templa
te, I believe they are correct.=0AWhich leaves me with the possibility of a
badly shaped rear fuselage... Which I find hard to believe, as I have veri
fied measurements more than once.=0A=0AObviously I am missing something - i
f all the parts are good, how can the assembly be misaligned?!=0A=0AIf inte
rested, I uploaded a few pictures to zenith.aero:=0Ahttp://www.zenith.aero/
profile/CarlosSa=0A=0ACheers=0A=0ACarlos=0A=0A=0A=0AOn 7 November 2012 21:2
2, William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:=0A=0ACarlos,=0A>=0A>=0A>
=0A>Did you build the engine mount fitting yourself or did you buy them fro
m ZAC. In any case, check all the angles of the mount fitting against the p
lans, if they are ok, check the longeron conforms to the forming template.
If the mount fittings angles does not match with the plans, that is your pr
oblem. Judging by the picture, it seems there might be an error in the angl
e formed by the outside edge and the front that attach flat to the firewall
(where the bolt goes). The problem could also be that your longeron is ove
r bent.=0A>=0A>=0A>I'm at the same stage in the build as you are (but I'm b
uilding an XLB) and I have clamped the mount fitting to the longeron and th
ere's no misalignment. I built my engine mount fitting (have not welded it
yet) and the angles are exactly as per plans.-=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Wil
liam Dominguez=0A>Zodiac 601XLB Plans=0A>Miami, Florida=0A>http://sites.goo
gle.com/site/billplane/=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>________________________________=0A>
From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>=0A>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
=0A>Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2012 6:07 PM=0A>Subject: Zenith-List: uppe
r engine fittings=0A> =0A>=0A>Hello, all=0A>=0A>Has anyone had difficulties
with the upper engine fittings and the longerons?=0A>=0A>Something like th
e attached pic?=0A>=0A>=0A>Carlos=0A>CH601-HD, 650 canopy, from plans=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: upper engine fittings |
I just measured the firewall angle: 80 deg. To be accurate, 80.1 deg.
I agree I can't continue and use these fittings - I need wider fittings or,
preferably, fix the problem.
I am afraid that if I keep the longerons as they are, and get wider
fittings, I'll end up having problems with the canopy installation.
Something I have been thinking: the longerons template, if dropped on top
of the longerons (assume they are rigid but very light for this imaginary
exercise), the edge would follow the longerons exactly, and the front edge
should contact the firewall web.
In my case, the templates would (do) follow the longeron shape, but the
front edge wouldn't contact the firewall web.
To force the contact between the front edge and the firewall, I would have
to rotate the template around the point where it contacts the firewall,
next to the firewall's flange, rotating towards the fuse centre line.
If you imagine this, then you arrive at the conclusion that the rear fuse
sides should be at a different angle (seen from the top).
The attached file shows what I am trying to describe. The red lines show
what I think is my situation, and the blue lines show the correct layout.
And this also does not make sense, as the baggage floor does fit in place,
and so do the bulkheads. Argh! I'll have to spend some time tonight
measuring stuff (again)...
Thanks a lot for your comments, I appreciate your attempts at helping me.
Best
Carlos
CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, plans
Montreal, Canada
On 8 November 2012 08:56, William Dominguez <bill_dom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> It looks like you have everything correctly aligned but will ask this just
> in case, have you checked the firewall vertical angle? If the angle is
> incorrect, it will affect the positioning of the longerons (too forward or
> aft) and this will affect the angle but only slightly. If everything is
> correct, I would call ZAC for a fitting replacement, one with a wider base
> (on the area in contact with the longeron) that you can trim to the correct
> size. If you use the one you have, the rear bolt might be to close to the
> edge of either the aluminum longeron or the fitting base of the fitting or
> both.
>
> William Dominguez
> Zodiac 601XLB Plans
> Miami, Florida
> http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/
>
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Hi
Could someone please post the measurements of the upper firewall
fitting, 6B6-4.
I would like to verify that the part I got from ZAC is correct before I
continue searching for the root cause of my problem.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, plans
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What is your email I can send you the page from plans.
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: 6B6-4
Hi
Could someone please post the measurements of the upper firewall
fitting, 6B6-4.
I would like to verify that the part I got from ZAC is correct before I
continue searching for the root cause of my problem.
Thanks in advance
Carlos
CH601-HD, CH650 canopy, plans
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| Subject: | firewall upper fittings |
Hello
The problem has been solved: all I needed to do was to flex the longerons a
little bit and clamp them in position.
See attached picture...
Thanks very much to all that sent comments, suggestions and pictures, on
and off list.
Carlos
CH601HD, CH650 canopy, plans - back on track
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: firewall upper fittings |
Nice, glad to hear that. Sometimes the solutions are closer than we think. I was
reading your previous post looking at the attached drawing and was going to
suggest that you should check the distance between the longerons at its widest
spot to be around 44", that is the distance that ZAC advertise as the fuselage
width. It is possible they where a bit wider causing an angle that will not
align to the fitting.
William Dominguez
Zodiac 601XLB Plans
Miami, Florida
http://sites.google.com/site/billplane/
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From: Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:52 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: firewall upper fittings
Hello
The problem has been solved: all I needed to do was to flex the longerons a little
bit and clamp them in position.
See attached picture...
Thanks very much to all that sent comments, suggestions and pictures, on and off
list.
Carlos
CH601HD, CH650 canopy, plans - back on track
Montreal, Canada
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