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4. 04:10 PM - Re: plans built - no plans (Larry McFarland)
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6. 08:10 PM - Re: plans built - no plans (Tim Kiehl)
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| Subject: | plans built - no plans |
Hi,
I'd recommend you place an ad for used plans for the HDS in the Matronics forum
Zenith 601 group.
Lots of info there. Then, there's my site which has some specific information on
fuel, electrical etc.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airplayn
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
I just bought a 601HDS (N305BM #MM020) from the widow of a friend but she cant
find ANY documentation or logs. I tried to contact the builder but hes disappeared
and Zenith wont help me because they say the serial number is not in their
records. I have questions about fuel system and have been trying to get all
the info I can find. I have gone through the forum and found many useful posts
but would like to chat with someone familiar with the design. Would anyone here
be interested in giving me a hand? I would also like copies of fuel system
as designed.
The plane looks OK except for what I consider serious deficiencies in the plumbing.
The canopy is a terrible mess as well. It looks like someone didnt like to
full span hinges on the ailerons and that they almost literally hacked the skin
apart with a saw and bolted on hinges Sad smile
Other than these things the plane has only 34 hrs on the hobbs with a 235 Lyc..
I have a pix of the Zodiac HD Super" (or "Speedwing" as I like to call her) as
well as my other planes on my facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779&set=pb.1030543267.0.1346001744
I have been flying and restoring antiques for 35 ears but this is my first experimental
and spam can (I usually go for rag wing taildraggers) and I have three
1940s Taylorcrafts and a 1951 Bellanca Cruisemaster
airplayn@hotmail.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381894#381894
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| Subject: | plans built - no plans |
Larry=2C
I've been studying your outstanding site=2C hope you'll keep it running for
a while after changing planes. I have a 1951 Cruisemaster and a few Taylor
crafts too. The Zodiac is my first "spam can" LOL You can see my planes at
http://www.facebook.com/airplayn
If you're not on facebook try this link:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1392733051606.2050731.1030543267
&type=1&l=61f7aff6bf
I only need a serial number to get registered on their builder's forum but
Zenith said my serial # MM020 is not valid (they need one starting with a "
6") Can't get in touch with the builder=2C a Morgan Melton in Missouri. May
be someone who is already registered would allow me to use their password t
o get on the builder's forum. Or I guess I could see if anyone who is finis
hed or doesn't need the forum will let just let me us their serial number t
o get registered on the forum.
I appreciate the extra work you did to put your impressive knowledge on the
601 on the web to help others. Thanks.
If you're ever in AZ let me know and I'll show you around. We have a lot in
common. In the past I designed some prototype equipment as a consulting en
gineer. I do a lot of machine and metal work and even have a TIG welder.
Timothy A. Kiehl
emergeART
http://emergeART.co/
http://tim-kiehl.fineartamerica.com//
=93The universe is found art =85 from chaos emerges beauty=94
> From: larrycmcfarland@gmail.com
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
> Date: Mon=2C 27 Aug 2012 08:12:10 -0500
>
gmail.com>
>
> Hi=2C
> I'd recommend you place an ad for used plans for the HDS in the Matronics
forum Zenith 601 group.
> Lots of info there. Then=2C there's my site which has some specific infor
mation on fuel=2C electrical etc.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-l
ist-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airplayn
> Sent: Sunday=2C August 26=2C 2012 12:41 PM
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
>
>
> I just bought a 601HDS (N305BM #MM020) from the widow of a friend but she
can=99t find ANY documentation or logs. I tried to contact the build
er but he=99s disappeared and Zenith won=99t help me because th
ey say the serial number is not in their records. I have questions about fu
el system and have been trying to get all the info I can find. I have gone
through the forum and found many useful posts but would like to chat with s
omeone familiar with the design. Would anyone here be interested in giving
me a hand? I would also like copies of fuel system as designed.
>
> The plane looks OK except for what I consider serious deficiencies in the
=9Cplumbing=9D. The canopy is a terrible mess as well. It look
s like someone didn=99t like to full span hinges on the ailerons and
that they almost literally hacked the skin apart with a saw and bolted on h
inges Sad smile
>
> Other than these things the plane has only 34 hrs on the hobbs with a 235
Lyc.. I have a pix of the Zodiac HD Super" (or "Speedwing" as I like to ca
ll her) as well as my other planes on my facebook page
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779&set=pb.103054326
7.0.1346001744
>
> I have been flying and restoring antiques for 35 ears but this is my firs
t experimental and spam can (I usually go for rag wing taildraggers) and I
have three 1940=99s Taylorcrafts and a 1951 Bellanca Cruisemaster
>
> airplayn@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381894#381894
>
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On 8/27/2012 6:06 PM, Tim Kiehl wrote:
> Larry,
>
> I've been studying your outstanding site, hope you'll keep it running
> for a while after changing planes. I have a 1951 Cruisemaster and a
> few Taylorcrafts too. The Zodiac is my first "spam can" LOL You can
> see my planes at http://www.facebook.com/airplayn
>
> If you're not on facebook try this link:
>
> http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1392733051606.2050731.1030543267&type=1&l=61f7aff6bf
>
> I only need a serial number to get registered on their builder's forum
> but Zenith said my serial # MM020 is not valid (they need one starting
> with a "6") Can't get in touch with the builder, a Morgan Melton in
> Missouri. Maybe someone who is already registered would allow me to
> use their password to get on the builder's forum. Or I guess I could
> see if anyone who is finished or doesn't need the forum will let just
> let me us their serial number to get registered on the forum.
>
> I appreciate the extra work you did to put your impressive knowledge
> on the 601 on the web to help others. Thanks.
>
> If you're ever in AZ let me know and I'll show you around. We have a
> lot in common. In the past I designed some prototype equipment as a
> consulting engineer. I do a lot of machine and metal work and even
> have a TIG welder.
>
>
> /Timothy////A.////Kiehl
> /
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>
> > From: larrycmcfarland@gmail.com
> > To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
> > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:12:10 -0500
> >
> <larrycmcfarland@gmail.com>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I'd recommend you place an ad for used plans for the HDS in the
> Matronics forum Zenith 601 group.
> > Lots of info there. Then, there's my site which has some specific
> information on fuel, electrical etc.
> >
> > Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airplayn
> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:41 PM
> > To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
> >
> >
> > I just bought a 601HDS (N305BM #MM020) from the widow of a friend
> but she cant find ANY documentation or logs. I tried to contact the
> builder but hes disappeared and Zenith wont help me because they
> say the serial number is not in their records. I have questions about
> fuel system and have been trying to get all the info I can find. I
> have gone through the forum and found many useful posts but would like
> to chat with someone familiar with the design. Would anyone here be
> interested in giving me a hand? I would also like copies of fuel
> system as designed.
> >
> > The plane looks OK except for what I consider serious deficiencies
> in the plumbing. The canopy is a terrible mess as well. It looks
> like someone didnt like to full span hinges on the ailerons and
> that they almost literally hacked the skin apart with a saw and bolted
> on hinges Sad smile
> >
> > Other than these things the plane has only 34 hrs on the hobbs with
> a 235 Lyc.. I have a pix of the Zodiac HD Super" (or "Speedwing" as I
> like to call her) as well as my other planes on my facebook page
> >
> >
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779&set=pb.1030543267.0.1346001744
> >
> > I have been flying and restoring antiques for 35 ears but this is my
> first experimental and spam can (I usually go for rag wing
> taildraggers) and I have three 1940s Taylorcrafts and a 1951
> Bellanca Cruisemaster
> >
> > airplayn@hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381894#381894
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com>
>
You're trying to use the serial number the owner used on his data plate,
not the serial number of the plans. It would seem Zenith would be able
to give you the number of the plans based on the name of the person he
purchased it from, if he was the first owner.
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| Subject: | plans built - no plans |
Tim,
I=99ve sold a few plans for recumbent and bend brake, so the site
will stay until my last few pieces are gone and the list of builders
dwindles further. I still have a few
Questions to answer each day so it may be a year or more.
You have a rather nice collection of aircraft. I=99ve a friend Cy
Galley that has a Bellanca that=99s been in repair for 4 or more
years.
Fly Safe,
Larry
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
On 8/27/2012 6:06 PM, Tim Kiehl wrote:
Larry,
I've been studying your outstanding site, hope you'll keep it running
for a while after changing planes. I have a 1951 Cruisemaster and a few
Taylorcrafts too. The Zodiac is my first "spam can" LOL You can see my
planes at http://www.facebook.com/airplayn
If you're not on facebook try this link:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1392733051606.2050731.10305432
67
<http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1392733051606.2050731.1030543
267&type=1&l=61f7aff6bf> &type=1&l=61f7aff6bf
I only need a serial number to get registered on their builder's forum
but Zenith said my serial # MM020 is not valid (they need one starting
with a "6") Can't get in touch with the builder, a Morgan Melton in
Missouri. Maybe someone who is already registered would allow me to use
their password to get on the builder's forum. Or I guess I could see if
anyone who is finished or doesn't need the forum will let just let me us
their serial number to get registered on the forum.
I appreciate the extra work you did to put your impressive knowledge on
the 601 on the web to help others. Thanks.
If you're ever in AZ let me know and I'll show you around. We have a lot
in common. In the past I designed some prototype equipment as a
consulting engineer. I do a lot of machine and metal work and even have
a TIG welder.
Timothy A. Kiehl
emergeART
http:// <http://tim-kiehl.fineartamerica.com/>
<http://www.emergeart.co/> emergeART.co/
http://tim-kiehl.fineartamerica.com
<http://tim-kiehl.fineartamerica.com/> //
_____
=9CThe universe is found art from chaos emerges
beauty=9D
> From: larrycmcfarland@gmail.com
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:12:10 -0500
>
<mailto:larrycmcfarland@gmail.com> <larrycmcfarland@gmail.com>
>
> Hi,
> I'd recommend you place an ad for used plans for the HDS in the
Matronics forum Zenith 601 group.
> Lots of info there. Then, there's my site which has some specific
information on fuel, electrical etc.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airplayn
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
>
<mailto:airplayn@hotmail.com> <airplayn@hotmail.com>
>
> I just bought a 601HDS (N305BM #MM020) from the widow of a friend but
she can=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t find ANY documentation or logs. I tried
to contact the builder but he=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s disappeared and
Zenith won=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t help me because they say the serial
number is not in their records. I have questions about fuel system and
have been trying to get all the info I can find. I have gone through the
forum and found many useful posts but would like to chat with someone
familiar with the design. Would anyone here be interested in giving me a
hand? I would also like copies of fuel system as designed.
>
> The plane looks OK except for what I consider serious deficiencies in
the =C3=A2=82=AC=C5=93plumbing=C3=A2=82=AC=C2=9D. The canopy is a
terrible mess as well. It looks like someone
didn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t like to full span hinges on the ailerons
and that they almost literally hacked the skin apart with a saw and
bolted on hinges Sad smile
>
> Other than these things the plane has only 34 hrs on the hobbs with a
235 Lyc.. I have a pix of the Zodiac HD Super" (or "Speedwing" as I like
to call her) as well as my other planes on my facebook page
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779
<http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779&set=pb.10305432
67.0.1346001744> &set=pb.1030543267.0.1346001744
>
> I have been flying and restoring antiques for 35 ears but this is my
first experimental and spam can (I usually go for rag wing taildraggers)
and I have three 1940=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s Taylorcrafts and a 1951
Bellanca Cruisemaster
>
> airplayn@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381894#381894
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ==========
>
>
>
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/27/12
You're trying to use the serial number the owner used on his data plate,
not the serial number of the plans. It would seem Zenith would be able
to give you the number of the plans based on the name of the person he
purchased it from, if he was the first owner.
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| Subject: | plans built - no plans |
Tim,
Morgan Melton is still listed in the FAA Airmen database (www.faa.gov). You can find his information updated in 2010 there. The FAA allows the manufacturer to use whatever serial number they choose. At some point in the past ZAC starting "asking" everyone to use their plans number as the serial number. Mr. Melton evidently registered his plane in 2003 before that.
Jeff
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry McFarland
Sent: Aug 27, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
Tim,
Ive sold a few plans for recumbent and bend brake, so the site will stay until
my last few pieces are gone and the list of builders dwindles further. I still
have a few
Questions to answer each day so it may be a year or more.
You have a rather nice collection of aircraft. Ive a friend Cy Galley that has
a Bellanca thats been in repair for 4 or more years.
Fly Safe,
Larry
From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
On 8/27/2012 6:06 PM, Tim Kiehl wrote:
Larry,
I've been studying your outstanding site, hope you'll keep it running for a while after changing planes. I have a 1951 Cruisemaster and a few Taylorcrafts too. The Zodiac is my first "spam can" LOL You can see my planes at http://www.facebook.com/airplayn
If you're not on facebook try this link:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1392733051606.2050731.1030543267&type=1&l=61f7aff6bf
I only need a serial number to get registered on their builder's forum but Zenith
said my serial # MM020 is not valid (they need one starting with a "6") Can't
get in touch with the builder, a Morgan Melton in Missouri. Maybe someone who
is already registered would allow me to use their password to get on the builder's
forum. Or I guess I could see if anyone who is finished or doesn't need
the forum will let just let me us their serial number to get registered on the
forum.
I appreciate the extra work you did to put your impressive knowledge on the 601
on the web to help others. Thanks.
If you're ever in AZ let me know and I'll show you around. We have a lot in common.
In the past I designed some prototype equipment as a consulting engineer.
I do a lot of machine and metal work and even have a TIG welder.
Timothy A. Kiehl
emergeART
http://emergeART.co/
http://tim-kiehl.fineartamerica.com//
The universe is found art from chaos emerges beauty
> From: larrycmcfarland@gmail.com
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
> Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:12:10 -0500
>
>
> Hi,
> I'd recommend you place an ad for used plans for the HDS in the Matronics forum
Zenith 601 group.
> Lots of info there. Then, there's my site which has some specific information
on fuel, electrical etc.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at macsmachine.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith601-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airplayn
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 12:41 PM
> To: zenith601-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith601-List: plans built - no plans
>
>
> I just bought a 601HDS (N305BM #MM020) from the widow of a friend but she cant
find ANY documentation or logs. I tried to contact the builder but hes disappeared
and Zenith wont help me because they say the serial number is not in their
records. I have questions about fuel system and have been trying to get all
the info I can find. I have gone through the forum and found many useful posts
but would like to chat with someone familiar with the design. Would anyone
here be interested in giving me a hand? I would also like copies of fuel system
as designed.
>
> The plane looks OK except for what I consider serious deficiencies in the plumbing.
The canopy is a terrible mess as well. It looks like someone didnt like
to full span hinges on the ailerons and that they almost literally hacked the
skin apart with a saw and bolted on hinges Sad smile
>
> Other than these things the plane has only 34 hrs on the hobbs with a 235 Lyc..
I have a pix of the Zodiac HD Super" (or "Speedwing" as I like to call her)
as well as my other planes on my facebook page
>
> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3875602041779&set=pb.1030543267.0.1346001744
>
> I have been flying and restoring antiques for 35 ears but this is my first experimental
and spam can (I usually go for rag wing taildraggers) and I have three
1940s Taylorcrafts and a 1951 Bellanca Cruisemaster
>
> airplayn@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381894#381894
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/27/12
You're trying to use the serial number the owner used on his data plate, not the serial number of the plans. It would seem Zenith would be able to give you the number of the plans based on the name of the person he purchased it from, if he was the first owner. http://www.mat=====================http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web generous -Matt http://www.matronics.com/c=
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