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1. 06:42 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
2. 08:23 AM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa (flicka750)
3. 08:36 AM - CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? (flicka750)
4. 08:44 AM - Re: 701 & the Jab3300 (flicka750)
5. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: 701 & the Jab3300 (James Sagerser)
6. 11:14 AM - Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 08/24/08 (Bob & Lin)
7. 11:27 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_CH701_versus_CH750_-_Ord?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ering=3F? (Jean-Paul Roy)
8. 12:10 PM - Answers for the questions about the 750 (MacDonald Doug)
9. 01:11 PM - Annual Condition Inspection (Tommy Walker)
10. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Ken Ryan)
11. 02:47 PM - Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? (Bob Sturgis)
12. 04:43 PM - Re: 701 Engine Selection (kmccune)
13. 08:33 PM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (NYTerminat@aol.com)
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Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa |
"Welcome to the Zenith 701/801 list. I hope you are able to get the
information that you are looking for and that you build the world's greatest
homebuilt."
I don't think a single question was ever answered.
[quote="Tommy Walker"]DO NOT ARCHIVE.
Flicka750,
Welcome to the Zenith 701/801 list. I hope you are able to get the information
that you are looking for and that you build the worlds greatest homebuilt. I
wish I were able to help you as you gather information about which plane/engine
combination is best. It may be possible that CAN-ZAC is a franchise of Zenith
Air, or ZenAir, or whatever its called and lists all the engines that you
can bolt onto the front of a 701 firewall. I cant speak for Mark T. but Ive found
him to be open and forthright about responding to questions. I doubt many
of the regular builders here have enough information about the 750 to make intelligent
responses.
I think you asked if any of the listers were scientists or engineers. I am not
a scientist or engineer but my father was an engineer. He worked for Southern
Railway for 40 years. Started out as a fireman, shoveling coal into those big
steam engine boiler fireboxes. He later became a diesel locomotive engineer
and kept his hand on the throttle until retirement. J
I never could do anything so I became a school teacher. As Woody Allen said, them
that cant, teach. Them that cant teach, teach gym. I was obviously educated
beyond my intelligence and proved it. J L
I am enjoying building my second 701 though. If light is your goal, you cant go
wrong with the STOL 701. I have a friend in Tennessee who is building a 701
with an O-200 as his engine source. He doesnt post on this list but does read
it, I believe. So, there are 701s with O-200s. A used Continental was my second
choice for the 701 Im building now, primarily due to availability and cost.
I found a good 912ULS though and went with that. I would bet that the Jabiru
would be a great engine match for the 750, not sure about the 701, but James
in Arizona has made it work. That is a lot of power for the lowly 701, isnt
it? But I guess you cant have too much of a good thing. Like I said earlier,
we have 496 lbs left for fuel and crew, so we can fly longer than we want
to sit in a 701.
I wish I could lay out some exact figures for you to help you along your path,
but again, Im not that smart.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Starting annual on N8701 tomorrow.
DO NOT ARCHIVE. Do Not Pass Go
Vote Democrat - it's easier than working!
Vote Republican - it's easier than thinking!
> [b]
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? |
What I know is that today I can order a 701 full kit for around $13k, and put up
1/2 in cash up front, most likely get the kit by xmas.
For the 750 at best its going to be piece-meal for a year,
There's a lot to think about. Order a 701 and you know what your going to pay,
and you'll probably get the kit by xmas, probably.
Order a 750, and you might get the plans by xmas, and might get the wings by new-year,
and the rest is a complete mystery. There is a lot to think about.
Do you just order the 750 components separate and pay $1k in shipping?
Early adopters of the 801 probably know how this ride will perform. Certainly the
701 is a known known. I think right now its out three months on backorder.
Then there is the issue of 'New' always with first generation of anything new there
are bug's, the bug's in 701 have been worked out.
What is the advantage of being an early adopter of the 750?
There are about a dozen questions above.
I have asked zenith many of the above questions about the 750 ordering process
where the components don't exist. I have gotten no answer. Their approach to business
seems to be "Our way, or the high-way".
In the case of the 750 do you order buy the piece 'avail by xmas' today, at 1/2
down in CASH? Or do you just pay them $10k cash ( 1/2 750 full kit ), and wait
for them to ship you the full kit? In a year? Or do they ship the components
as ready? But you pay for each shipment, or do they?
Again I have got NONE of these questions answered.
***
Scratch building DC-3's since 1907.
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: 701 & the Jab3300 |
I notice that when you google 'jabiru engine failure', you get enough reports to
write a book. Yet when you google 'rotax engine failure' you just get Rotax
lit on preventing such. It seems there are lots of Jabiru engine failures in the
early years. Does anyone know if these issues have been resolved??
[quote="lvuman(at)gmail.com"]This might be a good time to jump in here as there
seems to be a lot of
discussion as to whether the Jabiru 3300 is an adequate engine for the 701.
I have the first or close to the first 701 with a Jabiru 3300. It was the prototype
plane used by Pete at JabiruUSA to fit a firewall forward package using
the 701. A proven 601 cowling was modified for the purpose and more recently
was modified again to address cooling issues. Although the original cowling
worked well at temperatures below 75 degrees, cooling issues, specifically CHT's,
were too high while climbing for any length of time. I finally reglassed
the cowling and the cooling ducts to allow 40% more inlet air and opened the bottom
of the cowling to allow the correct differential pressure. The modification
worked wonderfully. I no longer have any cooling issues although I haven't
flown "Buzz" in temps greater than 95 degrees. I believe Pete at JabiruUSA
has since modified his firewall forward package to change his cowling and inlet
ducts to approximate my installation. Should be great.
I tried several different propellers (thanks to the helpful staff at JabUSA) and
have found the correct combination for me. In this process, Pete sent me a
68" prop which I loved but it was tested with the original cowling and the temps
were even slightly higher due to flatness of the blades close the inlet openings.
Would be fun to try it now with the improved cowling but am very satisfied
with my 64" prop. I can't remember the correct pitch, etc, but can supply
that information when I get back to Arizona.
The performance has been very acceptable, however it's hard to judge the difference
in a Rotax powered 701 as I have never owned or flown a Rotax powered 701.
I've owned and flew a 701 with a Jab 2200 for about 70 hours and Buzz for about
65 hours. Additionally, Buzz has been modified with PegaStol wings (retractable
slats), extended gear, etc., making it slightly heavy although the wing
installation increased my gross weight to 1,200lbs. It does get off very quickly
and climbs with two people at about 1,000' per minute. Works for me.
I really like the 3300 Jab engine. I also liked the 2200. I think the 2200 powered
701 got of the ground as fast or shorter than the 3300 but Buzz is at least
100 lbs heavier. I would have used another 2200 but the climb was only about
400 ft pre/min and needed more for Alaska and Colorado. Jabs start smoothly
and easily, and most of all, hardly any vibration in cruise (3300). I cruise
at about 85 with less than 4 gallons per/hour at about 2500RPM but can easily
push it up to 100 if I want to pay for the gas. With the new hydraulic lifters,
there is very little maintenance, single carb (which is a big plus), and
easy to do maintenance if needed.
I removed the wings and stored it in my garage while I went to Alaska and Colorado for the summer. I plan to put the wings back on shortly and hopefully, fly it to the Copperstate Fly-in in Arizona the last part of October. See: http://www.copperstate.org/ (http://www.copperstate.org/)
Hope this answers a few of the questions. For those of you interested, I have a few pictures posted at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22918119@N08/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/22918119@N08/)
James Sagerser
Chandler, Arizona
> [b]
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0436#200436
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| Subject: | Re: 701 & the Jab3300 |
No sure. Might ask Pete at JabiruUSA or Jim in California. They
should be able to give you an accurate answer. James
On Aug 25, 2008, at 9:43 AM, flicka750 wrote:
> <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> I notice that when you google 'jabiru engine failure', you get
> enough reports to write a book. Yet when you google 'rotax engine
> failure' you just get Rotax lit on preventing such. It seems there
> are lots of Jabiru engine failures in the early years. Does anyone
> know if these issues have been resolved??
>
> [quote="lvuman(at)gmail.com"]This might be a good time to jump in
> here as there seems to be a lot of
> discussion as to whether the Jabiru 3300 is an adequate engine for
> the 701.
>
> I have the first or close to the first 701 with a Jabiru 3300. It
> was the prototype plane used by Pete at JabiruUSA to fit a firewall
> forward package using the 701. A proven 601 cowling was modified
> for the purpose and more recently was modified again to address
> cooling issues. Although the original cowling worked well at
> temperatures below 75 degrees, cooling issues, specifically CHT's,
> were too high while climbing for any length of time. I finally
> reglassed the cowling and the cooling ducts to allow 40% more inlet
> air and opened the bottom of the cowling to allow the correct
> differential pressure. The modification worked wonderfully. I no
> longer have any cooling issues although I haven't flown "Buzz" in
> temps greater than 95 degrees. I believe Pete at JabiruUSA has
> since modified his firewall forward package to change his cowling
> and inlet ducts to approximate my installation. Should be great.
>
> I tried several different propellers (thanks to the helpful staff
> at JabUSA) and have found the correct combination for me. In this
> process, Pete sent me a 68" prop which I loved but it was tested
> with the original cowling and the temps were even slightly higher
> due to flatness of the blades close the inlet openings. Would be
> fun to try it now with the improved cowling but am very satisfied
> with my 64" prop. I can't remember the correct pitch, etc, but can
> supply that information when I get back to Arizona.
>
> The performance has been very acceptable, however it's hard to
> judge the difference in a Rotax powered 701 as I have never owned
> or flown a Rotax powered 701. I've owned and flew a 701 with a Jab
> 2200 for about 70 hours and Buzz for about 65 hours. Additionally,
> Buzz has been modified with PegaStol wings (retractable slats),
> extended gear, etc., making it slightly heavy although the wing
> installation increased my gross weight to 1,200lbs. It does get off
> very quickly and climbs with two people at about 1,000' per
> minute. Works for me.
>
> I really like the 3300 Jab engine. I also liked the 2200. I
> think the 2200 powered 701 got of the ground as fast or shorter
> than the 3300 but Buzz is at least 100 lbs heavier. I would have
> used another 2200 but the climb was only about 400 ft pre/min and
> needed more for Alaska and Colorado. Jabs start smoothly and
> easily, and most of all, hardly any vibration in cruise (3300). I
> cruise at about 85 with less than 4 gallons per/hour at about
> 2500RPM but can easily push it up to 100 if I want to pay for the
> gas. With the new hydraulic lifters, there is very little
> maintenance, single carb (which is a big plus), and easy to do
> maintenance if needed.
>
> I removed the wings and stored it in my garage while I went to
> Alaska and Colorado for the summer. I plan to put the wings back
> on shortly and hopefully, fly it to the Copperstate Fly-in in
> Arizona the last part of October. See: http://
> www.copperstate.org/ (http://www.copperstate.org/)
>
> Hope this answers a few of the questions. For those of you
> interested, I have a few pictures posted at: http://
> www.flickr.com/photos/22918119@N08/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/
> 22918119@N08/)
>
> James Sagerser
> Chandler, Arizona
>
>
>> [b]
>
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before
> the age of 18"
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure,
> defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's
> From Earth
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0436#200436
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 08/24/08 |
Re: Rotamax-
I just looked over the Rotamax website, and I am very intregued by the
concept.
3 moving parts. What a potential for simpler and safer. Plus a weight
savings to boot.
Does anyone know of anyone planning to use this engine in a 650 or
701/750/801?
Bob Lee
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> 1. 05:02 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
> 2. 07:33 AM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa (Tommy Walker)
> 3. 07:35 AM - 701 Engine Selection (Jim Fosse)
> 4. 10:03 AM - Re: 701 Engine Selection (gburdett)
> 5. 01:51 PM - 701/Jab 2200 (was) CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa &
> zencan different? (T. Graziano)
> 6. 09:47 PM - Wing root fuel/elec/pitot connections (Victor Menkal)
> 7. 10:20 PM - Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX (eightyknots)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:02:48 AM PST US
> From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters"
>
> Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
> Eastern Time.
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>
> George
>
> CH-701 - N73EX - IT FLYS!
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:33:06 AM PST US
> From: "Tommy Walker" <twalker@cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE..
>
>
> Flicka750,
>
>
> Welcome to the Zenith 701/801 list. I hope you are able to get the
> information that you are looking for and that you build the world's
> greatest
> homebuilt. I wish I were able to help you as you gather information about
> which plane/engine combination is best. It may be possible that CAN-ZAC is
> a franchise of Zenith Air, or ZenAir, or whatever it's called and lists all
> the engines that you can bolt onto the front of a 701 firewall. I can't
> speak for Mark T. but I've found him to be open and forthright about
> responding to questions. I doubt many of the regular builders here have
> enough information about the 750 to make intelligent responses.
>
>
> I think you asked if any of the listers were scientists or engineers. I am
> not a scientist or engineer but my father was an engineer. He worked for
> Southern Railway for 40 years. Started out as a fireman, shoveling coal
> into those big steam engine boiler fireboxes. He later became a diesel
> locomotive engineer and kept his hand on the throttle until retirement.
> :-)
>
>
> I never could do anything so I became a school teacher. As Woody Allen
> said, ".them that can't, teach. Them that can't teach, teach gym.." I was
> obviously educated beyond my intelligence and proved it. :-) :-(
>
>
> I am enjoying building my second 701 though. If light is your goal, you
> can't go wrong with the STOL 701. I have a friend in Tennessee who is
> building a 701 with an O-200 as his engine source. He doesn't post on this
> list but does read it, I believe. So, there are 701's with O-200's. A
> used
> Continental was my second choice for the 701 I'm building now, primarily
> due
> to availability and cost. I found a good 912ULS though and went with that.
> I would bet that the Jabiru would be a great engine match for the 750, not
> sure about the 701, but James in Arizona has made it work. That is a lot
> of
> power for the lowly 701, isn't it? But I guess you can't have too much of
> a
> good thing. Like I said earlier, we have 496 lbs left for fuel and crew,
> so we can fly longer than we want to sit in a 701.
>
>
> I wish I could lay out some exact figures for you to help you along your
> path, but again, I'm not that smart.
>
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
>
> Starting annual on N8701 tomorrow.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE. Do Not Pass Go
>
>
> Vote Democrat - it's easier than working!
>
> Vote Republican - it's easier than thinking!
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:35:19 AM PST US
> From: "Jim Fosse" <jfosse1@shawneelink.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Engine Selection
>
>
> I've been following the discussion about the Jab 3300 and the 912S and
> would
> like to offer the following as another possibility for an engine. I have
> ordered a Rotamax rotary engine to replace my Suzuki 1.6L. No experience
> with the engine and operating on blind faith and the spirit of experimental
> aviation. Look at the engine at www.rotamax.net and I think you will be
> impressed with its potential.
>
> Jim Fosse
> N329F
>
>
> rota
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:03:11 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Engine Selection
> From: "gburdett" <gburdett1@verizon.net>
>
>
> Good on you , Jim. As you said, that's why their called experimental. I saw
> the
> demo at Osh, really large rotors and they are flying in a couple of
> aircraft
> they said. If you live anywhere near Ohio, they might cut a deal to to use
> your
> craft as a test bed. Good Luck.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0269#200269
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:51:50 PM PST US
> From: "T. Graziano" <tonyplane@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701/Jab 2200 (was) CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why
> is zenusa
> & zencan different?
>
> I flew my 601XL/Jab3300 down to Shelbyville, Tn for an EAA breakfast
> yesterday and saw a beautiful 701 being flown by Pete of Jab USA (I
> believe Pete said it first flew Friday 22 August). It had Jab 2200
> ((Eight-five (85)horsepower)) engine installed.
> See http://www.usjabiru.com/zenithch701.html This is probably the same
> airplane, except the one Pete was flying was painted and beautifully
> finished.
> I asked Pete if a 3300 would be better and his reply was (if I recall
> correctly) that for the 701 you really do not need the power of the
> 3300.
> That Jab sure did sound sweet and take-off was .. SHORT.. like a 701
> does best.
> If I were building a 701, I would seriously consider the Jab 2200, based
> on my experience with the Jab 3300.
>
> Tony Graziano
> 601XL; N493TG; 414 hrs behind a purring Jab 3300.
> ---------------------------------------
> Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different?
> From: MacDonald Doug (dougsnash@yahoo.com)
> Date: Fri Aug 22 - 9:40 AM
>
> ...........................
> ...............................................
> "Jabiru USA however, endorses
> the 3300 on the 701 because they want to sell us 701 builders the more
> expensive
> engine.
> .......................
> ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> Now the 80hp Jabiru is a bit cheaper that either of the 912 Rotaxes but
> they have
> lost quite a bit of their price advantage over the last few years.
> Personally,
> I would not have even considered the Jabiru 80hp as a STOL engine but I
> have
> to admit the pictures of George Race's first flight that he just posted
> shows
> that it is capable of getting off the ground very quickly. I now have
> significanly
> more respect for this installation."
> .................................
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:47:12 PM PST US
> From: Victor Menkal <vmenkal@mac.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Wing root fuel/elec/pitot connections
>
> Hi gang. Would greatly appreciate any advice on connections for
> fuel/elec and pitot lines at wing root.
>
> 1)where is the best place to make the connections to make wing instal
> and removal as easy as possible?
> 2) what type of connectors are best for the different types of lines?
>
>
> Thanx Vic
>
> Do not archive
>
> Victor Menkal,P.Eng.
> Whitehorse, Yukon, Canada
> vmenkal@mac.com
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:20:23 PM PST US
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX
> From: "eightyknots" <scorchedenvelope@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hello George,
>
> I am using my first ever post on Matronics to congratulate you on your
> achievement.
> I am also considering building a STOL plane starting next year and may very
> well be a 701.
>
> The plane looks really great and the take-off and landing pictures are
> fantastic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hank
>
> --------
> Hank
>
> I am looking for a STOL plane to build, starting in 2009. Will it be an ICP
> Savannah,
> a Zenith CH-701, an Aeroprakt Foxbat/A22?Valor, etc ... ?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0366#200366
>
>
--
I'll keep looking for the haystack, 'cause when I look in Linda's eyes
The thought there is a needle, makes it worth a thousand tries...
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Keep asking. It makes for funny reading or should I say ,,,,,,,,repeating.
:)
J.P.
--- En date de-: Lun, 25.8.08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> a =E9crit
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De: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering?
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<flicka750@gmail.com>
What I know is that today I can order a 701 full kit for around $13k, and p
ut
up 1/2 in cash up front, most likely get the kit by xmas.
For the 750 at best its going to be piece-meal for a year,
There's a lot to think about. Order a 701 and you know what your going to
pay, and you'll probably get the kit by xmas, probably.
Order a 750, and you might get the plans by xmas, and might get the wings b
y
new-year, and the rest is a complete mystery. There is a lot to think about
..
Do you just order the 750 components separate and pay $1k in shipping?
Early adopters of the 801 probably know how this ride will perform. Certain
ly
the 701 is a known known. I think right now its out three months on backord
er.
Then there is the issue of 'New' always with first generation of
anything new there are bug's, the bug's in 701 have been worked out.
What is the advantage of being an early adopter of the 750?
There are about a dozen questions above.
I have asked zenith many of the above questions about the 750 ordering proc
ess
where the components don't exist. I have gotten no answer. Their approach t
o
business seems to be "Our way, or the high-way".
In the case of the 750 do you order buy the piece 'avail by xmas'
today, at 1/2 down in CASH? Or do you just pay them $10k cash ( 1/2 750 ful
l kit
), and wait for them to ship you the full kit? In a year? Or do they ship t
he
components as ready? But you pay for each shipment, or do they?
Again I have got NONE of these questions answered.
***
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| Subject: | Answers for the questions about the 750 |
Flicka, I suspect the reason that you have not gotten what you consider adequate
answers to your questions from this group is that this is NOT!!! a Zenith factory
e-mail list. We are just a bunch of enthusiasts like yourself. We have
no better answers that what you would get by talking to Zenith. Getting frustrated
with us serves absolutely no purpose. Mark Townsend is the only list member
that is actually affiliated directly with Zenith. I'm sure if you e-mail
him directly through the contact information on the CAN-ZAC website, he will
do his best to answer your questions.
The 750 is just to new for us on this list to know anything for sure. Until we
get a few builders with 750 specific parts in their hands, we won't know anything
concrete. All we can do is relate our experiences in dealing with Zenith/CAN-ZAC/Zenair
on other products. While I will guarantee there will be a few
builders that have some level of dissatisfaction with Zenith. Every business
has a rare few customers that fall through the cracks for some reason. However,
most of us will comment that we are very happy with the level of service we
have received from Zenith. It has been my experience that they are not in this
industry to make a quick buck. They are in this for the long term. They
want satisfied, long term customers.
I hope this explains why we have not been directly answering your questions.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
CH-701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Annual Condition Inspection |
701-ers,
I started my annual today and found a couple of things that might be of interest
to you. Actually, I found one of them a week ago, but started working on it
today.
Landing Gear.
1. 7L2-2A RUBBER SPACER. - Attaching a picture. You might want to include this
in your inspection. This is our third rubber spacer. I think I'm going to
find a 6-ply radial tire and cut me a length of material to support the gear.
2. 79-SB Rotax engine Radiator mount.
Obviously I did not have the needed radius for the bend in this mount. I am fabricating
a new mount with the required 1/8 " radius.
Hope this helps,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
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I'm thinking that the 701 with the 914 Rotax would be right for me. I would
like to know more about what's involved in raising the gross weight to 1320.
What did requirements did Chris H. put on you to raise the gross to 1320?
On 20 Aug 2008 at 15:48, Chris Lewis wrote:
> I'll jump into this since I've been dealing with this debate for some time
> - as a Chris H. - approved builder of a 110% 701 that's designed to 1320#
> and for Corvair power.
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Ken Ryan
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and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein-
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? |
do not archive=0AI payed for the complete kit up front and at this point th
e first shipment, most likely wings and all related parts, is scheduled for
shipment about the first of November. It will take time to build the wings
and I will not have to store all the other parts till needed.=0AI have a 6
01xl about 80% and plan to work on both as the time. Vary little left on th
e 601 by the time the 750 parts get here. I have a jab 3300 in the 601 and
plan to use the same in the 750. I had planed to build a 701 but at 6'4", 2
40 lbs. with a long- torso the 701 did not fit well. Could have made it w
ork but the 750 came just at the right time for me. No questions needed, th
e facts on the info sheet and a talk with Roger at the factory and I was so
ld. It is made for the larger pilot and a bigger power plant. Just right. A
nd still LSA.=0AI do not know why you are having such a bad time getting in
fo from Zenith.- Every time I call I get all the help I need, and all my
questions answered.=0AThere are some unknown, do to the fact that the 750 i
s just coming on line. Zenith cant control all the aspects of the launch, s
uch as printers, and other sub contractors, but they do there best and get
thing to you as soon as possible. =0AI have had some issues with the QB kit
, but that is quality control from- the builders in Columbia (sp) South A
merica. Not the Philippines. =0ABuy the kit that fits your needs, and get o
n with it. If you are not happy with the answers you are getting from Zenit
h and this board then move on and find another kit co. If you are not happy
now you never will be, no matter how good the kit, the company, or the air
craft.=0A-=0ABobefx=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: flicka
750 <flicka750@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon
day, August 25, 2008 8:36:50 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: CH701 versus
<flicka750@gmail.com>=0A=0AWhat I know is that today I can order a 701 ful
l kit for around $13k, and put up 1/2 in cash up front, most likely get the
kit by xmas.=0A=0AFor the 750 at best its going to be piece-meal for a yea
r, =0A=0AThere's a lot to think about. Order a 701 and you know what your g
oing to pay, and you'll probably get the kit by xmas, probably.=0A=0AOrder
a 750, and you might get the plans by xmas, and might get the wings by new-
year, and the rest is a complete mystery. There is a lot to think about.=0A
=0ADo you just order the 750 components separate and pay $1k in shipping?
=0A=0AEarly adopters of the 801 probably know how this ride will perform. C
ertainly the 701 is a known known. I think right now its out three months o
n backorder.=0A=0AThen there is the issue of 'New' always with first genera
tion of anything new there are bug's, the bug's in 701 have been worked out
. =0A=0AWhat is the advantage of being an early adopter of the 750?=0A=0ATh
ere are about a dozen questions above.=0A=0AI have asked zenith many of the
above questions about the 750 ordering process where the components don't
exist. I have gotten no answer. Their approach to business seems to be "Our
way, or the high-way".=0A=0AIn the case of the 750 do you order buy the pi
ece 'avail by xmas' today, at 1/2 down in CASH? Or do you just pay them $10
k cash ( 1/2 750 full kit ), and wait for them to ship you the full kit? In
a year? Or do they ship the components as ready? But you pay for each ship
ment, or do they? =0A=0AAgain I have got NONE of these questions answered.
=0A=0A***=0A=0AScratch building DC-3's since 1907.=0A=0A--------=0Aflicka75
0(AT)gmail=0AEINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices befo
re the age of 18"=0ATWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated
pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's
>From Earth=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Engine Selection |
I'll second that!
May I ask why your replacing the G16 though?
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
Tommy,
I just replaced mine with pieces I cut out of a truck tire, this has been my
3rd time with pieces of rubber. I hoe this will be the final solution.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/ 912S/ 160hrs many landings
In a message dated 8/25/2008 4:11:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
twalker@cableone.net writes:
701-ers,
I started my annual today and found a couple of things that might be of
interest to you. Actually, I found one of them a week ago, but started working
on it today.
Landing Gear.
1. 7L2-2A RUBBER SPACER. - Attaching a picture. You might want to
include this in your inspection. This is our third rubber spacer. I think I'm
going to find a 6-ply radial tire and cut me a length of material to support the
gear.
2. 79-SB Rotax engine Radiator mount.
**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel
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