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1. 04:19 AM - Rubber for gear (Zed Smith)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (Jeffrey A Beachy)
3. 05:53 AM - Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? (billmileski)
4. 06:14 AM - Re: STOL landings in a 701 (billmileski)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? (Harvey Richards)
6. 06:27 AM - Help ! none Zenith related (stepinwolf)
7. 06:39 AM - Bungee question. (stepinwolf)
8. 07:25 AM - Re: Bungee question. (NYTerminat@aol.com)
9. 07:31 AM - Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (MacDonald Doug)
10. 08:12 AM - Firewall Boots (Dennis - 701)
11. 08:30 AM - Re: Dealing with Zenith - My Experience (flicka750)
12. 08:39 AM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (flicka750)
13. 08:40 AM - Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates (txpilot)
14. 08:58 AM - Re: Firewall Boots (Tom Faulkner)
15. 09:22 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_Answers_for_Flicka?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Mark_Townsend? (Jean-Paul Roy)
16. 09:51 AM - Re: Firewall Boots (Dennis - 701)
17. 10:22 AM - Re: Annual Condition Inspection (Chuck Deiterich)
18. 11:03 AM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (flicka750)
19. 11:52 AM - Re: Firewall Boots (Ralph Sharp)
20. 12:17 PM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (billmileski)
21. 12:19 PM - Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas (Bob Sturgis)
22. 12:54 PM - Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas (ZodieRocket)
23. 01:33 PM - test (ZodieRocket)
24. 03:18 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Chris Lewis)
25. 04:02 PM - Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. (ZodieRocket)
26. 04:18 PM - Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates (SafeAirOne)
27. 04:21 PM - Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas (Dan)
28. 05:21 PM - Re: Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. (stepinwolf)
29. 05:24 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p?= E : Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark (stepinwolf)
30. 05:42 PM - Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates (txpilot)
31. 07:15 PM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (Gary Gower)
32. 07:55 PM - Bungee (ZodieRocket)
33. 08:45 PM - Very long post for Flicka (Joe Spencer)
34. 09:01 PM - Re: 701 Engine Selection (Jim Fosse)
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Tommy Walker --
When it got to the point of attaching the gear I dug into my "pack rat collection"
and came up with a piece of conveyor belt. This particular piece came from
an open-pit lignite mine. About 5/8 inch thick, tuff stuff. Haven't flown it
yet, but figured if it would handle hundreds of tons of coal a minute then surely
it might stand the strain of a 701.
Another source of belting is your local ready-mix concrete plant. When a belt
craps out there it is normally left under the framework until the fellow in charge
decides to have a house cleaning.
Shouldn't mind if you hauled off several feet of it. Take a hacksaw.
Also, sawmills, quarries, other heavy duty operations use belts.....look around.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
On the advice of a fellow builder, I went to the nearest Caterpillar
heavy equipment dealer and bought a short section of heavy hydrolic hose,
which I cut in half lengthwise. I then cut pieces to fit the landing gear
bracket. 138 hours later they haven't slipped out or worn through. The
curve of the hose helps keep them in place.
Jeff Beachy
> Tommy,
>
> I just replaced mine with pieces I cut out of a truck tire, this
has been my
3rd time with pieces of rubber. I hoe this will be the final
solution.
>
> Bob Spudis
> N701ZX/ 912S/ 160hrs many landings
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? |
You all just reminded me that I plunked down over $14K all at once, on the 701
kit, without having even sat in one. And I'm 6'2". Boy I must have been crazy.
Off to go fly now.
Bill Mileski
701 912S 143hrs
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| Subject: | Re: STOL landings in a 701 |
Les,
Nice discussion of STOL technique at http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
I tend to come in power off at just over 50mph, like the prev. poster, and time
an aggressive flare, which bleeds the speed quickly. The above link describes
a similar technique, as well as a "behind the power curve" approach, with stated
risk and limitations.
I have a rather aft CG, and it still can be tricky when heavy. This past weekend
it was a little gusty and had my father along. I flared a little early, and
then I think there was a little gust from behind (or hole in the headwind) and
the bottom dropped out. I instantly added power and raised the nose to that
"tail probably getting close to the ground" AOA, which arrested the descent
at some very low airspeed, and was very surprised. Was able to reestablish a
nice rate for touchdown. Could have also just been that the wind came back on
the nose. Or maybe I have more reserve AOA in this mode than I thought, or could
learn to get more STOL performance as well. Now if I had an LRI.. Also been
considering the vortex generators for the elevator..
Bill Mileski
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 versus CH750 - Ordering? |
I have had no problems getting questions answered and even found someone gracious
enough to take me up in a 701. I suspect Zenith figured you out fairly quickly
and you have managed to annoy anyone here who was willing to help. I suggest
we ignore this clown. Harvey Richards
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| Subject: | Help ! none Zenith related |
This post has nothing to do with Zenith aircraft, but I have a problem, and was
wondering if anybody could be of help.
Does anyone by chance, have any plans on attending the NSRA ( National Street Rod
) Regional show next month in Burlington Vermont. I need to have some wheels
sent, and because of the brokerage issue, I can't have them shipped cross border.
If anybody can help with this problem, please contact me off List at the following.
robert.pelland@cgocable.ca
A big thank you to anyone who takes the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec.
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| Subject: | Bungee question. |
Can anyone give me an estimate ( from personal experience ) of the life expectancy
of the bungee on the front landing gear strut of the CH 701. I purchased
the heavy duty model from Aircraft Spruce, and would not be happy if I were obliged
to replace it regularly.
I have been told in the past that it could be a yearly thing, however I doubt the
source of the information.
Bob the 701 + 750 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee question. |
Bob,
2 1/2 years, many landings almost exclusively on grass, 160 hrs and the
bungee is still fine.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:40:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
robert.pelland@cgocable.ca writes:
Can anyone give me an estimate ( from personal experience ) of the life
expectancy of the bungee on the front landing gear strut of the CH 701. I
purchased the heavy duty model from Aircraft Spruce, and would not be happy if
I
were obliged to replace it regularly.
I have been told in the past that it could be a yearly thing, however I
doubt the source of the information.
Bob the 701 + 750 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical difficulties
right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it would
be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up
and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in the
next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond
and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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I have noticed that some builders have used rubber boots on the firewall to cover
the openings where the push rods come thru. I assume they are automotive type
boots. Anyone have a make or part number of one that would work.
Thanks for your help.
Dennis
N701NH
912ULS
Chelsea, Michigan
PS: All flying surfaces done, working on rear fuselage.
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| Subject: | Re: Dealing with Zenith - My Experience |
George you went almost six paragraphs without mentioning your 2,000 pic dvd collection,
and your website.
This collection of over 2000 pictures can be yours to view or print using your
computer. The collection comes on one DVD that is sorted and indexed into folders
by subject matter to make it easy to find any portion of the aircraft you
want to see. Over 4 GB of high resolution pictures!
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701/index.htm
[quote="georgerace"]Let me start by saying that I have absolutely no connection
to anyone at Zenith.
Three years ago I visited the Zenith plant in Mexico MO and took my first ride
in a 701. I was greatly impressed with the 701, pilot Roger, and everyone
that I talked with at the plant. I actually "wandered" around in the production
area taking pictures and talking to everyone for over two hours. There was
not one person that did not stop what they were doing and explain in detail
their job and where their piece fit into the airplane. I was shown the CNC
press doing pilot holes. I watched fuel tank welding by a very nice Lady who
stopped to explain how she welded the aluminum filler neck into place. I talked
to several who were just bending and forming metal, most by hand with wooden
blocks and hammers. All in all it convinced me that Zenith was going to
be a company that would be easy to deal with and who cared greatly about the
quality of their products and service to customers.
Now three years later, and the proud owner of a flying CH701 I can say that all
of my expectations about dealing with Zenith have been met. Time and time
again, over the past three years, I either called or sent email with questions
and concerns as I ran into things that I did not full understand or did not
seem to make sense to me. Each and every time I either got to someone on the
phone who answered my questions, or received a return email within 24 hours
with a full explanation. Sometimes they even sent portions of drawings with
hand written notes, or at least one time, went out and took a picture of a
part on their 701 demo airplane and send it to me with an explanation to answer
my question.
I purchased my 701 in three "chunks" over the first year and a half. I was always
given an approximate shipping date and shipping costs. Each time they
beat their promised shipping schedule by days.
Why am I writing this, because I just finished reading email talking about how
hard it is to deal with Zenith. In the same batch of incoming email was a
very nice note from Shirley at Zenith. In part it said: "Thanks for sharing
your pictures and enjoy your flying." So if you are thinking of starting
a relationship with Zenith while building one of their airplanes, don't worry,
they really do care about and take care of their customers.
And as long as I am at the keyboard, I can say the same kind words about Jabiru
USA. Pete and Dana have always been right there for me. My Jabiur 2200a
engine and FWF kit from them could not have turned out any better.
And one last comment. Please don't jump to conclusions about anything you read
on these Lists. Most here are extremely helpful, and good information when
you have a question is usually quickly given. It is very apparent that there
are some who seem to be bent on giving misleading information or just giving
opinions to see their words in print on the list.
Form YOUR own conclusions, based on YOUR experience and enjoy building and flying
your Zenith airplane.
George Race
N73EX Now Finished and Flying
www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701 (http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701)
> [b]
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TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
Canada: Canada
CAN-ZAC Aviation
Mark Townsend
General Delivery, P.O. Box 168,
Alma, Ontario. N0B 1A0 Canada
Telephone: 1-519-590-7601
Email: info@can-zacaviation.com
Website: www.can-zacaviation.com
I really only had one question for can-zac, they seem to infer by their website,
that the 701 would be ok with the the jab3300. It would be good to know from
can-zac if the jab-3300 is a go or not on any 701, or is it only so ON THEIR
701-QB??. My reading of their website is that their Quick-Build variant of the
701, will hold up to the jab-3300. This was the original question for can-zac.
The US zenair site makes no explicit mention of the jab-3300 as an option.
Again my feeling is that the can-zac 701 QB is beefed up or something to support
the jab-3300 or perhaps they have a 601 firewall?
This was the original question.
Lastly, there seems to be some tangential misunderstanding that asking questions
means you think Zenith sucks. That's a theory of weak minds. I think asking
questions is essential. Getting answers to those questions shouldn't be so hard.
sincerely,
dougsnash wrote:
> Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical
difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it
would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up
and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in
the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond
and asked me to explain this to you all.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do Not Archive
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates |
Keith,
Regarding the transponder installation, some units require an antenna cable no
longer than 6 feet. You may want to check with your avionics guy or Bob Nuckoll's
website for your specific transponder.
I have a KT-76A with the antenna on the cabin floor, between the firewall and right
rudder pedals. I haven't flown yet, but my avionics guy says the antenna
placement is fine.
Regarding the com antenna, I placed mine on the top skin behind the baggage back
(leave enough room for 7C6-4 - forward fin!). I added an access panel in the
baggage back for accessibility to the antenna. Hindsight being 20/20, I would
much rather have placed the antenna just ahead of the baggage back for ease
of maintenance. I'll enclose pics.
I used a .040" backing plate along with 'L' brackets attached to the frame.
Hope this helps.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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Dennis
I used Yamaha snowmobile boots on my 801 and they work fine
Tom Faulkner
N801TP
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_Answers_for_Flicka?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?_from_Mark_Townsend?
What a pain in the a-----s !
--- En date de-: Mer, 27.8.08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> a =E9crit
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De: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<flicka750@gmail.com>
Canada: Canada
CAN-ZAC Aviation
Mark Townsend
General Delivery, P.O. Box 168,
Alma, Ontario. N0B 1A0 Canada
Telephone: 1-519-590-7601
Email: info@can-zacaviation.com
Website: www.can-zacaviation.com
I really only had one question for can-zac, they seem to infer by their
website, that the 701 would be ok with the the jab3300. It would be good t
o
know from can-zac if the jab-3300 is a go or not on any 701, or is it only
so ON
THEIR 701-QB??. My reading of their website is that their Quick-Build varia
nt of
the 701, will hold up to the jab-3300. This was the original question for
can-zac.
The US zenair site makes no explicit mention of the jab-3300 as an option.
Again my feeling is that the can-zac 701 QB is beefed up or something to
support the jab-3300 or perhaps they have a 601 firewall?
This was the original question.
Lastly, there seems to be some tangential misunderstanding that asking
questions means you think Zenith sucks. That's a theory of weak minds. I
think asking questions is essential. Getting answers to those questions
shouldn't be so hard.
sincerely,
dougsnash wrote:
> Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet
technical difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but
I suspect it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e
-mail
is back up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties s
orted
out in the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot curre
ntly
respond and asked me to explain this to you all.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do Not Archive
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18"
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Boots |
Tom,
Do I just go to my local shop and ask for Yamaha boots or will they need to know
a part number, size, etc.
Thanks
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Annual Condition Inspection |
Tommy,
I sliced open large diameter auto heater hose and made landing gear spacers,
for top and bottom of gear.
They have been in place a couple of years and no signs of deterioration.
Chuck D.
N701TX
Jab 2200
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
STOL CH 701 - Fast Build KIT NEW
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of
your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and
more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard
fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required
to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include
electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires
with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included
in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint.
Above is the data from the can-zen site, now it sounds to be like they're talking
about a different 701? The USA zen site says basically use the rotax, and then
says to get the hombuilt dvd alt-912 if you wish to do something else.
More interesting the can-zen site makes it sound like the O-200 is an option, yet
that is 215LB's even for the new TMX O-200 LSA engine.
Is this a typo? A different engine? A cut&paste from the 601 an nobody reads or
edits the site?
Are they putting a 601 firewall on their 701 QB?
dougsnash wrote:
> Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technical
difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect it
would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is back up
and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted out in
the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently respond
and asked me to explain this to you all.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do Not Archive
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TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Boots |
Dennis,
Go to Zenith-List and Photo File and Share www.matronics.com/photoshare . I
used Charles F. Long's solution on my 701 firewall. Still building but
looks good.
Ralph
N701SA (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis - 701" <dhall@cch.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:12 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Firewall Boots
>
> I have noticed that some builders have used rubber boots on the firewall
> to cover the openings where the push rods come thru. I assume they are
> automotive type boots. Anyone have a make or part number of one that would
> work.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Dennis
> N701NH
> 912ULS
> Chelsea, Michigan
>
> PS: All flying surfaces done, working on rear fuselage.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
Flicka,
An observation. It seems you are not getting a lot of support here, and I think
it may be because you are expecting all of the details to be completely worked
out for you.
Your perspective seems so focused on a "there must be exactly one right answer"
in all these issues, that you may not understand that the homebuilt plane world
(both in heritage and spirit) is not compatible with your approach. The reason
the FAA requires that you do at least 51% of the work, and that a special
airworthiness certificate can be granted, is to support the spirit of individual
experimentation. There is a lot of joy in building your own aircraft, by
integrating the many opinions out there on every topic, and achieving a unique
end result.
The LSA "buy and fly" version of these aircraft presents a new paradigm, and perhaps
your struggle here illustrates that there are those out there that want
a kit that practically puts itself together, and forms essentially a duplicate
of the factory-assembled aircraft. Maybe this will be the majority's expectation
as we move forward, I don't know.
And regardless of whether you have a 3300, 912S, turbo Subaru, Wankel, turbine,
or hyperdrive in a 701, or whether it's a 750, you will have a lightweight, pull-riveted,
sport aircraft with pretty much the same macro properties as the
next guy with a 701. If you finally get there, you may find that the practicalities
and fun associated with owning and flying kind of make the specifics you
are so obsessed with, a little less important.
One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out there,
that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually
teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right answer"
for yourself.
Bill Mileski
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| Subject: | Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas |
Mr Horses behind=0A-=0ATry to buy one of the new green cars hitting the m
arket in the next year or whenever. They have been taking deposits for year
s and have some sort of date for delivery. I have not seen one of them make
the date. I like 3 wheeled electric and hybrid cars, and have been followi
ng them for years. A couple have hit the market with a vary high price for
what you get, but all the rest are still promising a car some day. All have
hundreds if not thousands of reservations, with deposits of from $100, to
$5000.00. The kit industry is not the first or the last to do this. Look ar
ound. You have the Internet, or you would not be taking up space here with
your drivel. =0A-=0ABob=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messag
e ----=0AFrom: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matr
onics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:20:21 PM=0ASubject: Zenith7018
01-List: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas=0A=0A--> Zenith701801-List mess
age posted by: "flicka750" <flicka750@gmail.com>=0A=0AWell today I got emai
l from Zenith. Imagine that! ;)=0A=0AWhat I was told was that the drawings
wouldn't be done until the end of the year, thus I can assume that my CH-75
0 plans will not be available until post new-year. I was also told that nob
ody knows anything;) Imagine that!=0A=0ASeems like the wings might be avail
able by the end the year, and maybe the whole kit?=0A=0AOK what follows is
what I was told today by ZEN 8/26/2008=0A=0A"The lead time for the wings is
15 weeks and that will place the order for December and at that time it ma
y be that the complete kit would be ready.=0AAs this is a new aircraft and
was just released we do not have everything available and that is why we ca
nnot answer all questions yet.- The drawings have not been completed and
probably will not be ready till end of year.- I am sorry if this is not w
ant you want to hear, but if you have further questions, let me know."=0A
=0A15 weeks for wings, and maybe the whole?, I would bet a cold PBR that we
'll not see a whole until next summer.=0A=0AThe other day there was someone
here saying that he ordered floats for his 701 last year, to delivered in
May08, and still hasn't seen them, ...=0A=0AWell my rudder is done, and I o
rdered the CH-750 plans over a month ago, =0A=0AIt really surprises me that
companys do this, e.g. announce product so far before availability. I know
Van's is doing this with the RV-12 (LSA), where the wings can only be orde
red, and the rest who knows, and it was a long time ago, I think they took
40 orders at the SUNnFUN, that's how long ago they have been selling a plan
e that doesn't exist. ( Well except for prototype ).=0A=0AThe theory is nor
mal biz, wouldn't do this, but I understand that the CH-701 is back-ordered
3+ months because of tremendous demand from Europe. Basically they're now
charging a fortune to take-off & land at private/public strips, and thus ev
eryone wants a CH-701 so they can take off and land in their backyard. Note
having acreage in Europe is a big deal, so these are obviously wealth peop
le in Europe buying all these CH-701 kits.=0A=0AZenith is back-ordered eith
er way, so its not like people waiting for CH-750's is holding up 701 purch
ases, nobody is going to get their's tomorrow either way!=0A=0AAll I ever w
anted to hear was the truth:>=0A=0ATime goes quick, a mission without plans
and information is not a mission.=0A=0A***=0A=0AScratch building SR-71's s
ince 1946.=0A=0A--------=0Aflicka750(AT)gmail=0AEINSTEIN:"Common sense
is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"=0ATWAIN: "In
tercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most und
er-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic
online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0814#200
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| Subject: | CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas |
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Do not archive
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Sturgis
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas
Mr Horses behind
Try to buy one of the new green cars hitting the market in the next year
or whenever. They have been taking deposits for years and have some sort
of date for delivery. I have not seen one of them make the date. I like
3 wheeled electric and hybrid cars, and have been following them for
years. A couple have hit the market with a vary high price for what you
get, but all the rest are still promising a car some day. All have
hundreds if not thousands of reservations, with deposits of from $100,
to $5000.00. The kit industry is not the first or the last to do this.
Look around. You have the Internet, or you would not be taking up space
here with your drivel.
Bob
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----- Original Message ----
From: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:20:21 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas
<flicka750@gmail.com>
Well today I got email from Zenith. Imagine that! ;)
What I was told was that the drawings wouldn't be done until the end of
the year, thus I can assume that my CH-750 plans will not be available
until post new-year. I was also told that nobody knows anything;)
Imagine that!
Seems like the wings might be available by the end the year, and maybe
the whole kit?
OK what follows is what I was told today by ZEN 8/26/2008
"The lead time for the wings is 15 weeks and that will place the order
for December and at that time it may be that the complete kit would be
ready.
As this is a new aircraft and was just released we do not have
everything available and that is why we cannot answer all questions yet.
The drawings have not been completed and probably will not be ready till
end of year. I am sorry if this is not want you want to hear, but if
you have further questions, let me know."
15 weeks for wings, and maybe the whole?, I would bet a cold PBR that
we'll not see a whole until next summer.
The other day there was someone here saying that he ordered floats for
his 701 last year, to delivered in May08, and still hasn't seen them,
...
Well my rudder is done, and I ordered the CH-750 plans over a month ago,
It really surprises me that companys do this, e.g. announce product so
far before availability. I know Van's is doing this with the RV-12
(LSA), where the wings can only be ordered, and the rest who knows, and
it was a long time ago, I think they took 40 orders at the SUNnFUN,
that's how long ago they have been selling a plane that doesn't exist. (
Well except for prototype ).
The theory is normal biz, wouldn't do this, but I understand that the
CH-701 is back-ordered 3+ months because of tremendous demand from
Europe. Basically they're now charging a fortune to take-off & land at
private/public strips, and thus everyone wants a CH-701 so they can take
off and land in their backyard. Note having acreage in Europe is a big
deal, so these are obviously wealth people in Europe buying all these
CH-701 kits.
Zenith is back-ordered either way, so its not like people waiting for
CH-750's is holding up 701 purchases, nobody is going to get their's
tomorrow either way!
All I ever wanted to hear was the truth:>
Time goes quick, a mission without plans and information is not a
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Sorry Guys, this internet provider is driving me nuts, two weeks not
being able to send any E-Mails.
Do not archive
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Ken - Chris Heintz did not specifically put any "requirements" on me. I spent
considerable time reviewing the STOL designs and proposing 2 pages of changes
based upon what I saw in the 801 structure and after talking to several builders
and riding in a few 701's - including the factory demonstrator.
Some changes were obvious - 601 firewall to simplify my Corvair installation, replacement
of .016 to .020 throughout. I needed about 10% more cabin room, so
changes were made there. I added about 10% to the wing and tail dimensions (was
surprised to see the 701 rudder on the 750).
Other changes were related to 801 spar structures, none of which seemed to show
up in the 750. My plan includes streamline struts, the 801 style flaperon mechanism
that did show up in the 750 and the changed seat structure and extra side
windows that also showed up in the 750.
I'm not psychic, but these were obvious improvements from the 701 to the 801 that
should have been in anyone's "improved" version. I was pleased to see the rounded
corner extrusion as I have spent considerable time and effort trying to
come up with this look to avoid the outside corners on the 701 and the expensive
.093 inside corners on the 801. Not sure if I'll break down and buy the new
extrusion or stick to my own work-around.
I was pleasantly surprised by the new instrument panel in the 750. This improves
forward visibility dramatically at high AOA.
The downside for anyone else trying this approach is that Chris has stopped doing
design review on major changes and you might have a problem with your DAR without
the signed letter that I have, but I'm not an expert there.
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. |
I am not sure how long I will have E-Mail, but I will try to at least
get one letter off.
Hello Flick, as a new person you do not know me and as such you may find
me just another money grubbing person from a company after your hard
earned cash. Others on this list will attest that I have been here on
this list since the very beginning some 10+ years ago as a builder such
as yourself. I am also the webmaster of www.ch601.org
<http://www.ch601.org/> and www.ch701.com <http://www.ch701.com/> as
well as other aircraft sites non Zenair related.
I am a heavy supporter of Plans building, providing seminars and forums
on how to build from plans. I will also be doing a hands on forum at the
Zenith open house in September.
I have donated my company's time to Homebuilthelp to produce a few DVD's
on education of building Aircraft and components, receive no royalties
for my time on these nor pay for time spent. I enjoyed doing them and
have helped a great many people over the years.
I started Can-Zac Aviation Ltd 3 years ago to support the Canadian
Market and builder.
Now on to some of your questions, I may not get to all of them due to
E-Mail issues.
I have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no explicit approval of
the the JAB3300.
Yet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly say that the JAB3300 is a
suggested engine for the 701.
IT is Can-Zac, just to clarify. Zenith is a kit Aircraft manufacturer,
they do not support one engine over another nor do they provide support
for engines, they do make recommendations based on trials and designer's
imput. They are simply a kit manufacturer. Can-Zac Aviation is a
Distributor and as such we often have more opinions and information on
helping our customers make some decisions. IN Both cases the companies
only make recommendations to the builders and do not force you to
install one thing or another. Look at Zenith's picture gallery and you
will see all sorts of customized planes, Zenith is proud of it's
customers and there accomplishments, unlike many other companies that
state no changes are allowed to the plane, cosmetic or not. Even one
company that I know of will not allow you to use the planes name if you
install a Corvair engine.
IS the Jabiru A suggested engine for the 701, sure it is so is the Rotax
and the Continental, we have FWF packages available from companies.
Personally I would not install a Jabiru in the 701, I can think of no
better engine for the 601 or 650 but I can only personally recommend the
Rotax 912 for the 701. THE 750 may do well with the Jabiru 3300 I will
wait until I talk to Peter at Jabiru USA before I can comment on that
one.
Is the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up front for the slightly higher
HP?
Exact same kit, we only add labour
I'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it seems to be the best bang
for the buck.
Final costs between the 3300 and the 912ULS plus FWF brings both to
about the same costs in Canada. The performance of the 912ULS and
lighter weight for the 701 airframe make it a better choice in my
opinion.
More interesting the can-zen site makes it sound like the O-200 is an
option, yet that is 215LB's even for the new TMX O-200 LSA engine.
Is this a typo? A different engine? A cut&paste from the 601 an nobody
reads or edits the site?
No Typo and yes I read the website several times before I post it ( yes
I still make mistakes) There are many 701's out there with the 0-200 and
there owners seem happy with their choice. It is the philosophy of the
Company that you may be having an issue with, it is not a spoon fed kit
you do have options to suit your needs, if you need to install an 0-200
to suit your budget, hey I say go for it. Realize performance will not
meet the 912ULS but neither will costs.
Let's address the basics; You say "I don't understand why you have a
hard time, getting info from zenith". Nobody ever said zenith was known
for customer-service. I know from personal experience from calling
and/or emailing that my email never get returned ( info@zenair.com ),
and that when I call its always some old gal that is hard of hearing.
Please remember that the Folks at Zenith and the typical builder are
friendly people on the whole. They are not a retired military or a hard
sales tactic type to push a sale over on you. If it fits and meets your
needs then they will help you the best they can. Zenith is well known
for great customer service, you don't need a friend at the factory, you
just need a civil, friendly mannerism and though sometimes things may
fall through the cracks like E-Mails then simply call and ask for Roger
or Caleb on the Tech side and Shirley on the order and money side. As
for Shirleys hearing, she is a strong woman, that shoots it straight and
will not tolerate foolishness or an un-civil manner. IF you go in with a
huff you will get a wall, if you are sweet she will be chocolate.
Paying someone $20k up front cash, that you don't know, is a very risky
biz proposition, Zen we are led to believe is quite strong, their terms
are explicit 50% cash up front for an order. I'm sure if you want to pay
more they'll take it.
I agree, and constantly marvel at people spending large sums of money on
new companies. Zenair has been in business for over 36 years with one of
the strongest track records in the business. It is one of the reasons
why most people are attracted it is not just the Chris Heintz designs.
It is the company support, the history and the fact that they are one of
the largest Aircraft Kit Companies in the World.
I have had the order for the CH-750 plans for a month now, and they're
telling me November for the plans, and the same for the wings. I learned
that when the told me the rudder was the same. Since then I have never
ever gotten another question answered.
You learn from past mistakes, when the 601XL plans were first released
many changes were needed and updates were often done. In the STOL CH750
the plans are available for the plans builder and someone is working on
plans building the plane now to ensure everything is as right as
possible.
The people at QSP people at EAA-Arlington told me that the same people
in the Philippines that were doing vans QB were doing that for Zenith,
but that Zen had got pushed to the back of the queue, and thus was going
elsewhere. That could be what your talking about. I live near Van's, I
looked at some of the QB's just for the hell, They have piles to the
ceiling of them at their factory. I wasn't that impressed with the
flush riveting that said, given that zen is pull-rivet its different, I
have never seen a zen QB. My hunch is that SA quality could be worse as
these new have even less experience basically Van's taught the people in
Philippines how to build QB's, but they have so much work, Zenith got
pushed out.
Wrong information, You would have to talk to one of the Heintz to get a
clarification. I know that the 601 and 650 series QBK were being done in
Ontario for the AMD version and that is where I got my QBK's for the
Canadian Market as well as the Northern U.S. Market.
To me throwing down $10k-$20K cash to an unknown company in Mexico, MO
is a big gamble. To me its essential to ask questions. To me the release
of the 750 is like the 801, how was that for the first adopters??
Zenith is likely the largest kit company in the world, I would also say
that they have more flying planes then Vans. Please ask your questions
in a civil manner to the fellow builders on this list, however you
should also do a little more research. If Zenith is an Unknown to you
then I believe you have not looked at Google yet.
In the RV world there are 100's build-log websites, where you can email
directly to a builder, and get real info about a company. In the Zenith
world, it appears that MOST builders aren't HTML/HTTP geeks, which means
is there are very few websites that contain good technical information,
ran by a person who knows their stuff, and thinks like an engineer,
because they are an engineer.
Personal opinion, the RV world is populated by a very high majority of
Military and Ex-Military, these are people with a regimented lifestyle
and necessary bonus to building a plane in solid rivets. They may have
better websites due to lifestyle and availability. Zenith members though
they come from all styles and walks in life, they tend to be more
relaxed, the 701 I believe is in more farms and barns then any other
model out there. Many don't even have internet, they are sitting with
their buds.
However there are a great many websites with uncountless hours spent by
builders of Zenith products. Though once they are done building they
tend to disappear, as they spend all the spare time flying.
Let's take the last answer, "if your not happy move on". Well zenith
doesn't answer questions, and you did answer a few. Basically you told
me that you have paid 100% of ASK PRICE, and your going to sit like a
good pup and wait for Uncle Heintz to ship your toys when they're good &
ready.
Flick, condescending and ignorant in one sentence, it is easy to
understand your lack of responses, your posts upset me on a first read
and it takes a few tries to write a response that is not as strong.
Zenith, as stated before is a kit company, if the design is not suited
to your needs then please don't buy it. We do not have sales men, at the
shows are the same guys that work the factory floors. It is your
decision, no pressure no hassels. I believe from some of your other
posts that you have had a problem in the past , sounds also like you had
issue with the Van's world. Please keep in mind, different crowds here.
We are not here to fleece every cent out of you, as you inferred in
another post about builders centers. Some designs do so and lend
themselves to doing as such. That just isn' the fact here. Heck I just
bought myself a new Truck, a 97 Explorer to replace my 76 ford Van. That
is not the sign of someone who fleeces it's customers.
Lastly, there seems to be some tangential misunderstanding that asking
questions means you think Zenith sucks. That's a theory of weak minds. I
think asking questions is essential. Getting answers to those questions
shouldn't be so hard.
Flick, It is not asking questions that is a problem, that is why
builders have Forums and list to help each other out. They are not the
company, but typically will support their decisions and other builders
while and after the building process has begun for them. It is your
aggressive attitude that leaves many bewildered and defensive, your
first post was offensive to a few readers myself included, as such many
would not respond to your questions. The Uncle Chris line is used in a
derogatory manner upsetting many others, as you have seen a few
responses to.
No questions needed, the facts on the info sheet" that's a recurring
theme here, 'no questions needed' just EAT the SLOP in front of you, and
be a good camper, otherwise Uncle-Heintz might send you off to
purgatory. There are all kinds of people. Too many of these happy clubs
become a family, and the family's gatekeepers protects the family from
outsiders, who just might ask tough questions.
I have a very hard time being civil with this Question. It is not a
surprise that it elicits an angry response. However if an individual is
used to spending life cheating or being cheated then understanding can
follow. I don't know which Flick has been.
Unless you have placed your butt into the 750 then the info sheet is all
you have, plus the recommendations of those who have sat and flown in
the plane of which due to It being a new model are very few. For those
who bought site unseen, not is simply "eating the slop" it is a decision
based on respect and values of the Company, known by those who have made
a deposit sight unseen.
You will find that Zenith and Chris Heintz is hold of the highest
respect in the industry, it is not just a blind calling it is a respect
that has been well earned over a great many years. Chris Heintz is not
only a designer devoted to making the kit industry and his designs
available to the average person. But he has also devoted a lot of time
to the average persons learning. In Canada a lot of our Aviation
categories and regulations are written verbatim from Chris's
recommendations.
Read the websites, try to be a little more civil and less aggressive and
everyone here will be happy to answer the questions they are capable of.
This list is a great bunch of people and having them on your side is a
bonus. Upsetting everyone with a forceful attitude, in the end will only
hurt yourself and distance you from a great bunch of People.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flicka750
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:05 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa &
zencan different?
<flicka401@gmail.com>
I have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no explicit approval of
the the JAB3300.
Yet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly say that the JAB3300 is a
suggested engine for the 701.
Anybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers are running
two different companys, and certainly Canadians are comfy with the K-ROO
engine.
It really seems that the USA zen site is steering people towards Rotax
for the 701, but JAB in Canada.
Is the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up front for the slightly higher
HP? I don't really feel that the JAB3300 is that powerful, you have to
be running at 3300rpm to get 120HP, the 2900 @ 100HP is more realistic.
My question is that the USA vs CAN ZEN sites seem to be talking about
two different 701's. Anybody know the straight story??
I'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it seems to be the best bang
for the buck.
At this point I'm assuming that both 701's are the same (us&can), I know
Chris Heintz speaks highly of the JAB from his oshkosh talks, so you
know its got his seal-of-approval.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates |
List, Please forgive me for going off-topic here, but Dan, what is the substance
brushed on the aluminum in your 2nd (interior) photo of the antenna?
--Mark
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| Subject: | CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas |
I think you should build something else that you will be happy with, because
from reading your posts it appears you will be dissatisfied with whatever
Zenith has to offer. Dan, 701 scratch builder.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flicka750
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:20 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas
Well today I got email from Zenith. Imagine that! ;)
What I was told was that the drawings wouldn't be done until the end of the
year, thus I can assume that my CH-750 plans will not be available until
post new-year. I was also told that nobody knows anything;) Imagine that!
Seems like the wings might be available by the end the year, and maybe the
whole kit?
OK what follows is what I was told today by ZEN 8/26/2008
"The lead time for the wings is 15 weeks and that will place the order for
December and at that time it may be that the complete kit would be ready.
As this is a new aircraft and was just released we do not have everything
available and that is why we cannot answer all questions yet. The drawings
have not been completed and probably will not be ready till end of year. I
am sorry if this is not want you want to hear, but if you have further
questions, let me know."
15 weeks for wings, and maybe the whole?, I would bet a cold PBR that we'll
not see a whole until next summer.
The other day there was someone here saying that he ordered floats for his
701 last year, to delivered in May08, and still hasn't seen them, ...
Well my rudder is done, and I ordered the CH-750 plans over a month ago,
It really surprises me that companys do this, e.g. announce product so far
before availability. I know Van's is doing this with the RV-12 (LSA), where
the wings can only be ordered, and the rest who knows, and it was a long
time ago, I think they took 40 orders at the SUNnFUN, that's how long ago
they have been selling a plane that doesn't exist. ( Well except for
prototype ).
The theory is normal biz, wouldn't do this, but I understand that the CH-701
is back-ordered 3+ months because of tremendous demand from Europe.
Basically they're now charging a fortune to take-off & land at
private/public strips, and thus everyone wants a CH-701 so they can take off
and land in their backyard. Note having acreage in Europe is a big deal, so
these are obviously wealth people in Europe buying all these CH-701 kits.
Zenith is back-ordered either way, so its not like people waiting for
CH-750's is holding up 701 purchases, nobody is going to get their's
tomorrow either way!
All I ever wanted to hear was the truth:>
Time goes quick, a mission without plans and information is not a mission.
***
Scratch building SR-71's since 1946.
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| Subject: | Re: Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. |
This response of yours shows that you are once again a gentlemen. The recipient
of this explanation of yours, does not deserve your precious time nor effort,
that would be better served by scratch building your own airplane.
I would strongly recommend, that you don't waste any more of your time, on this
type of individual.
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka |
from Mark
Jean Paul
Ditto,,, you got that right [Wink]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates |
> List, Please forgive me for going off-topic here, but Dan, what is the substance
brushed on the aluminum in your 2nd (interior) photo of the antenna?
>
> --Mark
Sorry Mark, but I can't remember the name of the product. It does two things:
it acts as a corrosion inhibitor and supposed to stiffen the .016 aluminum to
prevent 'oil-canning'. Although it seems to work well as a corrosion inhibitor,
it doesn't help with the oil canning so much. That's why I added the diagonal
'L' brackets (which work great!).
Another 20/20 hindsight: zinc chromate or Cortec would have worked just as well
as that crap and probably would weigh a lot less.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
Hello Mark and friends,
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A useless- effort...- If you ask me.
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Saludos
Gary Gower
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--- On Wed, 8/27/08, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Guys, I just got a note from Mark Townsend. He is having internet technica
l
difficulties right now. He wants to answer Flicka's concerns but I suspect
it would be a long e-mail and he is unable to do this until his e-mail is b
ack
up and running properly. He is hoping to have these difficulties sorted ou
t in
the next few days. He is able to read our messages but cannot currently re
spond
and asked me to explain this to you all.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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Robert, I believed you asked about the bungee lifespan. THE aviation
Bungee has a 5 year lifespan. One that is in good shape should be
changed every 5 years, any that have frays or other indications of
fatigue should be changed immediately. I have seen guys that have never
changed them in ten years. But if you only have one on the nose wheel,
then you should stay on top of it.
Mil spec bungee shock cord rings
Color Code: Double Marker Single marker
1995, 2000, 2005 - Black 1st QTR - RED
1996, 2001, 2006 - Green 2nd QTR - Blue
1997, 2002, 2007 - Red 3rd QTR - Green
1998, 2003, 2008 - Blue 4th QTR - Yellow
1999, 2004, 2009 - Yellow
repeat
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
www.can-zacaviation.com
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| Subject: | Very long post for Flicka |
Mr Townsend,
Very professional and gracious response to Flicka. I couldn't help but
think as I read it how much time and thought it took...and restraint.
I just sent my money, told them what I wanted, they called when it was
ready, I went and picked it up and built it, now I fly it. What's the
big deal? Go crawl back in your hole Flicka.
Joe
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| Subject: | re: 701 Engine Selection |
Kevin asked why I am replacing the Suzuki 1.6L engine.
1. Weight. I had to add 30 lbs of ballast all the way back to bring in the
CG. That totals to about 60 pounds of lost payload. The Rotamax weighs in
at 145 lb.
2. I bought the Suzuki from a business in Poland. They are no longer in
business. I have been concerned about the reliability of the geared
reduction unit, in that it carries a bare minimum of oil for the job. No
indication of impending failure, though.
3. Laying the engine on its side for mounting on an airplane requires the
oil pan to be modified. I have been aggravated by oil leaks where the oil
pan joins the block. Also, oil temps run high. If I keep the engine I will
have to install an oil cooler--more weight up front.
4. Limited area for radiator placement results in a very aerodynamically
dirty nose cowl.
The Suzuki is basically a good engine and the right person could take it and
work out the kinks in time. I'm just not that person and I may not have
that much time. Of course, I could wind up with more problems than I have
had. That's life. Besides, they were knocking $1000.00 off the price by
ordering at Oskosh.
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