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1. 03:24 AM - Re: 701 Engine Selection (kmccune)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: Firewall Boots (dj45)
3. 05:43 AM - Flicka ()
4. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates (Carlos Sa)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Ken Ryan)
6. 12:46 PM - Re: Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. (Bob Sturgis)
7. 01:23 PM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (flicka750)
8. 01:33 PM - Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (flicka750)
9. 01:38 PM - Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas (flicka750)
10. 01:43 PM - A Question for Mark Townsend (flicka750)
11. 02:03 PM - Re: Re: Answers for Flick from Mark Townsend (Randall J. Hebert)
12. 02:03 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH-750_Plans_-_Dra?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?wings_After_Xmas? (Jean-Paul Roy)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (Al Hays)
14. 02:35 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p?= E : Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After (stepinwolf)
15. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Answers for Flicka from Doug MacDonald (MacDonald Doug)
16. 02:59 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (MacDonald Doug)
17. 03:17 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_R=E9p_E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH-750?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Plans_-_Drawings_After? (Jean-Paul Roy)
18. 03:21 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (Harvey Richards)
19. 03:24 PM - CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side (Keith Ashcraft)
20. 03:40 PM - Re: *****SPAM***** Bungee (Dan)
21. 03:57 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (Dan)
22. 04:16 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (ZodieRocket)
23. 04:17 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (ZodieRocket)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: A Question for Mark Townsend (Art Gibeaut)
25. 04:51 PM - Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side (Art Gibeaut)
26. 05:03 PM - Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side (Ashcraft, Keith - AES)
27. 05:10 PM - Prop Clearance Question (John F. Schaefer, Sr.)
28. 05:24 PM - CanZac floats (Alvin Rose)
29. 05:33 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_Re:_CH-?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?750_Plans_-_Drawings_After_Xmas_OT? (Dan)
30. 05:36 PM - Re: Prop Clearance Question (ZodieRocket)
31. 05:47 PM - For Sale: 701 Plans, Tail Kit, Slat/Flap Kit, 701/750 Rudder (jeffk)
32. 06:33 PM - Re: CanZac floats (ZodieRocket)
33. 08:06 PM - Re: Prop Clearance Question (billmileski)
34. 08:19 PM - RES: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (Francisco Espuny)
35. 11:32 PM - Someone in OK looking for a demo ride in a 701 on Barnstormers (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Engine Selection |
Thanks for the info, the G16 is a little bit heavy for the 701. And the out of
business gear box company is a little scary too!
I liked the Rotomax engine though, keep us posted on the progress and results.
Kevin
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Boots |
Dennis,
I think that I still have the part no. for the boots you are talking about. I will
bring them to the meeting next Wed. nite.
Dan Stanton
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N9801S
99.9% Done and Flying
N9701S-40% done
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Mark,
Thanks for your detailed and restrained answers for the mysterious "Flicka." "Flicka"
will probably never be happy with Zenith, Vans or anyone he (or she) ever
has contact with. Finding fault with others is sometimes done to elevate
our own self image. Hm-m-m-m, maybe that's why I wrote this.
Rich Hartwig
N701ZH (still flying in the basement)
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Antennas install - backing plates |
I believe this was discussed many, many moons ago.
I kept the URL, which still works.
It may or may not be what Dan used...
http://www.soundcoat.com/
Carlos
2008/8/27 txpilot <djg7@comcast.net>
>
>
> > List, Please forgive me for going off-topic here, but Dan, what is the
> substance brushed on the aluminum in your 2nd (interior) photo of the
> antenna?
> >
> > --Mark
>
>
> Sorry Mark, but I can't remember the name of the product. It does two
> things: it acts as a corrosion inhibitor and supposed to stiffen the .016
> aluminum to prevent 'oil-canning'. Although it seems to work well as a
> corrosion inhibitor, it doesn't help with the oil canning so much. That's
> why I added the diagonal 'L' brackets (which work great!).
>
> Another 20/20 hindsight: zinc chromate or Cortec would have worked just as
> well as that crap and probably would weigh a lot less.
>
> Dan
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
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Chris,
Wow! Now I understand what you meant when you
referred to your 110% 701. You are really building
a whole new airplane. Good luck with the project.
It sounds like you have given it a lot of thought and
hats off for getting a signed letter of approval. I can
fully appreciate that Chris would not be eager to be
doing a lot of plan review.
My thought is that the 701 is great as is, but would be
nearly perfect with a gross weight of 1250. So what I'm
really doing is fishing for information regarding the
feasability of upping the gross weight to 1250. Any
thoughts, comments, and suggestions would be welcome
from anyone.
Thanks,
Ken Ryan
Contemplating everything Zenith
On 27 Aug 2008 at 15:18, Chris Lewis wrote:
>
> Ken - Chris Heintz did not specifically put any "requirements" on me. I spent
considerable time reviewing the STOL designs and proposing 2 pages of changes
based upon what I saw in the 801 structure and after talking to several builders
and riding in a few 701's - including the factory demonstrator.
>
> Some changes were obvious - 601 firewall to simplify my Corvair installation,
replacement of .016 to .020 throughout. I needed about 10% more cabin room, so
changes were made there. I added about 10% to the wing and tail dimensions (was
surprised to see the 701 rudder on the 750).
>
> Other changes were related to 801 spar structures, none of which seemed to show
up in the 750. My plan includes streamline struts, the 801 style flaperon mechanism
that did show up in the 750 and the changed seat structure and extra
side windows that also showed up in the 750.
>
> I'm not psychic, but these were obvious improvements from the 701 to the 801
that should have been in anyone's "improved" version. I was pleased to see the
rounded corner extrusion as I have spent considerable time and effort trying
to come up with this look to avoid the outside corners on the 701 and the expensive
.093 inside corners on the 801. Not sure if I'll break down and buy the
new extrusion or stick to my own work-around.
>
> I was pleasantly surprised by the new instrument panel in the 750. This improves
forward visibility dramatically at high AOA.
>
> The downside for anyone else trying this approach is that Chris has stopped doing
design review on major changes and you might have a problem with your DAR
without the signed letter that I have, but I'm not an expert there.
>
> Chris in Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete. |
Mark, =0AThank you. Well stated and right on. =0AFlick, please read, and pu
t into practice.=0A-=0ABob=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Mes
sage ----=0AFrom: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>=0ATo: zenith701801-list
@matronics.com=0ASent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:02:16 PM=0ASubject: Zen
ith701801-List: Very Long Post for Flicka, sorry guys just delete.=0A=0A=0A
I am not sure how long I will have E-Mail, but I will try to at least get o
ne letter off. =0A-=0AHello Flick, as a new person you do not know me and
as such you may find me just another money grubbing person from a company
after your hard earned cash. Others on this list will attest that I have be
en here on this list since the very beginning some 10+ years ago as a build
er such as yourself. I am also the webmaster of www.ch601.org and www.ch701
.com as well as other aircraft sites non Zenair related. =0AI am a heavy su
pporter of Plans building, providing seminars and forums on how to build fr
om plans. I will also be doing a hands on forum at the Zenith open house in
September. =0AI have donated my company's time to Homebuilthelp to produce
a few DVD's on education of building Aircraft and components, receive no r
oyalties for my time on these nor pay for time spent. I enjoyed doing them
and have helped a great many people over the years.=0AI started Can-Zac Avi
ation Ltd 3 years ago to support the Canadian Market and builder. =0A-=0A
Now on to some of your questions, I may not get to all of them due to E-Mai
l issues.=0A-=0AI have noticed that the USAzenair site, makes no explicit
approval of the the JAB3300.=0AYet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly s
ay that the JAB3300 is a suggested engine for the 701.=0A-=0AIT is Can-Za
c, just to clarify. Zenith is a kit Aircraft manufacturer, they do not supp
ort one engine over another nor do they provide support for engines, they d
o make recommendations based on trials and designer=92s imput. They are sim
ply a kit manufacturer. Can-Zac Aviation is a Distributor and as such we of
ten have more opinions and information on helping our customers make some d
ecisions. IN Both cases the companies only make recommendations to the buil
ders and do not force you to install one thing or another. Look at Zenith
=92s picture gallery and you will see all sorts of customized planes, Zenit
h is proud of it=92s customers and there accomplishments, unlike many other
companies that state no changes are allowed to the plane, cosmetic or not.
Even one company that I know of will not allow you to use the planes name
if you install a Corvair engine.=0A-=0AIS the Jabiru A suggested engine f
or the 701, sure it is so is the Rotax and the Continental, we have FWF pac
kages available from companies. Personally I would not install a Jabiru in
the 701, I can think of no better engine for the 601 or 650 but I can only
personally recommend the Rotax 912 for the 701. THE 750 may do well with th
e Jabiru 3300 I will wait until I talk to Peter at Jabiru USAbefore I can c
omment on that one. =0A-=0AIs the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up fro
nt for the slightly higher HP?=0AExact same kit, we only add labour=0A-
=0AI'mseeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it seems to be the best bang for
the buck.=0AFinal costs between the 3300 and the 912ULS plus FWF brings bo
th to about the same costs in Canada. The performance of the 912ULS and lig
hter weight for the 701 airframe make it a better choice in my opinion.=0A
-=0AMore interesting the can-zen site makes it sound like the O-200 is an
option, yet that is 215LB's even for the new TMX O-200 LSA engine.=0AIs th
is a typo? A different engine? A cut&paste from the 601 an nobody reads or
edits the site?=0ANo Typo and yes I read the website several times before I
post it ( yes I still make mistakes) There are many 701=92s out there with
the 0-200 and there owners seem happy with their choice. It is the philoso
phy of the Company that you may be having an issue with, it is not a spoon
fed kit you do have options to suit your needs, if you need to install an 0
-200 to suit your budget, hey I say go for it. Realize performance will not
meet the 912ULS but neither will costs. =0A-=0ALet'saddress the basics;
You say "I don't understand why you have a hard time, getting info from zen
ith". Nobody ever said zenith was known for customer-service. I know from p
ersonal experience from calling and/or emailing that my email never get ret
urned ( info@zenair.com ), and that when I call its always some old gal tha
t is hard of hearing.=0A-=0APlease remember that the Folks at Zenith and
the typical builder are friendly people on the whole. They are not a retire
d military or a hard sales tactic type to push a sale over on you. If it fi
ts and meets your needs then they will help you the best they can. Zenith i
s well known for great customer service, you don=92t need a friend at the f
actory, you just need a civil, friendly mannerism and though sometimes thin
gs may fall through the cracks like E-Mails then simply call and ask for Ro
ger or Caleb on the Tech side and Shirley on the order and money side. As f
or Shirleys hearing, she is a strong woman, that shoots it straight and wil
l not tolerate foolishness or an un-civil manner. IF you go in with a huff
you will get a wall, if you are sweet she will be chocolate.=0A-=0APaying
someone $20k up front cash, that you don't know, is a very risky biz propo
sition, Zen we are led to believe is quite strong, their terms are explicit
50% cash up front for an order. I'm sure if you want to pay more they'll t
ake it.=0AI agree, and constantly marvel at people spending large sums of m
oney on new companies. Zenair has been in business for over 36 years with o
ne of the strongest track records in the business. It is one of the reasons
why most people are attracted it is not just the Chris Heintz designs. It
is the company support, the history and the fact that they are one of the l
argest Aircraft Kit Companies in the World.=0A-=0AI have had the order fo
r the CH-750 plans for a month now, and they're telling me November for the
plans, and the same for the wings. I learned that when the told me the rud
der was the same. Since then I have never ever gotten another question answ
ered.=0A-=0AYou learn from past mistakes, when the 601XL plans were first
released many changes were needed and updates were often done. In the STOL
CH750 the plans are available for the plans builder and someone is working
on plans building the plane now to ensure everything is as right as possib
le.=0A-=0AThe people at QSP people at EAA-Arlington told me that the same
people in the Philippines that were doing vans QB were doing that for Zeni
th, but that Zen had got pushed to the back of the queue, and thus was goin
g elsewhere. That could be what your talking about. I live near Van's, I lo
oked at some of the QB's just for the hell, They have piles to the ceiling
of them at their factory.- I wasn't that impressed with the flush rivetin
g that said, given that zen is pull-rivet its different, I have never seen
a zen QB. My hunch is that SA quality could be worse as these new have even
less experience basically Van's taught the people in Philippines how to bu
ild QB's, but they have so much work, Zenith got pushed out.=0AWrong inform
ation, You would have to talk to one of the Heintz to get a clarification.
I know that the 601 and 650 series QBK were being done in Ontariofor the AM
D version and that is where I got my QBK=92s for the Canadian Market as wel
l as the Northern U.S. Market.=0A-=0ATo me throwing down $10k-$20K cash t
o an unknown company in Mexico, MO is a big gamble. To me its essential to
ask questions. To me the release of the 750 is like the 801, how was that f
or the first adopters??=0AZenith is likely the largest kit company in the w
orld, I would also say that they have more flying planes then Vans. Please
ask your questions in a civil manner to the fellow builders on this list, h
owever you should also do a little more research. If Zenith is an Unknown t
o you then I believe you have not looked at Google yet.=0A-=0AIn the RV w
orld there are 100's build-log websites, where you can email directly to a
builder, and get real info about a company. In the Zenith world, it appears
that MOST builders aren't HTML/HTTP geeks, which means is there are very f
ew websites that contain good technical information, ran by a person who kn
ows their stuff, and thinks like an engineer, because they are an engineer.
=0A-=0APersonal opinion, the RV world is populated by a very high majorit
y of Militaryand Ex-Military, these are people with a regimented lifestyle
and necessary bonus to building a plane in solid rivets. They may have bett
er websites due to lifestyle and availability. Zenith members though they c
ome from all styles and walks in life, they tend to be more relaxed, the 70
1 I believe is in more farms and barns then any other model out there. Many
don=92t even have internet, they are sitting with their buds.=0AHoweverthe
re are a great many websites with uncountless hours spent by builders of Ze
nith products. Though once they are done building they tend to disappear, a
s they spend all the spare time flying.=0A-=0A-=0ALet'stake the last an
swer, "if your not happy move on". Well zenith doesn't answer questions, an
d you did answer a few. Basically you told me that you have paid 100% of AS
K PRICE, and your going to sit like a good pup and wait for Uncle Heintz to
ship your toys when they're good & ready.=0A-=0AFlick, condescending and
ignorant in one sentence, it is easy to understand your lack of responses,
your posts upset me on a first read and it takes a few tries to write a re
sponse that is not as strong. Zenith, as stated before is a kit company, if
the design is not suited to your needs then please don=92t buy it. We do n
ot have sales men, at the shows are the same guys that work the factory flo
ors. It is your decision, no pressure no hassels. I believe from some of yo
ur other posts that you have had a problem in the past , sounds also like y
ou had issue with the Van=92s world. Please keep in mind, different crowds
here. We are not here to fleece every cent out of you, as you inferred in a
nother post about builders centers. Some designs do so and lend themselves
to doing as such. That just isn=92 the fact here. Heck I just bought myself
a new Truck, a 97 Explorer to replace my 76 ford Van. That is not the sign
of someone who fleeces it=92s customers.=0A-=0ALastly, there seems to be
some tangential misunderstanding that asking questions means you think Zen
ith sucks. That'sa theory of weak minds. I think asking questions is essent
ial. Getting answers to those questions shouldn't be so hard.=0A-=0AFlick
, It is not asking questions that is a problem, that is why builders have F
orums and list to help each other out. They are not the company, but typica
lly will support their decisions and other builders while and after the bui
lding process has begun for them. It is your aggressive attitude that leave
s many bewildered and defensive, your first post was offensive to a few rea
ders myself included, as such many would not respond to your questions. The
Uncle Chris line is used in a derogatory manner upsetting many others, as
you have seen a few responses to. -=0A-=0ANo questions needed, the fact
s on the info sheet" that's a recurring theme here, 'no questions needed' j
ust EAT the SLOP in front of you, and be a good camper, otherwise Uncle-Hei
ntz might send you off to purgatory. There are all kinds of people. Too man
y of these happy clubs become a family, and the family's gatekeepers protec
ts the family from outsiders, who just might ask tough questions.=0AI have
a very hard time being civil with this Question. It is not a surprise that
it elicits an angry response. However if an individual is used to spending
life cheating or being cheated then understanding can follow. I don=92t kno
w which Flick has been. =0A-=0AUnless you have placed your butt into the
750 then the info sheet is all you have, plus the recommendations of those
who have sat and flown in the plane of which due to It being a new model ar
e very few. For those who bought site unseen, not is simply =93eating the s
lop=94 it is a decision based on respect and values of the Company, known b
y those who have made a deposit sight unseen.=0A-=0AYou will find that Ze
nith and Chris Heintz is hold of the highest respect in the industry, it is
not just a blind calling it is a respect that has been well earned over a
great many years. Chris Heintz is not only a designer devoted to making the
kit industry and his designs available to the average person. But he has a
lso devoted a lot of time to the average persons learning. In Canadaa lot o
f our Aviation categories and regulations are written verbatim from Chris
=92s recommendations. =0A-=0ARead the websites, try to be a little more c
ivil and less aggressive and everyone here will be happy to answer the ques
tions they are capable of. This list is a great bunch of people and having
them on your side is a bonus. Upsetting everyone with a forceful attitude,
in the end will only hurt yourself and distance you from a great bunch of P
eople.=0A-=0A-=0AMark Townsend=0ACan-Zac Aviation Ltd.=0Apresident@can-
zacaviation.com=0Awww.can-zacaviation.com =0A-=0A-=0A-----Original Mess
age-----=0AFrom: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner
-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flicka750=0ASent: Fri
day, August 22, 2008 12:05 PM=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASubje
ct: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan differ
1@gmail.com>=0A-=0AI have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no expl
icit approval of the the JAB3300.=0A-=0AYet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they ex
plicitly say that the JAB3300 is a suggested engine for the 701.=0A-=0AAn
ybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers are running two di
fferent companys, and certainly Canadians are comfy with the K-ROO engine.
=0A-=0AIt really seems that the USA zen site is steering people towards R
otax for the 701, but JAB in Canada.=0A-=0AIs the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little
stronger up front for the slightly higher HP? I don't really feel that the
JAB3300 is that- powerful, you have to be running at 3300rpm to get 120H
P, the 2900 @ 100HP is more realistic.=0A-=0AMy question is that the USA
vs CAN ZEN sites seem to be talking about two different 701's. Anybody know
the straight story??=0A-=0AI'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it s
eems to be the best bang for the buck.=0A-=0AAt this point I'm assuming t
hat both 701's are the same (us&can), I know Chris Heintz speaks highly of
the JAB from his oshkosh talks, so you know its got his seal-of-approval.
=0A-=0ADo not archive =0A-=0A-=0A-=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A-=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199927#199927=0A-
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of
your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and
more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard
fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required
to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include
electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with
hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included
in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint.
[quote="billmileski"]Flicka,
Dear Beloved BMILKESKI,
I'm a scratch BUILDER. I want to know how they're putting O-200's into a CH-701,
given that its 215LBs for the LSA version. NOBODY wants to answer my question,
and 'Mark Townsend' seems to have fell off the planet, which is odd, as usually
when there is a "2+2=" question he's front and center.
I want to know how they're QB works, because in MY CH-701 plans it says MAX WEIGHT
for engine 180LB's. Are they putting lead in the rear fuselage? Is the usable
weight of their QB product #400LBS?
My humble opinion is that this assertion that they're QB-701 will support 3300
or O-200 is a pre-sale myth. That said maybe they're putting a Zodiac 601 FireWall
Foward?
> >
> >
> > An observation. It seems you are not getting a lot of support here, and I
think it may be because you are expecting all of the details to be completely
worked out for you.
> >
> > Your perspective seems so focused on a "there must be exactly one right answer"
in all these issues, that you may not understand that the homebuilt plane
world (both in heritage and spirit) is not compatible with your approach. The
reason the FAA requires that you do at least 51% of the work, and that a special
airworthiness certificate can be granted, is to support the spirit of individual
experimentation. There is a lot of joy in building your own aircraft,
by integrating the many opinions out there on every topic, and achieving a unique
end result.
> >
> > The LSA "buy and fly" version of these aircraft presents a new paradigm, and
perhaps your struggle here illustrates that there are those out there that want
a kit that practically puts itself together, and forms essentially a duplicate
of the factory-assembled aircraft. Maybe this will be the majority's expectation
as we move forward, I don't know.
> >
> > And regardless of whether you have a 3300, 912S, turbo Subaru, Wankel, turbine,
or hyperdrive in a 701, or whether it's a 750, you will have a lightweight,
pull-riveted, sport aircraft with pretty much the same macro properties as
the next guy with a 701. If you finally get there, you may find that the practicalities
and fun associated with owning and flying kind of make the specifics
you are so obsessed with, a little less important.
> >
> > One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out
there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated,
usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
> >
> > So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right
answer" for yourself.
> >
> > Bill Mileski[
> /quote]
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group. Most of the people
here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-Assist, or diaper-service; I'm
not sure what the others are selling.
I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or two people out
the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and then know who to go direct
to should I ever have a question.
This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-start a kit-plane
biz, and run it into the ground article. All this non-sense about given CASH
up front for a KIT, when most of the companys are going out of business.
I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That said, when the
FAA is done, even they may not survive.
The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor scratch-builders like
myself the the problem is all the rich people paying to have plane built for
them. The problem is all the QB's and builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I
find the this whole hobby very entertaining.
billmileski wrote:
> Flicka
> One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions out
there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually
teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
>
> So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the "right
answer" for yourself.
>
> Bill Mileski
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas |
dan(at)hillsgun.com wrote:
> I think you should build something else that you will be happy with, because
> from reading your posts it appears you will be dissatisfied with whatever
> Zenith has to offer. Dan, 701 scratch builder.
>
> --
I think I understand. If someone asks a question, just tell them that they're a
dissatified human being, and they should just jump off a cliff. Rather than offering
just insipid advice, why not remain silent?
Given that the inference here is that your an expert on 701 satisfaction, perhaps
you can tell us how CANZAC is putting O-200's (215LB'S) INTO 701'S??
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | A Question for Mark Townsend |
STOL CH 701 - Fast Build KIT NEW
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of
your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and
more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard
fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required
to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include
electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with
hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included
in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint.
Above is from the CanZac website.
Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting O-200's into a Ch-701??
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flick from Mark Townsend |
Hey Flick
How old are you 15 or 16
It isn't the fact that you ask questions that bothers me.
It's your overall attitude.
Judging from what I've seen so far and the fact that you are UNWILLING
to reveal your name, I believe you have no real interest in this list or
what it stands for.
I believe your sole purpose here is to cause disruption to an otherwise
valuable asset to all of us who are sincere builders.
Get a life, grow up (I've seen your kind on lists before.) OK Prove to
us that I am wrong.
Randall J Hebert
Tail done Rt Wing Done Lt Wing 90%
N7701P Reserved
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
flicka750
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
<flicka750@gmail.com>
I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group. Most
of the people here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-Assist, or
diaper-service; I'm not sure what the others are selling.
I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or two
people out the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and then know
who to go direct to should I ever have a question.
This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-start a
kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground article. All this non-sense
about given CASH up front for a KIT, when most of the companys are going
out of business.
I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That said,
when the FAA is done, even they may not survive.
The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor
scratch-builders like myself the the problem is all the rich people
paying to have plane built for them. The problem is all the QB's and
builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I find the this whole hobby very
entertaining.
billmileski wrote:
> Flicka
> One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many
opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the discussions,
although heated, usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
>
> So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the
"right answer" for yourself.
>
> Bill Mileski
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age
of 18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation
is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?wings_After_Xmas?
''Given that the inference here is that your an expert on 701 satisfaction,
perhaps you can tell us how CANZAC is putting O-200's (215LB'S) INTO 701'S
??'' end of quote
Flicker, since Mark Townsend is up and running, why don't you ask him ?
-
By the way, I haven't seen any comments from you with regard to Mark's mess
age to you yesterday. Have you forgot?
do not archive
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Jean-Paul Roy
701 builder
--- En date de-: Jeu, 28.8.08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> a =E9crit
-:
De: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<flicka750@gmail.com>
dan(at)hillsgun.com wrote:
> I think you should build something else that you will be happy with,
because
> from reading your posts it appears you will be dissatisfied with whatever
> Zenith has to offer. Dan, 701 scratch builder.
>
> --
I think I understand. If someone asks a question, just tell them that
they're a dissatified human being, and they should just jump off a cliff.
Rather than offering just insipid advice, why not remain silent?
Given that the inference here is that your an expert on 701 satisfaction,
perhaps you can tell us how CANZAC is putting O-200's (215LB'S) INTO
701'S??
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of
18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation
is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1273#201273
=0A=0A=0A D=E9couvrez les photos les plus int=E9ressantes du jour.=0Ah
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
"Flicka",
It would be very much appreciated if you would go to http://
www.matronics.com/subscription/ and have yourself unsubscribed from
this list. Thank you.
Al Hays
N701GH reserved
On Aug 28, 2008, at 4:33 PM, flicka750 wrote:
> <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group.
> Most of the people here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-
> Assist, or diaper-service; I'm not sure what the others are selling.
>
> I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or
> two people out the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and
> then know who to go direct to should I ever have a question.
>
> This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-
> start a kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground article. All this
> non-sense about given CASH up front for a KIT, when most of the
> companys are going out of business.
>
> I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That
> said, when the FAA is done, even they may not survive.
>
> The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor scratch-
> builders like myself the the problem is all the rich people paying
> to have plane built for them. The problem is all the QB's and
> builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I find the this whole hobby
> very entertaining.
>
>
> billmileski wrote:
>> Flicka
>> One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many
>> opinions out there, that are different from mine, and the
>> discussions, although heated, usually teach me stuff about
>> building and flying 701s.
>>
>> So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out
>> the "right answer" for yourself.
>>
>> Bill Mileski
>
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before
> the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure,
> defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's
> From Earth
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1269#201269
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings |
After
Jean Paul,
You are pissing in the wind if you persist with any give and take with this type
of individual. I have learned a long ago that the only way to get rid of someone,
is to completely ignore them. Believe me, sooner or later, they will go
away.
It might take a little while, but when they find out that they can't be confrontational
with anyone they will disappear in to the sunset, never to be seen, and
especially heard from again..
There is nothing more frustrating they trying to pick a fight with someone who
completely ignores you.
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec.
--------
Live each day, as if it was your last
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Doug MacDonald |
Flicka, I was going to flame your ass big time but your just not worth it, GO AWAY!!!
Doug MacDonald (yes my REAL name)
NW Ontario, Canada
REAL CH-701 Scrach Builder
Do Not Archive
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:33 PM
> "flicka750" <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this
> group. Most of the people here seem to be selling DVD's,
> QB's, Build-Assist, or diaper-service; I'm not sure
> what the others are selling.
>
> I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify
> that one or two people out the hundreds in this silly
> 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and then know who to go direct
> to should I ever have a question.
>
> This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing
> a how-to-start a kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground
> article. All this non-sense about given CASH up front for a
> KIT, when most of the companys are going out of business.
>
> I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last
> man standing. That said, when the FAA is done, even they may
> not survive.
>
> The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor
> scratch-builders like myself the the problem is all the rich
> people paying to have plane built for them. The problem is
> all the QB's and builder-assist folks getting $120/hr, I
> find the this whole hobby very entertaining.
>
>
>
>
> billmileski wrote:
> > Flicka
> > One of the reasons I participate here, is because
> there are many opinions out there, that are different from
> mine, and the discussions, although heated, usually teach me
> stuff about building and flying 701s.
> >
> > So you may want to get a little more used to having to
> figure out the "right answer" for yourself.
> >
> > Bill Mileski
>
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated
> prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later
> Years
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated
> pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated
> pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1269#201269
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
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| Subject: | Re: A Question for Mark Townsend |
Uh, with bolts
Do Not Archive
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: A Question for Mark Townsend
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:43 PM
> "flicka750" <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> STOL CH 701 - Fast Build KIT NEW
> The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to
> allow for easy installation of your choice of engine,
> including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and
> more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing
> gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield,
> controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe
> assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include
> electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage
> compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and
> more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the
> Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and
> paint.
>
> Above is from the CanZac website.
>
> Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting
> O-200's into a Ch-701??
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated
> prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later
> Years
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated
> pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated
> pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1275#201275
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?_Plans_-_Drawings_After?
And I don't want to get my pants wet either,lolllllllllll
Jean-Paul
-
--- En date de-: Jeu, 28.8.08, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> a
=E9crit-:
De: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Objet: R=E9p E : Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Jean Paul,
You are pissing in the wind if you persist with any give and take with this
type of individual. I have learned a long ago that the only way to get rid
of
someone, is to completely ignore them. Believe me, sooner or later, they w
ill
go away.
It might take a little while, but when they find out that they can't be
confrontational with anyone they will disappear in to the sunset, never to
be
seen, and especially heard from again..
There is nothing more frustrating they trying to pick a fight with someone
who
completely ignores you.
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec.
--------
Live each day, as if it was your last
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| Subject: | Re: A Question for Mark Townsend |
Thats answer is too technical for Flicka Doug.
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| Subject: | CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side |
All,
Anybody have any hints about scratch building the cabin sides.
A couple of questions are:
7F9-9SP is only 730mm long, but the side is 746mm, which way do I favor the
length, flush at the rear or flush at the front of the side.
7F9-2, does this start at Section A-A and get mounted forward and basically
stops at 7F9-4
(have a good Labor Day weekend everybody!!!!!)
(Colorado Balloon Classic is this weekend, I have been crewing/flying since
1982)
Thanks,
Keith Ashcraft (real name)
CH701-scratch (real plane)
N 38.9940 (real coordinates)
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100' (real altitude)
August 28, 2008 (real date)
(sorry, I REALly couldn't stop myself)
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This is good information. Thank you.
Dan Wilde
N948DW
Do not archive
ZodieRocket wrote:
>
> Robert, I believed you asked about the bungee lifespan. THE aviation
> Bungee has a 5 year lifespan. One that is in good shape should be
> changed every 5 years, any that have frays or other indications of
> fatigue should be changed immediately. I have seen guys that have
> never changed them in ten years. But if you only have one on the nose
> wheel, then you should stay on top of it.
>
>
>
> _Mil spec_ bungee shock cord rings
>
> *Color Code:* **Double Marker** **Single marker**
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 1995, 2000, 2005 - Black 1st QTR - RED
> 1996, 2001, 2006 - Green 2nd QTR - Blue
> 1997, 2002, 2007 - Red 3rd QTR - Green
> 1998, 2003, 2008 - Blue 4th QTR - Yellow
> 1999, 2004, 2009 - Yellow
> repeat
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Townsend
>
> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
>
> www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: A Question for Mark Townsend |
MacDonald Doug wrote:
>
> Uh, with bolts
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>>
>> Above is from the CanZac website.
>>
>> Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting
>> O-200's into a Ch-701??
>>
>> --------
>> flicka750(AT)gmail
>>
>>
Great answer Doug. It really sparked my sense of humor.
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | A Question for Mark Townsend |
Flick, Please don't miss understand, I in no way mind hard intelligent
questions, if not intelligent then at lease reasonable or even civil
will do. You have brought up this same line several times but you still
do not see the value in reading. In no way does the paragraph below
states that I install any engines on a QBK, I build the airframe as
stated by a very simple term called Firewall-back, engine choice is your
choice, not mine.
I place those 3 engines as a choice due to Zenith having an engine mount
available for each of them, weather made by them or other suppliers. The
0-200 is an available choice and there are a few flying in Canada and
the U.S. I make no opinion to a persons choice, but I freely offer mine.
Now if you actually looked around a bit more instead of finding one
paragraph that you miss read ( or didn't read) you would see my link to
the Ready to Fly model for Canadians. Look Close, because on this model
I do install a motor, Guess What it is actually a Rotax 912ULS! Wow, did
I not state in another letter previous to this that the Rotax is my
personal choice and one that I would install. I would not install an
0-200 in a 701, even though I have installed auto conversions in my
personal planes, I have told several clients that I would not install
one in there plane.
I am sure you didn't read my previous post, or your last series of posts
would have been different. I am sorry I must have made it too long, to a
point where you skipped over it or just didn't bother. Too bad I
answered all the questions you had that I was aware of and even offered
friendly advice about using the list.
In addition.
2+21
2+2=640
2+2=party
2+2=flyin
2+2=4
Listers, I do not moderate lists, I believe any intelligent, reasonable
person should be allowed to have there say good or bad. Bad, Is normally
just a misunderstanding that needs to be corrected. However, in this
case with Flicka after reading today's posts following my response, I
believe that maybe members would wish to talk to Matt, I will not it is
up to the list members. I do request that if civility suddenly appears,
everyone deserves another chance to become a contributing member.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
STOL CH 701 - Fast Build KIT NEW
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy
installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300,
Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts,
including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed
Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe
assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric
elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with
hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not
included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages,
and paint.
Above is from the CanZac website.
Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting O-200's into a Ch-701??
--------
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| Subject: | A Question for Mark Townsend |
Duhh, I didn't catch it till now, your right it is funny and the wife is
looking at me funny again as the coffee comes out my nose.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: A Question for Mark Townsend
MacDonald Doug wrote:
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> Uh, with bolts
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>>
>> Above is from the CanZac website.
>>
>> Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting
>> O-200's into a Ch-701??
>>
>> --------
>> flicka750(AT)gmail
>>
>>
Great answer Doug. It really sparked my sense of humor.
Dan Wilde
N948DW
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/27/2008 7:06 PM
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| Subject: | A Question for Mark Townsend |
Me too, I was at work in the middle of a meeting when it popped up on my screen
and burst out laughing! The other guy could not figure out what he said that
was so funny.
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca> wrote:
> From: ZodieRocket <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
> Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: A Question for Mark Townsend
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 6:17 PM
> "ZodieRocket" <zodierocket@hsfx.ca>
>
>
> Duhh, I didn't catch it till now, your right it is
> funny and the wife is
> looking at me funny again as the coffee comes out my nose.
>
> Mark Townsend
> Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
> president@can-zacaviation.com
> www.can-zacaviation.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Dan
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:57 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: A Question for Mark
> Townsend
>
> <dwilde@clearwire.net>
>
> MacDonald Doug wrote:
> Doug
> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Uh, with bolts
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Above is from the CanZac website.
> >>
> >> Perhaps somebody can tell me how Mark is putting
> >> O-200's into a Ch-701??
> >>
> >> --------
> >> flicka750(AT)gmail
> >>
> >>
> Great answer Doug. It really sparked my sense of humor.
>
> Dan Wilde
> N948DW
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 8/27/2008 7:06 PM
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side |
7F-9-9SP is flush at the rear. I can get you a picture if you need it and 7F9-2
does go from Section A-A to 7F9-4 but it is hard to see as mine was part of the
components kit and built at the factory. Let me know if you need the pics.
Art Gibeaut
Erie, IL
CH 701 Components and 912UL
Just joining the cabin floor to the Fuse.
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com> wrote:
> From: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:23 PM
> All,
> Anybody have any hints about scratch building the cabin
> sides.
> A couple of questions are:
> 7F9-9SP is only 730mm long, but the side is 746mm, which
> way do I favor the length, flush at the rear or flush at the
> front of the side.
> 7F9-2, does this start at Section A-A and get mounted
> forward and basically stops at 7F9-4
>
> (have a good Labor Day weekend everybody!!!!!)
> (Colorado Balloon Classic is this weekend, I have been
> crewing/flying since 1982)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Keith Ashcraft (real name)
> CH701-scratch (real plane)
> N 38.9940 (real coordinates)
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100' (real altitude)
>
> August 28, 2008 (real date)
>
> (sorry, I REALly couldn't stop myself)
>
>
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| Subject: | CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side |
Thanks Art,
That is kind-of what I was thinking. Just wanted to make sure!!
Have a good weekend.
Thanks,
Keith
*************************************************************************
************
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Art
Gibeaut
Sent: Thu 8/28/2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
<aagibeaut@yahoo.com>
7F-9-9SP is flush at the rear. I can get you a picture if you need it
and 7F9-2 does go from Section A-A to 7F9-4 but it is hard to see as
mine was part of the components kit and built at the factory. Let me
know if you need the pics.
Art Gibeaut
Erie, IL
CH 701 Components and 912UL
Just joining the cabin floor to the Fuse.
--- On Thu, 8/28/08, Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com> wrote:
> From: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:23 PM
> All,
> Anybody have any hints about scratch building the cabin
> sides.
> A couple of questions are:
> 7F9-9SP is only 730mm long, but the side is 746mm, which
> way do I favor the length, flush at the rear or flush at the
> front of the side.
> 7F9-2, does this start at Section A-A and get mounted
> forward and basically stops at 7F9-4
>
> (have a good Labor Day weekend everybody!!!!!)
> (Colorado Balloon Classic is this weekend, I have been
> crewing/flying since 1982)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Keith Ashcraft (real name)
> CH701-scratch (real plane)
> N 38.9940 (real coordinates)
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100' (real altitude)
>
> August 28, 2008 (real date)
>
> (sorry, I REALly couldn't stop myself)
>
>
> ________________________________
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be
> proprietary and are intended solely for the use of the
> individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have
> received this e-mail in error please notify the sender.
> Please note that any views or opinions presented in this
> e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily
> represent those of ITT Corporation. The recipient should
> check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of
> viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by
> any virus transmitted by this e-mail.
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| Subject: | Prop Clearance Question |
Good afternoon, Listers,
I am trying to/plan to/hoped to fit a 1 Litre Suzuki (turbo) engine
to my 701. It is not looking good. My current best compromise has the
valve/cam cover 3" above a "normal" cowl line, and leaves me a 7" prop
clearance with the oil pan about 1" below a "normal" cowl line. I did
not do enough homework before I bought an SPG-2 (Airtrikes) PSRU
(geared).
I am not looking for comments re intelligence and such. I do
solicit opinion about 7" (at most) of prop clearance. Will I be sorry?
John F. Schaefer, Sr. N701NM (airframe done)
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Hi Gordon
I have had a number of private emails from listers who want to
purchase floats for their Zenairs ...According to Mark Townsend
my floats have been on their jig for more then a month now..Long before
Oshkosh...
He was not replying to my emails..I have been waiting for a long time
and will not give up easily as I need the floats..CanZac is doing a
great injustice
to Zenith aircraft and I think they know it ..
I am going to the Management at Zenith Aircraft to look for answers or
alternatives
if I don't get some satisfaction soon..
Six months is a long time when I was given the completed date of May
15th for my
amphibs..If a company can not produce the product in a timely manner
then
there should be other companys licensed to build these floats.in the US
or Canada
I understood that the floats were designed by Chris Heintz and It was
just a matter of
building them to his specs.
The czech aircraft works are again producing floats.They have a new
design which
cruises faster then the former floats..Their delivery time is 2 months
from Europe to
North America..They are represented by Skyshop in Florida...There is
also a private
guy who builds them in Czech republic but he does not build amphibs.
Also Western Aviation In B.C Canada..but the freight is much more
expensive to here.
I am depending on Mark Townsend for my floats and I am sure he will come
through
in a timely manner ..we will see..I will keep the list informed.. I
guess Mark will let me know how
long more for my floats now that his email is back working..
I have had excellent dealings with Zenith Aircraft..When I ordered the
kit and payed the full
amount up front..the kit was ready for shipment in 12 days..They were
very helpful
during the building process..Shirley Swerston and all of the staff were
more then helpful
with anything I wanted to know..I have 117 hours on it now and it flies
very well..
The 100 hp Rotax 912 is quiet and runs smoothly
Alvin Rose
CH-701
C-IHLI
Marystown, Nfld
ajroseca@nf.sympatico.ca
709-891-1883
Alvin,
I'm also shopping for floats, but I'm look at next season. Skyshop
seems to be able to get the CZAW floats and I think they are readily
available. I asked CanZac for info and pricing, but didn't get any
useful information other than they are scheduled well into next winter.
Are there other options for Zenair amphib floats ?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alvin Rose
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801bw is a float plane
Hello Bill
Congratulations on getting your Zenair on floats..If your aircraft
is porpuseing on full lotus floats usually they are mounted too far
back on
the tubes and needs to be moved forward for better balance..check
the c of g point on the floats and move them forward..I am going to
install Zenair amphib floats on my 701 too..I have had them on order
since february 7th
of this year and have not received them yet..They were promised for
May 15th..Then after Oshkosh was over and now within two weeks of
August 6th..Needless to say I am not very pleased as My Summer flying
will be over before I get them ...but I am looking forward to
receiving them
after this extensive wait time..
Was there a reason why you chose Full Lotus for your aircraft
instead of the Zenair Floats....Has anyone on the list installed the
Zenair floats on their
701..Were they supplied in a timely manner..How do they perform
are you pleased with them..They were designed by Chris Heinz so I am
sure
they should be good...CZAW has started manufacturing floats again.too
Will let the list know how my float situation works out
Also I am writing an article for KITPLANE magazine called BUILDING THE
CH-701....
ONE BUILDERS EXPERIENCE...Should be interesting
Alvin Rose
Zenair CH-701
Marystown, Nfld
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| Subject: | Re: -1?Q?RE:_Zenith701801-List:_R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_Re:_CH-?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?750_Plans_-_Drawings_After_Xmas_OT?
No Flipper, I don=92t think you do understand. I and everyone else on
this
list watched your postings from the first one, You were greeted with
open
arms to become a part of this community and share in the collective
knowledge of builders who are flying and have been through all of the
steps
necessary to have a safe and fun airplane, as well as the relatively new
builders who are still trying to find there way (such as myself).
Instead of
embracing the group and gaining the knowledge that they are gracious
enough
to provide you have done nothing except try and alienate everyone with
your
confrontational attitude, which you continue to display with your
response
to me. You say :I think I understand. If someone asks a question, just
tell
them that
they're a dissatified human being, and they should just jump off a
cliff.
Rather than offering just insipid advice, why not remain silent?
I have never had a question not be answered, I did not say that you were
a
dissatisfied human being, and I did not say in any way shape or form
that
you should jump off a cliff. I made a personal observation which I still
believe to be true that no matter what you are told you will not be
happy
with a Zenith design and that if you are serious about building you will
be
happier with another design. This observation was offered because
sometimes
we as individuals cannot see that our emotions get in the way of reason
when
we are not getting the answers we seek and was not intended to offend
you.
Now I will no longer offer insipid advice and will remain silent.
Oh and by the way, since you have seen fit to extend your
personal attack towards me I will now make a personal observation. I do
not
believe you will be happy with any Zenith design, I do not believe you
will
be happy with any design, I believe you are a troll, and I think you
should
just jump off a cliff so you will then remain silent. Dan
do not archive
_____
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Jean-Paul
Roy
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: R=E9p. : Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Plans
-
Drawings After Xmas
''Given that the inference here is that your an expert on 701
satisfaction,
perhaps you can tell us how CANZAC is putting O-200's (215LB'S) INTO
701'S??'' end of quote
Flicker, since Mark Townsend is up and running, why don't you ask him ?
By the way, I haven't seen any comments from you with regard to Mark's
message to you yesterday. Have you forgot?
do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
701 builder
--- En date de : Jeu, 28.8.08, flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com> a =E9crit
:
De: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Plans - Drawings After Xmas
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<flicka750@gmail.com>
dan(at)hillsgun.com wrote:
> I think you should build something else that you will be happy with,
because
> from reading your posts it appears you will be dissatisfied with
whatever
> Zenith has to offer. Dan, 701 scratch builder.
>
> --
I think I understand. If someone asks a question, just tell them that
they're a dissatified human being, and they should just jump off a
cliff.
Rather than offering just insipid advice, why not remain silent?
Given that the inference here is that your an expert on 701
satisfaction,
perhaps you can tell us how CANZAC is putting O-200's (215LB'S) INTO
701'S??
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age
of
18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation
is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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<http://cf.promos.yahoo.com/courriel/visiteguidee2/> Yahoo! Courriel
http://www.avg.com
8/26/2008
7:29 AM
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| Subject: | Prop Clearance Question |
John, I have flown behind the Geo conversion in a 701 and was impressed,
It does not match the Rotax but I believe it to be a reasonable choice.
You will be faced with a few decisions in your installation, and though
I would prefer to see more prop clearance, especially for grass strips I
would not go any less clearance then your 7". Have a look at
http://www.nessaaircraft.net <http://www.nessaaircraft.net/> This is
Jamie's building site and a host of information on Geo conversions. I
believe his conversion to be the master of conversions on the Geo
platform. He does not sell anything or provide parts but he is pretty
free on his designs and conversion information.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
F. Schaefer, Sr.
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Prop Clearance Question
Good afternoon, Listers,
I am trying to/plan to/hoped to fit a 1 Litre Suzuki (turbo) engine
to my 701. It is not looking good. My current best compromise has the
valve/cam cover 3" above a "normal" cowl line, and leaves me a 7" prop
clearance with the oil pan about 1" below a "normal" cowl line. I did
not do enough homework before I bought an SPG-2 (Airtrikes) PSRU
(geared).
I am not looking for comments re intelligence and such. I do
solicit opinion about 7" (at most) of prop clearance. Will I be sorry?
John F. Schaefer, Sr. N701NM (airframe done)
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/28/2008 6:58 PM
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| Subject: | For Sale: 701 Plans, Tail Kit, Slat/Flap Kit, 701/750 |
Rudder
I have a new and up to date set of plans with a unique serial number, which after
filling out the transfer form, entitles you to support from Zenith. I'm including
about a third of the aircraft manual colour printed and bound as well.
I have a carefully completed rudder that will go on a 701 or a 750. My father and
I built it at a Can Zac rudder workshop.
I have a new, in the box, not started, inventoried upon pickup, 701 horizontal
stabilizer and elevator kit with trim servo. Purchased from Quality Sport Planes
in Northern California.
I also have a 701 slat/flap kit that has been inventoried and my father spent a
few hours on the flap hinges. It's as close to being untouched as can be and
the few bits he's made are nicely done.
The rudder and slat / flap kit are in Ottawa, ONT and the tail kit is in Los Angeles
(we were going to component build and bring the bits together). The plans
can be shipped wherever. I may be able to deliver the tail kit / meet up depending
where you are in California.
New, the plans are $425, plus shipping. I'm asking $350 and you get about $100
worth of printed pages and binding.
The tail kit is $910 (h stab & elev only) plus $135 crating, plus shipping, plus
tax... Yours for $850.
The new in box electric trim tab servo for the elevator is $290 (+tax and ship).
Yours for $250.
Make me an offer on the completed, zinc-chromated rudder. Happy to discuss pickup
/ shipping options.
My email is jeff jkember dot com
or send me a private message on this forum.
Thanks. -Jeff
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Since this was posted to the list, then I will reply to the list. Alvin
is very right, he has ordered a set of 3 wheel floats last fall, I have
put him on a list and he is at the top of the list, I have not taken a
deposit from him due to the fact that I had not made a set with the new
hook up to the present day landing gear. Alvin has on several occasions
offered to send a deposit of which I have refused, stating that I cannot
guarantee delivery date.
The design of Chris's 3 wheeled floats is not an issue in the building
of them, I have all the dimensions and parts for the float portion and
the wheel portion using hydraulics I designed for the 4 wheel floats.
The delay is in the re-design of the mechanical structure to accommodate
the new style landing gear that will be used to connect the float, The
old landing gear connected to the float on the top walkway and left the
701 in a low sitting position. Not bad when we were flying the 701 on
Rotax 582's, too low for the 912 ULS versions. The 3 wheel setup I am
working on will utilize the present day landing gear allowing it to hook
into the side of the float and the front to be very similar to the old
setup with a little more strength, all hardware utilizing North American
hardware. Since my return from Oshkosh, the 3 wheel setup has been my
sole priority, I have had to endure several setbacks, many of which
comes from having to rely upon outside sources to do prototype work in
the wielding. I have had a set of 3 wheel floats completed and when I
installed them on my 701 I was not happy with the loads and design of
the attachments and have had another set being made.
In phone conversations with Alvin I have explained the hook up issue and
the fact that a new design is being made for the installation of the 3
wheel floats. I cannot guarantee a delivery time until I am happy with
the final product. Like everything else this takes time. It has taken
far longer then I would prefer and even have a desire for. I have
informed Alvin that if he needs to go elsewhere to get his 3 wheel
floats I would fully understand, I have also tried to explain my new
style attachments, somehow I am not sure Alvin understands that this is
time consuming.
I am not trying to upset Alvin, I truly wished the work on the 3-wheel
setup was finished and I could get to work on building the floats for
stock and so I can enjoy them myself. My estimate on delivery was way
off and I was not even able to start on the connection issue until June,
which is the wrong time of year for design work with all the airshows
that needed to be attended. Compound that with my main helper having had
a heart attack in my shop and is still away. The best I can do is
dedicate all my time to working on the floats as I have been doing and
not taking any orders until I have stock, as I have been doing. This may
upset a few individuals but I cannot take deposits for something I
cannot guarantee a delivery time on so far I have made a list and I call
the next person on the list as a completed set of floats come due. Alvin
is the first person on the list for the 3-wheel setup. I have made other
straight sets while parts were at the wielder, then sent to a new
wielder.
My mistake was in time estimate, last fall I believed that I would be
working on the installation design of the 3-wheel floats in January. Not
in May and June. I will try not to make that mistake again. Luckily the
same 3 wheel setup I will be using on the 701 will transfer over to the
750 readily. Yes I have ordered my kit and will also be getting it in
December.
I will also send a personal letter to Alvin, but needed to express my
answer to the list as Alvin has done.
Mark Townsend
Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.
president@can-zacaviation.com
www.can-zacaviation.com <http://www.can-zacaviation.com/>
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alvin
Rose
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:25 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: CanZac floats
Hi Gordon
I have had a number of private emails from listers who want to
purchase floats for their Zenairs ...According to Mark Townsend
my floats have been on their jig for more then a month now..Long before
Oshkosh...
He was not replying to my emails..I have been waiting for a long time
and will not give up easily as I need the floats..CanZac is doing a
great injustice
to Zenith aircraft and I think they know it ..
I am going to the Management at Zenith Aircraft to look for answers or
alternatives
if I don't get some satisfaction soon..
Six months is a long time when I was given the completed date of May
15th for my
amphibs..If a company can not produce the product in a timely manner
then
there should be other companys licensed to build these floats.in the US
or Canada
I understood that the floats were designed by Chris Heintz and It was
just a matter of
building them to his specs.
The czech aircraft works are again producing floats.They have a new
design which
cruises faster then the former floats..Their delivery time is 2 months
from Europe to
North America..They are represented by Skyshop in Florida...There is
also a private
guy who builds them in Czech republic but he does not build amphibs.
Also Western Aviation In B.C Canada..but the freight is much more
expensive to here.
I am depending on Mark Townsend for my floats and I am sure he will come
through
in a timely manner ..we will see..I will keep the list informed.. I
guess Mark will let me know how
long more for my floats now that his email is back working..
I have had excellent dealings with Zenith Aircraft..When I ordered the
kit and payed the full
amount up front..the kit was ready for shipment in 12 days..They were
very helpful
during the building process..Shirley Swerston and all of the staff were
more then helpful
with anything I wanted to know..I have 117 hours on it now and it flies
very well..
The 100 hp Rotax 912 is quiet and runs smoothly
Alvin Rose
CH-701
C-IHLI
Marystown, Nfld
ajroseca@nf.sympatico.ca
709-891-1883
Alvin,
I'm also shopping for floats, but I'm look at next season. Skyshop
seems to be able to get the CZAW floats and I think they are readily
available. I asked CanZac for info and pricing, but didn't get any
useful information other than they are scheduled well into next winter.
Are there other options for Zenair amphib floats ?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alvin Rose
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801bw is a float plane
Hello Bill
Congratulations on getting your Zenair on floats..If your aircraft
is porpuseing on full lotus floats usually they are mounted too far
back on
the tubes and needs to be moved forward for better balance..check
the c of g point on the floats and move them forward..I am going to
install Zenair amphib floats on my 701 too..I have had them on order
since february 7th
of this year and have not received them yet..They were promised for
May 15th..Then after Oshkosh was over and now within two weeks of
August 6th..Needless to say I am not very pleased as My Summer flying
will be over before I get them ...but I am looking forward to
receiving them
after this extensive wait time..
Was there a reason why you chose Full Lotus for your aircraft
instead of the Zenair Floats....Has anyone on the list installed the
Zenair floats on their
701..Were they supplied in a timely manner..How do they perform
are you pleased with them..They were designed by Chris Heinz so I am
sure
they should be good...CZAW has started manufacturing floats again.too
Will let the list know how my float situation works out
Also I am writing an article for KITPLANE magazine called BUILDING THE
CH-701....
ONE BUILDERS EXPERIENCE...Should be interesting
Alvin Rose
Zenair CH-701
Marystown, Nfld
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
8/28/2008 6:58 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance Question |
John,
Any chance you are referring to clearance with a prop greater than 67" in diameter?
I am using a Woodcomp Klassic 170cm, which should be 67" in diameter (if
their math is correct, I never measured), with good results (912S). It is 3-bladed,
and wouldn't know if it's a great fit for your engine, but wondering if
this is smaller than what you've got now?
Bill Mileski
Ledyard, CT
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| Subject: | Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
I'm trying to understand what kind of progress or any other positive thing
is this guy bringing to this list.
I'd just have started with a " Hey, guys : does anybody know how to...
thanks." , and a lot of important information would simply flow from the
e-mails, as it usually happens here.
And I think that if there's rich people paying for someone else build their
Zeniths, it's great! They could be paying for ready Cessnas and Beechs, but
give their preference to Mr. Heintz safe, strong and versatile planes.
It's not the destruction of a hobby, but another face of the fun.
I've been here just reading for some months, learning, but couldn't shut up
now.
Let's get back to things that really matter.
I'm sorry.
-----Mensagem original-----
De: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de flicka750
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 28 de agosto de 2008 17:33
Para: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Zenith701801-List: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend
I think your only the second opinion I have seen from this group. Most of
the people here seem to be selling DVD's, QB's, Build-Assist, or
diaper-service; I'm not sure what the others are selling.
I completely agree, I'll ask tough question, identify that one or two people
out the hundreds in this silly 'Uncle Heintz' Cult, and then know who to go
direct to should I ever have a question.
This group is very, very funny. I'm think about writing a how-to-start a
kit-plane biz, and run it into the ground article. All this non-sense about
given CASH up front for a KIT, when most of the companys are going out of
business.
I'm sure that VAN's & Zenith will be the last man standing. That said, when
the FAA is done, even they may not survive.
The self-destruction of this hobby is not because of poor scratch-builders
like myself the the problem is all the rich people paying to have plane
built for them. The problem is all the QB's and builder-assist folks getting
$120/hr, I find the this whole hobby very entertaining.
billmileski wrote:
> Flicka
> One of the reasons I participate here, is because there are many opinions
out there, that are different from mine, and the discussions, although
heated, usually teach me stuff about building and flying 701s.
>
> So you may want to get a little more used to having to figure out the
"right answer" for yourself.
>
> Bill Mileski
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of
18" - Out of My Later Years
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life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Someone in OK looking for a demo ride in a 701 on Barnstormers |
Not me - I just saw it in Barnstormers and am passing it along:
701 STOL DEMO RIDE . FEEDBACK WANTED . I am thinking of buying a 701 and
would like to take a ride in one. Looking for someone within a 100 miles of
Ponca City Ok area that would be interested in sharing their experience with
the 701 and a short ride. Thanks. Please call 918-671-0985 . Contact Todd O.
Wilhelm, End User - located Newkirk, OK USA . Telephone: 918-671-0985 . Fax:
580-362-3239
-- Craig
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