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1. 12:33 AM - Re: Prop Clearance Question (jetboy)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side (stepinwolf)
3. 04:12 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Buil?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ding_Cabin_Side? (Jean-Paul Roy)
4. 05:33 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? (Keith Ashcraft)
5. 05:40 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? (Keith Ashcraft)
6. 06:04 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_Side? (Jean-Paul Roy)
7. 06:26 AM - RES: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (Mark Colbeck)
8. 06:48 AM - Last word on "flicka" (Zed Smith)
9. 08:21 AM - Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (flicka750)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (JohnDRead@aol.com)
11. 09:18 AM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (Charles Chappell)
12. 09:34 AM - List usage guidelines, please glance over (billmileski)
13. 09:38 AM - Re: Last word on "flicka" (Curt Thompson)
14. 10:47 AM - Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (Victor Menkal)
15. 11:56 AM - Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (kmccune)
16. 12:31 PM - Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (Mark Sherman)
17. 01:34 PM - Re: Last word on "flicka" (Roy Szarafinski)
18. 01:41 PM - Re: Zenith701 (John Swanson)
19. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Zenith701 (Ralph Sharp)
20. 03:41 PM - Re: Zenith701 (flicka750)
21. 03:51 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (flicka750)
22. 07:05 PM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (Larry)
23. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: STOL landings in a 701 (Les Goldner)
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Clearance Question |
John,
I just changed my prop from 60" to 64" and my clearance went from 11"
to 9". As I use the 701 in the rough I wouldnt like to get any less.
The European design rules (CAP21 BCAR-S) spell out the minimum for a tricycle at
180 mm (7") statically loaded, with the additional requirement that there be
positive clearance if the critical tyre is deflated or that strut is fully compressed
on a normal tyre.
So you are basically OK obviously if you run less you will be changing props more
often I've seen this happen to a Subaru powered 601 just traversing a shallow
ditch head on - wiped out 2 props in 3 months! At the end of the day its probably
better to shorten the blades before something solid does - much cheaper.
Adding an inch or so to the strut or forks might help.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side |
Keith,
I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe
size.. [Rolling Eyes]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?ding_Cabin_Side?
Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st
opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll
Have a good one !
Do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
Hoping he was in his shop building
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<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Keith,
I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us
your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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WELL.....
Jean-Paul, I am REALly looking foward too your visit, and you will see that
my shoe size is REALly an 8-1/2!!!!
You guys have a good weekend!!!!!
Keith (still my real name, even on Fridays)
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st
opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll
Have a good one !
Do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
Hoping he was in his shop building
--- En date de : Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mail
to:robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> a ?crit :
De: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mailto:robert.pelland@cgocable.
ca>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
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<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mailto:robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Keith,
I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us
your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= |
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Hey Jean-Paul,
Are you going to make it over here to the Colorado Springs area this weeken
d for the Balloon Classic?
Approx. 100 Balloons, lifting off at around approx. 7:00am in 2 waves. Not
as big as Albuquerque, NM, but still a "REAL" good time!!
Keith
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st
opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll
Have a good one !
Do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
Hoping he was in his shop building
--- En date de : Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mail
to:robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> a ?crit :
De: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mailto:robert.pelland@cgocable.
ca>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
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<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca><mailto:robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Keith,
I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us
your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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Colorado Springs, CO
80919
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Unfortunatly not Keith, I'm caught with this project 7/7. I have to stay ar
ound if I don't want to be here comes X-Mass,,,,,,,,,,,lolllllllll
Jean-Paul
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Hey Jean-Paul,
Are you going to make it over here to the Colorado Springs area this weeken
d for the Balloon Classic?
Approx. 100 Balloons, lifting off at around approx. 7:00am in 2 waves. Not
as big as Albuquerque, NM, but still a "REAL" good time!!
Keith
do not archive
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st
opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll
Have a good one !
Do not archive
Jean-Paul Roy
Hoping he was in his shop building
--- En date de-: Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> a
=E9crit-:
De: stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side
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<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Keith,
I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us
your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes]
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
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| Subject: | Re: RES: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend |
Guys I don't chime in often but can we please stop responding or acknowledging
Flickoff's posts? He is obviously not building or intending to build and I truly
think we are wasting efforts even explaining anything to him or her. This is
a great forum for answers, sharing of information and opinions. We have heard
Flickoff's opinion now let's move on.
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70% Complete
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| Subject: | Last word on "flicka" |
Mark C.,
Your use of "Flickoff" was ALMOST correct.
Re-boot your 'spell-checker' and re-post!
do not archive
Regards to ALMOST all,
Zed
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| Subject: | Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in |
701
> The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation
of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental
O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear
, standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware
required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit
include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra
Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details).
Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and
paint.
It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not seen
an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701. I have
also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says santa-heintz ).
The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental 215
LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons is
$2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent.
I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only O-200's
I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or alternator,
to keep the weight down.
I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's??
In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered the
question?
--------
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 |
in 701
You are a disrespectful jerk. You are building an Experimental aircraft as
an educational project so start thinking for yourself. and stop badmouthing the
Zenith people.
John Read
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
In a message dated 8/29/2008 9:22:18 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
flicka750@gmail.com writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "flicka750" <flicka750@gmail.com>
> The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy
installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300,
Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing
gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all
hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the
airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage
compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment
list for
details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments
packages, and paint.
It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not
seen an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701.
I
have also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says
santa-heintz ).
The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental
215 LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons
is $2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent.
I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only
O-200's I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or
alternator, to keep the weight down.
I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's??
In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever
answered the question?
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of
18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is
life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 |
in 701
Mr. Flicka750,
Actually Mark answered your question. You just did not like the answer. They
build firewall rearward quick build kits. They don't do what you are asking
them how to do so he can't answer the question the way you want it answered.
Charles Chappell
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
JohnDRead@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered (
O-200 in 701
You are a disrespectful jerk. You are building an Experimental aircraft as
an educational project so start thinking for yourself. and stop badmouthing
the Zenith people.
I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's??
In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever
answered the question?
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of
18" - Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is
life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Last word on "flicka" |
Several years ago there was a forum that I had an interest in and viewed
from time-to-time. A guy showed up on the list and created nothing but
havoc. I mean this guy was REALLY caustic. I ignored him so it was no big
deal to me. At one point, some network savvy user found out how to trace
this guy's email and got his real name and address. There were some on that
forum that were talking about putting a "hit" out on this guy. They were
really pissed.
A few months later, this guy posted an email to explain that he was a high
school student doing a paper for his psychology class. He was writing a
paper about how an outsider could go into a tight knit community and create
lots of drama. He got an "A" on his paper and thanked everyone on the forum
for helping him out. I kind of thought it was funny.
Curt
Redmond, WA, USA
Plans building CH701, working on glued-up wing tanks.
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| Subject: | Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North |
Hi Ken, I missed the post from Chris and his links regarding the
increase gross for the 701. Im really interested in that as
well. Mark T. and Caleb from the factory have advised me that a
number of American and Canadian 701s are registered at 1200 (although
Chris does not recommend flying over gross) and my inspector had no
problems with it but I am interested to see what changes he made to
the spars. As a novice builder dont think Ill be going there but my
curiosity is up.
Would it be possible to get the link again. Chris are you still there?
Most important I see that you have an alaska.net address. Im next
door in Whitehorse and I believe Im the first 701 builder in the
Yukon. This suprised me is as it seems the 701 was purpose designed
for our neck of the woods. Mark T. was astounded to learn that there
was a fourth country in North America called Yukonalaska (one word
pronounced very quickly) when I attended his workshop.
Ive seen some excellent videos on U-Tube with the boys and their 701s
on floats in Alaska. Their commentary cracks me up. I just want
to see how they stuff the moose in the plane when they go hunting.
Would be great to hook up with you folks when Im over raising ....
and my door is always open for fellow builders if you ever get over
this way. When are we having our first ZAC North fly in? How do
you think flickme would fit in up here?
Thanx and good luck with the build!
Regards Cpt Vic
.... just another happy builder having an absolute blast building the
best plane in the world with incredible support from Can-Zac and ZAC.
Victor Menkal
Novice builder
Whitehorse Yukon
Tail redone a couple of times, one wing kinda done and starting on
the next
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| Subject: | Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North |
I also it appears, missed something. When did this take place?
Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North |
Victor.
You can change the gross weight to what ever you want. You will need to
change the load factor in your POH. I have the old kit and have made
most of the changes to the SP, but not all. What I have done is, using
Chris's calculations on the drawings, I will be using an 1100 lbs gross
weight with a load factor of +3.5 and -1.7. Rather than the +4 and -2.
This will give me the same load on the aircraft.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Menkal" <vmenkal@mac.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North
>
> Hi Ken, I missed the post from Chris and his links regarding the
> increase gross for the 701. Im really interested in that as
> well. Mark T. and Caleb from the factory have advised me that a
> number of American and Canadian 701s are registered at 1200 (although
> Chris does not recommend flying over gross) and my inspector had no
> problems with it but I am interested to see what changes he made to
> the spars. As a novice builder dont think Ill be going there but my
> curiosity is up.
>
> Would it be possible to get the link again. Chris are you still there?
>
> Most important I see that you have an alaska.net address. Im next
> door in Whitehorse and I believe Im the first 701 builder in the
> Yukon. This suprised me is as it seems the 701 was purpose designed
> for our neck of the woods. Mark T. was astounded to learn that there
> was a fourth country in North America called Yukonalaska (one word
> pronounced very quickly) when I attended his workshop.
>
> Ive seen some excellent videos on U-Tube with the boys and their 701s
> on floats in Alaska. Their commentary cracks me up. I just want
> to see how they stuff the moose in the plane when they go hunting.
> Would be great to hook up with you folks when Im over raising ....
> and my door is always open for fellow builders if you ever get over
> this way. When are we having our first ZAC North fly in? How do
> you think flickme would fit in up here?
>
> Thanx and good luck with the build!
>
> Regards Cpt Vic
>
> .... just another happy builder having an absolute blast building the
> best plane in the world with incredible support from Can-Zac and ZAC.
>
> Victor Menkal
> Novice builder
> Whitehorse Yukon
> Tail redone a couple of times, one wing kinda done and starting on
> the next
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Last word on "flicka" |
If this is the case this time, he/she and society would be better served if he
took a Dale Carnagie course instead. Maybe not, could be he is a political operative
in training, I here there is big money in that. Civil society always needs
more of those. :(
Roy
701 plans , running corvair, welded fuel tanks
----- Original Message ----
From: Curt Thompson <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:36:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Last word on "flicka"
Several years ago there was a forum that I had an interest in and viewed
from time-to-time. A guy showed up on the list and created nothing but
havoc. I mean this guy was REALLY caustic. I ignored him so it was no big
deal to me. At one point, some network savvy user found out how to trace
this guy's email and got his real name and address. There were some on that
forum that were talking about putting a "hit" out on this guy. They were
really pissed.
A few months later, this guy posted an email to explain that he was a high
school student doing a paper for his psychology class. He was writing a
paper about how an outsider could go into a tight knit community and create
lots of drama. He got an "A" on his paper and thanked everyone on the forum
for helping him out. I kind of thought it was funny.
Curt
Redmond, WA, USA
Plans building CH701, working on glued-up wing tanks.
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I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the necessary
forms
but need help in filling them out.
Will someone who has already gone thru this process or knows how to fill out
the forms contact me, perhaps Emailing copys of the forms they successfully
filled out.
Thanks
John Swanson
CH701 N69701 912uls do not archieve
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John, you can purchase a "registration kit" through the EAA shopping website
that includes detailed information as well as the forms you need. Plus it
contains a number of other "goodies," e.g., an ID plate, placarding, etc.
Ralph
Do Not Archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Swanson" <jswanson@jamadots.com>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701
> <jswanson@jamadots.com>
>
> I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the
> necessary forms
> but need help in filling them out...
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www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88.pdf -
If you google 'faa 8050-88' you'll get the above link, which is a pdf doc that
shows how to fill out all the forms. This costs you nothing.
jswanson(at)jamadots.com wrote:
> I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the necessary
> forms
> but need help in filling them out.
> Will someone who has already gone thru this process or knows how to fill out
> the forms contact me, perhaps Emailing copys of the forms they successfully
> filled out.
>
> Thanks
> John Swanson
> CH701 N69701 912uls do not archieve
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
I think this is what I'm looking for is documentation on putting a xl-601 fwf on
a 701, for the O-200. Is this 110% 701 documented anywhere for change control??
Given that Heintz doesn't do this 'consulting' anymore, but has done this
for this case, there must be autocad docs or pdf's somewhere floating around???
It's obvious that its being done.
I hear you, post xmas when I get my '750 plans' then I'll know more, right now
all I have is my 701 plans. I really want to do a O-200, with a starter, and the
lightest engine I have seen is 215LB's.
I suspect that the 750 is a whole new plane. Currently as has been shown we know
nothing. Just have to wait for the plans.
In the meantime I would like to find the plans for the 110% conversion, e.g. putting
the xl-601 firewall on a 701.
Chris Lewis wrote:
> I'll jump into this since I've been dealing with this debate for some time -
as a Chris H. - approved builder of a 110% 701 that's designed to 1320# and for
Corvair power.
>
> I've also ordered the 750 plans to compare to my approved mark-ups. I'm slowly
scratch building and may switch over to the "real" 750 or I may stay with my
hybrid and adopt some of the features of the 750 which has many, many improvements
over the 701.
>
> I started down my path because at 6'-4" and 240 pounds, I had to take the cushions
out of the factory demonstrator to go for a ride with Roger. It was COZY
to say the least and Roger's not a big guy. Also - having my knees in the panel
was not fun or safe.
>
> The 750 is perfect for guys like me. Like Tommy, I'm enjoying the process, the
skills I'm picking up and the people I've met along the way (and I have a long
way to go - but am in no hurry). The 701 just wouldn't have worked for me and
I'd have been left out of this hobby.
>
> I believe that Zenith got enough comments and efforts from guys like me to make
a go of this and when I spoke with Sebastian about this at the open house,
he says that Zenith sees a market for both planes for all of the reasons stated
above and previously.
>
> In a hurry? Buy a built plane or stalled-progress kit. Got some time? It only
keeps getting better. If you've seen the 750 in person, you'll know what I mean.
It is really the pinnacle of this series and well worth waiting for for guys
like me.
>
> Something for everyone.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Chris in Seattle
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EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
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| Subject: | Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 |
in 701
Flicka, I haven't been following all this goings on until the last week
or two, you seemed to gotten sideways with some of the folks for what
ever reason. You must have really done or said something bad, I
haven't seen so many people so pissed off in a long time. Around here
and on most forums you have to learn to chose your words very
carefully. It is interesting to watch but it is getting a little old.
Sorry if this sounds like a smart ass, but what kind of name is
"Flicka", are you a horse? Seems like some think you are part of one.
Use your real name, we are all friends.
However, to answer your question. It very doable, just a matter of
offsetting the 0-200 engine with weight in the tail. I knew a guy in
Searcy, Arkansas that put a 0-200 in a 701. I never flew in it, but saw
it fly. Seemed to work fine, had a starter too. It was the old model
701, i.e., 1100lb. If I can think of his name I will let you know.
It's been like 5 years ago. If you have the skill you can put any
engine you want to in a 701, it just a matter of what you want to give
up for it. I don't think you will find any plans or anything else on
how to do. I put a Subaru 2.5 and a Harley in one, neither one worked
for various reasons. The Subaru was too heavy and the Harley vibrated
too much. The main thing I've learned is that the whole nature of a 701
is to keep it a light as possible or you defeat the purpose of it being
what it is. I think the 0-200 is too heavy but like I said it's been
done and probably will be done again, just not by me. Take care, Larry
N1345L
flicka750 wrote:
>
>
>
>> The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation
of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental
O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear
, standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware
required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit
include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra
Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details).
Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and
paint.
>>
>
>
> It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not seen
an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701. I have
also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says santa-heintz ).
>
> The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental 215
LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons is
$2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent.
>
> I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only O-200's
I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or alternator,
to keep the weight down.
>
> I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's??
>
> In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered
the question?
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: STOL landings in a 701 |
Thanks for your advice "flicka750 (It would be nice if you used a real name).
FYI, Christopher Desmond was kind enough to take me on a demo flight and let me
fly his 701 before I purchased a kit... So I guess that "no fly before finished"
policy is not written in stone. I do know there are some FAA restrictions
on using Experimental Light Sports for flight instructions unless the pilot-in-training
owns the plane. I also want to let you know that Christopher was also
kind enough to spend time with me last week explaining how to make STOL landings.
Regards,
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of flicka750
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:43 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: STOL landings in a 701
>
> --> <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> This is one of the most interesting questions posted this
> month, and the poor bloke didn't even get an answer, he was
> just told to go learn who Chris Desmond learned from ...
>
> Well I asked Chris the same question when he was at EAA
> Arlington last month. I asked it another way, I told him I
> wanted to learn how to fly a 701/750 before I finished mine.
>
> He told me it was policy of QSP that people not be trained
> until their plane was done, now I didn't say anything, but
> that sounded like malarkey I mean, why can't a person get
> hours, and learn so they know where the heck they're going. I
> can get use to anything, but some people really need to learn
> to fly these things before they spend 1+ years, and $40k! I
> think its not asking too much to fly a 701 before your fork
> over the time & money!
>
> Ok, Now I'll answer the question from my humble opinion. All
> the flying that you see is done BEHIND THE POWER CURVE.
>
> When you say that you flair at 60mph that tells me your in a
> slow cruise, and not behind-the-power curve.
>
> Behind the power curve means that you have a high attack
> angle, very high, and very near stall speed, which is 28mph (
> or kts ), give yourself a 15% margin say 35mph would be
> slow-flight, very high attack, high RPM, lots of air going
> over the rear stabilizer. BASICALLY YOUR FLYING A HELICOPTER,
> and your sitting back in a couch.
>
> So if it were me, and I wanted to learn to that stuff in the
> 701 STOL plane, I would spend lots of time at a safe altitude
> ( >1500 ft ), and really learn how it handles in slow flight.
> Then you'll be able to do the stuff you see the videos at
> slow speed with those crazy angles of attack ( nose up ).
>
> The slats on the CH750 don't really kick in until you have a
> very high angle of attack, at that point your 'CL' lift
> coefficient is very high, at normal flat cruise, the 'CL' is
> completely different. Heintz didn't invent the slat it has
> been around forever. There is a lot of old literature on
> flying this class of STOL. I saw some awhile back printed by
> the Australian AOPA equivalent, and it was very interesting.
>
> Now back to training, yes it would be nice to go to QSP and
> learn to fly a 701, and have someone like Chris Desmond teach
> you to do what he does, sadly there doesn't seem to be anyone
> doing this, and the folks at QSP are very busy. They seem to
> be wanting to sell QB's, and I'm sure if you bought a QB from
> them, they would sell you the 5+ hours of 701 training with a CFI.
>
> Now could folks here provide a list of trainers for the 701?
> Probably only 1 or 2 in the USA.
>
> The problem is insurance, as soon as you have a plane
> classified as a trainer, the insurance is 10X, ok instead of
> $500/yr hull-only, your talking $5k or MORE.
>
> So there are no trainers, or very few probably one in
> Mexico-MO, and one at QSP and where else? There are probably
> a lot of CFI's for the 701, but nobody in their right mind
> wants to pay the dual instruction insurance.
>
>
> It's not just ZEN that has this problem, VANS has it also,
> there are only a few RV-9's & 7's as tail-draggers in the
> country that have instructional insurance. Thus the 1/2 dozen
> vans approved instructors have to meet all over the country
> with students and use Van's planes for instruction. I think
> Vans charges $40/hr for the plane, and the CFI's charge
> $120/hr. Not a bad racket. I don't know the numbers for ZEN,
> because I couldn't get an answer. No surprise there.
>
>
> [quote="lgold(at)quantum-associat"]Some of the videos on
> U-tube seem to show the 701 literally jumping into the sky
> and landing in a few plane lengths. I have almost 100 hours
> in my new 701 and its time to learn how to improve my STOL
> flying skills.
> My 701 has a Rotax 100-HP engine with 3-blade Warpdrive
> prop. My CG is near the back end of the range due to a BRS
> behind the engine compartment. I normally flair at about
> 60-MPH a few feet up and use about 400 of runway. My 701
> has Quality Sport Planes 4-position flap control and I
> usually land with 10 or 15-degrees of flap. (The device can
> provide up to 20-degrees of flap and is really easy to use).
> If you have practiced very short landings, please let me
> know what technique works best. I would also like to know if
> any of you use flaps for take off and what if any benefit
> this provides.
> Thanks for the advice,Regards,
> Les
> N67MG
> Petaluma Ca.
>
> > [b]
>
>
> --------
> flicka750(AT)gmail
> EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices
> before the age of 18"
> TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure,
> defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" -
> Letter's From Earth
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
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