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1. 12:51 AM - Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims (Graeme)
2. 08:50 AM - Tube or not to tube (Mark S.)
3. 11:21 AM - Re: Tube or not to tube (frank goodnight)
4. 12:46 PM - Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (ttweedy)
5. 01:11 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (MacDonald Doug)
6. 01:33 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (ronlee)
7. 02:13 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (Tommy Walker)
8. 02:50 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (sonar1@cox.net)
9. 03:13 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (Craig Payne)
10. 05:10 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (Gary Gower)
11. 05:14 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (Gary Gower)
12. 05:52 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (n801bh@netzero.com)
13. 06:05 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (Tommy Walker)
14. 06:19 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (n801bh@netzero.com)
15. 06:41 PM - Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? (MacDonald Doug)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Mounting Matco Tubless Tires to rims |
Tubless tyres have the advantage if you have low pressure and heavy
breaking you don't get valves being torn out of the tube resulting in a
flat tyre.
But as larry said if you land hard enough to bend the rim the tyre will
go flat with tube less. But this would be the least of your problems as
your plane would probably be wrecked any way.
I bent my aircraft including straightening out the under carridge and am
still using the same wheels axles tires etc.
I have had two valves rip out before I changed to tubeless.
The second went flat and was undetected till I landed with the swerve to
the left and the wing coming to rest 8" from a barbed wire fence.
Graemecns
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| Subject: | Tube or not to tube |
I spun the valve stem off a tube when landing on rough ground and braking hard.
I only run about 4psi if I know I will be landing on rough ground.
I fixed the problem by using screws through the rim and into the tire bead, like
the old race cars did. With that low of pressure I still have problems with
the tubes moving around in the tire (valve stem getting crooked). I guess that
is why Alaska Bush Tires don't use tubes or valve stems in the wheels.
Leaving tomorrow for a week in the Idaho back country.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Tube or not to tube |
HI All,
Mounting a tubles tire on a Matco split rim with a O ring is really a quick and
simple task. The only (trick) is
to realize how strong and tough the O ring is and how much force is necessary to
stretch it over the rim.
First , Bolt the rims togather, Wet the rim and the O ring with soapy water ,
stretch the O ring over the OUTSIDE
of the rim and onto the flat area. (I use my hands rather than a tool, less
chance of damage to the O ring )This takes considerable force-- you may think
the O ring will break-- but it won't--,
then insert the rim into the tire in the usual maner, After geting the rim into
the tire gently compress the tire.
Then useing your finger roll the O ring off the flat area and onto the ramp, it
will slide down the ramp and snap into possition.
After bolting the rim halves togather the whole job takes less than1 min.
Frank Goodnight
Firestar 2 HKS engine
Just about finished building a 701 Hope to have it flying by the end of Sept.
Looking forward to meeting some of you guys.
Fayetteville, Ark
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I spun the valve stem off a tube when landing on rough ground and braking hard.
I only run about 4psi if I know I will be landing on rough ground.
I fixed the problem by using screws through the rim and into the tire bead, like
the old race cars did. With that low of pressure I still have problems with the
tubes moving around in the tire (valve stem getting crooked). I guess that is
why Alaska Bush Tires don't use tubes or valve stems in the wheels.
Leaving tomorrow for a week in the Idaho back country.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
Sent from Mark's iPad
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| Subject: | Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Hi,
I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions on whether
or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for which the 701 is
designed.The plane is a 1100# MTOW model.
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
I have the 80 hp 912/ 3 blade warp on my 701 and it is adaquate on wheels.
- I'm surrounded by water and plan on building a set of amphibs in a year
or two and will have to upgrade the powerplant before I try flying two-up
with floats.- Lets face it, there is no such thing as enough power on a f
loat plane.- =0A=0A=0AWhat would I gain with the 100hp?- Probably a cou
ple of MPH in cruise and might get off the ground a little faster when heav
y.- I would not rule out a 701 just because it only had the 80hp.- The
80hp is actually a better engine than the 100hp, not as hard on the airfram
e.- Yes, it has less power but is thus a bit smoother.=0A=0AI guess it re
ally depends on what you are trying to do with the plane.- I think you'll
find both engines give pretty good STOL performance on the 701.=0A=0ADoug
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
One consideration is the mandatory use of 91+ octane fuel in the 100 hp if using
auto gas and Rotax wants it fresh and in season. Not many cars today really
need premium fuel so it can be a bit hard to get it fresh in a small town. I live
near a couple of retirement communities where there are a lot of high end
cars that use premium, so it's not a problem for me. Where my plane is hangared,
which is a small town someone bought premium for their Rotax powered gyro and
when they started dumping it in the plane it stunk and was like lumpy. With
the 80 HP you can use regular.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Personally, I think the 100 hp Rotax is almost too much for the 701. That
is, if you can have too much horsepower.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ttweedy <ttweedy1954@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi,
> I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions on
> whether or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for which
> the 701 is designed.The plane is a 1100# MTOW model.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381391#381391
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
I have had the 80 hp for 5 years, and have never wanted or needed anything larger.
Uses regular gas, and it really is a short takeoff plane.
This video on YouTube which has gotten 10,000 hits shows a no-wind 80 hp takeoff
at 1000 foot elevation. I did not rotate until 50 mph. Could have rotated much
sooner (35).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ3XEDrGJQs&list=UUa96-6jPxciXbixBk9eTjew&index=9&feature=plcp
Fred
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| Subject: | Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Also depends on what altitudes you intend to fly at. My home airport is at
about 6ooo ft and is surrounded by 10 to 11 thousand foot peaks.
-- Craig
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Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Is Rotax 80 hp enough?
Personally, I think the 100 hp Rotax is almost too much for the 701. That
is, if you can have too much horsepower.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ttweedy <ttweedy1954@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions on
whether or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for which
the 701 is designed.The plane is a 1100# MTOW model.
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
I fly similar altitudes like Craig does... -And sincerely, -In some ver
y few particular occasions,-I will love to have a 914, -and also a foot
more span in each wing will also help... -:-)=0ABut I think there are to
o much gadgets to go wrong in the 914... -=0A=0AI rather fly, planning ou
t in advance with the 100 hp. -=0AAbout 400 hrs with no problems, only th
e normal mantainance and fun...=0A=0AGary.=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________
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ltitudes you intend to fly at. My home airport is at about 6ooo ft and is s
urrounded by 10 to 11 thousand foot peaks.=0A-=0A-- Craig=0A-=0AFrom:ow
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
The big diference is in climb, and in high landing strips, highr cruise spe
ed is not a goal, -is Not a racing airplane...=0A=0AGary.=0A=0A=0A_______
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otax 80 hp enough?=0A =0A=0AI have the 80 hp 912/ 3 blade warp on my 701 an
d it is adaquate on wheels.- I'm surrounded by water and plan on building
a set of amphibs in a year or two and will have to upgrade the powerplant
before I try flying two-up with floats.- Lets face it, there is no such t
hing as enough power on a float plane.- =0A=0A=0AWhat would I gain with t
he 100hp?- Probably a couple of MPH in cruise and might get off the groun
d a little faster when heavy.- I would not rule out a 701 just because it
only had the 80hp.- The 80hp is actually a better engine than the 100hp,
not as hard on the airframe.- Yes, it has less power but is thus a bit s
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
You can have TOO much horsepower... Don't ask how I know..<GG>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Is Rotax 80 hp enough?
Personally, I think the 100 hp Rotax is almost too much for the 701. T
hat is, if you can have too much horsepower.
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m>
Hi,
I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions o
n whether or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for wh
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Ben, are you still flying that ford powered chariot? That was the ultimate
801...
Beautiful plane too, if a 701/801 can be considered good looking.... Sort o
f like a camel.....
Tommy
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> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Is Rotax 80 hp enough?
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 16:13:17 -0500
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> Personally, I think the 100 hp Rotax is almost too much for the 701. Tha
t is, if you can have too much horsepower.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 2:46 PM, ttweedy <ttweedy1954@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions on w
hether or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for which the
701 is designed.The plane is a 1100# MTOW model.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Yup......
Coming up on 500 hours and it still has not killed me............. yet..
(:>)
do not archive.
Ps.. I LOVE my toy......
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Is Rotax 80 hp enough?
Ben, are you still flying that ford powered chariot? That was the ulti
mate 801...Beautiful plane too, if a 701/801 can be considered good look
ing.... Sort of like a camel.....
TommySent from my iPad
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You can have TOO much horsepower... Don't ask how I know..<GG>
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Is Rotax 80 hp enough?
Personally, I think the 100 hp Rotax is almost too much for the 701. T
hat is, if you can have too much horsepower.
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I'm looking at a used 701 with a Rotax UL 80hp.I welcome opinions o
n whether or not this engine is adequate for the STOL performance for wh
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| Subject: | Re: Is Rotax 80 hp enough? |
Yes Ben but that's just cause you're crazy... but in a good kind of way.=0A
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