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ventura(at)brandeis.edu
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in

The Northeast RV and Canard Fly-in will take place two weeks from 

tomorrow on June 30th (weather permitting) with a rain date of July 

1st.  The location is at Lawrence Municipal Airport (LWM) about 15 miles 

north of Boston, MA.  There will be 12 seminars and workshops covering a 

wide range of topics.  There are two seminars that will be of  

particular interest to those afflicted with advanced Canardism.  The 

first is a seminar by John Slade (Cozy IV) entitled Rotary Engines, Why 

and How.   The second is a seminar by Steve Sorenson  on Building and 

Flying the Defiant.  Following this, Bob LaBonte, who has a Subaru 

powered Defiant,  will join Steve for a discussion and comparison of 

Subaru versus Lycoming power.  It should be very interesting.



There will be lots of food and drink available, and  PICs who fly their 

RV or Canard to the event will eat breakfast and lunch for free.  Check 

out all the seminars and details at the June 30th Fly-in link at our web 

site www.eaa106.org.  I hope to see many of you there.



Joel Ventura

LongEz N729RA

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Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in

Joel........   Hard to believe the two topics are about engines as 

opposed to airframes. If your members/fly in attendees were paying any 

attention at all to Rutan, they would know his opinion of power options. 

There is plenty of websites dedicated to the Rotary and the Subi....  

Neither one of which is suitable for a Long EZ or especially a Defiant. 

Real engines equal Real reliability and performance. The day might come 

where this thinking is not absolute but it's not here yet. "Advanced 

Canardism" should focus on airframes and flying as opposed to "engine 

options" which are very unproven.

Weav



Joel Ventura wrote:

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 The Northeast RV and Canard Fly-in will take place two weeks from 

 tomorrow on June 30th (weather permitting) with a rain date of July 

 1st.  The location is at Lawrence Municipal Airport (LWM) about 15 

 miles north of Boston, MA.  There will be 12 seminars and workshops 

 covering a wide range of topics.  There are two seminars that will be 

 of  particular interest to those afflicted with advanced Canardism.  

 The first is a seminar by John Slade (Cozy IV) entitled Rotary 

 Engines, Why and How.   The second is a seminar by Steve Sorenson  on 

 Building and Flying the Defiant.  Following this, Bob LaBonte, who has 

 a Subaru powered Defiant,  will join Steve for a discussion and 

 comparison of Subaru versus Lycoming power.  It should be very 

 interesting.



 There will be lots of food and drink available, and  PICs who fly 

 their RV or Canard to the event will eat breakfast and lunch for 

 free.  Check out all the seminars and details at the June 30th Fly-in 

 link at our web site www.eaa106.org.  I hope to see many of you there.



 Joel Ventura

 LongEz N729RA

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hdwysong(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 1:53 pm Post subject: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in

The 200/235 is still the best engine choice for Long-EZ 

"purists" (like Burt).  Some think a 320 or 360 is best. 

Others think a Soob or a Mazda or a ROCKET MOTOR (!!) are 

more appropriate.  Experimental aviation == builder's 

choice.  Build what you're willing to test.



Given the price of AvGas and "real" engines these days,  I 

think alternative engines is a VERY appropriate topic of 

conversation for homebuilders.  I've followed the saga of 

John Slade's rotary installation/operation and, if it 

doesn't qualify as "Advanced Canardism", I'm not sure what will.



I'm thankful that these guys are willing to experiment and 

(more important) share their "lessons learned" with those of 

us who are sitting around waiting for the "status quo" to 

advance past... oh... 1985.



D



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		   Joel........   Hard to believe the two topics are about engines as 

 opposed to airframes. If your members/fly in attendees were paying any 

 attention at all to Rutan, they would know his opinion of power options. 

 There is plenty of websites dedicated to the Rotary and the Subi....  

 Neither one of which is suitable for a Long EZ or especially a Defiant. 

 Real engines equal Real reliability and performance. The day might come 

 where this thinking is not absolute but it's not here yet. "Advanced 

 Canardism" should focus on airframes and flying as opposed to "engine 

 options" which are very unproven.

 Weav

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ventura(at)brandeis.edu
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in

Hi Weav.  Only one of the seminars will have its main focus on an 

alternative engine.  Steve's talk is mainly on building and flying the 

Defiant.   Bob thought this would also be an good opportunity to have an 

additional discussion and comparison on Subaru vs Lycoming power, and I 

agreed.  The Defiant is a good subject for this discussion since it has 

both a tractor and a pusher installation.   And how will we know when 

these alternative engines have reached reliability and performance 

acceptable to us if we don't have an opportunity to listen to these guys 

and ask questions periodically to see how things are developing? 



And while these engines are a long way from demonstrating the 

reliability of certified engines, I don't think the situation is as bad 

as you implied.  I have spoken to two VariEze builders, one Cozy 

builder, and two RV builders who use Subaru's and they are all 

relatively happy with their Subaru installations, though some certainly 

had more debugging to do than with certified engines.  



Every year I put out a call for seminar topics for this fly-in.  I will 

be glad to try and obtain speakers for the topics that are of greatest 

interest to attendees. 



--Joel

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Mytyweav(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: 2007 Northeast RV--Canard Fly-in

Joel...   I hate to be that guy that pours saltwater on the 

presentations......  And I mostly identify with Varieze's and Long 

Ez's...   The Defiant sorta provides a little leeway with respect to 

engine failures given you have two of them. You guys are probably on the 

right track. I just have a lot of hours in 0-200 ez's and 0-235/0-320 

Long Ez's and have some personal viewpoints. Honestly, the 0-320 really 

makes one helluva nice airplane out of a Long Ez. The 0-235 was great 

for LONG distances but would really hug the ground for quite a ways when 

loaded. The 0-360 is plenty of power but it doesn't buy much speed, only 

rate of climb.  Whatever and wherever the Subaru can fit in, good luck 

to all. I like the Subaru engines.. Just don't know how they actually 

work out in the aviation vein that you guys are trying to fit them in 

on. I hope you are all successful with your installations and testing. I 

just couldn't afford the time and money to allow for failure. So much 

work to do behind that firewall.........

Thanks Joel,

Weav



Joel Ventura wrote:

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 Hi Weav.  Only one of the seminars will have its main focus on an 

 alternative engine.  Steve's talk is mainly on building and flying the 

 Defiant.   Bob thought this would also be an good opportunity to have 

 an additional discussion and comparison on Subaru vs Lycoming power, 

 and I agreed.  The Defiant is a good subject for this discussion since 

 it has both a tractor and a pusher installation.   And how will we 

 know when these alternative engines have reached reliability and 

 performance acceptable to us if we don't have an opportunity to listen 

 to these guys and ask questions periodically to see how things are 

 developing?

 And while these engines are a long way from demonstrating the 

 reliability of certified engines, I don't think the situation is as 

 bad as you implied.  I have spoken to two VariEze builders, one Cozy 

 builder, and two RV builders who use Subaru's and they are all 

 relatively happy with their Subaru installations, though some 

 certainly had more debugging to do than with certified engines. 

 Every year I put out a call for seminar topics for this fly-in.  I 

 will be glad to try and obtain speakers for the topics that are of 

 greatest interest to attendees.

 --Joel

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