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MarkWDavis
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Doc,
I believe all of the later Scooters had some version of the J52 except for some late models modified for export. Most were P6 or P8. The early Skyhawks had J65 W 20's in them.
Mark Davis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Thanks.
Doc
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Doc,
I believe all of the later Scooters had some version of the J52 except for some late models modified for export. Most were P6 or P8. The early Skyhawks had J65 W 20's in them.
Mark Davis
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Mark & Doc, I believe that the A-4M also had self start capability.
Mark
P.s. I think we may have finally gone too far with the J-52. There are
more than a few cases of the 4 1/2 bearing going out causing
catastrophic failure. Pretty sure that was what caused all four to
eject from an EA-6B near Guam last week.
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MarkWDavis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Yeah they did. But they had an extra 2,000# of avionics and assorted junk
on them and wouldn't outperform an E or F model with a -8 engine so I was
told by a USMC type Mike driver. Part of that weight must've been the
starting system.
Mark Davis
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MarkWDavis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Mark,
Did the engine blow up and just take out hydraulics or did it go
through the "ballistic bulkhead" between engine bays and take out the other
engine? Not training flight crews in A-4's and knowing how to treat a
rough running J52 might start showing up in Prowler accidents before they're
all retired.
Mark Davis
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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I've stood on the flight deck mere feet away from F-4's, F-14's, RA-5's,
etc. burner included. I have to say that the aircraft who's engines
vibrated mye teeth and hurt my nose more than any other was the EA-6B
with two J-52 P408's. They are just UGLY loud. Not a really nice
sound.... Not impressive like burner... Just stinking LOUD. Their
exhaust noise is simply painful.
Mark Bitterlich
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Remember the LCpl that stole one out of El Toro and took it for a joy
ride?
Mark Bitterlich
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MarkWDavis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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I'd forgotten all about it!
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MarkWDavis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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My hearing will never be the same either! The worst was standing beside
the runway for FCLP's when they were taking off. Twice as loud as an A-6.
You could easily tell that your body was made mostly of water because you
could feel it moving inside you. The short tailpipes canted outboard made
it even worse.
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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I can't go into this at this time Mark. Sorry.
Mark Bitterlich
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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I even remember that. Seems this kid was a crew chief that wanted to go to
UPT but was turned down. He stole the jet to convince or to prove to his CO
that he could fly or something like that.
Doc
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mark.bitterlich(at)navy.m
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:44 pm Post subject: Yak n CJ Aircraft anniversaries and Oshkosh... |
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Actually he was an accomplished glider pilot with several world records
to his credit. He worked at the Simulator and had put in for some kind
of an enlisted commissioning program... Which one, I am not sure of.
When he had his medical, they found some inner ear anomalies caused by
his being at some "Oh My God" altitude in the glider with no pressure
suit. This prevented him from being acceptable as an aviator. When he
got the news, he went out that weekend, fired up an A-4 (not sure
exactly which model) and away he went. They indeed launched some armed
F-18's with the intent to shoot his butt down if necessary, but by the
time they got their ducks in a row, he had returned to the base and
landed without event.... And went directly to jail. He really was not
trying to prove anything to anyone... He just wanted to fly jets once in
his life.
Afterwards he wrote up a mea-culpa statement saying what a stupid ass he
was... And they let him go with a BCD and a kick.
Mark Bitterlich
P.s. That little incident also kept anyone except aircrew from flying
ANY military simulator for about a decade.
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