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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:02 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....



I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.



I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

on the apple works super well.



Tim

do not archive

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 1:40 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Does the 3G iPad actually have GPS in it?  I can't find good answers to this.  Does it work about the same as the GPS in the iPhone 3G or 3G-S at altitude?



I have done the ROQY-BT thing on an iPod Touch and it worked great and was super simple.  That was a great tip!



Thanks.



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

 

 I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

 Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

 

 I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

 all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

 to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

 for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

 and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

 performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

 It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

 iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

 that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

 bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

 it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

 on the apple works super well.

 

 Tim

 do not archive

sean(at)hangerg.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

ThNk you soooo much. I bought the iPad wifi and was trying to figure out a way to do a bluetooth GPS.. I am going to give this a try.  



Sean





On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

 

 I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

 Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

 

 I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

 all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

 to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

 for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

 and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

 performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

 It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

 iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

 that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

 bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

 it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

 on the apple works super well.

 

 Tim

 do not archive

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Yes, the 3G ipad has a gps.  It's a bit better than the iPhone 3GS  

one, but still not nearly as quick to lock as most Bluetooth ones  

would be. I just bought roqy to a) verify it would work for others,  

and b) give me a real good reliable alternative.  It's handy because  

you can put the puck on your dash and not care if the pad/pod has a  

good sky view in a car.

Plus, on my 3GS, if you go airplane mode you lose GPS.  Haven't  

verified that on the ipad yet. But, I don't want noisy cell signals in  

the cockpit on ifr flights, and sure don't want accidental data fees  

when out of the US, so Bluetooth gives GPS without cell having a cell  

radio on.

Plus, if you're in the sky and the phone/pad can't get a good signal,  

your battery life is horrible, so this keeps the battery drain down a  

little too.

Tim



On May 11, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>  

wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Does the 3G iPad actually have GPS in it?  I can't find good answers  

 to this.  Does it work about the same as the GPS in the iPhone 3G or  

 3G-S at altitude?



 I have done the ROQY-BT thing on an iPod Touch and it worked great  

 and was super simple.  That was a great tip!



 Thanks.



 Jesse Saint

 Saint Aviation, Inc.

 jesse(at)saintaviation.com

 Cell: 352-427-0285

 Fax: 815-377-3694



 On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson wrote:



> 

>

> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

>

> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

> Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

>

> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

> to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

> for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

> It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

> bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

> on the apple works super well.

>

> Tim

> do not archive

>

>

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday.  So far the GPS appears  

to work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not  

activated the data service.



I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on  

SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome!  The larger screen is incredible.   

The approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....



Let me know if you want some screenshots.



-Mike Kraus



Sent from my iPhone



On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....



 I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

 Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.



 I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

 all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

 to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

 for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

 and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

 performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

 It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

 iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

 that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

 bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

 it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

 on the apple works super well.



 Tim

 do not archive

Ron.McGann(at)ausawd.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:47 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

May have been covered before, but are the ipad displays up to snuff for viewing in cockpit light levels (sunlight)?  I have a Viliv S5 that is awesome, but unusable in direct sunlight.



Cheers

Ron

VH-XRM, flying in Oz



--

robin(at)PaintTheWeb.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 3:49 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

BTW I stumbled across this recently for the iPad. Expensive but...

I am "This Close" to giving up flying and just play with my iPad(s).



http://www.tuaw.com/2010/04/21/pilots-take-your-ipad-flying-with-the-tech-

board-ipro-kneeboard/

Robin

flysrv10(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 4:47 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

keep us updated please when you use skycharts pro.  thanks.

do not archive

On May 11, 2010, at 7:20 PM, Michael Kraus wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday.  So far the GPS appears to work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not activated the data service.

 I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome!  The larger screen is incredible.  The approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....

 Let me know if you want some screenshots.

 -Mike Kraus

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

> 

> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

> Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

> 

> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

> to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

> for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

> It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

> bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

> on the apple works super well.

> 

> Tim

> do not archive

> 

> 

>

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 5:57 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Just noticed that yesterday a new Bluetooth GPS stack for only $5 came  

out on cydia.   It's called BTstack GPS.

Haven't tried it but if it works, it's half the price...and you can  

test it as a demo first.

Tim



On May 11, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Yes, the 3G ipad has a gps.  It's a bit better than the iPhone 3GS  

 one, but still not nearly as quick to lock as most Bluetooth ones  

 would be. I just bought roqy to a) verify it would work for others,  

 and b) give me a real good reliable alternative.  It's handy because  

 you can put the puck on your dash and not care if the pad/pod has a  

 good sky view in a car.

 Plus, on my 3GS, if you go airplane mode you lose GPS.  Haven't  

 verified that on the ipad yet. But, I don't want noisy cell signals  

 in the cockpit on ifr flights, and sure don't want accidental data  

 fees when out of the US, so Bluetooth gives GPS without cell having  

 a cell radio on.

 Plus, if you're in the sky and the phone/pad can't get a good  

 signal, your battery life is horrible, so this keeps the battery  

 drain down a little too.

 Tim



 On May 11, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>  

 wrote:



> 

> <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

>

> Does the 3G iPad actually have GPS in it?  I can't find good  

> answers to this.  Does it work about the same as the GPS in the  

> iPhone 3G or 3G-S at altitude?

>

> I have done the ROQY-BT thing on an iPod Touch and it worked great  

> and was super simple.  That was a great tip!

>

> Thanks.

>

> Jesse Saint

> Saint Aviation, Inc.

> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

> Cell: 352-427-0285

> Fax: 815-377-3694

>

> On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

>

>> 

>>

>> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

>>

>> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

>> Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

>>

>> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

>> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

>> to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

>> for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

>> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

>> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

>> It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

>> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

>> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

>> bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

>> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

>> on the apple works super well.

>>

>> Tim

>> do not archive

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:10 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Thanks.  I've been looking for that type of feedback all over the place and everywhere just talks about A-GPS, but there is no consensus on truly what that means.  Thanks for finding out for the rest of us!

do not archive

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

On May 11, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 Yes, the 3G ipad has a gps.  It's a bit better than the iPhone 3GS one, but still not nearly as quick to lock as most Bluetooth ones would be. I just bought roqy to a) verify it would work for others, and b) give me a real good reliable alternative.  It's handy because you can put the puck on your dash and not care if the pad/pod has a good sky view in a car.

 Plus, on my 3GS, if you go airplane mode you lose GPS.  Haven't verified that on the ipad yet. But, I don't want noisy cell signals in the cockpit on ifr flights, and sure don't want accidental data fees when out of the US, so Bluetooth gives GPS without cell having a cell radio on.

 Plus, if you're in the sky and the phone/pad can't get a good signal, your battery life is horrible, so this keeps the battery drain down a little too.

 Tim

 On May 11, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

> 

> 

> Does the 3G iPad actually have GPS in it?  I can't find good answers to this.  Does it work about the same as the GPS in the iPhone 3G or 3G-S at altitude?

> 

> I have done the ROQY-BT thing on an iPod Touch and it worked great and was super simple.  That was a great tip!

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> Jesse Saint

> Saint Aviation, Inc.

> jesse(at)saintaviation.com

> Cell: 352-427-0285

> Fax: 815-377-3694

> 

> On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson wrote:

> 

>> 

>> 

>> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

>> 

>> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

>> Voyager.  It works well, as do many GPS models.

>> 

>> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

>> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

>> to do.  Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

>> for $8 euros.  It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

>> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

>> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

>> It works perfectly.  So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

>> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

>> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

>> bluetooth GPS's with it.  With Foreflight that means

>> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

>> on the apple works super well.

>> 

>> Tim

>> do not archive

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

Lenny Iszak

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Posts: 270

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: OT: iPad GPS

Jesse,



A-GPS is Assisted GPS, which means the GPS does not have to look for all of the satellites, but it can download the almanac (the current position of the satellites) from a remote server. This way you never have to wait for a "cold start" which could take several minutes.



And that's probably why the iPhone has trouble getting a GPS lock in the air, when there's no 3G signal.

I think the confusion comes from how the old, 2G iPhone, without a GPS chip used to calculate it's approximate position from cell towers.



Here's more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS

Lenny

glastar(at)gmx.net
Guest

Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 11:35 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

Hi Mike,



how does the iPad look when you have direct sunlight shining at it?



Werner



On 12.05.2010 01:20, Michael Kraus wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday. So far the GPS appears to

 work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not activated

 the data service.



 I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on

 SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome! The larger screen is incredible. The

 approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....



 Let me know if you want some screenshots.



 -Mike Kraus



 Sent from my iPhone



 On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:



> 

>

> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

>

> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

> Voyager. It works well, as do many GPS models.

>

> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

> to do. Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

> for $8 euros. It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

> It works perfectly. So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

> bluetooth GPS's with it. With Foreflight that means

> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

> on the apple works super well.

>

> Tim

> do not archive

>

jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 3:52 am Post subject: Re: OT: iPad GPS

We picked up a 3G iPad on the Friday they were released.  We are running Foreflight and have taken it on two short trips.  GPS works at altitude even though we have not activated the cell service yet.  As far as sunlight viewing I can't say that we have not been able to read it yet, but for the most part the RV-10 cockpit is shaded, not like some of the bubble canopies.  Keep in mind the limited use we have had.  I think installing an anti glare cover would make it OK in almost any condition.  I don't think brightness is as much of an issue as glare.



With all of that said, we really like this thing.  Would like to try the Bluetooth GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail breaking.  If this thing doesn't bring this form factor (table, slate, take you pick) mainstream then nothing will.  It is really nice to use when your just sitting around watching TV.

_________________
Jason Kreidler
4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617

jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

At What altitude? We can assume it'll work to 8-10K.

 Has anyone taken to say 15k?

Since a lot of people will fly up there, what is the projected altitude it's not going to work?

Patrick Thyssen.



Just like to know.



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Subject: Re: OT: iPad GPS

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, May 12, 2010, 6:52 AM



--> RV10-List message posted by: "jkreidler" <[url=/mc/compose?to=jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com]jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com[/url]>



We picked up a 3G iPad on the  Friday they were released.  We are running Foreflight and have taken it on two short trips.  GPS works at altitude even though we have not activated the cell service yet.  As far as sunlight viewing I can't say that we have not been able to read it yet, but for the most part the RV-10 cockpit is shaded, not like some of the bubble canopies.  Keep in mind the limited use we have had.  I think installing an anti glare cover would make it OK in almost any condition.  I don't think brightness is as much of an issue as glare.



With all of that said, we really like this thing.  Would like to try the Bluetooth GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail breaking.  If this thing doesn't bring this form factor (table, slate, take you pick) mainstream then nothing will.  It is really nice to use when your just sitting around watching TV.



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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls,  WI

Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler

N44YH - Flying - #40617





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msausen

Joined: 25 Oct 2007
Posts: 559
Location: Appleton, WI USA

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:37 am Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

The last bullet under #1 in that Wikipedia article is really what most cell phones do.  A-GPS does normally use cell towers to give a quick rough fix to help startup via tower triangulation.  GPS units generally "know" where satellites are supposed to be based on the internal clock and their internal data.  What they usually don't know, or have a problem figuring out if you just flew cross country with them off, is where they are starting from.  The quick cell tower fix gives them that rough starting point to begin from.  



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jkreidler

Joined: 13 Feb 2008
Posts: 151
Location: Sheboygan Falls WI

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 4:42 am Post subject: Re: OT: iPad GPS

No higher altitudes yet, might have a PIREP Friday from a planned longer 'higher' flight.

_________________
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4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI
Tony Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler
N44YH - Flying - #40617

n223rv(at)wolflakeairport
Guest

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:05 am Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

From what I can tell, it is as good or better than my 3G iPhone, and  

I personally have never had any issues seeing it on the sun.  I gave a  

Garmin 696 and if we ever see the sun in Michigan again, I will take  

both outside and do a side by side comparison.



That being said, the Garmin screens are more of a mat finish, while  

the Apple screens are a gloss finish.  Glare is really the bigger  

issue as I think someone else may have mentioned.



Sent from my iPhone



On May 12, 2010, at 3:34 AM, Werner Schneider <glastar(at)gmx.net> wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 Hi Mike,



 how does the iPad look when you have direct sunlight shining at it?



 Werner



 On 12.05.2010 01:20, Michael Kraus wrote:

> 

> >

>

> I received my 3G iPad a week ago last Friday. So far the GPS  

> appears to

> work equally as well as my 3G iPhone, even though I have not  

> activated

> the data service.

>

> I have not used it on Foreflight yet, but I have on AirNav Pro and on

> SkyCharts Pro and it works awesome! The larger screen is  

> incredible. The

> approach plates fit nicely on the screen and are easily readable....

>

> Let me know if you want some screenshots.

>

> -Mike Kraus

>

> Sent from my iPhone

>

> On May 11, 2010, at 5:00 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:

>

>> 

>>

>> Just an FYI on iPad and GPS....

>>

>> I use a Holux M1000 bluetooth GPS with my LE1600 and

>> Voyager. It works well, as do many GPS models.

>>

>> I did the Spirit Jailbreak of my iPad 3G, which takes

>> all of 10 seconds to do, and is a braindead simple thing

>> to do. Once jailbroken, I purchased ROQY-BT on Cydia

>> for $8 euros. It's a bluetooth stack I've used on my iphone

>> and ipod touch to connect to the same GPS, which is higher

>> performance than the one built into the 3G apple stuff.

>> It works perfectly. So even if you just have a Wi-Fi

>> iPad, if you're willing to be careful and do the things

>> that you want to do to jailbreak it, you can use external

>> bluetooth GPS's with it. With Foreflight that means

>> it'll locate you on the charts, and the mapping program

>> on the apple works super well.

>>

>> Tim

>> do not archive

>>

>>

>>

>

Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2882

Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:35 am Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

I totally agree with Jason on everything here.  The GPS does

work independently, at altitude.  I haven't activated my

3G service and don't intend to, and in fact turned off

"Cellular Data" in the config.  What I haven't tried is using

GPS in "airplane mode" yet with this.  I know it doesn't work

on the iPhone 3GS, but they use different chipsets for the

GPS...so it may be different.



For readability, I find it really bright and clear, but

find the high-gloss screens *REALLY* poor to use in bright

sunlight if you can't face them away from the sun and

reflections. It's really visible when it is visible, and

NOT visible when it's glaring. But that's not the screen

as much as the glossy surface.  My iPhone was the same, but

I've found that using "Brando Anti-Glare" screen protectors,

are awesome. It actually makes it easier to use, too,

because your finger slides better and you get far less

fingerprints. (Something that the iPad REALLY has a problem

with)  On my iPhone, the Brando protectors made all the

difference in the world and now I can read in sunlight.

I bought one for the iPad but haven't installed it yet.

So for me, I'd say that's a definite "must buy".  Brando

brand is by far the best I have ever seen, and since I've

turned my co-workers on to them, who have tried tons of

other brands, they all dropped theirs and ordered Brando's.

They're $9 for an iphone, and I think $16 or $18 for an ipad.

They're thick and don't wear out except under damaging wear.

In an RV-10, an iPad should work great.  In an RV-7,

you may have to worry about the angle you hold it a bit.

Also, the iPad is polarized, so with my polarized glasses

I find I have to hold it horizontally to see it.  But, I

don't weary polarized glasses in the cockpit, because the

same effects happen with the GNS480, Cheltons, GTX330,

and other screens.



Regarding altitude, I know they publish a spec for altitude,

but I'm really willing to bet that even if it's not as

high as you'd think it should be, it's far better than

any hard-drive based device.  And if the touchscreen is

the limitation, I can tell you that the iPhone has worked

fine up into the 16K range for me. The RV-10 does best

below 15 generally, though so you'll probably not end up

higher very often.  Certainly not flying approaches where

you need your approach plate immediately handy.  But I

would bet it the iPad will work >15K.



Regarding Jailbreaking, definitely, if you're not willing

to be careful, don't bother. You have to be aware enough

that when Apple comes out with new firmware, you don't

simply hit "upgrade".  Doing that will just wipe out

all your good apps.  I have many many apps that I've

bought and paid for through cydia, that you simply can't

get similar apps from Apple. If I couldn't jailbreak

my iphone/ipad, I don't know if I'd even have a drive to

own one, because some of the apps really make life

nice. But, when firmware comes out, I, along with

all jailbreakers, have to wait and read the forums until

we see that it's safe to upgrade firmware.  If you're

careful, you can add a ton of good functionality to your

device.  Of course, Apple says "could void your warranty",

so to each his own.



I agree on the TV time too.  I use it all the time now

in bed or by the TV.  I can VPN to work, use remote

desktop to servers, SSH to routers, and accomplish most

of what I'd need to do in an emergency.  I have a bluetooth

keyboard for it, so it's a good laptop replacement for

lightweight travel. (the keyboard works with my iphone

thanks to a jailbreak app called BTStack Keyboard)

I can stream netflix to it, and I have AirVideo which

allows me to stream all of my movies from my PC onto

it.  It's an amazing device.  Well, really, it's

just another tablet, since the LE1600 could do

most or all of this too, but, the iPad is so much FASTER

at loading apps and popping in and out of apps, that

it just makes information far closer to your fingertips.

The beauty of them is their size and speed....and multi-touch

control.



It should be great in a cockpit for most people, but

you'll definitely want an anti-glare protector,

and if you use GPS a lot, you may want to consider

a bluetooth GPS.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD

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jkreidler wrote:

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 <jason.kreidler(at)regalbeloit.com>

 

 We picked up a 3G iPad on the Friday they were released.  We are

 running Foreflight and have taken it on two short trips.  GPS works

 at altitude even though we have not activated the cell service yet.

 As far as sunlight viewing I can't say that we have not been able to

 read it yet, but for the most part the RV-10 cockpit is shaded, not

 like some of the bubble canopies.  Keep in mind the limited use we

 have had.  I think installing an anti glare cover would make it OK in

 almost any condition.  I don't think brightness is as much of an

 issue as glare.

 

 With all of that said, we really like this thing.  Would like to try

 the Bluetooth GPS but not sure about the ramifications of jail

 breaking.  If this thing doesn't bring this form factor (table,

 slate, take you pick) mainstream then nothing will.  It is really

 nice to use when your just sitting around watching TV.

 

 -------- Jason Kreidler 4 Partner Build - Sheboygan Falls, WI Tony

 Kolar, Kyle Hokel, Wayne Elser, Jason Kreidler N44YH - Flying -

 #40617

 

 

 

 

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moosix
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:14 am Post subject: Re: OT: iPad GPS

Good afternoon! Could you recommend a proxy server for the needs of the enterprise, there is a need to scrape large amount of data. We already have a hardware transparent proxy in the organization - TP-Link TL-R480T + V6 router. Though this hardware has large opportunities, they are still limited. The biggest drawback is that there are no detailed statistics for the users' web-surfing. Therefore, can you advise something like http://fineproxy.de/ ? It is necessary to block anonymous proxy, tor, etc. I am planning to try UserGate. How is the functionality there? Has anyone tried?

jmyers(at)skywidget.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:34 pm Post subject: OT: iPad GPS

I'm guessing you'll get better response if you ask this question in an IT

forum.

I've worked enterprise IT in the financial services area but I'm not a proxy

server guy.  

Am I missing something here?

jeff



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