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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:01 am Post subject: Door pull

Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?



Al

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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: Door pull

Al,

  

 My first thought was to lift lots of heavy weight with one arm in order to lengthen it but when that didn't work I decided to install a flexible handle from a car.  I will still have to lift myself up some to grab it but it should make it a bit easier to pull it down.  Being a bit on the short side I recognized that getting that door down was going to be interesting but the only thing I could ever come up with seemed like it would be more trouble that it was worth.  I remember some old cars used to have a flexible loop type handle on the side posts.  I haven't seen one in years but always thought it would be ideal if installed where it would hang down when the door was open but fold against the door when closed.

  

 Hope to finally get back to work on the plane this year,

  

 Bob Reed

 

   From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:01:05 PM

Subject: Door pull



Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?  



 Al

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kentpyle(at)iland.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:55 pm Post subject: Door pull

Al, I made a 4" loop of webbing and screwed it into  the bottom of the door.  It sticks straight out and is easy to grasp.   As I pull the door shut it sticks inside the airplane so it doesn't flap on the  outside of the plane.  Kent

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:06 pm Post subject: Door pull

7/2/2011

  

 Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of  nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A  knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling  out through the hole.

  

 On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round  wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and  a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep  the bead from coming off.

  

 The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy  reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door  closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling inward  on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into  the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging action  is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed position  by the door pin design.)

  

 Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch  handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some  additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the  open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in  the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.)

  

 For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the  door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door  from moving further open.

  

 An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can  force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue  situation because the nylon cord  will slip and unwind if enough force is  applied to the exterior door latch handle.

  

 I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone  is interested.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to  gather and understand knowledge."

  

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 [quote]   From:    ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)    

   To: kisbuilders (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01    PM

   Subject: Door pull

   



Wondering what builders have done as an aid    for closing an open door while sitting inside?   



   Al

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wschertz(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: Door pull

Al,

 I just reach up to the front of the door and pull it down, however I did  install a small knob on the rear of the door, so that I can reach back and pull  the rear of the door securely shut before engaging the pins with the Lyle Latch.  

  

 Bill  Schertz

KIS Cruiser #4045

N343BS

Phase one testing Completed

    

  From: ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:01 PM

 To: kisbuilders (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Door pull

  



 Wondering  what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?    

 Al

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teds532(at)wk.net
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:30 am Post subject: Door pull

I BUILT MY CLOSING HANDEL INTO THE ARM REST THAT  ALSO HIDES THE DOOR LOCKING SYSTEM.IT IS ON THE BUILDERS WEB SITE

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jerzy_krasinski(at)sbcglo
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Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: Door pull

I did not install anything, and I never had any troubles to reach the door.

 Jerzy



 

   From: Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net>

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 5:29:42 PM

Subject: Re: Door pull



  Al,

  

 My first thought was to lift lots of heavy weight with one arm in order to lengthen it but when that didn't work I decided to install a flexible handle from a car.  I will still have to lift myself up some to grab it but it should make it a bit easier to pull it down.  Being a bit on the short side I recognized that getting that door down was going to be interesting but the only thing I could ever come up with seemed like it would be more trouble that it was worth.  I remember some old cars used to have a flexible loop type handle on the side posts.  I haven't seen one in years but always thought it would be ideal if installed where it would hang down when the door was open but fold against the door when closed.

  

 Hope to finally get back to work on the plane this year,

  

 Bob Reed

 

   From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Sat, July 2, 2011 12:01:05 PM

Subject: Door pull



Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?  



 Al

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: Door pull

4/5/2011

  

 Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull  system.

  

 Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open  (for picture taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball  hanging down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down  and then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes.

  

 Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the  string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the  string out of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not  inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the  string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness and  stickyness.

  

 Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides  a wedging closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a  nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact  with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum  rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement.

  

 This system has worked perfectly for over 336  hours.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to  gather and understand knowledge."

  	  Quote: 	
		      

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   From:    ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)    

   To: bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net) 

   Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM

   Subject: Re: Door pull

   



OC, good to hear    from you.  Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble.   

   Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project.     What's left to do?

   



   Al

    

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      On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

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		            7/2/2011

      

     Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of      nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door.      A knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling      out through the hole.

      

     On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a      round wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the      bead and a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each      cord to keep the bead from coming off.

      

     The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy      reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door      closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling      inward on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle      into the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward      wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved into the      pinned closed position by the door pin design.)

      

     Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch      handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some      additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to      the open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door      latches in the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt      mechanism.)

      

     For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding      the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep      the door from moving further open.

      

     An additional consideration is that a person on the ground      can force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency      rescue situation because the nylon cord  will slip and unwind if enough      force is applied to the exterior door latch handle.

      

     I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if      anyone is interested.

      

     'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and      effort to gather and understand knowledge."

      

     ================================

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		         From: ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com) 

       To: kisbuilders (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

       Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01        PM

       Subject: Door pull

       



Wondering what        builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting        inside?        



       Al

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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: Door pull

Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solutions are acceptable.  Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't you know that?

  

 I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton.

  

 Bob Reed



 

   From: "bakerocb(at)cox.net" <bakerocb(at)cox.net>

To: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>; "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM

Subject: Re: Door pull



   4/5/2011

  

 Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system.

  

 Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes.

  

 Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness and stickyness.

  

 Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement.

  

 This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

 [quote]  

 ================================

 From: ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com) 

 To: bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net) 

 Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM

 Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull

 



OC, good to hear from you.  Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble.  

 Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project.  What's left to do?

 



 Al

  

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  On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    7/2/2011

  

 Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out through the hole.

  

 On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from coming off.

  

 The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling inward on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.)

  

 Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.)

  

 For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving further open.

  

 An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation because the nylon cord  will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to the exterior door latch handle.

  

 I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is interested.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

  

 =======

  	  Quote: 	
		   From: ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com) 

 To: kisbuilders (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM

 Subject: Door pull

 



Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?  



 Al

	


	




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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:25 am Post subject: Door pull

Bob,



Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution?  It's simple all right and effective.  Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun

materials.  Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door.  Will post a picture.

 



Al



On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

[quote] Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solutions are acceptable.  Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't you know that?

   

 I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton.

  

 Bob Reed



 

   From: "bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)" <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)>

To: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)>; "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

 Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM

Subject: Re: KIS-List: Door pull



   4/5/2011

  

 Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system.

  

 Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes.

   

 Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness and stickyness.

   

 Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement.

   

 This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

  	  Quote: 	
		    

 =======

 From: ALFRED ROSA 

 To: bakerocb(at)cox.net 

 Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM

 Subject: Re: Door pull

 



OC, good to hear from you.  Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble.  

 Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project.  What's left to do?

 



 Al

  

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  On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    7/2/2011

  

 Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out through the hole.

   

 On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from coming off.

   

 The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling inward on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.)

   

 Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.)

   

 For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving further open.

  

 An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation because the nylon cord  will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to the exterior door latch handle.

   

 I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is interested.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

  

 =======

  	  Quote: 	
		   From: ALFRED ROSA 

 To: kisbuilders 

 Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 1:01 PM

 Subject: Door pull

 



Wondering what builders have done as an aid for closing an open door while sitting inside?  



 Al

	


	








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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:32 pm Post subject: Door pull

Yes, I was but then I told you I was a simpleton.  <BG>

--- On Wed, 7/6/11, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Door pull

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 12:25 PM

Bob,

Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution?  It's simple all right and effective.  Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun

materials.  Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door.  Will post a picture.

Al

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net> wrote:

Come on Al, we live in a time when nothing is simple and only complex solutions are acceptable.  Nothing that simple could possibly work, don't you know that?

I like it, but then again, I am just a simpleton.

Bob Reed

From: "bakerocb(at)cox.net" <bakerocb(at)cox.net>

To: ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>; "KIS-LIST, MATRONICS" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 11:10:24 PM

Subject: Re: Door pull

4/5/2011

Hello Al, Attached are two pictures of my KIS TR-1 door pull system.

Picture 0548 is taken with the copilot's door partially open (for picture taking purposes). When the door is fully open the string and ball hanging down makes it still possible to reach the ball and pull the door down and then the bottom end of the door inward for latching purposes.

Picture 0553 is taken with the copilot's door closed and the string wrapped over the handle and then around the handle knob to both keep the string out of the way and provide additional assurance that the handle will not inadvertently move to an open position. A little bit of bees wax rubbed on the string from time to time provides just the right combination of stiffness and stickyness.

Notice the taper on the end of the locking pin. This provides a wedging closed effect. The aluminum bracket that the pin goes into holds a nylon disc with a hole in it that the locking pin actually comes into contact with. The nylon disk provides a lubricating effect so that I don't have aluminum rubbing against aluminum during the pin locking movement.

This system has worked perfectly for over 336 hours.

'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

=======

From: ALFRED ROSA 

To: bakerocb(at)cox.net 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:03 AM

Subject: Re: Door pull

OC, good to hear from you.  Yes, send some pictures if it's not too much trouble. 

Bob, good to hear you're getting back to finishing the project.  What's left to do?

Al

============

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:05 AM, <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:

7/2/2011

Hello Al, I have a short length (maybe 12 inches long) of nylon cord coming out of a hole on the inside of the fat part of each door. A knot on the outer end of the cord keeps the cord end from pulling out through the hole.

On the cockpit inner end of each cord I have a round wooden bead (maybe 5/8 inch in diameter) with a hole through the bead and a recessed portion in the hole for a knot on the end of each cord to keep the bead from coming off.

The cords hang down with the beaded ends within easy reach for pulling the doors down with the cord into the door closed position. Additional inward pull is also applied by pulling inward on the beaded cord end as the other hand moves the latch handle into the door pinned closed position. (A slight door inward wedging action is created when the door latch handle is moved into the pinned closed position by the door pin design.)

Then each cord is wrapped around the door latch handle knob a few times to both keep the cord out of the way and to add some additional insurance that the latch handle will not inadvertently move to the open position while in flight. (The primary means of keeping the door latches in the closed position is the Europa shoot bolt mechanism.)

For some cooling air one can taxi with an elbow holding the door open a bit while that same hand is used to hold the cord to keep the door from moving further open.

An additional consideration is that a person on the ground can force the door latch into the door unlatched position in an emergency rescue situation because the nylon cord  will slip and unwind if enough force is applied to the exterior door latch handle.

I'd be happy to take and send or post some pictures if anyone is interested

bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:47 am Post subject: Door pull

7/7/2011

  

 Hello Al, You wrote: ".... it doesn't look  aeronautical....."

  

 I am not the least bit offended by your comment. 

  

 It does tend to reenforce an opinion I have that people are  divided into two categories. Upon encountering something new the first category  asks themselves only: "How does it work?" The second category asks themselves  only: "How does it look?"

  

 I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are  in the second category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise  we would live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a  beautiful, but useless world.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to  gather and understand knowledge."

  

 PS: I hope that your arms are long enough to reach your  aluminum handle to start pulling the doors closed from a fully open  position. I look forward to seeing your  picture.

 [quote]    

   ============================

    

   From:    ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)    

   To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

   Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:25    PM

   Subject: Re: Door pull

   



Bob,   



   Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution?  It's simple all    right and effective.  Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with    it's homespun

   materials.  Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the    door.  Will post a picture.

   



   Al

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Robert Reed

Joined: 22 Oct 2009
Posts: 331
Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:45 am Post subject: Door pull

By the way OC, I hope you realize that I was giving you a complement in my off-handed way.  I think your solution is really in keeping with the KIS concept that we seem to sometimes forget.

  

 Bob Reed



 

   From: "bakerocb(at)cox.net" <bakerocb(at)cox.net>

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com; robertr237(at)att.net; ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>

Sent: Thu, July 7, 2011 6:45:58 AM

Subject: Re: Door pull



   7/7/2011

  

 Hello Al, You wrote: ".... it doesn't look aeronautical...."

  

 I am not the least bit offended by your comment. 

  

 It does tend to reenforce an opinion I have that people are divided into two categories. Upon encountering something new the first category asks themselves only: "How does it work?" The second category asks themselves only: "How does it look?"

  

 I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but useless world.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

  

 PS: I hope that your arms are long enough to reach your aluminum handle to start pulling the doors closed from a fully open position. I look forward to seeing your picture.

 [quote]  

 ============================

  

 From: ALFRED ROSA (fredorosa(at)gmail.com) 

 To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:25 PM

 Subject: Re: Door pull

 



Bob,  



 Are you're referring to OCs pull string solution?  It's simple all right and effective.  Only thing is it doesn't look aeronautical with it's homespun

 materials.  Iv'e decided to try an aluminum pull grip riveted to the door.  Will post a picture.

 



 Al

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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: Door pull

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 I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but useless world.

   

 

 



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beautiful (if possible).  I think both are achievable.   Photos on the way.

Al 



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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:50 am Post subject: Door pull

FWIW I think it is a GREAT design, especially how well it "flows". )



Galin



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 I am definitely in the first category. You (and my wife) are in the second category. The world requires both categories of people otherwise we would live in a very functional, but maybe unattractive world, or a beautiful, but useless world.

     

 

   





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beautiful (if possible).  I think both are achievable.   Photos on the way.

Al 

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: Door pull

Al, you have a bulge on the lower part of the  inside door frame.  You can drill from the bottom and put and alumiumn wire  handle through the holes.  This makes an nice loop to grab onto.  It  has worked for me for 175 hours.  Kent 

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: Door pull

[img]cid:ii_13105cc9df67a57e[/img]Here is my solution to a door pull. A piece of angle aluminum riveted to the door frame.  It requires getting off your ass

to reach but it gives a very good grip to hold door tightly shut while engaging the lock pins with the crank handle.    

 



My plane has rear wing boarding so the outside handle is on the right side of the door.  The crank drives a spur gear 

which engages teeth in the square rod pin.  One complete turn locks or unlocks the door.  A thumbscrew fits a hole to 

 lock the crank handle in the closed position.

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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: Door pull

7/7/2011

  

 Hello Al, Thanks for the picture and the explanation -- a very  neat installation.

  

 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time  and effort to gather and understand knowledge."

  

 PS: I note with pleasure your use of the Torx (6 lobe) drive,  countersunk, flat head, stainless steel machine screws from Microfasteners.  It helps to justify the long effort that I put into having those screws created  and available to our homebuilding community.

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[img]cid:D3BE398151794E02BC1B1D47AC9EA11F(at)TCS21920[/img]   Here is my solution to a door pull. A piece of angle aluminum riveted to    the door frame.  It requires getting off your ass

   to reach but it gives a very good grip to hold door tightly shut    while engaging the lock pins with the crank handle.    

   



   My plane has rear wing boarding so the outside handle is on the    right side of the door.  The crank drives a spur gear 

   which engages teeth in the square rod pin.  One complete turn    locks or unlocks the door.  A thumbscrew fits a hole to 

   lock the crank handle in the closed  position.

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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: Door pull

I use a lot of those microfastener screws on my airplane. )



On Thursday, July 7, 2011,  <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:

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 7/7/2011



 Hello Al, Thanks for the picture and the explanation -- a very

 neat installation.



 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time

 and effort to gather and understand knowledge."



 PS: I note with pleasure your use of the Torx (6 lobe) drive,

 countersunk, flat head, stainless steel machine screws from Microfasteners.

 It helps to justify the long effort that I put into having those screws created

 and available to our homebuilding community.



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   ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com>



   To: kisbuilders <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

   Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:22

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   Here is my solution to a door pull. A piece of angle aluminum riveted to

   the door frame.  It requires getting off your ass

   to reach but it gives a very good grip to hold door tightly shut

   while engaging the lock pins with the crank handle.

   My plane has rear wing boarding so the outside handle is on the

   right side of the door.  The crank drives a spur gear

   which engages teeth in the square rod pin.  One complete turn

   locks or unlocks the door.  A thumbscrew fits a hole to

   lock the crank handle in the closed

 position.

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