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wschertz(at)comcast.net
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 Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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Barry,
Can you update us on the status of this KIS kit your EAA chapter received? Who bought it? Who was the original builder/owner, is the new owner (if any) on the list?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed 71 hours and counting
From: Barry Davis (bed(at)mindspring.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Our EAA Chapter is recieving a complete KIS Cruiser kit that is partialy completed. We will be selling this as soon as the paperwork is completed. Any idea what the value is? Looks fairly complete, but has no engine. Get ready to make an offer.
Barry Davis
Carrollton, Ga.
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cody.r.austin(at)gmail.co
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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This plane was modified to be a taildragger. The chapter declined the plane the last I heard.
Cody
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:40 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Barry,
Can you update us on the status of this KIS kit your EAA chapter received? Who bought it? Who was the original builder/owner, is the new owner (if any) on the list?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed 71 hours and counting
From: Barry Davis (bed(at)mindspring.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Our EAA Chapter is recieving a complete KIS Cruiser kit that is partialy completed. We will be selling this as soon as the paperwork is completed. Any idea what the value is? Looks fairly complete, but has no engine. Get ready to make an offer.
Barry Davis
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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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Barry; Do you know where is this kit located? I know several persons that might be interested in buying a cruiser kit.
Also, I heard through some contact in El Salvador that a group of investors is interested in buying PULSAR and getting it running again. It will depend if the El Salvador government auctions off PULSAR and all its assets. If so, they are going to see if they can put in a winning bid and try to make it work. BUt they are only interested if they can get the assets at a good price. These guys are very successful Salvadoran businessmen with enough assets to have a good shot at making it work. They are more interested in the 4 seat Cruiser than any of the other designs but will be doing whatever makes most business sense.
Lets keep our fingers crossed.
Galin
N819PR
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net (wschertz(at)comcast.net)> wrote:
[quote] Barry,
Can you update us on the status of this KIS kit your EAA chapter received? Who bought it? Who was the original builder/owner, is the new owner (if any) on the list?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed 71 hours and counting
From: Barry Davis (bed(at)mindspring.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Our EAA Chapter is recieving a complete KIS Cruiser kit that is partialy completed. We will be selling this as soon as the paperwork is completed. Any idea what the value is? Looks fairly complete, but has no engine. Get ready to make an offer.
Barry Davis
Carrollton, Ga.
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bakerocb
Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 7:29 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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5/13/2012
Hello Cody, Some one actually converted the 4 place Cruiser kit into a tail dragger? That does not make much sense. I can understand someone wanting a more sporty 2 place airplane and making a KIS TR-1 into a tail dragger, but a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense.
I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplane might have been.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."
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From: cody.r.austin (cody.r.austin(at)gmail.com)
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
This plane was modified to be a taildragger. The chapter declined the plane the last I heard.
Cody
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz(at)comcast.net (wschertz(at)comcast.net)>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:40 AM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Barry,
Can you update us on the status of this KIS kit your EAA chapter received? Who bought it? Who was the original builder/owner, is the new owner (if any) on the list?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed 71 hours and counting
From: Barry Davis (bed(at)mindspring.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Our EAA Chapter is recieving a complete KIS Cruiser kit that is partialy completed. We will be selling this as soon as the paperwork is completed. Any idea what the value is? Looks fairly complete, but has no engine. Get ready to make an offer.
Barry Davis
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:00 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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I would build a cruiser as a taildragger if it were the same amount of work. Check out the price of a cessna 180 compared to a 182. Look at the weight and drag of a nose gear compared to a tailwheel for instance.
Scott
On May 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:
[quote] 5/13/2012
Hello Cody, Some one actually converted the 4 place Cruiser kit into a tail dragger? That does not make much sense. I can understand someone wanting a more sporty 2 place airplane and making a KIS TR-1 into a tail dragger, but a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense.
I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplane might have been.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."
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From: cody.r.austin (cody.r.austin(at)gmail.com)
To: [url=mailto:kis-list(at)matronics.com]kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: RE: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
This plane was modified to be a taildragger. The chapter declined the plane the last I heard.
Cody
From: Bill Schertz <[url=mailto:wschertz(at)comcast.net]wschertz(at)comcast.net (wschertz(at)comcast.net)[/url]>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:40 AM
To: [url=mailto:kis-list(at)matronics.com]kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Barry,
Can you update us on the status of this KIS kit your EAA chapter received? Who bought it? Who was the original builder/owner, is the new owner (if any) on the list?
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed 71 hours and counting
From: Barry Davis (bed(at)mindspring.com)
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM
To: [url=mailto:kis-list(at)matronics.com]kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
Our EAA Chapter is recieving a complete KIS Cruiser kit that is partialy completed. We will be selling this as soon as the paperwork is completed. Any idea what the value is? Looks fairly complete, but has no engine. Get ready to make an offer.
Barry Davis
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bakerocb
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 4:19 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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5/14/2012
Hello Scott, Thanks for your input. You wrote: "I would build a cruiser as a
taildragger if it were the same amount of work."
I had written:
"... but a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense."
and
"I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplane
might have been."
What you say about drag, weight, etc. is true about the relative merits of a
tail dragger versus tricycle gear airplane.
When I wrote my comments about converting the Cruiser kit to a tail dragger
in my mind I had completely dismissed the whole category of what might be
called "bush planes" (Maule, Bearhawk, etc."). Maybe it is because I just
don't consider the KIS family of airplanes suitable for short / rough field
operations. There is nothing wrong or bad about that, it is just a
fundamental design characteristic.
I know that some KIS TR-1 builder / pilots make some very optimistic claims
about the short field operations of the airplane, but it is not one of the
real strengths of that plane and I believe that the 4 place Cruiser would
share those same characteristics. Recall the crash down in Florida of the
Super Cruiser that Bill Grote built when the pilot could not get the plane
down and stopped on a normal runway.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to
gather and understand knowledge."
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Time: 11:00:47 PM PST US
From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
I would build a cruiser as a taildragger if it were the same amount of work.
Check out the price of a cessna 180 compared to a 182. Look at the weight
and drag of a nose gear compared to a tailwheel for instance.
Scott
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On May 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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Hello Cody, Some one actually converted the 4 place Cruiser kit into a tai
l dragger? That does not make much sense. I can understand someone wanting a
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more sporty 2 place airplane and making a KIS TR-1 into a tail dragger, but
a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense.
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I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplan
e might have been.
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'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort t
o gather and understand knowledge."
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teds532(at)wk.net
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:50 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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I HAVE A FAST BUILD KIT WITH A NEW FUEL INJECTED MATTITUCK XP360 ENGINE WITH THE AEROSANCE FADEC SYSTEM THAT COST $30,000.00 THAT IS ABOUT 65 % COMPLETED. SOME AVIONOICE AND SOME INSTRUMENTS PLUS MANY ATHER PARTS AND EQUIPMENTTHAT I WILL SELL FOR $42,000.00 IF INTERESTED I CAN SEND SOME PHOTOS.TED SCOTT PHONE 731 247 5643
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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 8:15 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon |
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Hi OC,
I agree that the KIS planes are not great short or rough field airplanes. Still part of my airplane fantasy is landing on nice grass or dirt runways in idaho, montana, etc, but nothing short rough or off airport like a cessna 180 can handle.
BTW, check out the TV show Flying Wild Alaska on netflix. Great footage.
Scott
On May 14, 2012, at 5:19 AM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
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5/14/2012
Hello Scott, Thanks for your input. You wrote: "I would build a cruiser as a taildragger if it were the same amount of work."
I had written:
"... but a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense."
and
"I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplane
might have been."
What you say about drag, weight, etc. is true about the relative merits of a tail dragger versus tricycle gear airplane.
When I wrote my comments about converting the Cruiser kit to a tail dragger in my mind I had completely dismissed the whole category of what might be called "bush planes" (Maule, Bearhawk, etc."). Maybe it is because I just don't consider the KIS family of airplanes suitable for short / rough field operations. There is nothing wrong or bad about that, it is just a fundamental design characteristic.
I know that some KIS TR-1 builder / pilots make some very optimistic claims about the short field operations of the airplane, but it is not one of the real strengths of that plane and I believe that the 4 place Cruiser would share those same characteristics. Recall the crash down in Florida of the Super Cruiser that Bill Grote built when the pilot could not get the plane down and stopped on a normal runway.
'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to gather and understand knowledge."
==================================================================
Time: 11:00:47 PM PST US
From: Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: KIS Cruiser FOR SALE very soon
I would build a cruiser as a taildragger if it were the same amount of work.
Check out the price of a cessna 180 compared to a 182. Look at the weight
and drag of a nose gear compared to a tailwheel for instance.
Scott
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On May 13, 2012, at 8:29 PM, "bakerocb" <bakerocb(at)cox.net> wrote:
> 5/13/2012
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> Hello Cody, Some one actually converted the 4 place Cruiser kit into a tai
l dragger? That does not make much sense. I can understand someone wanting a
more sporty 2 place airplane and making a KIS TR-1 into a tail dragger, but
a 4 place airplane -- does not make sense.
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> I wonder what the last 4 place commercially available tail dragger airplan
e might have been.
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> 'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort t
o gather and understand knowledge."
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