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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:08 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Hi Galin,

Glad to hear that it will be a pretty quick fix.

You might want to think about sending the exhaust to Aircraft Exhaust or someone to copy it and make a nice stainless steel exhaust.   The other pipes may fail soon too.

Scott





On Apr 2, 2013, at 8:24 AM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



[quote]We completed a detailed inspection of the airplane and the damage is minor. YAAAAY! I will need a small stainless steel patch on the firewall, a new L bracket, a new steel pin, some minor fiberglass work and new piece of exhaust. It will take longest (1-2 weeks) to have the different parts fabricated and shipped to me. After that is should take another week to reassemble everything and have her back in the air. Here you can see the broken exhaust pipe and the damage it did to the nose wheel assembly.  



The broken exhaust pipe was behind the other one so you could not see it during a normal pre-flight inspection. Murphy is alive and well in aviation.

  

 

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
Posts: 727
Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:39 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose  gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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  Yes there is a part number (733699)  but nobody can seem to cross reference the part number on the shock. They want a  make model year of a car in order to find it. What shock are you using in your  nose-wheel? 

 

 





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fredorosa(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:05 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Galin,



How did you like the performance of the shock you had?   Could it have been softer or harder?

Now's your chance to adjust to your liking.

Al

 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

[quote]     4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose  gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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  Yes there is a part number (733699)  but nobody can seem to cross reference the part number on the shock. They want a  make model year of a car in order to find it. What shock are you using in your  nose-wheel? 

 

 





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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Using OC's information about the shock absorber being from a Ford Falcon, a very tenacious O'Reilley's auto parts employee found it. It is a Monroe-matic Plus 31069 shock absorber. You will have to cut the top cover off in order make it fit inside the assembly but otherwise it is a perfect fit.  



http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/MON6/31069.oap?year=1967&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1332302&ck=Search_C0077_MON_1332302_-1&mn=Monroe&mc=MON&pt=C0077&ppt=C0035

  



Keep this information handy in case you need a replacement. :0)



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  [quote]Galin,



How did you like the performance of the shock you had?   Could it have been softer or harder?

  Now's your chance to adjust to your liking.

Al

 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

  

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		       4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose  gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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randy.ott(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:37 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

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Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

[quote]Using OC's information about the shock absorber being from a Ford Falcon, a very tenacious O'Reilley's auto parts employee found it. It is a Monroe-matic Plus 31069 shock absorber. You will have to cut the top cover off in order make it fit inside the assembly but otherwise it is a perfect fit.  



http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/MON6/31069.oap?year=1967&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1332302&ck=Search_C0077_MON_1332302_-1&mn=Monroe&mc=MON&pt=C0077&ppt=C0035

  



Keep this information handy in case you need a replacement. :0)



On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

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		  Galin,



How did you like the performance of the shock you had?   Could it have been softer or harder?

  Now's your chance to adjust to your liking.

Al

 

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:

  

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		       4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose  gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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 Yes there is a part number (733699)  but nobody can seem to cross reference the part number on the shock. They want a  make model year of a car in order to find it. What shock are you using in your  nose-wheel? 

 

 







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Robert Reed

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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:04 pm Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Looks like it is essentially a shock dampened coil spring assembly.  The top part that you have to cut away is essentially the dust cover that was replaced by the outside of the nose gear tube.  Interesting bit of Aggie Engineering.  (Inside joke on Texas A & M)

 

The replacement looks like the right one.  Can you tell if the exhaust heat did any damage to the gear tube?  

  

 Bob

 

   From: Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com>

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Fri, April 5, 2013 4:41:31 PM

Subject: Re: Nose wheel assembly damage.



 Here is a picture of the disassembled nose gear assembly with a new shock absorber next to it. An extension is added to the top part of the shock absorber with two suspension coils that are also part of the assembly as spacers. You can see the top part of the stock shock that must be cut off in order for it to fit inside the assembly.

 



 On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Randy Ott <randy.ott(at)gmail.com (randy.ott(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 [quote]   D



Sent from my iPhone



  

On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		    Using OC's information about the shock absorber being from a Ford Falcon, a very tenacious O'Reilley's auto parts employee found it. It is a Monroe-matic Plus 31069 shock absorber. You will have to cut the top cover off in order make it fit inside the assembly but otherwise it is a perfect fit.  



 http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/MON6/31069.oap?year=1967&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1332302&ck=Search_C0077_MON_1332302_-1&mn=Monroe&mc=MON&pt=C0077&ppt=C0035

 



 Keep this information handy in case you need a replacement. :0)



 



 On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		   Galin,  



 How did you like the performance of the shock you had?   Could it have been softer or harder?

 Now's your chance to adjust to your liking.

 



 Al



 



  On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:



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		       4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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   Yes there is a part number (733699) but nobody can seem to cross reference the part number on the shock. They want a make model year of a car in order to find it. What shock are you using in your nose-wheel? 

 

 







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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 3:23 pm Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

As far as we can tell there was no damage whatsoever to the gear tube.



I got a reply from Matronics saying the picture can't be forwarded so here is another smaller version of the same picture just in case.  



Here is the picture of the disassembled nose gear assembly with a new shock absorber next to it. An extension is added to the top part of the shock  absorber with two suspension coils that are also part of the assembly as spacers. You can see the top part of the stock shock that must be cut off in order for it to fit inside the assembly.

  





On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Robert Reed <robertr237(at)att.net (robertr237(at)att.net)> wrote:

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		  Looks like it is essentially a shock dampened coil spring assembly.  The top part that you have to cut away is essentially the dust cover that was replaced by the outside of the nose gear tube.  Interesting bit of Aggie Engineering.  (Inside joke on Texas A & M)

   

The replacement looks like the right one.  Can you tell if the exhaust heat did any damage to the gear tube?  

  

 Bob

 

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Sent: Fri, April 5, 2013 4:41:31 PM

Subject: Re: Nose wheel assembly damage.



  

 Here is a picture of the disassembled nose gear assembly with a new shock absorber next to it. An extension is added to the top part of the shock absorber with two suspension coils that are also part of the assembly as spacers. You can see the top part of the stock shock that must be cut off in order for it to fit inside the assembly.

   

 On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Randy Ott <randy.ott(at)gmail.com (randy.ott(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 

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Sent from my iPhone



 

 

On Apr 4, 2013, at 4:43 PM, Galin Hernandez <galinhdz(at)gmail.com (galinhdz(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 

 	  Quote: 	
		    Using OC's information about the shock absorber being from a Ford Falcon, a very tenacious O'Reilley's auto parts employee found it. It is a Monroe-matic Plus 31069 shock absorber. You will have to cut the top cover off in order make it fit inside the assembly but otherwise it is a perfect fit.  



 http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/MON6/31069.oap?year=1967&make=Ford&model=Mustang&vi=1332302&ck=Search_C0077_MON_1332302_-1&mn=Monroe&mc=MON&pt=C0077&ppt=C0035

   



 Keep this information handy in case you need a replacement. :0)



 

 On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:04 AM, ALFRED ROSA <fredorosa(at)gmail.com (fredorosa(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 

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		   Galin,  



 How did you like the performance of the shock you had?   Could it have been softer or harder?

 Now's your chance to adjust to your liking.

 



 Al



 

  On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Owen Baker <bakerocb(at)cox.net (bakerocb(at)cox.net)> wrote:



 

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		       4/4/2013

  

 Hello Galin, Rich wrote that the shock absorber for the KIS Cruiser nose gear came from a Ford Falcon. That should narrow your search down a bit.

  

 OC

  

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  Yes there is a part number (733699) but nobody can seem to cross reference the part number on the shock. They want a make model year of a car in order to find it. What shock are you using in your nose-wheel? 

   

 





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mjpienaar(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:56 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Galin,

  

 I have the steerable gear and may want to  change to the castoring gear in the future. 

  

 If it is not too much trouble could you please  measure the gear and put the dimension and more foto's and deatails on Bob's  site as I only see the steerable version in the manual.

  

 Thanks

  

 MIke

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mjpienaar(at)shaw.ca
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 3:24 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Hi Galin,

  

 I was thinking of dimensional drawings so that I  coulsd build a replica. 

  

 I would appreciate a copy of the supplement to the  manual, all the info may be there.

  

 Thanks

  

 Mike

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mark_trickel

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Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:03 am Post subject: Re: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Mike and other TR-4 builders and owners,



The complete nose gear assembly sans the shock and spring set that goes inside is still available from Lyle Hendrick. The current price is $2800 US dollars plus shipping. Lyle made only 25 of these nose gear assemblies for Tri-R, so the rest of the fleet has either the early straight steerable gear assembly or none at all. 



Also available now is the retractable steps. Not sure what the cost is on this item but Lyle can fill these orders should any builders or owners be interested.



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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Will do



On Wednesday, April 10, 2013, Mike Pienaar  wrote:

[quote]       Hi Galin,

  

 I was thinking of dimensional drawings so that I  coulsd build a replica. 

  

 I would appreciate a copy of the supplement to the  manual, all the info may be there.

  

 Thanks

  

 Mike

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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: Nose wheel assembly damage.

Lyle just supplied me with the parts I needed to fix my nose wheel assembly. Very reasonable price and fast service. 



On Wednesday, April 10, 2013, mark_trickel  wrote:

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 Mike and other TR-4 builders and owners,

 

 The complete nose gear assembly sans the shock and spring set that goes inside is still available from Lyle Hendrick. The current price is $2800 US dollars plus shipping. Lyle made only 25 of these nose gear assemblies for Tri-R, so the rest of the fleet has either the early straight steerable gear assembly or none at all.

  

 Also available now is the retractable steps. Not sure what the cost is on this item but Lyle can fill these orders should any builders or owners be interested.

 

 Attached is a picture of the nose gear recently shipped to Dennis F. in Texas Also attached is a picture of the step set.

 

 

 

 

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