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fasilpereira

Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Posts: 86
Location: Brazil

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

I'll be in US by the end of August to look at Ted Scott's KIS Cruiser. If I confirm the purchase, I'll need to crate it inside a Container to ship it to Brazil.

I was looking at the spar and horizontal tail dimensions and found that it is not possible to put the aircraft in a container on it's wheels. I'll probably have to remove the main and nose landing gears and attach the fuselage with the spars tips at the container corners (45 degrees). The wings will probably be attatched to the container side walls.

Have anybody done that with a KIS Cruiser? Any better idea?

Thanks,



Fabricio

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fasilpereira

Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Posts: 86
Location: Brazil

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Galin,



I just saw a picture on your website where you show your Cruiser arriving at Pulsar factory in El Salvador in a container.

Do you have pictures showing how it was placed and attached inside the container? Could you give me some details about this process?

Best,



Fabricio

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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:13 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

It was 5 years ago so I don't remember very well. I do remember it was a tight fit but I think when they took the wings off it actually fit inside the container. The made a frame that held the fuselage so it would not move during transit. They also made a second frame that held the wings along the side of the container.

   

However, my Cruiser is an original design fuselage and yours might be a little wider, especially the horizontal stabilizer and tail portion. Measure the width of the Horizontal Stabilizer and this will tell you if it fits within the container. If so, then you will have to make the wood frame hold the fuselage at an angle while inside the container. Either way I would highly recommend a wood frame securing the fuselage and wings.

   

I hope this helps.

 

Galin



On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 10:42 PM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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 Galin,

 

 I just saw a picture on your website where you show your Cruiser arriving at Pulsar factory in El Salvador in a container.

 Do you have pictures showing how it was placed and attached inside the container? Could you give me some details about this process?

 Best,

 

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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:19 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

Hi Fabricio



I built a wooden frame that would fit through the doors of the container. It 

was basically a rectangle of 6ft by 18ft on the floor and a "wall" 6 ft by 

18 ft. I then crossed braced from the bottom to the top corners and bolted 

the main spar to the frame. You can then slide the frame into the container. 

The frame with the plane on is not heavy and you can easily secure the frame 

to the container. You have to remove the landing gear.



I will look for a photo



Mike

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Joined: 13 Dec 2011
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Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Hello Fabricio,



I am the brother of Richard Trickel, the designer and manufacture of KIS aircraft. Congratulations on your purchase of Teds Scotts TR-4 (that is should you go through with the deal). Although I have no experience shipping in a container I did recently move my TR-1C 1200 miles across the USA. I took me a few months to plan the move and a solid month to prepare the rigging to mount to airplane onto a trailer. My brother had vast amount of container shipping experience, he shipped airplanes all over the world. Most of them were in kit form but a few were completed airplanes. In 2006 (I think) He shipped two TR-4s to the big Oshkosh airshow located in the Northern middle of the USA from Pulsars shops in El Salvador. You are correct, the only way to fit a TR-4 in a container is mounting it on a frame to hold it at a 45 degree angle with a slight nose up attitude. Attached is a picture I found on the web of the airplane in the frame. Sorry the resolution of the picture is bad but it shows the frame style you will need to fabricate. It is hard to see much detail but the main landing gear has been removed to fit it into the container. When this airplane was returned to El Salvador somewhere along the way the container was dropped. There were many areas on the wings and fuselage where to cores of the laminated composite skins were crushed and needed extensive repairs. The prop hub was hit so hard they treated it like a prop strike, and they pulled the engine off the airplane for repairs. So I caution you to take extra care and add a lot of padding around all the components, and make sure that everything will remain stationary.



There is one other TR-4 (from Pulsar) in Bauru, Brazil. This airplane should be flying by now. There is also a KIS TR-1 somewhere in Brazil but I am not sure where it is.



If you have any other questions feel free to ask.



Good Luck,

Mark Trickel

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Robert Reed

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Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:06 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

Fabricio,

 

I have read several of the replies and your comments as well.  

 

I agree totally that the gear should be removed but I also would suggest that you make sure the engine is also removed and packed separately.  (Yeah, I know you already thought of that but I will not make any assumptions.)  I don't see much alternative to loading the fuselage on a 45degree angle inside a frame.  I would both strap the plane to the frame and pad it as well.  The fuselage will be essentially floating within the framework.  Removing the engine and landing gear removes much of the weight mass.  The wings are big and bulky but easily padded and secured.   

 

I have moved my plane twice, once from Houston to Dallas (275 miles) and from one side of Dallas to the other (50 miles).  Both were gut wrenching experiences.  Even though I had tied down, strapped down, and done everything to secure the plane in both cases the length of the trip combined with wind, vibration, bouncing around, road hazards including some very stupid drivers who nearly collided with the trailer looking at it, and in one case a broken hitch made for near disasters.  For that reason I can't emphasize enough the importance of both padding and tightly strapping everything down with backup to the backup.  Expect that the container, trailer, whatever is going to get some very rough handling along the way.  Everything that can be taken off and packed separately and securely should be.  Finally, nothing should be able to move about separately  within the container.  

 

GOOD LUCK and welcome to the kisbuilders.

 

Bob Reed

     

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I'll be in US by the end of August to look at Ted Scott's KIS Cruiser. If I confirm the purchase, I'll need to crate it inside a Container to ship it to Brazil.

I was looking at the spar and horizontal tail dimensions and found that it is not possible to put the aircraft in a container on it's wheels. I'll probably have to remove the main and nose landing gears and attach the fuselage with the spars tips at the container corners (45 degrees). The wings will probably be attatched to the container side walls.

Have anybody done that with a KIS Cruiser? Any better idea?

Thanks,



Fabricio



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fasilpereira

Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Posts: 86
Location: Brazil

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

First I'd like to thank everybody that answered my question.



Robert,



I've talked to Ted today and we are thinking on removing the engine from the airframe to reduce the weight and the loads on the fuselage. 

We will try to make a frame similar to the one on the picture that Mark have uploaded.



Mark, 



I know Zizo and have seen the KIS Cruiser that is in Bauru. I fly sailplanes there. It's about 1 hour and a half from where I live. I've tried to buy that airplane but could not get enough money. It is very beautiful and pretty close to the first flight, although Zizo has not been working on it for a long time.

I've talked to your brother by email some months before he passed away and even got his phone number to schedule a visit, but i was not able to get there before I got the sad news......

I don't know anything about the KIS TR-1 that is in Brazil.



Mike and Galin,



Any picture that you can get of the airplane in the container will help me a lot.



Again, thanks to everybody and I hope to be in the KIS Cruiser Builders list and later on the KIS Cruiser Pilots list.

Best regards,



Fabricio

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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:16 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

My airplane was packaged and put in the container by Mike Monroe (Jacksonville, FL) but I can't find a good contact number for him. If anyone has a good number for Mike please post it since he has experience in moving KIS4.

   

Galin



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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 First I'd like to thank everybody that answered my question.

 

 Robert,

 

 I've talked to Ted today and we are thinking on removing the engine from the airframe to reduce the weight and the loads on the fuselage.

 We will try to make a frame similar to the one on the picture that Mark have uploaded.

 

 Mark,

 

 I know Zizo and have seen the KIS Cruiser that is in Bauru. I fly sailplanes there. It's about 1 hour and a half from where I live. I've tried to buy that airplane but could not get enough money. It is very beautiful and pretty close to the first flight, although Zizo has not been working on it for a long time.

   I've talked to your brother by email some months before he passed away and even got his phone number to schedule a visit, but i was not able to get there before I got the sad news......

 I don't know anything about the KIS TR-1 that is in Brazil.

 

 Mike and Galin,

 

 Any picture that you can get of the airplane in the container will help me a lot.

 

 Again, thanks to everybody and I hope to be in the KIS Cruiser Builders list and later on the KIS Cruiser Pilots list.

 Best regards,

 

 Fabricio

 

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Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:38 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

I did find an aircraft transporting company that has lots of experience packing and moving aircraft from the US to International destinations.

 

http://neelaviation.com/

   

 



On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:14 PM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

  [quote]--> KIS-List message posted by: "fasilpereira" <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)>

   

 First I'd like to thank everybody that answered my question.

 

 Robert,

 

 I've talked to Ted today and we are thinking on removing the engine from the airframe to reduce the weight and the loads on the fuselage.

 We will try to make a frame similar to the one on the picture that Mark have uploaded.

 

 Mark,

 

 I know Zizo and have seen the KIS Cruiser that is in Bauru. I fly sailplanes there. It's about 1 hour and a half from where I live. I've tried to buy that airplane but could not get enough money. It is very beautiful and pretty close to the first flight, although Zizo has not been working on it for a long time.

   I've talked to your brother by email some months before he passed away and even got his phone number to schedule a visit, but i was not able to get there before I got the sad news......

 I don't know anything about the KIS TR-1 that is in Brazil.

 

 Mike and Galin,

 

 Any picture that you can get of the airplane in the container will help me a lot.

 

 Again, thanks to everybody and I hope to be in the KIS Cruiser Builders list and later on the KIS Cruiser Pilots list.

 Best regards,

 

 Fabricio

 

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fasilpereira

Joined: 17 Jul 2011
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Location: Brazil

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

After a huge help from Ted Scott and his very sweet Wife Sita, Tri-R SN 012 is on the way to Brazil.

I'm still at the Nashville airport getting ready to fly back to some and will send more details later.



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Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:21 pm Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

CONGRATULATIONS!

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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 After a huge help from Ted Scott and his very sweet Wife Sita, Tri-R SN 012 is on the way to Brazil.

 I'm still at the Nashville airport getting ready to fly back to some and will send more details later.

 

 Fabricio

 

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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:06 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

Looking good now come the nail biting part.  I hope it all arrives in the same condition that it left.

 

Good luck,

 

Bob Reed

     

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After a huge help from Ted Scott and his very sweet Wife Sita, Tri-R SN 012 is on the way to Brazil.

I'm still at the Nashville airport getting ready to fly back to some and will send more details later.



Fabricio



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fasilpereira

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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:37 pm Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Bob, I hope too...



The Container arrived on the port of Santos on September 19th.

It will probably arrive here in one or maybe two weeks.



Fabricio

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fasilpereira

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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:23 am Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Hello "Kis Family",



After a long time waiting for Customs Process, the TR-4 kit is at our hangar.

Everything was at exactly the same condition that it was when we loaded it in USA.



Unfortunately the truck loading crane arm that we've used to remove the fuselage from the container damaged the passenger door window, but I consider it a minor damage after such a long trip.....

I'm sending a few pictures of the aircraft in Brazil. I'll send more later.



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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:50 am Post subject: KIS Cruiser Crating

Congratulations!

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:24 AM, fasilpereira <fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com (fasilpereira(at)hotmail.com)> wrote:

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 Hello "Kis Family",

 

 After a long time waiting for Customs Process, the TR-4 kit is at our hangar.

 Everything was at exactly the same condition that it was when we loaded it in USA.

 

 Unfortunately the truck loading crane arm that we've used to remove the fuselage from the container damaged the passenger door window, but I consider it a minor damage after such a long trip.....

 I'm sending a few pictures of the aircraft in Brazil. I'll send more later.

 

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Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:02 am Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Hello Fabricio,



All windows area still available from the original supplier - Aircraft Windshield Company located in Los Alamitos, California, U.S.A. This company retains the original tooling used to make the windows included in KIS kits. When Pulsar was doing business with Aircraft Windshield they never paid their bills so they never got the tooling back, which is very fortunate for all KIS owners as we all can readily obtain replacement windows. Their website is at: http://www.aircraftwindshield.com and they will ship to overseas addresses.



I sent you a PM (personal message) through this forum about a couple of items that need to be addressed on your TR-4, if you did not received it let me know. If you would like the current list of KIS builders and owners I need an email address to send it to. If you PM me your address I will sent it right out to you.



Regards,

Mark T.

fasilpereira

Joined: 17 Jul 2011
Posts: 86
Location: Brazil

Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:04 am Post subject: Re: KIS Cruiser Crating

Thanks Mark.



I've sent an email to Aircraft Windshield Company yesterday asking for the price of a new window. I'm waiting for their reply. I'm trying to contact some local windshield company to check if they can make a copy using the original window.



 I've got your PM and I'll send my personal email to you soon.



Best regards,



Fabricio

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