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tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.c
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Posted: Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:20 pm Post subject: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,

Gidday, 

So, I've tried using a second incompressible, but am now concerned I have done that correctly. I placed the second one up against the other one, and as they compress, we know they exude outward, even a little bit. I reckon the cable I between the 2 could now be under tension, continually, and possibly quite a lot. Whatever stress it is preloaded is an equivalent weight, which in essence would minimise the stress loading on the cable. 

I've Lao got cable kicking around that looks more like gal than Stainless Steel, but I know I have only ever bought the right stuff 7x7 3/32" dia control cable. Is there a reason  why over time Stainess Steel cable can go dull over time?

Tony Renshaw



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On 1 Mar 2014, at 9:52 am, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)> wrote:

[quote]Yes I did. The 25mm long tail Richard talks about, instead of using tape I use an additional sleeve.

Tim



Tim Ward12 Waiwetu Street

Fendalton,

Christchurch,  8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

Ph 64 3 3515166

Mob 0210640221





On 1/03/2014, at 11:22 am, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Hi Tim,

So did you use two on all the ends, from pedal all the way thru to rudder?

TR



On 1 Mar 2014, at 8:52, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  Tony,

As Richard stated, I used two Nicopress Sleeves for " peace of mind".

Good recommendation.

Tim



Tim Ward12 Waiwetu Street

Fendalton,

Christchurch,  8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

Ph 64 3 3515166

Mob 0210640221





On 1/03/2014, at 6:39 am, "richard" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net (rcollings(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		       Hi Tony  You must leave an inch long tail after the sleeve and shrink  a short length of electric wire sleeving on to that end for protection. 

 Two things you can do also, conduct a proof load test, I don’t know the  loads but Europa may, or you could drop an email to Andy Draper at the LAA  engineering dept he would know. The other way of being certain is to build the  cables with two Nicopress sleeves on each end. I know its more weight but “Piece  of mind”is worth a few ounces . 

 Best of luck

 Richard

    

  From: Tony Renshaw (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Nicopress Squeezes Using Aviation Approved  Squeezer......comments requested .

  



  Gidday,

 I’ve attached 2 photos of my Nicopress squeezes, and 1 of the jaws of the  tool. Any input gratefully received.

 Regards

 Tony Renshaw

  

  

  

  

  

<2014_02_28_Distorted_Nicopress-12.jpeg><2014_02_28_Squeezed_Nicopress_End-14.jpeg>   

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:34 am Post subject: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,

Hi Tony

 The BGA here in England banned the use of stainless steel for rudder cables  about 10 years age. I think it was because with age like us it gets a bit  brittle but still looks good! As Graham has said the cable run is very straight  forward mostly internal, don’t worry use the stuff supplied by Europa but get  plated Nicropress sleeves.

 Best wishes

 Richard 

    

  From: Tony Renshaw (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:19 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Potential problem with second Nicopress and  dull SS control,cable question

  



  Gidday, 

 So, I've tried using a second incompressible, but am now concerned I have  done that correctly. I placed the second one up against the other one, and as  they compress, we know they exude outward, even a little bit. I reckon the cable  I between the 2 could now be under tension, continually, and possibly quite a  lot. Whatever stress it is preloaded is an equivalent weight, which in essence  would minimise the stress loading on the cable. 

 I've Lao got cable kicking around that looks more like gal than Stainless  Steel, but I know I have only ever bought the right stuff 7x7 3/32" dia control  cable. Is there a reason  why over time Stainess Steel cable can go dull  over time?

 Tony Renshaw

  

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On 1 Mar 2014, at 9:52 am, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		        Yes I did. The 25mm long tail Richard talks about, instead of using tape    I use an additional sleeve.

   Tim



Tim Ward    12 Waiwetu Street

   Fendalton,

   Christchurch,  8052

   New Zealand.

    

   ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

    

   Ph 64 3 3515166

   Mob 0210640221

    



   

On 1/03/2014, at 11:22 am, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>    wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		            Hi Tim,

     So did you use two on all the ends, from pedal all the way thru to      rudder?

     TR

     

On 1 Mar 2014, at 8:52, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)>      wrote:

      	  Quote: 	
		                Tony,

       As Richard stated, I used two Nicopress Sleeves for " peace of        mind".

       Good recommendation.

       Tim



Tim Ward        12 Waiwetu Street

       Fendalton,

       Christchurch,  8052

       New Zealand.

        

       ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

        

       Ph 64 3 3515166

       Mob 0210640221

        



       

On 1/03/2014, at 6:39 am, "richard" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net (rcollings(at)talktalk.net)>        wrote:

        	  Quote: 	
		                                      Hi Tony  You must leave an inch long tail after the sleeve and          shrink a short length of electric wire sleeving on to that end for          protection. 

         Two things you can do also, conduct a proof load test, I don’t know          the loads but Europa may, or you could drop an email to Andy Draper at          the LAA engineering dept he would know. The other way of being certain          is to build the cables with two Nicopress sleeves on each end. I know          its more weight but “Piece of mind”is worth a few ounces . 

         Best of luck

         Richard

                            

                  From: Tony Renshaw (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com) 

         Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM

         To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)          

         Subject: Nicopress Squeezes Using Aviation          Approved Squeezer......comments requested .

          



                  Gidday,

         I’ve attached 2 photos of my Nicopress squeezes, and 1 of the jaws          of the tool. Any input gratefully received.

         Regards

         Tony Renshaw

          

          

          

          

          

<2014_02_28_Distorted_Nicopress-12.jpeg><2014_02_28_Squeezed_Nicopress_End-14.jpeg>            

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:28 pm Post subject: Potential problem with second Nicopress and dull SS control,

Hi Richard, 

So yours must be the dull stuff too? I'll check the ACS catalogue again, but I thought that's all they sold, the Stainless Steel stuff. Funny that it's Ok in the US, where most of the worlds aviating occurs, but I understand bureaucracy. Thanks for the definitive answer. This stuff I have has been in a 15" dia roll since 1996. Do you think that is a concern?

Regards 

Tony Renshaw





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On 3 Mar 2014, at 3:33 am, "richard" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net (rcollings(at)talktalk.net)> wrote:

[quote]     Hi Tony

 The BGA here in England banned the use of stainless steel for rudder cables  about 10 years age. I think it was because with age like us it gets a bit  brittle but still looks good! As Graham has said the cable run is very straight  forward mostly internal, don’t worry use the stuff supplied by Europa but get  plated Nicropress sleeves.

 Best wishes

 Richard 

    

  From: Tony Renshaw (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com) 

 Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2014 12:19 AM

 To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com) 

 Subject: Potential problem with second Nicopress and  dull SS control,cable question

  



  Gidday, 

 So, I've tried using a second incompressible, but am now concerned I have  done that correctly. I placed the second one up against the other one, and as  they compress, we know they exude outward, even a little bit. I reckon the cable  I between the 2 could now be under tension, continually, and possibly quite a  lot. Whatever stress it is preloaded is an equivalent weight, which in essence  would minimise the stress loading on the cable. 

 I've Lao got cable kicking around that looks more like gal than Stainless  Steel, but I know I have only ever bought the right stuff 7x7 3/32" dia control  cable. Is there a reason  why over time Stainess Steel cable can go dull  over time?

 Tony Renshaw

  

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On 1 Mar 2014, at 9:52 am, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)> wrote:

  	  Quote: 	
		        Yes I did. The 25mm long tail Richard talks about, instead of using tape    I use an additional sleeve.

   Tim



Tim Ward    12 Waiwetu Street

   Fendalton,

   Christchurch,  8052

   New Zealand.

    

   ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

    

   Ph 64 3 3515166

   Mob 0210640221

    



   

On 1/03/2014, at 11:22 am, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com)>    wrote:

    	  Quote: 	
		            Hi Tim,

     So did you use two on all the ends, from pedal all the way thru to      rudder?

     TR

     

On 1 Mar 2014, at 8:52, Tim Ward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)>      wrote:

      	  Quote: 	
		                Tony,

       As Richard stated, I used two Nicopress Sleeves for " peace of        mind".

       Good recommendation.

       Tim



Tim Ward        12 Waiwetu Street

       Fendalton,

       Christchurch,  8052

       New Zealand.

        

       ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz (ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz)

        

       Ph 64 3 3515166

       Mob 0210640221

        



       

On 1/03/2014, at 6:39 am, "richard" <rcollings(at)talktalk.net (rcollings(at)talktalk.net)>        wrote:

        	  Quote: 	
		                                      Hi Tony  You must leave an inch long tail after the sleeve and          shrink a short length of electric wire sleeving on to that end for          protection. 

         Two things you can do also, conduct a proof load test, I don’t know          the loads but Europa may, or you could drop an email to Andy Draper at          the LAA engineering dept he would know. The other way of being certain          is to build the cables with two Nicopress sleeves on each end. I know          its more weight but “Piece of mind”is worth a few ounces . 

         Best of luck

         Richard

                            

                  From: Tony Renshaw (tonyrenshaw268(at)gmail.com) 

         Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 10:41 AM

         To: europa-list(at)matronics.com (europa-list(at)matronics.com)          

         Subject: Nicopress Squeezes Using Aviation          Approved Squeezer......comments requested .

          



                  Gidday,

         I’ve attached 2 photos of my Nicopress squeezes, and 1 of the jaws          of the tool. Any input gratefully received.

         Regards

         Tony Renshaw

          

          

          

          

          

<2014_02_28_Distorted_Nicopress-12.jpeg><2014_02_28_Squeezed_Nicopress_End-14.jpeg>            

         <2014_02_28_Nicopress_Crimper_Jaws-11.jpeg>

          

         

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