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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Someone on the list was asking to see baggage area  and rear bulkhead photos.  I finally found one of my aircraft, N31BZ, the  Esqual LS - Lightning Stuff.  B&B in Shelbyville (they do contract work  for Pete and the guys) did my interior and they had the embroidery done on the  bulkhead.  In this photo the side panels in the cockpit are not in place  yet and it looks like the baggage area headliner is also not in  place.  The slits on either side of the clear FAA paperwork holder are for  the shoulder harnesses.  

     As a side thought and suggestion for Lightning  builders, I will be adding some sort of vent in the bulkhead to let air out of  the cockpit.  In the summer when you have both cockpit fresh air vents open  and  you are cruising at 170 or so, so much air come into the cockpit  that there is some pressurization of the cockpit.  The canopy actually  bulges out slightly on each side.  Some way for this air to flow through  the cockpit into the aft fuselage should fix this situation.

 Blue Skies,

 Buz

lozhoffman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Buz,

Even at 80-90kts in the motorglider the cockpit

pressurisation is significant as a function of the

effective cabin ventilation. I fitted what looks like

a small radio speaker cover to the bulkhead as a vent

into the rear fuselage and the increae in airflow into

the cockpit is doubled.



I did however fit it a little low on the bulkhead as

when the baggage area is holding a lot of gear it will

usually block the vent partially so it would pay to

set it higher on the bulkhead.



How effect is the Lightning cockpit ventilation

without canopy side scoops?

Laurie

Sydney

--- N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Someone on the list was asking to see baggage area 

 and rear bulkhead photos. 

  I finally found one of my aircraft, N31BZ, the 

 Esqual LS - Lightning Stuff. 

  B&B in Shelbyville (they do contract work  for Pete

 and the guys) did my 

 interior and they had the embroidery done on the 

 bulkhead.  In this photo the 

 side panels in the cockpit are not in place  yet and

 it looks like the baggage 

 area headliner is also not in  place.  The slits on

 either side of the clear 

 FAA paperwork holder are for  the shoulder

 harnesses.  

     As a side thought and suggestion for Lightning 

 builders, I will be 

 adding some sort of vent in the bulkhead to let air

 out of  the cockpit.  In the 

 summer when you have both cockpit fresh air vents

 open  and  you are cruising at 

 170 or so, so much air come into the cockpit  that

 there is some 

 pressurization of the cockpit.  The canopy actually 

 bulges out slightly on each side.  

 Some way for this air to flow through  the cockpit

 into the aft fuselage should 

 fix this situation.

 Blue Skies,

 Buz

  

  

 

 


	




 

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N1BZRich(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

In a message dated 2/2/2007 7:16:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  lozhoffman(at)yahoo.com writes:

  	  Quote: 	
		  How    effect is the Lightning cockpit ventilation

without canopy side    scoops?

	


 

 Hi Laurie,

     The Lightning has great cockpit ventilation.   Each side of the fuselage, just aft of the firewall, has a NACA ducts that  provide air to the cockpit.  In the cockpit are adjustable outlets that  lets you open and close off the air flow.  There are no canopy side  scoops.  However there is an option to add a small sliding canopy opening  similar to what I have seen on gliders.  I have one of these on my Esqual  canopy.  On the ground you can taxi with the Lightning canopy slightly open  for fresh air.

     As far as a mod to let air flow through the  cockpit, I have found some round 3" aluminum vents that I plan to use.  I  will put one on each side of the aft baggage bulkhead near the top.  How  large was that outlet vent you used?

 Buz

  

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lozhoffman(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Buz,

About 5" diameter. Pleased to hear that the Lightning

canopy can be cracked open on the ground. Sure does

get hot in this country at times.

Laurie



--- N1BZRich(at)aol.com wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		    

 In a message dated 2/2/2007 7:16:16 P.M. Eastern

 Standard Time,  

 lozhoffman(at)yahoo.com writes:

 

 How  effect is the Lightning cockpit ventilation

 without canopy side  scoops?

 

 

 

 Hi Laurie,

     The Lightning has great cockpit ventilation.  

 Each side of the fuselage, 

 just aft of the firewall, has a NACA ducts that 

 provide air to the cockpit.  

 In the cockpit are adjustable outlets that  lets you

 open and close off the 

 air flow.  There are no canopy side  scoops. 

 However there is an option to add 

 a small sliding canopy opening  similar to what I

 have seen on gliders.  I 

 have one of these on my Esqual  canopy.  On the

 ground you can taxi with the 

 Lightning canopy slightly open  for fresh air.

     As far as a mod to let air flow through the 

 cockpit, I have found some 

 round 3" aluminum vents that I plan to use.  I  will

 put one on each side of 

 the aft baggage bulkhead near the top.  How  large

 was that outlet vent you used?

 Buz

  

 


	


 

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Scotty

Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Posts: 44
Location: Peachtree City, GA

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: Re: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Buz and Laurie, et al,

The Diamond DA40 has the same style canopy as the Lightning.  There is an additional locking hole for the canopy latching pin to go into.  It is located about 1 inch above the "closed and locked" hole.  You raise the canopy, and latch it in this slightly opened position when on the ground and it provides a great ventilation on the ground when the engine is running.   



The DA-40 also has a little vent window on the side.  It is worthless in flight and on the ground unless you stick your hand out and "scoop" some air into the cockpit.



I am not recommending this additional hole except as a possibility, because I have not looked at the fuselage strength where the canopy latch hole is located.  It is a great feature on the DA-40.  Check it out the next time you see a DA-40.



Another feature they have is a painted "ceiling" on the roof of the canopy to block some of the sun.  However, the sun and the painted "ceiling" are in cahoots.  They move just enough for the sun to beat on your head or get into your eyes on EVERY flight.   



Oops.  On re-looking at Buz's picture, the canopy lock down system may be different than on the DA-40.  Ready Fire Aim....

Scotty

dashvii(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Scotty,

   The two-hole canopy latching part is also on the Lightning prototype.  

Not sure if anybody else uses it or not.  Also Buz utilized something that 

looks like a painted cieling, but it's the stick on type of sun visor stuff 

so it is just a darkened area above the cockpit.  When I flew the Ligthning 

out to Arizona I had some stick on sun visors and they worked really well 

and I could move them around as the sun moved around.  Brian W.

From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty(at)earthlink.net>

Reply-To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Date: Sat,  3 Feb 2007 04:45:04 -0800






Buz and Laurie, et al,

The Diamond DA40 has the same style canopy as the Lightning.  There is an 

additional locking hole for the canopy latching pin to go into.  It is 

located about 1 inch above the "closed and locked" hole.  You raise the 

canopy, and latch it in this slightly opened position when on the ground and 

it provides a great ventilation on the ground when the engine is running.



The DA-40 also has a little vent window on the side.  It is worthless in 

flight and on the ground unless you stick your hand out and "scoop" some air 

into the cockpit.



I am not recommending this additional hole except as a possibility, because 

I have not looked at the fuselage strength where the canopy latch hole is 

located.  It is a great feature on the DA-40.  Check it out the next time 

you see a DA-40.



Another feature they have is a painted "ceiling" on the roof of the canopy 

to block some of the sun.  However, the sun and the painted "ceiling" are in 

cahoots.  They move just enough for the sun to beat on your head or get into 

your eyes on EVERY flight.



  [Laughing]



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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Brian,

Yes, I get them at Walmart (in the FAA approved section, of course) and keep them in my flight bag.  When they quit sticking to the window, I wash them with a mild detergent and they magically start sticking again.

Scotty

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corky(at)hbci.com
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Laurie

I have an Esqual which I have installed a Kroger sunshade.  It slides back 

on a track that is double faced taped to inside of canopy. It keeps cockpit 

cooler on sunny days and on cloudy days you simply slide it back.  It never 

gets in the way and it looks cool. Got mine through Vans Aircraft.

Rosen makes a sunshade that I also use, You simply apply it with suction 

cubs. Blocks sun very well.

Dave McC.

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lbmathias(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:38 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

We have two side windows in the canopy of our Lightning;  they aren't sliding windows but are actually small rectangular windows that are  hinged on the bottom so open down.  They will be either open or closed  - no partial opening.

  

                                                        Linda 

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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

That's kind of cool.  Are they large enough to stick a camera lens through, or is that not practical?  Also, do you have a pic of the installation?



 On 2/5/07, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net (lbmathias(at)verizon.net)> wrote: [quote]      We have two side windows in the canopy of our Lightning; they aren't sliding windows but are actually small rectangular windows that are hinged on the bottom so open down.  They will be either open or closed - no partial opening. 

  

                                                     Linda 

 [quote] ---

dashvii(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:07 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Jim,

   Here's a blow up of a pic that I took.  Not of the canopy, but I cropped 

it.  The windows are similar to many different versions of Piper Arrows that 

I have flown.  Just a little fold down.  You could probably get a camera 

lense through the hole, but it's not very practical as the wing is right 

there.  You might could turn the plane on its side every now and again and 

get a shot out of it.  Regardless it helps with cockpit ventilation.  It's 

similar to Buz's sliding window, just this one henges and folds down.  Brian 

W.

From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>

Reply-To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:50:23 -0500



That's kind of cool.  Are they large enough to stick a camera lens through,

or is that not practical?  Also, do you have a pic of the installation?



On 2/5/07, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]

      We have two side windows in the canopy of our Lightning; they aren't

sliding windows but are actually small rectangular windows that are hinged

on the bottom so open down.  They will be either open or closed - no 

partial

opening.



                                                     Linda



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lbmathias(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:14 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

JIm,

     Brian answered the question  about camera lens but I think you can see the windows a little better in the  picture I am attaching.   We did not install the side windows; the  canopy was delivered with the windows installed.

                                               Linda 

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pequeajim

Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 708
Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:34 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

VERY NICE!   Thanks to you both for the information.  THe reasont that I asked is that my daughter LOVES to take pictures and is very excited about going up in ANY aircraft that I fly.  RIght now, I am flying a rental 172 and you can't open the windows and they are typically scratched so the pics come out foggy.  Having a big clear canopy will make things a little better,  Having a small window to stick the lens through might work too. 

  

 Will you have your aircraft at Sun N Fun?  If so, I can get a look at them when I'm at the show.

  

 Jim!



 

 On 2/5/07, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net (lbmathias(at)verizon.net)> wrote: [quote]  JIm,

     Brian answered the question about camera lens but I think you can see the windows a little better in the picture I am attaching.   We did not install the side windows; the canopy was delivered with the windows installed. 

                                              Linda 

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dashvii(at)hotmail.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Jim,

  I too love to shoot aerial photos.  I did a photoshoot for a local paper 

last year of industry around the city.  We got some great pics.  I had to 

use a Cherokee 140.  Well the wing was always in the way.  The pilot wa an 

ex- Air Force B-52 and F-111 pilot.  He would crank it over 90 degrees and 

let me get a shot.  Problem was that we couldn't hold that but for a second. 

  I've found that high wing airplanes that the window will open fully or the 

door can be removed is best for that.  There is a Rans S7S with a Jabiru 

firewall forward kit on it at Shelbyville right now.  It'd make a fantastic 

camera platform as the whole side of the plane can be removed for flight.  

Brian W.

From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim(at)gmail.com>

Reply-To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

To: lightning-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:33:18 -0500



VERY NICE!   Thanks to you both for the information.  THe reasont that I

asked is that my daughter LOVES to take pictures and is very excited about

going up in ANY aircraft that I fly.  RIght now, I am flying a rental 172

and you can't open the windows and they are typically scratched so the pics

come out foggy.  Having a big clear canopy will make things a little

better,  Having a small window to stick the lens through might work too.



Will you have your aircraft at Sun N Fun?  If so, I can get a look at them

when I'm at the show.



Jim!

On 2/5/07, JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS <lbmathias(at)verizon.net> wrote:

[quote]

  JIm,

     Brian answered the question about camera lens but I think you can see

the windows a little better in the picture I am attaching.   We did not

install the side windows; the canopy was delivered with the windows

installed.

                                              Linda

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lbmathias(at)verizon.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Baggage area and rear bulkhead

Jim,

  

     We plan to be at Sun 'n' Fun if  the registration comes in time for the inspection and 40 hours to be flown  off.     Just in a holding pattern right now!    

  

                                                    Linda 

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