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The fuel cells will require removal. There is a good shop here in the Portland, OR area. Aero Air can do the work. If you can ferry the airplane. Morris Kernick, Commander Services 321-403-8813 can also do a great job but is further away in Stockton CA. Good luck. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 685 Commander
Date: Feb 10, 2005
I just gave the wrong engine times on the 685 that I said might be for sale. One engine has about 400 hrs., and the other about 1,110. Larry Wokral ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Spar NDT Hamilton MT.
Date: Feb 11, 2005
This is the first message I have posted. The company that does our NDT is close to Hamilton MT. It is Mountain Inspection Services FAA Repair Station #MC3R299X 9922 E. Montgomery Avenue, Suite 1 Spokane WA. 99206 509-924-9236 They will travel and perform inspection, they do need someone else to rremove the bladders Mike Commander NW LTD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 12, 2005
Subject: Re: 685 Commander
In a message dated 2/10/2005 1:44:41 PM Central Standard Time, l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com writes: > I just gave the wrong engine times on the 685 that I said might be for > sale. > One engine has about 400 hrs., and the other about 1,110. > > Larry Wokral Hi, Larry What are the specs on the 685? What year and engines. Thanks Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Green with envy
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Date: Feb 12, 2005
OK, even the fighter jocks will enjoy the heck out of this...... Cable or DSL is probably necessary for this 16 minute slice of heaven. =A0http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Green with envy
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Barry, I tried to pull it up several different ways and could not, have any idea what I missed or did wrong. Jim Addington -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Green with envy OK, even the fighter jocks will enjoy the heck out of this...... Cable or DSL is probably necessary for this 16 minute slice of heaven. =A0http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Wind Dancer?
I hate to admit my poor memory, but I can't remember the name of the person who is associated with Wind Dancer Aviation.... I see that a bunch of PA23 STCs have been transfered to Wind Dancer. I've finally managed to scrounge up enough dollars to do my overhauls "right" and put new cylinders on. I'd like to put high compression pistons in and think there is an existing STC owned by W-D. Anyone? thanks, Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Wind Dancer?
Date: Feb 13, 2005
cs, IT WAS TYLOR HALL BUT HE IS IN ALBUQURE. CALL HIM OR TALK TO GARY K. MASON I HAVE TYLOR S NUMBER IS YOU WANT IT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schuermann<mailto:cschuerm(at)cox.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: Commander-List: Wind Dancer? I hate to admit my poor memory, but I can't remember the name of the person who is associated with Wind Dancer Aviation.... I see that a bunch of PA23 STCs have been transfered to Wind Dancer. I've finally managed to scrounge up enough dollars to do my overhauls "right" and put new cylinders on. I'd like to put high compression pistons in and think there is an existing STC owned by W-D. Anyone? thanks, Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Green with envy
In a message dated 2/13/2005 10:46:45 AM Central Standard Time, jtaddington(at)charter.net writes: > I tried to pull it up several different ways and could not, have any idea > what I missed or did wrong. Me to......couldn't get it. Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Wind Dancer?
MASON CHEVAILLIER wrote: > cs, IT WAS TYLOR HALL BUT HE IS IN ALBUQURE. D'OH! Yep, came right to me as soon as I read it. Thanks. Sure looking forward to getting my bird back in the air! Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Green with envy
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (iMac)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
On 2/13/05 10:45 AM, "Jim Addington" wrote: > Barry, > > I tried to pull it up several different ways and could not, have any idea > what I missed or did wrong. > > Jim Addington I GOT IT TO WORK, BUT FRANKLY I GET MORE JUICED BY SEEING THE TURBO COMMANDER VIDEOS ON THE TCAC WEBSITE. The wmv file was a movie showing what I think are Pilatus training jets flying thru the mountains set to music. -- Deneal Schilmeister ATP Learjet St. Louis, Missouri USA http://homepage.mac.com/deneals ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JBOBSTER(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Wind Dancer?
Tylor Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Wind Dancer?
Date: Feb 13, 2005
You rang? Yes, I was (the operative work is WAS with Wind Dancer) with Wind Dancer. That was over 1 year ago. The rumor on the street is the Wind Dancer is being sold. What will happen with the STC? Is unknown. That will be up to the new owner if they even want the STC's. www.winddancer.aero is the web site. ALBUQUERQUE, or ABQ for short. I had to learn how to spell it when I moved here. New AVGAS tank at Oceana, CA in San Luis Obispo County will soon be open for self-service fueling. There will be another at Wind Dancer(or what ever the new name will be), Pagosa Springs, 2V1, CO soon as well. Tylor Hall 970-946-7472 Tylor Hall ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Wind Dancer?
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Tyler, do you mean "Oceano" in San Luis Obispo county? I had to learn to spell that when my brother moved there ;-). Cheers & just teasin', /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer? > > You rang? > Yes, I was (the operative work is WAS with Wind Dancer) with Wind Dancer. > That was over 1 year ago. > The rumor on the street is the Wind Dancer is being sold. > What will happen with the STC? Is unknown. > That will be up to the new owner if they even want the STC's. > www.winddancer.aero is the web site. > > ALBUQUERQUE, or ABQ for short. I had to learn how to spell it when I moved > here. > > New AVGAS tank at Oceana, CA in San Luis Obispo County will soon be open for > self-service fueling. There will be another at Wind Dancer(or what ever the > new name will be), Pagosa Springs, 2V1, CO soon as well. > > Tylor Hall > 970-946-7472 > > > Tylor Hall > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Wind Dancer?
Date: Feb 13, 2005
No wonder it never came up in the Neverlost GPS? Thank you. It is just a short flight for you to see your brother. Oceano County (L52) OCEANO, CA Publicly Owned, Public Use 1.0 mi. W of city. N35-06.08 W120-37.33 Mag Var: 15 deg E Phone: 805-473-2001 Fax: 805-781-5985 It is a very nice SHORT runway. I stayed at the Pacific Plaza Resort that is one block toward the ocean. Nice place. There is an interesting restaurant in two railroad cars that is in walking distance. Tylor Hall Tyler, do you mean "Oceano" in San Luis Obispo county? I had to learn to spell that when my brother moved there ;-). Cheers & just teasin', /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer? > > You rang? > Yes, I was (the operative work is WAS with Wind Dancer) with Wind Dancer. > That was over 1 year ago. > The rumor on the street is the Wind Dancer is being sold. > What will happen with the STC? Is unknown. > That will be up to the new owner if they even want the STC's. > www.winddancer.aero is the web site. > > ALBUQUERQUE, or ABQ for short. I had to learn how to spell it when I moved > here. > > New AVGAS tank at Oceana, CA in San Luis Obispo County will soon be open for > self-service fueling. There will be another at Wind Dancer(or what ever the > new name will be), Pagosa Springs, 2V1, CO soon as well. > > Tylor Hall > 970-946-7472 > > > Tylor Hall > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: FW: [Fwd: Airplanes]
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: FW: [Fwd: Airplanes] Subject: [Fwd: Airplanes] -------- Original Message -------- Here are some great pictures of the 2004 Nellis AFB airshow Click here: Nellis Airshow 2004 Highlights ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Wind Dancer?
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Not only short, but the runway is *maybe* 10 feet wider than the mains on a 500B. Also, the winds generally favor a takeoff towards the ocean (runway is E-W) and you literally buzz the seaside strip (couple of hotels, shops, restaurants) on the way out. I figure I didn't make any friends in Pismo Beach with my takeoff.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer? > > > No wonder it never came up in the Neverlost GPS? Thank you. > It is just a short flight for you to see your brother. > > Oceano County (L52) > OCEANO, CA > Publicly Owned, Public Use > 1.0 mi. W of city. > N35-06.08 W120-37.33 > Mag Var: 15 deg E > Phone: 805-473-2001 Fax: 805-781-5985 > > It is a very nice SHORT runway. I stayed at the Pacific Plaza Resort that > is one block toward the ocean. Nice place. There is an interesting > restaurant in two railroad cars that is in walking distance. > > Tylor Hall > > Tyler, do you mean "Oceano" in San Luis Obispo county? I had to learn to > spell that when my brother moved there ;-). > > Cheers & just teasin', > > /John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Wind Dancer? > > > > > > > You rang? > > Yes, I was (the operative work is WAS with Wind Dancer) with Wind Dancer. > > That was over 1 year ago. > > The rumor on the street is the Wind Dancer is being sold. > > What will happen with the STC? Is unknown. > > That will be up to the new owner if they even want the STC's. > > www.winddancer.aero is the web site. > > > > ALBUQUERQUE, or ABQ for short. I had to learn how to spell it when I > moved > > here. > > > > New AVGAS tank at Oceana, CA in San Luis Obispo County will soon be open > for > > self-service fueling. There will be another at Wind Dancer(or what ever > the > > new name will be), Pagosa Springs, 2V1, CO soon as well. > > > > Tylor Hall > > 970-946-7472 > > > > > > Tylor Hall > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.998 (20050212) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Green with envy
In a message dated 2/13/2005 10:28:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, deneals(at)sbcglobal.net writes: GOT IT TO WORK, BUT FRANKLY I GET MORE JUICED BY SEEING THE TURBO COMMANDER VIDEOS ON THE TCAC AMEN!!!! I have two great promo videos from TCAC and there are some outstanding shots. Like a pair of -10s, in formation doing a gear extention/retraction. Yum, Yum!! jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: JBOBSTER(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Subject: Twin Commander History - Brochure
Help! I loaned my yellow staple-bound Twin Commander brochure (the one with the foreward by Wing Commander Gordon) to a fellow Commander wannabe at Kansas City. Not worried about getting it returned...but does anyone know where I can beg, borrow, steal, (or purchase) a replacement??? Many Thanks.... Jim Carroll 5898 NW Lac Leman Dr Issaquah WA 98027 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Subject: Re: Twin Commander History - Brochure
In a message dated 13-Feb-05 21:30:44 Pacific Standard Time, JBOBSTER(at)aol.com writes: > Not worried about getting it returned...but does anyone know where I can > beg, borrow, steal, (or purchase) a replacement??? > Commander Aero in the Dayton, Ohio, area, was my official distributor of that booklet. Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Lighten up!
Date: Feb 14, 2005
On Feb 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > I GOT IT TO WORK, BUT FRANKLY I GET MORE JUICED BY SEEING THE TURBO > COMMANDER VIDEOS ON THE TCAC WEBSITE. Well, it's not for everyone, but if going UP the face of the Matterhorn at 500 knots doesn't get your juices flowing, you may want to check your pulse.... :)- > > The wmv file was a movie showing what I think are Pilatus training jets > flying thru the mountains set to music. Pilatus training jets or Mirage IIIS front line fighters, same thing...well, except Pilatus doesn't build jet trainers.... Sorry for the sarcasm, but frankly when you YELL at me for posting something that's fun for most and can't appreciate one of the better flying videos around, well.... Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Deneal Schilmeister (Portege)" <deneals(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Lighten up!
Date: Feb 14, 2005
B arry, I didn/'t mean to yell. I'm disabled now, can only type with my left hand (I was right-handed), and sometimes the caps lock key gets hit when I strike an "A" and I don't notice it. Having several thousand hours in ?Learjets, particularly a few hundred in a late model 23 based in Denver, and taking test flights to Aspen, I understand about the subject. BTDT. Again, sorry to offend. It was not intended. ___________________________ Deneal Schilmeister St. Louis - Cincinnati 1997 SL500 http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Barry Hancock On Feb 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > I GOT IT TO WORK, BUT FRANKLY I GET MORE JUICED BY SEEING THE TURBO > COMMANDER VIDEOS ON THE TCAC WEBSITE. Well, it's not for everyone, but if going UP the face of the Matterhorn at 500 knots doesn't get your juices flowing, you may want to check your pulse.... :)- > > The wmv file was a movie showing what I think are Pilatus training jets > flying thru the mountains set to music. Pilatus training jets or Mirage IIIS front line fighters, same thing...well, except Pilatus doesn't build jet trainers.... Sorry for the sarcasm, but frankly when you YELL at me for posting something that's fun for most and can't appreciate one of the better flying videos around, well.... Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Green with envy
Date: Feb 14, 2005
OK, even the fighter jocks will enjoy the heck out of this......> Barry, kind of reminds me of when I wore younger clothes. Did the Wild Weasel testing at Eglin, we would come back with the F-105 running five hundred knots at five hundred feet, checking out the Fort Walton beaches. Can't compare with the new fighters, but was still one of fastest if not the fasted aircraft at low levels. Thanks, Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Green with envy Correct URL
Date: Feb 14, 2005
There are some invalid characters in front of the URL. Try this one: www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv Let me know. Thanks Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Green with envy > > In a message dated 2/13/2005 10:46:45 AM Central Standard Time, > jtaddington(at)charter.net writes: > > I tried to pull it up several different ways and could not, have any idea > > what I missed or did wrong. > Me to......couldn't get it. > Rob > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 685 Possible for Sale
Date: Feb 14, 2005
>What is the tail number?> >What are the specs on the 685? What year and engines.> The owner is on a medical trip in Florida. When he gets back, I'll have a talk with him and try to get answers. Larry Wokral ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Green with envy Correct URL
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Thanks Nico, I finally got it open and it was great. Jim A -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of nico css Subject: Re: Commander-List: Green with envy Correct URL There are some invalid characters in front of the URL. Try this one: www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv Let me know. > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Subject: Re: Lighten up!
In a message dated 2/14/2005 7:59:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, radialpower(at)cox.net writes: Well, it's not for everyone Barry, I LOVE all airplanes. Just love Commander a little more!! Hope all is well with you ;-) jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Lighten up!
Date: Feb 14, 2005
Well, it's not for everyone Barry, I LOVE all airplanes. Just love Commander a little more!! Makes a difference who's paying the bills. The Commander does many things just right, but if I didn't have to pick up the tab, turbines especially turbines that shoot flames out the tail are a fun toy also. Don ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: fly by
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Was it anyone on this list that was going northbound about 1,000 ft, 30 east of the ORL VOR at about 1400L yesterday(2/14/05)? The Commander was White on top and Dark Blue on the bottom. bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: fly by
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Not guilty. I'm not allowed out on St Valentines Day! Barry C. (UK) !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Subject: Commander-List: fly by | | Was it anyone on this list that was going northbound about 1,000 ft, 30 east of the ORL VOR at about 1400L yesterday(2/14/05)? The Commander was White on top and Dark Blue on the bottom. | | bilbo | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Panel
Date: Feb 15, 2005
I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Subject: Re: Panel
Good luck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Bill, Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like all of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio stack in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and the remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, and if so where is it located? Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must go at the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem elsewhere. Moe N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com> Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Moe It is interesting that you prefer the engine instruments across the top of the panel while, if I remember correctly, it has been a custom practice of manufacturers to arrange the engine instruments vertically above the engine controls. What are your thoughts on that arrangement? Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > Bill, > > Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like all > of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio stack > in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and the > remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, and > if so where is it located? > > Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must go at > the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem > elsewhere. > > Moe > N680RR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, > Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane > while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking > for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, > accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, > but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Subject: Re: Panel
In a message dated 15-Feb-05 15:54:39 Pacific Standard Time, bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com writes: > I am looking for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is > visible, accessable, tuneable, etc. I love spending other people's money so I'm going to offer my free opinion (worth every penny). One of the natural and maybe intentional layouts of the Commander panel was to have the manifold pressure gauge above the throttles, the RPM gauge above the prop levers and the fuel flow gauge above the mixture levers. When I was a guest in many client's newly upgraded aircraft, I was distressed by how the engine group got spread out willy-nilly to accommodate some Buck Rogers box or another. I've nothing against Buck Rogers, but PLEASE keep the original ergonomics of engine gauges and controls. And if you can keep the hydraulic pressure gauge from being totally lost in some odd corner of the panel, do that, too. Obviously, I've seen a lot of panels created by Dr. Frankenstein ... Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jody Pillatzki" <Jpillatzki(at)702com.net>
Subject: Brakes
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Guys I am planning for my annual here in March on 411VV and I should upgrade my brakes. I know that Chris has just gotten one done and I need some information to plan for this. The kit that Cleveland wants to sell me is over 8000$ and I believe that I heard of an older kit that parts are still available for much less. Jody ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Nico, When I say at the top in a horizontal arrangement I mean at the very top, just below the panel sunshade, or whatever you call it. This places the tachometers and the manifold pressure just above the artificial horizon and the fuel flow, temp. and hyd. pressure gages all up on top. When things get really busy I just don't look at this panel as often. The entire radio stack then can be in the middle, above and below the engine controls (throttle, props, & mixture). This is of course a matter of personal preference, but if the engine instruments are above the engine controls, it doesn't seem possible to get all of the radios in one neat orderly stack. As mentioned before it is nice to have the important stuff up at the top, and my back up GPS is almost at the floor. Just like I prefer to have the pilots and co-pilots panel to be mirror images of each other, rather than having them the same. For some reason if my air speed indicator fails and it is on the top row to the left I seem more adept at looking at the top row to the extreme right on the co-pilots side to quickly find it. In both instances they are at the top next to the side wall. Probably the best thing to do is sit in the pilots seat and find the spots that are easiest to see. I, being rather tall from the waste up have a spot on the pilots side that is really hard to see (I have to duck big time). This is where the air-conditioning controls are at the bottom center. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > Moe > > It is interesting that you prefer the engine instruments across the top of > the panel while, if I remember correctly, it has been a custom practice of > manufacturers to arrange the engine instruments vertically above the engine > controls. What are your thoughts on that arrangement? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like > all > > of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio stack > > in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and the > > remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, and > > if so where is it located? > > > > Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must go > at > > the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem > > elsewhere. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com> > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, > > Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane > > while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking > > for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, > > accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, > > but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > > > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Subject: Re: fly by
In a message dated 2/15/2005 4:12:04 PM Central Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > Not guilty. I'm not allowed out on St Valentines Day! > > Barry C. (UK) !!! Hi, Barry I've found every photo of every plane I've owned from 1964 to now....except 401E! But it'll show up and I shall send it to you.... Rob Munro ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Panel
Date: Feb 15, 2005
Bill, This is a link to N501TC. The engine instruments are arranged under the glare shield in a logical order at the top of the panel. They fit because they are short in depth. This top panel held the radio heads for black box radios that have been replaced. Being a 500B, the panel is somewhat different from your 560. You may be able to arch the glare shield up some to make room. I like this arrangement because they are easy to glance at on takeoff roll. Engine health and airspeed seem to me to be most important during those brief moments. http://www.pioneerone.net/AeroCommander.htm That is my two cents. And yes, Wing Commander also makes cents. Tylor Hall Nico, When I say at the top in a horizontal arrangement I mean at the very top, just below the panel sunshade, or whatever you call it. This places the tachometers and the manifold pressure just above the artificial horizon and the fuel flow, temp. and hyd. pressure gages all up on top. When things get really busy I just don't look at this panel as often. The entire radio stack then can be in the middle, above and below the engine controls (throttle, props, & mixture). This is of course a matter of personal preference, but if the engine instruments are above the engine controls, it doesn't seem possible to get all of the radios in one neat orderly stack. As mentioned before it is nice to have the important stuff up at the top, and my back up GPS is almost at the floor. Just like I prefer to have the pilots and co-pilots panel to be mirror images of each other, rather than having them the same. For some reason if my air speed indicator fails and it is on the top row to the left I seem more adept at looking at the top row to the extreme right on the co-pilots side to quickly find it. In both instances they are at the top next to the side wall. Probably the best thing to do is sit in the pilots seat and find the spots that are easiest to see. I, being rather tall from the waste up have a spot on the pilots side that is really hard to see (I have to duck big time). This is where the air-conditioning controls are at the bottom center. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > Moe > > It is interesting that you prefer the engine instruments across the top of > the panel while, if I remember correctly, it has been a custom practice of > manufacturers to arrange the engine instruments vertically above the engine > controls. What are your thoughts on that arrangement? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like > all > > of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio stack > > in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and the > > remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, and > > if so where is it located? > > > > Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must go > at > > the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem > > elsewhere. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com> > > To: > > Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, > > Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane > > while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking > > for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, > > accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, > > but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > > > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 16, 2005
Commander Gordon, Over the years there have been a lot of really clever, well thought out, layouts. (the row of switches behind the control colum on the early Bonanza comes to mind) That doesn't mean that as panels have evolved that they have been changed. An example would be the "T" layout of the instruments, which didn't show up until pilots had been flying instruments for 30 years. I would prefer my engine instruments up across the top, too. Even at my advanced age I can still remember which lever makes which gauge move. Just a thought. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: <CloudCraft(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > In a message dated 15-Feb-05 15:54:39 Pacific Standard Time, > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com writes: > >> I am looking for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it >> is >> visible, accessable, tuneable, etc. > > I love spending other people's money so I'm going to offer my free opinion > (worth every penny). > > One of the natural and maybe intentional layouts of the Commander panel > was > to have the manifold pressure gauge above the throttles, the RPM gauge > above > the prop levers and the fuel flow gauge above the mixture levers. > > When I was a guest in many client's newly upgraded aircraft, I was > distressed > by how the engine group got spread out willy-nilly to accommodate some > Buck > Rogers box or another. > > I've nothing against Buck Rogers, but PLEASE keep the original ergonomics > of > engine gauges and controls. And if you can keep the hydraulic pressure > gauge > from being totally lost in some odd corner of the panel, do that, too. > > Obviously, I've seen a lot of panels created by Dr. Frankenstein ... > > Wing Commander Gordon > > Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 16, 2005
BK, PLEASE CALL GARY KROMER AT COMMANDER AERO, WE JUST COMPLETED NEW PANEL FOR 2001M AND HE HAS THE DIGITAL PICTURES AVAILABLE. YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: tylor.hall<mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:50 PM Subject: RE: Commander-List: Panel Bill, This is a link to N501TC. The engine instruments are arranged under the glare shield in a logical order at the top of the panel. They fit because they are short in depth. This top panel held the radio heads for black box radios that have been replaced. Being a 500B, the panel is somewhat different from your 560. You may be able to arch the glare shield up some to make room. I like this arrangement because they are easy to glance at on takeoff roll. Engine health and airspeed seem to me to be most important during those brief moments. http://www.pioneerone.net/AeroCommander.htm> That is my two cents. And yes, Wing Commander also makes cents. Tylor Hall Nico, When I say at the top in a horizontal arrangement I mean at the very top, just below the panel sunshade, or whatever you call it. This places the tachometers and the manifold pressure just above the artificial horizon and the fuel flow, temp. and hyd. pressure gages all up on top. When things get really busy I just don't look at this panel as often. The entire radio stack then can be in the middle, above and below the engine controls (throttle, props, & mixture). This is of course a matter of personal preference, but if the engine instruments are above the engine controls, it doesn't seem possible to get all of the radios in one neat orderly stack. As mentioned before it is nice to have the important stuff up at the top, and my back up GPS is almost at the floor. Just like I prefer to have the pilots and co-pilots panel to be mirror images of each other, rather than having them the same. For some reason if my air speed indicator fails and it is on the top row to the left I seem more adept at looking at the top row to the extreme right on the co-pilots side to quickly find it. In both instances they are at the top next to the side wall. Probably the best thing to do is sit in the pilots seat and find the spots that are easiest to see. I, being rather tall from the waste up have a spot on the pilots side that is really hard to see (I have to duck big time). This is where the air-conditioning controls are at the bottom center. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com<mailto:nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>> To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > Moe > > It is interesting that you prefer the engine instruments across the top of > the panel while, if I remember correctly, it has been a custom practice of > manufacturers to arrange the engine instruments vertically above the engine > controls. What are your thoughts on that arrangement? > > Nico > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > Bill, > > > > Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like > all > > of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio stack > > in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and the > > remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, and > > if so where is it located? > > > > Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must go > at > > the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem > > elsewhere. > > > > Moe > > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com<mailto:bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>> > > To: > > > Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, > > Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane > > while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am looking > > for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, > > accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new radios, > > but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > > > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Panel
Date: Feb 16, 2005
The "T" arrangement became a necessity when crews had to fly many different planes and it just made sense to have a standardized layout and instrument scan to safely increase crew portability. With private ownership, I accept that instrument layout is firstly dictated by practical reasons (you don't have to duck and dive to read critical instruments) and secondly by personal preference. Nobody else ought to fly one's plane unless carefully selected and approved. With part 135 equipment, it is another matter. That's my two-bits worth. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > BK, PLEASE CALL GARY KROMER AT COMMANDER AERO, WE JUST COMPLETED NEW PANEL FOR 2001M AND HE HAS THE DIGITAL PICTURES AVAILABLE. YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED. MASON > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tylor.hall<mailto:tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net> > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 10:50 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > Bill, > This is a link to N501TC. The engine instruments are arranged under the > glare shield in a logical order at the top of the panel. They fit because > they are short in depth. > This top panel held the radio heads for black box radios that have been > replaced. > Being a 500B, the panel is somewhat different from your 560. You may be > able to arch the glare shield up some to make room. > I like this arrangement because they are easy to glance at on takeoff roll. > Engine health and airspeed seem to me to be most important during those > brief moments. > http://www.pioneerone.net/AeroCommander.htm> > > That is my two cents. And yes, Wing Commander also makes cents. > Tylor Hall > > > Nico, > > When I say at the top in a horizontal arrangement I mean at the very top, > just below the panel sunshade, or whatever you call it. This places the > tachometers and the manifold pressure just above the artificial horizon and > the fuel flow, temp. and hyd. pressure gages all up on top. When things get > really busy I just don't look at this panel as often. The entire radio > stack then can be in the middle, above and below the engine controls > (throttle, props, & mixture). This is of course a matter of personal > preference, but if the engine instruments are above the engine controls, it > doesn't seem possible to get all of the radios in one neat orderly stack. As > mentioned before it is nice to have the important stuff up at the top, and > my back up GPS is almost at the floor. Just like I prefer to have the > pilots and co-pilots panel to be mirror images of each other, rather than > having them the same. For some reason if my air speed indicator fails and > it is on the top row to the left I seem more adept at looking at the top row > to the extreme right on the co-pilots side to quickly find it. In both > instances they are at the top next to the side wall. > > Probably the best thing to do is sit in the pilots seat and find the spots > that are easiest to see. I, being rather tall from the waste up have a spot > on the pilots side that is really hard to see (I have to duck big time). > This is where the air-conditioning controls are at the bottom center. > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > Moe > > > > It is interesting that you prefer the engine instruments across the top of > > the panel while, if I remember correctly, it has been a custom practice of > > manufacturers to arrange the engine instruments vertically above the > engine > > controls. What are your thoughts on that arrangement? > > > > Nico > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Do you have a sketch or a photo of what you have now? Personally I like > > all > > > of the engine instruments across the top of the panel, and the radio > stack > > > in the middle with the audio panel at the top, the MFD second down and > the > > > remainder in ascending order of importance. Do you have an autopilot, > and > > > if so where is it located? > > > > > > Having said this, the autopilot that Commander Aero is installing must > go > > at > > > the bottom of the panel on the pilots side, as depth was a problem > > > elsewhere. > > > > > > Moe > > > N680RR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Kirkwood" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Commander-List: Panel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a Garmin 430 to install in my 560E along with the KX170B, > > > Transponder, and audio panel. I have the entire panel out of the plane > > > while waiting for the 2nd engine to come back from the shop. I am > looking > > > for suggestions for where to put all this stuff so that it is visible, > > > accessable, tuneable, etc. I have been seeing chat here about new > radios, > > > but I haven't seen any layouts. Can someone help me? > > > > bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Fw: Pilots
Date: Feb 18, 2005
The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping his way along the aisle with a cane. Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the door closes, and the engines start up. The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that this is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves faster and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats realize they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport territory. As it begins to look as though the plane will plough into the water, panicked screams fill the cabin. At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure in the knowledge that the plane is in good hands. In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna die!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 20, 2005
Subject: TCAC Fly-in
HI KIDS......... Is anyone planning to attend he factory university event in Ft Lauderdale next month solo?? Want to share a room?? Let me know jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Date: Feb 23, 2005
Some of these have been around, but there are some new ones. Check out this web site: http://www.micom.net/oops/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: cleveland brakes on AC560
Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? Thanks, Dan --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
Date: Feb 24, 2005
Yes a field approval on N295V Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stewart" <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > > Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? > And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > > Thanks, Dan > > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cleveland brakes on AC560
Date: Feb 24, 2005
Dan; My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was done. Don > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM > Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > > Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > > Thanks, Dan > > > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: cleveland brakes on AC560
Hi Don, I understand there are older 4 piston clevelands and new heavier ones... Which model brakes do you have and how have they been for you? Dan Lowell Girod wrote: Dan; My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was done. Don > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Stewart > To: > Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM > Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > > Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > > Thanks, Dan > > > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: cleveland brakes on AC560
Date: Feb 24, 2005
Dan; I can't tell you what they are as the books are in the airplane, but I have had the Commander for about four and half years and the brakes look new, but I baby my equipment. The disks are about 9/16 to 5/8 inch thick to the best of my knowledge and have a few groves in them, not many. I have had great results with them, my only problem is about once a year I have to bleed one drop of air out of the left side, did that this week. I don't use them enough to keep them nice and shinny. Operate in an out of a four thousand foot strip most all the time and just coast to the end. Harry used to own my airplane, he could probably give you all the info you need on the brakes, that or maybe Sir Barry knows about the brakes on N2707B. Don > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Date: 2/24/2005 3:19:27 PM > Subject: RE: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > Hi Don, > > I understand there are older 4 piston clevelands and new heavier ones... > Which model brakes do you have and how have they been for you? > > Dan > > > Lowell Girod wrote: > > Dan; > > My 560E has Clevelands, think Harry might have been the one to do it, not > sure. If you need me to, I can get out the paper work and see how it was > done. > > Don > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Daniel Stewart > > To: > > Date: 2/24/2005 4:20:08 AM > > Subject: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > > > > > > > Has any 560 owners replaced there Goodyear Brakes with Cleveland brakes? > And if so, was it with an STC or field approval? > > > > Thanks, Dan > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > --------------------------------- > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 24, 2005
From: "Dan Dominguez" <dan(at)worldflight2000.com>
Subject: Avionics Panel 560
Bill- I'd like to throw my hat in the ring for your instrument panel. We redid the instrument panel in #559, a 560e in 2000 and while it offered a diffrent layout than most conventional pilots will like, the panel functions extremely well for both a single and dual crew both IFR and VFR scenarios quite nicely. I'm attaching a link to a picture that might describe it better. Also, I'd look at Bill Bowen's panel as well as N152K and the restored 500 that came out of Commander Aero just recently. The installs are clean, updated and very functional. http://www.worldflight2000.com/data/gallery_images/291_sunrise.gif Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: N8467C
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Hi all, I know I put out this request last year, but thought I'd try again. I have just received a photo of a Speed-Line nacelle Commander, marked as N8467C, which was taken at Fox Field, Lancaster, California on February 8th. This Commander has also been reported a few times over the last couple of years, but it is NOT a current FAA-assigned mark for a Commander. A search shows N8467C was reserved for "Safe Flight 21 Product Team/and-510/Robert D Smith", in Washington, DC. N8467C was the correct mark for 560F-1042-14, before being changed in January 2000, to N211SR. I have the current owner of this Commander as Antelope Valley Community College, of Lancaster, California. So, it seems that the original marks have been applied, but without the necessary FAA auhority. I had thought that the aircraft was perhaps not now airworthy and was in use as a maintenance training aid, but the photo seems to show a very nice-looking Commander indeed, with a Miller nose, forward cabin door and curtains, parked on a ramp. So, if anyone is based near Fox Field, or visits it during the course of their normal travels, I'd be most grateful if they could read the s/n plate to confirm whether or not it is the 560F mentioned above. Thanks! Very Best Regards, Barry C. (UK) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: N8467C
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Barry, If you do not get a positive reply or any help from one of the other members email me in about three weeks, and I will fly up and check it out. Am going to pick up N680RR late next week at Commander Aeor so flying up will not be a big deal. Regards, Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Subject: Commander-List: N8467C <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hi all, > > I know I put out this request last year, but thought I'd try again. > > I have just received a photo of a Speed-Line nacelle Commander, marked as > N8467C, which was taken at Fox Field, Lancaster, California on February 8th. > > This Commander has also been reported a few times over the last couple of years, > but it is NOT a current FAA-assigned mark for a Commander. A search shows N8467C > was reserved for "Safe Flight 21 Product Team/and-510/Robert D Smith", in > Washington, DC. > > N8467C was the correct mark for 560F-1042-14, before being changed in January > 2000, to N211SR. I have the current owner of this Commander as Antelope Valley > Community College, of Lancaster, California. So, it seems that the original > marks have been applied, but without the necessary FAA auhority. > > I had thought that the aircraft was perhaps not now airworthy and was in use as > a maintenance training aid, but the photo seems to show a very nice-looking > Commander indeed, with a Miller nose, forward cabin door and curtains, parked on > a ramp. > > So, if anyone is based near Fox Field, or visits it during the course of their > normal travels, I'd be most grateful if they could read the s/n plate to confirm > whether or not it is the 560F mentioned above. > > Thanks! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry C. (UK) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: cleveland brakes on AC560
Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? Also, any recommendations as to a supplier? Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
Dan The kit you need is #199-74 which is the single four pot caliper. It was replaced a couple of years ago by #199-80 which is the double caliper set up. WAY TOO MUCH BRAKES! I believe the STC numbers that you need to look at are SA 290 GL and SA 303 GL. I believe that JB can arrange for Cleveland to supply the correct paperwork for the kit. It would be best to speak to JB or Morris. Regards Richard VH-CAX ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 26, 2005
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
Folks, Richard is correct about the big dual caliper brakes, way too much. I have the same on the T-28 as was on ZK-DCF ( 500A) when I bought it. A lightweight foot is needed, much cheaper than flat spotted tires. But the big but is: What is now available Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 09:20 26/02/2005, you wrote: > >Dan > >The kit you need is #199-74 which is the single four pot caliper. It was >replaced a couple of years ago by #199-80 which is the double caliper set >up. WAY >TOO MUCH BRAKES! I believe the STC numbers that you need to look at are SA >290 GL and SA 303 GL. I believe that JB can arrange for Cleveland to >supply the >correct paperwork for the kit. It would be best to speak to JB or Morris. > >Regards >Richard >VH-CAX > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com writes: Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an IDENTICAL kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued (for reasons that are unclear). Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non members. Hope this helps. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 25, 2005
From: Daniel Stewart <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. Is a field approval my only option? Dan YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com writes: Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes used on the lighter Commanders? The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an IDENTICAL kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued (for reasons that are unclear). Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non members. Hope this helps. jb --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:53:55 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com writes: I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. Is a field approval my only option? Yes, you are correct. Sadly there is no approval for the 520/560 airframes. Harry Merritt in FL has had success with a field approval for this installation, but it may not be easy. Sorry. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Feb 25, 2005
Subject: Re: 680E/500 gross weights
Hi, all The airframes of the 680E and the 500 seem to be identical. The 500 has a gross weight of 6000 lbs while the 680 E is 7500 lbs.. Is this due to the increase in horsepower alone? Thanks, Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: 680E/500 gross weights
Date: Feb 26, 2005
yes ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: 680E/500 gross weights > > Hi, all > The airframes of the 680E and the 500 seem to be identical. The 500 has a > gross weight of 6000 lbs while the 680 E is 7500 lbs.. Is this due to the > increase in horsepower alone? > Thanks, Rob > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: N8467C
Date: Feb 26, 2005
Thanks Moe! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N8467C | | Barry, | | If you do not get a positive reply or any help from one of the other members | email me in about three weeks, and I will fly up and check it out. Am going | to pick up N680RR late next week at Commander Aeor so flying up will not be | a big deal. | | Regards, | | Moe | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | To: | Subject: Commander-List: N8467C | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | > | > Hi all, | > | > I know I put out this request last year, but thought I'd try again. | > | > I have just received a photo of a Speed-Line nacelle Commander, marked as | > N8467C, which was taken at Fox Field, Lancaster, California on February | 8th. | > | > This Commander has also been reported a few times over the last couple of | years, | > but it is NOT a current FAA-assigned mark for a Commander. A search shows | N8467C | > was reserved for "Safe Flight 21 Product Team/and-510/Robert D Smith", in | > Washington, DC. | > | > N8467C was the correct mark for 560F-1042-14, before being changed in | January | > 2000, to N211SR. I have the current owner of this Commander as Antelope | Valley | > Community College, of Lancaster, California. So, it seems that the | original | > marks have been applied, but without the necessary FAA auhority. | > | > I had thought that the aircraft was perhaps not now airworthy and was in | use as | > a maintenance training aid, but the photo seems to show a very | nice-looking | > Commander indeed, with a Miller nose, forward cabin door and curtains, | parked on | > a ramp. | > | > So, if anyone is based near Fox Field, or visits it during the course of | their | > normal travels, I'd be most grateful if they could read the s/n plate to | confirm | > whether or not it is the 560F mentioned above. | > | > Thanks! | > | > Very Best Regards, | > Barry C. (UK) | > | > | | | | | | | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Fw: Pilots
Date: Feb 27, 2005
Hey guys... We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys -------------- Original message -------------- > > > The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both > are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping his > way along the aisle with a cane. > > Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the > door closes, and the engines start up. > > The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that > this is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves > faster and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats > realize they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport > territory. As it begins to look as though the plane will plough into the water, > panicked screams fill the cabin. > > At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and > laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure in > the knowledge that the plane is in good hands. > > In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, > Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna > die!! > > > > > > Hey guys... We are still seaching for a nice old pistonAero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping his way along the aisle with a cane. Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the door closes, and the engines start up. The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that this is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves faster and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats realize they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport territory. As it begins to look as though the plane will plough into the water, panicked screams fill the cabin. At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure in the knowledge that the plane is in good hands. In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna die!! List Related Information ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Feb 28, 2005
Subject: avionics update
i just have a short break from my lap dancing job so i will try to make this a quick update. unfortunately that was not my plane over your house a couple of weeks ago. this small radio change now has a life and budget of its own. most of the commanders in south florida have that blue on bottom, white on top, but my plane was in the shop. to review, my kx 175 died and i had four choices. 1. give up flying, not much of a choice since i had another radio in the plane. 2. spend $10K to $15K for a garmin 530. for a guy who will not buy a vcr-tv combination, this having all radios in one box was a stretch. 3. just replace the comm and use the gps for nav backup. all this for about $1000. 4. replace everything and start from scratch. seemed like a lot of work for a lot of money. so the $1000 didn't seem out of reach and a local club needed a male dancer. i mean how long would it take a 60 year old guy to make $1000? i got one of those technicolor (rainbow, like jeff gordon's car) speedos and went to work. well, the first day i made $2 on an eight hour shift. i left work and got a hess gas staton application and i am waiting for their call. but i digress. the comm radio went right in the stack, but everyone kept telling me how nice a nav would look next to it. it wasn't that much more, just another radio. after i said alright, i find out i need a third box if i want glideslope. since the other radio is also old, might as well use this chance to redo things the way it should be done. Since the new nav will now run the hsi, glideslope is necessary. the new radio stack has to be removed and repainted because although the two radios seem to be the same as the kx 175 we found they cannot touch because of a heat problem. Since the panel is out, it needs a little touchup. did i mention that the paint code in the log book did not match the color of the panel? no problem, we will remove the gauges and repaint the whole thing. my daughter called and she wanted me to come up to orlando on saturday, have a short visit, take some kids for a ride, buy lunch and fly home. optomist that i am, i wrote you and said i would drop by after lunch and finally get to see your bird. i called the mechanic and told him to put back together and i would fly it saturday. the weather was crummy so i decided to fly to vfr on top and get a clearance when i got to orlando. everything seemed to be working when we left. when i called orlando, nothing happened. neither radio would get out nor would either one receive. river ranch now became my destination. there were no other aircraft at river ranch, but we got a golf cart and had a great lunch, gave my daughter the bad news and flew home. the old radio was driving the hsi and if i could have talked to anyone i could have shot an approach. fortunately the gps was working so it was not necessary to declare an emergency. since the comms did not work, i guess i would have to use the transponder. meanwhile, back in the shop the work goes on and i am now looking for an third outside job. i found a place where you just hop into the back of a truck and they take you to the job. you work all day and they pay "poco dinero" whatever that is. i assume it is a mexican meal. i am also learning spanish, but the first things they teach me i don't think i should repeat. so that is the progress to date. i note that airnav has four airports for groveland and none of them have a twin on the field. which one should use? till next trip, al hoffman Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: avionics update
Date: Feb 28, 2005
Thanks, Al. This is hysterical. It's a keeper. I guess, being about the same age, I will finally part with my speedos. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <alh1(at)juno.com> Subject: Commander-List: avionics update > > > i just have a short break from my lap dancing job so i will try to make this a quick update. unfortunately that was not my plane over your house a couple of weeks ago. this small radio change now has a life and budget of its own. > > most of the commanders in south florida have that blue on bottom, white on top, but my plane was in the shop. to review, my kx 175 died and i had four choices. 1. give up flying, not much of a choice since i had another radio in the plane. 2. spend $10K to $15K for a garmin 530. for a guy who will not buy a vcr-tv combination, this having all radios in one box was a stretch. 3. just replace the comm and use the gps for nav backup. all this for about $1000. 4. replace everything and start from scratch. seemed like a lot of work for a lot of money. > > so the $1000 didn't seem out of reach and a local club needed a male dancer. i mean how long would it take a 60 year old guy to make $1000? i got one of those technicolor (rainbow, like jeff gordon's car) speedos and went to work. > > well, the first day i made $2 on an eight hour shift. i left work and got a hess gas staton application and i am waiting for their call. but i digress. > > the comm radio went right in the stack, but everyone kept telling me how nice a nav would look next to it. it wasn't that much more, just another radio. after i said alright, i find out i need a third box if i want glideslope. since the other radio is also old, might as well use this chance to redo things the way it should be done. Since the new nav will now run the hsi, glideslope is necessary. the new radio stack has to be removed and repainted because although the two radios seem to be the same as the kx 175 we found they cannot touch because of a heat problem. Since the panel is out, it needs a little touchup. > > did i mention that the paint code in the log book did not match the color of the panel? no problem, we will remove the gauges and repaint the whole thing. > > my daughter called and she wanted me to come up to orlando on saturday, have a short visit, take some kids for a ride, buy lunch and fly home. optomist that i am, i wrote you and said i would drop by after lunch and finally get to see your bird. > > i called the mechanic and told him to put back together and i would fly it saturday. the weather was crummy so i decided to fly to vfr on top and get a clearance when i got to orlando. everything seemed to be working when we left. when i called orlando, nothing happened. neither radio would get out nor would either one receive. river ranch now became my destination. there were no other aircraft at river ranch, but we got a golf cart and had a great lunch, gave my daughter the bad news and flew home. > > the old radio was driving the hsi and if i could have talked to anyone i could have shot an approach. fortunately the gps was working so it was not necessary to declare an emergency. since the comms did not work, i guess i would have to use the transponder. > > meanwhile, back in the shop the work goes on and i am now looking for an third outside job. i found a place where you just hop into the back of a truck and they take you to the job. you work all day and they pay "poco dinero" whatever that is. i assume it is a mexican meal. i am also learning spanish, but the first things they teach me i don't think i should repeat. > > so that is the progress to date. i note that airnav has four airports for groveland and none of them have a twin on the field. which one should use? till next trip, al hoffman > > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "James Rodriguez Colom" <jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com>
Date: Mar 01, 2005
Subject: 500S crash in San Juan
Hi Gang, Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. Luckily, there were no casualties but the airplane was totaled. Fuel contamination is the likely cause. Regards, Jimmy N107VC CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This communication and any attachments hereto contain information that may be privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. The information is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the employee or agent entrusted with the responsibility of delivering the message to the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying or distribution of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error please delete or destroy all copies and notify the sender immediately. In addition, although precautions have been taken to ensure that the data included herein is free from viruses or other malicious content, we cannot assure that such is indeed the case and disclaim any responsibility attributable thereto. AVISO DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este documento, y cualquier anejo incluido, contienen informaci=F3n que podr=EDa considerarse privilegiada, confidencial y exenta de divulgaci=F3n bajo las leyes aplicables. La informaci=F3n es para el uso exclusivo del individuo o entidad a quien est=E1 dirigida. Si usted no es el destinatario, el empleado o el agente a quien se le confi=F3 la responsabilidad de hacer llegar el mensaje al destinatario, debe percatarse que la divulgaci=F3n, copia o distribuci=F3n de esta transmisi=F3n est=E1 estrictamente prohibida. Si ha recibido esta comunicaci=F3n por error, favor de borrarla o destruir todas las copias y notificar al remitente inmediatamente. Adem=E1s, aunque se hayan tomado precauciones para asegurar que los datos que aqu=ED se incluyen est=E1n libre de virus u otro contenido malintencionado, no podemos asegurar que as=ED sea y, por lo tanto, no nos hacemos responsables de cualquier da=F1o atribuible al caso. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 01, 2005
Spam t... In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another Commander is sad. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Spam t...
Date: Mar 01, 2005
This is one reason a separated fuel supply (one for each engine) is nice to have. Too bad. Tom F. ----- Original Message -----
From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com>
Spam t... > > > In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: > > Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. > Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. > > > Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another > Commander is sad. jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Spam t...
Date: Mar 01, 2005
If it comes from the same source(gas truck) I don't see much difference. bilbo ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Spam t... > > > This is one reason a separated fuel supply (one for each engine) is nice > to > have. > Too bad. > Tom F. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > Spam t... > > >> >> >> In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: >> >> Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. >> Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. >> >> >> Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another >> Commander is sad. jb >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Spam t...
Date: Mar 01, 2005
Or if they put Avtur into a piston Shrike. I wrote about my experience in this regard a while back. It happened because I was not personally supervising the refuelling. It could be a fatal mistake. I am not suggesting that is what brought N97VB down. Nico ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Spam t... > > If it comes from the same source(gas truck) I don't see much difference. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > Spam t... > > > > > > > > This is one reason a separated fuel supply (one for each engine) is nice > > to > > have. > > Too bad. > > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > > Spam t... > > > > > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >> jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: > >> > >> Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. > >> Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. > >> > >> > >> Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another > >> Commander is sad. jb > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Spam t...
Date: Mar 01, 2005
Leaky fuel cap? my CDN$.02 worth. Tom F. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Spam t... > > If it comes from the same source(gas truck) I don't see much difference. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > Spam t... > > > > > > > > This is one reason a separated fuel supply (one for each engine) is nice > > to > > have. > > Too bad. > > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > > Spam t... > > > > > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >> jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: > >> > >> Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. > >> Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. > >> > >> > >> Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another > >> Commander is sad. jb > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Spam t...
Date: Mar 01, 2005
N97VB was at my home airport Cincinnati Lunken KLUK the summer of 2003. She had both engines O/H by Signature Aircraft engines. I believe they had it painted during that time as well. As always I am thankful when no one gets injured. Everyone fly safe. -----Original Message-----
From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fisher Spam t... Leaky fuel cap? my CDN$.02 worth. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net> Spam t... > > If it comes from the same source(gas truck) I don't see much difference. > > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > Spam t... > > > > > > > > This is one reason a separated fuel supply (one for each engine) is nice > > to > > have. > > Too bad. > > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Commander-List: 500S crash in San Juan 0.00 > > Spam t... > > > > > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 3/1/2005 6:53:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > >> jamesrodriguez(at)bppr.com writes: > >> > >> Unfortunately, N97VB, Shrike s/n 3233 registered to Clair Aero in St. > >> Thomas, USVI, was lost yesterday in San Juan. > >> > >> > >> Wow, how sad!! Glad to hear no one was hurt, but the loss of another > >> Commander is sad. jb > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 01, 2005
From: todd(at)hindmarsh.us
Subject: Re: Piston commander for sale
I have a 1/4 ownership in a '58 680 that we would like to sell. I'm currently in Houston and the plane is in Provo, Utah. We're trying to locate the mechanic who has our log books. He left employment at the FBO where he was stationed and took the log books with him. As soon as we find the log books we're going to get the annual done and I'll be bringing it to Houston. At that time I will be putting it up for sell. If you are interested in a 680 let me know. You can see a picture of the plane online at: http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N6229B&distinct_entry=true Regards, Todd Hindmarsh N6229B > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [SPAM] Re: Commander-List: Fw: Pilots > From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net > Date: Sat, February 26, 2005 10:25 pm > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > > > Hey guys... > We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. > Thanxs guys > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > > > The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both > > are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping his > > way along the aisle with a cane. > > > > Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the > > door closes, and the engines start up. > > > > The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that > > this is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves > > faster and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats > > realize they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport > > territory. As it begins to look as though the plane will plough into the water, > > panicked screams fill the cabin. > > > > At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and > > laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure in > > the knowledge that the plane is in good hands. > > > > In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, > > Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna > > die!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys... > We are still seaching for a nice old pistonAero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. > Thanxs guys > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > -- Commander-List message posted by: "nico css" > > > The entrance opens, two men dressed in pilots' uniforms walk up the aisle. Both > are wearing dark glasses, one is using a guide dog, and the other is tapping his > way along the aisle with a cane. > > Nervous laughter spreads through the cabin, but the men enter the cockpit, the > door closes, and the engines start up. > > The passengers begin glancing nervously around, searching for some sign that > this is just a little practical joke. None is forthcoming. The plane moves > faster and faster down the runway, and the people sitting in the window seats > realize they're headed straight for the water at the edge of the airport > territory. As it begins > to look as though the plane will plough into the water, > panicked screams fill the cabin. > > At that moment, the plane lifts smoothly into the air. The passengers relax and > laugh a little sheepishly, and soon all retreat into their magazines, secure in > the knowledge that the plane is in good hands. > > In the cockpit, one of the blind pilots turns to the other and says, "You know, > Frank, one of these days, they're gonna scream too late and we're all gonna > die!! > > > List Related Information > > > LOCKQUOTE> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: AAInstalls(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 03, 2005
Subject: Re: N8467C
Where does Barry live in the UK. My travels take me there off and on. I'll be at BHX on March 08. Thanks, Al Auger (AAInstalls@aol). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: N8467C
Date: Mar 04, 2005
Hi Al, I live in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Best Regards, Barry C. (UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: <AAInstalls(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: N8467C | | Where does Barry live in the UK. My travels take me there off and on. I'll | be at BHX on March 08. Thanks, Al Auger (AAInstalls@aol). | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 05, 2005
Subject: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Barry, I found one of my photo's of 401E. Its a straight on from the front taken on 10-2-1981. I don't have a scanner, but my partner does and we'll get it to you if you can send your email address........ Rob Munro ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 05, 2005
Hi Rob, Grateful thanks. My Email address is: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob | | Barry, | I found one of my photo's of 401E. Its a straight on from the front taken on | 10-2-1981. | I don't have a scanner, but my partner does and we'll get it to you if you | can send your email address........ | Rob Munro | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 05, 2005
Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... -------------- Original message -------------- > > > Hi Rob, > > Grateful thanks. > > My Email address is: > > barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk > > Kindest Regards, > Barry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob > > > | > | Barry, > | I found one of my photo's of 401E. Its a straight on from the front taken on > | 10-2-1981. > | I don't have a scanner, but my partner does and we'll get it to you if you > | can send your email address........ > | Rob Munro > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | -- > | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > | > | > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > > > Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "Barry Collman" <BARRY.COLLMAN@AIR-BRITAIN.CO.UK> Hi Rob, Grateful thanks. My Email address is: barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRAMM52(at)CS.COM> To: Subject: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob | -- Commander-List message posted by: RRamm52(at)cs.com | | Barry, | I found one of my photo's of 401E. Its a straight on from the front taken on | 10-2-1981. | I don't have a scanner, but my partner does and we'll get it to you if you | can send your email address....... . | Rob Munro | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. http://www.matronics.com/subscription ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 560 on controller
Date: Mar 05, 2005
A 560 just came up on www.Controller.com Check it out. SN 221, N1776X. Barry C will have a lot of information on it. Tylor Hall Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Hi gang! Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other Commanders? Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I thought I'd look at compiling a little collection! Very Best Regards, Barry C. (UK) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Hi Sir Barry, Check this site out. There is a Commander making a low pass. http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm Mike Commander NW LTD ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
I have already engaged a camera person to video the hand over and walk around of my (new to me) 680FLP (Mr.RPM) which might happen this weekend. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Subject: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hi gang! > > Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other > Commanders? > > Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I thought > I'd look at compiling a little collection! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry C. (UK) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Barry, I have some shots of my plane that were taken from a P-51 if I can figure out how to send it. I have it on DVD and if nothing else works I will make a copy and send that to you. Jim Addington N444BD 500A -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi gang! Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other Commanders? Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I thought I'd look at compiling a little collection! Very Best Regards, Barry C. (UK) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Thanks Mike, I'll check it out. Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike floyd" <floydgm(at)hotmail.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Hi Sir Barry, | Check this site out. There is a Commander making a low pass. | | http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm | | Mike | Commander NW LTD | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Thanks Jim, that sounds great! If I understand what I've briefly read from various items on my new PC, a DVD can be made into a file? I'm sure somebody out there can tell us! Thanks! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | I have some shots of my plane that were taken from a P-51 if I can figure | out how to send it. I have it on DVD and if nothing else works I will make a | copy and send that to you. | | Jim Addington | N444BD 500A | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi gang! | | Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other | Commanders? | | Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I | thought | I'd look at compiling a little collection! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry C. (UK) | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Barry; I have two that my son took of N2707B, it was taken at Peachstate airport in Georgia, where I had my first annual done, I was picking up the airplane to take it back home. The first is of the takeoff, then I did a flyby. Sorry, it has the old paint job, but with the sun, you can't tell much about the paint, he was shooting into the sun. Hope you enjoy them as much as I did flying them. Don > [Original Message] > From: Barry Collman <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > To: > Date: 3/7/2005 1:44:33 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Video clips > <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> > > Hi gang! > > Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other > Commanders? > > Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I thought > I'd look at compiling a little collection! > > Very Best Regards, > Barry C. (UK) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
I have to get out for about two or three hours and will give it a try. I think the file might still be in my computer. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Thanks Jim, that sounds great! If I understand what I've briefly read from various items on my new PC, a DVD can be made into a file? I'm sure somebody out there can tell us! Thanks! Barry C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | I have some shots of my plane that were taken from a P-51 if I can figure | out how to send it. I have it on DVD and if nothing else works I will make a | copy and send that to you. | | Jim Addington | N444BD 500A | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi gang! | | Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other | Commanders? | | Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I | thought | I'd look at compiling a little collection! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry C. (UK) | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Hi Jim, As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot cope with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with Broadband very soon, as it's in hand. So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you could send any files at that time? Apologies for messing you about! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | I have to get out for about two or three hours and will give it a try. I | think the file might still be in my computer. | | Jim Addington | N444BD | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Thanks Jim, that sounds great! | | If I understand what I've briefly read from various items on my new PC, a | DVD | can be made into a file? | | I'm sure somebody out there can tell us! | | Thanks! | Barry C. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> | To: | Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | | || || Barry, || || I have some shots of my plane that were taken from a P-51 if I can figure || out how to send it. I have it on DVD and if nothing else works I will make | a || copy and send that to you. || || Jim Addington || N444BD 500A || || -----Original Message----- || From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com || [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry || Collman || To: commander-list(at)matronics.com || Subject: Commander-List: Video clips || || || <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> || || Hi gang! || || Does anybody have any digital video clips of their, or indeed any other || Commanders? || || Having invested in a new PC, with many more features than my old one, I || thought || I'd look at compiling a little collection! || || Very Best Regards, || Barry C. (UK) || || || || || || || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Barry, Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to send it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Jim, As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot cope with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with Broadband very soon, as it's in hand. So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you could send any files at that time? Apologies for messing you about! Very Best Regards, Barry -- | ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Subject: Re: Video clips
Barry, I just sent you a large file of a takeoff on board our 500. When you get your broad band going, I'll send a couple nice clips......... Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: rramm52(at)cs.com
Subject: Rob and steve commander on takeoff
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Hope this comes through This e-mail contains a movie file which can be played on Windows and Macintosh computers with the Apple QuickTime Player. To obtain a free copy of the Apple QuickTime Player, visit http://www.apple.com and select the QuickTime tab. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Rob and steve commander on takeoff
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Attachments can not be sent through this site, you will have to send it direct or put it on this site so that all members may download it. I don't know how to put files on this site but I'm know there is a way. It's too bad because this restriction almost stops the photo exchange between members. Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: <rramm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Commander-List: Rob and steve commander on takeoff > > Hope this comes through > This e-mail contains a movie file which can be played on Windows and Macintosh computers with the Apple QuickTime Player. To obtain a free copy of the Apple QuickTime Player, visit http://www.apple.com and select the QuickTime tab. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 07, 2005
Subject: Re: Rob and steve commander on takeoff
I did send it directly to Barry, but I believe he's still on dial up. He'll soon have broad band and can receive a lot larger files.... Rob Munro ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Thanks Jim! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to send | it. | | Jim | | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot | cope | with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with | Broadband | very soon, as it's in hand. | | So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you | could | send any files at that time? | | Apologies for messing you about! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | -- || | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Hi Rob, My old PC was on dial-up and cannot cope with large files. My new PC is also on dial-up, but I have a problem in that the line keeps disconnecting itself after a couple of minutes. Arrangements are already in hand for Broadband to be installed. So, could I let you know when that is up & running and ask you to re-send the file at that time? I'm so sorry to be an absolute nuisance, and hope this isn't going to inconvemience you too much. With Apologies and Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | I just sent you a large file of a takeoff on board our 500. When you get your | broad band going, I'll send a couple nice clips......... | Rob | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Century Autopilot
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Fellow Commander Drivers, Commander Aero in Dayton just finished installing the Century 2000 Autopilot in my 680F(p). This is the second short, flat nacelle Commander that this system has been installed in. Mason's plane was the first. I hope that this doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial, but this thing is great. Have flown it about nine hours (after "hand flying" the plane for about 600 hours) with the autopilot and it sure is sweet. The coupled approach feature is particularly nice. Thanks, Mason, for being our research and development guy, and thanks to Tim, Gary, and the whole gang at Commander Aero for a great job. If anyone is still using an M4, I have the complete manual, lots of servos, pilots operating Manuel, computers, and servo test rigs, that I would sell a deserving sole extremely cheap. Moe Mills N680RR ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Century Autopilot
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Moe; Do you know what is available for the bathtub engine commanders, I have a 560E and a new A/P is on the list, something that will couple to the GPS a minimum, a coupled approach feature would be nice indeed. Would make me think I was flying heavy iron again. Don > [Original Message] > From: Moe <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Date: 3/8/2005 1:38:35 PM > Subject: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > > Fellow Commander Drivers, > > Commander Aero in Dayton just finished installing the Century 2000 Autopilot in my 680F(p). This is the second short, flat nacelle Commander that this system has been installed in. Mason's plane was the first. I hope that this doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial, but this thing is great. Have flown it about nine hours (after "hand flying" the plane for about 600 hours) with the autopilot and it sure is sweet. The coupled approach feature is particularly nice. > > Thanks, Mason, for being our research and development guy, and thanks to Tim, Gary, and the whole gang at Commander Aero for a great job. > > If anyone is still using an M4, I have the complete manual, lots of servos, pilots operating Manuel, computers, and servo test rigs, that I would sell a deserving sole extremely cheap. > > Moe Mills > N680RR > > > -- > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Century Autopilot
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Is Century approved for 680FLP with Mr.RPM? Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > Fellow Commander Drivers, > > Commander Aero in Dayton just finished installing the Century 2000 Autopilot in my 680F(p). This is the second short, flat nacelle Commander that this system has been installed in. Mason's plane was the first. I hope that this doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial, but this thing is great. Have flown it about nine hours (after "hand flying" the plane for about 600 hours) with the autopilot and it sure is sweet. The coupled approach feature is particularly nice. > > Thanks, Mason, for being our research and development guy, and thanks to Tim, Gary, and the whole gang at Commander Aero for a great job. > > If anyone is still using an M4, I have the complete manual, lots of servos, pilots operating Manuel, computers, and servo test rigs, that I would sell a deserving sole extremely cheap. > > Moe Mills > N680RR > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phil Stubbs" <br549phil(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: gyro
Date: Mar 08, 2005
If anyone has or knows of a source for a Lear L2 "974R" autopilot horizon I sure would be apppreciative. (It is an AN5736-1 with pitch and roll pickoffs added.) Phil Phil Stubbs br549phil(at)mindspring.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Kirkwood" <bkirkwoo(at)elp.rr.com>
Subject: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Where would you send a pressure carburetor to be overhauled? This is for N4618E, 560E, with GO480's. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Century Autopilot
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Don, As I understand it, this STC is good for the flat nacelle Commanders only. Maybe Jimbo will weigh in on what is available, as he seems to be the resident expert on the bathtub engine Commanders. Although this autopilot does not have the GPSS feature, it tracks the gps needle (when the gps is connected to the HSI) very well. Regards, Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Girod" <dongirod(at)earthlink.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > Moe; > > Do you know what is available for the bathtub engine commanders, I have a > 560E and a new A/P is on the list, something that will couple to the GPS a > minimum, a coupled approach feature would be nice indeed. Would make me > think I was flying heavy iron again. > > Don > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Moe <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > > To: > > Date: 3/8/2005 1:38:35 PM > > Subject: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > > > > > Fellow Commander Drivers, > > > > Commander Aero in Dayton just finished installing the Century 2000 > Autopilot in my 680F(p). This is the second short, flat nacelle Commander > that this system has been installed in. Mason's plane was the first. I > hope that this doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial, but this thing is > great. Have flown it about nine hours (after "hand flying" the plane for > about 600 hours) with the autopilot and it sure is sweet. The coupled > approach feature is particularly nice. > > > > Thanks, Mason, for being our research and development guy, and thanks to > Tim, Gary, and the whole gang at Commander Aero for a great job. > > > > If anyone is still using an M4, I have the complete manual, lots of > servos, pilots operating Manuel, computers, and servo test rigs, that I > would sell a deserving sole extremely cheap. > > > > Moe Mills > > N680RR > > > > > > -- > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Century Autopilot
Date: Mar 08, 2005
Tom, Best contact Tim Bench at Avionics@commander-aero.com. I know that the system is approved for the 680FLP, but I have no idea if the Mr. RPM conversion changes things. Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > Is Century approved for 680FLP with Mr.RPM? > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> > To: > Subject: Commander-List: Century Autopilot > > > > > > Fellow Commander Drivers, > > > > Commander Aero in Dayton just finished installing the Century 2000 > Autopilot in my 680F(p). This is the second short, flat nacelle Commander > that this system has been installed in. Mason's plane was the first. I hope > that this doesn't sound like a cheesy commercial, but this thing is great. > Have flown it about nine hours (after "hand flying" the plane for about 600 > hours) with the autopilot and it sure is sweet. The coupled approach feature > is particularly nice. > > > > Thanks, Mason, for being our research and development guy, and thanks to > Tim, Gary, and the whole gang at Commander Aero for a great job. > > > > If anyone is still using an M4, I have the complete manual, lots of > servos, pilots operating Manuel, computers, and servo test rigs, that I > would sell a deserving sole extremely cheap. > > > > Moe Mills > > N680RR > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2005
Subject: Re: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
Hi Bill, I recently overhauled my PS 7 pressure carbs. The only place you can get the kits is from Precsion Engines. They also have an overhaul service. The interesting thing is that the kits cost more than the overhaul. The problem is that I personally have very little faith in their work. We have had a number of carbs done by them that have needed to be set up properly. It is a time consuming process that few know how to do these days. I cant remember the the name of a carb shop that I spoke to in the states, I think Chris or Morris might know. Take a good look at your wallet as it will soon be empty. Regards Richard VH-CAX ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 09, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
Richard is definitly right. It takes a very special (and antique) flow bench to properly set those guys up. I highly recomend "Mikes Aircraft Fuel Metering" in Tulsa OK. He's the pressure carb guru. Probably touched the carbs on just about every Commander around at one time or another. Chris RnJThompson(at)aol.com wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > I recently overhauled my PS 7 pressure carbs. The only place you can get the > kits is from Precsion Engines. They also have an overhaul service. The > interesting thing is that the kits cost more than the overhaul. The problem is that > I personally have very little faith in their work. We have had a number of > carbs done by them that have needed to be set up properly. It is a time consuming > process that few know how to do these days. I cant remember the the name of a > carb shop that I spoke to in the states, I think Chris or Morris might know. > > Take a good look at your wallet as it will soon be empty. > > Regards > Richard ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RnJThompson(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2005
Subject: Re: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
Chris, You have a better memory than I, Mike is the man ( a gent to boot) Richard ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 09, 2005
Subject: Re: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
HI CHRIS. I ran into your brother (you never told me you had a brother) in lovely Arkansas. I was delivering a Super Cub on floats and just stopped fore fuel It is truly a small world!! Hope all is well. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 10, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Pressure Carburetor Overhaul
YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > I ran into your brother (you never told me you had a brother) in > lovely Arkansas. Howdy JB. Yup, little bro is a pilot too. He actually has a lot of commander time. Flew for John Towner for several years. What did you think of his current ride? He really enjoys flying that Piaggio and I guess it's a real screamer. T'ween you and me though, I can't see paying THAT many million$$$ for something that looks like a catfish :-) cheers Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net>
Subject: Twin Commander Aircraft Company Looking for a new President....Anyone
Interested?
Date: Mar 10, 2005
Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC is seeking a new, dynamic company leader to succeed the retiring president. This CEO position reports to a corporate Executive Vice President and has full P&L responsibility for the company. In addition to leading a dedicated in-house engineering, parts, customer service, and support staff in Arlington, Washington, the President manages contractual relationships with a key group of 22 independent factory-authorized service centers worldwide. The ideal candidate must have a senior-level management background in general aviation, experience with the Twin Commander Aircraft product line, and the ability and enthusiasm to take this legendary aircraft product line to new levels of performance and growth. Contact: J. Stevens, HR Dept. Precision Aerospace Services, LLC <http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/precision/contact/avflash> Click here to send an e-mail (E-mails only; no phone calls.) George J. Yundt III Dassault Falcon Jet Corp. 15040 South Ravinia Ave., Suite 42 Orland Park, IL 60462-3173 Office: 708-349-2121 Cell: 312-371-7551 Fax: 708-349-4747 E-Mail: george.yundt(at)falconjet.com Personal E-Mail: Yundt(at)speakeasy.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Twin Commander Aircraft Company Looking for a new
President....Anyone Interested?
Date: Mar 10, 2005
What,,,,,,,, and give up aviation? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "George J. Yundt III" <yundt(at)speakeasy.net> Subject: Commander-List: Twin Commander Aircraft Company Looking for a new President....Anyone Interested? > > > > Twin Commander Aircraft, LLC is seeking a new, dynamic company leader to > succeed the retiring president. This CEO position reports to a corporate > Executive Vice President and has full P&L responsibility for the company. > In > addition to leading a dedicated in-house engineering, parts, customer > service, and support staff in Arlington, Washington, the President manages > contractual relationships with a key group of 22 independent > factory-authorized service centers worldwide. The ideal candidate must > have > a senior-level management background in general aviation, experience with > the Twin Commander Aircraft product line, and the ability and enthusiasm > to > take this legendary aircraft product line to new levels of performance and > growth. Contact: > J. Stevens, HR Dept. > Precision Aerospace Services, LLC > <http://www.avweb.com/sponsors/precision/contact/avflash> Click here to > send an e-mail > (E-mails only; no phone calls.) > > > George J. Yundt III > > Dassault Falcon Jet Corp. > > 15040 South Ravinia Ave., Suite 42 > > Orland Park, IL 60462-3173 > > > Office: 708-349-2121 > > Cell: 312-371-7551 > > Fax: 708-349-4747 > > E-Mail: george.yundt(at)falconjet.com > > Personal E-Mail: Yundt(at)speakeasy.net > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 10, 2005
Subject: Re: Twin Commander Aircraft Company Looking for a new
Preside... I nominate you, George! Wing Commander Gordon Life is not simple anywhere. Probably less so elsewhere. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin Coons" <kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net>
Subject: North Atlantic Crossing Training Class
Date: Mar 10, 2005
I am happy to report that we are leading a very small contingent of Twin Commanders across the North Atlantic to Europe this summer. The plan is to depart on or about July 15 and return on July 29. We have a 500S, a 680FP, & a 560F in the group. At the request of the participants we have closed to trip to any additional aircraft. We are conducting a one day North Atlantic Crossing Class on Saturday May 14, 2005. Ed Carlson, who taught me to fly the North Atlantic will teach the course. Ed has crossed around 300 times in GA aircraft you can check out his website at www.Flythepond.com If anyone is interested in taking the course to learn the do's and don'ts of crossing the North Atlantic we have room for a few more students. This would help you determine if you'd be willing to make the trip at a future time. Ed charges $395.00 per person for the course. Please keep in mind that this is an invitation to attend the class. This is not an invitation to cross as we have closed this crossing to any additional aircraft. If you'd like to join us send me an email and I will provide you with the details. We hope to have some great video of the trip to share at the TCFG fly-in in September. Thank You, Kevin ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: North Atlantic Crossing Training Class
Date: Mar 10, 2005
From: "Alan Kucheck" <Alan.Kucheck(at)borland.com>
Kevin: Congratulations! Great news. Can you give me a general idea of your availability to return to Southern Cal? Planning any trips out? I'm on the road the next 3 weeks, but after that my schedule should open up. Hope things are going well, ak -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Coons [mailto:kevincoons(at)cavucompanies.net] Subject: Commander-List: North Atlantic Crossing Training Class I am happy to report that we are leading a very small contingent of Twin Commanders across the North Atlantic to Europe this summer. The plan is to depart on or about July 15 and return on July 29. We have a 500S, a 680FP, & a 560F in the group. At the request of the participants we have closed to trip to any additional aircraft. We are conducting a one day North Atlantic Crossing Class on Saturday May 14, 2005. Ed Carlson, who taught me to fly the North Atlantic will teach the course. Ed has crossed around 300 times in GA aircraft you can check out his website at www.Flythepond.com If anyone is interested in taking the course to learn the do's and don'ts of crossing the North Atlantic we have room for a few more students. This would help you determine if you'd be willing to make the trip at a future time. Ed charges $395.00 per person for the course. Please keep in mind that this is an invitation to attend the class. This is not an invitation to cross as we have closed this crossing to any additional aircraft. If you'd like to join us send me an email and I will provide you with the details. We hope to have some great video of the trip to share at the TCFG fly-in in September. Thank You, Kevin ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:49:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes: Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... What model?? Price range?? A very nice 560E has just come on the market, not cheap, but worth the money. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Hi Jim, We are looking for a nice old piston commander...price range of around $50k Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- > > > In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:49:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes: > > > Hey guys, > We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of > one > available for sale please let us know. > Thanxs guys... > > > What model?? Price range?? A very nice 560E has just come on the market, > not cheap, but worth the money. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG > > > > > > Hi Jim, We are looking for a nice old piston commander...price range of around $50k Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:49:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes: Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... What model?? Price range?? A very nice 560E has just come on the market, not cheap, but worth the money. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ds or any other _- = Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Brent, No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. Jim Crunkleton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Brent, Sound familiar? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob > > > Brent, > No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They > may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that > will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. > Jim Crunkleton > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Date: Mar 12, 2005
This is a pretty neat video I think. http://airpowerstock.moorecastsites.com/upload_user/P47.wmv bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "tylor.hall" <tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
COMMANDER 680F, 1961, S/N: 680F-1140-78, YV271P, 3000 TT, IFR, FOR SALE 1961 AEROCOMMANDER 680F, 1980 Paint, 1961 Int, 7 Seats, For Sale - $50,000 Does that sound Great? THE AIRPLANE IS HANGARED, GOOD CONDITION AIRCRAFT, PRICED TO SELL! ( one of the engines is complete, with all the accesories, but the simmonds fuel injection is missing, the other engine needs all the cylinders and the fuel injection unit as well) Oh, it is missing a few things. How much is a 0-SMOH engine cost? Call Central Cylinder. Se able espanol? The aircraft is in Venezuela. The good news is there is a member of this group that owns a 680F (one owner since new) in Venezuela, Ricardo Otaola, and he should know about this aircraft. It may be a good buy. How much would it take to get it home? Details are on www.controller.com. I am just asking lots of questions. Tylor Hall Hi Jim, We are looking for a nice old piston commander...price range of around $50k Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- > > > In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:49:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes: > > > Hey guys, > We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of > one > available for sale please let us know. > Thanxs guys... > > > What model?? Price range?? A very nice 560E has just come on the market, > not cheap, but worth the money. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG > > Hi Jim, We are looking for a nice old piston commander...price range of around $50k Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com In a message dated 3/5/2005 10:49:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net writes: Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... What model?? Price range?? A very nice 560E has just come on the market, not cheap, but worth the money. Jim Metzger, Director, TCFG ds or any other _- = Contributions: http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Bilbo, That was a really good video. I have an uncle that flew the Jug and said he would rather have a P-47 than a P-51 at altitude. The P-47 had that big turbo charger and would just keep going. If I remember right he had one over 40,000 feet. He flew the P-51 in Korea. I have wanted to build a 3/4 scale for years using an R-985, a Stearman frame, and wood or fiberglass wings. Thanks Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Bow Subject: Commander-List: This is a pretty neat video I think. http://airpowerstock.moorecastsites.com/upload_user/P47.wmv bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Jim Crunkleton, I did find one I think is nice...it is N411VV an old 520, tell me what your thoughts are on N411VV Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- > > Brent, > No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They > may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that > will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. > Jim Crunkleton > > > > > > Jim Crunkleton, I did find one I think is nice...it is N411VV an old 520, tell me what your thoughts are on N411VV Thank You, Brent -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton" Brent, No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. Jim Crunkleton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... -------------- Original message -------------- > > Brent, > Sound familiar? > bilbo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Crunkleton" > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob > > > > > > > > Brent, > > No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They > > may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that > > will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. > > Jim Crunkleton > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey guys, We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of one available for sale please let us know. Thanxs guys... -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "Bill Bow" Brent, Sound familiar? bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Crunkleton" <CRUNK12(at)BELLSOUTH.NET> To: Subject: Re: Commander-List: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob -- Commander-List message posted by: "Jim Crunkleton" Brent, No offense, but there are no nice, old Commanders out there for $50K. They may be old, but they won't be "Nice". For $50k you can get a project that will require about $50K to get reasonably airworthy. Jim Crunkleton & ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Crunkleton" <crunk12(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Brent, I think N411VV is a great old airplane. I dumped $20K into it myself! Jody has done a lot with it also. I also think it has the finest panel and glareshield of any 520 flying. (I built it myself.) I am also of the opinion that it is the most fun to fly twin EVER! Jim Crunkleton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Without prop AD's and spar C/W....60,000? Or needs more 100,000? Rob M In a message dated 3/12/2005 9:18:50 AM Central Standard Time, tylor.hall(at)sbcglobal.net writes: > > COMMANDER 680F, 1961, S/N: 680F-1140-78, YV271P, 3000 TT, IFR, FOR SALE 1961 > AEROCOMMANDER 680F, 1980 Paint, 1961 Int, 7 Seats, For Sale - $50,000 > Does that sound Great? > > THE AIRPLANE IS HANGARED, GOOD CONDITION AIRCRAFT, PRICED TO SELL! ( one of > the engines is complete, with all the accesories, but the simmonds fuel > injection is missing, the other engine needs all the cylinders and the fuel > injection unit as well) > Oh, it is missing a few things. > > How much is a 0-SMOH engine cost? Call Central Cylinder. > > Se able espanol? The aircraft is in Venezuela. The good news is there is a > member of this group that owns a 680F (one owner since new) in Venezuela, > Ricardo Otaola, and he should know about this aircraft. It may be a good > buy. > > How much would it take to get it home? > > Details are on www.controller.com. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Jim, Does anyone have any info or photo's of her? Thanks Rob Munro In a message dated 3/12/2005 6:47:44 PM Central Standard Time, crunk12(at)bellsouth.net writes: > Brent, > I think N411VV is a great old airplane. I dumped $20K into it myself! Jody > has done a lot with it also. > I also think it has the finest panel and glareshield of any 520 flying. (I > built it myself.) > I am also of the opinion that it is the most fun to fly twin EVER! > Jim Crunkleton ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N560WM(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 12, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
There is a 560 for $49,000 in the Controller. But you get what you pay for. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: P-47's
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Thanks, Bilbo! I am and will always remain indebted to those who sacrificed so much for all of us and those under oppressive rule Fun to watch....tho' there's nothing I hate more as a warbird aficionado than hearing bogus and wimpy dubbed engine noises coming from truly manly and powerful engines (R2800's)!!!! It's akin to putting O-320 sound to GSO 480's!!!! Cheers, Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 13, 2005
> I have wanted to build a 3/4 scale > for years using an R-985, a Stearman frame, and wood or fiberglass > wings. > Thanks > Jim Addington > N444BD Jim, are you crazy? Why do that when you can simply go out and buy an original for a mere $2,000,000????? :)- Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my car the other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. Jim A -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Re: > I have wanted to build a 3/4 scale > for years using an R-985, a Stearman frame, and wood or fiberglass > wings. > Thanks > Jim Addington > N444BD Jim, are you crazy? Why do that when you can simply go out and buy an original for a mere $2,000,000????? :)- Barry ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 ali cruiser/Barry C from Rob
skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net wrote: > > Hey guys, > We are still seaching for a nice old piston Aero Commander...anyone know of > one available for sale please let us know. I love to see classic aircraft purchased and restored by a caring owner, but.... I wrote this about ten years ago and I believe it's still valid. (you might want to just about double all dollar values to get a better idea of todays prices) http://www.aerocommander.com/Documents/things.html By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it. Good luck! Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Chris, I preach this to each bargain hunter I talk to. Buy that million dollar commander for 125,000 thats been well kept, not the bargain for 45/50K and play catch up......... Buy the very best you can afford to begin with. And then be well educated on the mechanics of the aircraft and involved in owner maintenance as much as possible. Regards, Rob Munro AC50 In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:07:55 PM Central Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: > I love to see classic aircraft purchased and restored by a caring owner, > but.... I wrote this about ten years ago and I believe it's still valid. > (you might want to just about double all dollar values to get a better > idea of todays prices) > http://www.aerocommander.com/Documents/things.html > > By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to > get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful > airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it. > > Good luck! > Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob
In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:37:15 PM Central Standard Time, RRamm52(at)cs.com writes: > >By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to > >get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful > >airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it. Sorry, Chris/All I really did not mean to be so negative about a cheaper aircraft[ I love commanders as much as any of us], but these superior twins can overwhelm an unwary buyer. I agree that a labor of love by a person that knows commanders is a thing of beauty and one more flying is great, but pity the poor guy that wants to fix up a poorly maintained one that knows little about it. Best, Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Aircraft conditions
RRamm52(at)cs.com wrote: > I preach this to each bargain hunter I talk to. Buy that million dollar > commander for 125,000 thats been well kept, not the bargain for 45/50K and play > catch up......... > Rob Munro AC50 Thanks Rob. Good to hear from another "realist" on the subject. The reality is that most light twins are 40-ish years old. Most have had not much more than the minimum maintanance required to keep them flying. The majority of these airplanes require a lot more work than the typical buyer is able to deal with, so the downward trend in condition continues. I purchased a pretty sweet little Piper Aztec about three years ago. It was in good, flyable condition, but I knew it had the same issues. We did a very VERY detailed annual, and I flew it and enjoyed it for a year. After deciding that I liked it and wanted to keep it, we began a total rebuild. The airplane has been totally disassembled and gutted down to the bare structure. Every single nut, bolt, cable, wire, line, hose, etc has been replaced with new. Even the nacelles were drilled apart so that each part could be stripped, inspected and overhauled. I'm now on the home stretch. The new engines should be complete within another week. That should just about match up with the completion of all the re-wiring and with luck the uppholstery guys will wrap up at the same time. She'll be much better than the day she left the factory. Yup, I'll have the most expensive Aztec in the world (still less than the price of a new Cessna 182), but I'll have absolute confidence in it. In my opinion, a complex airplane should have a total overhaul every 30+ year/5000 hours just like the big guys do to jets. I'm always amazed at all the little problems we find during one of these restorations which could have turned into major problems had they not been discovered. I think the main nacelle trusses in the bathtub Commanders are a prime example of that. Eventually, someone is going to actually have an engine depart in flight and we'll get to watch the emergency ADs fly! cheers Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 13, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob
RRamm52(at)cs.com wrote: > Sorry, Chris/All > I really did not mean to be so negative about a cheaper aircraft No need to appologize at all Rob. You're dead right! Sadly, it's also the poor clueless owner who is the same one that's going to have to pay someone else to do all the work rather than be able to invest a 1000 hours of "sweat equity". I'm pretty sure we broke the thousand hour mark on my old Commander. I shudder to think what the bill would have been if I hadn't been able to do so much of the work myself and with the expert assistance of my father! chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
Chris, That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........? Rob In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:59:05 PM Central Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: > > I purchased a pretty sweet little Piper Aztec about three years ago. It > was in good, flyable condition, but I knew it had the same issues. We > did a very VERY detailed annual, and I flew it and enjoyed it for a > year. After deciding that I liked it and wanted to keep it, we began a > total rebuild. The airplane has been totally disassembled and gutted > down to the bare structure. Every single nut, bolt, cable, wire, line, > hose, etc has been replaced with new. Even the nacelles were drilled > apart so that each part could be stripped, inspected and overhauled. > I'm now on the home stretch. The new engines should be complete within > another week. That should just about match up with the completion of > all the re-wiring and with luck the uppholstery guys will wrap up at the > same time. She'll be much better than the day she left the factory. > Yup, I'll have the most expensive Aztec in the world (still less than > the price of a new Cessna 182), but I'll have absolute confidence in it. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 13, 2005
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob
In a message dated 3/13/2005 9:03:03 PM Central Standard Time, cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: > Sadly, it's also the poor clueless owner who is the same one that's > going to have to pay someone else to do all the work rather than be able > to invest a 1000 hours of "sweat equity". I'm pretty sure we broke the > thousand hour mark on my old Commander. I shudder to think what the > bill would have been if I hadn't been able to do so much of the work > myself and with the expert assistance of my father! > > chris I learned much from my father as well. He's 87 now, but I still ask his advice. Flying the mooney to Md. to see him friday, as a matter of fact! I do 99% of my own maintenance and fiddle and improve on the aircraft constantly. I'm in the back woods of La. and only 10 minutes from our little airport, so I'm able to spend a lot of time working on my planes and a lot of time flying them. I think the flight time is better than the TLC......... I made the mistake once of telling one list that I paid 250.00 for my annual on the bonanza. One guy said yeh, those pencil whipped annuals are dangerous, my 25 hour annual cost 3XXX........ Well, I probably spent 200 hours on my Bo annual during the year, and my IA knows it. I've seen many of the high dollar annualled planes on the ramp with dry grease fittings in the landing gear.........rod end failure begging to happen... Cheers, Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my question, why did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your rebuild effort? The commander is a little slower, but is easier to get into. you had a commander before. the numbers are almost the same. your response? al hoffman Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Photo of 720 alti cruiser/Barry C from Rob
Date: Mar 14, 2005
> Buy the very best you can afford to begin with. And then be well educated > on > the mechanics of the aircraft and involved in owner maintenance as much as > possible. Nice thought but it didn't work for me, no plan is 100% bilbo > Regards, > Rob Munro AC50 > > In a message dated 3/13/2005 8:07:55 PM Central Standard Time, > cschuerm(at)cox.net writes: >> I love to see classic aircraft purchased and restored by a caring owner, >> but.... I wrote this about ten years ago and I believe it's still valid. >> (you might want to just about double all dollar values to get a better >> idea of todays prices) >> http://www.aerocommander.com/Documents/things.html >> >> By all means, find a good $50k project and give it the TLC is needs to >> get her back into top condition.... you will have a wonderful >> airplane... just know that you're going to put a lot into it. >> >> Good luck! >> Chris > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
RRamm52(at)cs.com wrote: > That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........? > Rob Rob, I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK. I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did put some pictures of the painting process at: http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
very good Rob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Barry Hancock <radialpower(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 14, 2005
On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > car the > other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > Jim A Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... B ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 14, 2005
From: Chris Schuermann <cschuerm(at)cox.net>
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
alh1(at)juno.com wrote: > chris, i always value your opinion and i read your comments. my > question, why did you choose an aztruck over the commander for your > rebuild effort? Al, thank you for the kind words! All you "old timers" who've known me for the last 10+ years know that I have this illness that makes me want to have "perfect" airplanes. I guess the honest answer is that I found it to be virtually impossible to get an older Commander back into the condition I wanted. I do love the Commanders, but they're complex in both structure and systems. Parts are virtually non-existant, and they're very time consuming to maintain to my standards. After carefully evaluating all of the older twins, I found the aztruck to be a good fit for my needs. The Commanders with geared engines do perform a bit better, but over all, the numbers are pretty close. As long as I'm being blunt honest, I'm going to admit that I'm no Bob Hoover. I try very hard to hone my skills, but I'm no zillion-hour commercial pilot. I find the Commander to be a better flying airplane, but the Aztec is easier to fly - if you get where I'm going. It's a more docile airplane and even the weekend flyer like me can operate it more safely and comfortably (in my opinion). I love to fly just for the fun of it and can operate the aztec on less than 18gph total for those $100 burger runs or about 28gph for a good Bottom line is that it gives me most of the functionality of the Commander at about half the ownership cost. (but doesn't look anywhere near as cool!). I can get just about any part I need with a phone call. Any shop in the country is capable of working on it. Engine parts are still in production. And....my wife really likes it! :-) Cheers, Chris ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Aircraft conditions
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Chris, What was all that funny looking whit stuff on the ground? Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Chris Schuermann Subject: Re: Commander-List: Aircraft conditions RRamm52(at)cs.com wrote: > That is one Aztec I would love to see. Where is she based.........? > Rob Rob, I'm based at Pogue airport - just west of Tulsa, OK. I don't have any good pics of the engine work online anywhere, but I did put some pictures of the painting process at: http://members.cox.net/cschuerm/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 14, 2005
What I don't understand is the airlines, where when fuel goes up one cent per gallon it cost them a $1,000,000 a day, they cut fares and wonder why they lose money. Another thing that surprises me is the difference in the price at the same FBO. KDFW 100LL--$4.13 and Jet-A is $3.51, at KDAL (Love Field) 100LL-- $3.75 AND Jet-A $4.17, at FTW 100LL--$3.59 and Jet-A $3.59. Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Subject: Commander-List: Re: On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:55 PM, Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > car the > other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > Jim A Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Thought some of you might get a bang out of this. If The Wright Brothers Lived Today We can but wonder whether, just over a century ago, Orville Wright would ever have gotten the Flyer off the ground (and where would air transportation be today?) if, on December 17 1903: - Wilbur Wright had called in sick. - And so had all the members of the Gas Can Carriers Union, in furtherance of a contract dispute. - Light rain had been falling, requiring a weather cancellation. - Orville and Wilbur's toolbag had been mistakenly routed to Cleveland. - Orville's slide-rule had crashed, due to over-programming combined with bad weather, preventing him for several hours from making essential wind speed and direction computations. - A by-stander had been spotted striking a match on his shoe to light his pipe, leading to an on-site inspection of all shoes and pipes in the area. - A lady by-stander wearing a head scarf against the cold wind, had been mistakenly profiled as a suspicious Mideasterner of interest instead of a Midwesterner; and wrestled to the ground by federal air marshals, causing further weather-related delays. - Hordes of federal officials had gathered to declare the flight unsafe and unapproved. - Orville had been detained, the field cleared, and the aircraft grounded, upon discovery that he was attempting to carry a canvas repair kit containing a sharp implement aboard the machine. - Creditors had gathered to seize the Flyer - nailing a writ to its mast, so to speak - declaring the venture bankrupt. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Subject: Re:
Even if I could buy one, I don't think I could afford to go anywhere! Rob In a message dated 3/14/2005 9:21:53 AM Central Standard Time, radialpower(at)cox.net writes: > > >Well, it was all those zeros after the 2. I doubled the price of my > >car the > >other day, I filled it with gas. Can you imagine > >what it would cost to fill one of those with gas. > > > >Jim A > > Yep..."If you have to ask how much, you can't afford it...." Though I > don't imagine a P-47 carries that much more internal fuel than a > Commander. What amazes me is the jets going into places like PSP and > SFO, and paying $4 and $5 a gallon for Jet A.... ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 14, 2005
Subject: Collins 108 Flight Director System
Hey, Anyone know if the Collins 108 Flight Director System is approved for the 500S? System uses a Collins 329B-7R FDI and Collins 331A-6 HSI. Thanks, _kenwhyde(at)aol.com_ (mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com) N47AC, #3200, 500S ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tommy Mathieu" <tmathieu(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Aircraft conditions
Date: Mar 15, 2005
Does anyone know of an engine specialist that can render an opinion regarding the failure of an engine? We lost an engine in our 500S a month ago are in need of a specialist that can provide courtroom testimony regarding what caused the failure of the engine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Tommy Mathieu tmathieu(at)msn.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
Date: Mar 16, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Stewart" <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. > > STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. > > Is a field approval my only option? > > Dan > > > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com writes: > > Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes > used on the lighter Commanders? > > > The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a > 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an > IDENTICAL > kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued > (for reasons that are unclear). > Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to > install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. > There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non > members. Hope this helps. jb > > > --------------------------------- > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: cleveland brakes on AC560
Date: Mar 16, 2005
Please send ne a fax number or you mailing address Harry I Had A field Approval on a 560 for a 199-80 Kit Harry 321 267-3141 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Stewart" <dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: cleveland brakes on AC560 > > >> >> >> I think the kicker is "approved commanders" Mine is a straight 560. >> >> STC SA290GL is for 560F and STC SA303GL is for 560A/E. >> >> Is a field approval my only option? >> >> Dan >> >> >> YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> In a message dated 2/25/2005 9:34:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> dstewart7777(at)yahoo.com writes: >> >> Who can tell me the Cleveland model number for the single caliper brakes >> used on the lighter Commanders? >> >> >> The single caliper brake kit for the short Commander (560A - 680FP) is a >> 199-88 kit. This is for the Beech 50 series (Twin Bonanza). It is an >> IDENTICAL >> kit to the 199-74 kit that was approved some years back, but discontinued >> (for reasons that are unclear). >> Cleveland has given me permission to supply all of the paperwork to >> install to 199-88/199-74 kit on approved shot Commanders. >> There is no cost for this paperwork to TCFG members, $100.00 for non >> members. Hope this helps. jb >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Hi Jim, I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should be able to handle it OK! Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to send | it. | | Jim | | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot | cope | with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with | Broadband | very soon, as it's in hand. | | So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you | could | send any files at that time? | | Apologies for messing you about! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | -- || | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Hi Rob, I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should be able to handle it OK! Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRamm52(at)cs.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | I just sent you a large file of a takeoff on board our 500. When you get your | broad band going, I'll send a couple nice clips......... | Rob | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Barry, I may have to copy the DVD and send it to you that way. I called the computer shop and the told me that the server would not handle the size file this is. I am still trying to see if it can be done another way. The file is 400mb but that includes part of a CAF air show. If I can get split it might be small enough to send. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Jim, I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should be able to handle it OK! Kindest Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to send | it. | | Jim | | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot | cope | with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with | Broadband | very soon, as it's in hand. | | So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you | could | send any files at that time? | | Apologies for messing you about! | | Very Best Regards, | Barry | | -- || | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Hi Jim, OK. Sorry if the exercise is causing you a lot of hassle! Very Best Regsrds, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | I may have to copy the DVD and send it to you that way. I called the | computer shop and the told me that the server would not handle the size file | this is. I am still trying to see if it can be done another way. The file is | 400mb but that includes part of a CAF air show. If I can get split it might | be small enough to send. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! | | So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should | be | able to handle it OK! | | Kindest Regards, | Barry | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> | To: | Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | | || || Barry, || || Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to | send || it. || || Jim || || || -----Original Message----- || From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com || [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry || Collman || To: commander-list(at)matronics.com || Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips || || || <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> || || Hi Jim, || || As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot || cope || with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with || Broadband || very soon, as it's in hand. || || So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you || could || send any files at that time? || || Apologies for messing you about! || || Very Best Regards, || Barry || || -- ||| || || || || || || || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Barry, It isn't a hassle, it is frustrating that I can't get it to work and I need to know how. As I said I will either work it out or send you a DVD. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Jim, OK. Sorry if the exercise is causing you a lot of hassle! Very Best Regsrds, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | I may have to copy the DVD and send it to you that way. I called the | computer shop and the told me that the server would not handle the size file | this is. I am still trying to see if it can be done another way. The file is | 400mb but that includes part of a CAF air show. If I can get split it might | be small enough to send. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! | | So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should | be | able to handle it OK! | | Kindest Regards, | Barry | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> | To: | Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | | || || Barry, || || Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to | send || it. || || Jim || || || -----Original Message----- || From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com || [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry || Collman || To: commander-list(at)matronics.com || Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips || || || <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> || || Hi Jim, || || As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot || cope || with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with || Broadband || very soon, as it's in hand. || || So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you || could || send any files at that time? || || Apologies for messing you about! || || Very Best Regards, || Barry || || -- ||| || || || || || || || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Video clips
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Barry, I finally got it separated out and attached but tried all afternoon to get it to send and it would try hard but would end up saying I did not have enough memory. I don't know if it was referring to the server's memory or my computer's. My computer is old and I have a lot of stuff on it that I need to get rid off. It ended up only being about two or three minutes. If you will send me your address I will make a copy and send it to you. Jim A N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry Collman Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> Hi Jim, OK. Sorry if the exercise is causing you a lot of hassle! Very Best Regsrds, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | I may have to copy the DVD and send it to you that way. I called the | computer shop and the told me that the server would not handle the size file | this is. I am still trying to see if it can be done another way. The file is | 400mb but that includes part of a CAF air show. If I can get split it might | be small enough to send. | | Jim | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & running! | | So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should | be | able to handle it OK! | | Kindest Regards, | Barry | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> | To: | Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | | || || Barry, || || Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to | send || it. || || Jim || || || -----Original Message----- || From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com || [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry || Collman || To: commander-list(at)matronics.com || Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips || || || <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> || || Hi Jim, || || As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably cannot || cope || with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with || Broadband || very soon, as it's in hand. || || So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you || could || send any files at that time? || || Apologies for messing you about! || || Very Best Regards, || Barry || || -- ||| || || || || || || || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 19, 2005
Subject: Re: Video clips
In a message dated 3/19/2005 11:05:02 AM Central Standard Time, barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk writes: > Hi Rob, > Will do, Barry > I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up &running! > > So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should > be > able to handle it OK! > > Kindest Regards, > Barry > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Barry Collman" <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Video clips
Date: Mar 20, 2005
Hi Jim, I know the problem with old PC's. My new one is so fast I can see the Emails before they are sent!!!!!!! My postal address is as follows: Barry J Collman 1 Rose Cottages 179 Penn Road Hazlemere HIGH WYCOMBE Buckinghamshire HP15 7NE England Thanks! Very Best Regards, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | Barry, | | I finally got it separated out and attached but tried all afternoon to get | it to send and it would try hard but would end up saying I did not have | enough memory. I don't know if it was referring to the server's memory or my | computer's. My computer is old and I have a lot of stuff on it that I need | to get rid off. | It ended up only being about two or three minutes. If you will send me your | address I will make a copy and send it to you. | | Jim A | N444BD | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com | [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry | Collman | To: commander-list(at)matronics.com | Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips | | | <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> | | Hi Jim, | | OK. Sorry if the exercise is causing you a lot of hassle! | | Very Best Regsrds, | Barry | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> | To: | Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips | | | || || Barry, || I may have to copy the DVD and send it to you that way. I called the || computer shop and the told me that the server would not handle the size | file || this is. I am still trying to see if it can be done another way. The file | is || 400mb but that includes part of a CAF air show. If I can get split it | might || be small enough to send. || || Jim || || -----Original Message----- || From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com || [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry || Collman || To: commander-list(at)matronics.com || Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips || || || <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> || || Hi Jim, || || I got my Broadband package this morning and it seems it is now up & | running! || || So, when you get the proverbial 5 minutes to send the video clip, I should || be || able to handle it OK! || || Kindest Regards, || Barry || || ----- Original Message ----- || From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> || To: || Subject: RE: Commander-List: Video clips || || || ||| ||| Barry, ||| ||| Sounds good to me. By that time I might have broken the code on how to || send ||| it. ||| ||| Jim ||| ||| ||| -----Original Message----- ||| From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com ||| [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Barry ||| Collman ||| To: commander-list(at)matronics.com ||| Subject: Re: Commander-List: Video clips ||| ||| ||| <barry.collman@air-britain.co.uk> ||| ||| Hi Jim, ||| ||| As I'm still on old-fashioned 'dialup' right now, my modem probably | cannot ||| cope ||| with fairly large files. However, my new PC should be equipped with ||| Broadband ||| very soon, as it's in hand. ||| ||| So, could I ask that I let you know when it's up & running, so that you ||| could ||| send any files at that time? ||| ||| Apologies for messing you about! ||| ||| Very Best Regards, ||| Barry ||| ||| -- |||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| -- ||| Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ||| ||| || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || || || || || || || || -- || Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. || || | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | | | | | | | | -- | Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. | | -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Date: Mar 20, 2005
ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 21, 2005
From: W J R HAMILTON <wjrhamilton(at)optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Collins 108 Flight Director System
Ken, I don't really think it's a problem, I have flown at least two ( years ago, a 680F and a 680FL) with an FD 108 setup. What might be better is the FD112. Cheers, Bill Hamilton. At 08:06 15/03/2005, you wrote: > >Hey, > >Anyone know if the Collins 108 Flight Director System is approved for the >500S? System uses a Collins 329B-7R FDI and Collins 331A-6 HSI. > >Thanks, >_kenwhyde(at)aol.com_ (mailto:kenwhyde(at)aol.com) >N47AC, #3200, 500S > > CONFIDENTIALITY & PRIVILEGE NOTICE W.J.R.Hamilton,Glenalmond Group Companies,Fighter Flights Internet Services and Warbirds.Net. & . This message is intended for and should only be used by the addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information.If you are not the intended recipient any use distribution,disclosure or copying of this message is strictly prohibited.Confidentiality and legal privilege attached to this communication are not waived or lost by reason of the mistaken delivery to you.If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately to Australia 61 (0)408 876 526 Dolores capitis non fero. Eos do. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: KenWHyde(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 24, 2005
Subject: Re: Collins 108 Flight Director System
Thanks Bill, I have found out the S-TEC 65 Autopilot STC covers the installation. Interested in your note about the FD112..will check it out. Ken Hyde ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Powered towbar (electric?)
Date: Mar 24, 2005
Hi folks, Rather than redesign the wheel, I am looking for a towbar for my 680FLP. I would prefer to go electric with the power comming from the aircraft APU plug. One reason for the elecrtic route is so that I can keep it on the aircraft therefore lighter weight and no fuel to worry about. Tom F. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 24, 2005
Mason, When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the exhaust headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it chased the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand flew it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. Regards, Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> Subject: Commander-List: > > ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: skyhawkC-172(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 25, 2005
Check... Barnstormers.com there is something listed there on exhaust for aero commander 680 -------------- Original message -------------- > > Mason, > > When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the exhaust > headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a > Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? > > I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am > genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back > course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it chased > the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still > didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand flew > it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. > > Regards, > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" > To: "commander-list" > Subject: Commander-List: > > > > > > ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON > > > > > > > > > > Check... Barnstormers.com there is something listed there on exhaust for aero commander 680 -------------- Original message -------------- -- Commander-List message posted by: "Moe" Mason, When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the exhaust headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it chased the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand flew it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. Regards, &g t; Moe ----- Original Message ----- From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <KAMALA(at)MSN.COM> To: "commander-list" Subject: Commander-List: -- Commander-List message posted by: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:
Date: Mar 24, 2005
On "Big" airplanes you dial in the front course when you fly the back course and get direct sensing as a result. Only a guess. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: > > Mason, > > When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the > exhaust > headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a > Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? > > I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am > genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back > course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it > chased > the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still > didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand > flew > it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. > > Regards, > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com> > To: "commander-list" > Subject: Commander-List: > > >> >> >> ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 24, 2005
Subject: Re: Powered towbar (electric?)
In a message dated 3/24/2005 11:06:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: ather than redesign the wheel, I am looking for a towbar for my 680FLP. I would prefer to go electric with the power comming from the aircraft APU plug. Contact Brian Krue at Power-Tow in Idaho. He has several options. He owns a 680E. jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Powered towbar (electric?)
Date: Mar 24, 2005
http://www.powertow.com Perfect, thank you Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: <YOURTCFG(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Powered towbar (electric?) > > > In a message dated 3/24/2005 11:06:08 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca writes: > > ather than redesign the wheel, I am looking for a towbar for my 680FLP. > I would prefer to go electric with the power comming from the aircraft APU > plug. > > > Contact Brian Krue at Power-Tow in Idaho. He has several options. He owns > a 680E. jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: mander-List:
Date: Mar 25, 2005
MM, AN EXTENSION TO RAISE THE "TAILPIPE" A LITTLE HIGHER SO THE EXHAUST DOES NOT HEAT TOP OF NACELLE SO BADLY. ANY SUGGESTIONS? YES IT IS A MR RPM CONVERSION. CALL MATT AT CENTURY 800-433-5630. MASON PS I LIKE YOUR NEW PAINT JOB. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: On "Big" airplanes you dial in the front course when you fly the back course and get direct sensing as a result. Only a guess. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: > > Mason, > > When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the > exhaust > headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a > Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? > > I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am > genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back > course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it > chased > the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still > didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand > flew > it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. > > Regards, > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>> > To: "commander-list" > > Subject: Commander-List: > > >> > >> >> ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: mander-List:
Date: Mar 25, 2005
GOOD GUESS I WILL BET. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Bow<mailto:bowing74(at)earthlink.net> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: On "Big" airplanes you dial in the front course when you fly the back course and get direct sensing as a result. Only a guess. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com<mailto:moe(at)rosspistons.com>> To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: > > Mason, > > When you say exhaust extensions, do you mean the last section on the > exhaust > headers? Also, isn't your 689F(p) a > Mr. RPM (Richard P. Mackoon) conversion with the eight cylinder engines? > > I just got back from Florida, used the autopilot almost all the way and am > genuinely happy with it. I think that I best reread the localizer back > course procedure. Tried it in Lake Charles, La., and sure enough it > chased > the needle instead of running from it. Hit the reverse button and still > didn't get the desired result, so I hit the bright red button and hand > flew > it. Thanks again for working with Century and Commander Aero. > > Regards, > > Moe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com<mailto:Kamala(at)msn.com>> > To: "commander-list" > > Subject: Commander-List: > > >> > >> >> ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND EXHAUST EXTENSIONS FOR A 680FP? MASON >> >> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion
Date: Mar 26, 2005
----- Original Message ----- From: Jean Subject: seajean flying boat conversion ________________________________________________________________________________
From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Subject: HAPPY EASTER
HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2005
From: Frits Abbing <fritsabbing(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: HAPPY EASTER
There is no fuel in heaven, they all fly on air. And there is no FAA also, so ......!!! Happy Easter. --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy > Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate > this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so > that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty > God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal > life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your > salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. > May God bless all of you this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! > With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RRamm52(at)cs.com
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Subject: Re: HAPPY EASTER
Amen, Jim Happy Easter, All. Rob Munro ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: HAPPY EASTER
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds good. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: HAPPY EASTER
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Thanks for your testimonies, guys. Not only no fuel required, but Aero Commanders that can traverse the stars. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net> Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com
Subject: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Hey guys, It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2005
From: joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com
Subject: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05
> -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > From: Commander-List Digest Server > > Date: Sat, March 26, 2005 11:55 pm > To: Commander-List Digest List > > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/26/05: 1 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:46 AM - Fw: seajean flying boat conversion (Avtec2) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > From: "Avtec2" <avtec2(at)bellsouth.net> > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean > Subject: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 27, 2005
I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut it down and feathered the prop. So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to proceed there. I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and hub. We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new storm arrived. Reflections: This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter for a look see just to be sure). Still need to learn (among other things): I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? Larry Wokral, 500B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Buddy, My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find a new home and stay with the flight group. Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to fly with you! Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we going to let you outta this gang! Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "alh1(at)juno.com" <alh1(at)juno.com>
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
larry, i am always interested in successful single engine flying. try that in a cessna cardinal. before i got my commander, i had an engine failure in my bonanza. i went right away to full power on the second engine, but nothing happened. fortunately for me there was a road available and no injuries, but that was it for me and one engine. glad you made it. al hoffman Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Larry, HECK of a job! Well done, and obviously a strong reinforcement of your confidence in the Merlyn conversion & SE Ceiling. Granted, there are other (safer) ways to get a closeup of an F-15, but it sure is a nice feeling to know that "protecting democracy" includes breaking off from training to provide help & much needed moral support to a fellow aviator, albeit a GA pilot. I feel much better about my tax dollars now. /John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut > it down and feathered the prop. > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > proceed there. > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > hub. > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > storm arrived. > > Reflections: > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > for a look see just to be sure). > > Still need to learn (among other things): > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > Larry Wokral, > 500B > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "MASON CHEVAILLIER" <Kamala(at)msn.com>
Subject: Re: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 27, 2005
BW, STAY WITH US. YOUR SITUATION WILL ENVELOP US ALL AT SOME POINT. YOUR ARE WELCOME IN MY LEFT OR RIGHT SEAT ANY TIME. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby Buddy, My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find a new home and stay with the flight group. Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to fly with you! Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we going to let you outta this gang! Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com<mailto:buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>> To: > Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com> > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Addington" <jtaddington(at)charter.net>
Subject: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Same goes for me, Mason's plane is much nicer and it will be two or three months before I can get mine back in the air but the invitation is open. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of MASON CHEVAILLIER Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby BW, STAY WITH US. YOUR SITUATION WILL ENVELOP US ALL AT SOME POINT. YOUR ARE WELCOME IN MY LEFT OR RIGHT SEAT ANY TIME. MASON ----- Original Message ----- From: John Vormbaum<mailto:john(at)vormbaum.com> To: commander-list(at)matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > Buddy, My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find a new home and stay with the flight group. Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to fly with you! Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we going to let you outta this gang! Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com<mailto:buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>> To: > Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com> > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Great outcome! I switched to ME's after I had a Cherokee's engine fail about 100' off the runway during a night flight (which never happened after this as you might expect). Fortunatlely, the runway was more than a mile long so I could just settle back and land. There is still a debate about SE and ME safety, some soap-boxing the myth that a ME engine failure oftentimes merely drag you to the scene of the accident. But nothing can yield a better return on your investment than an experience like Larry had. There is really no excuse for putting yourself or your family into a SE and fly anywhere outside gliding distance of a good landing spot, which usually means nowhere. That goes for the multi-million dollar single engine turbines too, in my opinion. Still one engine, one prop, and one point of failure. And when things go silent after having parted with 2 or 3 million dollars, you would wish you had another noise-maker on a wing that you could write about after you landed safely. My first twin, a Twin Comanche, lost power on the left engine on takeoff one day. Knowing to do that when I was lightly loaded and alone on board, made it a non-event circling and landing again. My Commander, however, never pulled a trick like that on me. Thanks for sharing, Larry, the boys on our payroll was a definite bonus! This rendition of your experience is a keeper. Nico. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut > it down and feathered the prop. > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > proceed there. > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > hub. > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > storm arrived. > > Reflections: > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > for a look see just to be sure). > > Still need to learn (among other things): > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > Larry Wokral, > 500B > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Hi Buddy, Exquisite Aero Commander. Sorry to hear that moment we all dread has arrived for you. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 27, 2005
Your Twin Comanche would not be able to do that at GW, a Commander can! Tom F. ----- Original Message ----- From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > >My first twin, a Twin Comanche, lost power on the left engine on takeoff one >day. Knowing to do that when I was lightly loaded and alone on board, made >it a non-event circling and landing again. My Commander, however, never >pulled a trick like that on me. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Oh, absolutely, Tom, which is why the Commander came into my life. The other benefits such as getting to move around a bit in the cabin, further accentuated the justification for the extra investment. When I took off with the Twin Comanche fully loaded, I always mentally prepared myself to handle an engine out situation as if the Twin were a single engine plane with limited extended glide properties. I must say, however, I could maintain 8000' on one engine near GW while in cruise. Even that makes it superior to a single engine. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fisher" <tfisher(at)commandergroup.bc.ca> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > Your Twin Comanche would not be able to do that at GW, a Commander can! > Tom F. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > > > > > > >My first twin, a Twin Comanche, lost power on the left engine on takeoff > one > >day. Knowing to do that when I was lightly loaded and alone on board, made > >it a non-event circling and landing again. My Commander, however, never > >pulled a trick like that on me. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2005
Subject: N854BW for sale...an absolute "gem"!
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
3.03 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date": commander-list(at)matronics.com Hey Folks, Can I say that the very best example of a 560E has just come on the market. N854BW has been purposefully rebuilt to a "gem" specimen over the past ten years and is an absolute credit to the high standards that Buddy has set in its restoration. I am honoured to have had the opportunity to fly this aircraft for several hours immediately after the 2004 fly-in. 54BW performed just flawlessly and was ultimately forgiving to a little bit of wacky treatment that this Ozzie unleashed...too fast and a little short on flap on a narrow runway! The aircraft's retrousse "Chamberlain" nose suitably befits the authority that it commands! This 560E is fitted with a fantastic array of digital support and has a beautifully restored interior...I found it great to rest my head back on my leather seat with its specially embossed period Aero Commander logo. 54BW is a fantastic specimen of the best of "bath-tub" Commanders...as Dick Wartinger commented many times... "the 560E is the most sought after Commander variant...". I have personally viewed the fastidious paperwork that accompanies this aircraft and I am aware of the exhaustive "annual" process that it has been subject to over the past several years. I am convinced that Buddy will overcome this FAA nonsense in the medium term and will find another twin Commander to work his magic on sometime soon...perhaps a turbine... As John has already commented; Buddy has earned "stardom" status within the TCFG and is strictly expected to continue to exercise this status on behalf of the Group. Bud...our thoughts are with you old pal... Cheers Russell On 28/3/05 9:11 AM, "buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com" wrote: > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 29, 2005
Subject: Re: HAPPY EASTER
From: Russell Legg <rlegg(at)austarnet.com.au>
G'day Folks. Be sure to have a great Easter! Cheers Russell On 28/3/05 3:36 AM, "Jim Addington" wrote: > > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Sale of My Baby
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Hey Buddy, Sorry to hear that you are sending in your medical cert, but glad to kow that you are interested in staying with the group and keeping active in aviaition. I hope that you will join us for the Commander fly-in in California. Looking forward to seeing you. Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby Hey guys, It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Larry, Very happy to hear of your successful outcome. With your conversion, does the crankcase breather no longer exit behind the exhaust? I thought that a heated exit, or a "breather notch" was mandatory on all piston engines in aircraft. On another subject, can anyone tell me if most piston Commanders have wet vacuum pumps? My 680F(p) has wet vacuum pumps. Regards, Moe Mills N680RR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut > it down and feathered the prop. > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > proceed there. > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > hub. > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > storm arrived. > > Reflections: > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > for a look see just to be sure). > > Still need to learn (among other things): > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > The other question: > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > Larry Wokral, > 500B > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Randy Dettmer, AIA" <rcdettmer(at)charter.net>
Subject: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Hey Larry, Thanks for sharing your adventure...what a great outcome. You obviously handled the situation with a calm and professional manner. We all learn and benefit from hearing about what you experienced and your respnse to an emergency situation. Well done..!! Randy Dettmer 680F/N6253X -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry Wokral Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut it down and feathered the prop. So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to proceed there. I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and hub. We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new storm arrived. Reflections: This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter for a look see just to be sure). Still need to learn (among other things): I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? Larry Wokral, 500B ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Subject: Re: Sale of My Baby
Buddy, I, too, was very saddened by your letter to us. As Mason points out, this is something that hovers over us all the time ... I know that each time I go for my Airman Medical that I wonder if "this is the day my career ends." You've been with the Twin Commander Flight Group for a long time -- I remember chatting with you when I was at the TCFG offices in Blue Springs, MO, around 1997. You have lots to contribute and if it's not too painful of a reminder of what you've had to let go of, please stay onboard. Looks like you have an open seat on a bunch of Commanders so take advantage of that. We all wish you the best and we all want you to stay with us. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Health
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Hi Buddy, Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in in South Carolina. Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep it. bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com>
Subject: Health
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my airplane. Thanks for you support and I'll see you again in California or one of the next flyin's. -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow Subject: Commander-List: Health --> Hi Buddy, Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in in South Carolina. Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep it. bilbo ________________________________________________________________________________
From: CloudCraft(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Subject: Re: Health
In a message dated 28-Mar-05 08:41:03 Pacific Standard Time, buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com writes: Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my airplane. Certainly you can get a servant with a multi engine rating ... my company has several of us. Wing Commander Gordon ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "John Vormbaum" <john(at)vormbaum.com>
Subject: Re: Single Engine flying
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Hey Moe! (nyuk nyuk) From what I understand, Larry's airplane had a Cleveland brake conversion that moved the breather from the aft nacelle (you might have those do-nothing tubes, 3/4" or so in diameter, that exit straight aft at the back of the nacelle....those used to be crankcase breathers) to the bottom of the nacelle because the new calipers would hit the old breather tubes when you folded the gear up (I think). So his breathers exit at the bottom of the nacelle. Got this from Morris, who had a chance to look at Larry's airplane recently. An unusual occurrence in any case, but again, very well handled. Also, I'm sure that ALL Commanders came with wet pumps, mine have them too. I replaced one in '02 or so, but I'm pretty sure the other one is original 1962 vintage. Messy, but they last forever. I wouldn't mind making my airplane an all-electric airplane someday (except for the boots) but that's a ways down the road. /J ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moe" <moe(at)rosspistons.com> Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > Larry, > > Very happy to hear of your successful outcome. > > With your conversion, does the crankcase breather no longer exit behind the > exhaust? I thought that a heated exit, or a "breather notch" was mandatory > on all piston engines in aircraft. > > On another subject, can anyone tell me if most piston Commanders have wet > vacuum pumps? My 680F(p) has wet vacuum pumps. > > Regards, > > Moe Mills > N680RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Wokral" <l.wokral(at)ix.netcom.com> > To: "Commander e-mail list" > Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying > > > > > > > I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. > > > > While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine > > started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a > > little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly > > dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still > had > > oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked > > out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately > shut > > it down and feathered the prop. > > > > So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over > > very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't > get > > any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I > was > > there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily > > maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the > > McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my > > Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of > nowhere > > with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold > > clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly > > decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into > the > > McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to > > proceed there. > > > > I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s > > were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or > > could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between > me > > and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach > > through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single > > engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could > > find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my > > assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I > must > > say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with > you. > > He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the > feathered > > engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the > > horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to > look > > for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me > > to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through > > it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. > > > > The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed > off > > to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were > all > > great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not > > turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. > > > > A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's > ramp. > > When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from > > somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the > > problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the > crankcase > > breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to > > blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours > > cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three > > quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. > > When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose > > seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of > > course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and > > hub. > > > > We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew > > it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new > > storm arrived. > > > > Reflections: > > This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 > > conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. > > With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel > > aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about > > 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the > > problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The > > single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left > > engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot > > longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin > occasionally > > reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down > > prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter > > for a look see just to be sure). > > > > Still need to learn (among other things): > > I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was > > never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no > visible > > moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes > the > > vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside > > edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut > > somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the > > exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine > after > > everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full > RPM, > > and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to > > around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I > want > > to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find > > out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to > > freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at > > 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). > > > > The other question: > > Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? > > > > Larry Wokral, > > 500B > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Bow" <bowing74(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Health
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Get the limo driver a pilots license. bilbo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Windham" <buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com> Subject: RE: Commander-List: Health > > > Already thought about that, but I can't afford a driver for my limo and my > airplane. Thanks for you support and I'll see you again in California or > one of the next flyin's. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Bow > To: Commander List > Subject: Commander-List: Health > > --> > > Hi Buddy, > > Sorry to hear of your health problems. I have fond memories of our-fly in > in South Carolina. > > Can't you just get a rated "safety pilot" to fly along with you and keep > it. > > bilbo > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 28, 2005
From: Dan Farmer <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05
Buddy It saddens me to think of you not flying BUD 1. The two of you are a couple of class acts. Hope to see you at the TC fly ins. Dan Farmer 6369U Commander-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ Commander-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/27/05: 16 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:03 AM - HAPPY EASTER (YOURTCFG(at)aol.com) 2. 09:15 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Frits Abbing) 3. 09:30 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (RRamm52(at)cs.com) 4. 10:06 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Jim Addington) 5. 02:59 PM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (nico css) 6. 03:42 PM - Sale of My Baby (buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com) 7. 03:55 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 (joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com) 8. 04:05 PM - Single Engine flying (Larry Wokral) 9. 04:15 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (John Vormbaum) 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (alh1(at)juno.com) 11. 04:29 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (John Vormbaum) 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (MASON CHEVAILLIER) 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (Jim Addington) 14. 07:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (nico css) 16. 11:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (Tom Fisher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: Frits Abbing Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER There is no fuel in heaven, they all fly on air. And there is no FAA also, so ......!!! Happy Easter. --- YOURTCFG(at)aol.com wrote: > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy > Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate > this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so > that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty > God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal > life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your > salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. > May God bless all of you this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! > With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > > > > > > __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: RRamm52(at)cs.com Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER Amen, Jim Happy Easter, All. Rob Munro ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds good. Jim Addington N444BD -----Original Message----- From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of YOURTCFG(at)aol.com Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER HI KIDS. I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you this wonderful day Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that never go dry!! ;-) jb ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: "nico css" Subject: Re: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER Thanks for your testimonies, guys. Not only no fuel required, but Aero Commanders that can traverse the stars. Praise God from whom all blessings flow. Nico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Addington" Subject: RE: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > Throw me in that briar patch too, no FAA and no fuel problems, really sounds > good. > > Jim Addington > N444BD > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com > [mailto:owner-commander-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of > YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > To: commander-list(at)matronics.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER > > > HI KIDS. > > I just want to wish all of you a Happy Easter! Remember, there is > no such thing as the Easter bunny. We celebrate this day a risen savior, > Jesus Christ. He died and was resurrect, today, so that you and I can have > eternal life basking in the glory of our almighty God, the creator of the > universe. His sacrifice was our gain. Eternal life WOW!! > Do you know him?? Are you sure of your salvation?? Where will you > spent eternity?? I hope it is with me in heaven. May God bless all of you > this > wonderful day > > Jim Metzger, Director, Twin Commander Flight Group > > PS I sure hope there are Aero Commander in heaven!! With fuel tanks that > never go dry!! ;-) jb > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ From: buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby Hey guys, It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. H.W."Buddy" Windham President Cycon Enterprises, Inc. Excalibur Contracting, Inc. The Windham Companies, Inc. L&B Investors, LLC ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ From: joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com Subject: Commander-List: RE: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 > From: Commander-List Digest Server > > Date: Sat, March 26, 2005 11:55 pm > To: Commander-List Digest List > > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-26.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 03/26/05: 1 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 04:46 AM - Fw: seajean flying boat conversion (Avtec2) > > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > From: "Avtec2" > Subject: Commander-List: Fw: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jean > Subject: seajean flying boat conversion > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ From: "Larry Wokral" Subject: Commander-List: Single Engine flying I just had an experience I thought I'd share or get some comments on. While returning to Montana at 17,500' this last Thursday, my right engine started loosing a little MP. Initially, I easily got it back with just a little push of the throttle. Within a minute or so of this, it suddenly dropped about 10 inches MP, and the engine started to run rough. I still had oil pressure, and the JPI engine scanner didn't send any alarms. I looked out the right window, and saw oil all over the nose bowl. I immediately shut it down and feathered the prop. So here I am VFR (on flight following) at 17,500' above a cloud deck over very remote northern Nevada. I got everything stabilized, but I couldn't get any rudder trim. Perhaps with all the rain in Central California while I was there something froze up along the trim cable. The OAT was -25C. I easily maintained 16,500' with just the left engine. My GPS said I was near the McDermott airport. I've seen it from the air many times when flying my Cardinal RG along this same route. It is literally in the middle of nowhere with nothing around. There was at least a 2,000-5,000' thick layer of cold clouds between me and it, and it has no instrument approach. I reluctantly decided to declare an emergency with ATC. They wanted to vector me into the McDermott strip. My GPS said I was 45 minutes from Boise, so I opted to proceed there. I was at the edge of the Paradise and Owyhee MOAs near V113 where two F15s were maneuvering. I had asked Salt Lake Center if Boise Approach had or could get any pilot reports of a hole through the clouds anywhere between me and their field. I wasn't looking forward to a single engine IFR approach through an unknown thickness of clouds in a plane that I had no single engine experience in. They called up the F15s and asked them if they could find a hole. Within a couple of minutes, one of the F15s called me on my assigned frequency telling me that he was forming up on my left side. I must say that it is pretty cool to see an F15 fairly close in formation with you. He split off to the left and reformed on the right side to see the feathered engine. He was amazed that the entire nacelle and that side of the horizontal tail was covered in oil. The other F15 had flown forward to look for a hole. The first one departed, and the second F15 appeared to lead me to a hole he had found. I descended making very shallow turns down through it. Thankfully the ceiling was over 5,000'. The rest of the flight to Boise and the landing went well. I was handed off to Boise Approach who kept me all the way through the landing. They were all great to work with. The female controller even already knew about not turning into the dead engine when she vectored me for a base entry. A fire truck followed me along the taxiway until I stopped on an FBO's ramp. When I exited the plane, he handed me a chunk of ice that he saw fall from somewhere near the failed right engine. As I began trying to evaluate the problem, it occurred to me that the ice probably had come off the crankcase breather. If so, it had probably blocked venting causing a nose seal to blow. I found a mechanic that took me in. He spent a couple of hours cleaning the engine and looking for the problem. There was still three quarts of oil in the crankcase, so, luckily, there was no engine damage. When I did a runup, we could see oil coming from the vicinity of the nose seal. You can't actually see it because it is behind the prop and hub. Of course that was the problem as we confirmed when we removed the prop and hub. We got it all back together with a new nose seal late Friday night. I flew it home to Hamilton Montana (6S5) yesterday just a few hours before a new storm arrived. Reflections: This airplane (500B) handles well on one engine. The Merlyn Turbo 320 conversion's claim of a 16K' single engine service ceiling is believable. With just me, about 100 lbs of baggage, and about 100 gallons of fuel aboard, I could have maintained my 17,000' altitude indefinitely at about 120 KIAS. ATC was very professional and ready to devote any effort to the problem. The F15s, while not expected, sure were nice to have around. The single engine landing wasn't difficult. You CAN taxi with only the left engine operating as long as you keep moving. 45-50 minutes takes a lot longer to pass when you have one shut down. A little adrenalin occasionally reminds you that you are still alive. Immediately shutting the engine down prevented any damage (we looked the turbo over and cut open the oil filter for a look see just to be sure). Still need to learn (among other things): I need to figure out why an engine breather tube can freeze in VMC (I was never in the clouds at any time from take-off to landing and saw no visible moisture. I do have the Cleveland double brake conversion which reroutes the vent from the aluminum tube and via scat tubing down to the lower outside edge of the well. It probably needs to have an upstresam vent slot cut somewhere (like my Cessna Cardinal had) or perhaps rerouted into the exhaust). I need to learn the appropriate power setting for one engine after everything is stabilized (of course I initially went to full rich, full RPM, and full throttle on the left engine, but a couple of cylinder CHTs got to around 440 even with the cowl flaps open - below limits but more than I want to see). I'll bet that I could have lowered the power some. I need to find out where rain water can stay in the rudder trim system allowing it to freeze at altitude (it froze again during the 1 hour flight Saturday at 15,500 from Boise to Hamilton). The other question: Do I log this as single engine or multi engine time? Larry Wokral, 500B ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ From: "John Vormbaum" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby Buddy, My spirits fell as I read this. You are one of the very few people that I consider the "glue" that holds the flight group together. I can't imagine you not flying.....especially with how great you looked last fly-in and the amount of energy you obviously put forth to get yourself in such good shape. I will console myself with the knowledge that your beautiful 560E will find a new home and stay with the flight group. Whenever & wherever our paths cross, there's always an open seat in my airplane for you and you can take control for any flights. I'd be proud to fly with you! Not to mention, your participation in the group is mandatory. No way are we going to let you outta this gang! Looking forward to seeing you at the next fly-in, /John ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Commander-List: Sale of My Baby > > Hey guys, > > It is with a very heavy heart that I must announce > that the FAA has decided that I should give them back my medical due to my > developing what is known as idiopathic cardiomyopathy, in short a weak > heart. What this means is that I must sell my toys. I have what I believe > is the nicest 560e flying today. I also have an Enstrom helicopter which > must go. Anyways if anyone would like to see the spec's and pic's of my > stuff go to cyconenterprises.com and take a peak. I have spoken to Jimbo > and explained my sad circumstances. I am planning on staying in the flight > group and continuing supporting in what ever way I can the tradition of what > I feel is the best aircraft every built. Well I'm begining to tear up so > I'll say bye for now. Stay in touch. > > > H.W."Buddy" Windham > President > Cycon Enterprises, Inc. > Excalibur Contracting, Inc. > The Windham Companies, Inc. > L&B Investors, LLC > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > > __________ NOD32 1.1038 (20050326) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.nod32.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ From: "alh1(at)juno.com" Subject: Re: Commander-List: Single Engine flying larry, i am always interested in successful single engine flying. try that in a cessna cardinal. before i got my commander, i had an engine failure in my bonanza. i went right away to full power on the second engine, but nothing happened. fortunately for me there was a road available and no injuries, but that was it for me and one engine. glad you made it. al hoffman === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "nico css" <nico(at)cybersuperstore.com>
Subject: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05
Date: Mar 28, 2005
Any idea already where in CA the flyin would be? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Farmer" <daniellfarmer(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Commander-List: Re: Commander-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 03/27/05 > > Buddy > It saddens me to think of you not flying BUD 1. The two of you are a couple of class acts. Hope to see you at the TC fly ins. > > Dan Farmer > 6369U > > Commander-List Digest Server wrote: > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Commander-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Commander-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/commander-list/Digest.Commander-List.2005-03-27.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Commander-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sun 03/27/05: 16 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 09:03 AM - HAPPY EASTER (YOURTCFG(at)aol.com) > 2. 09:15 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Frits Abbing) > 3. 09:30 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (RRamm52(at)cs.com) > 4. 10:06 AM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (Jim Addington) > 5. 02:59 PM - Re: HAPPY EASTER (nico css) > 6. 03:42 PM - Sale of My Baby (buddy(at)cyconenterprises.com) > 7. 03:55 PM - Re: Commander-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 03/26/05 (joe(at)taccapitalgroup.com) > 8. 04:05 PM - Single Engine flying (Larry Wokral) > 9. 04:15 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (John Vormbaum) > 10. 04:17 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (alh1(at)juno.com) > 11. 04:29 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (John Vormbaum) > 12. 05:24 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (MASON CHEVAILLIER) > 13. 05:45 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (Jim Addington) > 14. 07:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (nico css) > 15. 07:44 PM - Re: Sale of My Baby (nico css) > 16. 11:31 PM - Re: Single Engine flying (Tom Fisher) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > From: YOURTCFG(at)aol.com > Subject: Commander-List: HAPPY EASTER >

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