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EAA Flight Advisor ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 05, 2003
Subject: Re: NACA Vent in Canopy Skirt
I had two of these in our first RV-4 . The front one made only noise and the rear one made noise and air to rear seat. I plugged both and installed inlet air through the firewall. The noise was so bad I couldn't use the radio at high cruise before I plugged the Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 05, 2003
From: Greg Hunsicker <Greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com>
Subject: Re: SkyTek light weight starter
I have been on the road for a couple weeks and intend to do that when I get back home. Was looking for a quick heads up if others have already been down this road. Greg LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote: > >Hi Greg, > >Why aren't you doing a weight and balance calculation to determine this for >yourself? > >Jim Ayers >EAA Flight Advisor > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com>

Subject: Re: SkyTek light weight starter
Date: Mar 05, 2003
----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Hunsicker" <Greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com> Subject: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter > > I am about to remove a 17 pound starter on my 150 hp O-320 RV-4 and > install one of the > flyweight 8 pound starters. I did not build the airplane and am > wondering if I have any real W&B issues? Is removing 9 pounds from that > location going to cause me concern? I run a 12 pound Warnke prop. > > Greg > > I flew my rv-4 with the SkyTek starter, wood prop, small alternator, O-320 and recently an Odessey 980 battery. In other words, fairly light weight forward of the spar. My experiences were that it was great flying solo, but some of my heavier friends (200 lbs.) moved the c.g. so far aft that the plane was not enjoyable to fly. The c.g.was never out the aft end, but was darn close and of course the closer it was, the lighter the force needed to change pitch. I recently installed a Landoll solid ring on the flywheel to smooth out the low rpm idle and move the c.g. forward. I usually detest adding weight but in this case I think the benefits outweighed (pun intended) the negative effects that any added weight always produces. I would suggest you do a weight and balance and know how much aft weight your plane can safely handle. Ivan Haecker 880 hrs. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)lib.drury.edu>
Subject: Re: SkyTek light weight starter
Date: Mar 05, 2003
I can't imagine this being an issue with the 150 hp engines unless you have VERY heavy passenger. I have the 0-290 in my RV-4 (125 hp) and since that engine is at least 20 lbs lighter than the 0-320, I do have to limit my passenger's weight to below 160 lbs. You can easily tell when you are getting close to the aft CG limit. Pitch control starts to get very sensitive. Having full fuel will help move the CG forward. Steve Mullins, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Economics Drury University 417.889.5609 (home) 417.873.7299 (office) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> Subject: RE: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter > > I run a Catto wood prop and have the lightweight starter and alternator. I > haven't noticed any adverse flying conditions on my -4. HOWEVER, I've only > got 6 hours on my plane and I just added a harmonic dampener from Landoll > today. I was worried about carrying passengers without it. > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Hunsicker [mailto:Greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com] > To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20021120.Netscape/7.01 > Subject: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter > > > > I am about to remove a 17 pound starter on my 150 hp O-320 RV-4 and > install one of the > flyweight 8 pound starters. I did not build the airplane and am > wondering if I have any real W&B issues? Is removing 9 pounds from that > location going to cause me concern? I run a 12 pound Warnke prop. > > Greg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
Subject: SkyTek light weight starter
Date: Mar 07, 2003
Most of my friends are big guys in the 220lb range. With the harmonic dampener I can take them up for more than 20 min. Otherwise fuel burn causes the CG to move too far aft. It's just something I don't want to worry about. -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mullins [mailto:smullins(at)lib.drury.edu] Subject: Re: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter I can't imagine this being an issue with the 150 hp engines unless you have VERY heavy passenger. I have the 0-290 in my RV-4 (125 hp) and since that engine is at least 20 lbs lighter than the 0-320, I do have to limit my passenger's weight to below 160 lbs. You can easily tell when you are getting close to the aft CG limit. Pitch control starts to get very sensitive. Having full fuel will help move the CG forward. Steve Mullins, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Economics Drury University 417.889.5609 (home) 417.873.7299 (office) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com> Subject: RE: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter > > I run a Catto wood prop and have the lightweight starter and alternator. I > haven't noticed any adverse flying conditions on my -4. HOWEVER, I've only > got 6 hours on my plane and I just added a harmonic dampener from Landoll > today. I was worried about carrying passengers without it. > > -- > Scott VanArtsdalen > Network Manager > Union Safe Deposit Bank > 209-946-5116 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Hunsicker [mailto:Greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com] > To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com.Gecko/20021120.Netscape/7.01 > Subject: RV4-List: SkyTek light weight starter > > > > I am about to remove a 17 pound starter on my 150 hp O-320 RV-4 and > install one of the > flyweight 8 pound starters. I did not build the airplane and am > wondering if I have any real W&B issues? Is removing 9 pounds from that > location going to cause me concern? I run a 12 pound Warnke prop. > > Greg > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rvmils(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 11, 2003
Subject: first engine failure, need help
rv6-list(at)matronics.com Well, I had my first engine failure and landed without incident. I need some help trouble shooting this one. On takeoff at FPR, at about 800 AGL, the engine lost most of its power. It was a sputter, followed my an almost shut down. It reminded me of the time I was setting up my fuel flow on the RMI and ran a tank try. I check the boost, it was confirmed on, mixture rich, and switch tanks. No luck. I jockeyed the throttle and mixture on the down wind, just to see if I could get more power and still no luck. I landed rwy 32 with no problems and after a few sputters to taxi clear, the engine completely shut down on the runway. I tried to restart on the ramp and the 3 year old battery also decided to quit. My plane is normally hangared, right now I'm doing my CFI at Aviator and the 4 has been left out for a week with half tanks. I thought it might had been fuel contamination or moisture, but the full cup samples I took after the long push to the ramp showed no problems with the fuel. No samples were inspected prior to the flight. It took about a minute to land and I was thinking that if it were water in the line it would have cleared and fired back up, but I've also heard that fuel injectors are more sensitive to water. Where to start, first thing tomorrow, after I order a new battery, I'll pull the filters and purge the system, but other than that I don't know what it could be. My system is an 0360, Bendix injector, and airflow performance boost/filter setup. I do have the RMI fuel flow transducer between the injector and flowdivider/spider. If anyone has any ideal where else I could look, please advise. Thanks, Carey Mills RV4 310 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 12, 2003
Subject: Re: first engine failure, need help
Cary, I'm glad your ok after your engine out episode! You must have icewater in your veins to sound so easy going about it. I can't tell you what it is that caused your power loss but you have a second chance to find out. just make sure you find it. I will say that it's usually the simple things that bite us. Good hunting! Again I'm glad you landed safely. Jim Mandeville RV-4 # 111 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 12, 2003
Subject: Garmin 250XL
Hey ya'll, I have a garmin 250XL for sale. Unit is brand new, includes installation kit and manual. Unit is $2795 from the store, I will sell it for $2200. SB ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Rvmils(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2003
Subject: engine failure solved
rv8-list(at)matronics.com After trouble shooting the system, it turn out to be my fuel injector. I pick it up from Southeast Fuel Systems today and the problem was the bellows assembly. I bought this servo when I had my engine overhauled. The servo was overhauled by a company in Alabama, not sure the name, but they used a few after market PMA parts and Bill from Southeast seems to think that was the problem. The bellows assembly was stainless, instead of brass/berillum and I had excessive wear on a spacer. Just glad it happen a 600 ft in the pattern. My biggest concern was the lack of warning of the impending failure and the fact that I could not catch the problem on any of my inspections. I appreciate the help and use most of the ideals to trouble shoot the problem. Blue Skies, Carey Mills ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DFCPAC(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 15, 2003
Subject: carb. adjustment
i have a lyc. 0-320 32d and on the back of the carb. there is an adjustment screw. is there an beginning setting for the adjustment? when you turn it outwards does that lean or richen the mixture? thank you dan carley ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>

Subject: Re: Fw: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/17/03
Date: Mar 18, 2003
This request for an engine reminds me... I have a Lycoming O-320 D1A, with 200~ hours TTSN, for sale $16-k in Coalinga, California (short range delivery negotiable). Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg P Jannakos <gpjann(at)juno.com> Subject: Engines-List: Re: Engines-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 03/17/03 > --> Engines-List message posted by: Greg P Jannakos > > > I'm looking for an engine for sale to install on my Zodiac CH601HDS. > Anyone have one for sale? > Greg Jannakos > gpjann(at)juno.com > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 22, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement...
Dear Listers, Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a "total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page, and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/ Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin... Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Phil Smith" <phil@analysis-inc.com>

Subject: Cleveland 10-30 master cyl.
Date: Mar 23, 2003
Hi guys, I'm putting some right side floor mounted brakes in a RV-6 that I just purchased and I am looking for a pair of Cleveland 10-30 master cylinders. I purchased everything I needed except for the cylinders from Van's the other day. They do not stock them anymore. Thanks, Phil Smith 916BN ________________________________________________________________________________
From: N8292W(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 25, 2003
Subject: Re: FAB and cowling clearance
Hi Pat - On my -4, there is very little clearance. I think at times it rubs and does not seem to be an issue. It is real hard to see how much clearance there is as I have a lot going on behind it and can't see it well. I would imagine 1/4" would be fine. As far as your other question, you pipe the carb heat to the special fitting that clamps on the crossover on the exhaust, and yes, it just draws in undercowl air across the exhaust into the airbox. I hope this helps! -Mike Kraus RV-4 N223RV 43 hours and ready for SNF! Canton, MI ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 27, 2003
Subject: Jon Johanson Seats
Listers, Is there anyone out there that has purchased the Johanson seats and knows the dimensions of the seats ? Also, I would like to know how you mounted them. Thanks! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRENIER(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 28, 2003
Subject: Re: Jon Johanson Seats
Scott, I bought one of the seats, fitted into my 4 but decided not to use it. My reason is that I needed more room because of my inability to loose about 30 pounds, The seat fit perfectly it is molded on the bottom to fit behind the front spar and rest on the floor. The seat extends over the spar. You do not need a raised seat fixture. The top of the sear rest against the role bar. Brackets are used to attach the seat to the airframe. The seat is very comfortable and holds you firmly in place. It has an additional cushion that is velcroed under your legs. I can measure it for you if you tell me what demensions you need. Ray ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2003
Subject: RV4 Canopy plunger
Listers, What is everyone using for the plunger that holds the RV4 canopy open. Currently I have just a cable (don't like it) I want something that will hold the canopy open even if there is a little wind that may blow the canopy closed. Any suggestions out there please. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Van Artsdalen, Scott" <svanarts(at)unionsafe.com>
Subject: RV4 Canopy plunger
Date: Mar 31, 2003
Me too Scott. Looking for the same thing. Gas shock strut of some sort and maybe some mounting suggestions? Come on, some one help out all the Scotts and their RV-4s. -- Scott VanArtsdalen Network Manager Union Safe Deposit Bank 209-946-5116 -----Original Message----- From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com [mailto:BrownScottA(at)aol.com] Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Canopy plunger Listers, What is everyone using for the plunger that holds the RV4 canopy open. Currently I have just a cable (don't like it) I want something that will hold the canopy open even if there is a little wind that may blow the canopy closed. Any suggestions out there please. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4 Canopy plunger
On my RV 4 tip up, I'm using a single gas strut. Mine has this info on it: Gas Spring Company, Colmar, PA. # FEN 117, 172 0. It has a right angle ball joint mtg. bracket on each end and is mounted on the right side of the roll bar and attached to the right center of the canopy frame. I could take a picture and send it to you as far as the installation if that would be of help. Did a brief search for the company but didn't find it. Not sure if they are still around. This came with the kit I purchased from another builder, so don't know if it is original equipment or by the previous builder. I see Van's also has some in their accessory catalog (2002-2003) on pg. 43, part # C609. Not sure if they would work. The barrel on mine is about 3/4" dia with a 3/8" rod. Prox 10" when extended. I didn't measure but this is a close estimate. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com Working on an RV-4 Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2003
Subject: Cleaning anti-scratch canopy coating
In the for what it's worth department, I had a 18 year old canopy with a coating that turned to granite as the first 2003 issue of RVATOR indicated. I first soaked it with hot towels and soapy water to hydrate the coating. Then fired up my trusty 2500 psi high pressure washer. Blasted the coating off. Took 10 minutes and worked great. I had tried rubbing alcohol but that stuff didn't touch it at all. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com Working on an RV-4 Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV4PatA(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 31, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4 Canopy plunger
In a message dated 3/31/3 1:01:30 PM, BrownScottA(at)aol.com writes: <> You can use a table leg brace from the hardware store. Mount it between the roll bar cross brace and the canopy cross brace. It's light and simple and it locks open. Pat Allender RV-4 flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2003
From: "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us>
Subject: Re: RV4 Canopy plunger
I have a scissors link, 3/4 X 1/8 alu. (home depot stock is fine) one pivots from the canopy cross brace just behind the front seat upright and the other attaches to the base of the roll over tube just above the left canopy rail with a large adel clamp. Works fine, once adjusted just so. >>> BrownScottA(at)aol.com 03/31/03 11:59AM >>> Listers, What is everyone using for the plunger that holds the RV4 canopy open. Currently I have just a cable (don't like it) I want something that will hold the canopy open even if there is a little wind that may blow the canopy closed. Any suggestions out there please. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 01, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY...
Dear Listers, The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP) upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1 connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority, 1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance enhancement for all of the List services! Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory, the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the case... ;-) Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when everything is up and running on the new T1 line. Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka, flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement, please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY...
Date: Apr 01, 2003
Matt, Thank you for ALL your on-going work to keep our lists "UP". Unless this is your idea of an "April Fool's" Joke... This will be another (of many) fine improvement that you have self-initiated for all of us listers. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> Subject: RV4-List: Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... > > > Dear Listers, > > The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP) > upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL > connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't > support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I > just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1 > connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority, > 1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance > enhancement for all of the List services! > > Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past > weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This > afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new > router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything > checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them > swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory, > the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the > case... ;-) > > Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we > work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when > everything is up and running on the new T1 line. > > Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these > kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka, > flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these > bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the > yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to > support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement, > please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your > Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even > get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL > is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and > enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Admin. > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nigel Marshall" <n.marshall(at)free.fr>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/01/03
Date: Apr 02, 2003
Does anyone have any photos, or links to photos, showing the placement of engine compartment accessories on the firewall of the RV-4. In particular, where did you place the cabin heat box and the throttle/mixture cable openings? Would you do it differently next time? Nigel Marshall RV-4 #4062 Chevreuse, France ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2003
Subject: RV4 gear reinforcement
About a year ago, I downloaded a picture that shows a reinforcement made to the engine / landing gear assembly. This fix was to make the frame stronger where I believe hard landings caused some buckling of the firewall and crumpled side skins on the fuselage. I have the picture JPG, but no mention of anything else, such as material used etc. Did a lot of poking around on search engines and have not turned up anything on it. My RV4 is a mid 80's with the short gear legs. Anyone else recall this discussion? Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com Working on an RV-4 Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV4 gear reinforcement
Date: Apr 02, 2003
Pat, I had some problems with buckling on my first RV-4, the one I bought (kit bought in early 90's and had the thicker corner weldements). I may have been the one who sent you the pictures (I sent them to about eight different people who inquired on & off-list). Some of the pics are from another gentleman's "fix" and are reinforcements to the fuselage brackets, longerons, etc... My fix (on the RV-4 I built) was a nice & thick (1/4 inch) piece of aluminum about 2 inches wide, mounted across the full width of the center, on the engine side of the firewall (if you want to know all the details, I suppose I could go measure it and try to take a few digital pics. I have put everything back together since I took the original pics, so it won't be as clear/straight forward of shots. Are you having buckles appear? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: <PGLong(at)aol.com> Subject: RV4-List: RV4 gear reinforcement > > About a year ago, I downloaded a picture that shows a reinforcement made to > the engine / landing gear assembly. This fix was to make the frame stronger > where I believe hard landings caused some buckling of the firewall and > crumpled side skins on the fuselage. I have the picture JPG, but no mention > of anything else, such as material used etc. Did a lot of poking around on > search engines and have not turned up anything on it. My RV4 is a mid 80's > with the short gear legs. Anyone else recall this discussion? > > Pat Long > PGLong(at)aol.com > Working on an RV-4 > Bay City, Michigan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 02, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4 gear reinforcement
Hi Chuck, No, your was not the fix I had read about. I would be interested in what you did though. I have not added any reinforcement yet, but am about to. My RV 4 is not quite ready to fly and probably won't for a year or so. The fix I had was on the inside of the firewall. Attached is a picture for what it is worth. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED!
Dear Listers, I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised! Enjoy! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 02, 2003
Subject: [ Fred Stucklen ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
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Date: Apr 03, 2003
From: "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 04/01/03
Nigel, I have a -4 with a recent 0-360 conversion. I intend to take some close in photos next week and send them to you as .jpg files. Bill Gunn RV -4 N252MD. >>> n.marshall(at)free.fr 04/02/03 02:29AM >>> Does anyone have any photos, or links to photos, showing the placement of engine compartment accessories on the firewall of the RV-4. In particular, where did you place the cabin heat box and the throttle/mixture cable openings? Would you do it differently next time? Nigel Marshall RV-4 #4062 Chevreuse, France ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 03, 2003
Subject: Jon Johansen seats
Listers, Does anyone have any idea how much the JJ seats weigh? Does anyone out there have one in their plane? Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom and Faye" <tcrupe(at)ridgenet.net>
Subject: Re: Jon Johansen seats
Date: Apr 03, 2003
Let me send you,as an attachment, the info they sent me. I don't have them, but wish I did. Tom Rupe N3883N ----- Original Message ----- From: <BrownScottA(at)aol.com> Subject: RV4-List: Jon Johansen seats > > Listers, > > Does anyone have any idea how much the JJ seats weigh? Does anyone out there > have one in their plane? > > Scott > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 05, 2003
Subject: Re:Cowl inlet duct
You should rough up the inside of the cowl where the inlet duct goes(With #40 grit sandpaper) and epoxy the duct in place. Use epoxy with cotton mill-ends mixed in. I used a couple of pop rivets from the outside (CS 4-4 ) to be sure they stay there. This has worked well on both of my RV-4's. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 06, 2003
Subject: Re:Cowl inlet duct
I am going to make my inlet removeable so that I can change the air filter and get to the underside of the engine without having to take off the entire canopy. Just me tho. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kenneth Beene" <kbeene(at)citilink.com>
Subject: Horz Stab Attachmen
Date: Apr 06, 2003
I have an early RV-4 kit with a one piece F-410. R3 of Sheet #26 revised this with a change to a F-410 and F-410A. The new F-410A is moved about 2 inches forward of F-410. Was this done for structural reasons or to make installation of the Horz Stab easier? To those that built with the old method - was the old method difficult to attach and level the stab? Thanks, Ken http://www.mninter.net/~kbeene/ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chris-Indira Kleen" <ikcw(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Good source for panel help
Date: Apr 06, 2003
For those who are looking to save yourselves from having to deal with the spaghetti at the back of your instrument panel, I strongly recommend Mark Krueger of Advantage Avionics. Mark has a wealth of experience and knowledge and stands behind his work. He is a great guy and he doesn't know that I'm sending this out. He bundles and wax ties wires so that it is as clean in the back as it is in the front. You get schematic drawings for your panel in the event that anything in the future requires repair. Truly the answer to your avionic needs. Contact info.: (909) 739-7779 Mark(at)AdvantageAvionics.com http://www.AdvantageAvionics.com Chris Kleen N515CW RV-6 - darn near there! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRENIER(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 08, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4 Canopy plunger
Scott, I found a folding bracket made of stainless steel that has a locking button to hold it in the open possition. I simply have to reach behind my head, push the button and fold the canopy down. Works very nice and the bracket only cost a couple of bucks at a surplus store. Ray ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
Subject: Fw: RV Fly in!!!!!
Date: Apr 18, 2003
Hello RV 4ers. A fellow 4 pilot asked that I forward this notice of a RV fly in to the RV4 list, so here it is...... Steve Mullins, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Economics Drury University 417.889.5609 (home) 417.873.7299 (office) > > I'd like to ask your assistance in inviting everyone to come to a Fly-In > for > > all airplanes, but especially for RV's and Rockets. I hope to have the > > largest "unofficial" fly-in for these airplanes outside of Osh, S'nF, and > > Van's Homecoming. Please forward this to all the websites, EAA Chapters, > > and RV Clubs you know. Thanks, LES > > > > MIDWEST RV and ROCKET FLY-IN > > April 26th and 27th Rebel's > Bluff > > Airport (not on the sectional yet) > > > > N37 06.1 W93 52.2 2 miles NNE of > Mt > > Vernon (MISSOURI) Municipal Airport (2MO) > > > > About 30 miles west of Springfield, Missouri, 150 miles south of Kansas > > City, and 150 miles ENE of Tulsa, OK. > > > > 2,200' x 75' Very Nice Sod CTAF 122.9 Av Gas 100LL > available > > for approx $2. (dealer cost) > > > > Special Events Include: Aerobatic demomstration flights, skydivers, and > > some fun events with your airplane. Everyone's invited for Bar-B-Que > > Lunch (please bring a covered dish of potato salad, or cold slaw, or buns, > > chips, cookies. If you are staying overnight, dinner is a cook-it-yursef > > event. You can bring your own meat or we will buy it here. Baked potato, > > and the works. > > > > There is camping on the airstrip, or a motel ($50/couple). If enough > > wives/girlfriends show an interest we will have a special trip arranged to > > the "Precious Moments Chapel" and museum in Carthage, MO. RSVP Ladies! > > > > Sunday morning will have a great breakfast to guaranteed to get you at > least > > halfway home. > > > > Very small donations to defray the cost of food/drinks ONLY will be > > requested. > > > > As you can understand, I really, REALLY need your RSVP to plan this event. > > Please request a motel reservation before April 19th, and please let me > know > > you are coming (if at all possible) before April 24th. Thanks! > > > > Please contact Les Featherston, e-mail at lwfeatherston(at)aol.com or > > 417-466-4663, or 11853 Lawrence 1105, Mt. Vernon, MISSOURI. > > A special e-mail will be sent in response to your RSVP, including motel > > info, flight and airport approach info, and answers to any questions you > may > > have. Send this invitation to anyone you wish to > > join us. The more the merrier. > > And worse case senerio, the RAIN DATE is May 10th. (Bring Mom) > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 26, 2003
Subject: Jon Johanson's seat
Listers, Are there any out there that have the Johansen seat that wants to sell it? Please respond off list. If not are there any listers out there that would want to go in on an order in order to save on shipping costs? I believe that if there are 10 seats ordered that the savings on shipping is substantial. thanks! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 27, 2003
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From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
Date: Apr 30, 2003
Okay, I'll fess up.... I've got tons of "Spare Parts" (I've already given away starters, carbs, ASI's, ELT's, Circuit breakers, etc... for free and still have some left {lots of circuit breakers}). But I've also got a Lycoming O-320 D1A with only 200 hours TTSN (total time since new) comes with Slick-Mags, Precision-Carb, & fuel pump from the factory. It is currently "pickled" in Aero-Shell preservative oil with desiccant plugs (Coalinga, Cal. is very dry, but just being careful) and is stored in my hanger. Asking price is $16-k, new it cost over $23-k, and I think the current prices are even higher. I haven't advertised it anywhere yet because I wasn't in a hurry to sell it, but with the weather improving (& my wife not liking me spending $$ on my current plane), I may put it in Trade-a-Plane and/or on EBAY soon. Chuck daytime phone (559) 935-1525 ext. 139 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill VonDane <bill(at)vondane.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! > --> RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" > > I bought my 1500 hr O320 for $6000 complete including shipping, and the > prop was used but never flow for $450 I think... > > One thing I can say about building on a budget is that it is very easy to > keep it light, and man do these things fly nice when they are light! > > -Bill Vondane - RV-8A > www.vondane.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Bristol" <bj034(at)lafn.org> > To: > Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol > > Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old friends > hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a > destroyed > Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff > myself. > My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of > goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane. > And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the seat > cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of > upholsterer! > > Dave, RV6, So Cal > > > Scott Bilinski wrote: > > > --> RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski > <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com> > > > > I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some > > are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to > > document how this is done. Here is what little I can add: > > > > I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more > > of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have > seen > > hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just > > about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG > > difference in the cost of building. > > > > Anyone else? > > > > Scott Bilinski > > Eng dept 305 > > Phone (858) 657-2536 > > Pager (858) 502-5190 > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 03, 2003
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From: "Tom Kuehne" <tomkuehne(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP!
Date: May 04, 2003
hi chuck, as i can see your new rv 4 is flying, congratulations. its been a while, i miss coming out to coalinga a work on that rv 4. it was a great time, i enjoyed flying with you. hope you and your family is doing good. see ya, sometime..., somewhere.... tom From: "C. Rabaut" <CRABAUT(at)COALINGA.COM> Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:23:41 -0500 -- RV4-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" Okay, I'll fess up.... I've got tons of "Spare Parts" (I've already given away starters, carbs, ASI's, ELT's, Circuit breakers, etc... for free and still have some left {lots of circuit breakers}). But I've also got a Lycoming O-320 D1A with only 200 hours TTSN (total time since new) comes with Slick-Mags, Precision-Carb, fuel pump from the factory. It is currently "pickled" in Aero-Shell preservative oil with desiccant plugs (Coalinga, Cal. is very dry, but just being careful) and is stored in my hanger. Asking price is $16-k, new it cost over $23-k, and I think the current prices are even higher. I haven't advertised it anywhere yet because I wasn't in a hurry to sell it, but with the weather improving ( my wife not liking me spending $$ on my current plane), I may put it in Trade-a-Plane and/or on EBAY soon. Chuck daytime phone (559) 935-1525 ext. 139 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill VonDane <BILL(at)VONDANE.COM> Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! -- RV-List message posted by: "Bill VonDane" I bought my 1500 hr O320 for $6000 complete including shipping, and the prop was used but never flow for $450 I think... One thing I can say about building on a budget is that it is very easy to keep it light, and man do these things fly nice when they are light! -Bill Vondane - RV-8A www.vondane.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Bristol" <BJ034(at)LAFN.ORG> To: Subject: Re: RV-List: BUILDING ON THE CHEAP! -- RV-List message posted by: Dave Bristol Very true Scott, I found my "midtime first overhaul" O-360 in a old friends hangar for 4k! Some instruments from similar sources and a radio from a destroyed Cherokee. The radio was in need of resurrection but I can do that stuff myself. My RV6 came in just under 30k and of course I've put another 6-7k worth of goodies into it since but 29,000+ gave me a fantastic full panel airplane. And the only thing that I paid anyone else to do for me was sewing the seat cushions. I only had one skin of leather and I'm a 50% waste kind of upholsterer! Dave, RV6, So Cal Scott Bilinski wrote: -- RV-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <BILINSKI@KYOCERA-WIRELESS.COM> I have noticed several builders have mentioned the cost of building. Some are in the low 30k range others in the low 20 range!!!! I think we need to document how this is done. Here is what little I can add: I have found that there is real network of people at airports and the more of them you know the cheaper you can build a plane. For example I have seen hundreds of instruments in various hangers which I knowt hey would just about give away. So what I am saying is who you know can make a BIG difference in the cost of building. Anyone else? Scott Bilinski Eng dept 305 Phone (858) 657-2536 Pager (858) 502-5190 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: May 10, 2003
Subject: Re:Closing wings
I had my RV-4 wings on the jig to close the top skins. I was able to do most of the riveting alone. My wife helped with the few I couldn't do alone. I have the best wife in the whole world , all you guys have to settle for 2nd,3rd or somewhere downline !!!! Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: May 11, 2003
Subject: Re:Closing wings
I had my RV-4 wings on the jig to close the top skins. I was able to do most of the riveting alone. My wife helped with the few I couldn't do alone. I have the best wife in the whole world , all you guys have to settle for 2nd,3rd or somewhere downline !!!! Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: May 16, 2003
From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com>
Hello Guy's! I just moved my RV-4 from the Garage to the Hayward Airport to complete the engine and avionics and get this baby in the air. Anyone with a lead on an IO-320 or 360 / and any 2-1/4 inch instruments would be appreciated. Ron Patterson N8ZD (reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 01, 2003
Subject: RV8 vert stab on RV4
Listers, Has anyone out there put an RV8 vert stab on their RV4? I am wondering if it actually helps with directional stability and stops the fish-tailing that RV4's do. Anyone have any thoughts or experiences? Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 01, 2003
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From: GRENIER(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2003
Subject: Re: RV8 vert stab on RV4
Scott, I have both a RV-8 vert and horiz stab on my 4. So far, 40 hours, I'm not aware of any tail swing. However, I never have flown a standard 4. Let me know if you want any more details. Ray Grenier RV-4-8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom and Faye" <tcrupe(at)ridgenet.net>
Subject: Fish tail
Date: Jun 02, 2003
I have had two RV4s, one I built and one I bought. Never heard of fish tailing. Is it something to do with the bigger O360? Tom Rupe SN 62 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 02, 2003
Subject: Re: Fish tail
In a message dated 6/2/2003 9:02:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tcrupe(at)ridgenet.net writes: > I have had two RV4s, one I built and one I bought. Never heard of fish > tailing. Is it something to do with the bigger O360? > > Tom Rupe > SN 62 > > > No,I don't think so at least. Sometimes during turbulence I can feel the tail of the plane wagging back and forth. It is not so noticeable from the front seat, but from the rear it is much more pronounced. I have heard of some people putting RV8 vert stabs on their -4 to minimize this. I am wondering if there are more people out there that have done this and could tell me if there was an appreciable difference. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 02, 2003
From: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fish tail
I've only got 20 hours on my completed RV-4 but I know what he's talking about. In turbulence mine tends to wag it's tail a lot. Faye" I have had two RV4s, one I built and one I bought. Never heard of fish tailing. Is it something to do with the bigger O360? Tom Rupe SN 62 -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you Luke 6:28, NAS --------------------------------- Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WMartensJr(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 03, 2003
Subject: Re: Fish tail
It's a common result of turbulated airflow separating off of a bubble canopy. That's why there is a leading edge strake in front of the vertical stab. Look back at early models of the P-51 and you'll see there was no strake or the P-47. Both aircraft needed that strake for stability from that disrupted airflow. Now, the strake designed in the RV series should compensate enough for most turbulence. If your aircraft is experiencing a "fishtail" action in normal cruise flight you might consider examining the trim. I'd think if you were trimmed at an abnormally or even moderate nose-high situation in normal level cruise it might cause in increased propensity to separate airflow early and increase turbulence. I could be wrong. Just been perusing some old books since this subject came up and this came to mind. It's all difficult to judge though. What you notice as enough to warrant consideration might be normal for the RV fleet. I've only flown in two and as a passenger both times so I'm hardly a definitive source of information. If anyone has experience in multiple RV's or knowledge/skill in this area I'd be interested in learning more. Not because I think there is any problem with RV's in this regard but just cause I'm interested in learning more about the airflows. Regards, Walt PS: Popping back into lurk mode. In a message dated 6/2/2003 10:54:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, svanarts(at)yahoo.com writes: > I've only got 20 hours on my completed RV-4 but I know what he's talking > about. In turbulence mine tends to wag it's tail a lot. > > "Tom and Faye" > > I have had two RV4s, one I built and one I bought. Never heard of fish > tailing. Is it something to do with the bigger O360? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRENIER(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 04, 2003
Subject: Re: Fish tail
I have heard from other that they experienced the motion - described to me as something like the v-tailed Bonanza. Its not why I installed the RV-8 tail however, The original tail the had been completed when I bought the kit had a serious curve in it when I originally mounted it to the fuse. I decided to buy the 8 kit from a local builder who never started it. I think it looks great with the larger tail and it is very stable. Ray N20RG -- 45 hours ________________________________________________________________________________
From: GRENIER(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 04, 2003
Subject: Re: Fish tail
Very interesting. I might be that because my vert stab is several inches higher than the 4 stab, the top might be above the terbulated air. In any event I havn't noticed any wagging even in significant terbulance. Ray RV-4 - 8 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com>
Subject: "Fish Tail"
Date: Jun 04, 2003
To all you folks on the subject of "fish-tailing," there is an excellent article in the July 2003 "Kitplanes" on page 27 that should just about answer all your questions. (Fin and rudder design greatly affect stability......"Wind Tunnel," by Barney Wainfan)................CHEERS!!!! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "rpmiller" <rpmiller(at)1usa.net>
Subject: platenuts
Date: Jun 06, 2003
whats the best way to dimple the spar for plate nuts where you can't get a squeeezer in? I've been using the plate nut and screw. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 19, 2003
From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Slick Slider
Has anyone done a sliding canopy like Francis Butler's for an RV-4? see.... http://www.butler-machinery.com/rv8/rv8.html This looks like it would be terrific on my -4. Ron Patterson RV-4 (fwf) N8ZD (reserved) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 20, 2003
Subject: Re: VENTILATION
Guys, Can anyone tell me where the heck the fresh air vents work the best on a 4? I can't seem to get a real straight answer from the list archives or from any other Rv owners. Could anyone help? This must be a problem for not just me. What does Van's have to say on the subject? I don't need anything too fancy I just want some FRESH AIR! Thanks, Jim Mandeville # 111 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cye Vaughan" <cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com>
Subject: Re: VENTILATION
Date: Jun 20, 2003
Jim- On my recently completed -4 I placed one NACA vent on the left side of the fuselage, about 5" below the top longeron and about 6" forward of the instrument panel bulkhead, and another in the lower surface of the right wing a la RV-8 with 2" ducting into the stick well in the back seat. They work great! The front air system will blow you out unless you restrict it somewhat. I haven't had any passengers yet in the back, but checking the airflow there seems to be more than ample. As an aside, I used some elbows and fittings from a residential central vacuum cleaner system to control the direction of air and keep the bend radius manageable. They work just fine with the 2" duct. Hope this helps. Cye Vaughan Elko Nevada cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: RV4-List: VENTILATION > > > Guys, Can anyone tell me where the heck the fresh air vents work the best on > a 4? > > I can't seem to get a real straight answer from the list archives or > from any other Rv owners. Could anyone help? This must be a problem for not > just me. What does Van's have to say on the subject? I don't need anything too > fancy I just want some FRESH AIR! Thanks, Jim Mandeville # 111 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jun 21, 2003
From: chuck petersen <cat2fly(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/20/03
Look at where they are on the RV8. RV4-List Digest Server wrote:* ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2003-06-20.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2003-06-20.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/20/03: 2 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:34 PM - Re: VENTILATION (FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com) 2. 08:39 PM - Re: VENTILATION (Cye Vaughan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com Subject: Re: RV4-List: VENTILATION Guys, Can anyone tell me where the heck the fresh air vents work the best on a 4? I can't seem to get a real straight answer from the list archives or from any other Rv owners. Could anyone help? This must be a problem for not just me. What does Van's have to say on the subject? I don't need anything too fancy I just want some FRESH AIR! Thanks, Jim Mandeville # 111 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: "Cye Vaughan" Subject: Re: RV4-List: VENTILATION Jim- On my recently completed -4 I placed one NACA vent on the left side of the fuselage, about 5" below the top longeron and about 6" forward of the instrument panel bulkhead, and another in the lower surface of the right wing a la RV-8 with 2" ducting into the stick well in the back seat. They work great! The front air system will blow you out unless you restrict it somewhat. I haven't had any passengers yet in the back, but checking the airflow there seems to be more than ample. As an aside, I used some elbows and fittings from a residential central vacuum cleaner system to control the direction of air and keep the bend radius manageable. They work just fine with the 2" duct. Hope this helps. Cye Vaughan Elko Nevada cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: RV4-List: VENTILATION > > > Guys, Can anyone tell me where the heck the fresh air vents work the best on > a 4? > > I can't seem to get a real straight answer from the list archives or > from any other Rv owners. Could anyone help? This must be a problem for not > just me. What does Van's have to say on the subject? I don't need anything too > fancy I just want some FRESH AIR! Thanks, Jim Mandeville # 111 > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "H.Ivan Haecker" <baremetl(at)gvtc.com>
Subject: Re: VENTILATION
Date: Jun 21, 2003
For the rear seat, I copied the rv-8 and retrofitted with naca duct under right wing feeding 2" ducting to a metal eyeball vent (whose name I can't recall at the moment) mounted in the rear stickwell. For the front seat, I have a 2" duct from the left cowl cooling air opening which runs up across the top of the engine, through the rear baffle, through the firewall to the instument panel where the eyeball vent (black plastic one from Van's) is mounted. Both provide plenty of air flow, and I like being able to point the front one right at my face (it's hot in south TX). The disadvantages of the front vent are two-fold. First, the air is 3-4 degees warmer than the back seat. Second, there is the hole through the firewall which would present a potential problem in the case of an inflight fire. There are no disadvantages for the rear seat set-up that I have found. Ivan Haecker -4 920 hrs. for the front seat ----- Original Message ----- From: <FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: RV4-List: VENTILATION > > > Guys, Can anyone tell me where the heck the fresh air vents work the best on > a 4? > > I can't seem to get a real straight answer from the list archives or > from any other Rv owners. Could anyone help? This must be a problem for not > just me. What does Van's have to say on the subject? I don't need anything too > fancy I just want some FRESH AIR! Thanks, Jim Mandeville # 111 > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com
Date: Jun 22, 2003
Subject: Re: VENTILATION
Dear Cye,Ivan,Gene, I want to thank you for the good ventilation tips and suggestions you sent. I will try to incorporate these into my ship. Keep' em flying! Jim Mandeville RV4 # 111 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <tinmanjj(at)ptd.net>
Subject: Re: Movie
Date: Jun 25, 2003
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From: <dmedema(at)att.net>
Subject: Re: Application
Date: Jun 26, 2003
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Date: Jun 28, 2003
Subject: [ John Starn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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Subject: Re: Movie
Date: Jul 08, 2003
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From: BrownScottA(at)aol.com
Date: Jul 12, 2003
Subject: seats
Hey there listers, I have some seats that I want to sell. The first is a rear Jon Johansen seat. This seat is brand new, I just received it in the mail yesterday. Unfortunately, the way that my -4 was built, it will not fit....But it looks gorgeous!! I will sell it for what I paid for it and I will pick up the shipping. Cost is $450. The other seat is a helicpter seat. This seat I once saw in someone's RV4 (front seat) and it was the most comfortable seat I had ever sat in. He had it mounted in there beautifully. The seat is extremely light (approx 3 lbs). The metal is needs to be painted, or better yet, powdercoated, to make it look just gorgeous. I will sell this seat for $150. I also have some brand new Wemac air vents, anodized black for sale. They have never been installed into an aircraft. I am using 3 in my RV4, and I will have 3 left. I will sell these for $100 each. Please respond off-line to me. Cheers! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
, , ,
Subject: I have an O-320 D1A, 200 hours TTSN, asking $16k
Date: Jul 21, 2003
Hi Guys & Gals, I've got a nice Lycoming O-320 D1A, 200 hours TTSN (total time since new), with factory carb, mags, and more... asking $16-k to a good home, I'm located in Coalinga California (middle of the state), I can't seem to get anyone in this state, everyone who's interested is from "out-of-state". I can deliver within reason. Give me a call or drop me an email if interested. Thanks, Chuck (559) 974-6733 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com>
Subject: Fixed Prop Balancing
Date: Jul 25, 2003
Educate me someone.........Getting some increased vibration on my RV-4, and I am concerned......This is a Sensenich fixed with no damage or strikes, and hasn't been re-pitched or worked on since new...... Not even a rock pock mark......Bolts are tight and torqued......It is installed on a Lycoming 160 HP engine with about 400 hours on the prop, and 1300 hours on the engine. If I hire "prop men" to come out and check it, what is their procedure?......Do they balance it on the aircraft with the engine running?......Pull it and rotate it on some machine like for auto wheels?......How do they check the crankshaft to see if it is the problem?......Do they install weights, and if so, how and where do they mount them? Would appreciate any info from you folks that have experience in this area..........................CHEERS!!!!.................................Gene Smith. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Andy Hawes" <ahawes117503(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fixed Prop Balancing
Date: Jul 26, 2003
Hello Gene, I have a Pitts S-1S that I will probably have "dynamically balanced" in a few weeks for a couple hundered. I know very little about this but from a quick explanation from my hangar mate, Steve Johnson (S2B Advanced Acro guy), he tells me that the airplane is tied down (very strong cable from a fixed anchor to the tailwheel), the engine runup to 2500 RPM for 30 seconds. Sensors are mounted to the airframe, engine mount, engine, etc. looking for some sort of measurment of vibration. There is a range, and they will apply weights to the spinner until the range is at the lower level. You can then come back, remove the spinner, and move the weights to the inside re: aesthetics. Yes, a very crude definition, so you might want to ask some of the pros around here. The ultimate point here being that it might not be just your prop, but perhaps a combination of all that is capable of producing vibrations on your plane. Steve swears by it and has had all his planes done up this way -- very smooth ride in the long run, along with less wear and tear. Hope this helps, Andy Hawes Pitts S1S, Nashville EAA 710092 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Smith" <esmith6(at)satx.rr.com> Subject: RV4-List: Fixed Prop Balancing > > Educate me someone.........Getting some increased vibration on my RV-4, and I am concerned......This is a Sensenich fixed with no damage or strikes, and hasn't been re-pitched or worked on since new...... Not even a rock pock mark......Bolts are tight and torqued......It is installed on a Lycoming 160 HP engine with about 400 hours on the prop, and 1300 hours on the engine. > > If I hire "prop men" to come out and check it, what is their procedure?......Do they balance it on the aircraft with the engine running?......Pull it and rotate it on some machine like for auto wheels?......How do they check the crankshaft to see if it is the problem?......Do they install weights, and if so, how and where do they mount them? > > Would appreciate any info from you folks that have experience in this area..........................CHEERS!!!!.................................Gen e Smith. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 27, 2003
Subject: [ John Starn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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Date: Jul 27, 2003
Subject: [ John Starn ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
, , , , "David - O320 - Shani" ,
Subject: The O-320 D1A has been sold & taken away
Date: Jul 29, 2003
Thanks everyone... I wish I could sell you all an O-320, but I only had one. Ron was the first to reply and true to his word, came and got it. Sooooooo, the only engine I got left for sale is a 75 hp 2 stroke, 4 cylinder, McCullah motor (carb, prop hub, exhaust, & mag included). However I wouldn't recommend it for an RV, because it feels like it only weighs about 75 lbs. I got it in trade from "a friend" who says it was for a Military Drone, it has zero time, and it's used for gyro-planes mostly but they have been mounted on other planes like Sonerai's, Kit Foxes, etc... Hey make an offer, I got no use for it, and I'll let it go cheap (just something else I can tell my wife "I sold it!".... that makes her happy). Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jul 29, 2003
Subject: [ Jim Cone ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com>
Subject: RV4 Kit
Date: Aug 01, 2003
Does anyone have an RV4 kit or even part of one that they want to sell? I want the kit with Van's spars, not Phlogistans. If anyone knows of a kit, please give me a shout offline at scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com. Thanks! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com>

Subject: Helicopter seat
Date: Aug 04, 2003
Listers, I have a very light helicopter seat for sale. Seat probably weighs no more that 3 #s. Very comfortable. I saw one in Dave Gugger's RV4. He did a very nice installation. I sat in his RV4, it was extremely comfortable. I paid $150 for, will sell for $75. Please respond off-line to: scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com Thanks for all the help for the necessary paperwork for experimentals to go to the Bahamas. Cheers! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com>

Subject: Helicopter seat
Date: Aug 04, 2003
Listers, I have a very light helicopter seat for sale. Seat probably weighs no more that 3 #s. Very comfortable. I saw one in Dave Gugger's RV4. He did a very nice installation. I sat in his RV4, it was extremely comfortable. I paid $150 for, will sell for $75. Please respond off-line to: scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com Thanks for all the help for the necessary paperwork for experimentals to go to the Bahamas. Cheers! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com>
Subject: Helicopter seat
Date: Aug 04, 2003
Listers, I have a very light helicopter seat for sale. Seat probably weighs no more that 3 #s. Very comfortable. I saw one in Dave Gugger's RV4. He did a very nice installation. I sat in his RV4, it was extremely comfortable. I paid $150 for, will sell for $75. Please respond off-line to: scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com Thanks for all the help for the necessary paperwork for experimentals to go to the Bahamas. Cheers! Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: <acceltek(at)acceltekservice.com>
Subject: Thank you!
Date: Aug 20, 2003
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From: <jmpcrftr(at)teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Date: Aug 20, 2003
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From: <jgmurphy(at)xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Wicked screensaver
Date: Aug 20, 2003
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From: "Nick N" <rvator(at)nicknaf.com>

Subject: RE: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book
Date: Aug 20, 2003
I've notice the same thing. I try to do a decent job of protecting my systems, yet somehow 2 worms got in. I used a program call SysClean to clean it back up. If you want a copy, go to Google and do a search or you can Download it from me directly. http://www.nicknaf.com/files/sysClean.zip Its freeware from the manufacture (sorry, don't remember the name off hand) so there should NOT be a problem with distribution. Nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo Subject: RV-List: Worm attack on members address book --> RV-List message posted by: "Tom Gummo" NON RV Related I have to assume that the five or six emails a day that I have been getting from the RV List lately that contain only the line: **************** Please see the attached file for details. **************** are because the member's computer has been attacked by the worm that very one is talking about. I know the List removes any attached files. Hopefully, you haven't gotten any from me (I rather to lucky than good). Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA 92307 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Aug 30, 2003
Subject: [ George McNutt ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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From: "Glenn P. Wilkinson" <gpw(at)accucomm.net>
Subject: 3-blade fixed Catto prop
Date: Sep 10, 2003
Hey guys: I m interested in buying a 3 blade fixed Catto prop for my RV-4 using an O-320-D1A and would like to talk to someone who is using this combination or has experience with this prop design. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Glenn RV-4 N654RV @ MLJ (Milledgeville, GA) ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ron Rosenberg" <ronr(at)medicalpmrg.com>
Subject: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/10/03
Date: Sep 11, 2003
Glen: I had a Catto 2-blade on my RV3. It was underpitched and I traded up to a 3-blade. It was hung on the RV3 last week, but we haven't flown yet. A friend of mine with a Glassair and a 200hp Lyc traded out his Hatzell CS for a 3-blade Catto. He loves it!! Very smooth and 210mph top speed with good climb. Check back in two weeks and I'll let you know how my RV3 does with the 3-blade. Ron Rosenberg, PA, MPH Practice Management Resource Group San Francisco, Chicago, Washington, DC, New York (415)925-4334 www.medicalpmrg.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of RV4-List Digest Server Subject: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 09/10/03 * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2003-09-10.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2003-09-10.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/10/03: 1 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:27 PM - 3-blade fixed Catto prop (Glenn P. Wilkinson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: "Glenn P. Wilkinson" <gpw(at)accucomm.net> Subject: RV4-List: 3-blade fixed Catto prop Hey guys: I m interested in buying a 3 blade fixed Catto prop for my RV-4 using an O-320-D1A and would like to talk to someone who is using this combination or has experience with this prop design. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Glenn RV-4 N654RV @ MLJ (Milledgeville, GA) ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 13, 2003
Subject: [ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 14, 2003
Subject: Crack in prop hub bore
Hi Group I just posted a picture of the crack that is seen in my prop hub bore. Sure would like some opinions as to if this is airworthy or not. Crack is in both sides and radiate towards each tip. Don't think they are deep or even rob any necessary strength but then again, a prop specialist I am not. Thought about trying to fill with some thin epoxy. What do you think? Click on the picture at this address for a close up. http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html Thanks, Pat Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N924PL (reserved) Working on an RV4 (Just got the wings on!) Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Crack in prop hub bore
Date: Sep 14, 2003
Pat, I've worked around numerous wooden props in my 25+ years of aircraft maintenance and have always been taught that any crack, no matter how small, is no good. A crack cannot be repaired and then the prop be rebalanced. You don't want to sling a blade at 300 feet, or at any altitude. It is my opinion that you should engrave "Not Airworthy" on the hub and retire it to the wall above the fireplace. Better safe than sorry. Ross Scroggs, A&P RV4 3911 Wings Conyers, Ga. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PGLong(at)aol.com> Subject: RV4-List: Crack in prop hub bore > > Hi Group > > I just posted a picture of the crack that is seen in my prop hub bore. Sure > would like some opinions as to if this is airworthy or not. Crack is in both > sides and radiate towards each tip. Don't think they are deep or even rob any > necessary strength but then again, a prop specialist I am not. Thought about > trying to fill with some thin epoxy. What do you think? Click on the picture at > this address for a close up. > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html > > Thanks, Pat > > > Pat Long > PGLong(at)aol.com > N924PL (reserved) > Working on an RV4 (Just got the wings on!) > Bay City, Michigan > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "RV4Joe" <rv4joe(at)sofnet.com>
Subject: Re: Crack in prop hub bore
Date: Sep 14, 2003
Or retire it into the fireplace. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs(at)comcast.net> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Crack in prop hub bore > > Pat, > I've worked around numerous wooden props in my 25+ years of aircraft > maintenance and have > always been taught that any crack, no matter how small, is no good. A crack > cannot be repaired > and then the prop be rebalanced. You don't want to sling a blade at 300 > feet, or at any altitude. > It is my opinion that you should engrave "Not Airworthy" on the hub and > retire it to the wall above > the fireplace. Better safe than sorry. > > Ross Scroggs, A&P > RV4 3911 Wings > Conyers, Ga. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <PGLong(at)aol.com> > To: > Subject: RV4-List: Crack in prop hub bore > > > > > > Hi Group > > > > I just posted a picture of the crack that is seen in my prop hub bore. > Sure > > would like some opinions as to if this is airworthy or not. Crack is in > both > > sides and radiate towards each tip. Don't think they are deep or even rob > any > > necessary strength but then again, a prop specialist I am not. Thought > about > > trying to fill with some thin epoxy. What do you think? Click on the > picture at > > this address for a close up. > > > > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html > > > > Thanks, Pat > > > > > > Pat Long > > PGLong(at)aol.com > > N924PL (reserved) > > Working on an RV4 (Just got the wings on!) > > Bay City, Michigan > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Sep 15, 2003
Subject: New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics...
Dear Listers, I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-) The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent solution. I will post a follow up message later in the week when things have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: FLYBOYRV4(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 15, 2003
Subject: Re: [ Pat Long ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
In a message dated 9/13/03 3:12:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pictures(at)matronics.com writes: > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/PGLong@aol.com.09.13.2003/index.html Pat, I also have a pacesetter prop and have never seen any cracks in mine, not to say there are none at the present time as I have not checked it lately. The crack looks to me a stress relief one as it follows along different laminations. The Pacesetter co. is no longer so I would ask around for a prop shop to inspect it. Hope you can salvage it as the pacesetter seems to me a good prop for the RV's. Good luck, James Mandeville RV4 # 111 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom and Faye" <tcrupe(at)ridgenet.net>
Subject: Crack in prop hub bore
Date: Sep 17, 2003
I have a prop with a stress crack from one of the bolt holes to the bore in the outside laminate. I boxed it up and put in the attic. If I ever damage a prop away from home my wife can mail it to me. Tom Rupe N3882N ________________________________________________________________________________
From: DFCPAC(at)aol.com
Date: Sep 17, 2003
Subject: Re: Crack in prop hub bore
pat i've been using a catto prop. works very well. it's a wood prop covered with fiberglass layers and resin. comes painted in diffrent colors. rob told me about it. he has a web site. Catto Home dan carley ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 20, 2003
Subject: [ Ken Brooks ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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Date: Sep 21, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems
For Some Members...? Dear Listers, Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great! While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked. If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason, then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email and directs your message directly to me. Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem. The Trouble Report Website URL is: http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/ I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible. Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics EMail List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tom and Faye" <tcrupe(at)ridgenet.net>
Subject: Canopy replacement.
Date: Sep 22, 2003
I need to replace my canopy and I was wondering if any RV4 listers have gone through that nightmare a second time. I'm hopping to reuse the canopy frame and maybe the front skin since it goes under the Plexiglas. Any advice or insight about this task would be greatly appreciated. Tom Rupe N3882N S/N 62 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 27, 2003
Subject: [ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> Subject: Corrosion Inside Fuel Tank Cap http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com.09.27.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Sep 28, 2003
Subject: [ Henry Hore ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Henry Hore <elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com> Subject: Rivet-gun double off-set holder for one hand operation. http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/elsa-henry@darlor-watch.com.09.28.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Wing Fairing choice
Date: Oct 02, 2003
My first RV-4 had the flat metal fairing with "Y" Channel. I used the glas/metal on the second one but I like the all metal much better. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X My first RV-4 had the flat metal fairing with "Y" Channel. I used the glas/metal on the second one but I like the all metal much better. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 03, 2003
Subject: Re: >Re:Wing Fairing Choice
-------------------------------1065189332 I used .025 for the fairings. I believe Van's sent a couple of trim strips in the kit. I went from the heavy skin on the bottom to the trailing edge of the flaps. My neighbor got these fairing strips with his RV-6A finish kit. Bob Olds -------------------------------1065189332 tutf-8"> I used .025 for the fairings. I believe Van's sent a couple of trim strips in the kit. I went from the heavy skin on the bottom to the trailing edge of the flaps. My neighbor got these fairing strips with his RV-6A finish kit. Bob Olds -------------------------------1065189332-- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Super 4 ???
Date: Oct 03, 2003
----- Original Message ----- From: C. Rabaut <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Transponder antenna mounted inside cowl? > --> RV-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Jim, > > Whatcha' buildin'.... an RV-4 that will pull +10/-10 G's ???? > > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LeastDrag93066(at)aol.com> > > > > Jim Ayers > > RV4 fuselage on the gear with John Harmon's mod kit > > No compromise - Maximum antenna performance with no drag > > Internal skin doublers based on Structural Repair Manuals from McDonnell > > Douglas and Boeing. > > > > -------------------------------1065157346 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RUSSnHEDY(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 09, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 10/06/03
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Date: Oct 12, 2003
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord at a 25% Cost Savings
rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com I have access to "Brand New" (in original packaging) MIL-T-43435B Lacing Cord, Type 2 (Polyester / Hi Temp), Finish C (Synthetic Rubber or Elastomer, NOT Waxed), Size 3 (50 lb min strength; 0.085" wide x 0.014" thick). This Cord is used extensively by avionic shops and airframe manufacturers to tie individual electrical wires into bundles for their avionics, etc. * Least expensive way to make wire bundles. * Will not cut into wires like Dental Floss used by some Builders, as it is "flat". * Higher Temp rating (-73 Deg C to 177 Deg C) than Type 1 (-55 Deg C to 121 Deg C) that is sold by Aircraft Spruce and Chief Aircraft for $21 per Spool. * Each Spool contains 500 yards of White or Blue Polyester Cord. (Share with other Builders.) * Excellent "Knot" retention. * See: www.versatileindustrial.com/gudebrod.html for additional info / pictures. * Will sell for $15 per Spool - includes shipping in the US. If interested E-Mail me off line at - gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com Video Attachment Garey Wittich has sent you a video. Please go to http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/mf/spotlife/o?.auth=J1X2HgMJ9RN8GSoUSNHJhA--&id= document.Compose.To.focus(); document.Compose.ATT.value = to view the video. __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Marshall, Nigel" <n.marshall(at)free.fr>
Subject: fiberglass gear leg fairing
Date: Oct 16, 2003
Got these parts the other week - they are moulded one-piece with a very smooth finish, wrapping around the leading edge, with the trailing edge open to be secured with piano hinge. I would think they will be much easier to fit than the previous model. On another topic, what type of fitting did you all use to run the the main battery cable through the firewall to the starter ?; whereabouts on the firewall did you make the opening? Rgds Nigel Marshall RV4 Chevreuse, France From: PGLong(at)aol.com Subject: RV4-List: RV 4 gear leg fairing I just found out that Van's is now using fiberglass gear leg fairing instead of the aluminum ones that came with my older kit. I'm wondering if they are molded top and bottom and how they are attached to the leg and pants. I have the two piece wheel pants and aluminum "V" shaped piece that would take a lot of work to fit and fair. Has anyone used these on an RV4? Just about ready to tackle this job but if there is a better way, I'm all ears. Thanks for your help. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N924PL (reserved) Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 16, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: fiberglass gear leg fairing
Hi Marshall; I don't have any starter wires going through the firewall, I mounted my small Odyessy battery in front of the firewall. It's located on the right top side of the "shelf/rudder pedal recess" underneath the cowling. I needed the weight up front with my lightweight composite prop and I made my battery "hole" in the cockpit into a storage compartment with a hinged door on top. If I did rout it through the firewall I would use the Cessna method with a fixed grommet around the hole and conduit around the wire. Good Luck... RR "Marshall, Nigel" wrote: Got these parts the other week - they are moulded one-piece with a very smooth finish, wrapping around the leading edge, with the trailing edge open to be secured with piano hinge. I would think they will be much easier to fit than the previous model. On another topic, what type of fitting did you all use to run the the main battery cable through the firewall to the starter ?; whereabouts on the firewall did you make the opening? Rgds Nigel Marshall RV4 Chevreuse, France From: PGLong(at)aol.com Subject: RV4-List: RV 4 gear leg fairing I just found out that Van's is now using fiberglass gear leg fairing instead of the aluminum ones that came with my older kit. I'm wondering if they are molded top and bottom and how they are attached to the leg and pants. I have the two piece wheel pants and aluminum "V" shaped piece that would take a lot of work to fit and fair. Has anyone used these on an RV4? Just about ready to tackle this job but if there is a better way, I'm all ears. Thanks for your help. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N924PL (reserved) Bay City, Michigan --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 17, 2003
Subject: Re: >Re:RV-4 Gear Leg Fairings
Smoky Ray; Does your RV-4 have the short or long main gear legs? I had shimmy problems with my short gear legs but no problems with the long gear legs. I really like the short gear better, for taxi visibility and ability to touch-down with tail wheel first. I like the @#$& fibreglas fairings very well. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 18, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: >Re:RV-4 Gear Leg Fairings
Hi Bob. I have the short gear legs.For going into two of the less than 1000' long strips I frequent, I like them. I did alot of takeoff and landings on the short (950') with the 180 C/S RV4 (I delivered it recently for a friend) during rigging. It has what I believe is the best stol combo, the short gear and 180 C/S. The prop really makes it nice for slowing down to land and very short takeoffs big climb rates. I still like the lean look of the metal gear fairings...see ya! RR Oldsfolks(at)aol.com wrote: Smoky Ray; Does your RV-4 have the short or long main gear legs? I had shimmy problems with my short gear legs but no problems with the long gear legs. I really like the short gear better, for taxi visibility and ability to touch-down with tail wheel first. I like the @#$& fibreglas fairings very well. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WMartensJr(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 19, 2003
Subject: Re: [PLEASE READ!] AOL Blocking All Email From Matronics.Com...
Matt, Actually, no amount of contacts from AOL members will get this fixed. The list administrator needs to contact AOL Network Operations and speak with the Mail analyst to clear Matronics as a valid listserv and not a spammer. Also, I would inquire about the complaints. They may be lazy people who have not removed themselves from the listserv correctly and so filed a complaint. As for contacting NetOps, I'm searching down some old phone numbers for you now. I know it's on their web site I just never had to locate it from the outside before. I used to work at that Mail Analyst station and this isn't that uncommon a situation. A valid listserv is running along fine and then the AOL Spam Jammer cuts in because of complaints or volume of emails. A phone call, a few changes on the master Munge list and all is back to normal. Like I said, I'll keep searching around for those contact numbers and get them to you. I haven't needed them in over a year. Walt In a message dated 10/19/2003 10:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, dralle(at)roxanne.llnl.gov writes: > Dear Matronics EMail List Members, > > I have just discovered that AOL.COM has started blocking all incoming > email from the Matronics.com domain at least 3 days ago and perhaps > longer. Consequently, all email List mail from Lists such as the > RV-List, Zenith-List, Kolb-List, and Aeroelectric-List have not > successfully delivered to you. AOL's block of the Matronics.Com domain > has been in place at least 3 days, perhaps much longer. Here is the > gist of AOLs failed mail return: > > <<<554-(RLY:B1) The information presently available to AOL indicates > this > <<<554-server is generating high volumes of member complaints from > AOL's > <<<554-member base. Based on AOL's Unsolicited Bulk E-mail policy at > <<<554-http://www.aol.com/info/bulkemail.html AOL may not accept > further > <<<554-e-mail transactions from this server or domain. For more > information, > <<<554 please visit http://postmaster.info.aol.com. > > Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be anyway for me, as the System > blocking incoming email. > > This is where I, and all of the other AOL members, need your help. > Please contact AOL as soon as possible and indicate that Matronics.Com > is NOT a spammer nor is it an unsolicited bulk email site. The only > way AOL is going to unblock Matronics.Com is if a whole lot of AOL > members speak out about this injustice. > > I have included a couple AOL contact methods below. Please use one or > both of them to make your voice heard. There are nearly 1000 AOL > members on the Matronics email lists. If all of your speak, AOL will > listen... > > Ask AOL to: > > > "Please unblock incoming email from the Matronics.Com domain > to AOL email addresses. Matronics.Com is not a spam site. > Matronics.Com is a legitimate, subscription-based aircraft email > forum site. Matronics.Com does not send unsolicited Bulk E-Mail > to AOL members or any other persons. > > I will be forced to cancel my subscription to AOL if incoming > email is not allowed from the Matronics.Com Domain." > > > Ways to contact AOL: > > Web-based Form: http://www.aol.com/info/feedback.adp > > AOL Member Services: 1-800-827-6364 > > > Please act now, as the only way AOL will unblock is if its members get > angry and motivated to resolve the issue. Thank you for your help in > this matter! > > Please note that I have had to send this email from a different, > non-matronics.com email account for obvious reasons. > > Thank you for your support! > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
Subject: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03
Date: Oct 20, 2003
Hello all, I am in desperate need of advice. I have been running auto fuel in my 0-290 powered 4 for three years with no problems until recently. Fuel pressure starts to fluctuate and drop once temps come up. I switch back to avgas tank and things return to normal. Is this likely vapor lock? Are there other auto gas issues I need to be aware of? Prior to this recent development, the engine runs just as good with either fuel. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 20, 2003
Subject: Re;Auto Fuel in O-290 Engine
It sounds as though you may be getting mogas with some alcohol or propane added. Do you test the mogas for alcohol? I use a small bottle with a marked amount of water/ then fill with the mogas and shake it up. After it sits for awhile the water will show slightly more if there is alcohol present. If the water level is the same,no alcohol. I have used mogas for years with 20-25% 100 LL mixed in to give me leaded gas. I have had no problems that I hadn't had with straight 100 LL. If the plane sits in the sun and the fuel gets hot you'll have vapor-lock. That's why you have an electric aux. fuel pump. My opinion,for what it's worth, Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Ross Scroggs" <rscroggs(at)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03
Date: Oct 20, 2003
Steve, Is it possible that the tank with the auto fuel has it's fuel tank vent partially plugged? That could be the reason for the drop in fuel pressure. In flight, while running on auto fuel, watch for any change in the appearance of the tank skins compared to the tank with 100LL. The auto fuel tank may be getting sucked in which may be visible. Do you have sloshing compound in your tanks? If so, it could be releasing and plugging up the tank pickup. Good luck, Ross Scroggs RV-4-#3911 Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu> Subject: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 > > Hello all, > > I am in desperate need of advice. I have been running auto fuel in my 0-290 > powered 4 for three years with no problems until recently. Fuel pressure > starts to fluctuate and drop once temps come up. I switch back to avgas tank > and things return to normal. Is this likely vapor lock? Are there other auto > gas issues I need to be aware of? Prior to this recent development, the > engine runs just as good with either fuel. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03
Ross, next time the you try it (at a safe altitude) turn on the boost pump and see what the pressure does. I agree that it could be a vent or line problem as well. One easy way to tell would be to switch tanks, 100LL in the suspect, MoGas in the other...I am well past 1000 hours of MoGas use with not one complaint except the smell... RR Ross Scroggs wrote: Steve, Is it possible that the tank with the auto fuel has it's fuel tank vent partially plugged? That could be the reason for the drop in fuel pressure. In flight, while running on auto fuel, watch for any change in the appearance of the tank skins compared to the tank with 100LL. The auto fuel tank may be getting sucked in which may be visible. Do you have sloshing compound in your tanks? If so, it could be releasing and plugging up the tank pickup. Good luck, Ross Scroggs RV-4-#3911 Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mullins" Subject: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 > > Hello all, > > I am in desperate need of advice. I have been running auto fuel in my 0-290 > powered 4 for three years with no problems until recently. Fuel pressure > starts to fluctuate and drop once temps come up. I switch back to avgas tank > and things return to normal. Is this likely vapor lock? Are there other auto > gas issues I need to be aware of? Prior to this recent development, the > engine runs just as good with either fuel. > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
Subject: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03
Date: Oct 22, 2003
I have tried the boost pump, and it brings the pressure back up, but it still fluctuates much more than when on the avgas tank. So does this tell me it is vaporlock? I am leaning toward the vapor lock explanation cause it has been unusually warm here, and I have been told that the gas companies switched to their 'winter blend' at the beginning of October. Wahtcha think? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob ray Subject: Re: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 Ross, next time the you try it (at a safe altitude) turn on the boost pump and see what the pressure does. I agree that it could be a vent or line problem as well. One easy way to tell would be to switch tanks, 100LL in the suspect, MoGas in the other...I am well past 1000 hours of MoGas use with not one complaint except the smell... RR Ross Scroggs wrote: Steve, Is it possible that the tank with the auto fuel has it's fuel tank vent partially plugged? That could be the reason for the drop in fuel pressure. In flight, while running on auto fuel, watch for any change in the appearance of the tank skins compared to the tank with 100LL. The auto fuel tank may be getting sucked in which may be visible. Do you have sloshing compound in your tanks? If so, it could be releasing and plugging up the tank pickup. Good luck, Ross Scroggs RV-4-#3911 Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mullins" Subject: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 > > Hello all, > > I am in desperate need of advice. I have been running auto fuel in my 0-290 > powered 4 for three years with no problems until recently. Fuel pressure > starts to fluctuate and drop once temps come up. I switch back to avgas tank > and things return to normal. Is this likely vapor lock? Are there other auto > gas issues I need to be aware of? Prior to this recent development, the > engine runs just as good with either fuel. > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 22, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03
Probably a good call on vaporlock. Try mixing the MoGas 50/50 with 100LL and see what happens. If the problem disappears, it was a strong possibility it was Vapor lock. I run a 75/25 (auto/av) mix now with good results. I asked my Amoco station guy here in AL and he said they don't go to a winter blend until January-Feb. RR Steve Mullins wrote: I have tried the boost pump, and it brings the pressure back up, but it still fluctuates much more than when on the avgas tank. So does this tell me it is vaporlock? I am leaning toward the vapor lock explanation cause it has been unusually warm here, and I have been told that the gas companies switched to their 'winter blend' at the beginning of October. Wahtcha think? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of rob ray Subject: Re: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 Ross, next time the you try it (at a safe altitude) turn on the boost pump and see what the pressure does. I agree that it could be a vent or line problem as well. One easy way to tell would be to switch tanks, 100LL in the suspect, MoGas in the other...I am well past 1000 hours of MoGas use with not one complaint except the smell... RR Ross Scroggs wrote: Steve, Is it possible that the tank with the auto fuel has it's fuel tank vent partially plugged? That could be the reason for the drop in fuel pressure. In flight, while running on auto fuel, watch for any change in the appearance of the tank skins compared to the tank with 100LL. The auto fuel tank may be getting sucked in which may be visible. Do you have sloshing compound in your tanks? If so, it could be releasing and plugging up the tank pickup. Good luck, Ross Scroggs RV-4-#3911 Wings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Mullins" Subject: RV4-List: RE: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 10/19/03 > > Hello all, > > I am in desperate need of advice. I have been running auto fuel in my 0-290 > powered 4 for three years with no problems until recently. Fuel pressure > starts to fluctuate and drop once temps come up. I switch back to avgas tank > and things return to normal. Is this likely vapor lock? Are there other auto > gas issues I need to be aware of? Prior to this recent development, the > engine runs just as good with either fuel. > > --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2003
From: N223RV(at)aol.com
Subject: Dynon Magnetometer Location
Has anyone installed a Dynon magnetometer in a -4? If so, where is a good location that seems to work? I'm having trouble finding a good spot that is away from ferrous material. The only place I can find is way back in the hell hole, but I still don't have 2' from any ferrous material. Any suggestions? -Mike Kraus N223RV flying ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 23, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dynon Magnetometer Location
Mike. I saw one in Waco this year with the remote compass sender under the front seat in front of the spar. He built a small mount for it and hollowed out his seat cushion accordingly while running the wire under the floorboard... RR N223RV(at)aol.com wrote: Has anyone installed a Dynon magnetometer in a -4? If so, where is a good location that seems to work? I'm having trouble finding a good spot that is away from ferrous material. The only place I can find is way back in the hell hole, but I still don't have 2' from any ferrous material. Any suggestions? -Mike Kraus N223RV flying --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
Subject: Autogas
Date: Oct 23, 2003
I want to thank you all for the many great suggestions regarding my mogas problems. I am pretty sure vapor lock is the source. Any ideas about how to better protect/insulate the mechanical fuel pump on my 0-290 from heat? I have two blast tubes routing air to it. Are there materials that can be used to fabricate some sort of insulating 'cocoon'around the pump? ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 24, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Autogas
I got mine from an aircraft salvage yard right off a Cherokee 140. It's a shroud with a 1" scat fitting on it. Works great. You also could run a blast tube right to it from the baffling, should work fine. The most importatnt consideration is the fuel line proximity to exhaust pipes. Try to shield them if possible. You can get shields out of Aircraft Spruce...Also in the back of the RV4 builders manual is the drawing for a vapor return line system for your fuel lines... RR Steve Mullins wrote: I want to thank you all for the many great suggestions regarding my mogas problems. I am pretty sure vapor lock is the source. Any ideas about how to better protect/insulate the mechanical fuel pump on my 0-290 from heat? I have two blast tubes routing air to it. Are there materials that can be used to fabricate some sort of insulating 'cocoon'around the pump? --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 24, 2003
Subject: Re: >Re:Auto Gas
I hope you have an electric auxiliary fuel boost pump in your plane. With the aux. pump ON the fuel line is pressurized to the engine driven pump and vapor lock incidence is minimized. A facet 3-4 pound pump is right for carbureted engines. You don't want to insulate the engine driven pump - it gets heat transfer from the engine case. As Rob said,you want blast air to cool the pump. My opinion, Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: >Re:Auto Gas
Date: Oct 24, 2003
----- Original Message ----- From: <Oldsfolks(at)aol.com> Subject: RV4-List: >Re:Auto Gas > > I hope you have an electric auxiliary fuel boost pump in your plane. With the > aux. pump ON the fuel line is pressurized to the engine driven pump and vapor > lock incidence is minimized. > A facet 3-4 pound pump is right for carbureted engines. > You don't want to insulate the engine driven pump - it gets heat transfer > from the engine case. As Rob said,you want blast air to cool the pump. > My opinion, > > > Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor > RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now > Charleston, Arkansas > "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: >Re:Auto Gas
Date: Oct 24, 2003
----- Original Message ----- From: <Oldsfolks(at)aol.com> Subject: RV4-List: >Re:Auto Gas > > I hope you have an electric auxiliary fuel boost pump in your plane. With the > aux. pump ON the fuel line is pressurized to the engine driven pump and vapor > lock incidence is minimized. > A facet 3-4 pound pump is right for carbureted engines. > You don't want to insulate the engine driven pump - it gets heat transfer > from the engine case. As Rob said,you want blast air to cool the pump. > My opinion, > > > Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor > RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now > Charleston, Arkansas > "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 25, 2003
From: Whiteside(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: >Re:Auto Gas
I agree! Min rest here with ATA. Getting a line chk again today. Yesterday went perfect, I flew. Great leg. Now if I can just remember how to run the FMC........ Oh yeah and I was 25 minutes late for my show, nice.......... I'll call tonight. Will ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: >Re:Auto Gas
Date: Oct 25, 2003
----- Original Message ----- From: <Whiteside(at)aol.com> Subject: Re: RV4-List: >Re:Auto Gas > > > I agree! > Min rest here with ATA. > Getting a line chk again today. Yesterday went perfect, I flew. Great leg. > Now if I can just remember how to run the FMC........ > Oh yeah and I was 25 minutes late for my show, nice.......... > I'll call tonight. > Will > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Scott Brown" <scottbrown(at)precisionjet.com>
Subject: metal spinner
Date: Oct 29, 2003
Does anyone with an RV4 have a hartzell spinner with a 360 engine and hartzell CS 2 bladed prop? I am looking for the part number so that I can order the spinner. Please respond off-list. Scott ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Date: Oct 29, 2003
Now ya done it, lets see the F-4C had two J79's at 17,000 EACH that's 34,000# of thurst and that was a "C' model. Ole "Gummi" will have exact figures. "It ain't whats ya got, it's hous ya use it". "Check" Do Not Archive Why yes I still do work on HRII N561FS, making it smooth and pretty and getting for........paint. 8*) KABONG Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > Rocket SCHMOCKET...I'm a 150hp RV-4 driver who is fortunate enough to fly F16's for a living...Wanna talk horsepower dude, how about 28,000 lbs of thrust Rocket boy!!! I got cha "rocket" right heah! ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Date: Oct 29, 2003
Greetings Fellas, Don't know many of you but, 34,000 lbs of thrust (not horsepower, F-16 guy) ain't jack! Try 30,200lbs of thrust .... per side, Baby. That's right! .... Former Tomcat guy just chiming in. Fly safe, all, Lando N102GW, 150hp RV-4 Buff drivers need not respond. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn(at)verizon.net> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > Now ya done it, lets see the F-4C had two J79's at 17,000 EACH that's > 34,000# of thurst and that was a "C' model. Ole "Gummi" will have exact > figures. "It ain't whats ya got, it's hous ya use it". "Check" Do Not > Archive Why yes I still do work on HRII N561FS, making it smooth and > pretty and getting for........paint. 8*) KABONG > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > Rocket SCHMOCKET...I'm a 150hp RV-4 driver who is fortunate enough to fly > F16's for a living...Wanna talk horsepower dude, how about 28,000 lbs of > thrust Rocket boy!!! I got cha "rocket" right heah! > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Whiteside(at)aol.com
Date: Oct 29, 2003
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Oh God! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Tomcats need all that thrust to carry all that excess WEIGHT.....try 28,000 in a 19,000 lb airplane....baby. OK, to make it proportional for an RV you would need about 1000 hp in a 950 lb airplane...plus or minus... RR Hank Landman wrote: Greetings Fellas, Don't know many of you but, 34,000 lbs of thrust (not horsepower, F-16 guy) ain't jack! Try 30,200lbs of thrust .... per side, Baby. That's right! .... Former Tomcat guy just chiming in. Fly safe, all, Lando N102GW, 150hp RV-4 Buff drivers need not respond. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > Now ya done it, lets see the F-4C had two J79's at 17,000 EACH that's > 34,000# of thurst and that was a "C' model. Ole "Gummi" will have exact > figures. "It ain't whats ya got, it's hous ya use it". "Check" Do Not > Archive Why yes I still do work on HRII N561FS, making it smooth and > pretty and getting for........paint. 8*) KABONG > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > Rocket SCHMOCKET...I'm a 150hp RV-4 driver who is fortunate enough to fly > F16's for a living...Wanna talk horsepower dude, how about 28,000 lbs of > thrust Rocket boy!!! I got cha "rocket" right heah! > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Date: Oct 30, 2003
...ah the age old arguments: Air Superiority vs Point Defense and carrier based vs land based fighters. I don't think we'll solve that one here. On a more friendly and serious note... Does anyone out there need to have any new ideas for speed mods wind tunnel tested. My brother is an aeroengineering professor and is looking for a project for some of his grad students to test in a full scale wind tunnel. Any of you speed demons out there contact me directly at pukndg(at)mindspring.com. Cheers, Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob ray" <smokyray(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > Tomcats need all that thrust to carry all that excess WEIGHT.....try 28,000 in a 19,000 lb airplane....baby. > OK, to make it proportional for an RV you would need about 1000 hp in a 950 lb airplane...plus or minus... > > > RR > > Hank Landman wrote: > > > Greetings Fellas, > > Don't know many of you but, 34,000 lbs of thrust (not horsepower, F-16 guy) > ain't jack! Try 30,200lbs of thrust .... per side, Baby. That's right! .... > > Former Tomcat guy just chiming in. > Fly safe, all, > > Lando > N102GW, 150hp RV-4 > > Buff drivers need not respond. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: ; "rocket-list" > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > Now ya done it, lets see the F-4C had two J79's at 17,000 EACH that's > > 34,000# of thurst and that was a "C' model. Ole "Gummi" will have exact > > figures. "It ain't whats ya got, it's hous ya use it". "Check" Do Not > > Archive Why yes I still do work on HRII N561FS, making it smooth and > > pretty and getting for........paint. 8*) KABONG > > > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > > > > > Rocket SCHMOCKET...I'm a 150hp RV-4 driver who is fortunate enough to > fly > > F16's for a living...Wanna talk horsepower dude, how about 28,000 lbs of > > thrust Rocket boy!!! I got cha "rocket" right heah! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 30, 2003
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: 1/4" - 28 Threaded Shank Drill Bits / Scotch-Brite Wheels -
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Date: Oct 31, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy
Cool. Sounds fun, I always wanted to fly my airplane inside a building...ha! RR Hank Landman wrote: ...ah the age old arguments: Air Superiority vs Point Defense and carrier based vs land based fighters. I don't think we'll solve that one here. On a more friendly and serious note... Does anyone out there need to have any new ideas for speed mods wind tunnel tested. My brother is an aeroengineering professor and is looking for a project for some of his grad students to test in a full scale wind tunnel. Any of you speed demons out there contact me directly at pukndg(at)mindspring.com. Cheers, Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "rob ray" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > Tomcats need all that thrust to carry all that excess WEIGHT.....try 28,000 in a 19,000 lb airplane....baby. > OK, to make it proportional for an RV you would need about 1000 hp in a 950 lb airplane...plus or minus... > > > RR > > Hank Landman wrote: > > > Greetings Fellas, > > Don't know many of you but, 34,000 lbs of thrust (not horsepower, F-16 guy) > ain't jack! Try 30,200lbs of thrust .... per side, Baby. That's right! .... > > Former Tomcat guy just chiming in. > Fly safe, all, > > Lando > N102GW, 150hp RV-4 > > Buff drivers need not respond. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN STARN" > To: ; "rocket-list" > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > Now ya done it, lets see the F-4C had two J79's at 17,000 EACH that's > > 34,000# of thurst and that was a "C' model. Ole "Gummi" will have exact > > figures. "It ain't whats ya got, it's hous ya use it". "Check" Do Not > > Archive Why yes I still do work on HRII N561FS, making it smooth and > > pretty and getting for........paint. 8*) KABONG > > > > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: Rocket-List: horsepower envy > > > > > > > > > > Rocket SCHMOCKET...I'm a 150hp RV-4 driver who is fortunate enough to > fly > > F16's for a living...Wanna talk horsepower dude, how about 28,000 lbs of > > thrust Rocket boy!!! I got cha "rocket" right heah! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Oct 31, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!!
Hi Listers! A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just try you browser because it'll probably just work. Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat rooms as "MattDralle". There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when someone sends a message. The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like. Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this List's specific Chat Room! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon... ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 01, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists...
Dear Listers, During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists. The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic the Lists generated this year alone: * 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003 o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo) o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo) List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this year have included: * Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line! * New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI! * Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram! * All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM! * All new, web-base List Chat Room society! As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict *no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed, however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie. The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for these great incentives!! Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support! To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50, $75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the way down! SSL Secure Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contributions I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!! Thank you!! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2003
Subject: [ Doug Weiler ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Doug Weiler Subject: RV-4 Canopy Support & Hold-Open Bracket http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/dougweil@pressenter.com.11.02.2003/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 02, 2003
rv7-list(at)matronics.com, rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com, rv10-list(at)matronics.com, rvcanada-list(at)matronics.com, rveurope-list(at)matronics.com
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: RVx-List vs. RV-List Subscriptions
Dear RV-x Listers, I was chatting with a nice fellow on the new Matronics RV6-List Chatroom yesterday ( http://www.matronics.com/chat ), and he ask me an interesting question. Basically, what he was saying was that he had been subscribed to the RV-List back a few years ago and he used to get a lot of messages each day. Recently, he resubscribed and now only gets a few messages. "What Happened?", he wanted to know... Long story short, originally he had subscribed to the non-model specific List, the "RV-List(at)matronics.com". When he resubscribed, he just subscribed to the model-specific List, the "RV6-List(at)matronics.com". Since the model-specific Lists receive far less traffic than the main RV-List, the mystery of his reduced content was solved. He's now subscribed to the Main RV-List in addition to the RV6-List and is happily receiving a few more messages each day. I realize that many of you have made a conscious decision to only subscribe to one or more of the model-specific Lists. This conversation did make me wonder, though, just how many people have subscribed to the model-specific Lists, not knowing that a lot of the RV dialog is really on the main RV-List...? Anyway, I thought I'd post a little message today and spread the word. I did some number crunching on the RVx-Lists vs. RV-List subscriptions and found that there are 819 unique people subscribed to one or more model-specific RVx-Lists but that are NOT subscribed to the general RV-List! That's a lot of people missing out on a main flow of RV information. I've setup a little web page where you can check to see if you're currently subscribed to the RV-List and easily subscribe if you're not! http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/Am-I-Subscribed.html The RV-List is where all the action is! Subscribe today! :-) Best regards, Matt Dralle Email List Admin. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 05, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts?
Dear Listers, The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say "Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year! Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options: * List Archive CD * Aircraft Builder's Log * Pilot Flashlight System * Pro Pilot Logbook * FAR/AIM on CD * Jeppesen Flight Bag * Aviation History Book * Techstar Flight Computer Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/contributions Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the Matronics servers!! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 07, 2003
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
rv8-list(at)matronics.com, "rv9-list(at)matronics.com (1.9 points) SAVE YOURSELF hundreds of hours of research time and building time, by ordering the comprehensive "Guide to Painting & Corrosion Control of Aluminum and Composite Aircraft" This book took over 600+ hours of research time, by a fussy Builder. Contains 64 pages of the latest, practical information - summarized and gathered from MIL Standards, Paint Shops, Builders like you (what worked or didn't), Airframe Mfgs, etc. Covers Products (characteristics & application of) from PP&G, Dupont, Sherwin W'ms, Sterling, Poly Fiber, Deft, Randolph Paints, PRC De Soto, US Paints, Aircraft Finishing Systems, Tempo, 3M, etc. Some of the Topics covered in the 30 Sections are: * Aircraft Paints vs Auto Paints and Other Considerations * Corrosion Control * Spray Guns - selecting, adjusting, using and painting problems * Brushes / Rollers used with Primers & Paints * Prep Methods for Painting - Fiberglass, Steel and Aluminum * Epoxy Primers for Aluminum - MIL & Commercial, Solvent & Water Reducible * Primers for Fiberglass & Steel * Wash Primers & Self Etching Primers * Other Primers - Zinc Chromate,Zinc Oxide, Enamel * Paint Types: MIL & Non MIL Polyurethanes Enamel Types Acrylics - Lacquers & Enamels * Acid Etch / Conversion Coatings (Alodine) * Criteria for selecting a Paint Shop * 3M Cleaning Pads, Liquid Cleaners and their effectiveness * Paint Booths and their Construction * References - MIL Standards & Tech Orders * Directory of Aircraft Paint Mfgs, Distrib- utors, etc. E-Mail addresses, Phone Numbers, Application Notes YOUR AIRPLANE is judged by it's Paint Job and it is costly too, so have the latest "Information" in order to make good decisions. Contains plenty of "Do's" and "Don'ts" that save Time, Money and Frustration. Order today. Send a check for $25 to (includes Postage within the US) to: Garey Wittich 58 Village Parkway Santa Monica, CA. 90405 __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 09, 2003
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: A GUIDE TO AIRCRAFT PAINTING & CORROSION CONTROL
rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com THIS IS NOT "SPAM", but from my research I did for my RV-8A which I am building. --------------- ------------- ------------ SAVE YOURSELF hundreds of hours of research time and building time, by using the comprehensive "Guide to Painting & Corrosion Control of Aluminum and Composite Aircraft" This book took over 600+ hours of research time by me, a fussy RV-8A Builder. Contains 64 pages of the latest, practical information - summarized and gathered from MIL Standards, Paint Shops, Builders like you (what worked or didn't), Airframe Mfgs, etc. Covers products from PP&G, Dupont, Sherwin W'ms, Sterling, Poly Fiber, Deft, Randolph Paints, PRC De Soto, US Paints, Aircraft Finishing Systems, 3M, etc. Some of the Topics covered in the 30 Sections are: * Aircraft Paints vs Auto Paints and Other Considerations * Corrosion Control * Spray Guns - selecting, adjusting, using and painting problems * Brushes / Rollers used with Primers & Paints * Prep Methods for Painting - Fiberglass, Steel and Aluminum * Epoxy Primers for Aluminum - MIL & Commercial, Solvent & Water Reducible * Primers for Fiberglass & Steel * Wash Primers & Self Etching Primers * Other Primers - Zinc Chromate,Zinc Oxide, Enamel * Paint Types: MIL & Non MIL Polyurethanes Enamel Types Acrylics - Lacquers & Enamels * Acid Etch / Conversion Coatings (Alodine) * Selecting a Paint Shop * 3M Cleaning Pads, Liquid Cleaner compatibility * Paint Booths and their Construction * References - MIL Standards & Tech Orders * Directory of Aircraft Paint Mfgs, Distrib- utors, etc. E-Mail addresses, phone numbers, Application Notes YOUR AIRPLANE is judged by it's Paint Job and it is costly too, so have the latest "Information" in order to make good decisions. Contains plenty of "Do's" and "Don'ts" that save time, money and frustration. Send a check for $25 to (includes Postage within the US) to: Garey Wittich RV-8A Builder 58 Village Parkway Santa Monica, CA. 90405 __________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 10, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: WLAS...
Dear Listers, Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!! If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these valuable services you've come to expect. Thank you for your Contribution!! SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution Matt Dralle EMail List Administrator ================================================================ =================== What Listers Are Saying ==================== ================================================================ You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured. -Clifford M. ...great service to the aviation community. -Curt R. Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help. -Thomas R. Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project. -Dean V. ...has been a great help to me. -Jim N. ..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots. -Douglas W. I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project. -Ron P. ...very valuable! -Patrick L. Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List. -Curt R. ...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources for homebuilding that I have ever found. -Jim H. The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists is priceless. -Chris R. I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists... - Lee P. Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!! -Lar B. Great List & very well organized. -Peter D. I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List. -William G. The List is an important part of my daily routine. -Roger H. ...incredible resource. -Ron P. Excellent facility. -David M. ...unmatched service to all builders and flyers. -Ralph C. Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 14, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year?
Dear Listers, I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents. I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage members to support the Lists. I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot* receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the Archive Search times. Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion, is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical email thread. I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous v*ruses. I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over 90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free. I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free, that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual List Fund Raiser! ----------------------------------------------- The SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution ----------------------------------------------- Thank you, Matt Dralle Email List Administrator ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Glenn P. Wilkinson" <gpw(at)accucomm.net>
Subject: windshield glare
Date: Nov 17, 2003
Hey Guys: I was out flying my recently build RV last night and noticed a bad glare created by my panel lights on the forward section on the canopy. I use post lights and turned them down to low level which helped slightly; has anyone else found this to be a problem with the -4's or do you think it is a characteristic of the post lights and the shape of the canopy? Is anyone using a panel lighting system who does not have this problem ? Suggestions ? Glenn RV-4 N654RV @ OKZ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 17, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: windshield glare
Glenn; It's not just a problem with the RV4, any bubble canopy aircraft, F16 included have this problem. General Dynamics(now Lockheed) tried several lighting mods and finally the NVG lighting semi-solved the problem on the F16 by going to a low glare cockpit lighting. I checked and my RV4 has over 300 hours on it after dark(commuting home from work). I fixed the glare on mine by making a stick on glareshield. It's a piece of thin plastic that sticks out from under the canopy frame 3" over the inst panel held by velcro. Works great. RR "Glenn P. Wilkinson" wrote: Hey Guys: I was out flying my recently build RV last night and noticed a bad glare created by my panel lights on the forward section on the canopy. I use post lights and turned them down to low level which helped slightly; has anyone else found this to be a problem with the -4's or do you think it is a characteristic of the post lights and the shape of the canopy? Is anyone using a panel lighting system who does not have this problem ? Suggestions ? Glenn RV-4 N654RV @ OKZ --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Nov 28, 2003
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: What Listers Are Saying III
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From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
Date: Nov 30, 2003
Hello All, I was considering changing my fixed pitch wooden prop to a Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop. Anyone running one of these or heard any feedback? Also have any of you seen a spinner kit for it? Thanks for your help. Regards, Hank Landman RV-4, N102GW pukndg(at)mindspring.com Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Nov 30, 2003
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
Hello Hank, I flew the Ivoprop inflight adjustable prop for 7 years on my RV-3. Both two blade and three blade configuration. Have you talked to Ivoprop to see if they will sell you a propeller for your engine? What engine is in your RV-4? BTW, I hope your wearing your flame retardant gloves when you open your Email. Jim Ayers RV-3 N47RV sn 50 LOM M332A engine MT Propeller 3 blade electric CS prop ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
Date: Dec 01, 2003
Thanks Jim, I have an email into IVO as we speak. The engine on my -4 is an O-320-E2D. BTW, do you keep your RV-3 in CMA? I believe I may have met you a couple years back during a CMA airshow. Did you have any speed restrictions with the Ivo? Did you stick by the Service Bulletin torque requirements? Thanks again, Hank > [Original Message] > From: <LessDragProd(at)aol.com> > To: > Date: 11/30/03 8:00:16 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop. > > > Hello Hank, > > I flew the Ivoprop inflight adjustable prop for 7 years on my RV-3. Both two > blade and three blade configuration. > > Have you talked to Ivoprop to see if they will sell you a propeller for your > engine? > > What engine is in your RV-4? > > BTW, I hope your wearing your flame retardant gloves when you open your Email. > > Jim Ayers > RV-3 N47RV sn 50 LOM M332A engine MT Propeller 3 blade electric CS prop > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 01, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
Any problems with the gelcoat cracking on the IVO? I also heard IVO isn't selling any more big engine (greater than 100hp) propellers? Wassup? RR Hank Landman wrote: Thanks Jim, I have an email into IVO as we speak. The engine on my -4 is an O-320-E2D. BTW, do you keep your RV-3 in CMA? I believe I may have met you a couple years back during a CMA airshow. Did you have any speed restrictions with the Ivo? Did you stick by the Service Bulletin torque requirements? Thanks again, Hank > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 11/30/03 8:00:16 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop. > > > Hello Hank, > > I flew the Ivoprop inflight adjustable prop for 7 years on my RV-3. Both two > blade and three blade configuration. > > Have you talked to Ivoprop to see if they will sell you a propeller for your > engine? > > What engine is in your RV-4? > > BTW, I hope your wearing your flame retardant gloves when you open your Email. > > Jim Ayers > RV-3 N47RV sn 50 LOM M332A engine MT Propeller 3 blade electric CS prop > > --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 02, 2003
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
I did the original flight test for the Ivoprop Magnum inflight adjustable propeller. I flew about 20 different sets of blades for my Ivoprop Magnum inflight adjustable propeller. I worn out two sets of bolts with all of the changes and inspections. (Initially, I had to disassemble and inspect the blades after each hour of flight.) About May 1996, Ivo figured out what it took to properly retain the blades in the hub. I did follow the torquing schedule and requirements. It is probably why I never had any of the blades start the progressive failure mode after May 1996. The stainless steel tape across the blades provides the first warning, before any damage occurs to the blades. I had not broken a single tape since May 1996. I did get a replacement set of blades in Aug. 1997. I had removed the stainless steel leading edge tape and painted the blades maroon with some "super" paint. It didn't work that well in the rain. The stainless steel leading edge tape works fine. And it is fairly easy to replace if it gets damaged by sand or pebbles. I preferred to fly with the Ivoprop, rather than my Warnke fixed pitch prop. The performance was better with the Ivoprop, overall. I have a MT Propeller electric CS propeller now. The electric governor works great. It appears to perform better than the Warnke and the Ivoprop. However, I still need to move the CG back to the original position before I can get good numbers. (The CG shifted forward when I changed from a 28 volt system to a 12 volt system.) I normally cruise at around 160 mph tias. This works even at 17,500' without the supercharger engaged. Full throttle at 4,000' density altitude gives me a little over 200 mph. This is about the same as with the 2 blade Ivoprop Magnum propeller. Jim Ayers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
Date: Dec 02, 2003
Thanks Jim!!! Hank > [Original Message] > From: <LessDragProd(at)aol.com> > To: > Date: 12/1/03 11:39:09 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop. > > > I did the original flight test for the Ivoprop Magnum inflight adjustable > propeller. > > I flew about 20 different sets of blades for my Ivoprop Magnum inflight > adjustable propeller. I worn out two sets of bolts with all of the changes and > inspections. > (Initially, I had to disassemble and inspect the blades after each hour of > flight.) > > About May 1996, Ivo figured out what it took to properly retain the blades in > the hub. > > I did follow the torquing schedule and requirements. It is probably why I > never had any of the blades start the progressive failure mode after May 1996. > The stainless steel tape across the blades provides the first warning, before > any damage occurs to the blades. > I had not broken a single tape since May 1996. > > I did get a replacement set of blades in Aug. 1997. I had removed the > stainless steel leading edge tape and painted the blades maroon with some "super" > paint. It didn't work that well in the rain. > The stainless steel leading edge tape works fine. And it is fairly easy to > replace if it gets damaged by sand or pebbles. > > I preferred to fly with the Ivoprop, rather than my Warnke fixed pitch prop. > The performance was better with the Ivoprop, overall. > > I have a MT Propeller electric CS propeller now. The electric governor works > great. > It appears to perform better than the Warnke and the Ivoprop. However, I > still need to move the CG back to the original position before I can get good > numbers. > (The CG shifted forward when I changed from a 28 volt system to a 12 volt > system.) > > I normally cruise at around 160 mph tias. This works even at 17,500' without > the supercharger engaged. Full throttle at 4,000' density altitude gives me > a little over 200 mph. This is about the same as with the 2 blade Ivoprop > Magnum propeller. > > Jim Ayers > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 02, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop.
I am just glad there are people out there still thinking outside the container, like Jim. I wish I had a LOM in mine... RR Hank Landman wrote: Thanks Jim!!! Hank > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 12/1/03 11:39:09 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Ivo Magnum 3 bladed adjustable prop. > > > I did the original flight test for the Ivoprop Magnum inflight adjustable > propeller. > > I flew about 20 different sets of blades for my Ivoprop Magnum inflight > adjustable propeller. I worn out two sets of bolts with all of the changes and > inspections. > (Initially, I had to disassemble and inspect the blades after each hour of > flight.) > > About May 1996, Ivo figured out what it took to properly retain the blades in > the hub. > > I did follow the torquing schedule and requirements. It is probably why I > never had any of the blades start the progressive failure mode after May 1996. > The stainless steel tape across the blades provides the first warning, before > any damage occurs to the blades. > I had not broken a single tape since May 1996. > > I did get a replacement set of blades in Aug. 1997. I had removed the > stainless steel leading edge tape and painted the blades maroon with some "super" > paint. It didn't work that well in the rain. > The stainless steel leading edge tape works fine. And it is fairly easy to > replace if it gets damaged by sand or pebbles. > > I preferred to fly with the Ivoprop, rather than my Warnke fixed pitch prop. > The performance was better with the Ivoprop, overall. > > I have a MT Propeller electric CS propeller now. The electric governor works > great. > It appears to perform better than the Warnke and the Ivoprop. However, I > still need to move the CG back to the original position before I can get good > numbers. > (The CG shifted forward when I changed from a 28 volt system to a 12 volt > system.) > > I normally cruise at around 160 mph tias. This works even at 17,500' without > the supercharger engaged. Full throttle at 4,000' density altitude gives me > a little over 200 mph. This is about the same as with the 2 blade Ivoprop > Magnum propeller. > > Jim Ayers > > --------------------------------- Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Whiteside(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 10, 2003
Subject: Re: Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who
lost hi... Chuck what do you need? Will ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Hank Landman" <pukndg(at)mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who
lost hi...
Date: Dec 10, 2003
?? > [Original Message] > From: <Whiteside(at)aol.com> > To: > Date: 12/10/03 4:29:31 PM > Subject: Re: RV4-List: Fw: An offer to pay the fuel bill for an RV-4 Pilot who lost hi... > > > Chuck what do you need? > Will > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: WMartensJr(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 12, 2003
Subject: Re: RE: Our tax dollars
Actually, I disagree. Breaking my lurk mode here for a moment, I think the NSF has provided ample assistance considering the limited space available on some of those flights and the man-hours involved in supporting transporting an extra person and his aircraft. Not a small undertaking. This is a long standing policy regarding treatment of private expeditions in distress in a hostile environment and not any lack of support for Mr. Johanson. I personally wish they could have assisted him but if they had it would set a bad precedent for every wildcat who wanted to set a record. Mr. Johanson's effort seemed well planned and executed so I'm not calling him a wildcat but there are others out there not so responsible as he is. The NSF can't afford to allow scarce resources for contingencies that unknown individuals might place upon them. The funds simply don't exist. If you want that policy to change contact your congressmen to support greater funding and private ventures. If a group of supporters wants to assist him, Mr. Johanson, it would have to cover the cost of privately transporting fuel and any other support needed to get him and his aircraft on their way without assistance from the NSF. It's doable. It merely depends upon your conviction expressed with dollars. Not wanting to start a flame war here but agencies have to work within guidelines. If you want those guidelines changed speak with your vote and pocketbook. Sincerely, Walt In a message dated 12/11/2003 9:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, pperryrv(at)hotmail.com writes: > Our government is spending millions to conduct "engineering and scientific > research" in Antarctica while Jon J. is doing it for free. > > I'm ashamed that the US can't spare the $500 worth of fuel and time to help > an Ausie who has done more per dollar in the area of engineering research > than they ever could. > > This particular RV-4 aircraft is destined to spend eternity in a museum (if > he ever stops setting records with it) and the pilot will be in the history > books of aviation forever. This should be like the next best thing to > having Lindbergh land in your farm field and our Gov is treating him like a > vagrant pilot. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 12, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Our tax dollars
Walt, I agree with your assessment of the NSF. Having been a government employee most of my adult life, I know how reality is constantly reinforced in situations requiring venturing beyond the bounds of regulations. I still think the funds could be acquired by other means, either by donation or a simple loan. It would be a sad note to our society however when we turn our backs on adventurers and record-setters in this computer age. I salute anyone attempting to explore the unknown or break records. Rob Ray WMartensJr(at)aol.com wrote: Actually, I disagree. Breaking my lurk mode here for a moment, I think the NSF has provided ample assistance considering the limited space available on some of those flights and the man-hours involved in supporting transporting an extra person and his aircraft. Not a small undertaking. This is a long standing policy regarding treatment of private expeditions in distress in a hostile environment and not any lack of support for Mr. Johanson. I personally wish they could have assisted him but if they had it would set a bad precedent for every wildcat who wanted to set a record. Mr. Johanson's effort seemed well planned and executed so I'm not calling him a wildcat but there are others out there not so responsible as he is. The NSF can't afford to allow scarce resources for contingencies that unknown individuals might place upon them. The funds simply don't exist. If you want that policy to change contact your congressmen to support greater funding and private ventures. If a group of supporters wants to assist him, Mr. Johanson, it would have to cover the cost of privately transporting fuel and any other support needed to get him and his aircraft on their way without assistance from the NSF. It's doable. It merely depends upon your conviction expressed with dollars. Not wanting to start a flame war here but agencies have to work within guidelines. If you want those guidelines changed speak with your vote and pocketbook. Sincerely, Walt In a message dated 12/11/2003 9:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, pperryrv(at)hotmail.com writes: > Our government is spending millions to conduct "engineering and scientific > research" in Antarctica while Jon J. is doing it for free. > > I'm ashamed that the US can't spare the $500 worth of fuel and time to help > an Ausie who has done more per dollar in the area of engineering research > than they ever could. > > This particular RV-4 aircraft is destined to spend eternity in a museum (if > he ever stops setting records with it) and the pilot will be in the history > books of aviation forever. This should be like the next best thing to > having Lindbergh land in your farm field and our Gov is treating him like a > vagrant pilot. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 24, 2003
Subject: Re: RV-4 Prop extension,etc.
If your finish kit has,or will have ,the new "Pre-Preg" Cowl you will need to use the 2 1/4" prop extension. Check with Van's before you buy any of the parts. I ordered the finish kit for my older RV-4 kit and I had already bought the prop and extension,etc. It cost me a bundle to get new extension,bolts,crush plate,etc. I was able to drill the prop for the required 7/16" prop bolts. Apparently they furnish the new cowl for either fixed or C/S prop. Again;call Van's before you invest, Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 24, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-4 Prop extension,etc.
Pre-preg cowls, 2 1/4 inch (non std) extensions, long gear, pre drilled wings???Sure didn't have that when I built my RV4.... What's the world coming to....Bob, if you still have the long extension, I'm sure you could sell it on www.vansairforce.net classifieds.... Merry Christmas Y'All! Rob Ray RV4 1200 hours (300 upside down) Oldsfolks(at)aol.com wrote: If your finish kit has,or will have ,the new "Pre-Preg" Cowl you will need to use the 2 1/4" prop extension. Check with Van's before you buy any of the parts. I ordered the finish kit for my older RV-4 kit and I had already bought the prop and extension,etc. It cost me a bundle to get new extension,bolts,crush plate,etc. I was able to drill the prop for the required 7/16" prop bolts. Apparently they furnish the new cowl for either fixed or C/S prop. Again;call Van's before you invest, Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks(at)aol.com>
Subject: >Re;Rv-4 Prop Extension,etc.
Date: Dec 25, 2003
I have all the RVators and I hadn't heard of "Long Gear Legs,Pre-Preg Cowl ,etc. Maybe I just missed it ? When I recieved my RV-4 finish kit and had the engine mounted and was ready to fit the cowl,I found it was about 2" too short to reach the firewall. I then called Van's and got updated to the fact I would have to use the 2 1/4" prop extension. I had to change crank flange lugs,prop bolts,extension and crush plate. Then I had to re-drill the wood prop(Pacesetter, 4 3/8" thick). I was able to sell the other set,at a loss. Save yourself some grief and call Van's before you order the finish kit ! The old style cowl is a special order item. Bob Olds RV-4 Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Dec 27, 2003
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/24/03
In a message dated 12/26/2003 2:17:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, smokyray(at)yahoo.com writes: After trying 5 different props on my RV4 including a sensenich metal, I like the two I have now the best. (Stuff Cut) Rob Ray RV4 1200 hours, 300 upside down... Hi Rob, After going through five fixed pitch props, had you considered one CS prop? Fixed pitch always gives a low RPM for take off and climb, high RPM for cruise. A Constant Speed prop allows a high RPM for take off and climb, low RPM for cruise. Jim Ayers ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Dec 27, 2003
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 12/24/03
Unfortunately Jim, my crankshaft won't allow it and the electric was out of my price range. ( I have 2 kids in college) I have the long, older cowl design as well. I sold all of my props except the two I have now and I like the simplicity. Maybe someday I'll go after the MT electric...Good hearing from you... Rob Ray LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/26/2003 2:17:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, smokyray(at)yahoo.com writes: After trying 5 different props on my RV4 including a sensenich metal, I like the two I have now the best. (Stuff Cut) Rob Ray RV4 1200 hours, 300 upside down... Hi Rob, After going through five fixed pitch props, had you considered one CS prop? Fixed pitch always gives a low RPM for take off and climb, high RPM for cruise. A Constant Speed prop allows a high RPM for take off and climb, low RPM for cruise. Jim Ayers --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 03, 2004
Subject: [ Ken Brooks ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
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From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
, , , "" ,
Subject: I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow donor
Date: Jan 05, 2004
Okay Guys (and Gals), Donating was the EASY part (you can do it too, it will only hurt when my wife aka "my banker" finds out). I also did some soul searching, cuz' it's gonna take a lot of time & traveling, but I decided I'm gonna be tested as a donor. I just registered and now I wait to get an appointment to be tested. I gotta go up to Stanford Medical Center (it's the closest donor center to me) and I'll let you all know how it goes. I hope some other folks will consider taking the plunge, either donating $ or becoming a blood/marrow donor or both... ya'll know it's for good/deserving people. check out http://www.marrow.org/HELP/join_the_registry.html or www.transplants.org Take Care and Take Air my friends, Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Paul Pflimlin" <pablo(at)phonewave.net>
, , , ,
Subject: Re: RV7-List: I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow
donor
Date: Jan 06, 2004
In the interest of elimlinating SPAM, what the hell does this msg. got to do with RV's?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com> ; ; ; "" ; Subject: RV7-List: I made a donation & I'm registering as a Marrow donor > --> RV7-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" > > Okay Guys (and Gals), > > Donating was the EASY part (you can do it too, it will only hurt when my wife aka "my banker" finds out). I also did some soul searching, cuz' it's gonna take a lot of time & traveling, but I decided I'm gonna be tested as a donor. I just registered and now I wait to get an appointment to be tested. I gotta go up to Stanford Medical Center (it's the closest donor center to me) and I'll let you all know how it goes. > > I hope some other folks will consider taking the plunge, either donating $ or becoming a blood/marrow donor or both... ya'll know it's for good/deserving people. > > check out > > http://www.marrow.org/HELP/join_the_registry.html > > or > www.transplants.org > > > Take Care and Take Air my friends, > > Chuck > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Kevin Faris" <kf64358(at)alltel.net>
Subject: C. Rabaut
Date: Jan 06, 2004
Paul, Why don't you lighten the hell up? We would not know Pilot Al Haynes needed our help if Chuck's message hadn't caught my eye. Are we so fixated on RV's here that we have forgotten that it's also about the flying, the pilots, and our lives? I intend to help Al. Kevin Faris RV7 finishing ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 07, 2004
From: "Trudy Ettelson" <tettelso(at)socal.devry.edu>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 01/06/04
** Reply Requested When Convenient ** Please remove me from whatever list I'm on. I am an English professor at DeVry University and have nothing to do with your business. Thanks for your help. I somehow get a blind copy of thousands of your emails, and I don't appreciate them. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nic Hart" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Help Please
Date: Jan 12, 2004
I am a UK based Pitts pilot - looking for a second aircraft with two seats and a touring capability. I have shortlisted two aircraft - either the RV4 or the RV8. I would like to do gentle aeros but I am primarily looking for a tourer. I would be grateful of any comments and advice on selection between the two aircraft. I am 6 feet tall and weigh twelve and half stone, with a similar passenger. I would like to have rear seat controls and instruments if possible. My aim would be to purchase a really good low airtime example in the USA and ship it home. Many thanks in anticipation for your help, Nic ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 12, 2004
From: "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us>
Subject: Re: Help Please
Nic - 6 feet and 12 stone X two = a very full RV 4 (no aero in this configuration!) or an RV 8. I have an RV 4, am 6'2", about 15 stone, so am limited in my passenger capacity. BTW, in my ownership of the smallest air frame I can fit into, I did own an Turbulent (G-AWBM) in the 70s in the UK - great fun. (I was much lighter then!). >>> Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk 01/12/04 07:25AM >>> I am a UK based Pitts pilot - looking for a second aircraft with two seats and a touring capability. I have shortlisted two aircraft - either the RV4 or the RV8. I would like to do gentle aeros but I am primarily looking for a tourer. I would be grateful of any comments and advice on selection between the two aircraft. I am 6 feet tall and weigh twelve and half stone, with a similar passenger. I would like to have rear seat controls and instruments if possible. My aim would be to purchase a really good low airtime example in the USA and ship it home. Many thanks in anticipation for your help, Nic ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Nic Hart" <Nic(at)skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Subject: Selecting an RV
Date: Jan 14, 2004
Rob, Thanks - That's the kind of comment that makes me sit-up and listen. Today I travelled to see the only Harmon II in the UK - but it is still a long way from flying and needs a permit to do so and that is by no means guaranteed. In this instance I don't feel like spending years or months arguing with our PFA or CAA to get my project in the air, I am happy to build once there is a precedent, but I would need a two seater in the meantime. So that leaves me back where I started looking at the RV range. For the last five years I have been flying single seaters (Pitts and similar) and so I like the idea of sitting on the centre-line. I find the RV-8 lacks the lines and grace of the RV4 and really could do with a revised turtle deck to give more of a Rocket look. So what can I get for my money in the USA in the way of a really good RV4 to keep me going? My thoughts are to go for a recent high quality build 180hp c/s with a really good panel, so that I can have a plane that will really make me leave the Pitts in the hangar for years to come ! Given that I can find the budget - where do I look ? Barnstormers has the odd RV4 from time to time but is this the best place ? Thanks for your help, Nic > > Nick, How much money do you have to spend? The January 2004 Kitplanes ranks the > best XC kitplanes and in the "bang for the buck" category or in your case, "bang > for the pound", the RV4 was #2 only to the Mustang II. The RV8 was #10. Why? > COST! > Bottom line, flown correctly, my RV4 can whip a 180HP Pitts in a dogfight, haul > the same exact useful load as a super cub, and outrun alot of light twins, and > cost less than $30,000 US to put together in 97'. Yes, I am a bit partial to > the design, but I have flown the RV8 and it is heavier and just doesn't fly > the same as a 4. > If you build an RV4, your Pitts will end up gathering dust... > > My two cents worth. > > Rob Ray > 1100 hours RV4 (300 inverted) > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 14, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Selecting an RV
Hi Nic; Barnstormers is a great site and www.trade-a-plane.com is another. I have helped five of my buddies in my F16 squadron find RV4's in the past 2 years and they paid between $45,000 and $62,000 US for their airplanes. The 45K was a 160HP wood prop (he is 6'3" 220 lbs) and the 62K was built by Art Chard(built all of Van's prototypes except the 10) and has a Lalonde 190HP(9.4:1 pistons in 0-360) Hartzell C/S and weighs 975 lbs. It is truly the finest RV I have ever flown (next to mine of course) and trues out at 175knots 24/24. Inbetween the two extremes of price were three 180 C/S RV4's that were 49K, (no paint) 55K (VFR), 60K, (very nice). Also our wing commander traded his Mooney and some cash for a 180/sensenich FP metal RV-8 and another SQ mate bought an older(1986) RV4 with a 180HP IO-360 C/S for 36K (leaky tanks). Hope that helps with your price range. I am the lightest owner at 5'10" and 175. The biggest is 6'3" and 230lbs and he has no problem once he gets in. Let me know what you find and maybe I can help you with any questions....good luck. Rob Ray Nic Hart wrote: Rob, Thanks - That's the kind of comment that makes me sit-up and listen. Today I travelled to see the only Harmon II in the UK - but it is still a long way from flying and needs a permit to do so and that is by no means guaranteed. In this instance I don't feel like spending years or months arguing with our PFA or CAA to get my project in the air, I am happy to build once there is a precedent, but I would need a two seater in the meantime. So that leaves me back where I started looking at the RV range. For the last five years I have been flying single seaters (Pitts and similar) and so I like the idea of sitting on the centre-line. I find the RV-8 lacks the lines and grace of the RV4 and really could do with a revised turtle deck to give more of a Rocket look. So what can I get for my money in the USA in the way of a really good RV4 to keep me going? My thoughts are to go for a recent high quality build 180hp c/s with a really good panel, so that I can have a plane that will really make me leave the Pitts in the hangar for years to come ! Given that I can find the budget - where do I look ? Barnstormers has the odd RV4 from time to time but is this the best place ? Thanks for your help, Nic > > Nick, How much money do you have to spend? The January 2004 Kitplanes ranks the > best XC kitplanes and in the "bang for the buck" category or in your case, "bang > for the pound", the RV4 was #2 only to the Mustang II. The RV8 was #10. Why? > COST! > Bottom line, flown correctly, my RV4 can whip a 180HP Pitts in a dogfight, haul > the same exact useful load as a super cub, and outrun alot of light twins, and > cost less than $30,000 US to put together in 97'. Yes, I am a bit partial to > the design, but I have flown the RV8 and it is heavier and just doesn't fly > the same as a 4. > If you build an RV4, your Pitts will end up gathering dust... > > My two cents worth. > > Rob Ray > 1100 hours RV4 (300 inverted) > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 21, 2004
From: Bob Utter <uncleace(at)bobutter.com>
Subject: Flight simulator
What is the best RV-4 flight simulator? What is the best RV-4 configuration file for MSFS2004? I searched the archives, but there isn't much recent stuff. Thanks, Bob ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "ryan gottlieb" <gottliebmk(at)msn.com>
Subject: Flight simulator
Date: Jan 21, 2004
try X-plane, it is more of a tool than a game. You can fly in real time weather, andcreate your own planes. There are thousand of planes to download, plenty of RV's. Go toX-plane.com.( download planes from x-plane.org) Theauthor of x-plane is a good friend of mine, and I can tell you that his life revolves aroundaviation and this simulator. If you need tech support, you leave a message and he willpersonally call you back and fast!If you get Track I-IR ,and the E-dimensional glasses you can look around by simply moving your head. want to look out your left window? just turn your head and look. Need to look down to check your oil pressure? just tilt you head down and look. This device can be found an E-Dimensional. good luck, Ryan From: Bob Utter <UNCLEACE(at)BOBUTTER.COM> Subject: RV4-List: Flight simulator Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:58:14 -0500 -- RV4-List message posted by: Bob Utter What is the best RV-4 flight simulator? What is the best RV-4 configuration file for MSFS2004? I searched the archives, but there isn't much recent stuff. Thanks, Bob Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Jan 22, 2004
Subject: [ Steve Glasgow ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
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Date: Jan 23, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 01/22/04
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From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv(at)hotmail.com>
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Subject: Jim Ahman
Date: Jan 29, 2004
I'm trying to get intouch with RV-4 builder Jim Ahman from Hackettstown NJ. Anyone who knows how to get intouch with him please let me know. Thanks, Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Jan 30, 2004
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Date: Feb 02, 2004
From: schoki(at)klosterquelle.org
Subject: landing mass of a RV4
Hello, i am doing a calculated strength verification for a RV 4. Can somebody tell me the maximal landing mass of this aircraft. I have to consider it in the landing impact. Thanks, Fabian Donus ---------------------------- Powered by klosterquelle.org ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: landing mass of a RV4
Date: Feb 02, 2004
Fabian, I'd say that 1700 lbs gross landing weight would cover most every RV-4 out there. I'd certainly be interested in your results. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: <schoki(at)klosterquelle.org> Subject: RV4-List: landing mass of a RV4 > > Hello, > > i am doing a calculated strength verification for a RV 4. Can > somebody tell me the maximal landing mass of this aircraft. I have to > consider it in the landing impact. > Thanks, > > Fabian Donus > > ---------------------------- > Powered by klosterquelle.org > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 02, 2004
Subject: Re: Landing Mass of An RV-4
Van's aircraft > vansaircraft.com < 503-678-6545 to get the word from the source of factual information. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Frank Friedman" <frankzip(at)CHARTER.NET>
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Subject: RV8 Tail Kit for sale
Date: Feb 03, 2004
Changed projects so RV 8 tail kit for sale. Very little work done. This is a pre punched kit, however it was before the 4130 parts were powder coated. All 4130 parts were primered. Included are preview plans, electric trim kit, 18 years of the RVaitor, Avery temporary assembly pins, 2 construction videos. Vertical stabilizer tip is for a rear position light. Cost for all of this now would be about $1775. Buy it now for $1200. plus shipping before I put it on ebay. Bonus, free delivery within 100 miles of Oshkosh. Yep guys,I'm in OSH, 8-10 minutes to the airport, the downside, Jan temps, 17 days below normal and 4-5 inches of snow last night. Frank at 920-237-3536 or frankzip(at)charter.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 11, 2004
Subject: !New! CS prop for sale
rv4-list(at)matronics.com, RV10(at)yahoogroups.com, engines-list(at)matronics.com, socal-rvlist(at)egroups.com Hi All, I have new MT Propeller aluminum blade 2 blade CS propellers for sale. $5,500 including factory installed spinner. This propeller was designed for the Lycoming 360 engine only. No mid range RPM restriction on any Lycoming 360 engine. Check out my website www.lessdrag.com for details. Click on "Lycoming 360 engine", or "MT Propeller" (The website is still under development. I would appreciate any constructive suggestions.) Jim Ayers Less Drag Products, Inc. An OEM Distributor for MT Propeller PS I know some of you might object to this as SPAM. Or you could look at this as you're being to first to know. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 11, 2004
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From: "Gary Slutz" <gjslutz(at)sssnet.com>
Subject: WTB elevators
Date: Feb 15, 2004
Need a set of RV-4 elevators that are finished. I would like to have the .020" skin, not .016" skin ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 16, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/15/04
So would I !!!! RV4-List Digest Server wrote:* ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-15.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-15.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/15/04: 1 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:01 PM - WTB elevators (Gary Slutz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: "Gary Slutz" Subject: RV4-List: WTB elevators Need a set of RV-4 elevators that are finished. I would like to have the .020" skin, not .016" skin --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 16, 2004
Subject: WTB Elevators
I guess I'm easy to please. I'm perfectly happy with mine,even .016. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2004
From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody out there?
Hello, I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good business decision. If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' and how some of us are still at it. Ron Patterson N8ZD reserved Northern California ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
Ron, Welcome to the coolest experimental group out there, and yes there are alot of folks building RV4's. You need to go to the RV4 Yahoo group via the Doug Reeves website www.vansairforce.net and join up. Alot of RV4 activity there as well. Despite the 4 being built less, it is still being built and Van still sells 50 kits per year either for RV4 or HRII kits. I have 1100 hours on my RV4 and landings in all lower 48 states, Canada, Mexico the bahamas and Alabama...ha! Van may still be selling alot more side by side trainers (nose draggers) but having flown all the RV's except the 10, the 4 is still the best flyer, except the 3... You chose wisely... Ron Patterson wrote: Hello, I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good business decision. If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' and how some of us are still at it. Ron Patterson N8ZD reserved Northern California --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2004
From: Tim Bronson <rv4mation(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
Hi Ron, You would think that RV-4's no longer exist by the lack of traffic on this list. I guess we RV-4 builders are the strong, silent types. I started in November of '03, and you have already passed me up. It has been real cold here in Ice Station Pittsburgh, and my garage isn't heated, so I'm in the slow mode. I hope to pick up the pace soon when the temp gets more civilized. By the way, if you could tell me how to get in touch with Art Chard I would greatly appreciate it. I have a question to ask him about a modification he has done. "The 4 be with you." Tim --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Subject: Re: >Re:Anybody out there?
I'm here too. I have built two RV-4's. The first was serial number 126 , the eigth kit built RV-4 to be flown. I had to drill and ream all the main spar holes on that one. I had to wait about four months for the wing kit. Van gave four of us a partial wing kit to keep us off his back until they were ready to ship. I finished and flew that one in June,1983. Put 700 hours on it. Just finished the second one in March,2003. Serial number 1191. Both are 150 HP with wood prop,inverted oil and fuel. The new one now has vortex generators added. Helps with very-low-speed stability. You are right,Van hasn't equalled the RV-4 with any of the new model"Trainers", as Smoky said. Bob Olds A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor RV-4 , N1191X , Flying Now Charleston, Arkansas "Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers" ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 17, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
Hi Tim, Keep the faith and keep bangin rivets! You need to try out the Yahoo RV4 group, pretty active bunch of Yahoos...and seems to have alot more builders. I am fortunate enough to have seven RV4 flying buds who also fly the F16 with me and one of them bought an awesome RV4 (nicest one I have ever seen) built by Art Chard. We call it, "a work of art" ha! It has a Bart Lalonde 0-360 with 9.4:1 pistons, RV6 wingtanks (highly recommended) and just plain nice workmanship. I can hardly wait till Wolfman paints it....me, I still get the grin, even after 1100 hours in mine. Just do it! Rob Ray Tim Bronson wrote: Hi Ron, You would think that RV-4's no longer exist by the lack of traffic on this list. I guess we RV-4 builders are the strong, silent types. I started in November of '03, and you have already passed me up. It has been real cold here in Ice Station Pittsburgh, and my garage isn't heated, so I'm in the slow mode. I hope to pick up the pace soon when the temp gets more civilized. By the way, if you could tell me how to get in touch with Art Chard I would greatly appreciate it. I have a question to ask him about a modification he has done. "The 4 be with you." Tim --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Chuck Borne" <caborne3(at)CHARTER.NET>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there?
Date: Feb 17, 2004
Hey Tim and Ron, I guess I finally had to come out of my passive RV4-List monitoring status on this one. Listen to Rob about keeping the faith. I started my empennage kit back in January 1996. I'm just now at the systems, wiring, instrument panel, etc., etc. phase. Its been a long climb on mostly weekends (plus a year lost building a house) but , in the end, I know what I will have. I lucked out and found a wing kit that someone had built the spar but no pre-punched wing skins. All in all, it's been an enjoyable experience and education. I've got an O-320 engine kit from Bobby Osborn's Planes N' Parts out of Weatherford, TX. He's been mentioned in past RVators. Real nice fellow to deal with. I had him supply a constant-speed crankshaft because I planned to use the Whirlwind 150-series three-blade. So hang in there and you will have one of the finest airframes to ever grace the sky! Take care, Chuck Borne in Southeast Louisiana (no ice here!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Bronson" <rv4mation(at)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RV4-List: Anybody out there? > > Hi Ron, > > You would think that RV-4's no longer exist by the lack of traffic on this list. I guess we RV-4 builders are the strong, silent types. > > I started in November of '03, and you have already passed me up. It has been real cold here in Ice Station Pittsburgh, and my garage isn't heated, so I'm in the slow mode. I hope to pick up the pace soon when the temp gets more civilized. > > By the way, if you could tell me how to get in touch with Art Chard I would greatly appreciate it. I have a question to ask him about a modification he has done. > > "The 4 be with you." > > Tim > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 18, 2004
From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody out there??
Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal... Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the -4, as I expected. I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much raw HP in my opinion. Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000 Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too. I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but no knowhow on how to get the engineering done: I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1... Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes to build) Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6"). How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be way cool. Ron ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Anybody out there?
Date: Feb 18, 2004
There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be tough to beat! Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: Ron Patterson <scc_ron(at)yahoo.com> >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > > >Hello, > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make >a good business decision. > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' >and how some of us are still at it. > >Ron Patterson >N8ZD reserved >Northern California > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore(at)tidelandsoil.com>
Subject: Anybody out there?
Date: Feb 18, 2004
I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months. Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin, trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now. You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long. Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll drop you a note....good luck. Regards, Warren Moore -----Original Message----- From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron(at)yahoo.com] Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? Hello, I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good business decision. If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' and how some of us are still at it. Ron Patterson N8ZD reserved Northern California ________________________________________________________________________________
From: RV4WGH(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 18, 2004
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04
Hi RV-4 Builders, I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame. Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport. Wally Hunt 1658 Plaza Drive Rockford, IL 61108 815-332-4708 cell 262-3153 ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" <oldsfolks(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re:Anybody out there
Date: Feb 18, 2004
Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bruce Bell" <rv4bell(at)door.net>
Subject: RV4 Builder
Date: Feb 18, 2004
Hi RV4 Folks, I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly! Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 19, 2004
From: Tim Bronson <rv4mation(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody out there/Art Chard
Hey Rob, Would your friend know how to contact Art Chard? I would like to get in touch with him to ask about the RV-6 tanks. If you don't want to put his contact info on the list, feel free to email me off-line: RV4mation(at)yahoo.com Thanks. Tim rob ray wrote: ...one of them bought an awesome RV4 (nicest one I have ever seen) built by Art Chard. We call it, "a work of art" ha! It has a Bart Lalonde 0-360 with 9.4:1 pistons, RV6 wingtanks (highly recommended) and just plain nice workmanship... --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Moore, Warren" <Warren.Moore(at)tidelandsoil.com>
Subject: Re:Anybody out there
Date: Feb 19, 2004
At first I bought the polyester cowl with the finishing kit. It was really warped and twisted, Vans said that after sitting on their shelf for better part of a year, polyester continues to cure and will warp "some". It was warped more than some, after a couple of months of cutting, re-glassing, sanding, heat-gunning,etc I got an acceptable fit around the inlets, but it never really fit around the cowl cheeks. I gave up, bought the epoxy one. It was not a perfect fit at first, but very close. Did some minor glassing around the inlets. And then, like Bob and everyone else, started sanding. Could you imagine building a entire airplane out of fiberglass!!! After I got a pretty smooth finish I used a credit card and smeared a light coat of real runny micro, and then, of course sanded again and again. Final coat was UV smoothprime, used a roller. tried my spray gun, but think rolling is better. Then hit it with some 400 wet/dry. I think (fingers crossed) I'm ready for final paint. -----Original Message----- From: Bob n' Lu Olds [mailto:oldsfolks(at)aol.com] Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "glennpaulwilkinson" <gpww(at)alltel.net>
Subject: Prop balancing
Date: Feb 19, 2004
Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? Glenn RV-4 654RV @ OKZ 27 hrs and loving it! gpww(at)alltel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Jim Duffy" <jduffy(at)webpipe.net>
Subject: Re: Prop balancing
Date: Feb 17, 2004
I have been doing dynamic propeller balancing for over ten years and I can tell you that this is absolutely the best money you can spend on preventive maintenanc. It will save you money on structural, avionics, instrument repairs, and reduce pilot fatique. I have done well over 200 and about 90% of the aircraft benifit from it. I charge $150.00, I think most shops start at about this price. Contact Chadwick Helmuth Inc., they have a website and they can tell you who is doing it in your area. Jim, Ogden, Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: "glennpaulwilkinson" <gpww(at)alltel.net> Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing > > Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? > > Glenn > RV-4 654RV @ OKZ > 27 hrs and loving it! > gpww(at)alltel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Tim Barnes" <meangreenrv4(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: Prop balancing
Date: Feb 19, 2004
It cost between $150.00 - 250.00 depending on who does it. as far as "if it is worth it" the answer is YES. It makes everything work better and less fatige when you are flying. You will get used to the smoothness very quickly. when finding someone to do this ask your local prop shops or engine performance shops. They can send to the right guy >From: "glennpaulwilkinson" <gpww(at)alltel.net> >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: "hello" >Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:03:41 -0500 > > >Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? >About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this >in Georgia or nearby? > >Glenn >RV-4 654RV @ OKZ >27 hrs and loving it! >gpww(at)alltel.net > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 02/19/04
Two answers, first you can get your prop balanced at Bessemer Alabama at a prop shop . There is also a guy on the internet who will come to you and balance as well. Second, Art Chard can be reached through Scott at Van's. Try support(at)vansaircraft.com. RR RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-19.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-19.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/19/04: 5 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - Re: Anybody out there/Art Chard (Tim Bronson) 2. 11:06 AM - Re: Re:Anybody out there (Moore, Warren) 3. 12:56 PM - Prop balancing (glennpaulwilkinson) 4. 03:55 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Jim Duffy) 5. 04:38 PM - Re: Prop balancing (Tim Barnes) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Tim Bronson Subject: Re: RV4-List: Anybody out there/Art Chard Hey Rob, Would your friend know how to contact Art Chard? I would like to get in touch with him to ask about the RV-6 tanks. If you don't want to put his contact info on the list, feel free to email me off-line: RV4mation(at)yahoo.com Thanks. Tim rob ray wrote: ...one of them bought an awesome RV4 (nicest one I have ever seen) built by Art Chard. We call it, "a work of art" ha! It has a Bart Lalonde 0-360 with 9.4:1 pistons, RV6 wingtanks (highly recommended) and just plain nice workmanship... --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: "Moore, Warren" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there At first I bought the polyester cowl with the finishing kit. It was really warped and twisted, Vans said that after sitting on their shelf for better part of a year, polyester continues to cure and will warp "some". It was warped more than some, after a couple of months of cutting, re-glassing, sanding, heat-gunning,etc I got an acceptable fit around the inlets, but it never really fit around the cowl cheeks. I gave up, bought the epoxy one. It was not a perfect fit at first, but very close. Did some minor glassing around the inlets. And then, like Bob and everyone else, started sanding. Could you imagine building a entire airplane out of fiberglass!!! After I got a pretty smooth finish I used a credit card and smeared a light coat of real runny micro, and then, of course sanded again and again. Final coat was UV smoothprime, used a roller. tried my spray gun, but think rolling is better. Then hit it with some 400 wet/dry. I think (fingers crossed) I'm ready for final paint. -----Original Message----- From: Bob n' Lu Olds [mailto:oldsfolks(at)aol.com] Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: "glennpaulwilkinson" Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? Glenn RV-4 654RV @ OKZ 27 hrs and loving it! gpww(at)alltel.net ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: "Jim Duffy" Subject: Re: RV4-List: Prop balancing I have been doing dynamic propeller balancing for over ten years and I can tell you that this is absolutely the best money you can spend on preventive maintenanc. It will save you money on structural, avionics, instrument repairs, and reduce pilot fatique. I have done well over 200 and about 90% of the aircraft benifit from it. I charge $150.00, I think most shops start at about this price. Contact Chadwick Helmuth Inc., they have a website and they can tell you who is doing it in your area. Jim, Ogden, Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: "glennpaulwilkinson" Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing > > Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this in Georgia or nearby? > > Glenn > RV-4 654RV @ OKZ > 27 hrs and loving it! > gpww(at)alltel.net > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: "Tim Barnes" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Prop balancing It cost between $150.00 - 250.00 depending on who does it. as far as "if it is worth it" the answer is YES. It makes everything work better and less fatige when you are flying. You will get used to the smoothness very quickly. when finding someone to do this ask your local prop shops or engine performance shops. They can send to the right guy >From: "glennpaulwilkinson" >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: "hello" >Subject: RV4-List: Prop balancing >Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:03:41 -0500 > > >Have any of you had your prop balanced? Are you pleased with the results? >About how much does it cost? Do you know of someone/company who does this >in Georgia or nearby? > >Glenn >RV-4 654RV @ OKZ >27 hrs and loving it! >gpww(at)alltel.net > > --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 02/18/04
RV4 faithful, don't hold your breath on RV4 upgrades as long as Van makes more money selling RV8's and side by side trainers (6-7-9A's), I don't even consider them RV's. I do think he will continue making the kits for the 50 or so 4's he sells every year. After 1100 hours on my RV4 and operating out of 1000' cub strips and a few field roads, climbing to 20K one time with just a wood prop and 150HP, it is the definition of total performance on a budget.I haven't found an airplane I like better except the F16, and that is saying alot. One of my military buds is scratch building a set of P-51 type laminar flow wings for his RV4, but owns a stock RV4 for daily flying.We will see how it performs when it's done... I don't think you could improve the design without becoming a Harmon Rocket and keep the cost low. Keep banging thoses rivets!!! Rob Ray RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-18.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-02-18.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/18/04: 6 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:51 AM - Anybody out there?? (Ron Patterson) 2. 06:33 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Pat Perry) 3. 09:38 AM - Re: Anybody out there? (Moore, Warren) 4. 12:02 PM - Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 (RV4WGH(at)aol.com) 5. 03:05 PM - Re:Anybody out there (Bob n' Lu Olds) 6. 03:27 PM - RV4 Builder (Bruce Bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: Ron Patterson Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there?? Hey Tim, Chuck, Bob, Rob and Hal... Great to hear from you guys. Nobody sounds disappointed in their choice of the -4, as I expected. I've got the Whirlwind 151 on order and a lycoming O-320-D1A out in the shop with Lycon cylinders that puts out 178HP.... that clean design doesn't need so much raw HP in my opinion. Planning on a mostly glass panel including the Dynon and the VM-1000 Have digitrak and altrak ready to go too. I've had a lot of ideas about how to reintroduce this kit with variations, but no knowhow on how to get the engineering done: I'd like to see it offered the way Mark Friedrick does with the F-1... Slider Canopy....like Greg Klema's Prepunched and Quickbuild kit (the layout and drilling is half of the time it takes to build) Slight stretch in the fuse, so the backseat is more comfortable (3-6"). How about the -4 with the new tapered wing from Mark F.??? I think that could be way cool. Ron ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ From: "Pat Perry" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be tough to beat! Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: Ron Patterson >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > > >Hello, > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make >a good business decision. > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' >and how some of us are still at it. > >Ron Patterson >N8ZD reserved >Northern California > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ From: "Moore, Warren" Subject: RE: RV4-List: Anybody out there? I am just finishing my -4 in southern California. Have moved it a hanger in Upland, Ca. (Cable Airport). Hope to get it flying in the next few months. Took me about 5 years, but then again I work full time and have kids. I agree the -4 is stone age compared to the new pre-punched -7 &-8's. By mistake Van's sent me some replacement parts for a -7 rudder, the skin, trailing edge, and all the stiffners were pre cut and pre drilled.....amazing! I'm sure you are tired of making stiffners about now. You are indeed lucky to have a experienced builder as a friend...it will make a big difference in build time and confidence. All in all the -4 kit is pretty good, off hand the only real problem I can remember now is that the plans for the flaps are off. When you build your Flaps...don't drill or rivet the inboard rib or the support brackets for the actuator rods. you can easily do this when your wings are attached to the fuselage and get a perfect fit. If you build them to plans they will be 1/2 to 1 in. too long. Check the archives. Van's will tell you to get a hammer and pound on the fuselage until the flap clears!!!! Also, I don't know if Vans still has the Polyester cowl as standard or not, in any event it was a piece of crap...by all means pay up for the new expoy one, fits better, lighter, and will save you a lot of time and aggravation. If I can think of anything else I'll drop you a note....good luck. Regards, Warren Moore -----Original Message----- From: Ron Patterson [mailto:scc_ron(at)yahoo.com] Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? Hello, I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me (actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make a good business decision. If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' and how some of us are still at it. Ron Patterson N8ZD reserved Northern California ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ From: RV4WGH(at)aol.com Subject: RV4-List: Re: RV4-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 02/17/04 Hi RV-4 Builders, I am in the finishing stage on my RV-4. Currently working on installing the cowling. Driving me nuts! Have the canopy cut out and clamped to the frame. Ready for drilling and forming of the side skins. Engine hung but no system hookups yet. Project is in my heated shop in my hangar at Cottonwood Airport. Wally Hunt 1658 Plaza Drive Rockford, IL 61108 815-332-4708 cell 262-3153 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ From: "Bob n' Lu Olds" Subject: RV4-List: Re:Anybody out there Warren mentions that the polyesester cowling is a piece of crap! Funny, I sent Van's an email telling them the same thing about the new pre-preg cowl !! I sanded and sanded until my air sanders were about worn out , and my fingers were raw , but the @$% & thing wouldn't smooth out. I finally just painted it ! I later found out about "Smooth Prime" from Poly Fibre , on one of these lists. Boy !! What a difference. It goes on with a roller and fills those pinholes in the #$ & fibreglas like magic. Maybe the pre-preg wouldn't have been so disgusting if I had known about the Smooth Prime before. This list and the Van's Air Force yahoo groups are really great !! Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X Charleston,Arkansas ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ From: "Bruce Bell" Subject: RV4-List: RV4 Builder Hi RV4 Folks, I bought plans for the RV4 ( #2888) in 90 or 91. So long ago I forgot in my old age! Bought the tail kit in June 95. RV8 came out that July! This afternoon I wheeled the fuselage out in the driveway and sprayed on the primer coat, also the canopy. It is all done but paint. Wired per Electric Bob's book. Passed the smoke test. No leaks! Bob was very helpful. Starter and alternator B&C. RMI monitor and encoder. AOA by Proprietary Software systems, Inc. Duckworks landing lights. Ignition by Jeff Rose. Fuel injection by Airflow Performance. Val Comm. Radio. Narco transponder. Anyway there are a few RV4's around. I prefer the RV-List for info but do monitor the RV4-List. Can't wait to fly! Best regards, Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV4 # 2888 --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Feb 22, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody out there?
Dude, not alot of posts? Try the Yahoo groups RV4 group...lots of stuff! Also, there is alot of RV4 activity, most of it "flying activity" since more are flying now than being built. I finished mine in 97' and it now has 1100+ hours on it...I challenge any of you RV4 guys to top me on that...keep banging rivets! RR Pat Perry wrote: There are still RV-4 builders and fliers watching the list! Congrats on getting your hands on a great little airplane, you won't be disappointed. It would be a good idea to watch the RV-list also. Most of the info crosses to all RV models. The guys who built -3's -4's and early 6's had to build the same way you do so they have good info to help you out of problems. I agree the -4 is the best looking of the RV's, I have only flown the -6 and the -4 so I can't judge if it fly's better than the others but it would be tough to beat! Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: Ron Patterson >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >Subject: RV4-List: Anybody out there? >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:06:32 -0800 (PST) > > >Hello, > >I've been doing alot of reading, but not much posting on these lists. >Thought I'd try getting involved a bit with fellow builders. > >I'm writing to see if there are still guys building the RV-4? I just >purchased a new kit and started on it about January 1st, 04. Luckily I have >a friend (Mark Koenig) who is an experienced builder and is helping me >(actually I'm helping him). We're about to finish the empennage and I'm >picking up the rest of the kit next week if all goes well. > >No doubt about it, this is the hard way to build an airplane. I now have >alot of respect for the guys that went before me who didn't have the >benefit of the refinements of the later kits (prepunch and quickbuilds). >Getting these -3's and 4's to fly safe and straight is a real effort. Semms >to me It needs to be a labor of love or it won't likely come out right. > >Recently I was in Missoula MT and had the opportunity of meeting Art Chard >at his shop in Stevensville. I learned alot about the evolution of the RV >series and his part in the design and building of them. Nice man. Built 47 >airplanes so far! Was in the midle of an F-1 when I was there in December. > >Seems to me it's too bad Van wouldn't put this kit out in a prepunched >version. I still feel it's his best design. I've spoken to a couple of >folks at the factory and it seems the cost of reverse engineering the kit >would be large and the market for the -3 and -4 pretty small. Wouldn't make >a good business decision. > >If you have built, or you are currently building a -3 or a -4, drop a note >about your experience. Would be good to hear about 'how they used to do it' >and how some of us are still at it. > >Ron Patterson >N8ZD reserved >Northern California > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: r miller <robertpmiller(at)comcast.net>
Subject: pitot routing
Date: Feb 23, 2004
I have an old tank style project (baffle flanges face forward are 5/8 and are pop riveted to skin) I don't think there is enough room to make the offset from the LE rib to behind the tank baffle. Does anyone remember what they did? Also is there a reason not to use ordinary hardware store poly tube flared to an AN fitting for the pitot line? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: r miller <robertpmiller(at)comcast.net>
Subject: pitot line
Date: Feb 23, 2004
I have an old tank style project (baffle flanges face forward are 5/8 and are pop riveted to skin) I don't think there is enough room to make the offset from the LE rib to behind the tank baffle. Does anyone remember what they did? Also is there a reason not to use ordinary hardware store poly tube flared to an AN fitting for the pitot line? ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Feb 23, 2004
Subject: Re:Pitot Line
I routed my pitot line behind the tank and anchored it to the spar flange bolts with adel clamps. I have the old style tank also. I wouldn't want to put vinyl tubing in there,since if it develpoed a leak you would have to remove the tank to replace it. I wanted the permanent aluminum line in there. My opinion only. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date: Mar 03, 2004
DNA: not not archive
Subject: [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics...
Dear Listers, First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said... There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such things as: "your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access" "Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account" "Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions." "Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to configure our free auto-forwarding service." All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your system", or "check your system for infections". These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and propagate even more copies of the original message. The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com", "administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com". The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged source address, seem even more legitimate. Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily basis. Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this email with any comments. You may write to me directly at dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List. Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages. Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date! Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in an 18 hour period! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -- Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 04, 2004
Subject: MT Propeller group buy
Hi All, MTV-17-C/178-59 electric CS propeller for Lycoming O-320 engine. The is a 70" diameter 2 blade propeller including spinner and electric governor. Delivered assembled to your door in the USA. I need 16 orders to get an assembled in Southern California price of $7,100 as a group buy. I have 7 now. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) If I don't get 16 orders, the price would be $7,600 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) The hydraulic 70" diameter 2 blade MT propeller can be included in this order. MTV-11-C/178-59 hydraulic CS propeller including spinner. $6,700 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) As part of a 16 person group buy, $6,250 assembled in Southern California. Approximate extra cost of $150 to deliver to your door in the USA. (Across USA.) Contact me at jim(at)lessdrag.com if you are interested in this group buy. Jim Ayers OEM Distributor for MT Propeller ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Roger Crandell" <rwc000(at)hotmail.com>
rv8-list(at)matronics.com, rv9-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Mar 08, 2004
Can anyone recommend a source for a two port (two transducer) manifold? Van's sells a three port unit, but I only need two ports. I could cut off one port on the Van's unit, but would rather not do that. Thanks Roger Crandell Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 12, 2004
From: Joa Harrison <sigmatero2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: tall pilots in RV-4s
What is the height of the tallest pilot you've seen comfortably fly an RV-4? Any idea whether it's the sitting height or the inseam that limits the height? For taller pilots where does the instrument panel sit in relation to your knees- is it in front or behind your kneecaps during rudder travel and about how close is it to your knees? Can any simple mods be done to allow for taller pilots? Raising the lower edge of the panel, adding a spacer to the canopy, dropping the seat a bit, etc? Thanks folks. Joa --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 12, 2004
From: "Bill Gunn" <WGUNN(at)dot.state.tx.us>
Subject: Re: tall pilots in RV-4s
I am 6'2" - inseam 36 inches. I moved the FCP seat back rearward 1 inches & made the connecting straps between the rudder cables and petals 5" vs. 4 " called for. I get full rudder deflection, just. I often fly in socks only and put my feet on the firewall side of the rudder petals on long flights. Finally, I made a 5 - 6 " diameter round covered foam thigh support that sits on top of the spar. This is the width of the cockpit and held in place with velcro. This supports my thighs and take the strain off of the back. I have flown 8 hours X/C in a day in relative comfort. >>> sigmatero2(at)yahoo.com 3/12/2004 9:54:27 AM >>> What is the height of the tallest pilot you've seen comfortably fly an RV-4? Any idea whether it's the sitting height or the inseam that limits the height? For taller pilots where does the instrument panel sit in relation to your knees- is it in front or behind your kneecaps during rudder travel and about how close is it to your knees? Can any simple mods be done to allow for taller pilots? Raising the lower edge of the panel, adding a spacer to the canopy, dropping the seat a bit, etc? Thanks folks. Joa --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: rebibb(at)comcast.net
Subject: Re: tall pilots in RV-4s
Date: Mar 12, 2004
I am 6'5" and fit in my RV-4. I moved the front seat back 3/4". You can't move it much the canopy fram brace will interfere with the roll bar structure. Comfortable is a realative term but I flew it for 6 hours in 3 hour legs to OSH and it wasn't too bad.... > > What is the height of the tallest pilot you've seen comfortably fly an RV-4? > Any idea whether it's the sitting height or the inseam that limits the height? > > For taller pilots where does the instrument panel sit in relation to your knees- > is it in front or behind your kneecaps during rudder travel and about how close > is it to your knees? > > Can any simple mods be done to allow for taller pilots? Raising the lower edge > of the panel, adding a spacer to the canopy, dropping the seat a bit, etc? > > Thanks folks. > > Joa > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 12, 2004
From: Joa Harrison <sigmatero2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tall pilots in RV-4s
Thanks for the info, you're all very helpful. I'm 6'7" but am fairly evenly proportioned between torso and legs and fit in a lot of different planes (the smaller ones being an Ercoupe and a C-152). I'm just finishing the build of a Rans S-7, which I fit marvelously in, and it's this seating configuration (tandem) that has me thinking of my next possible plane (a few years down the road). The RV-4 would give me tandem seating, a fairly affordable used aircraft, and of course the benefit of belonging to a great community of other RV owners. Thanks again for the information. Joa Joa Harrison wrote: What is the height of the tallest pilot you've seen comfortably fly an RV-4? Any idea whether it's the sitting height or the inseam that limits the height? --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: tall pilots in RV-4s
Date: Mar 13, 2004
From: "Steven Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
I am 6'3" and 195. I had to extend the rudder cables a bit and take some foam out of the seat cushion. I fit with no problems... -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com on behalf of Joa Harrison Subject: RV4-List: tall pilots in RV-4s What is the height of the tallest pilot you've seen comfortably fly an RV-4? Any idea whether it's the sitting height or the inseam that limits the height? For taller pilots where does the instrument panel sit in relation to your knees- is it in front or behind your kneecaps during rudder travel and about how close is it to your knees? Can any simple mods be done to allow for taller pilots? Raising the lower edge of the panel, adding a spacer to the canopy, dropping the seat a bit, etc? Thanks folks. Joa --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 13, 2004
Subject: Re: >Re: Tall pilots in RV-4's
I am 6' tall and 190# and my pilot seat is 3" cushion with a 2" styrofoam block under that . My headset clears the canopy OK. The rudders have the links the length specified on the plans. I can put my feet against the firewall behind the rudder pedals to fully extend my legs in flight. Bob Olds RV-4 , N1191X A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject:
Date: Mar 14, 2004
Hello! My question concerns priming/painting. I have just repainted my -4 which unfortunately makes my quesion "out of date". Anyway, I am concerned with possible problems with corrosion. Old primer and paint was removed. Some local sanding was done around the tips etc. where the alclad was disrupted. Now the question: I used 2-component etching primer followed by an adhesion primer and then the paint. Is this sufficient to protect from corrosion? If not, is there something I can do in this stage? Thanks in advance, Tobias Dagoo, Stockholm Sweden ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
From: Joa Harrison <sigmatero2(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-4s in the backcountry
A buddy and I at work are having a discussion of RVs used on rough and short Idaho backcountry strips. He says, "I would love an RV-4 but would never take it into the backcountry." Any of you happen to have any pics or neat stories about RVs in very challenging strips (places a little more challenging than Moose Creek, Johnson Creek, etc)? How do the spring steel gear legs and tailwheel hold up to rough strips? Thanks. Joa ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 15, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV-4s in the backcountry
Hi Joa, Just so happens I have taken my RV4 to Idaho every summer since 97'. I have landed at Upper and Lower loon, Sulphur Creek, Harris Ranch, Moose Creek, Soldier Bar and Wilson Bar along with Johnson Creek and Big Creek. I keep the wheelpants (old style) on and had no problems at any of them. I designed my wheelpants to get beat up from the gitgo, adding alot of glass to the bottom. The key is to practice landing as slow as you can at home, then looking at the strips you like. I can tell you 80% of them are easy in an RV and the other 20% aren't worth hurting any airplane, much less an RV. I have landed on Mile Hi (not in my 4) and can tell you it's no better camping than Upper Loon. I have attached a photo of my RV4 at Upper Loon. Like any backcountry flying, practice, plan and execute carefully. If in doubt, take Lori's class at www.mountaincantonflying.com Good Luck! Rob Ray Joa Harrison wrote: A buddy and I at work are having a discussion of RVs used on rough and short Idaho backcountry strips. He says, "I would love an RV-4 but would never take it into the backcountry." Any of you happen to have any pics or neat stories about RVs in very challenging strips (places a little more challenging than Moose Creek, Johnson Creek, etc)? How do the spring steel gear legs and tailwheel hold up to rough strips? Thanks. Joa ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cye Vaughan" <cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com>
Subject:
Date: Mar 25, 2004
I have a strange one. My RV-4 with 36 total hours (Van's 180 Lyc, Sensenich metal prop) has a very strange harmonic that seems to run through the airframe. This happens in level flight, mostly above 140 mph indicated at 8000' and as speed is increased toward 170 indicated it seems to beat at a faster rate. Rpm is between 2300-2500. If you have ever flown a twin with the engines slightly out of synch you would recognize the sound. Kind of a "wow-wow-wow" sound. I had the prop checked for balance and it was so good it didn't need any balancing. There is no apparent vibration in any of the controls, everything outside is tight, canopy locks down tight. This is a good airplane, flies straight, and except for this strange sound I couldn't be happier with it. If anyone has heard of or experienced this problem I would sure like to hear about it. By the way, I called Van's and spoke to one of his guys who had never heard of this. Cye Vaughan Elko NV cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 25, 2004
From: Arvil <arvil(at)bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: e: RV4-List:
Put on another prop and see if it still dose it,---- Fly in another RV-4 and see if it still dos it might be just an RV-4 sound---- Check the motor mounts ------ if you are still not sadasfide check the gear feairing and weel pants for aliment!----- if you are at your wits end by then and it still has the the sound ---- check your antennas they can set up a harmonic that will drive you plum nuts-- Good luck' Arvil Cye Vaughan wrote: > > I have a strange one. My RV-4 with 36 total hours (Van's 180 Lyc, Sensenich metal prop) has a very strange harmonic that seems to run through the airframe. This happens in level flight, mostly above 140 mph indicated at 8000' and as speed is increased toward 170 indicated it seems to beat at a faster rate. Rpm is between 2300-2500. If you have ever flown a twin with the engines slightly out of synch you would recognize the sound. Kind of a "wow-wow-wow" sound. I had the prop checked for balance and it was so good it didn't need any balancing. > > There is no apparent vibration in any of the controls, everything outside is tight, canopy locks down tight. This is a good airplane, flies straight, and except for this strange sound I couldn't be happier with it. > > If anyone has heard of or experienced this problem I would sure like to hear about it. By the way, I called Van's and spoke to one of his guys who had never heard of this. > > Cye Vaughan > Elko NV > cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com > ________________________________________________________________________________
From: Oldsfolks(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 25, 2004
Subject: Strange Vibration
Someone had quite a discussion going awhile back on a vibration which they changed by shifting the prop alignment in relation to top dead center of the pistons. Maybe you could try changing the prop setting one hole at a time to see if it would go away? Then again your crank lugs may prevent doing that. It sounds like the prop harmonics though. Bob Olds -- RV-4 , N1191X oldsfolks(at)aol.com A&P , EAA Tech. Counselor Charleston,Arkansas Real Aviators Fly Taildraggers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Mar 26, 2004
Subject: Re: strange one
Hi All, Van's had a vibration occurring in the same speed range on their RV-8. They traced to the engine baffle seal material vibrating against the cowl. If I recall correctly, their seal strip had been push aft, instead of facing forward towards the engine. Jim Ayers ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Pat Perry" <pperryrv(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: E: RV4-List:
Date: Mar 26, 2004
Check all of your cowl clearances. One little contact point from the engine, airbox, or baffle will cause a loud noise in the airfram. If the engine has a slight orbital cycle like a gyroscope gets when it is wandering off its axis I could imagine it making that kind of noise. I had a slight contact point with my airbox and cowl that would make a load noise during any 1.2G or more manuver that drove me nuts until I moved the box 1/4" to the left. Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: "Cye Vaughan" <cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com> >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV4-List: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:55:49 -0800 > > >I have a strange one. My RV-4 with 36 total hours (Van's 180 Lyc, Sensenich >metal prop) has a very strange harmonic that seems to run through the >airframe. This happens in level flight, mostly above 140 mph indicated at >8000' and as speed is increased toward 170 indicated it seems to beat at a >faster rate. Rpm is between 2300-2500. If you have ever flown a twin with >the engines slightly out of synch you would recognize the sound. Kind of a >"wow-wow-wow" sound. I had the prop checked for balance and it was so good >it didn't need any balancing. > >There is no apparent vibration in any of the controls, everything outside >is tight, canopy locks down tight. This is a good airplane, flies straight, >and except for this strange sound I couldn't be happier with it. > >If anyone has heard of or experienced this problem I would sure like to >hear about it. By the way, I called Van's and spoke to one of his guys who >had never heard of this. > >Cye Vaughan >Elko NV >cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com > > download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 26, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: E: RV4-List:
Pat, I hate to say it, but my RV4 had the exact same airframe vibrations with a Sensy metal prop. I tried dynamic balancing, harmonic dampener and many different power settings and finally sold the prop and put a Catto on. Problem solved. That's not to say you have the same problem, but I tried a second sensy from a friend to "break it in" for him and get some performance numbers. Again, the same problem re-appeared. When I re-mounted my Catto prop, problem solved. One thing I would re-check is the mag timing and Electronic Ignition timing if you have it. It's critical on an 0-360. Also, dynamic balancing is cheap insurance, that might help too. For me, prop removal was the fix. Good Luck. Rob Ray Pat Perry wrote: Check all of your cowl clearances. One little contact point from the engine, airbox, or baffle will cause a loud noise in the airfram. If the engine has a slight orbital cycle like a gyroscope gets when it is wandering off its axis I could imagine it making that kind of noise. I had a slight contact point with my airbox and cowl that would make a load noise during any 1.2G or more manuver that drove me nuts until I moved the box 1/4" to the left. Pat Perry Dallas, PA RV-4 N154PK Flies great! >From: "Cye Vaughan" >Reply-To: rv4-list(at)matronics.com >To: >Subject: RV4-List: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:55:49 -0800 > > >I have a strange one. My RV-4 with 36 total hours (Van's 180 Lyc, Sensenich >metal prop) has a very strange harmonic that seems to run through the >airframe. This happens in level flight, mostly above 140 mph indicated at >8000' and as speed is increased toward 170 indicated it seems to beat at a >faster rate. Rpm is between 2300-2500. If you have ever flown a twin with >the engines slightly out of synch you would recognize the sound. Kind of a >"wow-wow-wow" sound. I had the prop checked for balance and it was so good >it didn't need any balancing. > >There is no apparent vibration in any of the controls, everything outside >is tight, canopy locks down tight. This is a good airplane, flies straight, >and except for this strange sound I couldn't be happier with it. > >If anyone has heard of or experienced this problem I would sure like to >hear about it. By the way, I called Van's and spoke to one of his guys who >had never heard of this. > >Cye Vaughan >Elko NV >cyenjoy(at)ctnis.com > > download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Rob Ray Subject: Backcountry RV4 http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/smokyray@yahoo.com.03.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Subject: [ Rob Ray ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Rob Ray Subject: Two Best RV's... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/smokyray@yahoo.com.1.03.27.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net>
Subject: Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2)
Date: Mar 27, 2004
Hello everyone! With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to be the best ever. People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks! ~~Cory Emberson KHWD >>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<< Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004 at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX) www.smxgig.org SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year, our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado! "MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed, energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education. If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org. All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson. Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals): MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps. ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a remarkable job of making physics phun! BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee. DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments regarding our fuel of choice. MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but return "home" often. As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card. Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com). DOLLARS AND CENTS Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers. The fee is $160 per person, and will cover: - Friday afternoon welcome party - Friday evening dinner banquet - Saturday and Sunday tech sessions - Saturday afternoon lunch - Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe - Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson - Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help, but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how many existing guests are in those rooms. You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and I will take care of the reservations. Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11, 2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate. The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend. The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ). Thanks, and see you there! best, Cory Emberson ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Mar 30, 2004
Subject: [ H.Ivan Haecker ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: H.Ivan Haecker Subject: The Other Two Best RVs... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/baremetl@gvtc.com.03.30.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: RV-4 Tail Kit for Sale
Date: Jan 08, 2004
Hi Guys & Gals, This gentleman (Joe Fox) has an RV-4 tail kit for sale. Give him a call, or email his son "Dave". Chuck From: Dave Fox To: crabaut(at)coalinga.com Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Barnstormers Listing: RV-4 or RV-6 kit or airframe WANTED Hello Chuck, I saw your ad on barnstormers for the RV-4 or 6 kits. My father has the empennage kit for the RV-4 in the box. He is 83 and will never build it and I am pretty sure he is willing to part with it. If you are interested his name is Joe Fox in Morton, Illinois(outside of Peoria). Phone 309-266-5195. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, David Fox, Anchorage, Alaska ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 10, 2004
Subject: [ Bob Olds ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures(at)matronics.com>
A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Bob Olds Subject: Two more of the Very Best RV's http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/Oldsfolks@aol.com.04.10.2004/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures(at)matronics.com ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut(at)coalinga.com>
Subject: Anyone heard of an RV-4 w/ an O-290 on it ?
Date: Apr 10, 2004
Okay experts (and the rest of you), Has anyone ever heard of an RV-4 with an O-290 mounted on the nose? Will the same conical mount for the O-320 work for the O-290 also? How does an RV-4 fly (take-off, cruise, aerobatics, landing wise) with less than 150 HP ? Thanks, in advance, for all replies. Chuck ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Steve Mullins" <smullins(at)drury.edu>
Subject: Anyone heard of an RV-4 w/ an O-290 on it ?
Date: Apr 11, 2004
I have an 0-290 in my RV-4 and love it. It is not nearly as fast as the higher hp birds, but it is easy on the gas and does the aerobatics that I am comfortable with just fine. Lots of rolls and hammerheads, split esses, a few loops, etc. Mine cruises at about 140 mph at 65% power and burns a little more than 5 gph. I think the mount is the same as the 0-320, but I didn't build my RV so can't be sure. Landing approach is 65-70 solo, a bit faster dual, indicated stall is 50 mph. The only shortcoming with the lighter engine up front is that passenger weight and storage are issues. I am 190, and with my 140 lb partner and 30 lbs of baggage behind her seat, the aircraft starts to get very sensitive in pitch. I installed some straps to hold a small backpack on top of the battery storage area between my legs to put a bit more weight forward. I have a wooden (light) prop and no harmonic balancer on the nose, both contribute to my light nose. It is not a problem solo or with light passengers. Steve D. Mullins Associate Professor of Economics Drury University 4178737299 (office) 4178895609 (home) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of C. Rabaut Subject: RV4-List: Anyone heard of an RV-4 w/ an O-290 on it ? Okay experts (and the rest of you), Has anyone ever heard of an RV-4 with an O-290 mounted on the nose? Will the same conical mount for the O-320 work for the O-290 also? How does an RV-4 fly (take-off, cruise, aerobatics, landing wise) with less than 150 HP ? Thanks, in advance, for all replies. Chuck == == == == ________________________________________________________________________________
From: PGLong(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 14, 2004
Subject: STS Loran Manual Needed
OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com, ExperimentalAvionics(at)yahoogroups.com I have an STS Loran, 120 MC that I don't have a manual for. Does anyone have one I could borrow long enough to make a copy? I'll pay for all postage. STS is out of business and of no help. Thanks in advance for your help. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N120PL RV4 Ready to paint Bay City, Michigan ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 15, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/14/04
Dude, a Garmin 195 here at SNF is $350....buy a GPS, let the STS feed the fishes... Rob Ray RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-04-14.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-04-14.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/14/04: 1 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:58 AM - STS Loran Manual Needed (PGLong(at)aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: PGLong(at)aol.com Subject: RV4-List: STS Loran Manual Needed OhioValleyRVators(at)yahoogroups.com, ExperimentalAvionics(at)yahoogroups.com I have an STS Loran, 120 MC that I don't have a manual for. Does anyone have one I could borrow long enough to make a copy? I'll pay for all postage. STS is out of business and of no help. Thanks in advance for your help. Pat Long PGLong(at)aol.com N120PL RV4 Ready to paint Bay City, Michigan --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill(at)repucci.com>

Subject: Lycoming O-290 D2B accessory case question
Date: Apr 23, 2004
I purchased the above mentioned engine for my RV-9. It appears to be in great shape and has low time, I'll find out more when I start disassembling it. The only gottcha is that it doesn't have a fuel pump, which prompted the following questions: 1) What O-290 accessory cases accept the fuel pump and where should I look for such a thing? 2) Can I substitute an accessory case from an O-235 or O-320? If so, which ones? 3) Are any of you flying with an Aero Carb from Sonex (http://www.aeroconversions.com/carb_index.html)? If so, could you give me some feedback? If all else fails, I'm thinking I could install two electric fuel pumps, with check valves, one pump fused directly to the battery, etc. but I would prefer to have an engine driven pump. Thanks for the help! Bill R. Huntersville, NC RV-9 SN: 90737 N941WR (Reserved) One wing down, one to go. ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 24, 2004
From: rob ray <smokyray(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RV4-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 04/23/04
Hi Bill; I have experience with both questions. First the 0-290 is a great engine, period. It is very similar to the early 0-320 Narrow Decks. The early Super Cubs and cruisers had this engine and didn't need fuel pumps however, the blank pad is there on some cases and you can machine out the hole, put in a pump gear and you are in business. Some 0-320 ND acc cases will retrofit, check with a Lycoming shop. You can also find an 0-290G case that has been modified for 2 mags and a pump through the Thorpe T18 folks www.t18.net or even run 2 electric fuel pumps all the time (pri and boost) and have a header tank behind the inst panel which leads into my next answer. The Aero Carb by aeroconversions was specifically designed for small continentals and VW's to provide a gravity feed fuel system with a throttle-body type carb set-up. When you hook a fuel pump to it there are problems outlined in the following article with photos. I recommend a marvel carb for simplicity if you don't plan to do acro. http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/11-22-03.htm The 0-290 is a great engine and there are alot of them out there providing 7gph flying on a budget and very light weight. I have flown one in a T18, Cessna 140 and an RV4 and found them to have alot of bang for the buck. Good Luck! Rob Ray RV4-List Digest Server wrote: * ================================================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================== Today's complete RV4-List Digest can be also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV4-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-04-23.html Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv4-list/Digest.RV4-List.2004-04-23.txt ================================================ EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================ RV4-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/23/04: 1 Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:00 PM - Lycoming O-290 D2B accessory case question (Bill Repucci) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RV4-List: Lycoming O-290 D2B accessory case question I purchased the above mentioned engine for my RV-9. It appears to be in great shape and has low time, I'll find out more when I start disassembling it. The only gottcha is that it doesn't have a fuel pump, which prompted the following questions: 1) What O-290 accessory cases accept the fuel pump and where should I look for such a thing? 2) Can I substitute an accessory case from an O-235 or O-320? If so, which ones? 3) Are any of you flying with an Aero Carb from Sonex (http://www.aeroconversions.com/carb_index.html)? If so, could you give me some feedback? If all else fails, I'm thinking I could install two electric fuel pumps, with check valves, one pump fused directly to the battery, etc. but I would prefer to have an engine driven pump. Thanks for the help! Bill R. Huntersville, NC RV-9 SN: 90737 N941WR (Reserved) One wing down, one to go. --------------------------------- ________________________________________________________________________________
From: LessDragProd(at)aol.com
Date: Apr 25, 2004
Subject: MT Propeller Sale
RV10(at)yahoogroups.com First Annual MT Propeller Sale! Anyone interested in buying a new MT Propeller? Tell me what you engine and aircraft you want it for, and I'll provide a quote. Van's price delivers the MT Propeller to an MT Propeller assembly facility. Assembly can cost between $300 to $800. Less Drag Products, Inc. quoted price will typically be below Van's price, delivered to your door. Jim Ayers jim(at)lessdrag.com Less Drag Products, Inc. MT Propeller Certified Assembly 805-795-5377 ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2004
From: Scott Vanartsdalen <svanarts(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MT Propeller Sale
Jim, How about a quote for an RV-4? O320-D2A motor. LessDragProd(at)aol.com wrote: First Annual MT Propeller Sale! Anyone interested in buying a new MT Propeller? Tell me what you engine and aircraft you want it for, and I'll provide a quote. Van's price delivers the MT Propeller to an MT Propeller assembly facility. Assembly can cost between $300 to $800. Less Drag Products, Inc. quoted price will typically be below Van's price, delivered to your door. Jim Ayers jim(at)lessdrag.com Less Drag Products, Inc. MT Propeller Certified Assembly 805-795-5377 -- Scott VanArtsdalen RV-4 N311SV, FLYING!! When a man does all he can though it succeeds not well, blame not him that did it." -- George Washington ________________________________________________________________________________
Date: Apr 25, 2004
From: Greg Hunsicker <Greg(at)furnacesafetyconsultants.com>
Subject: MT Propeller Sale
RV-4 0320-A2B 150 hp, would like quote on Electric CS and details of what is suggested. Thanks Greg -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv4-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd(at)aol.com rv4-list(at)matronics.com; RV10(at)yahoogroups.com Subject: RV4-List: MT Propeller Sale First Annual MT Propeller Sale!

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