Aviation-Archive.digest.vol-aa
August 22, 1999 - January 12, 2006
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle 925-606-1001) |
Welcome to the Aviation-List Email List at Matronics!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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| From: | AAMRELECTR(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Electrical HOW TO'S |
Hello List members. We are AAMR/AirCore.
We have a site that is Experimental Aircraft Builder friendly.
The index for our HOW TO index is
http://members.aol.com/aamrelectr/Page44.html
Regards.
John @AAMR/AirCore
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle 925-606-1001) |
| Subject: | New Email Lists Added to the Matronics Server!! |
Dear Listers,
In the spirit of the existing and extremely popular Internet Email Lists
currently hosted at Matronics such at the RV-List, Zenith-List, and Kolb-List,
I have just added a number of new Lists and cordially invite everyone to have a
look at the long list of Forums now available. Email Discussion Lists now
include the following categories:
aerobatic-list
aviation-list
beech-list
cessna-list
ez-list
glasair-list
homebuilt-list
kolb-list
lancair-list
piper-list
rocket-list
rv-list
sailplane-list
seaplane-list
ultralight-list
warbird-list
yak-list
zenith-list
These Lists all include both a real-time distribution as well as a daily
"digest" version. All Lists also include archive files that can be searched
using the custom designed high speed web search engine. The archives may also
be viewed directly using the custom browsing interface.
All of these services are brought to you Free of Charge compliments of
Matronics, although voluntary contributions are always graciously accepted
using a Secure Web Contribution Web Page.
I encourage you to surf over and have a look at the Email List Web sites
and subscribe to as many of the available Lists as you wish. There is an
extremely handy and easy to use web page now for subscribing and unsubscribing
to your favorite Forums. Here are a couple of URLs to check out:
http://www.matronics.com/other.html Main Email List Web Site
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe List Subscription Form
http://www.matronics.com/contribution Secure Contribution Site
I look forward to seeing you on the Lists and to our future discussions. If
you've ever been subscribed to the RV-List or any of the other Lists at
Matronics, you already know the quality and "family" atmosphere that is
typified by these Lists.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Two MORE Email Lists at Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
At the request of a couple of members, I have added two more Email Lists to
the Servers here at Matronics. These include:
avionics-list(at)matronics.com
Aircraft Avionics related topics such as Radios, GPSs, VSIs, DMEs, etc.
engines-list(at)matronics.com
Aircraft Engine related topics such as Lycomings, Auto conversions, etc.
As usual, the new lists have full archive searching and browsing capabilities.
You may subscribe to the new lists by using the Web-Based subscription form
at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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| From: | Dennis Douglas <ddouglas(at)coastside.net> |
| Subject: | Facet Fuel Pump Info |
Hey Builders!
I have some information about the Facet fuel pumps used to transfer fuel
in our airplanes. To support the Pillar Point Avionics "Smart Switch"
Fuel Pump Controller, we have tested threee different models of Facet
pump: the 40171, the 40105, and the 40106. The differences fall into
two distinct categories that relate to pump-off forward and reverse
leakage flows.
Physically, the 40105 and 40
The Facet 40171 pump is the type sold by Stoddard-Hamilton Aircraft ,
Inc. (360-495-8533) to serve as a transfer pump for transferring fuel
from the auxiliary tanks to the main tanks. The 40171 costs about $54
each. The Facet 40105 and 40106 are sold by numerous suppliers,
including Aircraft Spruce and Specialties (800-824-1930 (west);
800-831-2949 (east)), Chief Aircraft (800-447-3408), Wicks
(800-221-9425) and others and typically used in the Zenith and other
aircraft for transferring fuel from an aux tank to a header tank. The
40105/6 pumps cost about $28 to $32 each.
Physically, the 40105 and 40106 are identical. Both Chief Aircraft and
Aircraft Spruce picture these pumps in their catalogs. The 40171 looks
slightly different than the 40105 / 40106 models in that the inlet and
outlet ends of the pump are about 1/4 inch longer than the 40105 / 40106
to accommodate the check and foot valves. (I haven't found any pictures
of the 40171.) Functionally, there is a world of difference between the
40171 and the 40105 / 40106.
All three model pumps have a "lift" capability and can draw fuel from
at least 3-feet. All three move the fuel at about 0.5 gal/min, or about
30 gal/h when they are operating.
In the "OFF" state, however, the differences between the pumps become
more obvious. At a 30-inch head pressure, the 40105 and 40106 pumps
have a forward "leak" rate or drain rate of about 15 gal/h. These pumps
thus flow freely in the forward direction at about one-hald the pumping
rate.... In the reverse direction, the 40105 and 40106 drain backwards
at between 0.05 ga/h to about 0.25 gal/hr, with a mean value over a
dozen tests with four different pumps of about 0.1 gal/h. (As a point
of reference, 0.1 gal/h is about one drop per second). Compare these
numbers to the 40171 pump, which showed no detectable leakage in the
"OFF" state in either the forward or reverse directions over several
hours.
The utilization implications are pretty clear: If your "from" tank is
higher that the "to" tank, you need the 40171 pump to prevent your
"from" fuel from draining into your "to" tank. If your "from" and "to"
tanks are at about the same level, you should still use the 40171 pump
to prevent an exchange of fuel. If your "from" tank is lower than your
"to" tank, you can use any of the pumps described, but if you use the
40105 or 40106, you should use a check valve on the outlet side of the
pump to present your "to" tank from draining back into your "from"
tank. Wicks lists a check valve at about $24, so cost-wise the 40171
may represent a better bargin because it has the checks built into
them....
Pillar Point Avionics offers fuel pump controllers for all of these
pumps. For the 40171 pump, PPAv provides the XFR-12-2-5F model
controller; for the 40105 and 40106 pumps, PPAv provides the
XFR-12-2-5G model controller. We developed the "G" model when we found
that the operating characteristics of the 40105 and 40106 were just
different enough from the 40171 to make control of those pumps with the
"F"-model Smart Switch less reliable than we wanted.
If you have a PPAv controller and are building a GlaStar or another
airplane that uses the 40171 pump(s), the original production "F" model
will be just fine. If you have the 40105 or 40106 pumps, you will need
the "G" model controller. If you need the "G" model controller and have
NOT been contacted by PPAv, then please contact me by email at
mailto:ddouglas(at)ppavionics.com or by fax (650-726-9567) or by telephone
(650-740-1516).
You can identify the model by looking at the mounting tab on the pump.
One side of the mounting slot will be stamped "40" and the other side
will be stamped "105", 106" or "171". If you have a different model
pump and want to use the PPAv Smart Switch Fuel Pump Controller to
reduce your aux fuel management workload, please contact us. You can
read about the PPAv Controller at
http://www.ppavionics.com
Dennis Douglas
Pillar Point Avionics, Inc.
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | JPI vs. Matronics Settlement Reached... |
Dear Listers,
After seven months of negotiations, JP Instruments, Inc. and Matronics
have reached a mutually agreeable settlement. As most of you are aware,
in February of this year, JP Instruments, Inc. alleged that Matronics'
use of the trademark "FuelScan" with its aircraft fuel management system
infringed upon JP Instruments, Inc's trademark "Scanner" for engine
temperature indicators. JP Instruments, Inc. requested that Matronics
discontinue the use of the "FuelScan" mark. After considerable
negotiations, we have come to an agreement whereby JP Instruments, Inc.
will purchase the FuelScan trademark and, if necessary, assist in paying
the cost of Matronics' adoption of a new trademark. Matronics will
continue to sell and market its aircraft fuel management system under
the FuelScan trademark until a phase-out period of up to one year is
completed. This will allow Matronics time to sell out its current stock
of units marked with the FuelScan trademark and to develop a new
trademark.
While negotiations have been a bit trying at times, I would like to say
that I am satisfied with the outcome, and feel that JP Instruments, Inc.
has treated Matronics and me fairly in this matter. Furthermore, I
would encourage you to consider JP Instruments for your aircraft
avionics in the future as they manufacture an excellent product line.
Finally, I would like to thank everyone from around the world for their
support and consideration in this matter. I was quite moved by the
support - both financial and in the form of letters and comments - that
builders and pilots provided me and my company during this time. I
never felt alone during this period, and so very much appreciated the
encouragement from thousands of my friends! Thank you so very much!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
President, Matronics
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| From: | Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-homebuilt ,
list-kolb ,
list-lancair ,
list-piper ,
list-rocket ,
list-rvcanada ,
list-seaplane ,
list-tailwind ,
list-warbird ,
list-yak ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | Heated Pitot Tubes |
Greetings to the List,
I just received a new supply of heated pitot tubes. They are the
PH502-12CR (this used to be called the AN5812), and the AN5814-1. Both
styles of these pitot tubes are 12 volt and only come in a chrome
finish. The PH502-12CR has only the dynamic source for the air speed
indicator, but the AN5814 has a heated static source as well and it
looks good. I sell the PH502-12CR for $135 and the AN5814 is $199.
I also sell the mounting bracket kits to hold the pitot to your
aircraft. These are also available in the same chrome finish as the
pitot tubes to make a beautiful installation. These mouning bracket kits
come with all the parts needed for the installation and come with some
detailed instructions and photos of the process. This kit will work on
either a metal airplane or composite. The price of the mounting bracket
kits is $105.
All of my prices INCLUDE shipping in the US.
I have other products that may be of interest to you. If you would like
a set of flyers on my products, provide me with you US Postal Mail
address and I will send you a set.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
3664 East Lake Drive
Littleton, CO 80121
303-770-3811
gretz_aero(at)h2net.net
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | [Please Read] List Fund Raiser Continues; LOC #1 December |
1st!
Greetings Listers!
Don't forget the 1999 List Fund Raiser is still in progress and there is
still plenty of time to make a Contribution and assure yourself a place
on on the first List Of Contributors (LOC)! I will post the first LOC
on December 1st and it will detail everyone that has generously made a
Contribution so far this year!!
It costs a great deal to maintain the Email and Web server systems and
high-speed Internet connection that provide the Email List services
found here. I won't even mention the many, many hours I spend each week
running the Lists, doing backups, handling subscription requests, and
creating new email and web features and services such as the Archive
Search Engine, and Archive Browser... Whoops; I think I just did! :-)
This year's Fund Raiser started out pretty slow and I was starting to
think that no one appreciated me anymore... ;-) But, in the last week
or so things have really started to pick up! So if you haven't made a
Contribution yet this year, why not join your email List friends and
make a contribution today to support the continued operation of these
Lists!
There are two easy methods for making your Contribution:
* Make a SSL Secure Web Contribution using your Visa or MasterCard,
surf over to:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution.html
* Make a Contribution by check, send US Mail to:
Matronics
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
I would like to sincerely thank everyone who has already made a
Contribution so far this year! I greatly appreciate your generosity and
support and want you to know that these Lists have been made possible
directly by *YOU*!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Your Email List Administrator
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 1999 List of Contributors #1 and a Special Thank You Message!! |
Dear Listers,
I would like to personally thank each and everyone that has contributed
this year to 1999 List Fund Raiser! As you can see from the list of
names below, there were many, many generous people from the Lists this
time around and I want everyone to know just how much your support has
meant to me. The list of members below includes those that have
contributed during this year's List Fund Raiser as well as those that
have contributed throughout the year and also those that made a donation
to my Legal Defense Fund earlier in the year that was sponsored my our
own Bob Nuckolls of Aero Electric.
I want everyone to know just how much it means to me to receive the type
of financial support for these Lists that I have this year. As the Lists
have grown so much over the last few years, so have the equipment costs
as well as the monthly costs such as the Internet connectivity. Your
generosity during the Fund Raiser and throughout the year, truly makes
the continued operation, and more importantly, the continued upgrade and
improvement of these aviation-related services directly possible. That
is the bottom line. Please accept my most sincere appreciation of the
amazing and, at times, overwhelming generosity of so many of you
wonderful people! Thank you!!
For those of you that didn't quite get your contribution in on time for
this first List of Contributors - be it by check or by credit card - I
will be posting a followup List of Contributors #2 for 1999 in a few
weeks to make sure that I properly acknowledge each and everyone of the
generous List members. One last time, the addresses to make a contribution
are:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or
Matt Dralle
c/o Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Finally, thank you all so much for your support this year both in terms
of the financial contribution but also in the form of the letters and
moral support during what can only be categorized as a very stressful and
unsettling time. And I think you know what I'm referring to... Your
support and encouragement meant more to me than you'll ever know. I felt
as if I had 2500 friends all behind me, and that's a *powerful* force!
Well done one and all! Thank you!
Best regards for the upcoming year.
Your Email List Administrator,
Matt Dralle
RV-4 Builder #1763
=================== 1999 List of Contributors #1 ====================
Abell, John
Acker, Rob
Adams, Bob
Adamson, Larry
Ahamer, Karl
Albachten, Rudy III
Alcazar, Jesus
Allen, Brent
Allison, Steven
Ammeter, John
Amundsen, Blair
Anderson, Edward
Armstrong, Robert
Arnold, James
Aronson, David
Ashford, James
Ashton, Kent
Atkinson, Harold
Baggett, Robert
Baker, Gary
Baker, Ray
Baldwin, James
Barlow, Melvin
Barnes, Thomas
Barnes, Tom
Barnhart, Dave
Barrenechea, Godo
Battles, Brenton
BB Diversified Services, LTD
Bechtel, Amos
Bell, Bruce
Belted Air Power LTD.
Benhan, Dallas
Bennett, Peter
Besing, Paul
Bieber, Mike
Bilodeau, Paul
Bird, Carroll
Blanton, Stan
Bleier, Roger
Blomgren, Jack
Blum, Ronald
Boadright, Kyle
Boardman, Don III
Boatright, Kyle
Boatright, Robert
Bodie, Pete
Bonesteel, Wayne
Booze, Gregory
Borne, Charles
Bourgeois, Rion
Bourne, Larry
Bovan Pe, Vaso
Bowen, Larry
Bowen, Miles
Bower, Bob
Bowhay, Eustace
Bowman, Brian R
Boyd, Rodney
Branscomb, Warren
Bray, Garrett
Brian Lloyd
Brick, John
Bridgham, David
Brogley, Mike
Brooks, Chris
Brooks, John
Brott, Marvin
Brown, Kent
Brown, Scott
Buckwalter, David - Avionics Systems
Burlingame, Ralph
Burnham, Dave
Calhoun, Ronald
Calvert, Jerry
Cantrell, Ken
Capen, Ralph
Cardinal, Gregory
Carey, Christopher
Carr, David
Carter, Jerry
Carter, Ron
Casey, Jeremy
Chapple, Glen
Chesnut, Bruce
Chesnut, William
Christensen, Peter
Christie, William
Churchill, Frank
Ciolino, John
Clabots, Gerald
Clark, Howard
Clark, James
Clary, Buck
Clay, Dennis
Cloughley, Bill
Cole, Ed
Colontonio, Moe
Colucci, Anthoney
Conaway, James
Cook, David Sr.
Cooley, John
Copeland, Forrest
Corder, Michael
Corriveau, Grant
Cotter, Timothy
Cox, Carson
Croby, Harry
Crosley, Richard
Cullen, Chuck
Czinkota, Garnet
Dall, Richard
Daudt, Larry
Davidson, Jeff
Davis, Christopher
Davis, Jared
Davis, Steve - The Panel Pilot
Davis, William
Day, Robert
Deffner, David
Del Peso, Jose
Derrik, Chuck
Desmond, Richard
Devine, Steven
Devlin, John
Dewees, Ron
Dial, J.R.
Dominey, Clifford
Dorsey, Bob
Downing, Jeff
Dubroc, Tommy
Dudley, Richard
Duffy, Russell
Duncan, John
Dunlap, E.T.
Dziewiontkoski, Bob
Eagleston, Ron
Eagleston, Ronald
Eastburn, James
Elder, William
Elhai, Irv
Emrath, Marty
Ensing, Dale
Ervin, Thomas
Erwin, Chip - Czech Aircraft Works
Evans, Monte
Exstrom, Daniel
Faile, David
Farrar, Jeffrey
Farris, Paul
Fetzer, George
Fiedler, Mike
Filucci, Michael - Red Dragon Aviaion
Finch, K
Flaherty, Edward
Floyd, Joseph
Ford, David
Forrest, Gerald
Forsting, Robert
Fortner, Earl
Four Star Products
Frank, Dan
Franz, Carl
Frazier, Vince
Frederick, Mark
French, Edwin
Friedman, Frank
Froehlich, Carl
Fromm, John
Fry, John
Funk, Edwin Jr.
Funnell, Augustus
George, William
Gilbert, Mark
Giusti, Roberto
Glaser, Arthur
Glass, Roy
Glover, Ken
Gold, Andy - Builder's Book Store
Goldberg, Mark
Good, Chris
Gooding, Lawrence
Goolsby, Jim
Gott, Shelby
Goudreault, Jacques
Graham, James Jr.
Grant, Jordan
Griffin, Bill
Griffin, Randy
Groom, Larry
Guillosso, Alain
Hale, Michael
Hales, Sherman
Hall, Bob
Hall, Thomas
Hamer, Steven
Hamilton, Thom
Hamilton, William
Hand, Chris
Hansen, Ronald
Hargis, Merle
Harmon, John
Harper, Malcom
Harrill, Roy
Harris, John
Hart, Daniel
Harvey, Doug
Hassall, J.C.
Hastedt, Margaret
Hatch, Fletcher III
Hatcher, Clive
Hatfield, Cecil
Hays, Wes
Henderson, George
Henderson, Randall
Heritch, Ian
Herndon, Richard
Herren, Bill
Hevern, Jerry
Hiatt, Mark
Hiers, Craig
Hinch, Christopher
Hine, Joe
Hinkley, Curtis
Hinrichsen, James
Hodge, Jack
Hodgson, Bob
Hodson, Frank
Hoffman, Carl
Holcombe, Richard
Horton, Kevin
Hoshowski, Ken
Hrycauk, Dave
Hughes, Robert
Hulen, Fred
Hundley, Richard
Hurd, James
Hurlbut, Steve
Hutcheson, Ken
Ihlenburg, Fred
Ingram, Jim
Irace, Bill
Irwin, Eric
Isler, Jerry
Ivers, James
James, Larry
Janes, Bob
Janicki, Steven
Japundza, Bob
Jeens, Ken
Johannsson, Johann
Johnson, Jackie
Johnson, Stephen
Jones, Bryan
Jones, Rob
Jones, Russ
Jonker, Bill
Jordan, Thomas
Jory, Rick
Kampthorne, Hal
Kayner, Dennis
Keithley, Rick
King, Da Ve
Kirby, Dennis
Kirby, Graham
Kirtland, Charles
Kitz, John
Knezacek, Dan
Knievel, Gerald
Knoll, Bruce
Kosta, Michael
Kowalski, Ed
Krueger, Dan
Krueger, Scott
Kuss, Charlie
Laczko, Frank Sr.
Lamb, Richard
Lane, Kevin
Lassen, Finn
Laurence, Peter
Laverty, Mike
Lawson, John
Leaf, Dave
Lee, John
Lee, Ric
LeGare, Garry
Leggette, Len
Leonard, William
Lerohl, Gaylen
Lervold, Randy
Lewis, Terry
Lewis, Tim
Ligon, Howard
Lind, Laird
Linebaugh, Jeffrey
Loeber, Wayne
Ludeman, Bruce
Lutes, Rick
Mac Donald, Lawrence
MacKay, Alex
Malczynski, Francis
Mandell, Tom
Marino, Anthony
Marion, Chris
Markert, Michael
Marshall, Robert
Martin, Tom
Maxson, Phil
Mazatuad, Mme Hyun Sook
McElhoe, Bruce
McFarlane, Lloyd
McGee, Michael
McHarry, Joe
McHenry, Tedd
McKibben, Gerald
McNamara, Don
Melder, Frank
Melia, Tom
Metzger, Stephen
Meyers, John
Miller, Jim & Dondi - Aircraft Technical Support
Mitchell, Duane
Moen, Craig
Mojzisik, Allan
Molzen, Jason
Mondy, Malia
Moore, Thomas
Moore, Warren
Morelli, Bill
Morelli, William
Morris, Daniel III
Morrison, Mark
Morrow, Dan
Moulin, Roger
Munn, Mike
Murphy, Ray Jr.
Neal, Danny
Nellis, Michael
Nelson, James
Nelson, Jim
Newell, Alan
Nguyen, Thomas
Nice, James
Nicely, Vincent
Norris, Rob
Nowakowski, Donald
Noyer, Robert
Nuckolls, Robert
Olendorf, Scott
Olson, Larry
Olson, Tom
Orear, Jeffrey
Owens, Laird
Palinkas, Gary
Pardue, Larry
Paulson, Craig
Peck, Bill & Kathy
Peer, Michael - Jem Aviation
Peryk, Dennis
Peternel, Stanley
Petersen, Eric
Petersen, Paul
Peterson, Alex
Pflanzer, Randy
Phillips, Mark
Pickrell, Jim
Pike, Richard
Pinneo, George
Pittenger, Dick
Plathey, Claude
Point, Jeff
Polstra, Philip
Porter, Richard
Porter, Robert
Potter, Mark
Pretzsch, Robert
Ragsdale, Bill
Randolph, George
Ransom, Ben
Rathbun, Richard
Reeck, Jay
Reed, Derek
Reed, Frank
Reisdorfer, Mark
Reynolds, Richard
Richardson, Ray - Powersport Aviation Inc.
Riedlinger, Paul
Riley, Stuart
Roach, Brian
Rodgers, Brian
Rosales, Paul
Rowbotham, Charles
Rowles, Les
Rozendaal, Doug
Rutherford, Ted
Sa, Carlos
Sager, Jim
Sailer, Martin
SanClemente, Andrew
Sapp, Doug
Sargent, Tom
Sax, Samuel
Schemmel, Grant
Schippers, John
Schmitt, Clayton
Schneeflock, Robert
Schrimmer, Mark
Schwarz, Guillermo
Selby, Jim - JKL Aviation Sales
Seward, Douglas
Shackleford, Howard
Shafer, Jim
Shank, Bill
Sheets, Douglas
Shenk, Doug
Shepherd, Dallas
Shettel, Maurice
Shipley, Walter
Sigmon, Harvey
Silverstein, Chuck
Sipp, Dick
Slaughter, Mike
Small, Thomas
Smith, Clayton
Smith, Edmund
Smith, Philip
Smith, Shelby
Smithey, Lloyd
Snyder, David
Solecki, John
Sparks, Timothy
Stafford, David
Staub, Skip
Steer, Bill
Stobbe, Bruce
Stoffers, Larry
Stone, James
Strandjord, Eric
Swaney, Mark
Tauch, Eric
Tauchen, Bryan
Taylor, Tod
Team Rocket
Thayer, George
Therrien, Michel
Thistelthwaite, Geoffrey
Thoman, Daniel
Thomas, Lee
Thomas, Tim
Thompson, Michael
Todd, John
Tompkins, Jeff
Tower, John
True, George
Tucker, Harold
Tuton, Beauford
Tyrrel, Charles
Upshur, Bill
Uribe, Guillermo
Uribe, Gullermo
Utterback, Thomas
Van Der Sanden, Gert
Vandervort, Ronald
VanGrunsven, Stanley
Varnes, William
Volum, Peter
Von Ruden, Dennis
VonLindern, Paul
Vosberg, Roy
Waligroski, Gregg
Walker, Tommy
Walrath, Howard
Ward, Ed
Warren, John
Washburn, Oliver
Watson, Dennis
Watson, Terrence
Watson, William
Webb, Randol
Weber, Ed
Weber, Edward
Weller, Michael
Wendel, Jim
Wentzell, David
Werner, Russ
Werner, Russell
Westridge, David
Whelan, Thomas
Whiler, Douglas
Whitehead, Arthur
Wiesel, Dan
Wigney, John
Williams, Jimmy
Williams, Keith
Williams, Lawrence
Willig, Louis
Wills, Mike
Wilson, Billy
Wittman, James
Wood, Denton
Wood, John
Wood, Mark
Worstell, Glen
Worthington, Victor
Wotring, Dale
Wymer, Gerald
Young, Charles
Young, Rollin
Youngblood, Barry
Zeidman, Richard
Zigaitis, Kestutis
Zinkham, Ralph
Zwart, Frank
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99 |
Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/99: 0
I just get ZERO messages posted everyday. Where are the messages? What am I
doing wrong?
Ricardo Guimaraes
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)accessus.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99 |
Did you get your message back? If so you are the only poster!!!
Cy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!
(Click here to visit our Club site at http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
Date: Saturday, January 01, 2000 8:57 AM
Subject: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99
>
>
>Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/99: 0
>I just get ZERO messages posted everyday. Where are the messages? What am I
>doing wrong?
>
>Ricardo Guimaraes
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve <btsteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99 |
I guess there is nothing going on.
Wish where was more participation.
Steve
owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
> Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/99: 0
> I just get ZERO messages posted everyday. Where are the messages? What am I
> doing wrong?
>
> Ricardo Guimaraes
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Larry & Karen Gooding <GOODING(at)hargray.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99 |
Steve,
Try the RV List - it's a real barn-burner.
Karen
>
>I guess there is nothing going on.
>Wish where was more participation.
>Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Steve <btsteve(at)ev1.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99 |
But my interest is in Classic rag and tube aircraft and Warbirds!
We need more Warbird suff...... technical stuff...
Steve
Larry & Karen Gooding wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Try the RV List - it's a real barn-burner.
>
> Karen
>
> >
> >I guess there is nothing going on.
> >Wish where was more participation.
> >Steve
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 01/03/00 |
I am not receiving any message. What should I do?
----- Original Message ----- > Total Messages Posted
Mon 01/03/00: 0
> --------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Steven J. Devine" <steve(at)tzogon.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 01/03/00 |
>
>I am not receiving any message. What should I do?
>
>----- Original Message ----- > Total Messages Posted
>Mon 01/03/00: 0
>> --------------------
Pray that people start sending messages?
Steve
Steven J. Devine, President, Consultant, TZOGON Enterprises Incorporated
steve@tzogon.com HAM Tech lic: N1YZJ http://www.tzogon.com
http://www.tzogon.com/~steve/glass_cockpit
http://www.tzogon.com/~steve/stolch801
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 01/01/00 |
Steve,
I was sure internet will help with my dead breath. Is that me people is not
coming? Can you feel my breath from there Steve? Can you recomend me any
help?
Ricardo
>
>
> Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/99: 0
> I just get ZERO messages posted everyday. Where are the messages? What am
I
> doing wrong?
>
> Ricardo Guimaraes
>
>
____
> From: "Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)accessus.net>
> Subject: Re: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99
>
>
> Did you get your message back? If so you are the only poster!!!
>
> Cy Galley - Editor, B-C Contact!
> (Click here to visit our Club site at
http://www.bellanca-championclub.com)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
>
> Subject: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99
>
>
> >
> >
> >Total Messages Posted Fri 12/31/99: 0
> >I just get ZERO messages posted everyday. Where are the messages? What am
I
> >doing wrong?
> >
> >Ricardo Guimaraes
> >
> >
>
>
____
> From: Steve <btsteve(at)ev1.net>
> Subject: Re: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 12/31/99
>
>
> I guess there is nothing going on.
> Wish where was more participation.
> Steve
>
> owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com wrote:
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Looking for plans |
Anyone have a set of plans for a Rose Parakeet?
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Looking for plans |
Ed:
Don't have Rose Parrakeet plans, but rather Pajarito (Ed Sweat,
Farmington). I just sold my 'keet to a fellow in Dallas.
You may also want to visit:
http://www.replicraftaviation.com/roseintro.htm
The airplane pictured is the one I just sold.
By the way, Parrakeet has two "r's" and not one (old-fashioned
spelling).
If you are truly interested in Plans I will consider selling my
set or copy thereof. I know the fellow who just purchased my
bird has a set also.
Jim Ivey
Ed0248(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> Anyone have a set of plans for a Rose Parakeet?
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 1999 List of Contributors #2! |
Dear Listers,
Below is the final List of Contributors for 1999 as promised. Again, I
would like to thank everyone that made a generous contribution in 1999
to support the continued operation of these email Lists. Your support
directly makes the quality and quantity of this service possible.
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
RV-4 Builder, #1763 - N442RV
=================== 1999 List of Contributors #2 ====================
Adamson, Arden
Allender, Patrick
Anonymous from MN
Asher, M.E.
Baxter, Rob
Bell, Doug
Bendure, Ryan
Bergh, David
Berrie, Robert
Blake, J.I.
Boucher, Michel
Bragg, Medford
Briegleb, Ross
Brietigam, Charles
Broomell, Glenn
Brusilow, Michael
Chatham, Robert
Clary, Buck
Coats, Lonnie
Cook, Craig - Golf Instruments Co.
Cooper, James
Cribb, William Jr.
Crosby, Harry
Dane, Bill Von
Dziewiontkoski, Bob
Ellenberger, Mike
Embree, Roger
Faatz, Mitch
Fasching, John
Gibbons, Robert
Glauser, David
Gold, Andy -Builder's Bookstore 10%
Gregory, Steve
Grenier, Raymond
Guarino, Michael
H., Harold - E.P.M.AV Corp
Hale, Brian
Hunt, Wallace
Johnston, Leroy
Jordon, Don
Killion, Clay
Klingmuller, Dr. L.M.
Magaw, David
Mains, Ralph
Maltby, Michael
Martin, Cliff - Martin Metal Fab
Mazataud, Hyun Sook
McBride, Duncan
McDonald, James
Mendenhall, Elbie - E.M Aviation
Mitchell, Duane
Morley, Harold
Peck, Phil
Pessel, Garnett
Rodebush, James
Ross, Jonathan
Schmidt, John
Scully, William
Smith, Steven
Spence, Stephen
Triff, Wes
Wagoner, Richard
Weaver, Brian
Wiegenstein, John
Wiley, Robert
Wilson, Donald
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Confusion Over "List of Contributors"... |
Hi Listers,
I'm really sorry for the confusion over the most recent posting of the
List of Contributors #2. List #2 contained only the contributor names
*since* the List #1 was posted. So, if you weren't on List #2, you were
likely on List #1. Below are URLs to each of the LOC #x postings.
Again, sorry for the confusion. I should have made it more clear in
the verbiage.
Thanks to everyone,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
List of Contributors #1 - 1999
------------------------------
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
List of Contributors #2 - 1999
------------------------------
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
============================================================================
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Re: (Whoops) Confusion Over "List of Contributors"... |
>
>Okay, here are the *real* URLs. Sorry...
>
>
>Matt Dralle
>Email List Admin.
>
>
>============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
>
>
> List of Contributors #1 - 1999
> ------------------------------
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_
>of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
>
>
> List of Contributors #2 - 1999
> ------------------------------
>
>
>http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53146?KEYS=list_
>of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=YES
>
>
>============================================================================
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Re: (No, Really - Here are the URLs) Confusion Over "List |
of Contributors"...
Geeze, I can't seem to type today. Here are the *real*, *REAL* URLs.
Sorry for so many posts... Ack
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
============================= LOC #1 and #2 ================================
List of Contributors #1 - 1999
------------------------------
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=29144?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
List of Contributors #2 - 1999
------------------------------
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=53146?KEYS=list_of_con?LISTNAME=Homebuilt?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=11144111847?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
============================================================================
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-engines ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-lancair ,
list-piper ,
list-tailwind ,
list-seaplane ,
list-yak ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | wire lacing string |
Greetings to the List,
I have eight spools of the wire lacing string I told many of you about a
few weeks ago. If any of you are interested please call, leave a
detailed message, or send an e-mail (off List), include your VISA or
MASTER CARD number, expiration date of the card, your name, address, and
how many rolls you want. FIRST EIGHT THAT CONTACT ME GET THE SPOOLS OF
STRING. The spools of string are new and $12 ea. including shipping to
a US address. This is a very low price for this product.
What is this string anyway you ask!
It is string or lacing tape used to tie up wires into bundles. It is
the most light weight, and most inexpensive product for doing this job.
I have used this type of material extensively and I really like it.. It
is extremely fast to tie and use.-- Make a clove hitch around the
bundle, and then a square knot to finish. I think you will like it as
much as I do. It is self extinguishing polyester #MIL-T-43435B, Type II,
Finish C, Size 3. In short this is what is used most often for this job.
It is flat braided so it will not cut into or deform as badly as round
string. The finish of this material makes knots stay tied. The spools
are 500 yd. spools. Granted, a spool is enough to do many airplanes, but
your will find many uses for this stuff as I have. Or, sell what you
have left over to another builder when your are done.
Thanks
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
303-770-3811
gretz_aero(at)h2net.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-engines ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-homebuilt ,
list-lancair ,
list-piper ,
list-rocket ,
list-sailplane ,
list-seaplane ,
list-tailwind ,
list-ultralight ,
list-warbird ,
list-yak ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | [Fwd: RV-List: Aeroelectric.com] |
I wanted to pass this on to all of you.
Warren Gretz
Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:24:22 -0700
From: Warren Gretz <gretz_aero(at)h2net.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Aeroelectric.com
--> RV-List message posted by: Warren Gretz
I just talked to Bob yesterday and asked him if his internet host/provider
has a problem. They do. He said he has not been able to do anything since
last Thursday. Today, Monday he was going to seek out a new provider that
hopefully will provide continous service. It may be a few more days, but he
will be back.
Warren Gretz
Fran Malczynski wrote:
> --> RV-List message posted by: "Fran Malczynski"
>
> Has any body else had a problem connecting to "Electric Bob's" website? I
> printed off a document on it last week and haven't been able to connect
> since.
>
> Fran Malczynski
> RV6 (fuse)
> Olcott, NY
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Internet Explorer and List Subscription Page Problem... |
Listers,
I have just identified a problem between any version of Microsoft's
Internet Explorer and the email List Subscription Form found at
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Please note that this problem
*ONLY* affects users of Internet Explorer! Netscape users are
*not* affected by the issue. Users of Internet Explorer should
use the Netscape browser for now until a work around can be
developed.
IMPORTANT:
If you have tried to subscribe *or* unsubscribe from any of the
following email lists using *Internet Explorer* since the announcement of
the 7 new Email Lists this past weekend, your request was not properly
received and you should resubmit the request using the Netscape
Browser, or wait until a solution for the problem with Internet Explorer
is completed. The Lists affected by the Internet Explorer issue are:
RVCanada-List
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Skymaster-List
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Sonerai-List
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Please note that the Netscape Browser *IS NOT* affected by this problem
and all lists can be subscribed to and unsubscribed from without a
problem.
I will post a message to the Lists when I have come up with a solution
to this problem.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
"Internet Explorer and List Subscription Page Problem..." (Feb 15, 10:19am)
| Subject: | Re: Web Subscription Page Operation for Internet Explorer |
Restored...
Dear Listers,
I have rewritten the web page and CGI code for processing List
Subscription Requests to now be more compatible with command line
limitations of Microsoft's Internet Explorer and some very
old versions of Netscape. The page seems to be working fine
now on whatever browser I try. Please feel free to resume
your normal List Subscription habits.
The URL is: http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
>--------------
>
>
>Listers,
>
>I have just identified a problem between any version of Microsoft's
>Internet Explorer and the email List Subscription Form found at
>http://www.matronics.com/subscribe Please note that this problem
>*ONLY* affects users of Internet Explorer! Netscape users are
>*not* affected by the issue. Users of Internet Explorer should
>use the Netscape browser for now until a work around can be
>developed.
>
>IMPORTANT:
>
>If you have tried to subscribe *or* unsubscribe from any of the
>following email lists using *Internet Explorer* since the announcement of
>the 7 new Email Lists this past weekend, your request was not properly
>received and you should resubmit the request using the Netscape
>Browser, or wait until a solution for the problem with Internet Explorer
>is completed. The Lists affected by the Internet Explorer issue are:
>
> RVCanada-List
> RVEurope-List
> Sailplane-List
> Seaplane-List
> Skymaster-List
> SmithMini-List
> Sonerai-List
> Tailwind-List
> Ultralight-List
> Warbird-List
> Yak-List
> Zenith-List
>
>
>Please note that the Netscape Browser *IS NOT* affected by this problem
>and all lists can be subscribed to and unsubscribed from without a
>problem.
>
>I will post a message to the Lists when I have come up with a solution
>to this problem.
>
>Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Admin.
>--------------
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http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
list-aerobatic ,
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-engines ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-homebuilt ,
list-lancair ,
list-piper ,
list-rocket ,
list-rvcanada ,
list-seaplane ,
list-tailwind ,
list-warbird ,
list-yak ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | New Gretz Aero website! |
Greetings to all,
I am glad to announce that my new webpage is up and running. If you
would like to see the aircraft products I offer, and the information I
provide on options for equipment installed on aircraft, you may want to
check out my website. Be sure to bookmark this site as it will continue
to grow.
The webpage address is:
http://www.gretzaero.com
I hope you find it interesting.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Glang007(at)aol.com |
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | NOTICE: Matronics Web Server Back Online... |
Dear Email Listers,
The Matronics Web and FTP server is finally back online! What a
nightmare... But at least its finally done and in all honesty the
system is running much better. Everything should be working now
including the Search Engine, Archive Browser, various List-related
pages, Matronics Product Pages, Online Ordering, Real Video server
and Contribution pages.
Again, I'm sorry it took so long to get things back - way longer than I
ever intended.
Have fun!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | PLEASE READ: Network Problems To Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
My ISP is upgrading their network today 4/30 and tomorrow 5/1. I
noticed that Nameservice (DNS) went down last night around 3am which
causes all sorts of problems. If your message post was rejected between
about 3am 4/30 and 1pm 4/30, please repost as it was rejected do to the
DNS being down. I've redirected my systems to a different DNS server in
the mean time and things seem to be working right now. In any case, be
aware that there may be continuing issues over the next couple of days
both posting email messages and accessing the web server.
My ISP *promises* that things are going to be so much better after the
upgrade! We'll see... ;-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/10/00 |
I finally did it! I ran out of room for my 'toys' and projects. To make
room for my rapidly expanding collection of AirBike and Sky Scout parts (to
say nothing of a bit of extra money to spend on them), I have to get rid of
my O200 project engine. It was on my '66 150 until two years ago, when I was
able to buy a low-timer off a wreck. I had plans to rebuild this engine and
sell it, but you know how projects go. Anyway, it is an O200-A, pull start,
with 2200 SCMOH. One cylinder has less than 40 hours on it, and the engine
was running strong when I pulled it. Comes with Slick mags, carb, starter,
generator, and vacuum pump.
This isn't some dusty 'anchor' sitting in the corner of the shop. I've kept
it covered and is clean, as when removed.
Oh, yeah...I'm asking $4200 OBO, and I think I have enough wood laying around
to build a shipping box for it. Of course shipping will be borne by buyer.
E-mail me at Ed0248(at)aol.com.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-homebuilt ,
list-lancair ,
list-rocket ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | Gretz Aero Products |
Hello listers,
I have been told lately that a few builders have been trying to get in
touch with me. Several months ago my e-mail address changed when I got
my website up. My current e-mail address is info(at)gretzaero.com
My website address is www.gretzaero.com
You should take a look at the products I make and sell for builders at
this website. The most popular item is the heated pitot tube mounting
bracket. I also sell heated pitot tubes at a great price. There are
several other items there I am sure you will be interested in also.
Please contact me by e-mail, or the phone if you have questions.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
303-770-3811 evenings and weekends or leave a message on the recorder
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Project for sale |
I have for sale a '93 Skyhopper II, 45TT with no fwf. Damage to left
gear/wing area. It is an easy fixer and inexpensive way into homebuilt
aviation. Plans go with plane. $2500 OBO, or would consider Rose Parakeet or
Team AirBike projects as trade. E-Mail Ed0248(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/12/00 |
Can we get a picture?
Ricardo Guimaraes
RV 9 builder waiting kit to be sold complete
AME, PP flying a Saratoga and a basic UL
Belo Horizonte Brazil
piper(at)holhos.com.br
----- Original Message -----
From: Aviation-List Digest Server <aviation-list-digest(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 3:57 AM
Subject: Aviation-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/12/00
> *
> Aviation-List Digest Archive
> ---
> Total Messages Posted Mon 06/12/00: 1
>
>
____
> From: Ed0248(at)aol.com
> Subject: Aviation-List: Project for sale
>
>
> I have for sale a '93 Skyhopper II, 45TT with no fwf. Damage to left
> gear/wing area. It is an easy fixer and inexpensive way into homebuilt
> aviation. Plans go with plane. $2500 OBO, or would consider Rose Parakeet
or
> Team AirBike projects as trade. E-Mail Ed0248(at)aol.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Room at OSH available |
Well, my on-again off-again plans for OSH are off again, at least for most
of it, so the room I had reserved will be available. This is a room with a
queen bed in a nice house with central air. The hostess, Sharon Hawkins,
provides continental breakfast. She works the EAA too so it should be
possible to catch a ride with her to and from the show when she goes. The
house is close to a bus line so you can get to/from that way too. Its
available for the whole show.
If interested, contact Sharon Hawkins, 920-232-8554.
Please email me if you get the room so I can get my deposit back.
Randall Henderson
randall(at)edt.com
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| From: | "Randall Henderson" <randallh(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Room at OSH taken |
Looks like the room I posted at OSH (Sharon Hawkins') has been taken
(Charlie, be sure to let me and/or the list know if anything changes.)
I will in fact be going but not until Friday or Saturday, and I'll just
camp. Look forward to seeing y'all!
Randall Henderson, RV-6 N6R (~100 hrs)
Portland, OR
http://www.edt.com/homewing
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| From: | Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
list-aerobatic ,
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-beech ,
list-cessna ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-lancair ,
list-rocket ,
list-tailwind ,
list-zenith
| Subject: | Gretz Aero products web site |
Greetings Listers,
I have a web site you may be interested in looking at. All of my
products are listed there with photos and prices.
The address is http://www.gretzaero.com
I hope you like what I offer.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
________________________________________________________________________________
Olease remove me from your lists
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Warren Gretz <warrengretz(at)gretzaero.com> |
list-aviation ,
list-avionics ,
list-ez ,
list-glasair ,
list-lancair ,
list-rocket
| Subject: | Heated pitot tubes |
Hello builders,
I currently have a large stock of Heated Pitot Tubes in the popular
PH502-12 CR (formaly AN5812) and the AN5814 which has a heated static
source built in to it. Both of these pitot tubes are 12 volt.
I also have heated pitot tube mounting bracket kits for the above pitot
tubes.
There are other items that may be of interest to you for your project.
To see the above mentioned pitot tubes and mouting brackets and all the
rest of my products, look at my website at
http://www.gretzaero.com
You may contact me by phone in the evenings and on weekends. You may
also send me your order by way of my website.
Warren Gretz
Gretz Aero
303-770-3811
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | larry laporte <llapo(at)dmv.com> |
please un-subscribe to all mail list thank you
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO <david.foelker(at)columbus.af.mil> |
| Subject: | RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
Please unsubscribe me from Czech-List.
V/R,
David Foelker
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| From: | Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO <david.foelker(at)columbus.af.mil> |
| Subject: | RV-List: RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
--> RV-List message posted by: Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO
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V/R,
David Foelker
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | larry laporte <llapo(at)dmv.com> |
| Subject: | RV4-List: (no subject) |
--> RV4-List message posted by: larry laporte
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| From: | Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO <david.foelker(at)columbus.af.mil> |
| Subject: | RV4-List: RE: Czech-List: Unsubscribe |
--> RV4-List message posted by: Foelker David J LtCol 50FTS/ADO
Please unsubscribe me from Czech-List.
V/R,
David Foelker
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| From: | larry laporte <llapo(at)dmv.com> |
| Subject: | RV-List: (no subject) |
--> RV-List message posted by: larry laporte
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| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 08/24/00 |
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"Aviation-List Digest Server"
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | A Season of Giving - Please Support Your List! |
Dear Listers,
As my good friend Al Mojzisik from the RV-List forum has pointed out in
his humorous style this morning, its time for the Annual List Fund
Raiser! For those that are new to the Lists since last year, I'd like
to just mention what its all about. I have always run the List services
here completely free of charge to the members. This includes the Email
Lists, Archive Search Engine, as well as some of the other goodies found
on the servers. My policy has always been that I will never charge a
'fee' to sign up for any of the email Lists and I have also turned down
a number potentially lucrative of 'commercial' offers to provide
advertising space either on the various web pages or on in each of the
outgoing emails. I have always graciously declined these offers,
however, because I have felt that the friendly, homey feeling of the
commercial-free site was very appealing. I have also felt that offering
the services here for free is the best way to stimulate the greatest
membership, and in my opinion, this is the most important element in the
success of a forum such as this. So, once again, I will restate my
commitment to always keeping all of the services here on the Matronics
servers free to everyone.
That being said, I must also say that running this system is far from
free for me, however. I am continually trying to provide the best, most
reliable service possible and have continued to upgrade the systems as
necessary to maintain or improve the level of service I provide. Quite
aside from the "real costs" involved in the maintenance of a service
like this, however, is the time commitment necessary to keep everything
running and time required to produce new and improved software
enhancements to make the whole experience more enjoyable for everyone.
On the average I spend 10 to 20 hours a week handling subscription
requests and related problems, maintaining the existing computer code
base, and developing new utilities for the List community.
The whole List site (web server and email server) continue to run across
the 768kb/sec DSL-based Internet connection. Connections to the servers
have generally been pretty reliable and performance has been good. Up
time for the connection has approached the 99% mark.
If you regularly enjoy the services provided here, I would ask that you
make a Contribution in any amount in which you are comfortable. Your
Contribution will be used to directly support the continued operation
and improvement of all these services, and as always, I will turn your
Contributions back into more upgrades and improvements. It is truly an
investment in the future of these Lists.
To make a SSL Secure Web Contribution using your Visa or MasterCard,
please go to the following URL and follow the simple instructions:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution.html
To make a Contribution by check, please send US Mail to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
As I have done in the past, I will post a "Contributors List" at the end
of the Fund Raiser, personally acknowledging each and everyone that has
generously made a Contribution this year!
Finally, I just want to say *Thank You* to everyone that has supported
me and my operation here this year. Your support and encouragement
means a great deal to me and I feel like I have friends literally from
all around the world!
Sincerely,
Matt Dralle
Your Email List Administrator
dralle(at)matronics.com
============================================================================
>--------------
>--> RV-List message posted by: Al Mojzisik
>
>Well folks,
>
>I hate to spring this on you without much advance warning and all but it's
>November already. For you newer List members you may not know but this is
>the time of year we all give "thanks" for all that Matte Dralle has done
>for us with this RV-List. the customary way of saying "thanks" is with a
>voluntary donation of cash through Matte's own simple and safe contribution
>hot-line at:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>It's really rather painless and actually gives you a good warm and fuzzy
>feeling inside after you have made your contribution. Now last year I
>relied heavily on guilt to get some of you harder nuts to crack to ante
>up. This year I hope that in keeping with the election year theme I can
>learn something from the experts........"It's for the children."
>
>Yes your contribution will help children everywhere learn about the high
>moral values that are inherent in the RV family of aircraft. As our young
>charges surf the Internet for information on various things that we don't
>want them to know about, they may stumble across the Matronics Website and
>become aware of the RV-List and other interesting forums that Matte
>provides. This in turn may change there lives as they see what can be
>achieved through hard work and perseverance. They will learn how the polite
>exchange of idea's between consenting adults can result in the birth of one
>(or more) of the finest aircraft in existence today. They can become aware
>of a whole world out there that had previously been unknown or out of reach
>to them. So in the interest of our children, send your contribution to
>Matte to help the RV-List live long and prosper.............Darn, got my
>tongue caught in my cheek there for a moment.
>
>Once again, you can make your contribution through credit card at:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> c/o Matt Dralle
> Matronics
> P.O. Box 347
> Livermore, CA. 94551
>
>I would like to pledge at this time that I will not place any negative
>advertising in the hope of raising funds for RV-List support. (Unless you
>folks hold out too long, then look out!) Let's have a real clean campaign
>this November and get out the contributions! AL
>--------------
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Hello Listers!
This is just a reminder that the Annual List Fund Raiser is currently
underway. Won't you make a Contribution today to support the continued
operation and upgrade of this valuable resource? Your Contribution can
be made via a Secure SSL Internet Transaction with your Visa or
MasterCard at the URL shown below or you may send it via US Mail to the
address also listed below.
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
P.O. Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you for your support! Your generosity directly makes this List
possible.
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | AP-IA Bookstore <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
| Subject: | 10% for Matronics |
AP-IA Bookstore and eCharts is happy to do again, what we did successfully
last year. That is to donate a portion of our sales for the month of
November to the maintenance of the aviation-list.
10% FOR MATRONICS
Starting now, 10% of any purchase from either AP-IA Bookstore or eCharts
will be put aside as a donation to the aviation list, as our thanks for
this excellent resource for pilots and AMTs. We will run this special
throughout November with a check for the total amount presented to Matt on
December 1st 2000.
To designate your share, please write the words "10% for Matronics" in the
Special Instructions box on the on-line order form. Or, if you order
something by phone, just tell me when you call.
Thank you Matt for this excellent service.
Andy Gold
AP-IA Bookstore (for A&P technicians, working and student)
http://AP-IAbooks.com
eCharts (VFR/IFR aviation charts and directories)
http://eCharts.cc
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Homebuilt-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> Homebuilt-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Zenith-List: 2000 List Fund Raiser Underway... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Hi Listers,
Just a quick reminder that the 2000 Email List Fund Raiser is underway
and participation so far as been good. If you haven't made your
contribution yet, won't you take a moment and make one today? The
continued operation and improvement of these services are directly
enabled by the generous contributions of its members.
You may make a contribution with either your Visa or Mastercard using
the Matronics SSL Secure website at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or with a personal check to:
c/o Matt Dralle
Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551
Thank you to all those that have already made a contribution!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Huge Apology for "List Malfunction"... |
Dear Listers,
I am so embarrassed by the List-gone-crazy tonight! I'm not sure
exactly went wrong. I'm suspecting that someone with an email account
at msm.com may have been reposting my message from this morning over
and over again maliciously spamming the system, but I can't really
prove that.
In any case, I am hugely embarrassed and sorry for the ton of messages
that went out tonight regarding the 2000 Fund Raiser. Something went
wrong on the system or somebody did me wrong; in either case I
apologize for the huge dump of messages.
My sincerest apologies...
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented... |
Dear Listers,
With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting)
and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was
clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how
messages posted to the various Lists was handled.
As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email
program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your
message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you
include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be
accepted instead of bounced back.
But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text
will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any
HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should
serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to
increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives.
I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if
you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably
why.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Jim Ivey <jim(at)jimivey.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Yak-List: New List MIME/HTML/Enclosure Filter Implemented... |
Everything you need to know can be found at the following url:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution/
I just used the secure credit-card option. There is also a snail-mail
address for you old-fashioned types (i.e. back in the good old days when
folks wouldn't abscond with your credit card info) ;)
Jim Ivey
N46YK
Matt Dralle wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> With the pervasiveness of email applications using HTML (web formatting)
> and MIME encoding such as AOL 6.0, Netscape, Eudora and others it was
> clear that I needed to come up with an improved method for limiting how
> messages posted to the various Lists was handled.
>
> As of today, November 13 2000 you should be able to configure your email
> program any way you like - with or without special formatting - and your
> message will still be accepted my the Matronics system. Also, if you
> include any sort of enclosure data, your message will also still be
> accepted instead of bounced back.
>
> But wait, it gets even better! Everything except for the plain text
> will be automatically stripped from the incoming post including any
> HTML, MIME, and/or enclosure data prior to redistribution. This should
> serve to both ease the configuration burden on the many users, and to
> increase the readability of both the posted messages and the archives.
>
> I had a few 'bugs' with the filter on Sunday and Monday morning, so if
> you received a few messages that seemed "odd", than this was probably
> why.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Matt Dralle
> Matronics Email List Admin.
>
> --
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> Great minds discuss ideas,
> Average minds discuss events,
> Small minds discuss people...
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken Broste" <spiritmoves(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying... |
Matt,
I think what you're doing is great for those of us flying and building Kolb
aircraft. You're probably saving Kolb a full time employee in tech support
just by providing the communication between builders. I know I have had a
half dozen questions answered here on the list and saved Kolb support a few
phone calls. You should forward this letter to Kolb, maybe they'd ante up,
too. It would be great PR for the TN Kolb a/c. Thanks a bunch, Matt!
Ken Broste
Building a Firestar
Tucson, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 10:33 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: What Listers Are Saying...
> --> Kolb-List message posted by: dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> During this year's List Fund Raiser I have been receiving a number of
> very nice comments from members regarding what the Lists mean to them.
> I'm sure most everyone can echo one or more of the thoughts expressed
> below. Won't you take a moment to make a Contribution to support the
> continued operation and improvment of your Lists?
>
> A special 'thank you' to everyone that has made a contribution so far
> and for all of the wonderful and supportive comments I've received!
>
>
> To make a contribution with a credit card over an SSL Secure Web Site,
> please go to the following URL:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> or, to make a contribution with a person check, please mail it to:
>
> Matronics
> c/o Matt Dralle
> PO Box 347
> Livermore, CA 94551
>
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Matt Dralle
> Email List Admin.
>
>
> ===================== Comments From List Members
========================
>
>
> * You helped make this dream a reality... -Terry C.
>
> * Thanks for a wonderful resource! -Rick J.
>
> * Thanks for providing a quality product. -Bill C.
>
> * Have found [the List] invaluable for education while building... -Rick
H.
>
>
> * I learn so much from the List! -Robert R.
>
> * [The List] is better than any aviation magazines I subscribe
o. -Roger H.
>
> * I enjoy the pages and find them very helpful. -Noel G.
>
> * The "List" is a great place to both receive and exten help and ideas
for
> building and making flying safer. -Jack B.
>
>
> * The discussions are very helpful. -James B.
>
> * ...I believe this List will be a better value than the
ewsletter. -Roger T.
>
> * [The List] has helped me with the construction of my RV-9. -Marty S.
>
> * VERY good reading. Excellent entertainment value. -Jerry I.
>
>
> * [The List] has saved me many hour on wild goose chases. -Billy W.
>
> * Thanks for keeping my passion for flying as piqued as ever. -Terry W.
>
> * Keep up the nice work. -Daniel H.
>
> * Thanks for all the effort on behalf of Sport Aviation! -Elbie M.
>
>
> * ...Great information source! -Richard W.
>
> * ...Thanks for your help and patience with a very difficult
ask. -Louis W.
>
> * [The List] has been a great asset. -Edward C.
>
> * Just started and already received some valuable tips. -Scott S.
>
>
> * Thanks for the List to let up share our passion. -Brian A.
>
> * ...This List is good stuff. -Russ D.
>
> * ...The single most helpful resource I've come across in
uilding. -Craig P.
>
> * ...Enjoy [the List] a lot. -John H.
>
>
> * The List is a most important tool to help building. -Brad R.
>
> * ...Really found the List to be great! -Geoff T.
>
> * Excellent contribution to the aviation community. -Larry B.
>
> * Great source of information... -William G.
>
>
> * The Lists ... make building a real hoot! -Jeff O.
>
> * The List has been invaluable. -Matt P.
>
> * Thanks for letting me use the site. It's great! -Larry M.
>
> * ...This List has been very helpful. -Larry H.
>
>
> * Greatest support ever for the builders and I have met many
riends. -Fred H.
>
> * ...I love this List and have met many new friends... -Tom E.
>
> * Love both the List and the Search Engine. -Roy G.
>
>
> ===================== Comments From List Members
========================
>
>
> --
>
>
> Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
> Great minds discuss ideas,
> Average minds discuss events,
> Small minds discuss people...
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Dany A. Pennington" <DanyPennington(at)compuserve.com> |
| Subject: | Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 12/08/00 |
Please un-subscribe me from this list
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade... |
B
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Web Server this afternoon (1/21/01)
and will be taking it offline for a number of hours. I hope to have it
back online by this evening sometime, depending on how well the upgrade
goes.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
--
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925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
Great minds discuss ideas,
Average minds discuss events,
Small minds discuss people...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Elbie(at)aol.com (by way of Matt Dralle 925-606-1001 <dralle(at)matronics.com>) |
2/9/2001
Fellow Pilots and Builders:
EM aviation is pleased to announce that the RiteAngle III Angle of
Attack system is in production. I know this has been a long, long wait for
some of you, however I will not sell a system that is not up to my standards.
The long delay was partially caused by the total new design required
after the RiteAngle 2000 system was terminated. The remainder of the delay
was insuring the system met all our requirements such as both hot and cold
environment testing. The first production group of systems off the line
are being again extensively tested for approximately 2 weeks before we
deliver any systems to insure there are no "bugs" appearing.
When all production testing is accomplished I will ship according to who
has sent in the order form via fax or US mail. (Again, DO NOT send your
credit card number via e-mail! I DO NOT have a secure e-mail line.)
If you want a spot in line for early delivery you can request this via
e-mail, and mail your check or CC number.
At present time I estimate 4- 10 weeks before your delivery, depending on
when I receive your payment.
To those of you who have been in correspondence with me for the last year,
thanks for your belief in EM aviation's product, and soon you will have a
product in your hands. I honor my correspondence of the quoted price.
Current price $295 + mount & options see web site for information.
www.riteangle.com
Elbie Mendenhall
President
EM Aviation, LLC
P NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie WA 98606
360-260-0772
www.riteangle.com
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I need the following two Rotax parts, for a 447 Free Air engine: P/N
951-285, Mounting Plate, and P/N 827-830, Cover Washer. If anyone has a
parts engine, or these parts laying around for sale, please let me know.
I am also still interested in a set of original plans for a Rose Parakeet.
Thanks for any help.
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| From: | "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com> |
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Version 2.0 of the Experimental Panel Builder is up and running. The
response to Version 1.0 was almost overwhelming and we received many
requests for additional panels and instruments. We've tried to
accommodate as many as possible but if we've missed something please let
us know by clicking on the "Request New Panels" or "Request New
Instruments" link.
After we published version 1.0 fellow RV List member, RV-8 Builder
(soon to be RV-7 builder) and web master extraordinaire, Jared Boone
(Portland, OR) offered us some suggestions on how we could make things
work a little better. I had some discussions with Jared via email and
even tossed back a brewski or two with him on a recent visit to
Portland. Jared took time out of his busy work schedule (guess what he
does for a living) and helped turn out the version of code that you see
here. Truly remarkable and Bill and I owe him a lot of thanks.
So what's new?
First, you can now save your work. Yes, that's right. After creating a
panel, all you have to do is log out or go to another web page. The
next time you log in you're panel will still be right there were you
left off. Neat.
Space saving organization. Drop down menu's allow you to select the
panel you're interested and the category of instruments your interested
in working on. This saves space and makes creating panels easier.
Duplicate items. Now you can drag as many items onto the panel as you
like. Just keep dragging them up there. You want lots of circuit
breaker and switches. Just keep dragging them up.
If you don't like an instrument then just drag it off the panel and it
goes away. Don't like any of your work and want to start over? Just
hit the reset button.
Because of all the code changes, the time it takes for the initial page
to load has been greatly reduced because it doesn't have to load all the
images at once.
After the last version was published we received a ton or requests for
additional panels and equipment. This is where Bill Vondane came to the
rescue.
Bill jumped into action and developed no less than 20, yes 20, new
panels and added many more instruments. After Jared modified the code
to make the new changes possible, Bill had to add all the new data, and
modify things to get it published. Bill also created the user interface
and "Tips" page to help makes things a little clearer.
Bill and Jared have graciously donated LOTS of time and effort to bring
this tool to it's present state. Remember, these guys both have planes
to build and busy jobs and families to take care of.
Enjoy the updated version and let us know what you think.
Alas, there is a downside. For all those Microsoft haters out there,
this new version is even LESS Netscape friendly than the pervious
version. At this time, due to the methods used to create some of the
features, ONLY Internet Explore 5.5 can be used to access the new
features. Jared is working on making it compatible with earlier
versions of Internet Explorer so until that time, the earlier version
1.0 is still available to use.
We're talking about developing some techniques that will allow ALL
browsers to work but that's still a ways off as time and energy permits.
Check it out. http://sonexlinks.com/panelbuilder/ or link to it from
my page http://bmnellis.com or Bills page http://vondane.com/rv8a
Guess what? It's still free! What a country.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Larry Dysinger" <larrykdysinger(at)hotmail.com> |
AeroElectric-List(at)matronics.com, Aviation-List(at)matronics.com,
Avionics-List(at)matronics.com, EZ-List(at)matronics.com,
Glasair-List(at)matronics.com, Homebuilt-List(at)matronics.com,
Kolb-List(at)matronics.com, Lancair-List(at)matronics.com,
Pitts-List(at)matronics.com, Rocket-List(at)matronics.com,
RVCanada-List(at)matronics.com, RVEurope-List(at)matronics.com,
Sonerai-List(at)matronics.com, Tailwind-List(at)matronics.com,
Zenith-List(at)matronics.com, BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com,
oregon-rvlist(at)yahoogroups.com, RV-6and6A(at)yahoogroups.com,
SEFlaRVbuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
| Subject: | Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder |
Mike,
That is great work. And thanks for sharing it with your fellow listers.
Larry
RV-8QB - Fuselage
From: "Mike Nellis" <mnellis(at)peoplepc.com>
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Subject: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental Panel Builder
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:00:08 -0600
Version 2.0 of the Experimental Panel Builder is up and running. The
response to Version 1.0 was almost overwhelming and we received many
requests for additional panels and instruments. We've tried to accommodate
as many as possible but if we've missed something please let us know by
clicking on the "Request New Panels" or "Request New Instruments" link.
After we published version 1.0 fellow RV List member, RV-8 Builder (soon to
be RV-7 builder) and web master extraordinaire, Jared Boone (Portland, OR)
offered us some suggestions on how we could make things work a little
better. I had some discussions with Jared via email and even tossed back a
brewski or two with him on a recent visit to Portland. Jared took time out
of his busy work schedule (guess what he does for a living) and helped turn
out the version of code that you see here. Truly remarkable and Bill and I
owe him a lot of thanks.
So what's new?
First, you can now save your work. Yes, that's right. After creating a
panel, all you have to do is log out or go to another web page. The next
time you log in you're panel will still be right there were you left off.
Neat.
Space saving organization. Drop down menu's allow you to select the panel
you're interested and the category of instruments your interested in working
on. This saves space and makes creating panels easier.
Duplicate items. Now you can drag as many items onto the panel as you like.
Just keep dragging them up there. You want lots of circuit breaker and
switches. Just keep dragging them up.
If you don't like an instrument then just drag it off the panel and it goes
away. Don't like any of your work and want to start over? Just hit the
reset button.
Because of all the code changes, the time it takes for the initial page to
load has been greatly reduced because it doesn't have to load all the images
at once.
After the last version was published we received a ton or requests for
additional panels and equipment. This is where Bill Vondane came to the
rescue.
Bill jumped into action and developed no less than 20, yes 20, new panels
and added many more instruments. After Jared modified the code to make the
new changes possible, Bill had to add all the new data, and modify things to
get it published. Bill also created the user interface and "Tips" page to
help makes things a little clearer.
Bill and Jared have graciously donated LOTS of time and effort to bring this
tool to it's present state. Remember, these guys both have planes to build
and busy jobs and families to take care of.
Enjoy the updated version and let us know what you think.
Alas, there is a downside. For all those Microsoft haters out there, this
new version is even LESS Netscape friendly than the pervious version. At
this time, due to the methods used to create some of the features, ONLY
Internet Explore 5.5 can be used to access the new features. Jared is
working on making it compatible with earlier versions of Internet Explorer
so until that time, the earlier version 1.0 is still available to use.
We're talking about developing some techniques that will allow ALL browsers
to work but that's still a ways off as time and energy permits.
Check it out. http://sonexlinks.com/panelbuilder/ or link to it from my
page http://bmnellis.com or Bills page http://vondane.com/rv8a
Guess what? It's still free! What a country.
Mike Nellis
Stinson 108-2 N9666K
RV-6 N699BM (reserved)
Plainfield, IL (LOT)
http://bmnellis.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | RocketPilot2Be(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0 Experimental |
Panel Builder
AeroElectric-List(at)matronics.com, Aviation-List(at)matronics.com,
Avionics-List(at)matronics.com, EZ-List(at)matronics.com,
Glasair-List(at)matronics.com, Homebuilt-List(at)matronics.com,
Kolb-List(at)matronics.com, Lancair-List(at)matronics.com,
Pitts-List(at)matronics.com, Rocket-List(at)matronics.com,
RVCanada-List(at)matronics.com, RVEurope-List(at)matronics.com,
Sonerai-List(at)matronics.com, Tailwind-List(at)matronics.com,
Zenith-List(at)matronics.com, BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com,
oregon-rvlist(at)yahoogroups.com, RV-6and6A(at)yahoogroups.com,
SEFlaRVbuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
Mike,
wonderful job. Thanks a lot !!!
(Hey, listers, shouldn't we throw a dollar in the hat for Mike ??????)
/Hans Altena
Cary, North Carolina
(919) 412 6221
Sitting on the fence with my $$$
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Matthew Mucker" <mmucker(at)airmail.net> |
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version |
2.0 Experimental Panel Builder
I'm so impressed, that if someone'll give me an address, I'll pitch in TWO
dollars!
-Matt
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> RocketPilot2Be(at)aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 7:35 PM
> To: rocket-list(at)matronics.com; rv8list(at)yahoogroups.com;
> rv-list(at)matronics.com; AeroElectric-List(at)matronics.com;
> Aviation-List(at)matronics.com; Avionics-List(at)matronics.com;
> EZ-List(at)matronics.com; Glasair-List(at)matronics.com;
> Homebuilt-List(at)matronics.com; Kolb-List(at)matronics.com;
> Lancair-List(at)matronics.com; Pitts-List(at)matronics.com;
> Rocket-List(at)matronics.com; RVCanada-List(at)matronics.com;
> RVEurope-List(at)matronics.com; Sonerai-List(at)matronics.com;
> Tailwind-List(at)matronics.com; Zenith-List(at)matronics.com;
> BostonRVBuilders(at)yahoogroups.com; oregon-rvlist(at)yahoogroups.com;
> RV-6and6A(at)yahoogroups.com; SEFlaRVbuilders(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Rocket-List: Re: [rv8list] Version 2.0
> Experimental Panel Builder
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: RocketPilot2Be(at)aol.com
>
> Mike,
> wonderful job. Thanks a lot !!!
>
> (Hey, listers, shouldn't we throw a dollar in the hat for Mike ??????)
>
> /Hans Altena
> Cary, North Carolina
> (919) 412 6221
> Sitting on the fence with my $$$
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Terminaltown(at)aol.com |
| Subject: | Sites up and running |
cadet-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
czech-list(at)matronics.com, ez-list(at)matronics.com, glasair-list(at)matronics.com,
homebuilt-list(at)matronics.com, kolb-list(at)matronics.com,
piper-list(at)matronics.com, pitts-list(at)matronics.com,
rocket-list(at)matronics.com, rvcanada-list(at)matronics.com,
rveurope-list(at)matronics.com, rv-list(at)matronics.com,
seaplane-list(at)matronics.com, skymaster-list(at)matronics.com,
smithmini-list(at)matronics.com, sonerai-list(at)matronics.com,
yak-list(at)matronics.com, zenith-list(at)matronics.com,
lancair-list(at)matronics.com
Hello Listers:
Terminal Town's Shopping Cart is up
and running!
Or http://www.terminaltown.com
Thanks!
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Scott and Kimala Stewart" <kstewart(at)valley2.valleyint.com> |
| Subject: | RE: Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 07/17/01 |
Due to finding an awesome deal on a C-85, I now have a VW 1835 engine and
accessories for sale. I don't know if I'll sell them as a package, or part
them out. Here's a list, and maybe by the end of the list, I'll make up my
mind...
The engine was originally installed on a Sonerai II, and the last annual was
done on it Aug 1, 98. I bought it in 99 when the owner upgraded to a 2180
VW on his sonerai II. I've kept it stored in my garage which is semi-climate
controlled. There is no record of the # of hours on the engine but the
annuals were done. Logs show it ran with a 43 Pitch, 52 Dia prop. I was
planning on adding a Great Plains redrive to this package, but hadn't
purchased it yet.
Item Great Plains Price My Price
VW Engine (used, have logs) $1,895.95 $850.00
Carb (new in box) $ 259.85 $200.00
Mag (used) $ 498.95 $200.00
Harness (new in box) $ 106.95 $ 85.00
20 Amp Alternator (new) $ 169.95 $140.00
Secondary Ignition (used) $ 584.95 $250.00
Prop Hub 3 deg. taper (used) $ 149.95 $ 75.00
Geared Starter (new) $ 149.95 $125.00
Deihl Accessory Case (new) $ 184.95 $150.00
Flywheel 8 dowel (used) $ 144.95 $ 75.00
Mag Drive Kit (new) $ 69.95 $ 50.00
Totals $4,216.35 $2,200.00
OK, I made up my mind. If someone is interested in the whole package, I'll
sell it for $1,750.00 or reasonable offer. On the other hand, if someone
wants parts and I don't get an offer on the whole package, I'll part it out.
Thanks,
Scott Stewart
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| From: | "Pat Wilks" <patwilks(at)mindspring.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 08/30/01 |
Congratulations Matt for getting the lists back on line, and thanks for the
service.
Is this the appropriate forum to invite discussion about what has been going
on with our efforts to get the Dyna-Cam engine into production? I would
like to tap into a "mind bank" that might have some accurate perspective on
what is going on in the field of aviation.
For instance, on the website
http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/WWW/PAO/PAIS/fs01grc.htm the AGATE and the GAP
programs are discussed. It appears those programs are winding down. Has
anyone heard of anything about any new programs?
Dyna-Cam has an enormous mailing list that would appreciate a location where
they can join and discuss aviation and the importance of a new powerplant.
Would this newsgroup be suitable and available?
I'm still paying for most of the production out of my own pocket currently
and have no funds for this very worthwhile effort.
Thanks for your consideration.
Pat Wilks
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| From: | "Private" <rhinorob(at)home.com> |
| Subject: | Aviation-NEW EXP2V + SL40 Com For Sale |
For Sale: NEW EXP2V + Indicator Module + Extender Module - $450 OBO For
details goto http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=avionics.htm
Also: Apollo SL40 COM for sale US$1,200 OBO. For details goto
http://www.upsat.com/sl40.shtml
Contact Rob Cranston at 519-474-0819 or email rhinorob(at)home.com Payment by
check, money order, wire transfer or credit card.
THE TRAY MOUNT EXP2V board offers the ultimate in simplicity. The entire
electrical system slides out of the panel for extremely fast installation
and service. Comes prewired with rocker switches. A true QUICK BUILD
electrical system. $424
THE INDICATOR MODULE is a compact, multi function electrical system
annunciator panel that provides a positive status of each circuit in the
EXPBUS, over and under voltage warning lights, an amp-meter, and a solid
state light dimmer for the instrument panel lighting. $129
EXTENDER MODULE
* Up to 26 amps load, 30 volts DC
* 7 current protected outputs
* Works with EXP-BUS or standalone
* Built in trip indicators
* Saves time and money $49
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| From: | "Jim & Jeanette Oberst" <joberst(at)hsnp.com> |
| Subject: | Pelican Contacts Needed |
A friend here in Hot Springs, Arkansas has bought a Pelican PL from an
estate. He has some questions about the airplane, and would like to talk
with other Pelican owners. If anyone knows of a Pelican owner anywhere in
or near Arkansas, please let me know.
Jim Oberst
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | NEW Matronics Email List Feature! Browse Current List |
Messages!
Dear Listers,
I have just finished building an all new Email List Web Browsing feature
for the Matronics Email Lists. The new system allows you to use your web
browser to view all of the current Email List messages. The system's
indexes display all of the current List messages sorted by Subject, Author,
Date, or Thread. Clicking on the URL links on these index pages will open
another "Viewing Window" where the messages will be displayed.
The format of the index pages and message viewing window are consistent
with the existing Matronics Archive Search Engine and should be familiar to
everyone. The messages available on this new List Browsing Feature span
the previous 7 days of email for the given List. Each day the oldest day's
messages are replaced with the current day's messages. The web pages are
updated every 30 minutes with any new messages that are posted to the List
during that time frame.
Please have a look at the new Utility and let me know what you think! For
ease of use, I've added a link to the new system on each of the List
trailers that are appended to each List email message.
I hope you will find the new system useful and also find it to be a handy
companion to the Archive Search Engine.
The new Email Browsing Utility can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
From here, you can select any of the available Email Lists.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Web Server Upgraded! Blazingly Fast Archive Searches!! |
Dear Listers,
As of this weekend, the Matronics Email List Web Server is now running on a
brand new hardware platform and the latest version of RedHat Linux! The
new hardware includes Dual 1.7GHz Xeon Processors, a 400MHz FSB
motherboard, 1GB of 800MHz RAM, a Dual-Channel 160 MB/Sec Ultra-160 SCSI
Controller, and an Ultra 160 36GB 15,000 RPM Seagate Cheetah hard
drive. The performance of the new system is, in a word, breathtaking!
In a variety of benchmark tests against the previous server, the new system
is at *least* six times faster! This means that your Archive Search Engine
queries will now come back in what seems like an instant! Single word
searches of the 113MB RV-List Archive now return in 2-3 seconds, and
searches of all other List Archives return in 1 second or
less!! Performance enhancements in the download and viewing of all other
web-based tools should also be noticeably improved as well.
Please enjoy the new system performance and don't forget, the Annual Email
List Fund Raiser is just around the corner!! :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2001 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Forums sponsored here. Your contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
This year, I've made some substantial improvements to the Lists and the
supporting systems. These upgrades are focused on making your experience
here faster, more enjoyable, and most importantly, informative. Here is a
partial list of improvements that I've made on the systems this year:
o Upgraded Web Server
- Minimum 6X increase in performance *
- Tons more high performance disk space and memory!
- Increased availability and reliability - UPS Backup
- Improved support for > 130,000 Archive Searches each year!
* See http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/RV-SearchTime.jpg
o Email System Disk Subsystem Upgrade
- More storage and faster access times
- Faster redistribution of List Messages
- Processed over 45,000 List messages in 2001; 50,000 in 2000!
o All new List Browse Feature *
- Browse the last seven day's worth of List Messages
- Quick access to current threads
- Sort messages by Thread, Date, Subject, or Author
* See http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
o All new Photo Share Feature * &
- Simply email your photos and files to share
- Scanned for viruses
- Automatic Web Page Generation
- Includes descriptions and poster information
* See http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
& Officially to be announced soon
o Transition To High Performance Internet Service Provider
- Improved reliability
- Better access from most sites on the Internet
- Improved throughput
These are just some of the more visible improvements I've implemented this
year. I'm always working to improve the behind the scenes operation of the
Lists. I've built an elaborate system of message text and source address
filtering mechanisms to assure that you only receive text data in the
message, spam is nearly non-existent, computer viruses are never propagated
through the Lists, and that message post redistribution is smooth and
trouble free.
This year has seen a lot of improvements in the Email List experience. If
you enjoy the Forums here and make use of the many features, won't you take
a moment and make a Contribution to support the continued operation and
maintenance? Please note there is no advertising funding on the
Lists. You don't see annoying banner ads in the Email messages or on any
of the web pages. This just seems more friendly to me and makes the List
experience just that much more personal.
The operation of these Lists is supported *completely* through the
donations of List Members just like you!
Please take a moment to support your Lists by making a Secure Credit Card
Contribution at the following web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or you may send a personal check to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
I would like to thank everyone in advance for their Contribution and for
their continued support over the past year!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Off to a Slow Start... |
Hi Listers,
First I want to take everyone that has taken a minute already to make a
Contribution to support the Email Lists in 2001! I also really appreciate
all the kind words I've been receiving regarding the Lists and how much
they mean to everyone. The testimonial means a lot to me and makes the
many hours working on the system worth it!! Later in the month, I'll share
a few of the kind words with the Lists.
I've added a nifty new Bar Graph Thermometer to the message trailer that
gives an up-to-the-minute percentage status of how many members have made a
Contribution during 2001! It was a fun piece of code to write and
hopefully will be a fun way to watch the Fund Raiser's Progress this year!
As I've said in the past, the Lists are supported *completely* through your
generous Contributions during the Fund Raiser and throughout the
year. This includes all of the system and connectivity upgrades we seen,
as well as makes the many hours I spend each month keeping the systems
running even more enjoyable ;-).
Won't you take a moment and make a Contribution right now to support your
Lists? Its fast and easy with the On-line, SSL secure Credit Card system,
or by direct US-Mailing a check. For complete information, please see the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you in advance for your Generous Contribution!!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
PS - Don't forget to monitor the Fund Raiser Bar Graph below!
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying - Fund Raiser Continues... |
Dear Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is going well and I want to thank everyone that
has already so generously made a Contribution to support the Lists! Below
are some of the great comments and feedback members have been including
along with their Contributions.
Won't you make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and
upgrade of your Lists? Its fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web Site or
by simply sending a personal check. Complete information can be found at
Contribution web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
A give a special Thank You to all of those that have already contributed so
far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
Great information site.
- Edward S.
This is the first thing I look at every day.
- Ralph M.
The new List option is WONDERFUL!
- Kenyon B.
...new Search Software is absolutely fantastic!!
- Bruce K.
...essential to my enjoyment of RV building and flying.
- Douglas W.
Great List!
- Randall H.
...an invaluable service!
- Carlos S.
...incredible service to the industry!
- Alex M.
Building wouldn't be the same without the "Great List".
- Tom E.
...has helped the building process immensely.
- Hap S.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Have You Tried the New List Browse Feature?? |
Hi Listers,
I've been getting a LOT of very positive feedback on the new Email List
Browsing feature I added to the suite of List services a couple of weeks
ago. A number of List members have written to say that they love the new
List Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages
throughout the day without having to constantly check their email or wait
for the Digest issue to come out.
The List Browse Function allows you to use your web browser to view the
current 7 day's worth of List messages for the give List. The indexes are
updated every 30 minutes with any new messages that have been posted. You
can sort all of the message indexes by Thread, Subject, Author, or Date and
easily track and find current threads.
You can check out the New List Browse Feature by going to the following URL
and clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Please remember that November is List Fund Raiser month!! The continued
operation and upgrade of the Email Lists are _entirely_ supported by YOUR
Contributions and support. You'll never see annoying, flashing banner ads,
or other forms of commercialism on these Lists. Just people sharing
information, data, and stories about your favorite topic, plain (plane?)
and simple.
If you enjoy the Lists and all of the services here, won't you take moment
and make a quick Contribution? It fast and easy using the SSL Secure Web
site with your Visa or MasterCard. Or, you can also send a personal check
to the address listed below.
SSL Secure Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
USMail: Matt Dralle
c/o Matronics
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
Don't forget that the "List of Contributors" will be coming out in just a
few short weeks! Don't you want to make sure you're name is on it?
I would like to wish a special "Thank You" to everyone that has made a
Contribution so far this year!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Free Copy of Van's New "THE RV STORY" Video! |
Hey Listers!
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is donating a FREE COPY of the
new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video (VHS) to any Email List Member
making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution in 2001 of $50 or more and would like
to receive the video, please drop me an email ( dralle(at)matronics.com ) and
include the information shown above with the words "Video Offer" in the
Subject line.
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look (
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on his
site. Please have a look!
Again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a
Contribution so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Your Contributions
make all of the Lists and Services found here possible - period.
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What They're Saying... |
Hi Listers,
The 2001 List Fund Raiser is currently underway and lot's of people have
been making their Contribution and saying a lot of very nice things about
the Lists and what they're daily-dose of Forum means to them! I've
included a few more of the Lister comments below.
Won't you take a moment to support your Lists this month? Its fast and
easy by making a Secure Credit Card Contribution at the following web site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
For Complete information on the upgrades and improvements the Lists and
servers have undergone this year, have a look at this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113171908?KEYS=asdfasdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=4?SERIAL=1942094803?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Here's few more of the comments I've been receiving about what the Lists
mean to its members:
======================
Not only a great way to help each other out, it's been
a wonderful way to meet new friends. - Fred H.
The List is invaluable to me...
- Russell W.
I absolutely love your Lists...
- Scott C.
...you are tying all the builders together.
- David A.
The Lists continue to be an invaluable source of
information. - Jeff O.
I look forward to reading my Email every day...
- Harvey S.
They are invaluable resources to builders of all
skill levels. - Kevin H.
...another year of excellent service.
- Terry W.
Way cool setup.
- Chuck R.
...source of information, inspiration, support,
and camaraderie. - Carlos S.
I'd be lost without them...
- Jeff O.
======================
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Hi Listers,
The List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner! On December 1st
I post a list of everyone that so generously made a Contribution to support
the Lists. Its sort of my way of publicly thanking everyone that took a
minute to show their appreciation for the Lists.
Won't you take a moment and assure that your name is on that List of
Contributors? As a number of people have pointed out, the List seems at
least, if not a whole lot more, valuable as a building/flying/recreating
tool as a typical your magazine subscription. We won't even talk about a
newsstand price... :-)
Won't you take minute and assure that your name is on the upcoming
LOC? Tell others that you appreciate the Lists. Making a Contribution to
support the Lists is fast and easy using your Visa or M/C on the SSL Secure
Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
or by popping a personal check in the mail to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
!! Don't forget !!
Andy Gold of the Builder's Book Store ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) has
generously donated a FREE copy of Van's new "The RV Story" video to anyone
making a Contribution of $50 or more to support the Lists. For complete
information on the _awesome_ offer, please see this URL:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=113629625?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=RV?HITNUMBER=1?SERIAL=23392130806?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
To make sure you get your video, be sure to follow the instructions at the
URL above carefully!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
thus far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Remember that its YOUR support
that keeps these Lists going and improving! Don't forget to include a
little comment about how the Lists have helped you! I love to feel the
love... :-)
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Michael Brown... |
Hi Listers,
In support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Michael Brown of Brown
Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has generously
offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making Contributions of
$30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies for
the Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4 weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality tools.
And finally, I would like to thank everyone that has already made a
Contribution in this year's Fund Raiser! Its YOUR support that keeps these
Lists running and NOT ADVERTISING and FLASHING BANNER ADS...
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Can You Say...? |
Dear Listers,
I've been getting a ton great comments on what the Lists mean to its
members and I've included a few of them below. I'm sure _most_ of you can
echo one or more of these sentiments to the tune of a nice List
Contribution... :-)
Just one more week until I post the 2001 List of Contributors! Won't you
support the continued operation of these Lists by making a Contribution
today and assure your place on the upcoming Contributor List? I'm sure
your friends will be checking for your name on the LOC... ;-)
SSL Secure Web Visa and MasterCard Contributions:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Personal Check via the US Mail:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94551-0347
I want to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution this
year! YOU make these Lists possible!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
===========================================================================
Can't live without my List everyday!
- John B.
Information you can't get anywhere else.
- George D.
...one of the finest List sites on the Internet.
- Dennis S.
This List has saved my bacon more than once!
- Larry H.
Really invaluable service for a novice builder.
- John B.
...got some useful help from the List.
- Rocky S.
A valuable resource.
- Dennis N.
This List is a Super resource...
- Dwight F.
...couldn't have gotten this far without the
resources on the List.
- Jerry C.
Great service to us builders...
- Ronald M.
...someday we'll all meet in RV Heaven. Hey,
how come there isn't an "RV-Heaven" List?
- Louis W.
The info I've gleaned from the List has saved
me several thousand dollars...
- Kevin H.
...the only International, Interesting, Up-to-date,
List with the best search engine ever!
- Hans L.
...check it ever day so I don't miss anything.
- Jim B.
Great List!
- Douglas G.
This List has saved me a few times already...
- Thomas R.
...part of my morning wake up reading.
- Dwight F.
...helped my make my plane better, safer, better
looking, and built it quicker.
- Kevin H.
Have bought many items from the info the List gives.
- Jim B.
You meet the nicest people here.
- George D.
Informative, Amusing, Entertaining...
- John B.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Don't Miss The Video... |
Hey Listers!
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Andy
Gold of The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ) is
donating a FREE COPY of the new edition of Van's "The RV Story" video (VHS)
to any List Member making a Contribution of $50 or more!
To take advantage of this wonderful Offer, please include the following
information along with your Contribution, either in the Message Box if you
Contribute on-line, or on a slip of paper if your Contribution is by check
via the USMail:
Van's RV Story Video Offer
$50 or Greater Contributor
[your name]
[your shipping address]
[your City, State and Zip Code]
If you've already made a Contribution of $50 or more during the 2001 Fund
Raiser and would still like to receive the video, please drop me an email (
dralle(at)matronics.com ) and include the information shown above with the
following Subject Line:
Subject: Video Offer
Please note that this new edition of "The RV Story" will first be available
in about 8 weeks.
I want to thank Andy Gold and the Builder's Book Store for this *very
generous* Contribution! If you haven't taken a moment to check out The
Builder's Book Store web site yet, you owe it to yourself to have a look (
http://www.buildersbooks.com/ ). Andy has a fabulous selection of
interesting, informative, and exceptionally useful books and videos on his
site. Please have a look!
I would like to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution
so far in this year's List Fund Raiser! Just a few more days until I send
out the List of Contributors for 2001. Make your Contribution today to
make sure your name is on the LOC!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Brown Tool Gift Certificate Reminder... |
Hi Listers,
Just a reminder that in support of the 2001 Email List Fund Raiser, Michael
Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. ( http://www.browntool.com ) has
generously offered to provide Gift Certificates to all Listers making
Contributions of $30 or more this year!
Making your Contribution to support these Email Lists and to qualify for
the Brown Tool Gift Certificate is fast and easy by using the SSL Secure
Credit Card Contribution Web Site at:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Or by sending a personal check Contribution to:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore CA 94551-0347
According to Michael, "The Gift Certificates have absolutely no strings
attached and are as good as cash for anything from the Brown Tool Web Site
or Catalog."
The amount of your Gift Certificate is based on the size of your List
Contribution and is according to the following:
$100 or greater Contribution receives a $25 Gift Certificate!
or
$30-$99 Contribution receives a $10 Gift Certificate!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
To receive your Brown Tool Gift Certificate, send an email message to:
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com
and include the following information:
1) Subject Line: Tool Offer
2) Which Gift Certificate you qualify for ($10 or $25)
3) [Your Name]
4) [Your Mailing Address]
5) [Your City, State Zip]
** Please only use the email address shown above (
browntooloffer(at)matronics.com ) to request your Gift Certificate!
*** Anyone making a List Contribution of $30 or more in 2001 qualifies for
the Gift Certificate! But, you have to follow the instructions above to
receive it!
==================== How To Receive Your Certificate ====================
You should receive your Gift Certificate from Brown Tool in about 2-4 weeks.
I want to thank Michael Brown of Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for this
wonderful offer in support of the Email Lists! If you haven't yet had a
look at the Brown Tool Web Site ( http://www.browntool.com ), then you own
it to yourself to take a peek! He has some great deals and good quality tools.
I would like to thank everyone that has already made a Contribution in this
year's Fund Raiser!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Contributors Down By 25%... |
Dear Listers,
First I want to thank everyone that has already so generously made a
Contribution toward this year 2001 List Fund Raiser. It is your support
that makes these Lists possible.
Since there are only a couple more days until the official end of this
year's drive, I want to share some statistics regarding this and previous
Fund Raiser percentages. In years past, the percentage of members making a
Contribution to support the Lists has typically been right around 23% of
the total List population. This year, however, you'll note from the
Contribution Meter that we're only at a little over 16% for some
reason. This is down by roughly 7%, and translates into about a *30%
decrease* in participation this year!
I'm hoping that everyone is just waiting until the very last minute to make
their Contribution this year, and that the needle on the Contribution Meter
will still creep up to the normal 23% in the next few days! Saturday or
Sunday I will be posting the 2001 List of Contributors, so you'll want to
heat up that Contribution Web Site right away to make sure your name is on
the 2001 LOC!!
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Listers,
A couple List Members have asked if the Lists are "in trouble financially"
and wanted to know if this is why I was having a Fund Raiser. It got to
thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and also
take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here provide
a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a great amount of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
new List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of
use is outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth
of messages online for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys I knew who where
building RVs. It has grown into nearly 40 different aviation-related Email
Lists and an associated web site that receives over 500,000 hits each
month!! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value
in supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing
and improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
------------------------------------------
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
------------------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Free Stuff Reminder... |
Dear Listers,
Don't forget that you can receive a free copy of Van's new Video, "The RV
Story" with a $50 or greater contribution this year, or a $10 Gift
Certificate from Brown Tool for a $30 or greater contribution or a $25 Gift
Certificate for a $100 contribution. Below are two URLs for complete
information on the two Offers. Please follow the respective instructions
*carefully*.
Van's Video Offer Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5781141?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09092616692?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
Brown Aviation Tool Gift Certificate Information:
http://www.matronics.com/searching/getmsg_script.cgi?INDEX=5838463?KEYS=asdf?LISTNAME=Yak?HITNUMBER=2?SERIAL=09080216166?SHOWBUTTONS=NO
I want to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore and Michael Brown of
Brown Aviation Tool Supply Co. for their generous offers in support the
Lists this year!! Thank you, guys!
I'd like to thank everyone that has already made a generous Contribution in
support of the Lists!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Listers,
Below are some of the comments I've received just this week alone from
members along with their Contributions to support the Lists! What can I
say? Wow. I really appreciate the kind words and extremely positive
feedback and I would encourage you to read over a few of comments below. I
think they really say a mouthful...
The last couple of days have seen a huge increase in support!! Thank you
to all that have Contributed and to those that have rallied support for the
Lists! Since the response has been so wonderful recently, I plan to delay
the posting of the 2001 List of Contributors a few days to assure that
everyone will be included!
Won't you make your Contribution today to support the Lists?
------------------------------------------
The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
The US Mail Address:
Matronics Email Lists
c/o Matt Dralle
PO Box 347
Livermore, CA 94550-7227
------------------------------------------
Thank you to everyone for the kind words and support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
======== Some Great Comments on What The Lists Mean to its Members ==========
...great source of information, education,
relaxation, frustration, and socialization.
- John H.
Can't imagine what it would be like building
with out the Lists...
- Steven E.
Look forward to the list every day.
- Parker T.
I really enjoy reading the banter...
- Wesley H.
...enjoy the patter on construction tips and
possible problem areas.
- Richard N.
Couldn't have built my RV-4 without the List
and archives!!
- Warren M.
I have found the list to be a great help,
especially for a first time builder.
- Peter D.
I thoroughly enjoy the List.
- Larry B.
The List is a great resource.
- Dennis K.
The list is great entertainment.
- Gary Z.
Can't say enough about the good information
that I have received from reading the List.
- Robert C.
...it's the best!
- Steve F.
I'm addicted to the List!
- Rodney B.
The list has been a wonderful resource of
knowledge.
- Doug B.
As a first time builder, the lists have
been my most important source of information.
- James V.
It [read the List] is the first thing I do
every day is see what's new.
- Billie F.
The information available through the List
has made my flying safer...
- Dave R.
I get much more information about my plane
from this List than from all of my aviation
magazines combined.
- Roger H.
I love the list!!!!
- Ken L.
Much better value than a magazine subscription.
- Ted M.
...found it very useful.
- Allan J.
...this list has been a great service to me.
- Peter F.
I cannot express just how USEFUL the Lists are.
- Geoff T.
...a tremendous help to my RV-8 project and
a way to meet some of the best people going.
- Steve G.
The List is invaluable, and the best I've
ever seen.
- Ed C.
Like another family for many of us.
- John H.
The lists have saved a bunch of calls to
Van's for guidance.
- James V.
I think I'm addicted...
- Terry C.
Love it!
- David W.
The information really helps...
- Jim P.
...I find [it] very informative.
- Real D.
...List keeps me motivated... - Cliff M.
The exchange of information is really helpful...
- M.N.
Lots of great info on the List.
- Larry D.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Photo Share Main Index Page - The Detail You Asked |
For...
Hi Listers!
I've been noticing a lot of people having fun with the new Email List Photo
and File Share feature and I've seen a great many hits on the various
member pages.
A number of you wrote to say that some additional topic data on the Main
Photo Share Index page would certainly be helpful and I would have to agree.
It took a little programming, and it was a job retrofitting to all of the
older Shares, but I think you'll be pleased with the outcome! I've added
Poster Name, Photo Share Subject, and Target Email List data to the Main
Index. Clicking on a Subject text opens a new window with the Photo Share
and the thumbnails.
Have a look and feel free to submit your photos for sharing! The
instructions are at the top of the Main Photo Share Index Page.
The URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
Enjoy!!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [ PLEASE READ ] : Matronics Network Upgrade Mon. 12/17/01 |
Listers,
According to my ISP, Speakeasy, they will be doing some sort of "backbone
upgrade" Monday, 12/17/01. Their message doesn't mention whether or not
this will impact connectivity for any length of time. I wanted everyone to
know that there might be a time when access to the Matronics Web Server and
Email Lists might be unavailable. If there's a problem, I'll post a
message from a different email address with details.
Bottom line: Hopefully nobody will notice...
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | tj <ace(at)pnnw.net> |
RV6-List Digest Server ,
Ultralight-List Digest Server ,
Homebuilt-List Digest Server
I have an RV-6A for sale. It is nearly complete. O-360 (180 hp) is
mounted with a C/S prop. TT on engine is 1190 hrs., never rebuilt.
Nitride Cylanders. AD's complied with. Most wiring and plumbing is done
on the engine. New light weight starter, alternator, governor, SS
exhaust and baffles installed. Cowling is done. Fuselage, Empenage,
Wings and Canopy are finished. The VFR panel is filled and needs to be
wired. RMI engine monitor and Encoder. The wings need to be attached.
Has electric trim and strobe and nav lights. Interior is painted and all
aluminum and steel parts have been primed and/or painted. Interior has
been painted. Dual side brake/rudder pedals and outside steps. ELT and
antennas installed. Engine and prop log books. Already registered. You
pick the upholstery and paint scheme.
We have $49K+ invested not to mention the hours. I have all receipts and
list of parts purchased. Asking $46K OBO.
Call: Terry @ 503-680-2104 or Kevin @ 503-789-1529 or ace(at)pnnw.net
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| Subject: | Re: I/O 520 BB Bargain |
I have an A-36 going into 135 service with an I/O 520 bb engine. The engine was
overhauled 9 years ago by a certified mechanic in PA. The mechanic gave the
owner the yellow tags but they have since been lost. Engine runs strong, all
mid 70s and smooth running at about 550 hours. For Part 91 the engine is perfectly
good but the FAA says it is not acceptable for part 135 ops.
If someone has a run-out 520 bb in a Beech and wants a good running engine for
- lets say $8,000.00 instead of 22K please let me know. I would order a factory
engine, exchange my engine with yours and send in your core. Engine is running
in my A-36 any time for inspection.
Vic Jaugilas 913 645 1554 cell
vfjay(at)aol.com
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| From: | "Private" <rhinorob(at)sympatico.ca> |
| Subject: | Aviation-NEW EXP2V |
For Sale: NEW EXP2V + Indicator Module + Extender Module - $450 OBO For
details goto http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=avionics.htm
Contact Rob Cranston at 519-474-0819 or email rhinorob(at)sympatico.ca
Payment by
check, money order, wire transfer or credit card.
THE TRAY MOUNT EXP2V board offers the ultimate in simplicity. The entire
electrical system slides out of the panel for extremely fast installation
and service. Comes prewired with rocker switches. A true QUICK BUILD
electrical system. $424
THE INDICATOR MODULE is a compact, multi function electrical system
annunciator panel that provides a positive status of each circuit in the
EXPBUS, over and under voltage warning lights, an amp-meter, and a solid
state light dimmer for the instrument panel lighting. $129
EXTENDER MODULE
* Up to 26 amps load, 30 volts DC
* 7 current protected outputs
* Works with EXP-BUS or standalone
* Built in trip indicators
* Saves time and money $49
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| From: | "Private" <rhinorob(at)sympatico.ca> |
For Sale: NEW EXP2V + Indicator Module + Extender Module - $450 OBO For
details goto http://www.controlvision.com/frame.cfm?link=avionics.htm
Contact Rob Cranston at 519-474-0819 or email rhinorob(at)sympatico.ca
Payment by
check, money order, wire transfer or credit card.
THE TRAY MOUNT EXP2V board offers the ultimate in simplicity. The entire
electrical system slides out of the panel for extremely fast installation
and service. Comes prewired with rocker switches. A true QUICK BUILD
electrical system. $424
THE INDICATOR MODULE is a compact, multi function electrical system
annunciator panel that provides a positive status of each circuit in the
EXPBUS, over and under voltage warning lights, an amp-meter, and a solid
state light dimmer for the instrument panel lighting. $129
EXTENDER MODULE
* Up to 26 amps load, 30 volts DC
* 7 current protected outputs
* Works with EXP-BUS or standalone
* Built in trip indicators
* Saves time and money $49
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Belated List of Contributors #2... |
Dear Listers,
I'd like to apologize for the delay in posting the 2001 List of
Contributors Number 2, as well as getting behind in the List Photo
Shares. Here's my sad story... Over the Christmas holidays, I was working
out in the shop on a rotating drum sander. I was sanding out the woofer
hole in a speaker enclosure and, long story short, the part got away from
me and started spinning like a Hula hoop on the drum. Rather than just
turning the machine off like I should have done, I tried to grab the part
and in the process badly broke the ring fingers on *both* my right and left
hands!! I had to go in for surgery on the left hand because of the joint
damage and was stuck in a thing called an "external fixator" for almost 4
weeks. The right hand has healed up well, but the left one is very stiff
and I'm currently only getting about 70 degrees of bend. The doctor says
that I will get 80-90% of the moment back with a great deal of therapy and
I'm going to hold them to that...
The moral of the story is that even a sander can be a dangerous tool. I
had been working with a table saw, drill press, scroll saw, and high power
routers all day long and afforded them all the respect they deserved. But
with the sander, I never even thought about how things could go bad. It
just didn't seem like a dangerous tool. Be careful out there in the
shop. In a moment you can hurt yourself; hurt yourself in such a way that
you will have to live with the damage the rest of your life. Nothing is
worth that.
I'm finally back working on the computer and getting back to email and
other stuff. Later today I will be processing the mound of Photo Shares
that have backed up while I was out. I also just finished up the 2001 List
Contributions and have included the List Number 2 below.
I want to thank everyone that has so generously contributed to the List
this past year! It is your Contributions that make these Lists possible.
I understand that the Van's Videos from the Builder's Bookstore should be
shipping very soon if not already, and the discount coupons from Brown
Tools should already have arrived. Thanks again to Andy Gold and Michael
Brown for their generous support of the Lists this year with these giveaways!
Oh, and now that my fingers are working pretty well again, I've decided to
go ahead and finish my RV-4!! I had a LOT of guilt over wanting to sell
it... :-)
Happy Building and Flying!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
Alexander, Don
Alexander, George
Andrews, Jim
Anonymous
Blake, James
Bowman, John
Buryl, Hill
Butler, Sherman
Cantrell, Jimmy
DeRuiter, Marcel
Deffner, David
Graumlich, Tom
Griffin, Randy
Harbour, Keith
Hunt, Robin
Jannon, Terence
Johnson, Jackie
Kahn, Steve
Labhart, Norm
Laird, David
Larson, Joe
Licking, Larry
Maynard, Brad
Navratil, Richard
Noonan, Thomas
Petersen, Paul
Reed, Gary
Rogers, Ken
Salter, Phillip
Schmit, John
Schultz, David
Sheffield, Ray
Smith, Edmond
Staley, Dick
Utterback, Tom
Uvanni, Bruce
Williams, Henry
Wilson, Robert
Woodward, Don
Worthington, Victor
Zirges, Malcom
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| Subject: | Address Change on Pilot License |
| From: | Don.Alexander(at)AstenJohnson.com |
02/19/2002 03:39:22 PM
I have notified the FAA of an address change 6 months ago. Do they usually
send a new license which shows the new address?
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| From: | Vince Latona <Vince(at)vectordesign.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Address Change on Pilot License |
Don,
They won't issue a new license with a changed address unless you pay, I think
$3, for a new certificate. It's the same as a lost certificate. The new address
just stays on file.
Vince
Don.Alexander(at)AstenJohnson.com wrote:
>
> I have notified the FAA of an address change 6 months ago. Do they usually
> send a new license which shows the new address?
>
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| From: | Quality Video Service <BTSteve(at)ev1.net> |
Warbird List
| Subject: | [Vultee Valiant] Group |
Please advise all your friends of this Group and take the time to join
yourself.
Thanks!
btsteve003 wrote:
> Well, folks our club is no longer a club. It has been merged with
> Yahoo Groups. The front page has a new look too. This has several
> advantages, but it is still basically the same service. If you have
> bookmarked the page, or made it your home page, you will have to
> update it to the new address. I have reset everyone's email setting to
> recieve individual emails for the mean time so we all get the this
> updated information. I do however, recommend that folks directly
> involved with BT-13's to leave this setting as we will get the
> messages posted emailed directly to your email address. But for those
> that prefer not to recieve direct email, you can change that opinion
> or I can do it for you. Just let me know if you do not prefer this
> option. We have had some folks looking for advice and parts in the
> past few days and I have even recieved long distance phone calls from
> those folks. So, I really do think it is important to have these
> postings sent directly to your email as most of us don't have the time
> to go to the Group and look at the posts. If any of you have friends
> that are involved with BT-13's, please refer them to this group. The
> more folks we get on this list, the more powerful this forum will be.
> As we enter warm weather and a new airshow season, we will be flying
> our wonderful pieces of history more often, to airshows and sharing
> them with WWII aircraft enthusiasts who appreciate an admire us for
> the efforts we put forth to keep these magnificent machines in the
> air. Please keep safety first in mind and have fun too!
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vulteevaliant/
> Steve Rumel
> Crew Chief, BT-13A
> West Houston Squadron, CAF
>
> Buy Stock for $4.
> No Minimums.
> FREE Money 2002.
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/BgmYkB/VovDAA/ySSFAA/7yWplB/TM
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> vulteevaliant-unsubscribe(at)yahoogroups.com
>
>
--
Steve Rumel
Quality Video Service - Professional Service for your Audio and Video
Equipment
7008 Long Point Houston, Tx. 77055
713-956-2400 713-956-2403 FAX BTSteve(at)ev1.net
Other life :-)
Col Steve Rumel, CAF
Crew Chief, BT-13A
Safety Officer, 2002-2004
West Houston Squadron
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| From: | "Builder's Bookstore" <winterland(at)rkymtnhi.com> |
| Subject: | Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos |
Free Thunderbird, Blue Angels videos
I've got 5 copies of a Thunderbirds / Blue Angles video which we'll give
away for Free to the first 5 people who ask for it along with any other
regular order from Builder's Bookstore.
It's a 50 minute video, 1/2 on the Thunderbirds, and 1/2 on the Blue
Angels. The Thunderbird segment is excellent. The Blue Angels section
is not as good.
To get one, just write FREE THUNDERBIRDS VIDEO in the special
instructions box on the Builder's Bookstore on-line order form, or say
so if you prefer to order something by phone.
Also, in case you are caller #6 or later, note if your regular order
depends on whether there is a free video left to include in your
package.
Andy
Builder's Bookstore
http://buildersbooks.com
800 780-4115
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Browsing Feature! |
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Keith Bedell" <bedelk(at)hotmail.com> |
| Subject: | XDP4000X-List: unhappy |
All-
I hooked up my xdp-4000x and it sounds like crap. I ordered the necessary cable
from online and tried to tune it, but it just got worse. Is there something missing
htat I need to do to get it to work. When I bypass it with rca splitters
the res of my system works like a charm. I have the 6001ES running three 10'
ES subs. Then 2 1805 ES's handling everything else. Aside from the problems with
the 4x, there is a huge disparity between cd volume and radio volume. I mean
huge!!!. I can max out radio volume and it sounds ok, then pop in a cd and
half way blows mee out of the cab. Any ideas, I anm just so dissapointed right
now....
From: Matt Dralle <DRALLE(at)MATRONICS.COM>
Reply-To: xdp4000x-list(at)matronics.com
To: Email-Lists(at)matronics.com
Subject: XDP4000X-List: List Browsing Feature!
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:52:33 -0700
-- XDP4000X-List message posted by: Matt Dralle
Dear Listers,
I thought I'd post a little reminder to everyone about a very slick feature
of the email Lists here at Matronics. You can now use Netscape or Internet
Explorer to browse the current messages on your favorite List! The List
Browse Function tracks the current 7 day's worth of List messages for any
given List. Indexes are updated every 30 minutes with new messages that
have been posted. You can resort the message indexes by Thread, Subject,
Author, or Date and easily track and find current threads.
A number of List members have written to say that they love the List
Browser because they can keep tabs on the latest List messages throughout
the day without having to constantly check their email or wait for the
Digest issue to come out.
You can check out the List Browse Feature by going to the following URL and
clicking on the List of your choice:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscibe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [With Good URL This Time!] Four New Email Lists At Matronics!! |
[Typo in the subscribe page URL last time - SORRY! -Matt]
Dear Listers,
I've just added four new email Lists to the current lineup at
Matronics. These new lists include:
KRNet:
krnet-List(at)matronics.com The RANS KR1 and KR2 Series
Cub:
cub-List(at)matronics.com The Piper J-3 Cub
RV10:
rv10-List(at)matronics.com The New 4-place RV from Van's!
Europa:
europa(at)matronics.com The Slick European Composite
All the usual features are available with the new Lists including the
search engine, archive download, 7-day List browse, and PhotoShare!
To sign up for any or all of the new lists, please go to the List
Subscription page and put in your email address and select the Lists of
your choice. The URL for the Subscription page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Don't forget that its your posts that generate traffic on the respective
Lists! Post an introduction and a description of your project or dreams!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Getting Bounced From Matronics Lists... |
Dear Listers,
I have two programs I run regularly to purge the various Matronics email
lists of bad email addresses. I referred to these as my Email Weasels and
there is a daily version that is run automatically every night at midnight
and there is a and a monthly version that I run by hand at roughly 30-day
intervals.
The Daily Weasel grinds through the 8 to 10mb of bounced email that is
generated each day looking for obvious things like "user unknown", "host
unknown", and other things that usually mean the user's email address
doesn't exist any longer. The Daily Weasel has been purging 5 to 10 email
addresses each night.
The Monthly Weasel gets more serious about the task and sends a single
message to each list member with specially generated headers and content
information. Any bounces or replies to these messages are considered
errors and the email address is eligible for purging. This program is
particularly useful for "weaseling out" email addresses that are actually
being forwarded to by another email address that is subscribed to a List
and otherwise would not be identifiable. The Monthly Weasel purges roughly
100 nonexistent email addresses each month when it is run.
To check to see if your address has been removed by either of the Email
Weasel programs, you can check the Weasel Status Web Page at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If you find your email address on the Weasel List, but are certain that
everything is working fine now, simply go the Matronics Subscription page
and resubscribe your address. No harm, no foul. The subscription URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
That all having been said, I've noticed that the Daily Weasel may have been
getting a little too aggressive in purging addresses recently and a number
of people have written asking if and why they'd been dropped from the List.
A couple of months ago I rewrote the Daily Weasel program to include a
wider variety of errors and more aggressively purge. One of the new purge
criteria that I added seems to occur a fair amount of the time (Connection
Deferred) even though the address is really okay.
As of today, I've removed the Connection Deferred criteria from the Daily
Weasel Rule set and this should decrease the number of "false positives"
and unnecessary unsubscribed.
Again, if you get unsubscribed by either of the Email Weasel utilities,
simply go to the subscription page and resubscribe:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin
Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
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| From: | Steve Semenuk <shsrv6a(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | New Elect. Intl. Inst. Package for sale |
zenith-list(at)matronics.com, piper-list(at)matronics.com,
lancair-list(at)matronics.com.europa-list@matronics.com,
beech-list(at)matronics.com, aviation-list(at)matronics.com
I am selling at a loss the following. $3200 and
they're yours, including shipping. That's
$650 less than you'll find anywhere and it includes a
fuel level gauge that is not included in most engine
monitors:
Brand new, never installed or used, still in original
boxes (opened only to inventory) Electronics
International instruments as a package only. Purchased
earlier this year. All necessary sensors and
transducers, wires, etc. are included.
1) UBG-16 CHT/EGT bar graph including 4 cht/4egt
probes and 1 OAT probe. Room for
7 other temperature/parameter readings.
2) FP-5L Fuel flow and pressure with GPS interface to
calculate fuel to destination
3) R-1 RPM including flight time
4) OPT-1 Oil pressure and temp
5) M-1 Manifold pressure
6) VA-1 Volt/Amp with 50 Amp external shunt
7) FL-2 Dual fuel level for resistance (standard
float) senders
Steve Semenuk
shsrv6a(at)yahoo.com
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2002 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show much traffic the
Lists generated last year alone:
11/01/2001 - 10/31/2002
Web server hits: 8,700,000 (727,000/mo)
Incoming Email Posts: 51,259 (4,271/mo) *
* This number is multiplied by the total number of email addresses
subscribed to the given List. The actual number of email message processed
is in the 50,000,000 range for last year!!
The new Internet provider, Speakeasy, has been providing extremely fast and
reliable service over the last year, and this has certainly been a
refreshing change from previous providers!
There were a couple of new features added at the tail-end of last year
including the new List Browse Feature ( http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse
), and the List Photoshare which have been both very popular. Many people
have written to say how much they enjoy the on-line browsing capability of
current week's messages. The 184 new Photoshares (
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare ) added over the last year attests to
its acceptance and appreciation in the community as well.
I have upgraded both the email and web server OS systems recently to the
latest - well almost the latest - version of Redhat Linux and Kernel
2.4.19, both of which have been working very well and quite reliably.
What does the future hold? Well, something pretty exciting I'm
hoping... I am currently evaluating a new, commercially available software
package that runs under Linux and provides a complete web-based Email List
service akin to what those other guys use. The difference will be that
there won't be any annoying advertisements and popup ads on the Matronics
system!! The system will continue to be dedicated to furthering Lists
activities and not trying to sell you something you don't want. My hope is
to keep most if not all of the current functionality in place and add the
new software system over the top. Some of the system will be replaced
(like majordomo), but the lists will work much like they do today - only
BETTER! As I mentioned, I am currently in the evaluation stage of this and
have yet to select a final product. Suffice to say some facelifts are
definitely on the way!
Unlike many of the other "list servers" on the web these days, I have a
strict no-commercial-advertisement policy on the Matronics Lists and
associated List websites. I have been approached by a number of vendors
recently with advertising deals that have been very tempting. However, my
commitment to providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment
prevails! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks. My goal with the Matronics List
Service is to provide my members with a commercial-free, safe, and
high-performance system in which to share information, ideas, and
camaraderie.
I recoup my upgrade, maintenance, and operating costs by having a List Fund
Raiser once a year during November. During this time, I ask List members
to donate a small amount of money to support the continued operation of the
Lists over the upcoming year. Contributions in the $20, $30, and $50 range
are common. This year I have completely revamped the Contribution website,
and have added the ability to use PayPal to make your Contribution in
addition to the traditional Visa/MC and Personal Check Options. Its easier
and faster than ever before to make your Contribution!! For those who are
accustomed to using PayPal to make Internet purchases, will appreciate the
ease and speed of using this handy method of payment to make their List
Contribution.
The best news this year, however, is that I have a couple of fantastic Gift
offers to support the List Fund Raiser! Andy Gold of The Builder's
Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ) will be generously donating a
FREE Jeppesen Flight Bag to anyone making a $50 or more List Contribution
during the Fund Raiser! This is a great bag and something you'll surely
what to get your hands on. Thanks Andy, for this great incentive!!
In addition to the great Flight Bag, I will also be offering a FREE
Matronics List Archive CDROM for a $50 or greater Contribution! This is a
complete set of archives for all Email Lists currently hosted by
Matronics. The Archives date back to the beginning of the each List. In
the case of the RV-List, for example, this includes archives all the way
back to 1990! That's about 133Mb alone! Also included on the CD is a copy
of Chip Gibbion's Windows Archive Search Utility and a precompiled
search-index for each archive on the CD.
Better yet?! You can get BOTH the Flight Bag AND the Archive CD for a
Contribution of $75 or more which is actually LESS than the combined retail
price on the two items!!! How can you go wrong? Get some great stuff AND
support your Lists at the same time!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR support!
I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who supports the
List this year. Your generosity contributes directly to the quality of the
experience here.
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a Personal Check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as additional
information on the various methods of payment.
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Again, I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this
year! Your Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New List Digest Feature!! [Please Read] |
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Special 'thanks' to Gary Hall for not only suggesting a Digest Index, but
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - What Listers Are Saying... |
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser Continues... |
Marie Murillo
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Wow, I can't belive some of the nice things people have been saying about
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | LOC Coming Soon... |
Dear Listers,
This year's List of Contributors (LOC) is just around the corner. I'll be
posting the LOC on or about December 1. The List of Contributors is a
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I got to thinking today that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund
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I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
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| From: | <towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Air Traffic Control |
Hello,
As an air traffic controller, I have had discussions with many pilots.
These pilots range from B747 captains to student pilots. I have found there
is much to be learned on both sides of the radio.
I am a radar approach controller and tower controller at Dayton, Ohio
(DAY) and an instrument rated pilot.
If anyone has any thoughts about the ATC system they would like to
discuss, I would would be happy to participate in that discussion.
As always, thanks for choosing Dayton for your air traffic needs.
Dave Toy
Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Air Traffic Control |
| From: | "Healy, Joseph" <WJH(at)brplusa.com> |
I have a question.
Why is the ATC system so labor intensive? I can see that it works, but
with modern technology, why does it remain so archaic?
For example, Taxi drivers have had a device that give written dispatch
instructions for years. Even such a minor addition in the cockpit would
be a great help. I see a lot of development in EFIS systems for
experimental airplanes but this does not seem to be having any affect on
the laws or procedures used in ATC.
I asked a speaker at a recent EAA meeting if he thought that hand held
devices with graphic displays could improve the communication and
situational awareness. (I think existing information available on the
ground could easily be made available to the pilots. Basically;
weather, traffic and ATC instructions including all info on approach
plates). His response was a pie-in-the-sky description of private air
travel being like getting in an elevator, push a button, wait, and your
there.
Is the whole ATC system is stuck in the 50's because of trying to bite
off too much? It reminded me of a Star Trek episode where the guy talks
and the typewriter automatically types it out. Now, 40 yrs later, they
still can't get it to work right and I doubt they ever will.
Something simple, that is based on ordinary (Windows?) upgradeable
software would be great for private pilots. Then you could have express
type IFR control that would reduce the pilot work load.
-----Original Message-----
From: towertoy(at)earthlink.net [mailto:towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Aviation-List: Air Traffic Control
Hello,
As an air traffic controller, I have had discussions with many
pilots.
These pilots range from B747 captains to student pilots. I have found
there is much to be learned on both sides of the radio.
I am a radar approach controller and tower controller at Dayton,
Ohio
(DAY) and an instrument rated pilot.
If anyone has any thoughts about the ATC system they would like to
discuss, I would would be happy to participate in that discussion.
As always, thanks for choosing Dayton for your air traffic needs.
Dave Toy
Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Air Traffic Control |
What a wish list. It would be nice. However I wouldn't want my airborne
computer to be windows based. I have to reboot my computer about 10 times
a day some days even more. Not the reliability I want for my approach
plate display.
Here is a list of my opinion why it is taking so long to get text displays
into aircraft.
1) Money. Every thing costs more than we figure on.
2) Training. There are a lot of controllers and pilots world wide that
would have to be retrained with the new system.
3) Compatibility. I guess this also goes back to number one. Every
nation in the world would have to make changes. I suppose we could change
procedure for domestic flights and retain the old procedures for the
international flights.
And I could keep going.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Healy,
Joseph
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Air Traffic Control
I have a question.
Why is the ATC system so labor intensive? I can see that it works, but
with modern technology, why does it remain so archaic?
For example, Taxi drivers have had a device that give written dispatch
instructions for years. Even such a minor addition in the cockpit would
be a great help. I see a lot of development in EFIS systems for
experimental airplanes but this does not seem to be having any affect on
the laws or procedures used in ATC.
I asked a speaker at a recent EAA meeting if he thought that hand held
devices with graphic displays could improve the communication and
situational awareness. (I think existing information available on the
ground could easily be made available to the pilots. Basically;
weather, traffic and ATC instructions including all info on approach
plates). His response was a pie-in-the-sky description of private air
travel being like getting in an elevator, push a button, wait, and your
there.
Is the whole ATC system is stuck in the 50's because of trying to bite
off too much? It reminded me of a Star Trek episode where the guy talks
and the typewriter automatically types it out. Now, 40 yrs later, they
still can't get it to work right and I doubt they ever will.
Something simple, that is based on ordinary (Windows?) upgradeable
software would be great for private pilots. Then you could have express
type IFR control that would reduce the pilot work load.
-----Original Message-----
From: towertoy(at)earthlink.net [mailto:towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Aviation-List: Air Traffic Control
Hello,
As an air traffic controller, I have had discussions with many
pilots.
These pilots range from B747 captains to student pilots. I have found
there is much to be learned on both sides of the radio.
I am a radar approach controller and tower controller at Dayton,
Ohio
(DAY) and an instrument rated pilot.
If anyone has any thoughts about the ATC system they would like to
discuss, I would would be happy to participate in that discussion.
As always, thanks for choosing Dayton for your air traffic needs.
Dave Toy
Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Air Traffic Control |
| From: | Michael R Fortunato <wizard-24(at)juno.com> |
I guess I might chime in with a question. Being a low-time VFR pilot,
I've often wondered how controllers really feel when they get a call from
a "rookie". I'm sure you would rather deal with 747 captains rather than
newbies, and I feel as though I detect the controllers rolling their eyes
when getting a call that includes the words "Cessna 152". Is that true?
And if so, any tips on what the little pilots should do to minimize that?
Thanks.
Mike Fortunato
>
> Hello,
>
> As an air traffic controller, I have had discussions with many
> pilots.
> These pilots range from B747 captains to student pilots. I have
> found there
> is much to be learned on both sides of the radio.
>
> I am a radar approach controller and tower controller at
> Dayton, Ohio
> (DAY) and an instrument rated pilot.
>
> If anyone has any thoughts about the ATC system they would like
> to
> discuss, I would would be happy to participate in that discussion.
>
> As always, thanks for choosing Dayton for your air traffic needs.
>
> Dave Toy
> Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "Eric Borduas" <eborduas(at)lycos.com> |
| Subject: | Air Traffic Control |
>Something simple, that is based on ordinary (Windows?) upgradeable
>software would be great for private pilots. Then you could have express
>type IFR control that would reduce the pilot work load.
How much would you be willing to pay for such a system?
Technologically speaking, there is nothing that would prevent such a system
from being implemented. However, it would mean a major system upgrade for
the National Airspace System as it would for aircraft all operators
(commercial & private). Given that such a system would strongly couple the
various components of the air traffic control system (controller and
traffic), there would be a need for stringent standards, which would mean
that all equipment used in the system would need to be certified (read
expensive).
The high cost of certified equipment could lead to an entire segment of the
aviation community (namely general aviation) being frozen out of most
controlled airspaces. This would likely be a short term effect until the
cost of the needed equipment come down.
Also, don't forget that technology does not always simplify life. It
(technology) comes with its own baggage, steep learning curve, increased
complexity and in some cases little or no decrease in work load, merely a
shifting of the work load.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-technology. After all I earn a living
designing and building large, complex computer systems and it's from that
vantage that my comments stem from.
To illustrate the magnitude of the changes, think of HDTV. The entire
National Broadcast system was to have adopted HDTV years ago, but today
99.99% of all TV signals are still broadcasted in analog form. Keep in mind
that this is TV, a unidirectional, non-interactive medium where if someone
shuts their TV set off there is no effect on all other users of the medium.
Contrast that to an environment that is interactive (pilot's don't always
act as instructed) and bi-directional (acknowledgement of instructions).
It will happen, just not in this decade.
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| From: | <towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Data Link Question |
>>>>>I have a question.
Why is the ATC system so labor intensive? I can see that it works, but
with modern technology, why does it remain so archaic?
For example, Taxi drivers have had a device that give written dispatch
instructions for years. Even such a minor addition in the cockpit would
be a great help. I see a lot of development in EFIS systems for
experimental airplanes but this does not seem to be having any affect on
the laws or procedures used in ATC.>>>>>
I agree with Ken on this one. Money is a huge reason why a two way data
link for ATC is not in place. You can now get weather info via data link in
the cockpit of GA aircraft.
We were equiped with dial telephones at DAY approach until 8-10 years
ago. We have been getting quite a bit of new equipment lately. Mostly just
to bring us up to date. Items like data links for control instructions have
been talked about but I have not seen any real plans for implimenting it. But
I must say I am not in on the tech side of the information loop of what is
coming in the near future. I see the new equipment when it gets here.
Dave Toy
Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | <towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
>>>>>I guess I might chime in with a question. Being a low-time VFR pilot,
I've often wondered how controllers really feel when they get a call from
a "rookie". I'm sure you would rather deal with 747 captains rather than
newbies, and I feel as though I detect the controllers rolling their eyes
when getting a call that includes the words "Cessna 152". Is that true?
And if so, any tips on what the little pilots should do to minimize that?>>>>>
As a former student pilot myself, I know exactly how you feel. As an air
traffic controller, if all I was able to talk to were B747 pilots, I would be
bored to tears.
I worked straight midnight shifts for about 8 months. All I talked to
were Emery and Airborne Express pilots. They are a very professional group of
pilots. Working this type of traffic has its challenges but I missed the mix
of traffic I get on the day and evening shifts. And yes this includes student
pilots.
With that being said, let me tell you what sometimes happens on my side
of the mic. Sometimes a pilot will try to do something but goes about it in
an "oddball" way. Maybe he talked to someone who did it that way once or just
has never done this stuff before and is winging it. The controller gives our
new pilot some instructions, some of which is to compensate for our new
pilots techniques. Now our new pilot gets to where he is going, and thinks
"wow, that worked great. I'll do that the same way next time."
If I have time, when this happens, I try to educate pilots on the
frequency. I try to word what I am saying nicely and display a friendly
attitude. I do know that sometimes controllers can be "unfriendly" on the
frequency. All I can say is there are all types of people in every
profession. And you will get to talk to both good and bad natured
individuals.
What can you do? Use the system. By practice, reading, talking with
people, and yes making mistakes (hopefully minor ones), you will get to know
the system better. I started my instrument training before I got this job. I
finished my rating after I was fully certified. WOW, what a difference in
situational awareness between then and now.
But unless you are become an air traffic controller, you just need to get
out there and use the system. Get VFR traffic advisories. Fly into Charlie
airspace. Listen to the radio transmissions for not just your aircraft but
also those of other aircraft on frequency. It is amazing what can be learned
by just listening.
Two points to remember.
1) Fly the airplane. That is your first duty.
2) If you do not understand an instruction or a clearance, ask for
clarification. Your life may depend on it.
Working with ATC does not have to be unpleasant. If things did not go as
well as you would have liked on a flight while talking with ATC, self critique
the flight and learn from it. Talk with an experienced pilot about it. But
have fun learning. Isn't that why you are flying in the first place?
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Air Traffic Control |
| From: | "Healy, Joseph" <WJH(at)brplusa.com> |
I'm not suggesting a complete re-invention of the wheel. (at least not
yet)
With little more than 2 nav/coms, a marker beacon receiver and some
basic instruments I can fly IFR all day long. What I find missing is
easy access to INFORMATION. Weather, traffic, etc. All this info is
readily available on my PC, but that's at home, not in the plane. Yet.
Maybe then ATC could email me their instructions. There should be no
great development cost because practically all the devices already
exist. No great learning curve because most people know how to surf the
net.
I suspect that while all the FAA technocrats endlessly debate and
posture, I will ultimately receive the solution, not from the Aviation
Authorities, but from my Sprint PDA phone.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Borduas [mailto:eborduas(at)lycos.com]
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Air Traffic Control
>Something simple, that is based on ordinary (Windows?) upgradeable
>software would be great for private pilots. Then you could have
>express type IFR control that would reduce the pilot work load.
How much would you be willing to pay for such a system?
Technologically speaking, there is nothing that would prevent such a
system from being implemented. However, it would mean a major system
upgrade for the National Airspace System as it would for aircraft all
operators (commercial & private). Given that such a system would
strongly couple the various components of the air traffic control system
(controller and traffic), there would be a need for stringent standards,
which would mean that all equipment used in the system would need to be
certified (read expensive).
The high cost of certified equipment could lead to an entire segment of
the aviation community (namely general aviation) being frozen out of
most controlled airspaces. This would likely be a short term effect
until the cost of the needed equipment come down.
Also, don't forget that technology does not always simplify life. It
(technology) comes with its own baggage, steep learning curve, increased
complexity and in some cases little or no decrease in work load, merely
a shifting of the work load.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-technology. After all I earn a living
designing and building large, complex computer systems and it's from
that vantage that my comments stem from.
To illustrate the magnitude of the changes, think of HDTV. The entire
National Broadcast system was to have adopted HDTV years ago, but today
99.99% of all TV signals are still broadcasted in analog form. Keep in
mind that this is TV, a unidirectional, non-interactive medium where if
someone shuts their TV set off there is no effect on all other users of
the medium. Contrast that to an environment that is interactive (pilot's
don't always act as instructed) and bi-directional (acknowledgement of
instructions).
It will happen, just not in this decade.
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| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Data Link Question |
About three years ago I saw a demo of a data uplink for GA. What they were
showing was a moving map of aircraft in a sector complete with altitude data
displayed. This was up-linked to the aircraft from the ground control
equipment. The part I found real interesting was that the on board
computer was powered by a 486 chip. Reason being was that it was certified
to not interfere with the navigation radios. The technician said that the
time and expense of certifying all the new chips would probably keep the
equipment from taking advantage of the latest in computer technology.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
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From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
Subject: Aviation-List: Data Link Question
>>>>>I have a question.
Why is the ATC system so labor intensive? I can see that it works, but
with modern technology, why does it remain so archaic?
For example, Taxi drivers have had a device that give written dispatch
instructions for years. Even such a minor addition in the cockpit would
be a great help. I see a lot of development in EFIS systems for
experimental airplanes but this does not seem to be having any affect on
the laws or procedures used in ATC.>>>>>
I agree with Ken on this one. Money is a huge reason why a two way
data
link for ATC is not in place. You can now get weather info via data link in
the cockpit of GA aircraft.
We were equiped with dial telephones at DAY approach until 8-10 years
ago. We have been getting quite a bit of new equipment lately. Mostly just
to bring us up to date. Items like data links for control instructions have
been talked about but I have not seen any real plans for implimenting it.
But
I must say I am not in on the tech side of the information loop of what is
coming in the near future. I see the new equipment when it gets here.
Dave Toy
Towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: Student Pilot |
| From: | Michael R Fortunato <wizard-24(at)juno.com> |
Great post Dave, and it's interesting being able to get the perspective
from a controller. I don't disagree with anything you wrote -- it all
makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, where I fly (southern California), a
good percentage of the controllers are, shall we say, less patient than
you. They definitely seem more interested in dealing with the big boys
than us little guys -- which is what prompted my original post. But as
you wrote, there are those type of people in every profession, so I guess
I shouldn't be surprised.
In fact, "attitudes" are unfortunately a problem in every aspect of GA.
Visit most FBO's, and if you don't anyone, they look at you like you're
some sort of alien. Once they get to know you, it's an entirely different
story....but if we are to encourage new aviators (young and old), some of
these cliquish attitudes have to disappear. Of course, these are just my
observations, but I've found them to be consistent most places I go.
Anyway, glad to hear there are people out there like you who take the
time to recognize we're not all United Airline captains, and that we're
trying our best to conform to the system. Thanks!
Mike Fortunato
> As a former student pilot myself, I know exactly how you feel.
> As an air
> traffic controller, if all I was able to talk to were B747 pilots, I
> would be
> bored to tears.
> I worked straight midnight shifts for about 8 months. All I
> talked to
> were Emery and Airborne Express pilots. They are a very
> professional group of
> pilots. Working this type of traffic has its challenges but I
> missed the mix
> of traffic I get on the day and evening shifts. And yes this
> includes student
> pilots.
> With that being said, let me tell you what sometimes happens on
> my side
> of the mic. Sometimes a pilot will try to do something but goes
> about it in
> an "oddball" way. Maybe he talked to someone who did it that way
> once or just
> has never done this stuff before and is winging it. The controller
> gives our
> new pilot some instructions, some of which is to compensate for our
> new
> pilots techniques. Now our new pilot gets to where he is going, and
> thinks
> "wow, that worked great. I'll do that the same way next time."
> If I have time, when this happens, I try to educate pilots on
> the
> frequency. I try to word what I am saying nicely and display a
> friendly
> attitude. I do know that sometimes controllers can be "unfriendly"
> on the
> frequency. All I can say is there are all types of people in every
> profession. And you will get to talk to both good and bad natured
> individuals.
> What can you do? Use the system. By practice, reading,
> talking with
> people, and yes making mistakes (hopefully minor ones), you will get
> to know
> the system better. I started my instrument training before I got
> this job. I
> finished my rating after I was fully certified. WOW, what a
> difference in
> situational awareness between then and now.
> But unless you are become an air traffic controller, you just
> need to get
> out there and use the system. Get VFR traffic advisories. Fly into
> Charlie
> airspace. Listen to the radio transmissions for not just your
> aircraft but
> also those of other aircraft on frequency. It is amazing what can
> be learned
> by just listening.
> Two points to remember.
> 1) Fly the airplane. That is your first duty.
> 2) If you do not understand an instruction or a clearance, ask for
> clarification. Your life may depend on it.
> Working with ATC does not have to be unpleasant. If things did
> not go as
> well as you would have liked on a flight while talking with ATC,
> self critique
> the flight and learn from it. Talk with an experienced pilot about
> it. But
> have fun learning. Isn't that why you are flying in the first
> place?
>
> Dave Toy
> towertoy(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Brusehaver <cozytom(at)mn.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Air Traffic Control |
It is actually happening very quickly.
Currently the FAA is working on ADS/B. This is an add on to
the radar information. The controllers will get your position
and other aircraft positions from radars, and for the planes
equipped with ADS/B will get that also. All this information
will be correlated, and displayed to the controllers.
For the planes equipped with the right transponder (Garmin 330
is the only one that I know of right now) you can get that
same infomation. This is called TIS/B. The correlated information
will be broadcast to your plane.
Then there is a third feature, called FIS/B where text information
weather, and notams, and stuff will be available.
You need the transponder, and some kind of display. A PDA or
multifunction display or laptop will probably be the minimum
requirement.
The other side of that is our friends in congress in this lame
duck session not releasing the cash yet. The ground stations
need to be built. Nothing cheap here, but the whole system
depends on it. There are many stations in Alaska (CAPSTONE)
and some around Memphis TN and Louisville KY , and Fredrick MD.
[as an aside, the correlation task I mentioned is no small feat.
Radar isn't perfect, signals get bounced, and there are dead spots,
it is pretty good considering all it has to deal with tho. Then
the GPS's are not always right on, so you have to have these huge
sort boxes trying to match the radar signal, the transponder beacon
and the GPS positions. The controllers will tell you about the
size of their marks on the screen getting bigger the farther from
the sensor the targets are, due to ambiguity, but thise gets even
more fun, trying to inform the controller what ambiguity there
is and using what criteria.]
>
> I'm not suggesting a complete re-invention of the wheel. (at least not
> yet)
> With little more than 2 nav/coms, a marker beacon receiver and some
> basic instruments I can fly IFR all day long. What I find missing is
> easy access to INFORMATION. Weather, traffic, etc. All this info is
> readily available on my PC, but that's at home, not in the plane. Yet.
> Maybe then ATC could email me their instructions. There should be no
> great development cost because practically all the devices already
> exist. No great learning curve because most people know how to surf the
> net.
> I suspect that while all the FAA technocrats endlessly debate and
> posture, I will ultimately receive the solution, not from the Aviation
> Authorities, but from my Sprint PDA phone.
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| From: | "David Toy" <Towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Student Pilot |
>>>>>>>
Great post Dave, and it's interesting being able to get the perspective
from a controller. I don't disagree with anything you wrote -- it all
makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, where I fly (southern California), a
good percentage of the controllers are, shall we say, less patient than
you. They definitely seem more interested in dealing with the big boys
than us little guys -- which is what prompted my original post. But as
you wrote, there are those type of people in every profession, so I guess
I shouldn't be surprised.
In fact, "attitudes" are unfortunately a problem in every aspect of GA.
Visit most FBO's, and if you don't anyone, they look at you like you're
some sort of alien. Once they get to know you, it's an entirely different
story....but if we are to encourage new aviators (young and old), some of
these cliquish attitudes have to disappear. Of course, these are just my
observations, but I've found them to be consistent most places I go.
Anyway, glad to hear there are people out there like you who take the
time to recognize we're not all United Airline captains, and that we're
trying our best to conform to the system. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
Hi Mike,
At the FBO's you are a paying customer. They may not be quite as
friendly until they get to know you but they will still provide a service to
get your money. Just remember this about ATC, you have already paid for the
service. Take advantage of it. Due to the safety nature of the business,
if you are wanting a Big Mac, it may be too busy for that, you may have to
take a cheeseburger. But after they get to know you and you get to know
them (on the radio), you will know when to ask for things that they will
then have time for. Through practice with the system, your flight will
become less of a workload.
But you have to practice to get your knowledge base to that point. If
you don't want to practice where the "big boys" fly, take a cross country
flight to less populated airspace. But ultimately, to get to know the
procedures for the Southern California airspace, you have to fly in it and
use the system. Maybe try flying in areas that do not require ATC service
but just ask for traffic advisories. Then advance from there. You have to
decide if it is worth it to you to go through the "initiation under fire",
so to speak. But if you intend to get in instrument rating, the time you
spend as a VFR pilot learning the system will make the training time under
IFR, so much easier.
Have fun with it,
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "David Toy" <Towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Data Link Question |
Reference the data link discussion , most folks in ATC would love to
have a two way data link system. Even if only the airlines were using it.
It would greatly reduce frequency congestion. But how ever the system comes
to life, the replies and control inputs by the pilots would have to be
immediate. There would be nothing like trying to turn an aircraft to the
localizer, and find a 15 or 30 second delay in the aircraft turning. An
airliner would travel two miles past the localizer by then. Talk about
problems with spacing.
I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a look
at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put airplanes
were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell them to go.
But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture and flexibility.
If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific times, the aircraft
computers can tell them how to do that. But what happens when there is a
line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go through that same hole in
the wall of clouds at the same time. It just doesn't happen.
The technology will eventually get into the aircraft, data link and
others. But it will be slow and expensive. But I think there will always
have to have a person there to solve the major problems, both on the flight
deck and on the ground.
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Data Link Question |
| From: | "Healy, Joseph" <WJH(at)brplusa.com> |
What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
flew outside the lines.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Toy [mailto:Towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Data Link Question
-->
Reference the data link discussion , most folks in ATC would love
to have a two way data link system. Even if only the airlines were
using it. It would greatly reduce frequency congestion. But how ever
the system comes to life, the replies and control inputs by the pilots
would have to be immediate. There would be nothing like trying to turn
an aircraft to the localizer, and find a 15 or 30 second delay in the
aircraft turning. An airliner would travel two miles past the localizer
by then. Talk about problems with spacing.
I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a
look at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put
airplanes were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell
them to go. But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture
and flexibility. If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific
times, the aircraft computers can tell them how to do that. But what
happens when there is a line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go
through that same hole in the wall of clouds at the same time. It just
doesn't happen.
The technology will eventually get into the aircraft, data link and
others. But it will be slow and expensive. But I think there will
always have to have a person there to solve the major problems, both on
the flight deck and on the ground.
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | Tom Brusehaver <cozytom(at)mn.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Data Link Question |
> I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a look
> at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put airplanes
> were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell them to go.
> But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture and flexibility.
> If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific times, the aircraft
> computers can tell them how to do that. But what happens when there is a
> line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go through that same hole in
> the wall of clouds at the same time. It just doesn't happen.
Are you talking about URET (User Request Evaluation Tool)?
A pilot can request direct XYZ, the controller enters that
and the computer says ok or there are conflicts/weather whatever.
Are there things you think it needs?
I know it isn't fully deployed, but it is for free flight.
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| From: | Tom Brusehaver <cozytom(at)mn.rr.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Data Link Question |
>
> What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
> connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
> shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
> Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
> screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
> the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
> through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
> flew outside the lines.
It would probably work great when flying in and around LA, plenty
of wireless access points. When you are out in Western North Dakota
there wouldn't be anything.
The ground stations need to be built to make this work, and the FAA
is working on it.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Data Link Question |
And while you are at it why not just input the data into the auto pilot, add
auto land to the aircraft and remove the pilot.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Healy,
Joseph
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Data Link Question
What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
flew outside the lines.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Toy [mailto:Towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Data Link Question
-->
Reference the data link discussion , most folks in ATC would love
to have a two way data link system. Even if only the airlines were
using it. It would greatly reduce frequency congestion. But how ever
the system comes to life, the replies and control inputs by the pilots
would have to be immediate. There would be nothing like trying to turn
an aircraft to the localizer, and find a 15 or 30 second delay in the
aircraft turning. An airliner would travel two miles past the localizer
by then. Talk about problems with spacing.
I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a
look at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put
airplanes were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell
them to go. But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture
and flexibility. If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific
times, the aircraft computers can tell them how to do that. But what
happens when there is a line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go
through that same hole in the wall of clouds at the same time. It just
doesn't happen.
The technology will eventually get into the aircraft, data link and
others. But it will be slow and expensive. But I think there will
always have to have a person there to solve the major problems, both on
the flight deck and on the ground.
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "David Toy" <Towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02 |
>>>>>>
What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
flew outside the lines.
>>>>>>
While I am not in the design part of the FAA, whatever type of data link
does get to the flight deck for ATC purposes will have to have a response
time from the pilot equal to or better than the voice / radio communications
we now "enjoy".
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
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| From: | "David Toy" <Towertoy(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02 |
> I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a
look
> at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put
airplanes
> were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell them to go.
> But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture and flexibility.
> If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific times, the aircraft
> computers can tell them how to do that. But what happens when there is a
> line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go through that same hole in
> the wall of clouds at the same time. It just doesn't happen.
>Are you talking about URET (User Request Evaluation Tool)?
>A pilot can request direct XYZ, the controller enters that
>and the computer says ok or there are conflicts/weather whatever.
>Are there things you think it needs?
>I know it isn't fully deployed, but it is for free flight.
I have never heard of URET. Basically, free flight, as I understand it, is
were aircraft do not have to get lined up for major airports hundreds of
miles before arriving at the airport. They would have a time to be at a
specified fix in order to get in line for the airport. There is a procedure
now called NRP (National Route Plan) where airlines can do this to a limited
number of flights. This is more of a center controller function than a
terminal controller (that I am) function. But the controllers are supposed
to avoid route changes to these flights.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Tom Brusehaver <cozytom(at)mn.rr.com> |
My favorite part of working for Lockheed it no one
knows what they do :-).
URET is deployed at Kansas City, Cleveland, Chicago, Indianapolis,
Memphis and Washington air route traffic centers.
<http://ffp1.faa.gov/about/about_article1.asp>
<http://ffp1.faa.gov/tools/tools_uret.asp>
Almost no one knows that Lockheed did most of the software
for Capstone, the ADS/B proving ground. There is so much we
are working on, it seems Raytheon gets all the credit,
oh well.
David Toy wrote:
>
>> I may open up a can of worms with this next paragraph. But take a
>>
> look
>
>>at free flight. With today's technology, aircraft systems can put
>>
> airplanes
>
>>were they need to be better than a human with a radio can tell them to go.
>>But what all the aircraft computers lack is a big picture and flexibility.
>>If aircraft have to be at specific fixes at specific times, the aircraft
>>computers can tell them how to do that. But what happens when there is a
>>line of thunderstorms and everybody needs to go through that same hole in
>>the wall of clouds at the same time. It just doesn't happen.
>>
>
>
>>Are you talking about URET (User Request Evaluation Tool)?
>>
>
>>A pilot can request direct XYZ, the controller enters that
>>and the computer says ok or there are conflicts/weather whatever.
>>Are there things you think it needs?
>>
>
>>I know it isn't fully deployed, but it is for free flight.
>>
>
> I have never heard of URET. Basically, free flight, as I understand it, is
> were aircraft do not have to get lined up for major airports hundreds of
> miles before arriving at the airport. They would have a time to be at a
> specified fix in order to get in line for the airport. There is a procedure
> now called NRP (National Route Plan) where airlines can do this to a limited
> number of flights. This is more of a center controller function than a
> terminal controller (that I am) function. But the controllers are supposed
> to avoid route changes to these flights.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List FAQs! |
Dear Listers,
I got to looking at the Email List FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) today
and realized that they where miserably out of date. I spent a wad of time
today completely revising them and adding in documentation on all of the
many new features such as the List Browse and Photoshare. Many of the
little-known features are documented in there now, too, so even if you're a
seasoned List veteran, you might want to give it a read. Never know what
you might discover.
At the bottom of this message in the Trailer you will find a new link item
called "List FAQ" with a URL for this specific List. Just click on it and
print it out or read it online.
Don't forget that November is the List Fund Raiser month! The "2002 List
of Contributors" is just days away and I know you'll want to make sure your
name is on it!! Please make your Contribution today to support the
continued operation of these List Services!
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
________________________________________________________________________________
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02 |
| From: | "Healy, Joseph" <WJH(at)brplusa.com> |
I agree with you 100%. There is nothing more attention grabbing,
unambiguous, or immediate, than a voice in your ear saying "PULL UP!!".
However, I was thinking that text in the cockpit would reduce the more
mundane "on-air" traffic like read backs of flight plan instructions or
initial contact requests for VFR flight following etc. I don't advocate
getting rid of the voice radio, but when it is the ONLY communication
medium between air craft and ATC it is easily overwhelmed.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Toy [mailto:Towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02
-->
>>>>>>
What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
flew outside the lines.
>>>>>>
While I am not in the design part of the FAA, whatever type of data link
does get to the flight deck for ATC purposes will have to have a
response time from the pilot equal to or better than the voice / radio
communications we now "enjoy".
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
==
Contribution
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aviation-list
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02 |
Please put the original subject on the messages when you digest users reply
to a message.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aviation-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Healy,
Joseph
Subject: RE: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02
I agree with you 100%. There is nothing more attention grabbing,
unambiguous, or immediate, than a voice in your ear saying "PULL UP!!".
However, I was thinking that text in the cockpit would reduce the more
mundane "on-air" traffic like read backs of flight plan instructions or
initial contact requests for VFR flight following etc. I don't advocate
getting rid of the voice radio, but when it is the ONLY communication
medium between air craft and ATC it is easily overwhelmed.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Toy [mailto:Towertoy(at)earthlink.net]
Subject: Aviation-List: Re: Aviation-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 11/22/02
-->
>>>>>>
What if you had laptop in the cockpit with a wireless internet
connection that was live for the whole flight. (assume bulletproof,
shockproof, waterproof, triple redundant, whatever to make it airworthy)
Then email a "road-in-the-sky" to the pilot that would display on the
screen for him to follow. ATC could request a read receipt to ensure
the message was received. The ground computer would shuffle everyone
through the hole and you would only have to contact by radio anyone who
flew outside the lines.
>>>>>>
While I am not in the design part of the FAA, whatever type of data link
does get to the flight deck for ATC purposes will have to have a
response time from the pilot equal to or better than the voice / radio
communications we now "enjoy".
Dave Toy
towertoy(at)earthlink.net
==
Contribution
=
=
=
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/aviation-list
=
=
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
There are only a few days left until the November List of Contributors. I
thought I'd take another opportunity to pass along some of the really nice
things people have been saying recently about the Lists and how much they
mean to them.
If you receive value from the Lists in the form of ideas, assistance,
comradery, moral support, inspiration, or just plain 'ol good
entertainment, then won't take a moment to make a Contribution to support
the continued operation and upgrade of them?
Secure List Contribution Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
What does the List mean to you? Here's what some of your fellow
contributing List members have said...
------------------------- What Listers Are Saying -------------------------
Great service for aviation types like me.
Larry H
Best investment I've made.
Harley B
I've been on this list since around 1996 and used it to
help me finish my RV-6A three years ago. I'm still here
because I still learn from it and use it to help others
like me who may be where nobody else is building a RV.
Thanks for your service to our community. It's appreciated.
Jim S
[List] people are a great break away from politics, religion
and other sordid subjects.
Robert B
This site is a great confidence builder for the amateur builder.
Gene L
Great service!
Barry P
Very handy list to have, a good place for a beginner to
get great answers from those who already experienced it.
...sure enjoy reading it.
Joel R
...valuable service!
Chris & Indira K
This is the better than any morning paper - the best and
most frequent service that I use on the Internet. Great
job! This will make building the RV doable for me.
Pete E
I enjoy all of the ideas, suggestions and humor that comes
with this list. I don't think I could build my RV4 with
out everyone's help.
Ross S
GRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
James W
The list is a great source of information, motivation,
entertainment, passionate debate, and light-hearted back
slapping. I wouldn't be without it.
Roger H
...would still be looking for plans to hook-up s-tec auto
pilot without your service!
David S
The new [digest] format is good.
Graham S
Great information you can't get anywhere else. Lots of nice
people who have "Been there...done that."
George D
My normal morning routine:
1 Kiss "the princess"
2 Good cup of coffee
3 Log onto "List"
A wonderful means of exchanging ideas, asking questions,
gathering information, and sharing experiences.
Robert G
Great lists. Not only are the lists professionally and efficiently
managed, but the *people* on the lists are very helpful, friendly
and fun to chat with. Thank you for this wonderful resource.
Ihab A
Thanks a million, well maybe not a million!!! (:
Ken H
I need this fix every morning or I get grumpy...
Wayne P
Very useful lists
Paul E
This communication medium that you created, nurtured and
continue to maintain is the best thing since AN rivets!
Jim J
The information I gleaned off the list has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
I've been a subscriber to varied lists for several years
now. The knowledge provided has been extremely useful
throughout.
David P
Enjoy everyone's input even though I am not a
builder...just a flyer.
Douglas P
Just laughin' and a scratchin'
Dennis N
It is a real asset and good for comic relief.
Ross S
I can't build my plane without your service!
Kent H
Great info on the lists!
Wesley H
I'm very new to the List but have already benefited
greatly.
Jim S
The "List" has been my best source for information
concerning my aviation projects. Besides, it also
brings a bunch of people together to share their
interests and knowledge. Thanks for providing a
state of the art, easy to use resource tool.
David A
I have saved a lot of grief and dollars from referencing
this site. It is truly an extension of Van's product
support.
Joseph C
Terrific asset this List is to the builder!
Scott J
Great service!
Tony B
Look forward to the list each and every day.
John B
I could not cope up here in this lonely island without
the help of the List and all the wonderful helpful
people that have the experience of aircraft building
and flying for fun.
Johann J
This list is part of my daily routine. I'm addicted.
Terry D
Great forum!
John H
This list is my main interest in the Internet.
George R
Great list. The best out there on any subject.
Kevin H
Been on the list since 1998 and I still look forward to
reading the list every day. A most valuable tool. I have
picked up many useful tips during the construction of
my RV-4.
Jerry I
Thanks for all of your hard work on the lists. It is
one of the reasons I bought a CJ-6A. Without the
Yak-list, I believe it would have been much more
difficult to get all the information that I need
for safe operation and maintenance of this fine
aircraft.
David L
The List has been an amazing source of useful
information. I consider it one of my best builder
tools.
Gunter M
An excellent channel of information. I have gained a
wealth of knowledge on both building and flying Kolb
aircraft.
Jim B
Enjoy the wealth of information that is shared.
Richard N
Fine service.
Beauford T
[The] List is the first stop of the day. Made lot of
friends from it.
Orie S
The information I gleaned off the List has always been
helpful.
Kenneth B
Over the 3+ years that I have been building, I check it
several times each day. I have learned a lot of very
useful tips that have helped me in my building.
Richard D
Not only is it worth a contribution for the info gleaned
from it but the personalities alone are pure entertainment!
Stephen F
This is great stuff!!! Entertaining, too!! Fast answers
from those who really know...
Bob R
I am building an RV-9A and have received help from
the lists and occasionally been able to give help to
others.
Alden Van W
This list has saved me countless hours of work and worry
already, and I'm only halfway there! Undoubtedly the most
important aid I have yet found in this sometimes
intimidating process of building an aircraft.
Paul H
I've been a member since '96 and have learned so much from
the vast knowledge of the listers.
Gary Z
Outstanding List, exceptionally maintained.
David S
Thanks for all the improvements you've made this year. The
Photoshare feature definitely proves "one picture is worth
a thousand words".
Richard H
I finished my RV6A this year. It is a much better airplane
because of the help I found on the RV and Aeroelectric
Lists.
Dale W
Can't imagine building without the list.
Larry H
The list continues to be a great resource of information
and advice.
Jeff O
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New Gift Selection Added - List Fund Raiser! [Please Read] |
Dear Listers,
I've just added a great new last minute Gift Selection to this year's List
Fund Raiser line up! I have a very limited number of sets of a wonderful
collection of Aircraft Technical books by Jeppesen entitled "The A&P
Technical Series Book Set". This is a great opportunity to make a generous
Contribution to support the Lists and walk away with a great set of
reference manuals at the same time.
This set of books normally retails for over $117 PLUS shipping, but you can
pick up your set AND make this year's List Contribution for a cool C-note -
that's a $100, by the way! :-) I'm thinking "Great Christmas Gift"...
There's more information on the books and making your Contribution at the
List Contribution web site:
Email List Contribution Web Site: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
We're coming close to the official end of this year's List Fund Raiser and
if you haven't yet made your Contribution, there's still time get your name
on that List of Contributors! The percentage of contributors is kind of
low this year but I'm hoping many of you are just holding out until the
last minute!
I want to thank each and everyone of you that has already made a donation
to support the continued operation and upgrade of these List Services. As
I've mentioned in the past, running these Lists is a labor of love for me
and the hours upon hours of code development, system maintenance, and
upgrades are MY Contribution to support this great resource for Builders
and Flyer's alike. Won't your take a minute and make YOUR Contribution today?
I want to thank you for your support both during the Fund Raiser but also
throughout the year in the form of kind words and moral support. A nice
comment from a List member about how much the lists have helped them is
always a sure way to brighten my day!
Thank you to all!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ!] "What is my Contribution used for?" |
Dear Listers,
Some have asked, "What is my Contribution used for?", and this is a valid
question. Here are just a few examples of what your direct List support
enables. It provides for the expensive, business-class, high-speed
Internet connection used on the List, insuring maximum performance and
minimal contention when accessing List services. It pays for the regular
system hardware and software upgrades enabling the highest performance
possible for services such as the Archive Search Engine and List
Browser. It pays for 14+ years worth of online archive data available for
instant random access. And, it offsets the many hours spent writing,
developing, and maintaining the custom applications that power this List
Service such as the List Browse, Search Engine, and Photoshare.
But most importantly, your List Contribution enables a forum where you and
your peers can communicate freely in an environment that is free from
moderation, censorship, advertising, commercialism, SPAM, and computer
viruses. How many places on the Internet can you make all those statements
about these days? I will venture to say - next to none...
It is YOUR CONTRIBUTION that directly enables these many desirable aspects
of this most valuable List service. Please support it today with your List
Contribution. Its the best investment you can make in your Sport - BAR NONE!
Email List Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you for your support!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
This is the last "official" day of the List Fund Raiser. Based on previous
year's percentages of Lister's making a Contribution, this year we are
nearly 40% behind the normal... And I thought all those great gifts would
eke the percentage up past the average a little. Oh well. Maybe people
just don't really mind the flashing banner ads for Viagra, and popups for
X10 minicams...
There's still plenty of time to get your name of the List of
Contributors. I'll probably publish the LOC on Monday night after I
process the checks from the Post Office.
I do want to thank everyone that has so generously made a Contribution so
far this year. Your support is greatly appreciated and is what makes the
Lists possible.
How to support your Lists this month: http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New List Digest Format!! |
Dear Listers,
I've just finished up some awesome code that will completely change your
thinking about how email Digests should work and look! Yeah, I'm kind of
proud of it, that is true... :-)
What you'll be getting in the new List Digest message is the
following: The main message will contain the new text-based index I
introduced a few weeks back. But here's where things get
different... Instead of simply including all of the day's posts in line
within the message, there will now be included two enclosures - one with a
HTML encoded version of the Digests, and another with the usual text-only
version of the Digests.
I think you're really going to like the new HTML enclosure of the
Digests. All of the Indexes at the top are now hyperlinked to the actual
posts and there are hyperlinks at the top of each post that will:
o Take you back to the Index
o Take you to the next post
o Take you to the previous post
o Allow you to respond to the LIST regarding the message
o Allow you to respond directly to the POSTER regarding the message
You'll have to check it out to appreciate the full goodness of the new
format! :-)
The text-only version is basically exactly the same data that has been
normally sent in line within the message.
You'll also note that the filenames of the enclosures are such that they
can be conveniently placed in a personal "archive" directory for future
reference.
Hope you enjoy the new Digest format!!!
Oh, and don't forget about the Fund Raiser! :-)
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | New, NEW List Digest Format... |
Dear Listers,
Okay, so I woke up this morning to an email box full of hate-mail about the
new List Digest format. I thought it was cool, but I guess not... Still,
it seemed like too much code to just throw out, so I've modified things a
little and I'm hoping everyone will be happy with the new, NEW
arrangement. Here's how it works now:
o The HTML and TXT enclosures aren't sent in the Digest any longer.
o URL Links to the HTML and TEXT versions of the day's Digests
will be found at the top of the digest email.
o The new Digest Index will be found at the top of the digest email
following the URL Links.
o The full digest text will then be found in the email as before.
o All of the previous Digests will now be available on line. The
URL for the main digest page is:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
From here, you can drill into the specific List Digest of interest.
o Both the HTML and TXT versions of the Digests can be found here.
o The List Message Trailer will contain a Link directly to the given
o Right now there's only one Digest shown, but each day there will
be another. They will be sorted with the newest at the top.
Left-hand column is the HTML version, right-hand column the TXT
version.
A couple people also complained that some messages in the HTML version were
just one long line that went off to the right forever and they hated
that. Come to think of it, this is also an issue in the Search Engine,
List Browser, and Archive Browser. Some email programs don't included hard
Returns at regular intervals and that's what causes this. I wrote a
program tonight that will automatically chop these long lines into 78
characters or less and wrap the rest of the line. After tonight's Archive
transfer, all of the Searching and Browsing tools shouldn't have the
problem any longer either. Woo hoo!
So, back to the new Digest format. What people are going to see in the
new, NEW Digest is a bit of verbiage at the top of the email describing the
URL links to the HTML and TXT on-line versions, followed by the Links,
followed by the day's Index, followed by the day's messages just as
before. Lines longer than 78 characters will also be automatically wrapped
onto the next line.
Hopefully this will be a more pleasing arrangement for everyone. Sorry to
get everybody so stirred up over the format change!
The List of Contributors is coming out tomorrow night... Still time to
make that Contribution! http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Email List Admin.
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| From: | "Gozewijn Vlasblom" <vlasblom(at)ripnet.com> |
I am just about done with the Fuselage and I have a part left over that I
cannot place.
F877 APP.
9"x7" 1/16" thick with 4 bends in it.
It has 4 sets of holes that seem to be there for large platenuts in the same
spacing as for the engine controls.
I would like to know what I am missing.
Thanks
Goz Vlasblom 90171
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 7-Day Matronics List Browse Enhancement... |
Dear Listers,
Neil Hulin of the Zenith-List at Matronics wrote to me suggesting I add a
"total of available messages" column to the 7-Day List Browse Main page,
and it seemed like a great idea! I've made the modifications and I think
many will find it extremely helpful as well. Have a look at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse/
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin...
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade TODAY... |
Dear Listers,
The time has finally arrived for the Internet Service Provider (ISP)
upgrade! You'll recall that I was looking into upgrading the existing SDSL
connection from 768k to 1.1M. As it turned out, the copper line wouldn't
support any speeds greater than the current 768k. In light of that news, I
just bit-the-bullet and ordered a full, commercial-grade T1
connection. The T1 connection will provide a full-duplex, high priority,
1.5Mb Internet connection which should be a substantial performance
enhancement for all of the List services!
Pacbell delivered the T1 Loop last week and it tested out fine. This past
weekend I pulled the tail circuit from the demark to the office. This
afternoon, Tuesday 4/1/03, the ISP is suppose come and install the new
router and bring up routing on a test subnet. Assuming that everything
checks out okay with the T1, new router, and routing, I will have them
swing the main Matronics subnet off the SDSL and onto the T1. In theory,
the swing could be nearly transparent to users, but that's usually not the
case... ;-)
Please expect a bit of instability in connectivity this afternoon as we
work though the transition issues. I will post a follow up message when
everything is up and running on the new T1 line.
Finally, please know that it is solely your Contributions that make these
kinds of List upgrades happen! There is no advertising budget (aka,
flashing banner ads and annoying pop up browser windows) to pay these
bills; operational support is solely from List members like you during the
yearly List Fund Raiser. If you would like to make your Contribution to
support the Lists and upgrades like this T1 connectivity enhancement,
please see the List Contribution Web Site where you can make your
Contribution with a Credit Card, PayPal, or Personal Check. You can even
get a free List Archive CDROM with a qualifying List Contribution! The URL
is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thanks again to EVERYONE that made a generous Contribution last year and
enabled this awesome upgrade to T1 service!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | Mayor Daley bulldozes Chicago's Meigs Field |
More info can be found at
http://www.chicagotribune.com/
http://friendsofmeigs.org/
http://www.aopa.org
http://www.eaa.org
http://www.avweb.com
If you wish to comment to the mayor his email is
mayordaley(at)cityofchicago.org
If you wish to comment to the governor of Il his email is
governor(at)state.il.us
Thanks for listening.
Ken
av8or(at)citizen.infi.net
kring(at)mountainviewdogs.com
kring(at)irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
www.mountainviewdogs.com
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | "Ken" <av8or(at)citizen.infi.net> |
| Subject: | FW: Meigs Action Request: Immediate letters to editors, |
legislators
-----Original Message-----
From: 10097-return-134-74747528(at)lb.bcentral.com
[mailto:10097-return-134-74747528(at)lb.bcentral.com]On Behalf Of Friends
of Meigs Field
Subject: Meigs Action Request: Immediate letters to editors, legislators
Friends of Meigs call for letters to editors, legislators:
We have been deluged with letters already--many eloquent and heartfelt, others
outraged and disgusted--all in opposition to the storm-trooper tactics of the
City of Chicago in bulldozing Meigs Field under police guard in the dead of Sunday
night.
As indicated in our last e-mail the Friends of Meigs and our allies are working
hard and rapidly on formulating legal and other strategies in response.
In the meantime, we are asking everyone (EVERYONE!, including you!!!) to write
letters of opposition to the demolition and in support of reopening Meigs ASAP.
If you have not done so already, please compose a letter and send it to:
Both of your U.S. Senators (see below)
Your U.S. Representative (see below)
The Chicago Tribune, ctc-TribLetter(at)Tribune.com
The Chicago Sun-Times, Letters(at)SunTimes.com
Any other Chicago/Illinois papers/media outlets
Governor Rod Blagojevich, governor(at)state.il.us
Please copy us at letters(at)meigsaction.net
Links:
E-mail addresses to look up your elected leaders:
http://meigsaction.net/html/reps.htm
E-mail links for Illinois media outlets:
http://meigsaction.net/html/media.htm
This abuse of power must be stopped!
Thanks,
SGW
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics ISP Upgrade COMPLETED! |
Dear Listers,
I just wanted to send out a quick note to let everyone know that the 1.5Mb
T1 connection upgrade went smoothly today. They brought up the new line
and router yesterday on a test subnet and today the ISP switched over
connectivity about 12 noon with little to no incident. I just finished
some performance testing, and it appears that actual throughput and
interactive response is noticeably improved as advertised!
Enjoy!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Maynard Rupp <maynardrupp(at)comcast.net> |
Does anyone know where I can get a Hoskins Strobe tube Part #201675. This is
used in the self contained belly mounted replacement unit for a
conventional rotating beacon. I can't find any parts listed for these units.
Thanks Maynard Rupp..maynardrupp(at)comcast.net
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| From: | <phil(at)petrasoft.net> |
Please see the attached zip file for details.
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| From: | "Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com> |
round trip to bedford ind.700 mi from baraboo 2hrs. there 2hrs.10 min. on return
6k both ways 32 gals fuel .what a super trip what a super airplane Bob Danner
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| From: | "Kevin R. Chaffee" <kchaffee(at)earthtekonline.com> |
| Subject: | blue mountain avionics EFIS/One for sale |
Due to business responsibilities I don't have time to complete my
Glastar kit and would like to sell a blue mountain avionics EFIS/One
with Flash upgrade, cable kit, AOA kit, expansion for 32 sensors, and
analog cable for $15,000.
Kevin Chaffee, P.E.
President
Earthtek Environmental Systems, Inc.
204 South Street
Batesville, IN 47006
812-934-5035
812-934-5018 Fax
812-528-8784 Mobile
kchaffee(at)earthtekonline.com
www.earthtekonline.com
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems |
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New Matronics Email List Online Chat!!! |
Hi Listers!
A number of Listers have been asking for some Matronics Email List online
chat and NOW ITS HERE! Over the last couple of days I've set up a nifty
web-based Chat site here on the Matronics systems. No special programs to
download; all you need is a late model web browser like Internet Explorer
or Netscape with a java plugin. I would recommend downloading the latest
Java plugin if you experience any problems getting the page to come
up. Here's a link to the Sun Java download
website. http://java.com/en/index.jsp Look for the green box with the
yellow arrow in the upper right corner. Before you bother, though, just
try you browser because it'll probably just work.
Each Email List on Matronics has its own "Room" and all rooms can easily be
accessed from the same client. In the Email List URL Trailer at the bottom
of each List message, you'll find the Link to this List's specific Chat
Room. Just click on the Link, and then type in your name or email address
in the User Name box. Try to use a name or email address that the other
Listers know you by. You'll find me lurking around the various List chat
rooms as "MattDralle".
There's a couple of nifty features I'll explain right off. On the main
Chat Window page after you login, you'll see a little icon with a Hammer
and a Screwdriver. This is the Control Panel window. Once the Control
Panel comes up, click on the "Settings" tab. Here you'll find, among other
things, three check boxes to enable sound. Click all three and you'll be
treated to a sound whenever someone enters or leaves the Room, or when
someone sends a message.
The other cool button is the one that has four little arrows pointing to
each of the four corners of the button. This will rip the main Chat window
from the web page and allow you to resize and move it anyway you'd like.
Let's have some fun and get to know one another better using this awesome
new Chat Room! To get started, just click the URL Link below for this
List's specific Chat Room!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin
PS - I'm working on a web link interface to the chat logfiles. Coming soon...
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | 2003 List Fund Raiser - Please Support Your Lists... |
Dear Listers,
During November of each year, I have a voluntary Email List Fund Raiser to
support the continued operation, development, maintenance and upgrade of
the Email Forums sponsored here. Your Contributions go directly into
improvements in the systems that support the Lists and to pay for the
Internet connectivity primarily dedicated to supporting the Lists.
The traffic on the Lists continues to grow and the numbers are nothing
short of impressive! Here are some statistics that show how much traffic
the Lists generated this year alone:
* 11/01/2002 - 10/31/2003
o Web server hits: 10,446,780 (870,565/mo)
o Incoming Email Posts: 58,918 (4,909/mo)
List-related upgrades this year have been plentiful, and List performance
has substantially improved as a result. Upgrades and enhancements this
year have included:
* Internet Connection upgrade to a full, commercial-grade T1 Line!
* New Web Server platform - Dual 3Ghz Xeon with 2Gb Ram and U320 SCSI!
* Upgrade of Email Server platform - Dual 1.7 Ghz Xeon with 1Gb Ram!
* All new SPAM Filtering Appliance - filters about 98% of the unwanted SPAM!
* All new, web-base List Chat Room society!
As you can well imagine, this year's upgrades translate into a fair amount
of cash outlay on my part and this annual List Fund Raiser is the sole
means by which I fund these upgrades. Unlike most of the other "list
servers" on the Web these days, I have a strict
*no-commercial-advertisement policy* on the Matronics Lists and associated
List web sites. I was again approached by a number of vendors recently
with advertising deals that have been very tempting. My commitment to
providing a grass-roots, non-commercial environment prevailed,
however! Commercialism on the Internet seems to be increasing
exponentially every year, with more and more SPAM and pop up ads, not to
mention the ever increasing Virus attacks.
My goal with the Matronics List Service is to provide all members
with a commercial-free, virus-free, and high-performance system
with which the may share information, ideas, and camaraderie.
The best news this year is that, with the gracious help of Andy Gold and
The Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I have been able
to significantly expand the lineup of fantastic Gift offers to support the
List Fund Raiser! In all, there are eight awesome free gifts this year
ranging from List Archive CD's to Flight Computers with qualifying
Contribution levels. Those great Jeppesen Flight Bags that were so popular
last year are even back! A special thanks goes out to Andy Gold again this
year for his very kind and generous support of the Lists. Thanks Andy, for
these great incentives!!
Over the next month I'll be posting a few reminder messages about the List
Fund Raiser, and I ask for your patience and understanding during the
process. Remember that the Lists are *completely* funded through the
generous Contributions of its members. That's it! There's no support from
a bloated advertising budget or deep pockets somewhere. Its all made
possible through YOUR thoughtful and generous support!
To make your List Contribution using a Visa or MasterCard, PalPal, or with
a personal check, please go to the URL link below. Here you can find
additional details on this year's great free Gifts as well as information
on the various methods of payment. Contributions in the $20, $30, $50,
$75, and $100 range are common. The Contribution web page is kind of long
this year with the details of each of the gifts, so please scroll all the
way down!
SSL Secure Contribution Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
I would like to thank everyone who supports the Lists this year! Your
Contributions truly make it all possible!!
Thank you!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Fund Raiser - Wow, Have You Seen The Free Gifts? |
Dear Listers,
The List Fund Raiser is going well so far this year and I wanted to say
"Thank You" to everyone that has made a Contribution already this year!
Though the generous support of Andy Gold and the Builders Bookstore (
http://www.buildersbooks.com ), I'm able to offer some truly awesome gifts
with qualifying Contributions this year. There's quite a line up and a
rather diverse set of options - certainly something for every taste and
personality. Here's a list of this year's fine options:
* List Archive CD
* Aircraft Builder's Log
* Pilot Flashlight System
* Pro Pilot Logbook
* FAR/AIM on CD
* Jeppesen Flight Bag
* Aviation History Book
* Techstar Flight Computer
Please support your Email List Community AND pick up a really slick Gift at
the same time! The SSL Secure Contribution web site can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Once again, I would like to thank everyone that has so generously supported
the continued operation and upgrade of the Lists Services here on the
Matronics servers!!
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
Dear Listers,
Below are some of the nice things people have been saying about the Lists
in that little message box on the Contribution form! Thank you to everyone
that has made a Contribution thus far and for all the great
feedback! Please know that I really appreciate the comments and support!!
If you haven't yet shown your support for these Lists, won't you take a
moment and make your Contribution today? The Matronics Lists are always
Commercial-Free, SPAM-Free, Virus-Free, and High-performance and its your
direct support through this yearly Fund Raiser that enables all of these
valuable services you've come to expect.
Thank you for your Contribution!!
SSL Secure Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Matt Dralle
EMail List Administrator
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=================== What Listers Are Saying ====================
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You provide a service to us kit builders that cannot be measured.
-Clifford M.
...great service to the aviation community.
-Curt R.
Thanks for being there - your List has really been of help.
-Thomas R.
Your lists have been most helpful to my RV-9A project.
-Dean V.
...has been a great help to me.
-Jim N.
..."must-have" for RV builders and pilots.
-Douglas W.
I find something every day on the List that helps me in my project.
-Ron P.
...very valuable!
-Patrick L.
Don't know that I could have persevered and succeeded without the List.
-Curt R.
...service continues to be awesome and is one of the most helpful resources
for homebuilding that I have ever found.
-Jim H.
The information and hours of entertainment many of us derive from the Lists
is priceless.
-Chris R.
I learn a lot about my [aircraft] through the Lists...
- Lee P.
Great source of education and entertainment. Love it!!!
-Lar B.
Great List & very well organized.
-Peter D.
I couldn't build my [airplane] without this List.
-William G.
The List is an important part of my daily routine.
-Roger H.
...incredible resource.
-Ron P.
Excellent facility.
-David M.
...unmatched service to all builders and flyers.
-Ralph C.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] - Why Do I Have A Fund Raiser Each Year? |
Dear Listers,
I was thinking that perhaps I should explain why I have a Fund Raiser and
also take the opportunity to express why I think the List Services here
provide a far better experience than the commercial equivalents.
I use the List Fund Raiser each year to offset the costs involved with
running a high performance email list site such as this one. With the
annual support from the List members through the PBS-like Fund Raiser, I
have found I can run the entire site without having to inflect any of the
members with those annoying banner ads flashing up all the time trying to
sell Toner Cartridge Refills or other garbage nobody wants or needs. From
the comments I've received over the years regarding the Lists, the great
majority of the members really appreciate the non-commercialism of my List
systems and don't mind my 'go-team-go' banter once a year to encourage
members to support the Lists.
I believe that the Lists services that I provide here offer a great many
benefits over the commercial equivalents in a number of ways. The first
feature I believe to be particularly significant is that you *cannot*
receive a computer v*rus from any of my Lists directly. I've been on a few
other List servers and have been unfortunate enough to download infected
files people have innocently or not-so-innocently included with their
posts. This just can't happen with my Lists; each incoming message is
filtered and attachments stripped off prior to posting. I provide a Photo
and File Share feature that allows members to share files and bitmaps with
other members and everyone can be assured that these files will be
prescanned for any sort of v*rus before they are posted. Safe and
simple. Also, with this photo and file sharing technique, the Archives
don't get loaded up with a huge amounts of bitmap "data" that slows the
Archive Search times.
Another feature of this system is the extensive List Archives that are
available for download, browsing, and searching. The Archives go all the
way back to the very beginning of each List and with the super fast Search
Engine, the huge size of the Archives is a non-issue in quickly finding the
data you're looking for. Another feature of the Archives, in my opinion,
is that they have been primarily stripped of all the useless email header
data and all the other header garbage that seems to build up in a typical
email thread.
I have received an extremely positive response from Listers regarding the
List Browse feature and the consensus is that the format and ease of use is
outstanding. Members report that having the previous 7 days worth of
messages on line for easy browsing and sorting is hugely beneficial. And
again, as with the real time distribution of List email, the messages are
stripped of all the unnecessary email headers and potentially dangerous
v*ruses.
I've been running email Lists and services under the matronics.com domain
since about 1989 starting with RV-List and 30 guys who I knew and who where
also building RVs. It has grown into over 40 different aviation-related
Email Lists and an associated web site that receives over 10,000,000 hits
each year!! Additionally, the List email system forwards well over
90,000,000 (yes, that 90 MILLION) email messages to subscribers each
year! With all the dot.bombs these days, I think there's a lot of value in
supporting a service that has gone the long haul and is still providing and
improving a high quality service at a price that's nearly free.
I have to admit running these Lists is a labor of love and I hope it shows
in the quality of the experience that you receive when you get a List Email
Message, Search the Archives, or use the List Browser. The Lists will be
here for a long time to come. If you just want to lurk a while for free,
that's great and I encourage you to do so. If you use, appreciate, and
receive value from these Lists, then please support them during the Annual
List Fund Raiser!
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The SSL Secure Web Site:
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | What Listers Are Saying III |
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| From: | "Frank Friedman" <frankzip(at)charter.net> |
, ,
, ,
, ,
, ,
| Subject: | RV8 Tail Kit for sale |
Changed projects so RV 8 tail kit for sale. Very little work done. This is a pre
punched kit, however it was before the 4130 parts were powder coated. All 4130
parts were primered.
Included are preview plans, electric trim kit, 18 years of the RVaitor, Avery temporary
assembly pins, 2 construction videos. Vertical stabilizer tip is for
a rear position light. Cost for all of this now would be about $1775.
Buy it now for $1200. plus shipping before I put it on ebay. Bonus, free delivery
within 100 miles of Oshkosh.
Yep guys,I'm in OSH, 8-10 minutes to the airport, the downside, Jan temps, 17 days
below normal and 4-5 inches of snow last night.
Frank at 920-237-3536 or frankzip(at)charter.net
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
DNA: not not archive
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ] Virus Laden Spam Purports To Be From Matronics... |
Dear Listers,
First let me say that I normally don't condone the sharing of warnings
about Internet viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. I don't want to
start a storm of discussion regarding computer viruses on the Lists, so
please just note the information below and refrain from commenting to
the List. The circumstances I describe below are disturbing enough
that I felt an explanation is necessary. That being said...
There is a new email-bourne virus running rampant on the Internet that
is cleverly disguising itself as legitimate email warning of such
things as:
"your email account is disabled because of unauthorized access"
"Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail
content) outgoing from your e-mail account"
"Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In
order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions."
"Our main mailing server will be temporary unavailable for next two
days, to continue receiving mail in these days you have to
configure our free auto-forwarding service."
All of these messages include an attachment that you are instructed to
click upon to "Get more information", "clean the virus from your
system", or "check your system for infections".
These enclosures all contain a virus that will infect your system and
propagate even more copies of the original message.
The disturbing part of these messages is that they appear to be coming
from very legitimate addresses and have very legitimate, convincing
dialog. For example, I have received a number of them today that
appear to be from "support(at)matronics.com", "management(at)matronics.com",
"administration(at)matronics.com", and "staff(at)matronics.com".
The text of the messages seems believable enough, and given the forged
source address, seem even more legitimate.
Please be assured that no one at Matronics.com will be sending you
these kinds of messages. If you receive one, it is a spam/virus that
has forged headers and was sent to you from someone other than
Matronics. Delete the message and the attachment promptly. Invest in
a copy of Norton Antivirus and keep the definitions up dated on a daily
basis.
Again, I want to stress that I *DO NOT* want a big discussion of
viruses on the Matronics Email Lists. Please do not reply to this
email with any comments. You may write to me directly at
dralle(at)matronics.com if you wish, but do not include the List.
Since many of these appear to come from matronics.com, I wanted to
assure everyone that Matronics wasn't the real source of these messages.
Let's be careful out there and keep those virus definitions up to date!
Today alone, the Matronics spam filter and virus blocking appliance
has filtered out 11,550 spam messages and 375 viruses! That's just in
an 18 hour period!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Cory Emberson" <bootless(at)earthlink.net> |
| Subject: | Santa Maria CA Fly-in (April 30-May 2) |
Hello everyone!
With Matt Dralle's blessing (thank you, Matt!), I'm pleased to post this announcement
for a terrific aviation fly-in weekend. SMXgig (in Santa Maria, CA) has
become the year's largest face-to-face get-together of electronically networked
aviators. We hope you'll plan to attend because we expect this year's gig to
be the best ever.
People come from all over the country (and sometimes overseas) to attend, and most of the sessions qualify for FAA Wings cards. The dates are 4/30-5/2/04 (Friday-Sunday) - it's a lot of fun, and a great chance for pilots from all over to mingle and share aviation stories, ideas, etc. The announcement below contains most of the crucial information, and you can get the rest from the website (www.smxgig.org). If you have any questions at all, just let me know, and thanks!
~~Cory Emberson
KHWD
>>> NOTICE TO AIRMEN! <<<
Announcing the Sixteenth Annual SMXgig
to be held on April 30 - May 2, 2004
at the Radisson on the Santa Maria (CA) Airport (aka SMX)
www.smxgig.org
SMXgig will be April 30 - May 2, 2004, at the Santa Maria Radisson. This year,
our featured speaker after Friday night's dinner will be Rod Machado!
"MACH 2 WITH MACHADO" is the byline Rod Machado has earned for his rapid fire delivery
at his lively safety seminars and keynote speeches. His programs are information-packed,
energetic, and humorous. He has spoken in all fifty of the
United States and in Europe sharing his fresh approach to aviation education.
If you can make it, please do. It's going to be pretty special. More information and the announcement/ registration info is available at www.smxgig.org You may also contact me by email at: cory(at)smxgig.org.
All technical sessions will be held in the Enterprise Ballroom at the SMX Radisson.
Each session will last about an hour. We schedule four tech sessions on Saturday
morning, and four on Sunday morning. Most of the speakers are set (I'm
still firming up a couple of slots - I'm working on a session about Experimentals):
MIKE BUSCH - The Art and Science of Troubleshooting
Your A frequently, that person is you. That's particularly true of problems that
occur only in-flight and/or are intermittent. This session offers methodology
for troubleshooting aimed at aircraft owners who aren't A&Ps.
ED WILLIAMS - GPS - How It Works, and How to Work It
Ed is a nuclear physicist working at Lawrence Livermore Labs. Ed does a
remarkable job of making physics phun!
BRENT BLUE, M.D. - Pilot Medicals: How to Avoid Problems with the FAA
Brent is an AME Advocate, who specializes in helping the tough cases renew their
medicals. He's a former member of EAA's medical advisory committee.
DOUG RITTER - Equipping Yourself To Survive - Personal Survival Gear for Pilots
Doug is a survival evangelist, personally driven to help pilots live through whatever comes next. www.equipped.org
PAUL MILLNER - The Future of Avgas
Paul works with ChevronTexaco, and is right in the middle of the industry developments
regarding our fuel of choice.
MARY DUFFY & UWE LEMKE - Flying in Europe
Mary and Uwe are a Scot and a German who live in the San Francisco Bay Area, but
return "home" often.
As always, each qualifying session will get you a WINGS Safety Session card.
Our Saturday evening event should be a delicious one! At 5:45 p.m., the BFUB (Big Fat Ugly Bus) will arrive at the Santa Maria Radisson to bring us to the Far Western Tavern for dinner in beautiful Guadalupe (www.farwesterntavern.com).
DOLLARS AND CENTS
Just as in previous years, there will be one flat all-encompassing "gig" fee that
covers all events that involve significant out-of-pocket costs for the organizers.
The fee is $160 per person, and will cover:
- Friday afternoon welcome party
- Friday evening dinner banquet
- Saturday and Sunday tech sessions
- Saturday afternoon lunch
- Saturday evening dinner at the Far Western Tavern in Guadalupe
- Meeting rooms and coffee service at the Santa Maria Radisson
- Transportation to (and from) the Far Western Tavern
Lodging at the SMX Radisson will cost $89.00/night for either a single or double
room, which is far below the regular hotel room rate. Be sure you check in as
a SMXgig attendee and get the special rate. We have our definitive preference
listed with the hotel for rampside rooms - early registration can only help,
but of course, the rampside rooms are subject to availability depending on how
many existing guests are in those rooms.
You do not need to register with the hotel - just give me your preferences, and
I will take care of the reservations.
Important: This year, our final rooming lists are due to the hotel on April 11,
2004 (the even of Sun 'n Fun), which will guarantee space and the group rate.
The hotel will accept additional room reservations after that, on a space- and
rate-available basis. They will try their best to accommodate us after that
date, but the hotel is already sold out for the weekend.
The website (www.smxgig.org) has detailed information about the schedule, meals, hotel accommodations, and online registration. If you'd like your own announcement/registration emailed to you, or have any other questions, just let me know. (cory(at)smxgig.org or bootless(at)earthlink.net ).
Thanks, and see you there!
best, Cory Emberson
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| From: | "Tom Roberts" <tom.roberts(at)pioneermachinery.com> |
| Subject: | Re: Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/09/04 |
Please unsubscribe me.
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From: "Aviation-List Digest Server" <aviation-list-digest(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Aviation-List Digest: 0 Msgs - 05/09/04
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| From: | Russell Johnson <entec1(at)pld.com> |
| Subject: | You`ve got 1 VoiceMessage! |
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| From: | Land Shorter <landshorter2(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | New product announcement: affordable VG's |
cadet-list(at)matronics.com, cessna-list(at)matronics.com,
commander-list(at)matronics.com, cub-list(at)matronics.com,
czech-list(at)matronics.com, europa-list(at)matronics.com,
ez-list(at)matronics.com.1.00.SORTED_RECIPS.Recipient.list.is.sorted.by.address
Hey folks,
I double checked and Matt Dralle's earlier post says it's OK to post about new
aviation products as long as the message doesn't come off as having a "flavor"
of "traditional spam". Don't worry I'm not going to try to sell you anything
that supposedly makes any of your body parts larger (or smaller) and this product
is directly aviation related :) I'm just an airplane builder, owner, pilot,
and aviation nut who wants to tell you where you can find more information about
a great new product.
I've been selling kits of vortex generators (VG's) for only $95 and my customers are telling me they really like the performance gains they're seeing. VG's are great for reducing stall speeds and allow you to land slower, shorter, and safer. I invite you to check out my site at www.landshorter.com and see what you think. My VG's can be quickly installed for testing using removable double-stick tape and come with a 100% money-back guarantee so why not try them out on your plane? You'll be really glad you did :)
Thanks and let's keep 'em flying!
Joa Harrison
The VG Guy
www.landshorter.com
1-877-272-1414 (toll free)
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Lister Comments - Please Support The Lists |
Dear Listers,
Wow! People have been including some very nice comments along with their
Contributions lately! I've included another set of below and will send
another set in a couple of days.
Guys, I really appreciate your kind words and support. In the last few
days, the contributions have really started to come in and its looking like
support this year may slightly surpass last year's. There's still a few
days left in this year's Fund Raiser, so if you've been waiting until the
last minute to make your Contribution, now's the time!
Make Your Contribution Today: http://www.matronics.com/contribution
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
----------------- More of What Listers Are Saying... --------------------
Every morning 5:30 am, coffee and the "List". It's how I start my day.
Robert G.
The list is still my favorite aviation magazine.
Roger H.
Great resource, without the distraction of pop ups and ads!
Douglas D.
I look forward to my daily list reading almost as much as my coffee!
Hal K.
Great service!
Aaron G.
I have made some great friends, because of it!
Bob D.
Great resource!!
Richard S.
I learn something of value every time I read the messages.
Stan S.
Great list!
Thomas E.
Now that I am close to completion of my [homebuilt], I look back
and wonder how I could ever have made it this far without [the Lists].
Jeff O.
Outstanding site and administration.
Anthony S.
Great forum for our projects.
Darrel M.
I have become a List Addict!
George M.
A very helpful resource for me.
Dennis K.
Great for staying up on the latest.
Forrest L.
Valuable benefit for the users.
George A.
Great tool for all [builders].
Tony M.
Can't tell you how much I appreciate the archives.
Ken B.
I really enjoy the sharing of information and the "discussions" that come up.
Ross S.
[The List] reminds us home builders that help is just a few clicks away.
Danny W.
A great resource!
Christopher S.
Always a pleasure to support this list!
Richard W.
Thanks for helping all of us build better aircraft.
John P.
Great list(s)for data, info and making friends.
John S.
[The] List has helped me much with my building process.
Raimo T.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| From: | "Bob Black" <black(at)usa.sh> |
There's a newer model GPS for sale on ebay. The bids look pretty low.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4513914376>
&item=4513914376
Has anyone used one of these?
Bob Black
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| From: | dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle) |
| Subject: | [PLEASE READ NOW] - Addressing Upgrade At Matronics TONIGHT! |
Dear Listers,
Service Provider to upgrade to a larger IP subnet. I will be
re-addressing all of the machines on the network including the
Matronics Web Server and Matronics Email Server at that time. Name
Service will be updated at that time as well and most things should
work again pretty quick. There may be some bounced email for a few hours
or even a day or so as the new name-to-ip-address resolutions propagate
into the depths of the Internet.
If you have problems posting a message to one of the Lists or get a
bounced message back, please wait a couple of hours and try sending it
again. Generally, access to the web site should work within 1-hour of
Hopefully the transition will go smoothly and you'll hardly even
notice! :-)
Thanks for your patience!
Matt Dralle
List Administrator
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Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade... |
Dear Listers,
I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This includes
some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable processors -
as well as a complete operating system upgrade from scratch. I hope to
have both the old system and the new system running at the same time to
minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but a
few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show up
on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then please
just try posting it again.
Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
to it as often as you like:
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
possible!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | [Please Read] Matronics Email Server Upgrade Complete! |
Dear Listers,
The upgrade of the Matronics Email Server can be considered complete at
this time. All known issues related to the upgrade process have been
resolved and email services are running normal. The Nightly Digest
processing has not yet been tested and will wait for tonight's update.
If you encounter any odd behavior with respect to the Matronics Email
Server over the next few days, please contact me via email at
dralle(at)matronics.com or if that fails try dralle(at)speakeasy.net.
Thanks to everyone for being patient through this arduous process of a
major system upgrade!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
At 12:37 PM 4/16/2005 Saturday, Matt Dralle wrote:
>Dear Listers,
>
>I will be upgrading the Matronics Email Server this weekend. This
>includes some hardware improvements - more memory, faster, more capable
>processors - as well as a complete operating system upgrade from
>scratch. I hope to have both the old system and the new system running at
>the same time to minimize the actual impact of the upgrade.
>
>Hopefully there will be little actual downtime during the transition, but
>a few posts may get lost in the shuffle. If you don't see your post show
>up on the List in the normal amount of time (plus a little bit), then
>please just try posting it again.
>
>Upgrading the Matronics Email Server operating system (from Redhat Linux
>7.2 to Redhat Linux WS 4) is a sizeable undertaking and requires a great
>deal of work to port all of the utilities, programs, and scripts over to
>the new system. As I've already mentioned, both the old and new systems
>will be on line at the same time, so interruption should be held to an
>absolute minimal. You might see a couple of odd test messages during the
>cut-over or other odd messages; please just ignore them.
>
>I have setup a new System Status Web Page that I will use to update List
>Members on the current status of the email and web systems. Please refer
>to it as often as you like:
>
> http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
>
>
>Thank you for your continued support of the List Services at
>Matronics! Its your yearly Contributions that make these major upgrades
>possible!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Matt Dralle
>Matronics Email List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | A Bargain For You? |
| From: | srud0fc02(at)sneakemail.com |
Somebody Is Going To Get A Bargain!
Been wanting to build your own plane but short on dough? Here's your chance.
Selling Price $8,250.
Total purchase price invested $16,500.00
Skystar Vixen Aircraft Kit (Series V)
Aircraft Kit Serial # ADV-027
Tricycle gear, high wing, STOL performance, two (side-by-side) seating. Folding
wings allow towing and easy storage.
With purchased optional extras Quick Build Wings, Powder Coated Frame, 13 Gallon
Wing Tank Kit, Antenna Mount Plate and Tool Kit included at this price.
The Quick Build Wings feature (saves approximately 100 hours of construction time)
all done by Skystar factory personnel.
1) Wings built to the stage of Inserts being installed
2) Diagonal Braces installed
3) Ribs installed
4) Trailing Edge installed
5) Flaperon Hanger Doublers installed
6) Top False Ribs
The Powder Coated Frame is in the white stock color. Powder Coating eliminates
the difficult task of properly painting the fuselage of your Vixen. It offers
greatly increased durability, chemical resistance (a necessity in coastal regions
where salt can ravage) and more through and uniform application because the
powder coating is electronically bonded to the metal parts and then fused in
an oven.
Looking for the ultimate thrill and pride of accomplishment? Dream it, build it,
fly it!
Before making my purchase decision, I visited the Skystar facilities in Nampa,
Idaho as well as their major competitors. I flew a completed example of the Vixen
as well as a number of the competing aircraft. The superior responsiveness
and performance of the Vixen were noticeable when flown in a close time frame
comparison such as I experienced. Those experiences combined with the professionalism
and the thoroughness of the engineering, design and production of the
Vixen kit did it for me.
This kit was shipped to me in Jan 1994 and has been stored in a facility completely
sheltered from the elements. I am the original purchaser. The kit is "as
delivered" to me with all parts as originally shipped. No work whatsoever has
been done on this kit since it left the factory. It is exactly as the Skystar
factory in Nampa produced the kit.
The kit construction was never started due to a series of events that have culminated
in my now needing to sell. I have a deteriorating physical health condition
that makes it impossible for me to build the kit.
The complete kit is stored at my home here in the midwest USA which should make
for easy travel from just about anywhere in the country. The buyer must plan
on picking this kit up or having a shipper come in and ship it at buyer's expense.
No seller financing is available. I will accept a cashier's check, wire transfer
or good, ol' cash. First person here with the money gets the kit.
Looking for the perfect father /son project? Here's your opportunity.
Selling Price $8,250.
Looking forward to hearing from serious interested buyers. Please contact me directly
at the below email address or at the phone number.
Richard Young
Jamesport, Missouri
Phone: (660) 684-6226 (Central Time Zone) 1100 - 2200 best
Email: srud0fc02(at)sneakemail.com
Note:
My decision to sell this aircraft kit in no way reflects negatively on Skystar,
Kitfox, on any of their products or people. With my reluctant sale of this kit,
I do not desire to take any potential customer away from Skystar who may be
contemplating the purchase of a new aircraft. On the contrary I imagine that
the sale of my long-stored kit will lead to additional parts sales for the Skystar
product line as well as further word-of-mouth advertising from a satisfied
builder. It will be far better to have this aircraft-to-be up and flying and
producing enjoyment, than to be gathering dust in my garage.
I have always found the people at Skystar to be completely professional and quality
people in every way. My visits to the factory and the fly-ins have always
been wonderful and positive experiences. I have the greatest respect and admiration
for the Skystar organization and their product line. I will willingly
recommend them and their aircraft to anyone who will be looking for a kit to build.
That goes for now and after I have sold my kit. Skystar and Kitfox are the
best in the business and have my respect and admiration.
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| From: | srud0fc02(at)sneakemail.com |
Dear Fellow Aviator,
I apologize for this somewhat generic message, but if the internet wasn't so dang
effective and efficient I wouldn't have over a hundred queries to respond to
from a 1-3 day exposure on the Skystar factory website, Barnstormers.com ads
and the two Matronics Listservs that I utilized to get my bargain priced Vixen
kit out there for everyone to consider.
So please excuse the anonymity of this response. I truly wish that I had the time
to write each of you who asked for more information on an individual basis,
but I really don't. And I don't want to slight anyone by not responding.
First of all, the Skystar Vixen Aircraft Kit (Series V) Serial # ADV-027 has been
sold. That is, I have accepted a deposit to hold it and the buyer is now making
arrangements to pick it up here in Missouri. As I have told several of you
who called, should anything happen to that transaction, I will get back in touch
with you as I am keeping your contact information until the deal is all done.
Secondly, I was amazed at how many of you were hoping this was a taildragger (or
could be converted to one). The good folks at Skystar say that the Model V was
configured to be one or the other and my Vixen was destined to keep it's a
_ _ up in the air forever.
Thanks to those of you, who even though you already had your kit, or mine wasn't
just right for you, showed what a class act the aviation community is with your
helpful suggestions.
Thank you again for your interest.
Blue skies and lotsa great flying to you,
Rich Young (who is on his way to Panama)
P.S. One of the exciting side-benefits of my having posted my email address at
these various sites has been the rather substantial and numerous offers I am receiving
to help expatriate large sums of money from government restricted bank
accounts for which I am assured that I will be handsomely rewarded for having
helped these poor unfortunate African widows. Not to mention all the other wonderful
opportunities to have various body parts enlarged or strengthened.
Almost too much for this country boy. Ain't the internet something?
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | List Digest Truncation Fixed!! |
Dear Listers,
I finally figured out today what was causing the occasional
truncation of the daily List Digest emails. Seems that every once in
a while a message would contain a single "." (period) on line all by
itself. The mailers would see this and assume that this was the
universal emailer signal for "end of message", and consequently
wouldn't process any of the rest of the Digest message.
I've put in a filter today to remove any of these sequences so we
should be back in business on the Digests.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Bill Smith <ocleju(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki |
Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki
If you are interested in alternative engines for
experimental aircraft you are invited to
join the flyGeo_uncensored group and learn about the
fantastic Geo/Suzuki engines used in
aircraft.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
Both bolt on gearbox and cog belt redrives and all
other aircraft
conversion parts are available for very reasonable
cost. Turbo
versions are available also. Gearbox type redrives for
around US$1750-
The Geo/Suzuki engine uses about half the fuel that
the two stroke
engines use.
The 1.3 litre four cylinder Suzuki engine beats the
Rotax 912 in
power and weight, again both gearbox and belt type
redrives are
available.
The Geo/Suzuki one litre engine weighs a little more
than a Rotax
582, it produces 62 HP normally aspirated but with a
better, flatter
torque curve.
All those advantages plus flying engines with the
hours up to prove
them and last but not lease, far, far cheaper than a
Rotax two or four stroke engine.
One person on the group has over 1000 hours on one
installation.
FlyGeo_uncensored is a very active and helpful group
that is also a fun group and is not
doubt one of the fastest growing aircraft alternative
engine groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
The FlyGeo_uncensored Management
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| From: | Bill Smith <ocleju(at)yahoo.com> |
| Subject: | Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki |
Alternative Engines - Geo/Suzuki
If you are interested in alternative engines for
experimental aircraft you are invited to
join the flyGeo_uncensored group and learn about the
fantastic Geo/Suzuki engines used in
aircraft.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
Both bolt on gearbox and cog belt redrives and all
other aircraft
conversion parts are available for very reasonable
cost. Turbo
versions are available also. Gearbox type redrives for
around US$1750-
The Geo/Suzuki engine uses about half the fuel that
the two stroke
engines use.
The 1.3 litre four cylinder Suzuki engine beats the
Rotax 912 in
power and weight, again both gearbox and belt type
redrives are
available.
The Geo/Suzuki one litre engine weighs a little more
than a Rotax
582, it produces 62 HP normally aspirated but with a
better, flatter
torque curve.
All those advantages plus flying engines with the
hours up to prove
them and last but not lease, far, far cheaper than a
Rotax two or four stroke engine.
One person on the group has over 1000 hours on one
installation.
FlyGeo_uncensored is a very active and helpful group
that is also a fun group and is not
doubt one of the fastest growing aircraft alternative
engine groups.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlyGeo_uncensored
The FlyGeo_uncensored Management
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Rick Tomlinson <rtom001(at)yahoo.com> |
Hello, looking for advice on used aircraft selection. I would like to start flying
again and want to buy my own plane but I havent decided which one would best
suit my needs. My first considerations are:
The price, I need to stay around $20,000 more or less
A good safety record
Economical to own and operate, about 5gph or so
Suitable for aerial photography
Suitable for an occasional cross county trip
If my budget were not so limited I would also add:
Baggage capacity about 150lbs
A setup for rough field use
A reasonable cruise speed
A Glastar would be great but I only have a Cessna 150 budget.
However I have limited knowledge of what might be available and would appreciate
any input from this group.
Thanks, Rick
---------------------------------
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| From: | Marvin Dupree <97corvette(at)cox.net> |
| Subject: | Re: advice needed |
if you are looking for a 2 place plane, i recommend you look at the
mustang II. it's an all metal, homebuilt that carries 2 and
baggage. i have seen a couple for sale around $25,000 in trade-a-
plane. they had a lycoming 0-320 that you can get fuel burn down to
about 6.5 or 7 gph while getting over 150 mph cruise. they have an
excellent safety record.
good luck in your quest, hope you find the perfect airplane.
marv
On Aug 10, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Rick Tomlinson wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello, looking for advice on used aircraft selection. I would like
> to start flying again and want to buy my own plane but I havent
> decided which one would best suit my needs. My first considerations
> are:
>
> The price, I need to stay around $20,000 more or less
>
> A good safety record
>
> Economical to own and operate, about 5gph or so
>
> Suitable for aerial photography
>
> Suitable for an occasional cross county trip
>
>
> If my budget were not so limited I would also add:
>
> Baggage capacity about 150lbs
>
> A setup for rough field use
>
> A reasonable cruise speed
>
>
> A Glastar would be great but I only have a Cessna 150 budget.
>
> However I have limited knowledge of what might be available and
> would appreciate any input from this group.
>
>
> Thanks, Rick
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | Matronics Web Server Upgrade Today Tuesday 09/06/05 5pm |
PDT
Dear Listers,
I will be taking the Matronics Web Server down for a few hours today,
Tuesday September 6 2005 for a chassis upgrade. Archive browsing and
searching along with subscription services will be unavailable for
be processed normally during the upgrade. Please check the Matronics
System Status Page for updates (although this page resides on the web
server and won't be available during the upgrade):
http://www.matronics.com/SystemStatus/
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Shasta <shastafly(at)gmail.com> |
| Subject: | will work for flight(s) |
To All / Any,
I am just a simple girl from the East Coast who likes to go flying, and
will be in San Mateo at the end of November (Thanksgiving to December)
Does anyone know of a good place to fly from for a visiting enthusiast?
Or a good person to fly with?
I'm "mechanically inclined" & will work for flight(s)
The last time I was in CA, I got to fly in a T-34 !!!
Respectfully,
"*Shasta*"
*"We are all islands in a common sea"
--* Anne Morrow Lindbergh
http://www.geocities.com/shasta_fly/
________________________________________________________________________________
| From: | Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com> |
| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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