> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mike_tailwind(at)att.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am
getting
> > ready
> > > start gluing wings together.
> > >
> > > I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to
sheet
> > their
> > > wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West
> system
> > for
> > > general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy
to
> > both
> > > pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
> > What
> > > thickening agent(filler) do you use?
> > >
> > > I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick
with
> > (no
> > > pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never
> used
> > > West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your experiences.
> > >
> > > Mike Wilson
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
mike_tailwind(at)att.net
Subject:
Re: Epoxy Questions
Date:
Apr 17, 2003
Thanks for all of the answers. I went out yesterday and bought a gallon kit
of the West resin and 206 slow hardner and 406 (coloidal silica) filler. I
know that I am going to use the West epoxy to sheet the wings and attach glass
cloth. I went ahead and made some test samples of T-88 and West neat, West
primed neat and then with filler (two step) and West with filler (one step).
My bet is that it won't make any difference and each sample will tear wood. I
will let you know if there are any surprises.
Since I have both, I will probably use T-88 for small batches and general
gluing and definitiely West for sheeting and glassing.
Thanks,
Mike Wilson
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
IslPilot(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 17, 2003
Subject:
Re: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
Mike:
Another hint that I can give you when working with large areas of plywood
with West is that you want the wood warmer than the resin to avoid bubbles
and pinholes in your surface. If the resin is warmer than the wood it will
cause the air in the grain of the wood to expand and bubble to the surface of
the resin resulting in little pinholes that might result in more labor
sanding and filling.....possibly resulting in a less than perfect speedy
Tailwind......can't have that!....I use heat lamps to warm the wood before I
apply the resin. It doesn't take very much heat, just warmer than the resin
which should be at "room temp". Rolling the resin on works well but just
pouring a blob on from a cup and working it out with a soft squeegee such as
used for Bondo works much faster and results in less air entrapment if your
laying your glass cloth.....After you have the surface coated and are having
your congratulatory coffee or beer check the surface for bubbles and very
gently brush them to reduce your finish work later for at least the next
hour........Let the resin set up if over cloth and then apply another coat of
resin before it is completely cured..... this will fill the weave entirely
resulting in less filling and take care of any amine blush bonding
problems....Don't worry about putting it on heavy, you can sand and fair it
easily.....like I said earlier the West sands easily but make sure to remove
the "blush residue" which is "waxy" with some warm water and ammonia before
sanding.... then your sanding will be trouble free and fast....
You said you bought 206 Hardener instead of the 205 which is great for laying
the glass but you probably don't need the extra time for any other type of
work unless your in a above 80 deg F shop environment.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 18, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Epoxy
Mike: I bought a second gallon of West resin and a cans of 205 and 205 hardener.
Already used one gallon and have yet to sheet the top surfaces of the wins.
Also bought a kit of West G5 repair epoxy that sets hard in 3 minutes. I can hold
things in place that long although it is not structural I can make fixtures,
lines holes and other jobs. The variety of set times I have by having all of
the hardeners gives me more flexibility when doing various gluing tasks.
The pumps are OK for large jobs, but I got two 10 cc plastic graduated syringes.
Using a 5:1 mix ratio with 205 hardener, I can mix as little as 6cc of epoxy
for small jobs.
Eric - in Michigan
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Ted Leon" <leondo(at)bigfoot.com>
Subject:
old news?
Date:
Apr 20, 2003
I just stumbled across this tragedy.
Is this old news or did it just happen last january, 03?
Any news about the cause?
Forgive me if this has already been discussed.
Ted
West Virginia ground team
locates pilot, missing 'Tailwind'
2nd Lt. Jeffery Schrock
Public Affairs Officer
Clarksburg Composite Squadron
West Virginia Wing
WEST VIRGINIA - Ground Team members from the West Virginia Wing scored a
find when they located the crash site of a missing experimental aircraft
Jan. 27.
The pilot and aircraft, a home-built DN-1 Whitman Tailwind, was found at
about 3:30 p.m. after nearly five days of searching.
According to officials, the pilot had departed Allaire Airport in Belmar,
N.J., and was destined for Mason County Airport in Point Pleasant, W.V. It
went down at about 3:30 p.m. on Jan. 23.
The aircraft was found in heavy ground cover on an embankment beneath some
trees near Route 310 in Marion-Taylor County, W.V. Taylor County Assistant
Coroner Brad Twigg was at the scene and pronounced the pilot dead.
Lt. Col. Rodney Moore of the Clarksburg Composite Squadron served as
incident commander. He stated that both radar data and reports of local
citizens helped in narrowing down the search area. Moore expressed his
appreciation to the local fire departments, law enforcement agencies and the
TRASAR Search and Rescue Team for their assistance.
The wing's search effort involved a total of five aircraft, 35 sorties, 10
ground teams and more than 120 people.
Capt. Carol Martin, director of the wing's emergency services, expressed
appreciation to all members who "dedicated many hours under extreme
conditions."
The National Transportation Safety Board was investigating the cause of the
crash.
________________________________________________________________________________
Is anyone using a hand-held radio for communications? If so, where did you mount
the antenna and how successful is it?
Thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
Bill,
I used a hand held for years in my Aeronca Chief which has similar fuselage
construction to my Tailwind. I mounted a standard aircraft whip antenna to
the belly of the airplane on the sheet metal cowl between the landing gear
legs and ran a coax cable to the radio that I affixed to the panel with
Velcro. The antenna needs to have at least a 1 square foot metal base for a
ground plane for best performance transmitting, hence the mounting to the
metal cowl. With the plug adapters I could plug in my headset and push to
talk switch and everything worked great.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
>
> Is anyone using a hand-held radio for communications? If so, where did you
mount the antenna and how successful is it?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 20, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: old news?
Ted: That is old news, Jan 2001. They say he ran out of fuel. See: http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=20010207X00415&key=1
I just stumbled across this tragedy.
Is this old news or did it just happen last january, 03?
Any news about the cause?
Forgive me if this has already been discussed.
Ted
West Virginia ground team
locates pilot, missing 'Tailwind'
2nd Lt. Jeffery Schrock
Public Affairs Officer
Clarksburg Composite Squadron
West Virginia Wing
WEST VIRGINIA - Ground Team members from the West Virginia Wing scored a
find when they located the crash site of a missing experimental aircraft
Jan. 27.
The pilot and aircraft, a home-built DN-1 Whitman Tailwind, was found at
about 3:30 p.m. after nearly five days of searching.
According to officials, the pilot had departed Allaire Airport in Belmar,
N.J., and was destined for Mason County Airport in Point Pleasant, W.V. It
went down at about 3:30 p.m. on Jan. 23.
The aircraft was found in heavy ground cover on an embankment beneath some
trees near Route 310 in Marion-Taylor County, W.V. Taylor County Assistant
Coroner Brad Twigg was at the scene and pronounced the pilot dead.
Lt. Col. Rodney Moore of the Clarksburg Composite Squadron served as
incident commander. He stated that both radar data and reports of local
citizens helped in narrowing down the search area. Moore expressed his
appreciation to the local fire departments, law enforcement agencies and the
TRASAR Search and Rescue Team for their assistance.
The wing's search effort involved a total of five aircraft, 35 sorties, 10
ground teams and more than 120 people.
Capt. Carol Martin, director of the wing's emergency services, expressed
appreciation to all members who "dedicated many hours under extreme
conditions."
The National Transportation Safety Board was investigating the cause of the
crash.
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 20, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
I have used a handheld with regular aircraft antenna on the roof for many years
in Tailwinds. Great transmit and reception. Both King and Icom. George..Phoenix
robert Matteson wrote:--> Tailwind-List message posted
by: "robert Matteson"
Bill,
I used a hand held for years in my Aeronca Chief which has similar fuselage
construction to my Tailwind. I mounted a standard aircraft whip antenna to
the belly of the airplane on the sheet metal cowl between the landing gear
legs and ran a coax cable to the radio that I affixed to the panel with
Velcro. The antenna needs to have at least a 1 square foot metal base for a
ground plane for best performance transmitting, hence the mounting to the
metal cowl. With the plug adapters I could plug in my headset and push to
talk switch and everything worked great.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard"
Subject: Tailwind-List: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
>
> Is anyone using a hand-held radio for communications? If so, where did you
mount the antenna and how successful is it?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Bill
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks to all for the info. Looks like I've got to find a place for an external
antenna.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
Date:
Apr 21, 2003
Bill
I use a handheld for my secondary radio (com 2). It is very handy for ATIS,
etc., but is wired in so that I can use it as primary by switching one
switch. I use a Microair as primary radio and it works great. The antenna
for the handheld is external, and is mounted at the back side of the bottom
of the firewall and extends backwards under the belly--the boot cowl acts as
groundplane. It is possible that the landing gear may affect this antenna
some, but I haven't noticed it. It might be better to locate further back
if on the bottom to get away from the landing gear. My transponder antenna
is on the bottom at the baggage area location, but it is only 3" long too.
My main antenna for the Microair is on top at the back baggage area station,
and I have a small aluminum plate there for groundplane. Both antenna
locations seem to work well. I have heard that using the rubber ducky
antenna on a handheld is not very good--go with an external antenna.
By the way, that same handheld is the primary radio for my Pitts
(experimental S1S), with external antenna on the bottom just ahead of the
seat. Again, works well.
Dave
N202Q (still waiting for engine)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bob Rogers" <tailwindbr(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Re: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
Date:
Apr 21, 2003
When I got my info pack from Jim Clement there was a drawing about how to make
an antenna inside the wing using coax cable. Jim....Does this work well? At
least this way there wouldn't be an antenna hanging out in the breeze.
Bob
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
Date:
Apr 21, 2003
It works well to the front and rear but gets marginal off the wingtips.
There may be other hidden antennas that will work better. Mounting a com
antenna on the aluminum belly panel may be the best. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rogers" <tailwindbr(at)charter.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Hand-Held Radio Antenna
>
> When I got my info pack from Jim Clement there was a drawing about how to
make an antenna inside the wing using coax cable. Jim....Does this work
well? At least this way there wouldn't be an antenna hanging out in the
breeze.
>
> Bob
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 22, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Big X
If anyone saved the pics and specs of Big X that were once posted on Bob
Rudolph's site would you please e-mail them to me. Thanks for your help!
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Subject:
Re: Big X
Date:
Apr 22, 2003
I would like to see them too!
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Big X
>
> If anyone saved the pics and specs of Big X that were once posted on Bob
> Rudolph's site would you please e-mail them to me. Thanks for your help!
>
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Date:
Apr 23, 2003
Subject:
Re: Big X
In a message dated 4/22/03 6:02:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net writes:
If anyone saved the pics and specs of Big X that were once posted on Bob
Rudolph's site would you please e-mail them to me. Thanks for your help!
Rick
N241SW >>
Here ya go :
"BIG X" SPECIFICATIONS 4-PLACE TAILWIND FROM 1965
Wingspan Approx.29ft.
Length, Approx. 24 ft. 10 in.
Fuel capacity 36 gals.
Engine-Franklin ' , 335 6A4-150-B3
Propeller McCau'iey klip tip fixed pitch
Baggage capacity, , , , 100 Ibs.
Maximum (red line) speed 165 mph
Cruising speed, , Approx. 140 mph,
corrected at 5,000 ft.
Cabin width, , , , , 40 in.
Cabin height, ... 48 in.
Panel to back of seat, . 58 in.
Cabin length seat back to firewall ....47 in.
By Bill Lewis, EAA 3199 3817-23rd St., Lubbock 10, Texas
ON A COLD blustery afternoon, May 27, 1961, the Wittman W .D., commonly
known as the "Big X" easedin for a landing at the Newton, Kans. airport, and
I accepted the delivery of my first experimental airplane.
Frank Under, the previous owner, had flown this ship in from Delavan, Wis.
Frank and I had been corresponding over a year and today was the big
inspection and final okay on the trade. I found everything to be just as
Frank had said through our telephone conversations and many letters. The
paper work was completed, the money changed hands and there I was, broke, a
little scared, but eager to find out about those so"called "homebuilt"
airplanes.
Early the next morning I topped off the gas, checked the oil and slipped
in on the left side; fastened the safety belt and made my first close check
of the instrument panel. The panel was adequate but lacked a few goodies I
would add later.
I found the doors of this airplane quite large, makin" it very easy to
get into. The cabin is very roomy with plenty of shoulder and hip room. The
Wittman-type wind- shield had been brought backward over the top of the
fuselage to about even with the pilot's head, giving good visibility upward,
and in a turn in the pattern from down onto base leg you get a clear
unobstructed view of the runway. This is a real comfort. I received some
good ground instruction from Mr. Linder in reference to the "touchy" toe and
combina- tion heel brakes of the "X" which bugged me a little. However,
after a few taxi runs this smoothed out okay. The left seat had to be
completely forward for me to reach the rudder pedals comfortably. There is
plenty of leg room for six footers-re: SteveWittman.
On my taxi out the inverted Wittman U control felt extremely odd,
however, Frank had said to just relax and fly the plane as if it had a
conventional stick control and forget the odd shape of the inverted u. On
the final run-up I found the Franklin to be very smooth. Everything checked
and re-checked; I opened the throttle and taxied to the center of the runway,
pointed the nose down the center line and eased open the throttle on the 150
Franklin. Well-l-l, right about here is where things began to happen.
Acceleration was quite fast, the tail came up very quickly and the center
line of the runway disappeared. The well known torque was making a bid for
control of the airplane. With a slight pressure of toe brake, as the rudder
is weak at this point, the center line; was back in its place. At about 65
mph I eased the stick back and we were airborne. Right at this point I
remember thinking, "Man, this is no Culver Cadet." A very few seconds later
the air speed was indicating 110 mph at about 1,000 fpm; rpm was 2,650, with
30 in. mercury. I eased the throttle back to 2,550 rpm and the mercury gauge
25 in. and held a steady climb out at 100 mph; circled the field and leveled
out at 5,0OO ft. i adjusted the stabilizer to fly hands off with about 2,400
rpm at 22 in. mercury. The air speed was indicating slightly over 125 mph,
which was slow as I discovered later. I pointed the nose in the general
direction of Texas. The trip to Lubbock was made with two practice landings.
I find the "X" flies a lot like a Piper Pacer. It is faster in the air and on
the take-off run. At the same time there is no lunch p'eriod on this take-off
run or the roll-out in landing.
The "X" responds well with slight movement of the controls. I found with the
small ailerons it still has good roll action even in a stall at 50 mph with
power. With pow- er off stalls occur at about 55 mph; release back pressure
and the airplane is flying again when the nose reaches the horizon. In the
stall there is no tendency to fall off on either wing.
In my 30 years of flying I have flown everything from OX-5 Waco 10 to the
present day modern aircraft. I enjoyed flying them all, but the "Big X" just
about meets all specifications for cross-country and general
sport flying.
BACKGROUND:
The Wittman W.D. was built in 1945 by S. J. Wittman of Oshkosh, Wis. The
first engine installed was a Franklin 130 hp, and the first test flight was
flown by Mr. Wittman January 1, 1945 for a duration of five min-
utes. On March 6, 1950 the 150 Franklin was installed and has to the present
accumulated over 1,228 hrs., the major portion being cross-country.
The "Big X" looks similar to the Tailwind; however, they are completely
different planes. The "X" is a four- place. Airfoil used was a NACA 2412
thinned down to a 2410 or 2411. The "X" was built for a fast cross-country
airplane and in testing pulls a load of 3.8 G's with full gross load. This
plane was built with commercial production in mind and had the first steel
flex gear that was ever used on this type aircraft. The
Cessna aircraft purchased the rights to use this steel flex gear on all
Cessna air- craft, and as a result Mr. Wittman shelved the plans for
commercial production. There is only one "Big X," and I am the proud owner of
it.
CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS:
The "Big X" has had more changes in the past few months than a strip gal
from Las Vegas, rather something new has been added rather than taken off. A
completely new instrument panel; primary group, plus artificial horizon; dual
head temps; master switch, shielded spark plugs and harness; radio~VHF both
ways and low freq-omni. Lear LR5/RT-10; new fiberglas nose cowl; muffs and
heat shrouds, exhaust extensions, oil
cooler, Scott tail wheel, 8 in; refinished complete with Stearman vermilion,
with gold speed dash on side for stripe plus one on vertical fin; changed N
numbers from wings to fuselage; they are black.
It was a ~reat disappointment when for business reasons I could not
attend the 1962 Fly-In. I naturally wanted to shqw off the "Big X," and also
to' participate in the wonderful work that EAA is doing. My interest and
desire to fly and own a homebuilt has been sparked by the splendid EAA
organization that keeps sport flying so much alive.
Subj: [TailwindForum] Big X
Date: 1/31/03 9:58:33 AM Central Standard Time
From: garywood_ts(at)yahoo.com (garywood_ts <garywood_ts(at)yahoo.com>)
Where is the 4 place that Steve built? All I could find was that it was
restored in 1980. Is anybody thinking of building another one?
Gary
From: cgalley(at)mchsi.com (Cy Galley)
Had an in-flight fire killing the owner and all aboard.
From: jimstanton55(at)hotmail.com (jrs14855 <jimstanton55(at)hotmail.com>)
The NTSB report says that the exhaust pipes set the fabric on fire. The hose
from gas tank to carb was probably a low pressure hose with standard hose
clamps. There was no gascolator. People who for now will remain nameless
believe that the person in the right seat got their foot on the fuel hose and
pulled it loose. Best to use a high pressure hose in this location, it is not
likely to be pulled loose. I last saw the Big X at Blakesburg. The cabin on
this airplane was huge.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 23, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject:
Re: Big X
THANK YOU so much!!
Rick
W10 N393RC
O-O II N241SW
Rcaprd(at)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/22/03 6:02:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
> rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net writes:
>
>
> If anyone saved the pics and specs of Big X that were once posted on Bob
> Rudolph's site would you please e-mail them to me. Thanks for your help!
>
> Rick
> N241SW >>
>
> Here ya go :
>
> "BIG X" SPECIFICATIONS 4-PLACE TAILWIND FROM 1965
> Wingspan Approx.29ft.
> Length, Approx. 24 ft. 10 in.
> Fuel capacity 36 gals.
> Engine-Franklin ' , 335 6A4-150-B3
> Propeller McCau'iey klip tip fixed pitch
> Baggage capacity, , , , 100 Ibs.
> Maximum (red line) speed 165 mph
> Cruising speed, , Approx. 140 mph,
> corrected at 5,000 ft.
> Cabin width, , , , , 40 in.
> Cabin height, ... 48 in.
> Panel to back of seat, . 58 in.
> Cabin length seat back to firewall ....47 in.
> By Bill Lewis, EAA 3199 3817-23rd St., Lubbock 10, Texas
> ON A COLD blustery afternoon, May 27, 1961, the Wittman W .D., commonly
> known as the "Big X" easedin for a landing at the Newton, Kans. airport, and
> I accepted the delivery of my first experimental airplane.
> Frank Under, the previous owner, had flown this ship in from Delavan, Wis.
> Frank and I had been corresponding over a year and today was the big
> inspection and final okay on the trade. I found everything to be just as
> Frank had said through our telephone conversations and many letters. The
> paper work was completed, the money changed hands and there I was, broke, a
> little scared, but eager to find out about those so"called "homebuilt"
> airplanes.
> Early the next morning I topped off the gas, checked the oil and slipped
> in on the left side; fastened the safety belt and made my first close check
> of the instrument panel. The panel was adequate but lacked a few goodies I
> would add later.
> I found the doors of this airplane quite large, makin" it very easy to
> get into. The cabin is very roomy with plenty of shoulder and hip room. The
> Wittman-type wind- shield had been brought backward over the top of the
> fuselage to about even with the pilot's head, giving good visibility upward,
> and in a turn in the pattern from down onto base leg you get a clear
> unobstructed view of the runway. This is a real comfort. I received some
> good ground instruction from Mr. Linder in reference to the "touchy" toe and
> combina- tion heel brakes of the "X" which bugged me a little. However,
> after a few taxi runs this smoothed out okay. The left seat had to be
> completely forward for me to reach the rudder pedals comfortably. There is
> plenty of leg room for six footers-re: SteveWittman.
> On my taxi out the inverted Wittman U control felt extremely odd,
> however, Frank had said to just relax and fly the plane as if it had a
> conventional stick control and forget the odd shape of the inverted u. On
> the final run-up I found the Franklin to be very smooth. Everything checked
> and re-checked; I opened the throttle and taxied to the center of the runway,
> pointed the nose down the center line and eased open the throttle on the 150
> Franklin. Well-l-l, right about here is where things began to happen.
> Acceleration was quite fast, the tail came up very quickly and the center
> line of the runway disappeared. The well known torque was making a bid for
> control of the airplane. With a slight pressure of toe brake, as the rudder
> is weak at this point, the center line; was back in its place. At about 65
> mph I eased the stick back and we were airborne. Right at this point I
> remember thinking, "Man, this is no Culver Cadet." A very few seconds later
> the air speed was indicating 110 mph at about 1,000 fpm; rpm was 2,650, with
> 30 in. mercury. I eased the throttle back to 2,550 rpm and the mercury gauge
> 25 in. and held a steady climb out at 100 mph; circled the field and leveled
> out at 5,0OO ft. i adjusted the stabilizer to fly hands off with about 2,400
> rpm at 22 in. mercury. The air speed was indicating slightly over 125 mph,
> which was slow as I discovered later. I pointed the nose in the general
> direction of Texas. The trip to Lubbock was made with two practice landings.
> I find the "X" flies a lot like a Piper Pacer. It is faster in the air and on
> the take-off run. At the same time there is no lunch p'eriod on this take-off
> run or the roll-out in landing.
> The "X" responds well with slight movement of the controls. I found with the
> small ailerons it still has good roll action even in a stall at 50 mph with
> power. With pow- er off stalls occur at about 55 mph; release back pressure
> and the airplane is flying again when the nose reaches the horizon. In the
> stall there is no tendency to fall off on either wing.
> In my 30 years of flying I have flown everything from OX-5 Waco 10 to the
> present day modern aircraft. I enjoyed flying them all, but the "Big X" just
> about meets all specifications for cross-country and general
> sport flying.
> BACKGROUND:
> The Wittman W.D. was built in 1945 by S. J. Wittman of Oshkosh, Wis. The
> first engine installed was a Franklin 130 hp, and the first test flight was
> flown by Mr. Wittman January 1, 1945 for a duration of five min-
> utes. On March 6, 1950 the 150 Franklin was installed and has to the present
> accumulated over 1,228 hrs., the major portion being cross-country.
> The "Big X" looks similar to the Tailwind; however, they are completely
> different planes. The "X" is a four- place. Airfoil used was a NACA 2412
> thinned down to a 2410 or 2411. The "X" was built for a fast cross-country
> airplane and in testing pulls a load of 3.8 G's with full gross load. This
> plane was built with commercial production in mind and had the first steel
> flex gear that was ever used on this type aircraft. The
> Cessna aircraft purchased the rights to use this steel flex gear on all
> Cessna air- craft, and as a result Mr. Wittman shelved the plans for
> commercial production. There is only one "Big X," and I am the proud owner of
> it.
> CHANGES AND IMPROVEMENTS:
> The "Big X" has had more changes in the past few months than a strip gal
> from Las Vegas, rather something new has been added rather than taken off. A
> completely new instrument panel; primary group, plus artificial horizon; dual
> head temps; master switch, shielded spark plugs and harness; radio~VHF both
> ways and low freq-omni. Lear LR5/RT-10; new fiberglas nose cowl; muffs and
> heat shrouds, exhaust extensions, oil
> cooler, Scott tail wheel, 8 in; refinished complete with Stearman vermilion,
> with gold speed dash on side for stripe plus one on vertical fin; changed N
> numbers from wings to fuselage; they are black.
> It was a ~reat disappointment when for business reasons I could not
> attend the 1962 Fly-In. I naturally wanted to shqw off the "Big X," and also
> to' participate in the wonderful work that EAA is doing. My interest and
> desire to fly and own a homebuilt has been sparked by the splendid EAA
> organization that keeps sport flying so much alive.
>
> Subj: [TailwindForum] Big X
> Date: 1/31/03 9:58:33 AM Central Standard Time
> From: garywood_ts(at)yahoo.com (garywood_ts <garywood_ts(at)yahoo.com>)
> Where is the 4 place that Steve built? All I could find was that it was
> restored in 1980. Is anybody thinking of building another one?
> Gary
>
> From: cgalley(at)mchsi.com (Cy Galley)
> Had an in-flight fire killing the owner and all aboard.
>
> From: jimstanton55(at)hotmail.com (jrs14855 <jimstanton55(at)hotmail.com>)
> The NTSB report says that the exhaust pipes set the fabric on fire. The hose
> from gas tank to carb was probably a low pressure hose with standard hose
> clamps. There was no gascolator. People who for now will remain nameless
> believe that the person in the right seat got their foot on the fuel hose and
> pulled it loose. Best to use a high pressure hose in this location, it is not
> likely to be pulled loose. I last saw the Big X at Blakesburg. The cabin on
> this airplane was huge.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I talked to Jim at RST Engineering about whether their antenna for composite aircraft
would work with a wood wing. He said he wouldn't venture a guess unless
he could see the plans and see how much metal is where. He doesn't want to
make anybody mad with what may be the wrong answer. Has anyone tried this? I've
built RST's base station antenna and it's simple enough and works just fine.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 25, 2003
From:
Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
EAA Enews
TailwindForum
Thanks Jim C., Rick C.and Jerry H. for all your
efforts to promote the Tailwind!
TAILWIND GROUP TO CELEBRATE AIRCRAFT'S 50TH
ANNIVERSARY AT EAA
AIRVENTURE ---
The year was 1953, the Experimental Aircraft
Association's first, and
founder Paul Poberezny was outside the hangar at
Curtiss-Wright Airport,
Milwaukee, talking with Steve Wittman. Soon the
discussion turned to
picking a more suitable name for Wittman's
two-year-old airplane design.
"He called it the Flying Carpet," Paul recalls. "I
said, 'Well, it's
fast,' and Steve said, "Maybe like a tail wind?' Now
that, I told him,
would be the proper name for the airplane." Fifty
years later, the
Tailwind Group, an Internet-formed group of owners,
will celebrate the
airplane's 50th birthday at-where else-EAA AirVenture
Oshkosh.
http://www.airventure.org/2003/news/tailwind.html
.................................................................
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
http://search.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 28, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Big X
Hey RJ: Rcv'd info on Big X today, thank you very much!
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
Praise be, our 50th anniversary of the Tailwind announcement made the
Sport Aviation magazine this month. I think we've done just about
everything we can to get the word out to Tailwind drivers, and everybody
else for that matter.
Congrats to Bob Danner for a great pic of his new tri gear in "What Our
Members Are Building and Restoring". Just wish he'd told the world just
how fast it is!
I spoke with Joe Schumacher of EAA yesterday, our plans for the 50th are
about as firm as they're gonna get. Joe is working to get us two slots
in the fly by pattern for the week.
VERY IMPORTANT: We are gonna need to get some cue cards for the
announcer to read at various times during the week. These can take the
form of five or six paragraphs, each one to be read independently, take
about a minute per paragraph to read over the p.a. system and addressing
something of interest to the crowd. IE one reading might cover history
of the TW, another speed with various engines, another might say a few
words about modernization of the design, etc. Is there anyone who would
like to take on the job of preparing a few such announcements and get
them to EAA in a month or so?
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 30, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Big X
Rick,
Are you going to do a Big X after the O-O?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
From: Rick and Cindy
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Big X
Hey RJ: Rcv'd info on Big X today, thank you very much!
Rick
N241SW
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Apr 30, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject:
Re: Big X
Eric: Not sure yet, but I'm going to keep gathering info.
Rick
N241SW
Eric Schlanser wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Are you going to do a Big X after the O-O?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
> From: Rick and Cindy
> TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Big X
>
>
> Hey RJ: Rcv'd info on Big X today, thank you very much!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
> ---------------------------------
>
________________________________________________________________________________
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Moldenhauer
Subject: Emailing: P4260002, P4260003, P4260004, P4260001
Bob
Thought you might like to see these pics of your bird.
Al
Your files are attached and ready to send with this message.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 05, 2003
From:
Andrew Eldredge <andrewe(at)byu.edu>
Subject:
Hats and Shirts
Everybody,
It appears that there is enough interest that I'll go ahead and make
the hats and sweatshirts. I'll be in touch with the Logo company
tomorrow and have the design available for viewing. As soon as I can,
stay tuned for updates.
Andrew Eldredge
KD7OSK
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast
Date:
May 06, 2003
Ben;
i raced once with 2 persons over 200# and 135# of baggage and 34 gals fuel !!!
My TW was built approx 40" x 40" at the seats by a very tall man and i have yet
to see someone not fit in it, i have cushions under and behind me when i fly
it.
The tradeoff is it goes slower than the skinny ones. i figure about 17% more frontal
area.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Baltrusaitis
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast
Doesn't a 230 lb. passenger get you way over gross?
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: David Magaw
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast
Raising the bottom of the panel a little for knee room also helps. I have
a standard W-8 fuselage, and my 6'2" son fits in just fine. I have also carried
a 6'3" co-worker who weighed about 230 # in the passenger seat. We were shoulder
to shoulder but we fit reasonably comfortably. I made my stick come under
the leg instead of over like the plans. I had no problem with controls.
Actually it doesn't take much movement of them anyway to make it do what you want.
Dave
N202Q (might have a new engine to mount this week)
----- Original Message -----
From: c141ip
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
Any folks that are, like me, larger than "average" (6'3" and 195)
and currently flying Tailwinds. I've spoken with Jim C. via email,
he thinks with the 2" extension in the 1st bay of the fuse, along
with the door mod, I should be O.K. I also sat in Richard Lamb's
fuselage (no Jim C mods) over the weekend. It's a tight fit and the
normal control stick configuration will not work, but looks as though
I will fit with a little tweaking. Any folks my size that own
Tailwinds? In the CAFE report, there's mention of a 6'3" test pilot,
that has "minimal leg room", but that's the extent of the "tall"
discussion.
I know I need to find a completed and flying airplane to sit in for
the best answer, but I'm curious in the meantime.
Thanks
Bill
--- In TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y"
wrote:
> .....Also, the extra width would be appreciated for us bigger
folks. Jim's mods make the head and leg room problem go away for
me.... >
> Bob Rogers
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From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
Date:
May 06, 2003
Steve Wittman is quoted somewhere as saying;
"don't change anything on the Tailwind until you see me because i have
already tried it"
in line with that is another quote;
"Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received
notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is
a change in your circumstances." --Department of Social Services,
Greenville, South Carolina
Dennis in Chicago N564DF race #53
----- Original Message -----
From: "gatsby8898" <gatsby(at)amigo.net>
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
> Bob, I once considered longer wings for my Tailwind because most
> of my flying is at high altitudes. Beechcraft used longer wings on
> some models of the Bonanza for high altitude flight to keep the angle
> of attack lower. However, The tailwind wing geometry appears not a
> good choice for longer wings. I was concerned in turbulent conditions
> it would add too much leverage outside the lift strut attach point.
> Wittman's W-10 tips have already increased the leverage over the W-8
> design. Or, if one would add the extra bay between the strut and the
> fuselage the angle of the strut to the wing narrows for less strength
> in turbulent conditions.
> If power is increased, I would prefer to use it to fly high
> and/or reduce power for increased economy. I would use the power for
> shorter takeoff and faster climb. Personally, I don't see the need
> for a 250 mph Tailwind when the design is already excellent with 160
> hp.
> RJ
>
>
> --- In TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y"
> wrote:
> > This is great timing for this discussion. I have been puzzling
> over
> > whether to extend each wing one rib bay and widen the cockpit a few
> > inches. With the extra wing area takeoff, landing, and climb
> should
> > improve as well as make the tricycle gear more acceptable to some.
> It
> > would seem that with the horsepower and weight savings the Mazda
> > promises that this would be a modification that would improve
> things
> > without giving up much of the speed we all like so well. Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Bob Rogers
>
>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
Date:
May 06, 2003
I don't think there is a need to extend the wings to fly high. With my last
taildragger, 6168V, we fueled at La Junta, CO. Average passenger weight
over 200 pounds and baggage for a week, we climbed going SW easily to 15,500
feet to stay in smooth air over some high mountains. The TW was still
flying flat without full throttle. 6168V also had the shorter 23 foot wing
instead of the standard 24 foot W10. Stick with the 24 foot.
Skip Lovell, with his W10 O-300 powered, had to climb to 17,000 feet to get
over forest fire smoke near Reno, going home to CA. This was for a short
50-60 mile distance. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
>
> Steve Wittman is quoted somewhere as saying;
> "don't change anything on the Tailwind until you see me because i have
> already tried it"
> in line with that is another quote;
> "Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received
> notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there
is
> a change in your circumstances." --Department of Social Services,
> Greenville, South Carolina
> Dennis in Chicago N564DF race #53
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gatsby8898" <gatsby(at)amigo.net>
> To:
> Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
>
>
> > Bob, I once considered longer wings for my Tailwind because most
> > of my flying is at high altitudes. Beechcraft used longer wings on
> > some models of the Bonanza for high altitude flight to keep the angle
> > of attack lower. However, The tailwind wing geometry appears not a
> > good choice for longer wings. I was concerned in turbulent conditions
> > it would add too much leverage outside the lift strut attach point.
> > Wittman's W-10 tips have already increased the leverage over the W-8
> > design. Or, if one would add the extra bay between the strut and the
> > fuselage the angle of the strut to the wing narrows for less strength
> > in turbulent conditions.
> > If power is increased, I would prefer to use it to fly high
> > and/or reduce power for increased economy. I would use the power for
> > shorter takeoff and faster climb. Personally, I don't see the need
> > for a 250 mph Tailwind when the design is already excellent with 160
> > hp.
> > RJ
> >
> >
> > --- In TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y"
> > wrote:
> > > This is great timing for this discussion. I have been puzzling
> > over
> > > whether to extend each wing one rib bay and widen the cockpit a few
> > > inches. With the extra wing area takeoff, landing, and climb
> > should
> > > improve as well as make the tricycle gear more acceptable to some.
> > It
> > > would seem that with the horsepower and weight savings the Mazda
> > > promises that this would be a modification that would improve
> > things
> > > without giving up much of the speed we all like so well. Any
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Bob Rogers
> >
> >
> > Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles.
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> >
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> >
> > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 06, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Altitude & W-10 wing
Wittman said He tested a 150 HP W-10 Tailwind up to 20,000 feet with no problem.
No passenger. Last summer I left Phoenix for Wi. with over 550 lbs of me, fuel,
oxygen tank, and stuff, and climbed right up to 13,500 easily. I have 150
Lyc. W-10. Standard W-10 wing is fine. How much did that Tailwind weigh
that tried to fly non-stop from Ca. to NY. many years ago????????? George
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Don White" <tailwind1(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Re: Hats and Shirts
Date:
May 06, 2003
Andrew,
Last year at OSH I was looking all over for hats, shirts, etc with
Tailwind. A few guys asked "what's a Tailwind?" I would definately
interested in a hat and shirt myself.
Thanks,
Don White (WB9PRI)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Eldredge" <andrewe(at)byu.edu>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Hats and Shirts
>
> Everybody,
> It appears that there is enough interest that I'll go ahead and make
> the hats and sweatshirts. I'll be in touch with the Logo company
> tomorrow and have the design available for viewing. As soon as I can,
> stay tuned for updates.
>
> Andrew Eldredge
> KD7OSK
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Big, fast, and high.
Date:
May 09, 2003
See Dennis in the white Tailwind N564DF race #53 (RV-10 on side).
All those who want rides will get a chance in my IO-360 with Hartzell and
hopefully newer W-10's.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "tailwind9y" <tailwindbr(at)charter.net>
Subject: [TailwindForum] Big, fast, and high.
> I didn't know I was starting this much of a message storm when I
> asked about making the cabin bigger and the wings longer. Know what
> though? This is great stuff! Thanks to everyone who contributes to
> those of us still sorting things out. By the way, has there been any
> more thought given to some of you fellows hopping rides for "the less
> fortunate" in Urbana in June? Again, thanks to all you great folks.
>
> Bob Rogers
>
>
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>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 09, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
Rick
N241SW
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with Tailwind
drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a focal
point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at Baraboo
other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from EAA
for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is no
president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
Rick Crosslin
W10 N393RC
O-O II N241SW
Shelton Stewart wrote:
> Rick,
> I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> at best.
>
> Thanks,
> Shelton Stewart
> stewart(at)imagin.net
> Brock, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Ron" <rons2(at)microserve.net>
Subject:
Flap Positions
Date:
May 09, 2003
Can anyone give me the most common positions set for the flaps on a W-10?
I am at the point of final assembly of all controls and I don't know where to
set the steps for flap deployment. The plans show 5 different holes for the flap
positions but this seems too many to me. I thought about simply using 15,30
and 45 degrees but I am interested in how others have done it.
Ron Steber
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Date:
May 09, 2003
The info about the TW get together at Baraboo in the most recent Sport
Aviation listed the old airport identifier, C85. The correct one is DLL. Jim
C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
>
> Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
> message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
> From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: stewart(at)imagin.net
> Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
>
> Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with
Tailwind
> drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
> observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
> We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
> 27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
> permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
> bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
> there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a
focal
> point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at
Baraboo
> other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
> there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
> On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
> gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
> stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
> fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from
EAA
> for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
> The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is
no
> president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
> endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
> Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
> member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
> Rick Crosslin
> W10 N393RC
> O-O II N241SW
>
> Shelton Stewart wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> > out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> > Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> > this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> > at best.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shelton Stewart
> > stewart(at)imagin.net
> > Brock, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 09, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject:
Re: Flap Positions
Ron: I used 3 flap positions, 15, 30 and 45 degress. Works fine, most landings
with 30.
Rick
n241SW
Ron wrote:
>
> Can anyone give me the most common positions set for the flaps on a W-10?
I am at the point of final assembly of all controls and I don't know where
to set the steps for flap deployment. The plans show 5 different holes for the
flap positions but this seems too many to me. I thought about simply using 15,30
and 45 degrees but I am interested in how others have done it.
>
> Ron Steber
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Im a newbie!
Date:
May 09, 2003
Brian, i tell this story about my Sun100 race in 2000. We are started in
order of fastest first and i am in a bunch of fast RV's and am cruising at
200mph ind. and feeling real proud ; as i round the second pylon i see a
flash off to the left passing me and see that it is a Quickie Q-2 . N321TM
flown by Tom Moore turned in 186.6 kts to my IO-360 TW at 170.34kts. He is
in the 100 to 149hp class so don't write the Quickie off so fast!!!
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Im a newbie!
> Welcome to the group Chris! Selling a Q200 to build a
> Tailwind is a very smart decision. The Tailwind will
> run all over the Q200 and carry lots more stuff. Most
> people on this list will steer you away from the
> corviar. The 0320 has proven to be about the best
> powerplant for the airframe and lots of work is going
> into the Mazda Rotary. Many parts are becoming
> available for the airframe as well. Jerry Hey makes
> engine mounts and flap & aileron kits, I make
> instrument panels, wheel pants, fuel tanks and the
> spinner/back plate. Jim Clement has mods that make the
> Tailwind a very fast comfortable airplane, even for
> the tricycle dependent pilot. Don't cut a single tube
> without his drawings. These links should get you
> started.
> http://www.j-winddesigns.com/
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>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
[Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Date:
May 10, 2003
Guys and gals,
The pietenpol flyin in Brodhead WI runs friday saturday sunday before the
proposed monday, july 28, departure from Baraboo. It may be a worthwhile
for those in the area on sunday or even saturday to head that way as it is
maybe a 35 minute flight. I will also put a note up on the piet chat line
to head to baraboo if nothing else to do before oshkosh kicks off.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
Cindy
Subject: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
Rick
N241SW
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with Tailwind
drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a focal
point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at Baraboo
other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from EAA
for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is no
president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
Rick Crosslin
W10 N393RC
O-O II N241SW
Shelton Stewart wrote:
> Rick,
> I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> at best.
>
> Thanks,
> Shelton Stewart
> stewart(at)imagin.net
> Brock, Texas
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 10, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
Subject:
Another great flight
Flew to TN today to see my folks. Weather was a little stinky, but able
to get on top and back down and stay VFR. With stout headwinds on the
way down and ground speeds of 155 mph still just an hour and ten minute
flight down, winds died a bit during the day but still decent tailwind
coming home for groundspeed of 195 mph for most of the flight back.
Last time I flew down to Tullahoma some skinny kid working at the
airport was all enthused about the Tailwind, wanted to know all about
it, sit in it, wanted to build one etc etc...yeah, right, I thought to
myself.
Today that skinny kid met me at the airport and told me he has ordered
plans, checked out our pics on Jerry Hey's site, and wanted to know
about Jim's mods...
Maybe there's hope, after all.
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Date:
May 10, 2003
Chris, Word up our way was, if you are not flying a antique you were not
welcome to the Broadhead fly in, was said it was getting to congested. Jim
Clement, Tailwind W10.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
>
> Guys and gals,
>
> The pietenpol flyin in Brodhead WI runs friday saturday sunday before the
> proposed monday, july 28, departure from Baraboo. It may be a worthwhile
> for those in the area on sunday or even saturday to head that way as it is
> maybe a 35 minute flight. I will also put a note up on the piet chat line
> to head to baraboo if nothing else to do before oshkosh kicks off.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
> Cindy
> To: Tailwind discussion group; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
>
>
> Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
> message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
> From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: stewart(at)imagin.net
> Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
>
> Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with
Tailwind
> drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
> observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
> We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
> 27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
> permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
> bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
> there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a
focal
> point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at
Baraboo
> other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
> there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
> On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
> gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
> stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
> fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from
EAA
> for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
> The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is
no
> president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
> endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
> Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
> member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
> Rick Crosslin
> W10 N393RC
> O-O II N241SW
>
> Shelton Stewart wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> > out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> > Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> > this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> > at best.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shelton Stewart
> > stewart(at)imagin.net
> > Brock, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Earl Luce" <luceair(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject:
W-10 for sale
Date:
May 10, 2003
My friends Tailwind (Zeke' s estate ) is back on the market for a quick sale .
His wife is selling the airport .
It is a W-10 with a 0-200 cont. Built in 1995 along side of mine . Asking 18
K Call Earl Luce @ 585-637-5768
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
[Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Date:
May 10, 2003
But was that for the Grassroots Flyin in september? I don't think the
pietenpol flyin in july has a congestion problem. Only about 7 pietenpols
showed last year and the rest were people that flew in in spamcans to look.
Just like you guys can.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim and
Donna Clement
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Chris, Word up our way was, if you are not flying a antique you were not
welcome to the Broadhead fly in, was said it was getting to congested. Jim
Clement, Tailwind W10.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
>
> Guys and gals,
>
> The pietenpol flyin in Brodhead WI runs friday saturday sunday before the
> proposed monday, july 28, departure from Baraboo. It may be a worthwhile
> for those in the area on sunday or even saturday to head that way as it is
> maybe a 35 minute flight. I will also put a note up on the piet chat line
> to head to baraboo if nothing else to do before oshkosh kicks off.
>
> Chris Bobka
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
> Cindy
> To: Tailwind discussion group; TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
>
>
> Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
> message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
> From: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)ne.infi.net>
> To: stewart(at)imagin.net
> Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
>
> Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with
Tailwind
> drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
> observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
> We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
> 27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
> permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
> bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
> there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a
focal
> point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at
Baraboo
> other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
> there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
> On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
> gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
> stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
> fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from
EAA
> for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
> The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is
no
> president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
> endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
> Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
> member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
> Rick Crosslin
> W10 N393RC
> O-O II N241SW
>
> Shelton Stewart wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> > I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> > out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> > Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> > this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> > at best.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Shelton Stewart
> > stewart(at)imagin.net
> > Brock, Texas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 10, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
[Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
It would be nice to see some Piets up at Baraboo. If you use the grass runway......avoid
the part that is SW of the paved runway as it is too bumpy. Use the
part that runs NW of the paved strip........ George Tailwind Phoenix/Baraboo.
"Christian Bobka"
Guys and gals,
The pietenpol flyin in Brodhead WI runs friday saturday sunday before the
proposed monday, july 28, departure from Baraboo. It may be a worthwhile
for those in the area on sunday or even saturday to head that way as it is
maybe a 35 minute flight. I will also put a note up on the piet chat line
to head to baraboo if nothing else to do before oshkosh kicks off.
Chris Bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
Cindy
Subject: Tailwind-List: [Fwd: Oshkosh 2003]
Heard from Tailwinder who wants to join us in observing the 50th, his
message and my replay attached. Great to know the word is getting out!
Rick
N241SW
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:54:13 -0500
From: Rick and Cindy
Subject: Re: Oshkosh 2003
Shelton: Great to hear from you! We're trying to get in touch with Tailwind
drivers to get together for the 50th anniversary of the Tailwind to be
observed this year. Glad to know our efforts are paying off.
We will gather at the Baraboo WI airport (west of OSH a few miles) on July
27-28, this will be the "staging area" for our gathering, camping is
permitted on the field and the FBO has committed to leaving the terminal
bldg open during the evening for access to the facilities. When you get
there, just ask to be directed to Jim Clement's hangar, this will be a focal
point of the gathering. There are no organized activities planned at Baraboo
other than a dinner together at a local restaurant on Sunday evening, and
there promises to be much Tailwind discussion and admiration of airplanes.
On Monday July 28 we will leave Baraboo and head towards OSH in a "loose
gaggle", EAA will park us together just north of airshow center near the
stone arches. During the week we're hoping to get a couple of hours in the
fly by pattern devoted to Tailwinds only, and we have a committment from EAA
for the announcer to plug our observation of this anniversary.
The Tailwind group is about as loosely organized as you can get, there is no
president or any other officer. I am sort of "point man" with EAA on this
endeavor only because I have channels open with EAA in other ventures.
Happy to have you with us, any questions you might have just holler, any
member of either discussion group will certainly try to help.
Rick Crosslin
W10 N393RC
O-O II N241SW
Shelton Stewart wrote:
> Rick,
> I am planning on taking my tailwind (W-8, N24KP) to OSH. I just found
> out about the group loose formation arrival (and the forum) on the 28th.
> Can you provide me a summary of what is going on, who is organizing
> this, anything to help make plans.. The Forum is scattered information
> at best.
>
> Thanks,
> Shelton Stewart
> stewart(at)imagin.net
> Brock, Texas
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Chris Wilson" <chris.wilson(at)rcn.com>
Subject:
Consideration for outside tie-down
Date:
May 11, 2003
I am sure that most hangar your Tailwinds, but if I build I might not have that
luxury. The plane might have to stay outside in the Summer, bring it home for
Storage in the Winter for example. Would anybody have any thoughts on any
special consideration of the covering or any other aspect of Tailwind construction
that would make it more outside friendly.
Regards,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
dmagaw(at)att.net
Subject:
Re: Consideration for outside tie-down
Date:
May 11, 2003
At least see if you can find a shade hangar some place--usually easier to find,
cheaper and will offer some protection. Alternatively, get involved with your
local airports and EAA, and try to share a hangar with someone. Our EAA has
hangar space for rent which has been good interim place until a hangar is
found. Again it is much cheaper, and a tailwind will fit under the wings of
some of the bigger span cans and over the wings of aircraft like RVs etc. I
share my hangar with a taylorcraft because it helps keep my cost down a little
Dave
>
> I am sure that most hangar your Tailwinds, but if I build I might not have that
> luxury. The plane might have to stay outside in the Summer, bring it home for
> Storage in the Winter for example. Would anybody have any thoughts on any
> special consideration of the covering or any other aspect of Tailwind
> construction that would make it more outside friendly.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Chris, If you really can't get the tailwind under some sort of shelter, you
can probably expect more rapid deterioration of the fabric at least.
I assume you're still under construction so make sure the inside of the
wings are well protected. Lots of varnish or better, epoxy such as West. Be
sure to include plenty of ventilation holes to prevent condensation inside
the structure. Paint the aircraft a light color to minimize heat build up.
Invest in some cover for the windows to protect the plastic and also reduce
heat. I've also seen covers that will cover the whole plane, but these would
need to be custom made for a tailwind. The biggest problem is probably
reduced fabric life from the UV exposure. Dacron will last quite a while,
but constant exposure to the sun is hard on it.
This might be one place where folding wings might come in handy. Either the
plane could be taken home each day or it could be stored in a smaller
space....
Just some thoughts on the subject.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wilson" <chris.wilson(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Consideration for outside tie-down
>
> I am sure that most hangar your Tailwinds, but if I build I might not have
that luxury. The plane might have to stay outside in the Summer, bring it
home for Storage in the Winter for example. Would anybody have any
thoughts on any special consideration of the covering or any other aspect of
Tailwind construction that would make it more outside friendly.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 13, 2003
From:
Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Consideration for outside tie-down
I'm not a fan of the aluminum wings for Tailwinds, but
if I had to leave it outside I'd have to consider it.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Larry H" <laheze(at)ev1.net>
Subject:
Fw: EAA Southwest Regional Fly-In Update
Date:
May 13, 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "russell ham" <rham(at)neto.com>
Subject: Fw: EAA Southwest Regional Fly-In Update
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brenda Anderson" <banderson(at)eaa.org>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:25 AM
> Subject: EAA Southwest Regional Fly-In Update
>
>
>
>
> EAA MEMBERS
>
> The EAA Southwest Regional Fly-In is the next event after Sun & Fun.
> May 16,17 2003 in New Braunfels , Texas---half way between Austin
> and San Antonio. This is our 39th year after being started by Tony
> Bingelis and we now are at the best location ever. Great airport-
> 1000 acres of grass, lots of ramp for vendors and heavy aircraft. We will
> have 2 days of forums ,workshops, fly-bys and judging-coupled with
> Texas hospitality and a city that is a family travel destination. The
> largest
> water-park in the world-Schlitterbahn is giving discounts on Sunday
> after the fly-in. This year the awards banquet is on the airport.
> We will have on Saturday a full day of ladies' activities.
> At this point we have in excess of 50 aviation vendors.
> There will be a breakfast on Sunday morning prior to church.
>
> The hotel blocks are filling up so make your reservations by April 15
> to get the best rates.
>
> This is our HOMECOMING---back home in the Hill Country.
> We have invited the former presidents to be our guests as well
> as many former show winners and several from our first year
> in Georgetown in 1965.
>
> We hope to see you there --Stan Shannon, President
>
> See our site www.swrfi.org <http://www.swrfi.org/>
> General Information www.nbcham.org <http://www.nbcham.org/>
> Questions 800-572-2626
>
>
> Stan Shannon, President
> SWRFI
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Chris Wilson" <chris.wilson(at)rcn.com>
Subject:
Wittman Oldsmobile Experience?
Date:
May 19, 2003
I would be interested in hearing any feedback from anybody flying behind an Oldsmobile
powered Tailwind. How well does Steve Wittman's Oldmobile conversion
work?
Thanks,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 19, 2003
Subject:
Re: Wittman Oldsmobile Experience?
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
It doesn't work.......
On Monday, May 19, 2003, at 05:33 PM, Chris Wilson wrote:
>
>
> I would be interested in hearing any feedback from anybody flying
> behind an Oldsmobile powered Tailwind. How well does Steve Wittman's
> Oldmobile conversion work?
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Davstamsta(at)aol.com
Date:
May 19, 2003
Subject:
Welding done!
Hi everyone,
I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup to
be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does race
cars.
I must say, today was a big moment for me.
The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
wrong. Or maybe its me.
This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
David Stamsta, Michigan
N917WT
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
USAviator1(at)aol.com
Date:
May 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: Welding done!
Congrats Dave! Good to hear from you. I had wondered about the powder
coating, what is the cost to have that done?
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: Welding done!
Date:
May 20, 2003
You work almost as fast as Rick Croslin! If you get a chance, post some
pictures to the Tailwind forum.
Dave
N202Q (installing new engine and lots is different)
----- Original Message -----
From: <Davstamsta(at)aol.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Welding done!
>
> Hi everyone,
> I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup
to
> be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does
race
> cars.
> I must say, today was a big moment for me.
> The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
> re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
> wrong. Or maybe its me.
> This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
> If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
>
> David Stamsta, Michigan
> N917WT
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
"Tailwind list"
Subject:
2nd West Coast Tailwind Flyin June 8
Date:
May 20, 2003
Just a reminder that the 2nd Annual Tailwind Fly-in will be June 8 at Yolo County
Airport (2Q3) near Sacramento, CA. Hope to see a bunch of tailwinds and cougars
there. Free breakfast (my treat) for those who fly in via tailwind or cougar.
Meet at the EAA hangar on the field. Breakfast between 9-10:30 am.
See you there.
Dave Magaw
N202Q
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Davstamsta(at)aol.com
Date:
May 20, 2003
Subject:
Powder coat cost
Steve,
I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I was
quoted.
But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this week, and
start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to dry!
At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day and I
would have to do that messy job.
David
N917WT
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
USAviator1(at)aol.com
Date:
May 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
Sounds like a good deal, I will have to come out and see what it looks like
when you get yours done.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 20, 2003
From:
Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net>
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
David,
Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
Everybody has their own priorities though.
The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
(including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
but without the potential for cracks and rust.
A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
Just my 2 cents.
Richard
Davstamsta(at)aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Steve,
> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I was
> quoted.
> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this week, and
> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to dry!
> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day and I
> would have to do that messy job.
>
> David
> N917WT
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
Date:
May 20, 2003
I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less money and
the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money than most
of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
colors. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
>
> David,
> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
>
> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
>
> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
>
> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
>
> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
>
> Everybody has their own priorities though.
>
> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
>
> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
>
> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Davstamsta(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Steve,
> > I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I was
> > quoted.
> > But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this week,
and
> > start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to dry!
> > At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day and
I
> > would have to do that messy job.
> >
> > David
> > N917WT
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Davstamsta(at)aol.com
Date:
May 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
I knew you guys would give me a hard time about the cost! :)
But right now my motto is: I can always get more money, but I'll never get
more time.
The epoxy recommends to cure for seven days before application of the poly
tak.
Just so you know, I had already bought the two part epoxy primer, E420. I did
the flaps, ailerons, rudder, elevator, and stabilizer last fall. Still have
plenty left. I also have a few bags of sand if anyone wants to fly over and
haul some home. No charge!
I've heard a lot of the pros and cons of both. I encourage hearing more, just
for conversations sake.
Mine can be an experiment to see which is better, since I have used both.
I have not heard that the powder cracks or chips. In fact just the opposite.
It is very difficult to remove for a repair. And I have heard that moisture
can get underneath and rust can be hard to spot. I think it can be heavy, but
I'm not too worried. As some of you know who have seen my project, there is
nothing extra inside and it will be a light one.
If anyone wants to fly out this weekend for an up close inspection just stop
on by.
I live a mile for 4N0, Newman's field in south west Michigan.
David
N917WT
________________________________________________________________________________
I'me in the process of installing Van's Nosewheel pant on the gear fork. The drawing
I got shows riveting the pant to the attachment bracket. Is this the way
it's done? I thought about substituting plate nuts to allow removal of the pant,
rather than installing the pant 'permantly'.
Any comments from the tri-gear crowd as to how to proceed?
Thanks in advance!
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Nose Wheel Pant
Date:
May 20, 2003
Bill, I used plate nuts on the brackets, otherwise you have to remove the
axle and the two allen screws.
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nose Wheel Pant
>
> I'me in the process of installing Van's Nosewheel pant on the gear fork.
The drawing I got shows riveting the pant to the attachment bracket. Is this
the way it's done? I thought about substituting plate nuts to allow removal
of the pant, rather than installing the pant 'permantly'.
>
> Any comments from the tri-gear crowd as to how to proceed?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Bill
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Jim, That was my conclusion also. Somehow, building something you
can't take appart doesn't seem like a good idea.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nose Wheel Pant
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, I used plate nuts on the brackets, otherwise you have to remove the
> axle and the two allen screws.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Nose Wheel Pant
>
>
>
> >
> > I'me in the process of installing Van's Nosewheel pant on the gear fork.
> The drawing I got shows riveting the pant to the attachment bracket. Is
this
> the way it's done? I thought about substituting plate nuts to allow
removal
> of the pant, rather than installing the pant 'permantly'.
> >
> > Any comments from the tri-gear crowd as to how to proceed?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 21, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Welding done!
Dave,
I checked with the same outfit in Niles for powdercoating. They gave me the same
$600 estimate as they thought it was about the size of a dragster frame which
they have done.
I told them I was concerned about covering tube cracking from sight. They suggested
using a clear powdercoating like the drag people do for the same reason.
Thanks for the invitation. Hope to see you this weekend. Other listers should see
how fast you are building...and doing a first class job too.
Eric - in Kalamazoo
From: Davstamsta(at)aol.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Welding done!
Hi everyone,
I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup to
be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does race
cars.
I must say, today was a big moment for me.
The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
wrong. Or maybe its me.
This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
David Stamsta, Michigan
N917WT
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 21, 2003
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
From:
Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns(at)thegrid.net>
Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> money and
> the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> than most
> of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> colors. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
>
>
>>
>> David,
>> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
>>
>> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
>> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
>>
>> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
>>
>> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
>> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
>>
>> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
>>
>> Everybody has their own priorities though.
>>
>> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
>> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
>>
>> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
>> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
>> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
>> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
>> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
>>
>> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Davstamsta(at)aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
>>> was
>>> quoted.
>>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
>>> week,
> and
>>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
>>> dry!
>>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
>>> and
> I
>>> would have to do that messy job.
>>>
>>> David
>>> N917WT
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Re: Welding done!
Date:
May 21, 2003
A buddy of mine powdercoated his pitts fuselage in white. A few years
later, a crack appeared at the landing gear attach point and was very easy
to see with the white coating. I would use the white.
The epoxy coatings are very brittle and will chip much like porcelin enamel.
Simply swinging a wrench handle into it while tightening your magneto will
be enough to chip it bad. Epoxy is not UV resistant either and will chaulk
easily where exposed to sunlight. It is better to use a polyurethane based
powder. It is about 99% the chemical resistivity as epoxy but will hold a
shine and is not going to chip easily.
See my powder coating article at
http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html
Do not handle sandblasted parts to be powdercoated with bare hands. Use new
white cotton gloves. ALL RUST MUST BE REMOVED.
Chris Bobka - Mnpls.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Schlanser
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Welding done!
Dave,
I checked with the same outfit in Niles for powdercoating. They gave me the
same $600 estimate as they thought it was about the size of a dragster frame
which they have done.
I told them I was concerned about covering tube cracking from sight. They
suggested using a clear powdercoating like the drag people do for the same
reason.
Thanks for the invitation. Hope to see you this weekend. Other listers
should see how fast you are building...and doing a first class job too.
Eric - in Kalamazoo
From: Davstamsta(at)aol.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Welding done!
Hi everyone,
I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup
to
be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does race
cars.
I must say, today was a big moment for me.
The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
wrong. Or maybe its me.
This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
David Stamsta, Michigan
N917WT
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
Date:
May 21, 2003
You can put anything over it, a friend in the ag flying business uses it on
his Pawnees and it holds up to everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns(at)thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
>
> Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
>
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> > money and
> > the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> > than most
> > of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> > colors. Jim C
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
> >
> >
> >>
> >> David,
> >> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
> >>
> >> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
> >> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
> >>
> >> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
> >>
> >> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
> >> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
> >>
> >> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
> >>
> >> Everybody has their own priorities though.
> >>
> >> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
> >> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
> >>
> >> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
> >> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
> >> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
> >> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
> >> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
> >>
> >> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> Davstamsta(at)aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steve,
> >>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
> >>> was
> >>> quoted.
> >>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
> >>> week,
> > and
> >>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
> >>> dry!
> >>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
> >>> and
> > I
> >>> would have to do that messy job.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> N917WT
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
May 21, 2003
From:
Richard Lamb <lamb01(at)flash.net>
Subject:
Re: Powder coat cost
Jerry Hey wrote:
>
>
> Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
Sure enough. I'm using Epibond/Stits on the new parasol.
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> > money and
> > the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> > than most
> > of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> > colors. Jim C
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01(at)flash.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
> >
> >
> >>
> >> David,
> >> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
> >>
> >> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
> >> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
> >>
> >> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
> >>
> >> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
> >> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
> >>
> >> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
> >>
> >> Everybody has their own priorities though.
> >>
> >> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
> >> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
> >>
> >> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
> >> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
> >> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
> >> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
> >> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
> >>
> >> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> Davstamsta(at)aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Steve,
> >>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
> >>> was
> >>> quoted.
> >>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
> >>> week,
> > and
> >>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
> >>> dry!
> >>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
> >>> and
> > I
> >>> would have to do that messy job.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> N917WT
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> > _-
> > ======================================================================
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 02, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Test
Test
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dallas Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject:
Re: Test
Date:
Jun 02, 2003
Rick:
I was wondering the same thing!!
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 03, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Stringers
Rick C,
At one point you posted a message about some alternative stringer material, 3/8"
x 3/4" x 8 ft. aluminum channel from True Value hardware store. How did you
attach it onto the airframe?
Anyone else have suggestions for alternative stringer material?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
---------------------------------
Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Stringers
Date:
Jun 03, 2003
Eric, I use 1/2"X.028 or .035 6061-T6 round alum tubing. Comes in 12 foot
lengths. You can have it cut for UPS shipping, easily spliced by slitting a
four inch piece and sliding it inside the tubes. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Stringers
>
>
> Rick C,
>
> At one point you posted a message about some alternative stringer
material, 3/8" x 3/4" x 8 ft. aluminum channel from True Value hardware
store. How did you attach it onto the airframe?
>
> Anyone else have suggestions for alternative stringer material?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 03, 2003
Subject:
Re: Stringers
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
The way Jim C does it, is flawless... Use tubing mounted on little
stubs. A Pop Rivet to hold it in place until the fabric goes on. The
the fabric holds everything in place. Good enough for 250 mph....
Ought to work for you.
Weav
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 09:41 AM, Eric Schlanser wrote:
>
>
>
> Rick C,
>
> At one point you posted a message about some alternative stringer
> material, 3/8" x 3/4" x 8 ft. aluminum channel from True Value
> hardware store. How did you attach it onto the airframe?
>
> Anyone else have suggestions for alternative stringer material?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: Stringers
Date:
Jun 03, 2003
Eric:
I used aluminum rectangular stock sold by aircraft spruce. Mounting should
be similar to what you describe. I just welded L shaped tabs, with the
desired standoff length to the frame, or just regular tabs if no standoff
was required, and pop riveted the aluminum to the tabs. Held up well so
far. Use as many tabs as reasonbly possible on the underside where the
standoff was 1.5 inches or so in the middle. The fabric will pull pretty
tight, and bow the aluminum if tabs to far apart.
Dave
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
From:
Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Internet Panel Building
TailwindForum
I've been working the past few days with Bill Vondane,
webmaster at http://www.epanelbuilder.com and Bill has
helped me place a Tailwind instrument panel template
on his site. Also, after the template was available, I
designed my new panel and had a copy posted in his
builder section (Check out some of the panels that
have been built on this site...) hot link at the
bottom of the home page. Epanel.com is a really simple
program to use and if you choose my template you'll
know for sure that what you design will fit the panel
I sell. I would appreciate it if list members would
visit the site, review my panel and provide some
feedback. You can build a panel while your there too.
Have Fun!!!
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
__________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: Internet Panel Building
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
Brian;
I went to the Epanel site, but when I tried to click onto your panel in the
index, nothing happened. Any suggestions?
Bill Newkirk
Prather, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Internet Panel Building
>
> I've been working the past few days with Bill Vondane,
> webmaster at http://www.epanelbuilder.com and Bill has
> helped me place a Tailwind instrument panel template
> on his site. Also, after the template was available, I
> designed my new panel and had a copy posted in his
> builder section (Check out some of the panels that
> have been built on this site...) hot link at the
> bottom of the home page. Epanel.com is a really simple
> program to use and if you choose my template you'll
> know for sure that what you design will fit the panel
> I sell. I would appreciate it if list members would
> visit the site, review my panel and provide some
> feedback. You can build a panel while your there too.
> Have Fun!!!
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
> __________________________________
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
From:
Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Internet Panel Building
If your talking about the template, It is slow to
load. Select the Tailwind panel with my name and wait
about 30 seconds. It should appear, then you can
select different items to place on the template. Also
be sure that the selection bar is not blue. It's easy
to change to another type panel by accident. My
template has my name in the task bar.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
__________________________________
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject:
SAA gathering
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
Rick; Do have any ideas on how many Tailwinds are heading to Urbana next
week. Progress on my W-10 is slow, had to clean out the garage for our
daughters graduation open house, so it will be a month before I can find the
parts again. Hope to install the fuel tank next week. See you at Urbana.
JohnD
Don't archive.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: SAA gathering
John: I don't have a real good number, but I expect Brian Alley, Jim C., Dennis
F., the guy from Baraboo who flies one of Jim's W10s, the new tri gear from
Baraboo, me, maybe Dick Alkire, so there should be several.
Rick
john wrote:
>
> Rick; Do have any ideas on how many Tailwinds are heading to Urbana next
> week. Progress on my W-10 is slow, had to clean out the garage for our
> daughters graduation open house, so it will be a month before I can find the
> parts again. Hope to install the fuel tank next week. See you at Urbana.
> JohnD
> Don't archive.
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: SAA gathering
Date:
Jun 04, 2003
John D;
There were 12 last year, should be more this since Baraboo has had a whole
year to make more of them!!!
Dennis in Chicago back from Dallas where i greeted 12 FA-18's returning from
the USS Roosevelt.
I am doing my annual and getting ready for SAA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: SAA gathering
>
> John: I don't have a real good number, but I expect Brian Alley, Jim C.,
Dennis
> F., the guy from Baraboo who flies one of Jim's W10s, the new tri gear
from
> Baraboo, me, maybe Dick Alkire, so there should be several.
> Rick
>
> john wrote:
>
> >
> > Rick; Do have any ideas on how many Tailwinds are heading to Urbana
next
> > week. Progress on my W-10 is slow, had to clean out the garage for our
> > daughters graduation open house, so it will be a month before I can find
the
> > parts again. Hope to install the fuel tank next week. See you at
Urbana.
> > JohnD
> > Don't archive.
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Baraboo Flyin Motels
Date:
Jun 05, 2003
George and I checked on motels in the area today. July and August are peak
tourist times in this area so the prices get real high. The Dells area and
the Casino will get $150.00 a night and up. The casino is already booked for
all of July. Baraboo is less and is three miles from the airport. Reedsburg
is eight miles and has two motels within walking distance of the Reedsburg
airport. Here is the options, best choices listed first, in my opinion. Most
said they would give 10% discount for Tailwind group discount.
Campus Inn Motel $69 - $105 depending on what units you want.Not the Hilton
but OK. 1-800-421-4748 I think I talked to Kathy.
Park Plaza $99 one to two adults, $109 for three, $119 for four. 10%
percent off this if asked. Nice place. 1-800-356-0520
www.baraboolodging.com
Log Lodge Motel $75 - $90 depending on the number of days and which days,
older place with cabins and also regular motel units. I think it is clean
and OK. 608-356-6552 and 356-6553
Two others in Baraboo
Spinning Wheel Motel 608-356-3933 I think about $80, OK
Best Western 1800-831-3881 didn't get the rates at this one but it is nice
and new.
These two are in Reedsburg, next to the Reedsburg airport.
Super 8 Motel-Reedsburg. $80 on Sat and $71.10 on Sunday. This is the
discounted price, mention flyin at Baraboo. They have only seven rooms left
for that weekend. Nice and nearly new.
Comfort Inn at Reedsburg, George has the prices in his pocket. I think it
was about $10 more than the Super 8. 1-800-228-5150 Just found the
prices.
Fri and Sat $90, Sun $75, all three $85 per night.
If you are planning on a motel room, best to do it right away. There is
plenty of room at the airport for camping and motorhomes. Mike, the AP
manager will leave the office open for use of the bathroom. Rental cars at
the airport for about $30 a day. Bring tie downs.
George has been appointed chairman, he will be making daily updates as soon
as his brother gets his computer fixed. Jim C
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] burning zinc chromate
Date:
Jun 06, 2003
i will add my opinion based on a biplane fuselage i welded in 1967 and my
Tailwind made in 1968.
i blasted and epoxy primed the biplane, the Tailwind is just barely coated
with zinc chromate over mill finish tubing.
The Tailwind is as good as the biplane, maybe better.
i also had 2-Pacers, a 1950 and 1951, no blasting and no rust even in the
struts.
Dennis in Chicago, back from Dallas, doing annual, patching fabric, chewing
polybrush off my hands. N564DF race #53
----- Original Message -----
From: "jrs14855" <jimstanton55(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: [TailwindForum] burning zinc chromate
> Rick and Jim- thanks for being first in line to comment on this. I
> was about to bite a hole in my tongue. For the record the only way to
> treat large welded tube assemblys is to sandblast,and as soon as
> possible paint the bare metal with epoxy primer. I have used Randolph
> Rand o Plate and PPG. Poly fibre is also suitable. THERE IS
> ABSOLUTELY NO POINT IN USING ZINC CHROMATE. WELDING ZINC CHROMATED
> TUBING IS THE WORST IDEA I HAVE EVER SEEN ON THIS FORUM.
> I have had some small parts powder coated but this is very expensive
> and I have heard some horror stories about bad results on large
> weldments.
>
>
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>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 07, 2003
Subject:
RE: Tailwind Fly In
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Got your message Gordon... You're right... have been very busy. My
engine installation is progressing but not finished yet. I'm doing it
right rather than in a hurry. The new crankcase had too many
dimensional differences for some of the existing parts to fit back up.
The starter interfered with the new through bolts and I don't even want
to discuss what that created in terms of time lost. Anyway, we are on
the downhill side of things I hope and I will be flying the Tailwind
again soon. I have to fly the Rocket to the Tailwind get together
tomorrow but that's not so bad.... The Rocket is fun too... I'm
flying down to King City to pick up Jerry Hey so he doesn't have to
drive all the way up there. Sad part is I'm only about 30 minutes from
Yolo where I live now. I get to fly over an hour or so just to pick up
Jerry and then fly another hour or so to get back up to Yolo. We hope
to be there by 9:15 am. There better be some damn good food
waiting..........hahahahahaha.... Just giving Magaw a bad time after
last years deal.
Catch you all soon,
Weav
On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 05:18 PM, gordon parker wrote:
> David Magaw=97Not going to be able to make it Sunday=97Just got my 160 all
> back in after being rebuilt=97have ran it a couple of times briefly.
>But we have been having the June gloom for about a week.=A0Low clouds-
> mist=97not able to get up to get a little time on it before I start=A0the
> serious flying.=A0=A0But plan onOshkosh..Tried to notify weaver but I
> guess he=92s busy.=A0My Phone 760-729 8174 Thanks=A0Gordon 9168Q
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] sunday's fly in
Date:
Jun 09, 2003
2nd annual West Coast Tailwind Flying went very well with terrific weather. Will
post pictures to the Tailwind Forum site soon. Had a great day. Very informal,
pretty good turnout, although Fred Weaver showed up in his souped up spam
can (AKA rocket) because he can't decide whether his tailwind needs a carburetor
or a starter--apparently his new engine case doesn't allow both to fit.
Had a couple of forums planned but never did them because we couldn't get everyone
in one place--they just milled around here and there. Mostly W-8s showed
up. Out of 7 tailwinds, there was only one W-10 (Wilson Werhan's), and it has
W-8 wing tips and rounded tail surfaces so it looks like a W-8 in disguise.
Missed a few of the other local tailwinds because the owners were working and
couldn't make it. Had a number of guys who were building their tailwinds drive
in. I think they got some good discussion and ideas for their aircraft. Plan
to do it again next year, but thinking about changing the location and perhaps
doing a BBQ lunch or something, just for variety.
Dave
N202Q (finishing baffling, then on to fiberglassing bottom of cowling, painting
cowling and hopefully flying again in a few weeks.)
----- Original Message -----
From: von Allmen Guido
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 2:48 AM
Subject: [TailwindForum] sunday's fly in
We are looking forward for your picture report of todays fly in. Hope we can
see many TW 's may be with some construction details and variants. Thanks
in advance. Guido and the Swiss guys.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 10, 2003
From:
Andrew Eldredge <andrewe(at)byu.edu>
Subject:
Hats and Sweatshirts coming soon...
Greetings,
Thanks to all who responded with regard to Hats and Sweatshirts.
The hats are on their way to me and I am now financially committed to
the project. Everything should go out for embroidery at the beginning
of next week and ship out about the first of July.
At this time I still have the option of the text on the back of the
hat. I have been thinking of the following for the hat backs, The
choice with the most votes wins:
#1 "50th ANNIVERSARY"
#2 "50 YEARS STILL THE FASTEST"
Early Payments help defray the up-front cost of production, and
secure the desired colors, details can be found at:
http://www.et.byu.edu/~ame28/hats/ .
Looking Forward to Baraboo..
Andrew Eldredge
1109S 900E #226
Provo, UT 84606
Jigging for basement- friendly parts...
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
One more
Heard from Mr. Jim Schnicker of North Carolina who has recently finished
a W-8 with W-10 wings and an O235. He will be joining us at Baraboo.
Jim's Tailwind was started over 30 years ago!
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: One more
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
I will be looking forward to meeting him. The history on his aircraft
sounds similar to mine
Dave
N202Q (started in 1971, finished in Dec. 2001--well at least flying)
W-8+
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: One more
>
> Heard from Mr. Jim Schnicker of North Carolina who has recently finished
> a W-8 with W-10 wings and an O235. He will be joining us at Baraboo.
> Jim's Tailwind was started over 30 years ago!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Graham Mitchell <GMitchell(at)ucarcomposites.com>
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
Subject:
One more
I would like to thank Dave for arranging this years 2nd annual west coast
tailwind flyin.It was great to put faces to all the names seen on this
website.
Lots of good discussion and ideas passed around by all who attended.This was
the first time I have personally seen so many Tailwinds in one place let
alone flying.
Coupled with that some exciting fly bys by Fred and Ivan made for a very
worth while 1100 mile road trip.
Thanks Dave.
Graham Mitchell now with hangar and W10-0320 (N12558 reserved)and in final
assembly.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Magaw [mailto:dmagaw(at)att.net]
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: One more
I will be looking forward to meeting him. The history on his aircraft
sounds similar to mine
Dave
N202Q (started in 1971, finished in Dec. 2001--well at least flying)
W-8+
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: One more
>
> Heard from Mr. Jim Schnicker of North Carolina who has recently finished
> a W-8 with W-10 wings and an O235. He will be joining us at Baraboo.
> Jim's Tailwind was started over 30 years ago!
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
From:
"Rogers, C. Howard" <hrogers(at)SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
Subject:
Wet wing
<26E3EC48949D134C94A1574B2C8946610117A697(at)exchange2.slac.stanford.edu>
Hi, all. I am a newcomer to the list. I have been interested in Tailwinds for
years, but haven't done anything about it yet. I have been enjoying lurking
here for a while and hearing the talk, checking out the photos, and learning little
bits, here and there. Having never had a good look under the skin of a
Tailwind, I was unaware of the fuel tank location. I confess that this is a serious
"wet-blanket" for me, as I do not like to imagine the results in a front
impact situation. My preference would be to carry the fuel in the wings, outside
the cockpit area. I can see, by the structure of the wing, that it would
not lend itself to wet wings without a complete redesign. I have heard of both
all-metal and composite wings for the tailwind, but I do not know if anything
that exists has been made available to ordinary folks, in the form of detailed
plans. As an A&P and an experienced composite builder, I could be happy
building either type of wing, but I'm not really qualified to
design up a wing from scratch (nor interested). Can anyone in the group shed some
light on these subjects?
Thanks,
-Howard Rogers
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bill newkirk" <bilnewkirk(at)msn.com>
Subject:
Re: One more
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
DAVE,
Thanks for organizing Sunday's Tailwind gathering. Thanks also for taking
the time to point out those things you would or would't do the second time
around. My Murphy Rebel was pleased to be in your pictures, even if it had
to hide behind some unpainted hotrod(which, by the way, had a super looking
panel).
Bill Newkirk,
Prather, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Mitchell" <GMitchell(at)ucarcomposites.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: One more
>
> I would like to thank Dave for arranging this years 2nd annual west coast
> tailwind flyin.It was great to put faces to all the names seen on this
> website.
> Lots of good discussion and ideas passed around by all who attended.This
was
> the first time I have personally seen so many Tailwinds in one place let
> alone flying.
> Coupled with that some exciting fly bys by Fred and Ivan made for a very
> worth while 1100 mile road trip.
> Thanks Dave.
>
> Graham Mitchell now with hangar and W10-0320 (N12558 reserved)and in final
> assembly.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Magaw [mailto:dmagaw(at)att.net]
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: One more
>
>
> I will be looking forward to meeting him. The history on his aircraft
> sounds similar to mine
> Dave
> N202Q (started in 1971, finished in Dec. 2001--well at least flying)
> W-8+
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: One more
>
>
>
> >
> > Heard from Mr. Jim Schnicker of North Carolina who has recently finished
> > a W-8 with W-10 wings and an O235. He will be joining us at Baraboo.
> > Jim's Tailwind was started over 30 years ago!
> > Rick
> > N241SW
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thomas P. Wilson" <twilson(at)clinic.net>
Subject:
Re: Wet wing
Date:
Jun 11, 2003
Hi Howard,
Callby Wood has plans for metal wings for the Tailwind, and the plans
provide for wing tanks. It just so happens that I have both a Tailwind
Project and metal wing project at a stage at which wet wings could be built.
See the June Sport Aviation classified for more information. The workmanship
on the fuselage, which is nearly complete, is excellent. I bought the
project when I believed I had my Zodiac sold, ... but did not. I am in
Maine, if you have any interest. Harmon Lange gear included and Clement mods
were incorporated into the fuselage. Tom Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rogers, C. Howard" <hrogers(at)SLAC.Stanford.EDU>
<26E3EC48949D134C94A1574B2C8946610117A697(at)exchange2.slac.stanford.edu>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wet wing
>
> Hi, all. I am a newcomer to the list. I have been interested in
Tailwinds for years, but haven't done anything about it yet. I have been
enjoying lurking here for a while and hearing the talk, checking out the
photos, and learning little bits, here and there. Having never had a good
look under the skin of a Tailwind, I was unaware of the fuel tank location.
I confess that this is a serious "wet-blanket" for me, as I do not like to
imagine the results in a front impact situation. My preference would be to
carry the fuel in the wings, outside the cockpit area. I can see, by the
structure of the wing, that it would not lend itself to wet wings without a
complete redesign. I have heard of both all-metal and composite wings for
the tailwind, but I do not know if anything that exists has been made
available to ordinary folks, in the form of detailed plans. As an A&P and
an experienced composite builder, I could be happy building either type of
wing, but I'm not really qua!
> lified to
> design up a wing from scratch (nor interested). Can anyone in the group
shed some light on these subjects?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Howard Rogers
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"john" <frmrjohn(at)netonecom.net>
Subject:
Urbana
Date:
Jun 12, 2003
Will have to drive to Urbana again this year. The weather south of here is
not good according to FSS and will not improve until saturday. See all you
Tailwind folks there. JohnD Don;t Archive.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Urbana
Date:
Jun 13, 2003
Keith;
There is a dinner Friday night and the forums start at 12:15 in one
hour...Pietenpol the Sonerai and VW.
Workshop demos at 1:30 to 3:45..fiberglass, aircraft covering and aircraft
painting.
Saturday starts with Hatz at 8:45 then Corvair, war replica,
Tailwinds,propellers, and Continental fuel inj.
SAA said 13th thru 15th but i don't see anything sch for Sun.
Looking at the wx and stationary front over Champaign right now!!!
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "keith Dornseif" <flymrd(at)covad.net>
Subject: [TailwindForum] Urbana
> What's the Time and agenda look like for the Urbana gathering?
>
> Keith Dornseif,
>
>
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>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 13, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Weather delay
Didn't get to Urbana today, weather major stinko. Hope to get an early
start in the morning.
Rick
N393RC
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Weather delay
Date:
Jun 13, 2003
Rick and Baraboo TW'ers the forecast looks better tomorrow.
http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/progs/
When is everyone departing?
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Weather delay
>
> Didn't get to Urbana today, weather major stinko. Hope to get an early
> start in the morning.
> Rick
> N393RC
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Weather delay
Date:
Jun 13, 2003
Five TWs and a Glasair will be leaving Baraboo at about 8:00 AM Sat.
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Weather delay
>
> Rick and Baraboo TW'ers the forecast looks better tomorrow.
> http://adds.aviationweather.noaa.gov/progs/
> When is everyone departing?
> Dennis in Chicago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group" ;
>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Weather delay
>
>
>
> >
> > Didn't get to Urbana today, weather major stinko. Hope to get an early
> > start in the morning.
> > Rick
> > N393RC
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 15, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Big X
Many thanks to Jim Stanton for the pics and info of Big X that he gave
me. Earl Luce, R. J. Hardin and Jim have all contributed to gathering
Big X information.
Thanks!
Rick
N393RC
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 15, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
SAA return flight
The return flight from SAA '03 was another adventure. One day Cindy's
going to leave me and marry and accountant, or something. Leaving Urbana
we enjoyed severe clear skies and smooth flying at 5500 ft for the first
80 miles, then had to descend under the clouds which were lower, and
lower until we were finally damn near that "continued VFR into IFR" that
the FAA is always talking about. Diverted to Davies County Indiana
airport. Well, the #$%& airport was closed, and I was just about to try
to get hold of Dallas Benham, a Tailwind builder who lives near there,
when Paul Hamilton, an older gentleman and an RV driver based there,
helped us out and offered a ride to lunch in town. THIS is one of the
reasons I love aviation, the best people in the world are involved in
it!! Many thanks to Paul for his help.
Well, my first weather briefer of the day was full of baloney, but the
one that helped us out while on the ground waiting out the weather was
very professional and helpful. The airport being closed, I couldn't get
a look at radar, satellite images, METARS, or anything, and she gave me
a very specific suggested route to get home. Had I just looked at the
sky and went charging off, I would have charged straight into a storm.
Thanks to that lady!
Rick
N393RC
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject:
Re: SAA return flight
Date:
Jun 15, 2003
Hi Rick:
First, thanks for even making it to the SAA fly-in, I know the weather was
very crummy. I wanted to go also, but gave it up by noon Saturday. (Could
have driven I guess, but with a Father's day picnic planned Sunday, figured
I had better stay close to home.) We got more rain Saturday morning on top
of the 2.5" we had already gotten.
Second, thanks for the pictures of the goings-on. It is a lot of extra
effort to take and post pictures for eveyone else to enjoy.
Third, I would have been there in a heartbeat (well, 25 minutes anyway) to
pick you up. Or you could have dropped into Shawnee Field, (1I3) Bloomfield
(5 minutes away) or at my 1300' grass strip right by the house. Anyway we
would have accomadeted you and Cindy!
Still don't have my Tailwind finished, but looking toward the Big 50th
anniversary in Oshkosh.
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 15, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: SAA return flight
Dallas: Thanks, man. I was certainly going to call on you when the other guy showed
up. Good luck on your Tailwind!
Rick
"Dallas L. Benham" wrote:
>
> Hi Rick:
>
> First, thanks for even making it to the SAA fly-in, I know the weather was
> very crummy. I wanted to go also, but gave it up by noon Saturday. (Could
> have driven I guess, but with a Father's day picnic planned Sunday, figured
> I had better stay close to home.) We got more rain Saturday morning on top
> of the 2.5" we had already gotten.
>
> Second, thanks for the pictures of the goings-on. It is a lot of extra
> effort to take and post pictures for eveyone else to enjoy.
>
> Third, I would have been there in a heartbeat (well, 25 minutes anyway) to
> pick you up. Or you could have dropped into Shawnee Field, (1I3) Bloomfield
> (5 minutes away) or at my 1300' grass strip right by the house. Anyway we
> would have accomadeted you and Cindy!
>
> Still don't have my Tailwind finished, but looking toward the Big 50th
> anniversary in Oshkosh.
>
> Dallas
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject:
Seen in ANN Monday
Date:
Jun 16, 2003
AOPA's Boyer, EAA's Poberezny Yuk It Up At SAA Fly-In
Two Aviation Leaders Help Celebrate "Grass Roots" Aviation In Urbana
AOPA President Phil Boyer joined hundreds of other "grass roots" aviation pilots
at the Sport Aviation Association Fly-In at Frasca Field (C16) in Urbana (IL)
over the weekend, lauding the effort of sport aviation enthusiasts around the
country. The event was deemed a success by the Sport Aviation Association, founded
to "promote using the talents and freedoms we enjoy to build and restore
aircraft of all types, and to fly and enjoy them with those having similar interests,"
according to founder Paul Poberezny. Yes, that Paul Poberezny.
Frasca Field is also home to simulator maker Frasca International and houses Rudy
Frasca's collection of World War II aircraft in the Frasca Air Museum.
Educational forums included a variety of topics, such as: Building a War Replica
Fighter, Carving Props, Aircraft Painting, Aircraft Covering, and Hatz Aircraft.
FMI: www.sportaviation.org
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
flying weekend
It's a beautiful day, and it's going to be a beautiful weekend. Today is
my oldest son's birthday, and I'm flying the Tailwind to take him to
lunch and spend the afternoon with him. The Tailwind will take me from
damn near Louisville KY to Chatanooga TN in less than an hour. What an
airplane!
Later this afternoon it's a few mile flight to see my Dad and spend the
day with him tomorrow, then back home tomorrow evening.
The Tailwind will turn 8-10 hours of driving into 2 hours of flying,
truly a Flying Carpet.
Rick
N393RC
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
USAviator1(at)aol.com
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
I envy you Rick! It truly is a time machine and I hope to be in the air by
2005.
Thanks for sharing.
Steve -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Yeah! I'm getting closer all the time to flying again too. I remember
when I could write about nice flights all over the states. The Tailwind
is really a fine "Time Machine"... You can comfortably get 600 miles
away from anywhere in 3 or 4 hours. AND without having to get a bank
loan for fuel. I'm hoping by the end of this weekend to have the oil
lines hooked up and the mags back in place. I should be down to
controls and baffling for next weeks stuff.
Baraboo and Oshkosh are coming soon,
Weav
BTW, I've been unable to send email for days.... ANDREW, please email
me....
On Friday, June 20, 2003, at 07:15 AM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
>
>
> It's a beautiful day, and it's going to be a beautiful weekend. Today
> is
> my oldest son's birthday, and I'm flying the Tailwind to take him to
> lunch and spend the afternoon with him. The Tailwind will take me from
> damn near Louisville KY to Chatanooga TN in less than an hour. What an
> airplane!
> Later this afternoon it's a few mile flight to see my Dad and spend the
> day with him tomorrow, then back home tomorrow evening.
> The Tailwind will turn 8-10 hours of driving into 2 hours of flying,
> truly a Flying Carpet.
> Rick
> N393RC
>
>
> _-
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> _-
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> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
From:
Andrew Eldredge <andrewe(at)byu.edu>
Subject:
I think I've got this all worked out...
Greetings,
This hat project is turning out to be real work! Most who wanted
customized hats and sweats have sent me the information I need. It
appears, however that not everything was clear as far as available
colors and Items. In order to clear things up, I have modified the
webpage and added a reservation feature. Make your reservation at
www.et.byu.edu/~ame28/hats/, but check the link to reservations to see
if I have everything already. If the information I have was not
complete, I didn't put it up already.
I will be taking whatever is up there to the embroiderer on Wednesday,
So make sure the information is correct on TUESDAY.
Some have Expressed interest in T-Shirts. If there is sufficient
interest, I can have some like the West coast T-shirts made up for the
50th at Baraboo. Respond with a "Baraboo T-shirt" subject if you are
interested. That -should- be a simpler project so I will simply have
some t-shirts made and have them at the fly-in.
hope this helps!
Tailwinds Forever...
Andrew Eldredge
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
From:
janenjoe(at)juno.com
Where do they post tailwinds for sale?
Joe
writes:
>
> Yeah! I'm getting closer all the time to flying again too. I
> remember
> when I could write about nice flights all over the states. The
> Tailwind
> is really a fine "Time Machine"... You can comfortably get 600
> miles
> away from anywhere in 3 or 4 hours. AND without having to get a bank
>
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Magaw" <dmagaw(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
Look at http://www.barnstormers2000.com/ Go to the "Experimentals" listings
and then choose "Wittman Tailwind" You will find several for sale,
including a real nice one that I am advertising for Dee Brown out of Mesa
Az.
Dave
N202Q
----- Original Message -----
From: <janenjoe(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: flying weekend
>
> Where do they post tailwinds for sale?
> Joe
>
> writes:
> >
> > Yeah! I'm getting closer all the time to flying again too. I
> > remember
> > when I could write about nice flights all over the states. The
> > Tailwind
> > is really a fine "Time Machine"... You can comfortably get 600
> > miles
> > away from anywhere in 3 or 4 hours. AND without having to get a bank
> >
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thomas P. Wilson" <twilson(at)clinic.net>
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
Date:
Jun 20, 2003
Hi Joe,
I have a project for sale. Fuselage is very nearly totally done. All the
difficult part is completed, except motor mount/gear. I can provide
information (without cluttering the list) at twilson(at)clinic.net Thanks. Tom
Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: <janenjoe(at)juno.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: flying weekend
>
> Where do they post tailwinds for sale?
> Joe
>
> writes:
> >
> > Yeah! I'm getting closer all the time to flying again too. I
> > remember
> > when I could write about nice flights all over the states. The
> > Tailwind
> > is really a fine "Time Machine"... You can comfortably get 600
> > miles
> > away from anywhere in 3 or 4 hours. AND without having to get a bank
> >
>
> The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
> Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 23, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
N393RC
In order to finish up O-O and "do her proud", I am reluctantly offering
my Wittman Tailwind for sale. Specs are:
Year mfg: 2001
Model: W10
SN: 1176
Engine and airframe time: 210 hrs tach
Engine: Lycoming O320 with (4) Lycoming factory new cylinder assemblies
(cylinder, piston, pin, valve, springs, seats, keepers), new Slick
magnetos, all other parts new or yellow tag.
Propellor: Felix 68x74
Clement cowl, spinner with carbon fiber backing plate, doors, and rear
spar carry through.
Cockpit adjustable rudder and aileron trim.
Apollo SL60 combination GPS/COMM radio (expensive and worth it), ELT
uses off the shelf flashlight batteries.
Sigtronics panel mounted intercom.
And, perhaps most important, VERY comfortable seats!
Price: $52,500.00, cash preferred
Buyer can take possession at or after Oshkosh '03.
Rick Crosslin
270/369-9179
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Earl Luce" <Luceair(at)att.net>
Subject:
Re: N393RC
Date:
Jun 23, 2003
Rick
Hold on............I wouldn't get rid of that beautiful bird until you
have a year on the O&O . I'm kinda in the same boat , but I can't let go of
the TW .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: N393RC
>
> In order to finish up O-O and "do her proud", I am reluctantly offering
> my Wittman Tailwind for sale. Specs are:
>
> Year mfg: 2001
> Model: W10
> SN: 1176
>
> Engine and airframe time: 210 hrs tach
>
> Engine: Lycoming O320 with (4) Lycoming factory new cylinder assemblies
> (cylinder, piston, pin, valve, springs, seats, keepers), new Slick
> magnetos, all other parts new or yellow tag.
>
> Propellor: Felix 68x74
>
> Clement cowl, spinner with carbon fiber backing plate, doors, and rear
> spar carry through.
>
> Cockpit adjustable rudder and aileron trim.
>
> Apollo SL60 combination GPS/COMM radio (expensive and worth it), ELT
> uses off the shelf flashlight batteries.
>
> Sigtronics panel mounted intercom.
>
> And, perhaps most important, VERY comfortable seats!
>
> Price: $52,500.00, cash preferred
>
> Buyer can take possession at or after Oshkosh '03.
>
> Rick Crosslin
> 270/369-9179
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 23, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Subject:
N393RC
In order to finish up O-O and "do her proud", I am reluctantly offering
my Wittman Tailwind for sale. Specs are:
Year mfg: 2001
Model: W10
SN: 1176
Engine and airframe time: 210 hrs tach
Engine: Lycoming O320 with (4) Lycoming factory new 160 HP cylinder
assemblies
(cylinder, piston, pin, valve, springs, seats, keepers), new Slick
magnetos, all other parts new or yellow tag.
Propellor: Felix 68x74
Clement cowl, spinner with carbon fiber backing plate, doors, and rear
spar carry through.
Cockpit adjustable rudder and aileron trim.
Apollo SL60 combination GPS/COMM radio (expensive and worth it), ELT
uses off the shelf flashlight batteries.
Sigtronics panel mounted intercom.
And, perhaps most important, VERY comfortable seats!
Price: $52,500.00, cash preferred
Buyer can take possession at or after Oshkosh '03.
Rick Crosslin
270/369-9179
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 23, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: N393RC
Earl: Thank you for the kind comment, but it's what I need to do to provide O-O
with really nice stuff.
Rick
N241SW
Earl Luce wrote:
>
> Rick
> Hold on............I wouldn't get rid of that beautiful bird until you
> have a year on the O&O . I'm kinda in the same boat , but I can't let go of
> the TW .
> Earl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
> To: "Tailwind discussion group" ;
>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: N393RC
>
>
> >
> > In order to finish up O-O and "do her proud", I am reluctantly offering
> > my Wittman Tailwind for sale. Specs are:
> >
> > Year mfg: 2001
> > Model: W10
> > SN: 1176
> >
> > Engine and airframe time: 210 hrs tach
> >
> > Engine: Lycoming O320 with (4) Lycoming factory new cylinder assemblies
> > (cylinder, piston, pin, valve, springs, seats, keepers), new Slick
> > magnetos, all other parts new or yellow tag.
> >
> > Propellor: Felix 68x74
> >
> > Clement cowl, spinner with carbon fiber backing plate, doors, and rear
> > spar carry through.
> >
> > Cockpit adjustable rudder and aileron trim.
> >
> > Apollo SL60 combination GPS/COMM radio (expensive and worth it), ELT
> > uses off the shelf flashlight batteries.
> >
> > Sigtronics panel mounted intercom.
> >
> > And, perhaps most important, VERY comfortable seats!
> >
> > Price: $52,500.00, cash preferred
> >
> > Buyer can take possession at or after Oshkosh '03.
> >
> > Rick Crosslin
> > 270/369-9179
> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 24, 2003
Subject:
Re: flying weekend
From:
janenjoe(at)juno.com
Tom,
Thanks for info, a project may be to much for me at this time.
Joe
writes:
>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I have a project for sale. Fuselage is very nearly totally done. All
> the
> difficult part is completed, except motor mount/gear. I can provide
> information (without cluttering the list) at twilson(at)clinic.net
> Thanks. Tom
The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand!
Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER!
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Flying Bike
Date:
Jun 24, 2003
Dave and George;
A while back i had 2 bikes and 2-200#'ers on a trip to Broadhead, WI for the bike
trail and antique flyin.
One was the bike Fri. and the other a 20" fold up, you should have seen them laugh
when we unloaded everything and rode off!!
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: David Magaw
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Flying Bike
Rather than lose the right seat, I am thinking about one of these http://www.bikefriday.com/catalog99.cfm
Should fit right in the baggage area, and light weight also. Have to save my
shekels though!
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: George Turner
To: Tailwind group
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 4:06 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Flying Bike
This is a 26" Mountain Bike. Take one with you next time............ (First
remove wife and right seat) George, Phoenix/Baraboo
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From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] (unknown)
Date:
Jun 26, 2003
Rod, i added a sketch in MS Word.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] (unknown)
> Rod,
> Find someone with RV nosewheel drgs and copy the design, use 2 pcs of
window
> molding with the wide end cut at a 30 deg angle to but up to the leg and
use
> either auto body putty or the urethane adhesive they use to put
windshields
> in with, watch the black stuff gets on everything and is hard to get
off!!!
> i wrapped mine with FG and epoxy but a one pc wrap is prob better.
> Hope this helps.
> Dennis in Chicago
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rod Cody" <rcody(at)uisreno.com>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 2:02 PM
> Subject: [TailwindForum] (unknown)
>
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I'm in the process of replacing the gear leg fairings on my TW, and I
> > was wondering if I should use epoxy or fiberglass resin when I wrap
> > the leg stiffners with fiberglass cloth. Also, what type of foam
> > should be used to make the fairings themselves.
> >
> > Thanks to all for your help.
> >
> > Rod
> > 83CJ
> >
> >
> > $50 - $100 gift card with digital cameras & camcorders $299 & up
> > Now you can have the digital camera or camcorder of your dreams, and a
> gift card to put towards a future purchase. Excludes select models.
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/nUAHtC/mNRGAA/ySSFAA/1yWplB/TM
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 26, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Trike cowl
Jim C and other trikers,
Since trike construction notes indicate the engine is to be mounted 1 inch higher
than the tailwheel version plans, are there any special considerations to the
(Lycoming O320) engine cowl construction? I have raised the firewall about
1.5 inches at the sides and 3 inches in the center.
How about for the bottom of the cowl considering the nose gear? Any special considerations
there?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
Subject:
Re: Trike cowl
Date:
Jun 26, 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Trike cowl
the inside of the scoop on bottom of the cowl was very close to the airbox
carb heat /air inlet scoop that attaches to the bottom of the carb you need
at least 1/4" clearance between the two or you will have to cut open the
cowl scoop to get clearance make sure you have enough room between them Bob
Danner bye
also make sure you have clearance on the nose wheel gear leg and the
carb.
>
> Jim C and other trikers,
>
> Since trike construction notes indicate the engine is to be mounted 1 inch
higher than the tailwheel version plans, are there any special
considerations to the (Lycoming O320) engine cowl construction? I have
raised the firewall about 1.5 inches at the sides and 3 inches in the
center.
>
> How about for the bottom of the cowl considering the nose gear? Any
special considerations there?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jun 28, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Wingtip lights
Bob Danner, thanks for the cowl reply.
I saw your wingtip nav lights at Urbana. You told me you got a good deal on them
at the Oshkosh fly market I think. Can you tell me what lights they are or what
they came from? I am looking for nav lights that are not too obtrusive to
add to the wing tips under construction. The Whelen lights have a large appendage
on the bottom. Do your lights have the part on the bottom that sticks out
an inch or so? A flat bottom light would be best even if it has to be faired into
the wing some.
Eric - in Kalamazoo
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
Subject:
Re: Wingtip lights
Date:
Jun 28, 2003
Eric;
i have 2 "new" Whelen #A427 strobe assemblies that were on my TW but never
hooked up as there was no way to run wires out to the tips after the fact. i
put a strobe on the top of the cabin instead and hooked it up to the power
supply that was installed behind the seat. You would need to order the power
supply that goes with the tip strobes and the std nav light bracket, bulb
and lense, research it and make me an offer for the strobes and i will throw
in free TW delivery. Yahoo guys can see photos attached and you can see the
strobe bulbs are clear (not used).
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wingtip lights
>
>
> Bob Danner, thanks for the cowl reply.
>
> I saw your wingtip nav lights at Urbana. You told me you got a good deal
on them at the Oshkosh fly market I think. Can you tell me what lights they
are or what they came from? I am looking for nav lights that are not too
obtrusive to add to the wing tips under construction. The Whelen lights have
a large appendage on the bottom. Do your lights have the part on the bottom
that sticks out an inch or so? A flat bottom light would be best even if it
has to be faired into the wing some.
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Bob Estelle Danner" <edanner(at)jvlnet.com>
Subject:
Re: Tailwind-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/28/03
Date:
Jun 30, 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tailwind-List Digest Server" <tailwind-list-digest(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/28/03
sounds like dennis has a good deal for you! i have no idea what to tell you
about model or brand go to the fly market or buy what dennis has and build
your wing to fit it
> *
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> 1. 08:38 AM - Wingtip lights (Eric Schlanser)
> 2. 04:25 PM - Re: Wingtip lights (flamini2)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Wingtip lights
>
>
> Bob Danner, thanks for the cowl reply.
>
> I saw your wingtip nav lights at Urbana. You told me you got a good deal
on them
> at the Oshkosh fly market I think. Can you tell me what lights they are or
what
> they came from? I am looking for nav lights that are not too obtrusive to
> add to the wing tips under construction. The Whelen lights have a large
appendage
> on the bottom. Do your lights have the part on the bottom that sticks out
> an inch or so? A flat bottom light would be best even if it has to be
faired into
> the wing some.
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> From: "flamini2" <flamini2(at)attbi.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wingtip lights
>
>
> Eric;
> i have 2 "new" Whelen #A427 strobe assemblies that were on my TW but never
> hooked up as there was no way to run wires out to the tips after the fact.
i
> put a strobe on the top of the cabin instead and hooked it up to the power
> supply that was installed behind the seat. You would need to order the
power
> supply that goes with the tip strobes and the std nav light bracket, bulb
> and lense, research it and make me an offer for the strobes and i will
throw
> in free TW delivery. Yahoo guys can see photos attached and you can see
the
> strobe bulbs are clear (not used).
> Dennis in Chicago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Wingtip lights
>
>
> >
> >
> > Bob Danner, thanks for the cowl reply.
> >
> > I saw your wingtip nav lights at Urbana. You told me you got a good deal
> on them at the Oshkosh fly market I think. Can you tell me what lights
they
> are or what they came from? I am looking for nav lights that are not too
> obtrusive to add to the wing tips under construction. The Whelen lights
have
> a large appendage on the bottom. Do your lights have the part on the
bottom
> that sticks out an inch or so? A flat bottom light would be best even if
it
> has to be faired into the wing some.
> >
> > Eric - in Kalamazoo
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
I lost the e-mail giving the dates for the get-together at Baraboo before Oshkosh.
I think that they were Sunday, July 27 and Monday July 28, with everyone leaving
for OSH on Tuesday July 29.
Is this correct?
Thanks
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Bill: Baraboo will be August 26 and 27, with departure for OSH on Mon 28.
Rick
William Bernard wrote:
>
>I lost the e-mail giving the dates for the get-together at Baraboo before Oshkosh.
>
>I think that they were Sunday, July 27 and Monday July 28, with everyone leaving
for OSH on Tuesday July 29.
>
>Is this correct?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks, Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Bill: Baraboo will be August 26 and 27, with departure for OSH on Mon 28.
> Rick
>
> William Bernard wrote:
>
> >
> >I lost the e-mail giving the dates for the get-together at Baraboo before
Oshkosh.
> >
> >I think that they were Sunday, July 27 and Monday July 28, with everyone
leaving for OSH on Tuesday July 29.
> >
> >Is this correct?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
Rick, Better go with Bill's dates or we will be a month to late. July 26-27
and leave for OSH the 28th. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Bill: Baraboo will be August 26 and 27, with departure for OSH on Mon 28.
> Rick
>
> William Bernard wrote:
>
> >
> >I lost the e-mail giving the dates for the get-together at Baraboo before
Oshkosh.
> >
> >I think that they were Sunday, July 27 and Monday July 28, with everyone
leaving for OSH on Tuesday July 29.
> >
> >Is this correct?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
USAviator1(at)aol.com
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save us a camp
site, please?
Steve & Lori -in Michigan
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport. Over 20
acres of mowed grass.
----- Original Message -----
From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save us a
camp
> site, please?
>
> Steve & Lori -in Michigan
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
USAviator1(at)aol.com
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Thanks Jim. We might make it by Sat. night, depending on traffic. I hope
Mike doesn't mind our black lab.
Steve
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
He doesn't mind.
----- Original Message -----
From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Thanks Jim. We might make it by Sat. night, depending on traffic. I hope
> Mike doesn't mind our black lab.
>
> Steve
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Jim:Yep, sorry.
Rick
Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
>
>Rick, Better go with Bill's dates or we will be a month to late. July 26-27
>and leave for OSH the 28th. Jim
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
>To:
>Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Bill: Baraboo will be August 26 and 27, with departure for OSH on Mon 28.
>>Rick
>>
>>William Bernard wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>I lost the e-mail giving the dates for the get-together at Baraboo before
>>>
>>>
>Oshkosh.
>
>
>>>I think that they were Sunday, July 27 and Monday July 28, with everyone
>>>
>>>
>leaving for OSH on Tuesday July 29.
>
>
>>>Is this correct?
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Wingtip lights
Bob, my wings are built according to plans and are under 1 inch at the tip and
I want as small a nav light as possible. The Grimes style is larger than the tips
by 1/4 in or so. That would be OK but they also have an extension on the bottom.
I thought you had some that were mounted flush, are they?
Dennis, your strobes are for the Grimes style light and I am struggling with that
as you can see. I wonder if they can be dismantled and just the guts mounted
on top of the tail? The base is way too wide, but how wide is the base of the
bulb?
Rick C, did you dismantle a strobe and use the bulb and build a custom base to
fit the top of your W-10 tail?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 01, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: Wingtip lights
Erick: Yep.
Rick
Eric Schlanser wrote:
>
>
>Bob, my wings are built according to plans and are under 1 inch at the tip and
I want as small a nav light as possible. The Grimes style is larger than the
tips by 1/4 in or so. That would be OK but they also have an extension on the
bottom. I thought you had some that were mounted flush, are they?
>
>Dennis, your strobes are for the Grimes style light and I am struggling with that
as you can see. I wonder if they can be dismantled and just the guts mounted
on top of the tail? The base is way too wide, but how wide is the base of the
bulb?
>
>Rick C, did you dismantle a strobe and use the bulb and build a custom base to
fit the top of your W-10 tail?
>
>Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport. Over 20
> acres of mowed grass.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
> >
> > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save us a
> camp
> > site, please?
> >
> > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Eric, my strobe lignt is a wingtip model mounted on top of the tail, using a
weld-in taillight mount I got from ACS. It is a tight fit, but it makes a
neat installation. The power supply mounts down in the fuselage with the
wires running up through the tail.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Wingtip lights
>
>
> Bob, my wings are built according to plans and are under 1 inch at the tip
and I want as small a nav light as possible. The Grimes style is larger than
the tips by 1/4 in or so. That would be OK but they also have an extension
on the bottom. I thought you had some that were mounted flush, are they?
>
> Dennis, your strobes are for the Grimes style light and I am struggling
with that as you can see. I wonder if they can be dismantled and just the
guts mounted on top of the tail? The base is way too wide, but how wide is
the base of the bulb?
>
> Rick C, did you dismantle a strobe and use the bulb and build a custom
base to fit the top of your W-10 tail?
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
Bill, Tents, motorhomes and anything else is welcome. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport. Over
20
> > acres of mowed grass.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save us
a
> > camp
> > > site, please?
> > >
> > > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates/Dog.
'Wings', the airport cat, might not like mignt have an opinion about the dog.
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
He doesn't mind.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Thanks Jim. We might make it by Sat. night, depending on traffic. I hope
> Mike doesn't mind our black lab.
>
> Steve
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Lovelace" <mlovelace(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
Jim I am planning on taking off at first light on Saturday morning. My buddy
with his camper hopes to arrive at Baraboo Saturday night and we plan to
stay until the group leaves for Oshkosh on Monday. I have been waiting for
3 years for this event. We have a lot of hangar flying to catch up on and
many new faces to meet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, Tents, motorhomes and anything else is welcome. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport.
Over
> 20
> > > acres of mowed grass.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save
us
> a
> > > camp
> > > > site, please?
> > > >
> > > > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
From:
George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
mloveless: Please tell us all where you live. George......Phoenix
Jim I am planning on taking off at first light on Saturday morning. My buddy
with his camper hopes to arrive at Baraboo Saturday night and we plan to
stay until the group leaves for Oshkosh on Monday. I have been waiting for
3 years for this event. We have a lot of hangar flying to catch up on and
many new faces to meet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, Tents, motorhomes and anything else is welcome. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard"
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport.
Over
> 20
> > > acres of mowed grass.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From:
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save
us
> a
> > > camp
> > > > site, please?
> > > >
> > > > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
Glad you are coming Malcomb, see you then. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lovelace" <mlovelace(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> Jim I am planning on taking off at first light on Saturday morning. My
buddy
> with his camper hopes to arrive at Baraboo Saturday night and we plan to
> stay until the group leaves for Oshkosh on Monday. I have been waiting
for
> 3 years for this event. We have a lot of hangar flying to catch up on and
> many new faces to meet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, Tents, motorhomes and anything else is welcome. Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > >
> > >
> > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport.
> Over
> > 20
> > > > acres of mowed grass.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <USAviator1(at)aol.com>
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save
> us
> > a
> > > > camp
> > > > > site, please?
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Lovelace" <mlovelace(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Dates
Date:
Jul 02, 2003
Springfield, Ohio
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Turner" <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
> mloveless: Please tell us all where you live. George......Phoenix
>
"Lovelace"
>
> Jim I am planning on taking off at first light on Saturday morning. My
buddy
> with his camper hopes to arrive at Baraboo Saturday night and we plan to
> stay until the group leaves for Oshkosh on Monday. I have been waiting for
> 3 years for this event. We have a lot of hangar flying to catch up on and
> many new faces to meet.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, Tents, motorhomes and anything else is welcome. Jim
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard"
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jim, would it be OK to camp on the airport the night of July 28th?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > >
> > >
> > > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > No problem Steve, Mike the manager has given us the whole airport.
> Over
> > 20
> > > > acres of mowed grass.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From:
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Dates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Jim, we will be arriving on Sunday the 27th, via minivan, save
> us
> > a
> > > > camp
> > > > > site, please?
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve & Lori -in Michigan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 04, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
N393RC
New and improved price $49,500.00.
Rick
N393RC
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 05, 2003
Subject:
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Wingtip lights
Date:
Jul 05, 2003
Eric;
i saw your message while in San Antonio and then Dallas but Yahoo would not
let me on with my new Comcast address, i am back in Chicago and measured the
strobe without the lense and it is in a pair shaped white rubber compound
that is 1 1/4" wide at the leading edge and 1 3/4" from front to back and 1
3/4" from base to extreme end of twisted bulb.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wingtip lights
>
>
> Bob Danner, thanks for the cowl reply.
>
> I saw your wingtip nav lights at Urbana. You told me you got a good deal
on them at the Oshkosh fly market I think. Can you tell me what lights they
are or what they came from? I am looking for nav lights that are not too
obtrusive to add to the wing tips under construction. The Whelen lights have
a large appendage on the bottom. Do your lights have the part on the bottom
that sticks out an inch or so? A flat bottom light would be best even if it
has to be faired into the wing some.
>
> Eric - in Kalamazoo
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Ride to Baraboo
Date:
Jul 05, 2003
Jerry;
i saw your post about not making Baraboo, if it makes any difference i could pick
you up and return you the same day or as many days as you want.
PS where are you located now?
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Lights
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Just saw this on the RV list, it looks like a good set up for nav lights using
LED'S.
http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm
Dennis in Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Jerry Ride
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
i have been having trouble with AT&T changing our E-mail....
Jerry, did you get my message about picking you up for Baraboo, if you want go
for even 1 day just let me know.
PS, where are you now?
Dennis in Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
4 place
Well, just got new Sport Aviation a couple days ago, looks like the
RV-10 is every bit the great airplane you'd expect from Van Grunsven.
Looks like we're gonna hafta get pencil on paper and start workin' out
the details for Big X, can't let Dick have the whole fast 4 place
market, ya know.
Rick
N241SW
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Subject:
Re: 4 place
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Rick,
I've already started. The delema is this: Do we want a replica of the
original, or use the best of the W-10, the 220 hp Franklin, a constant
speed, etc. and make it a real 200 knot cruiser. I've already got the basic
dimensions, the wing rib template (64" chord), and most of the tubing sized.
With the Franklin it will be possible to use the rod landing gear if you use
a different carburator arrangement (probably and Ellison).
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: 4 place
>
> Well, just got new Sport Aviation a couple days ago, looks like the
> RV-10 is every bit the great airplane you'd expect from Van Grunsven.
> Looks like we're gonna hafta get pencil on paper and start workin' out
> the details for Big X, can't let Dick have the whole fast 4 place
> market, ya know.
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Subject:
Re: 4 place
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Or....how about a nice big and roomy I0-540 powered Tailwind? BTW
Rick....you are going to get to see and fly the Four Runner at Baraboo.
The airplane is a Four place Tailwind(sorta). It has an 0-360 with a
constant speed Hartzell to provide thrust. I sold it years ago to Lee
Cardoza who now lives in Cooperstown, ND. He is flying over to meet up
with all of us enroute to Oshkosh.
Weav
On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 06:25 AM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
>
>
> Well, just got new Sport Aviation a couple days ago, looks like the
> RV-10 is every bit the great airplane you'd expect from Van Grunsven.
> Looks like we're gonna hafta get pencil on paper and start workin' out
> the details for Big X, can't let Dick have the whole fast 4 place
> market, ya know.
> Rick
> N241SW
>
>
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: 4 place
Hey man, that's great! Good luck in the struggle with engine and prop
selection, I spent quite a bit of time pondering similar questions with O-O.
Rick
Boud Kuenen wrote:
>
>Rick,
>
>I've already started. The delema is this: Do we want a replica of the
>original, or use the best of the W-10, the 220 hp Franklin, a constant
>speed, etc. and make it a real 200 knot cruiser. I've already got the basic
>dimensions, the wing rib template (64" chord), and most of the tubing sized.
>With the Franklin it will be possible to use the rod landing gear if you use
>a different carburator arrangement (probably and Ellison).
>
>Boud Kuenen
>NX888WT
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
>To: "Tailwind discussion group"
>Subject: Tailwind-List: 4 place
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Well, just got new Sport Aviation a couple days ago, looks like the
>>RV-10 is every bit the great airplane you'd expect from Van Grunsven.
>>Looks like we're gonna hafta get pencil on paper and start workin' out
>>the details for Big X, can't let Dick have the whole fast 4 place
>>market, ya know.
>>Rick
>>N241SW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: 4 place
That's great, Fred. Saw it (I think) briefly on flight line at OSH maybe
5-6 yrs ago.
Rick
Fred Weaver wrote:
>
>Or....how about a nice big and roomy I0-540 powered Tailwind? BTW
>Rick....you are going to get to see and fly the Four Runner at Baraboo.
>The airplane is a Four place Tailwind(sorta). It has an 0-360 with a
>constant speed Hartzell to provide thrust. I sold it years ago to Lee
>Cardoza who now lives in Cooperstown, ND. He is flying over to meet up
>with all of us enroute to Oshkosh.
>Weav
>
>On Tuesday, July 8, 2003, at 06:25 AM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>Well, just got new Sport Aviation a couple days ago, looks like the
>>RV-10 is every bit the great airplane you'd expect from Van Grunsven.
>>Looks like we're gonna hafta get pencil on paper and start workin' out
>>the details for Big X, can't let Dick have the whole fast 4 place
>>market, ya know.
>>Rick
>>N241SW
>>
>>
>>_-
>>======================================================================
>>_-
>>======================================================================
>>_-
>>======================================================================
>>_-
>>======================================================================
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
<Bo124rs(at)aol.com>
Subject:
Re: Application
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
<phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject:
Re: Movie
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Please see the attached zip file for details.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Movie
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Phil,
Matronics does not allow attachments for virus protection, Yahoo does but
not sure what size is allowed.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Movie
>
> Please see the attached zip file for details.
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 08, 2003
Subject:
Re: Movie
From:
"Matt Prather" <mprather(at)spro.net>
I think this is a case of the virus protection at work....
Matt Prather
N34RD
> Phil,
> Matronics does not allow attachments for virus protection, Yahoo does
> but not sure what size is allowed.
> Dennis in Chicago
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <phil(at)petrasoft.net>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 7:09 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Movie
>
>
>>
>> Please see the attached zip file for details.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 14, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Test
Test
________________________________________________________________________________
Andrew,
i got mine today also, they look great, thanks
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago, Dallas next week, Norfolk week after, then Baraboo, then Oshkosh....whewwww.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dallas L. Benham
To: TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Hats shipped Friday, Sweats moving out today
Andrew:
Received my Tailwind hat in today's mail. Looks great and feels good.
Thanks
Dallas
Southern INDIANA
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Date:
Jul 17, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
MERFI Tailwind reunion
I received this EAA notice. It notes a Tailwind reunion is taking place during
MERFI in August 23-24.
Is anyone on this list planning to attend?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 17, 2003
From:
Eric Schlanser <eschlanser(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
re: MERFI Tailwind reunion
...Forgot the message...
I received this EAA notice. It notes a Tailwind reunion is taking place during
MERFI in August 23-24.
Is anyone on this list planning to attend?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
Dear EAA Member,
Plans for the EAA Mid East Regional Fly-In are well under way. The
fly-in will take place Saturday and Sunday, August 23rd & 24th in Marion,
Ohio at the Marion Municipal Airport (MNN).
We hope you are able to attend MERFI, there will be plenty to enjoy:
* Forums, Workshops and Seminars
* Food & Concessions
* Vendors
* Flea Market
* Static Displays
* Airplane Rides
* Primitive Camping on Site
* Evening Activities Include: Glassair Reunion, Pietenpol Reunion,
and Tailwind Reunion
* Young Eagle Rides: Saturday, 9 - 12 PM and Sunday, 12 to 3 PM
(Weather Permitting)
For additional information contact Ian Templeton at 440-352-1781.
Vendors may contact Virgil Phillips at 419-347-5737.
Brenda Anderson
EAA Chapter Administrator
920-426-6867
banderson(at)eaa.org
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________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Jul 18, 2003
From:
owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
From:
"Warner, Terry [LBRT/LGS]" <Terry.Warner(at)liebert.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: re: MERFI Tailwind reunion
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:22:40 -0400
I will be at Merfi. Gonzo and I will not Oshkosh however. Hope everyone is
well.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Schlanser [mailto:eschlanser(at)yahoo.com]
Subject: Tailwind-List: re: MERFI Tailwind reunion
...Forgot the message...
I received this EAA notice. It notes a Tailwind reunion is taking place
during MERFI in August 23-24.
Is anyone on this list planning to attend?
Eric - in Kalamazoo
Dear EAA Member,
Plans for the EAA Mid East Regional Fly-In are well under way. The
fly-in will take place Saturday and Sunday, August 23rd & 24th in Marion,
Ohio at the Marion Municipal Airport (MNN).
We hope you are able to attend MERFI, there will be plenty to enjoy:
* Forums, Workshops and Seminars
* Food & Concessions
* Vendors
* Flea Market
* Static Displays
* Airplane Rides
* Primitive Camping on Site
* Evening Activities Include: Glassair Reunion, Pietenpol Reunion,
and Tailwind Reunion
* Young Eagle Rides: Saturday, 9 - 12 PM and Sunday, 12 to 3 PM
(Weather Permitting)
For additional information contact Ian Templeton at 440-352-1781.
Vendors may contact Virgil Phillips at 419-347-5737.
Brenda Anderson
EAA Chapter Administrator
920-426-6867
banderson(at)eaa.org
---------------------------------
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"David Lamphere" <lamphere(at)earthlink.net>
Subject:
Baraboo Flyin Thanks
Date:
Jul 28, 2003
Sorry I left you guys early on Saturday afternoon, but it looked like the
route home was going to get some weather if I waited for Sunday or today. I
kind of wished I was able to get there on Thursday instead of Friday, but
hind-sight is always better then fore-sight. While it was a short visit, and
the wind really blew on the tent Friday night, it was worth the trip.
(7.3hrs Fri, 7.6 hrs Sat).
I want to thank all those guys that worked on hosting this flyin at Baraboo.
I especially want to thank Bob Danner for helping me with the loose pushrod
tube seal I had on the ol' 300-A. It was a pleasure to meet all the guys
that have contributed so much information on the mail groups. With all the
activity that was going on at the hangars and so many people milling about,
when I asked a question about construction, Jim or Rick was quick to help
with an answer - real hospitality. Talking with Ralph (my friend from
Vermont and fellow builder that had changed his vacation trip route so he
could stop by Baraboo) yesterday, it sounded like things got too busy on
Saturday and he couldn't stay long enough for a ride in a Tailwind, but I'm
sure he'll connect up with someone in the near future..
Looking at the weather map, it looked really good for the flight up to
Oshkosh from Baraboo. Hope all got up there without incident.
Thinking back to Baraboo, I'm not sure who had the most fun, Fred flying,
flying, flying (well I might add), George keeping tabs on everyone and
reporting, or Jim helping that new Tailwind get ready to go.. :-)
Thanks for the information and the good memories guys!
Dave and Elaine Lamphere
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh 7-29-03
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh 7-29-03
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
More photos
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
More photos.
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh 7-29-03
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
More photos.
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh 7-29-03
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
Photos of prop signs.
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh 7-29-03
Date:
Jul 29, 2003
More prop signs.
Matronics guys go to Yahoo for photos.
Just got back from Oshkosh and there were 25 Tailwinds and 1 cougar near the main
entrance, possibly more in camping but looks like a recent record turnout.
Some of you have asked for details so i took some photos of Earl Trimble's TW
parked next to me.PS 175kts at 12,500' coming home over the ORD class B!!!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race # 53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Oshkosh more photos
Date:
Aug 01, 2003
See recent Oshkosh photos from 7-31-03 at;
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/n564df
all of the details are the metal wing form Toronto
PS, this way the Matronics guys can see them also, thanks to Drew and others on
the list who showed a 60 year old (who just found out how to turn the computer
on 2 years ago) how to do this without killing mailboxes!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
O&O photo
Date:
Aug 01, 2003
i added a photo i kept from 1990 of the O&O special
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/n564df
Dennis Flamini N564DF race#53 Chicago, just back from OSH and feel like i was run
over by a truck!! (slept in a tent on the ground with thunder and rain)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Baraboo Flyin
Date:
Aug 03, 2003
The Baraboo gang wants to thank the Tailwinders and their friends for the
success of the TW flyin. We came out $94.00 ahead and that will be applied
to next years flyin. The problem of no shower for campers will be taken care
of for next year. We had no idea what to expect or plan for so we decided to
keep it simple and not plan much of any thing, just hang out and atlk TWs,
it seemed to work. Next year we will do a little more as George has more
experience now and Bob has become a excellent cook. Jim C and Donna
________________________________________________________________________________
I'd like to thank Brian Alley for the ride in his tailwind. I'd also like to thank
Jim C, George, and all the rest who made the get-together at Baraboo possible.
I'm looking forward to having my tailwind there next year to join the gaggle to
OSH.
Thanks, again
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Chris Wilson" <chris.wilson(at)rcn.com>
Subject:
Wing inspection?
Date:
Aug 04, 2003
What is the procedure for inspecting the inside of the Tailwind wing, once it has
been sheathed in plywood, and covered? Doesn't appear as if there are inspection
access points typically installed.
Regards,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Wing inspection?
Date:
Aug 04, 2003
From:
"Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
The paperwork says, "cut the inspection ports into the wing only if you suspect
that you need to be looking inside".
Ruhnke
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Wilson [mailto:chris.wilson(at)rcn.com]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wing inspection?
What is the procedure for inspecting the inside of the Tailwind wing, once it has
been sheathed in plywood, and covered? Doesn't appear as if there are inspection
access points typically installed.
Regards,
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Aug 04, 2003
From:
mlinda(at)wt.net
Subject:
Re: Wing inspection?
Steve told me that if you don't see damage on the outside of the wing you can
be quite certain there is no damage on the inside. Flat statement.
Ralph Mains N710DH
Quoting Chris Wilson :
>
> What is the procedure for inspecting the inside of the Tailwind wing, once it
> has been sheathed in plywood, and covered? Doesn't appear as if there are
> inspection access points typically installed.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Re: Wing inspection?
Date:
Aug 04, 2003
My 35 year old TW with 1820 hrs and 1141# empty has no access covers.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Wilson" <chris.wilson(at)rcn.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Wing inspection?
>
> What is the procedure for inspecting the inside of the Tailwind wing, once
it has been sheathed in plywood, and covered? Doesn't appear as if there
are inspection access points typically installed.
> Regards,
> Chris
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Lovelace" <mlovelace(at)woh.rr.com>
Subject:
Re: Baraboo Flyin
Date:
Aug 04, 2003
Jim and Donna thanks for the hospitality and all the great fun. It was the
best vacation I've had in years. I made it home Friday @10:45am, 2hrs 30min
flying time. I sure am thankful for the FSS station on the field. Without
the briefing I would not have set out to go home Friday morning but it
looked like it was clearing along the way. Sure enough I made it home
without one rain drop. Jim I fixed the sticky elevator and ailerons over the
weekend. I removed the paint from the torque tube and replaced the black
nylon bushings in the end of the flap tube. Boy what a difference. I will
try it out the end of the week after it stops raining. Thanks again to all
who participated and will be happy to help with what I can for next year.
Also keep Moldy on the straight and narrow.
Malcolm Lovelace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Baraboo Flyin
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> The Baraboo gang wants to thank the Tailwinders and their friends for the
> success of the TW flyin. We came out $94.00 ahead and that will be applied
> to next years flyin. The problem of no shower for campers will be taken
care
> of for next year. We had no idea what to expect or plan for so we decided
to
> keep it simple and not plan much of any thing, just hang out and atlk TWs,
> it seemed to work. Next year we will do a little more as George has more
> experience now and Bob has become a excellent cook. Jim C and Donna
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
, "Flamini, Dom, Sue"
Subject:
Re: [TailwindForum] Tailwind Forum Photo section
Date:
Aug 05, 2003
i have updated myYahoo photo site (almost have it figured out) go to;
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/n564df
Some of the photos were posted previously
Dennis in Chicago
From: Dave M
To: TailwindForum
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Tailwind Forum Photo section
Group:
The photo section of the Tailwind forum was over the 30MB allowed for photos,
so I went through and deleted a number of the pictures to make way for more recent
photos. I saved the better photos that showed construction, and various
tailwinds. I hope I did not delete someone's favorite photo. Currently, the
photo section is using 20MB, so we are still using 2/3s of the available space.
Feel free to post photos to the site. Just click on the photos section and follow
the instructions for uploading photos ("add photos"). It is pretty easy
once you do it. It took us almost 2 years to fill it up the first time. If
you can, put your photos in an album ("create album") then add the photos into
the album.
If you like to have some of the photos that are posted on the photos section,
I would recommend downloading them to your computer. With the limited space,
general photos will probably get replaced from time to time.
If you have a lot of photos, a good way to share them with the group is to do
like Dennis Flamini and create a Yahoo photo share site and then post the address.
I don't think it costs anything.
Lastly, you can always just attach your photo(s) to your e-mail posts. For those
who don't want to get big files in their e-mail, get the daily digest of
the posts, which will not include any attachments. You can always go directly
to the Tailwind Forum site and review the messages, and download the attachments
separately.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have questions.
Dave
N202Q
Forum administrator.
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Date:
Aug 07, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Tailwind discussion group
Subject:
SAA '03
Wes Schmidt of SAA called, he is trying to publish the N#, name and
city/state of everyone who came to SAA/Urbana '03. Of the Tailwind
group, he has everbody except N20035 and N12038. Would someone reply
with the name and city and state of the owner/pilot? I need to get this
to Wes today if possible.
Thanks all:
Rick
N241SW
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From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
SAA '03
Date:
Aug 07, 2003
Rick,
I am unclear if you are collecting info for just Tailwinds or all aircraft.
I was at SAA/Urbana with 1946 Cessna 140 NC89559. Owner is Ralph Sperry of
Dallas Texas. Pilot was Chris Bobka (SAA 289) of Apple Valley, MN
If you could pass that on it would be great.
chris
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick and
Cindy
Subject: Tailwind-List: SAA '03
Wes Schmidt of SAA called, he is trying to publish the N#, name and
city/state of everyone who came to SAA/Urbana '03. Of the Tailwind
group, he has everbody except N20035 and N12038. Would someone reply
with the name and city and state of the owner/pilot? I need to get this
to Wes today if possible.
Thanks all:
Rick
N241SW
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What are folks using to seal the windshield and side windows to prevent water leaks?
Also, any suggestions about cutting the hole for the fuel filler cap? How
is that sealed to the windshield?
Got this part coming up hopefully soon.
Bill
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"flamini2" <flamini2(at)comcast.net>
Subject:
Fw: Led lights
Date:
Aug 10, 2003
----- Original Message -----
From: BillDube(at)killacycle.com
Subject: Re: Led lights
Dear Dennis,
At 11:59 AM 7/9/03, you wrote:
Several Tailwind builders are interested in your lights but their browsers won't
open the photos. Could you post a few to the Tailwind list at Yahoo, they
accept attachments.
TailwindForum(at)yahoogroups.com
Try the web page now.
<http://www.killacycle.com/Lights.htm>
I have revised it significantly. Also, you might be interested in reading
the assembly instructions at:
<http://www.killacycle.com/Instructions.htm>
If all else fails, I have a set listed on ebay at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category26438&item2427371423
That is item #2427371423
Bill Dube'
2244 Grape Street
Denver, Colorado
80207
(303) 329-9158 (evening)
(303) 497-3933 (day)
(303) 859-1592 (cellular)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)compuserve.com>
"pietenpol" ,
"tailwind"
Subject:
looking for Larry West near Spokane WA
Date:
Aug 11, 2003
Somebody on the list told me they new Larry West from Spokane WA of nearby. I
am trying to get a holt of him.
chris bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Drain Holes
Date:
Aug 19, 2003
From:
"Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
I'm in the process of putting fabric on the old Tailwind and I'm wondering what
existing Tailwind owners have for drain holes in their tail feathers, flaps and
ailerons?
Mike NW, Illinois
________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, I put mine on either side of the ribs at the low point when the
aircraft is on the ground.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Drain Holes
>
> I'm in the process of putting fabric on the old Tailwind and I'm wondering
what existing Tailwind owners have for drain holes in their tail feathers,
flaps and ailerons?
>
> Mike NW, Illinois
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Aug 21, 2003
Subject:
Re: Drain Holes
From:
Bruce Green <mailindex(at)juno.com>
Mike,
I dont have a tailwind, but on my Eagle, the holes are as Bill said, on
either side if the ribs, and there are no gromets, just a soldering iron
melted hole through a double layer of fabric. Obviously this isnt an
option if you are using cotton.
What system are you using?
Bruce Green
Eagle N110GM
writes:
>
>
> Mike, I put mine on either side of the ribs at the low point when
> the
> aircraft is on the ground.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
> To: "Tailwind-List (E-mail)"
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Drain Holes
>
>
>
> >
> > I'm in the process of putting fabric on the old Tailwind and I'm
> wondering
> what existing Tailwind owners have for drain holes in their tail
> feathers,
> flaps and ailerons?
> >
> > Mike NW, Illinois
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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________________________________________________________________________________
I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder if it is anything
to worry about or fix.
The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is supposed to be off
of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a salvage yard. The
engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The observation is that the
rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side that the other for each
mount.
Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was previoulsy mounted)
shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being focused to a point
further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that Cessna used
a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different types of mount
rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers anything to worry about,
or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
Thanks for the opinions.
Bill
N40WB
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Dynafocal Rings
Date:
Aug 21, 2003
Bill, I don't know for sure about the new Cessna's, but the old ones should
fit. Maybe they gave you a mount from a twin Comanche, they have a different
angle than the E2D. If it is the wrong one, I would think the bolts would be
real difficult to get through the holes in the engine. Are you sure the
rubber mounts are seating evenly in the mount? Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
> I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder if it
is anything to worry about or fix.
>
> The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is supposed to
be off of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a salvage
yard. The engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The observation
is that the rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side that
the other for each mount.
>
> Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was previoulsy
mounted) shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being
focused to a point further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
>
> I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that Cessna
used a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
>
> Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different types of
mount rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers anything to
worry about, or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
>
> Thanks for the opinions.
>
> Bill
> N40WB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Subject:
Re: Dynafocal Rings
Date:
Aug 21, 2003
Bill,
The difference between the 2, is the point at which the extended center line
of each of the holes converge. The most common one and the one you need for
the E2A engine is the type "A". On this mount, the holes converge at a
point which is at the center of gravity of the engine. The other type (B)
is used only on the O-320-B series engines. On this one, the holes converge
at a point in the center of the prop flange.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
> I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder if it
is anything to worry about or fix.
>
> The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is supposed to
be off of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a salvage
yard. The engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The observation
is that the rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side that
the other for each mount.
>
> Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was previoulsy
mounted) shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being
focused to a point further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
>
> I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that Cessna
used a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
>
> Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different types of
mount rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers anything to
worry about, or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
>
> Thanks for the opinions.
>
> Bill
> N40WB
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Jim, From what I can tell, the rubber mounts are down tight. The 7/16" bolts
can pull a lot! The bolts were not unduly difficult to insert, but it did
require a bit of lifting of the engine to get the lower ones in. I found
that I had to insert the top two bolts first and then the lower ones by
raising the case slightly using a hydralic jack. The bolts then went in with
only light tapping with a plastic mallet.
The bolts pulled up snug and all the mating surfaces appear to be in contact
their full diameter. I cannot see into the center of the mount ring, so
there may be some misalignment there. The most visible 'defect' is the
observation that the rubber mounts are not compressed evenly.
I'm pretty sure that the mount was not off of a twin. I got the whole mount
(damaged, but the ring was intact) and so was able to determine that it came
off of a single engine of some type.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Bill, I don't know for sure about the new Cessna's, but the old ones
should
> fit. Maybe they gave you a mount from a twin Comanche, they have a
different
> angle than the E2D. If it is the wrong one, I would think the bolts would
be
> real difficult to get through the holes in the engine. Are you sure the
> rubber mounts are seating evenly in the mount? Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To: ;
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
>
>
> >
> > I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder if it
> is anything to worry about or fix.
> >
> > The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is supposed to
> be off of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a
salvage
> yard. The engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The observation
> is that the rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side that
> the other for each mount.
> >
> > Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was previoulsy
> mounted) shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being
> focused to a point further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
> >
> > I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that
Cessna
> used a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different types
of
> mount rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers anything to
> worry about, or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
> >
> > Thanks for the opinions.
> >
> > Bill
> > N40WB
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Dynafocal Rings
Date:
Aug 22, 2003
Some lord rubber mounts have a set position, like top left side and so on.
Different part numbers for each in a set. Were they used with the mount? Try
matching them up tops and bottoms. Twin Comanche is the only one that I know
of that uses the type 2. You must have the right one, the rubber mounts are
a mixed set. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
> Jim, From what I can tell, the rubber mounts are down tight. The 7/16"
bolts
> can pull a lot! The bolts were not unduly difficult to insert, but it did
> require a bit of lifting of the engine to get the lower ones in. I found
> that I had to insert the top two bolts first and then the lower ones by
> raising the case slightly using a hydralic jack. The bolts then went in
with
> only light tapping with a plastic mallet.
>
> The bolts pulled up snug and all the mating surfaces appear to be in
contact
> their full diameter. I cannot see into the center of the mount ring, so
> there may be some misalignment there. The most visible 'defect' is the
> observation that the rubber mounts are not compressed evenly.
>
> I'm pretty sure that the mount was not off of a twin. I got the whole
mount
> (damaged, but the ring was intact) and so was able to determine that it
came
> off of a single engine of some type.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, I don't know for sure about the new Cessna's, but the old ones
> should
> > fit. Maybe they gave you a mount from a twin Comanche, they have a
> different
> > angle than the E2D. If it is the wrong one, I would think the bolts
would
> be
> > real difficult to get through the holes in the engine. Are you sure the
> > rubber mounts are seating evenly in the mount? Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > To: ;
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder if
it
> > is anything to worry about or fix.
> > >
> > > The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is supposed
to
> > be off of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a
> salvage
> > yard. The engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The
observation
> > is that the rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side
that
> > the other for each mount.
> > >
> > > Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was previoulsy
> > mounted) shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being
> > focused to a point further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
> > >
> > > I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that
> Cessna
> > used a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different
types
> of
> > mount rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers anything
to
> > worry about, or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the opinions.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > N40WB
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Jim, the mounts I used are such that there is a "front" and "back". I
presume that the rubber is stiffer for the part of the mount loaded in
compression. This part goes on the front on the bottom side and on the back
on the top side.
In looking more carefully at the mount, the bottom mounts seem to be
compressed pretty evenly, it is only the top two that are off. And they are
not off by the same amount.
At this point, I see two main possibilities: either the mount ring was made
poorly, or it warped during welding. The tubing shows no distortion and it
seems that if the mount would warp, it would be at the bottom since those
cups are only attached by one side, not two.
I'm still studying the thing and deciding what to do. The plan so far is to
try to look at another cessna mount and see if it shows the same thing. I
probably will leave it and run the engine for a while and see if there is a
problem. I suppose it would be possible to cut out the top two rings and
re-weld them in a better orientation.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
<168x(at)merr.com>
>
> Some lord rubber mounts have a set position, like top left side and so on.
> Different part numbers for each in a set. Were they used with the mount?
Try
> matching them up tops and bottoms. Twin Comanche is the only one that I
know
> of that uses the type 2. You must have the right one, the rubber mounts
are
> a mixed set. Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> To:
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
>
>
>
> >
> > Jim, From what I can tell, the rubber mounts are down tight. The 7/16"
> bolts
> > can pull a lot! The bolts were not unduly difficult to insert, but it
did
> > require a bit of lifting of the engine to get the lower ones in. I found
> > that I had to insert the top two bolts first and then the lower ones by
> > raising the case slightly using a hydralic jack. The bolts then went in
> with
> > only light tapping with a plastic mallet.
> >
> > The bolts pulled up snug and all the mating surfaces appear to be in
> contact
> > their full diameter. I cannot see into the center of the mount ring, so
> > there may be some misalignment there. The most visible 'defect' is the
> > observation that the rubber mounts are not compressed evenly.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the mount was not off of a twin. I got the whole
> mount
> > (damaged, but the ring was intact) and so was able to determine that it
> came
> > off of a single engine of some type.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
> >
> >
> > <168x(at)merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, I don't know for sure about the new Cessna's, but the old ones
> > should
> > > fit. Maybe they gave you a mount from a twin Comanche, they have a
> > different
> > > angle than the E2D. If it is the wrong one, I would think the bolts
> would
> > be
> > > real difficult to get through the holes in the engine. Are you sure
the
> > > rubber mounts are seating evenly in the mount? Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard(at)worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: ;
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Dynafocal Rings
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I've noticed something about the way my engine mounts and I wonder
if
> it
> > > is anything to worry about or fix.
> > > >
> > > > The engine (O-320-E2A) is mounted on a dyafocal ring that is
supposed
> to
> > > be off of a Cessna 172. I got the ring a couple of years ago from a
> > salvage
> > > yard. The engine went on with only the usual difficulties. The
> observation
> > > is that the rubber mounts are compressed unevenly - more on one side
> that
> > > the other for each mount.
> > > >
> > > > Comparing the ring on the Mustang II ( where the engine was
previoulsy
> > > mounted) shows that the angles of the mount pads are different, being
> > > focused to a point further forward on the Cessna mount ring.
> > > >
> > > > I know there are Type I and Type II rings, and I've also read that
> > Cessna
> > > used a different ring on the mount for the new production 172s.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the different
> types
> > of
> > > mount rings? Is the asymetric compression of the mount rubbers
anything
> to
> > > worry about, or do I need to be building a new engine mount?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the opinions.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > N40WB
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Aug 24, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Tailwind discussion group
Subject:
N393RC
New and improved price, $43,500.00.
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Thomas P. Wilson" <twilson(at)clinic.net>
Subject:
Project for sale
Date:
Sep 11, 2003
Hi Russ Ward,
Please send me your snail mail address and I will forward a diskette. Email has
failed 5 times now. Tom Wilson
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 12, 2003
Subject:
Re: Project for sale
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Good Luck......
On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 08:14 PM, Thomas P. Wilson wrote:
>
>
> Hi Russ Ward,
>
> Please send me your snail mail address and I will forward a diskette.
> Email has failed 5 times now. Tom Wilson
>
>
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> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
> _-
> ======================================================================
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
dralle(at)matronics.com (Matt Dralle)
Date:
Sep 15, 2003
Subject:
New SPAM and Virus Filtering Appliance At Matronics...
Dear Listers,
I will be installing a new SPAM and virus blocking appliance this
evening or tomorrow. The installation will involve some changes
in the Matronics DNS MX records, and will impact how incoming
email is handled. While I expect these changes to be transparent
to all of the List subscribers, things might go differently... ;-)
The Lists get bombarded with tons of SPAM messages and viruses
each day and fortunately my custom filters have been extremely
effective at filtering most of this from redistribution. Its
time to move to the next level of technology, however, and this
SPAM and Virus filtering appliance seems like an excellent
solution.
I will post a follow up message later in the week when things
have stabilized and I have some filter statistics to share.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
--
Matt G. Dralle | Matronics | P.O. Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 Voice | 925-606-6281 FAX | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ W.W.W. | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Landing gear
Date:
Sep 16, 2003
I have come across a set of never used tailwind gear legs very well made out
of 4140 steel that I might be able to buy. What should I offer?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Landing gear
Date:
Sep 17, 2003
From:
"Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
Mine new with tail wheel axle included cast me $475.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Landing gear
I have come across a set of never used tailwind gear legs very well made out
of 4140 steel that I might be able to buy. What should I offer?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Christian Bobka" <bobka(at)charter.net>
Subject:
Landing gear
Date:
Sep 17, 2003
thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ruhnke,
Mike
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Landing gear
Mine new with tail wheel axle included cast me $475.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Bobka [mailto:bobka(at)charter.net]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Landing gear
I have come across a set of never used tailwind gear legs very well made out
of 4140 steel that I might be able to buy. What should I offer?
Chris Bobka
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 21, 2003
From:
Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject:
[Please Read] SPAM Filter Could Be Causing Posting Problems
For Some Members...?
Dear Listers,
Matronics is now utilizing a SPAM filter appliance to filter out the
excessive amounts of inappropriate email that bombards the Email List
Forums each day. The filter is reporting that over 66% of the email
messages sent to Matronics email destinations are of SPAM content and
reviewing the logfiles, it would appear to be true. That is indeed great!
While the Lists are enjoying the breath of fresh air afforded by the new
appliance, I am suspecting that a few legitimate email List posts are being
blocked as too, although I can't confirm this. It is difficult to churn
through the logfiles looking though thousands of blocked email messages
trying to determine if any legitimate List posts were blocked.
If you suspect that your posts are accidently being blocked by the SPAM
filter appliance, I have created a new Trouble Report web page that will
allow you to report your problems directly to me without having to use
email. If the SPAM filter is blocking your email address for some reason,
then its likely that I wouldn't be able to receive your direct email
regarding difficulty in posting. The web form bypasses the incoming email
and directs your message directly to me.
Please include as much information as possible regarding the problems you
are having including any bounced email or email error messages that you may
have received back in regard to your posts to the lists. The more
information I have about the email you are sending and what the errors you
are receiving, the better chance I'll have in hunting down the problem.
The Trouble Report Website URL is:
http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report/
I apologize for any inconvenience the SPAM filter may be causing you. I
will work toward resolving your issues as quickly as possible.
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matronics EMail List Administrator
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle(at)matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject:
Test
Date:
Sep 22, 2003
Test message. Is anyone still using this list???
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Test
Date:
Sep 22, 2003
Still here Dallas, JC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Test
>
> Test message. Is anyone still using this list???
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject:
Re: Test
Date:
Sep 22, 2003
Hi Jim:
I was concerned that Matt's new spam eliminator had eliminated everyone
altogether. I guess everyone uses the forum on Yahoo because of the photo
posting.
Glad to know Matronics is still available.
Dallas
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: Test
Date:
Sep 22, 2003
The spam thing is out off hand, it's worse than the commercials on a Nascar
race.
I don't know what went wrong on the Yahoo site but I can't open the pictures
anymore, must be something I screwed up in my settings. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dallas L. Benham" <dlbenham(at)smithville.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Test
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> I was concerned that Matt's new spam eliminator had eliminated everyone
> altogether. I guess everyone uses the forum on Yahoo because of the photo
> posting.
>
> Glad to know Matronics is still available.
>
> Dallas
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
ROTORGUY06(at)aol.com
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Subject:
Re: Test
I look forward to seeing the list postings daily. However, seems that nobody
is "home" lately.
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 22, 2003
Subject:
Re: Test
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
Of course we are...... Yeeehaaaaa!!!
On Monday, September 22, 2003, at 08:25 PM, Dallas L. Benham wrote:
>
>
> Test message. Is anyone still using this list???
>
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/trouble-report
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> >
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Subject:
Test
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
From:
"Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem(at)rayovac.com>
Mike Ruhnke in NW Illinois is still using the list. Fabric is 65% complete!
-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas L. Benham [mailto:dlbenham(at)smithville.net]
Subject: Tailwind-List: Test
Test message. Is anyone still using this list???
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Graham Mitchell <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
Subject:
torque value
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Hello all:
Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
Thanks in advance
Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
Hello all:Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my
prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.Thanks in advanceGraham Mitchell. W10
N12558 ( official now)
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Cy Galley" <cgalley(at)qcbc.org>
Subject:
Re: torque value
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Metal prop extension should be a normal torque for the size bolt. The wood
prop should be torqued using the instruction on the Sensenich wood prop
site...
http://www.sensenichprop.com/sen_html/aircraft_cet/install/installation.html
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
> Hello all:
> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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on classGramE>an 0-320.
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
>
>
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>
>
> style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
Mitchell style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
> N12558 ( official now)
>
>
> 12.0pt'>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
14-16 ft. lbs.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Mitchell [SMTP:gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
>
>
>
> Hello all:
> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>
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>
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>
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>
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Subject:
Re: torque value
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Props are all different. The maker should tell you or placard the prop
itself as to the required torque. If you can't find this out, make sure you
use a full size crush plate and use the standard torques for bolts out of
AC-41. Determine first if you have the 3/8" or 7/16" bolts. Make sure you
use the right nuts too.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
> Hello all:
> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
>
>
>
>
>
>
> name"PersonName"/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Hello all:
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten
my
> prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop
on classGramE>an 0-320.
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>
>
>
> style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
Mitchell style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
> N12558 ( official now)
>
>
> 12.0pt'>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
"Jim and Donna Clement" <168x(at)merr.com>
Subject:
Re: torque value
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
This should be interesting, Malcomb says 14-16 inch pounds. Cy, using the
Forest Products Lab info says 25 inch pounds, I think. Any more ideas? I
tighten them up till it feels right, checked later and it was 20 pounds. Jim
C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
> Hello all:
> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
>
>
>
>
>
>
> name"PersonName"/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Hello all:
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten
my
> prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop
on classGramE>an 0-320.
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
>
>
> font-family:Arial'>
>
>
> style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
Mitchell style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
> N12558 ( official now)
>
>
> 12.0pt'>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________________
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Subject:
Re: torque value
From:
Fred Weaver <Mytyweav(at)flash.net>
I've used 23 to 25 foot pounds for the prop to extension using 7/16
bolts. Each year, I back it off and re-torque it. Any more than that,
you can see the "Crush Plate" crushing into the prop. When using 3/8
bolts, the torque was around 15 to 18 foot pounds.
I just got off the phone with Sensenich. They recommend a torque value
of 175-225 inch pounds (OR 15-18 foot pounds) for 3/8 bolts. If you are
using 7/16 bolts, you use 225-275 inch/lbs.. The important thing here
is like Jim said.... Feel it and watch what the plate is doing to the
prop when you tighten. If you get too carried away (and it's easy to
do) you can squish the wood fibers of the prop.
I think Graham also wants to know the torque value on the Extension to
Crank. There are two different values depending on the diameter of the
bolts. Seems like it was in the neighborhood of 40 - 45 ft/lbs.
Weav
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Jim and Donna Clement
wrote:
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> This should be interesting, Malcomb says 14-16 inch pounds. Cy, using
> the
> Forest Products Lab info says 25 inch pounds, I think. Any more ideas?
> I
> tighten them up till it feels right, checked later and it was 20
> pounds. Jim
> C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
>
>
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop
>> extension
>> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an
>> 0-320.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>>
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> my
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>> shop
> on > classGramE>an 0-320.
>>
>>
>> > font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
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I got my info from Sterba with my prop. To be honest I did mine like Jim,
tighten them up until they feel right.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x(at)merr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> This should be interesting, Malcomb says 14-16 inch pounds. Cy, using the
> Forest Products Lab info says 25 inch pounds, I think. Any more ideas? I
> tighten them up till it feels right, checked later and it was 20 pounds.
> Jim
> C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
>
>
> >
> > Hello all:
> > Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop
> extension
> > and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
> >
> >
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> > > font-family:Arial'>Hello all:
> >
> >
> > > font-family:Arial'>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should
> tighten
> my
> > prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop
> shop
> on > classGramE>an 0-320.
> >
> >
> > > font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > > font-family:Arial'>
> >
> >
> > > style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
> Mitchell > style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
> > N12558 ( official now)
> >
> >
> > > 12.0pt'>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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Date:
Sep 23, 2003
From:
Brian Alley <n320wt(at)yahoo.com>
Subject:
torque value
Don't forget to track the prop after you torque the
bolts and use a torque sequence accross the center
hole. I increase the torque value in 5 lb increments
to insure that they are equal. To track the prop
measure from the aft end of the boot cowl to the tip
of the prop, rotate the engine 180 deg. and measure
the other blade. The measurements should be within
about 1/16" of each other.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
__________________________________
http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
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Date:
Sep 23, 2003
From:
"Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
Subject:
I check for posts daily
Hey Guys,
I'm still finishing my Kolb Firestar(90% done,90% to go.
I've already bought my Tailwind plans over a year ago. I've been picking up "building
Tips" from you guys...but I noticed every one has been at the yahoo forum.
They make you jump through "HOOPS" to get anywhere....Wish I could have
seen the collection of Tailwinds at the 50th aniversary....
Gotta Fly...
Mike in MN
---
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and build your wings on the way down...
Gotta Fly...
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________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Gkb5577(at)aol.com
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
Subject:
Re: : Metal or Alumi Prep
Steven: Saw your forum note. I have discovered that the expensive degreasers
and wax removers are little more than dilute acetone and or MEK (methyl ethyl
ketone) both available in WalMarts (paint section). I even had found some
NOS mint position lights for $2.00 but they were clear---investigated glass
actual 'staining' and found that the process was easy--but the glass had to be
CLEANED. Turns out it was acetone with a bit of distilled water ( the bit of
water gives some 'sink' for some of the types of debris, vs pure acetone. Hope
this helps. Geoff
________________________________________________________________________________
From:
Graham Mitchell <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
Subject:
torque value
Date:
Sep 23, 2003
X_PRIORITY_HIGH
Thank you all for the answers. I am now located at Flabob Riverside CA (rir)
in hanger # 5 right under what looks like an old tower, of course its never
been one but it sure looks like one. Anybody passing through the area please
stop by I am there every Sunday all day.Starting to run out of things to do
and thinking I will have to grow some and fly it someday soon .I am going to
have a local A/P guy give it a good going over of course.
Do not achieve
Graham Mitchell.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Weaver [mailto:Mytyweav(at)flash.net]
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: torque value
I've used 23 to 25 foot pounds for the prop to extension using 7/16
bolts. Each year, I back it off and re-torque it. Any more than that,
you can see the "Crush Plate" crushing into the prop. When using 3/8
bolts, the torque was around 15 to 18 foot pounds.
I just got off the phone with Sensenich. They recommend a torque value
of 175-225 inch pounds (OR 15-18 foot pounds) for 3/8 bolts. If you are
using 7/16 bolts, you use 225-275 inch/lbs.. The important thing here
is like Jim said.... Feel it and watch what the plate is doing to the
prop when you tighten. If you get too carried away (and it's easy to
do) you can squish the wood fibers of the prop.
I think Graham also wants to know the torque value on the Extension to
Crank. There are two different values depending on the diameter of the
bolts. Seems like it was in the neighborhood of 40 - 45 ft/lbs.
Weav
On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 11:07 AM, Jim and Donna Clement
wrote:
> <168x(at)merr.com>
>
> This should be interesting, Malcomb says 14-16 inch pounds. Cy, using
> the
> Forest Products Lab info says 25 inch pounds, I think. Any more ideas?
> I
> tighten them up till it feels right, checked later and it was 20
> pounds. Jim
> C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
> To:
> Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
>
>
>>
>> Hello all:
>> Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop
>> extension
>> and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an
>> 0-320.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>>
>>
>> xmlns:w"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"
> xmlns:st1"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
> xmlns"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > namespaceuri"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
>> name"PersonName"/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > font-family:Arial'>Hello all:
>>
>>
>> > font-family:Arial'>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should
>> tighten
> my
>> prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop
>> shop
> on > classGramE>an 0-320.
>>
>>
>> > font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>> > font-family:Arial'>
>>
>>
>> > style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
> Mitchell> style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
>> N12558 ( official now)
>>
>>
>> > 12.0pt'>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date:
Sep 23, 2003
From:
Rick and Cindy <rcaviate(at)infionline.net>
Subject:
Re: torque value
Felix gave me 20-24 lbs/ft for his prop. This would probably be a good
number for any maple prop.
Rick
N393RC
Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
>
>This should be interesting, Malcomb says 14-16 inch pounds. Cy, using the
>Forest Products Lab info says 25 inch pounds, I think. Any more ideas? I
>tighten them up till it feels right, checked later and it was 20 pounds. Jim
>C
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell(at)coastcomposites.com>
>To:
>Subject: Tailwind-List: torque value
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Hello all:
>>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten my prop extension
>>and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop on an 0-320.
>>Thanks in advance
>>
>>Graham Mitchell. W10 N12558 ( official now)
>>
>>
>>>
>>
>xmlns:w"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"
>xmlns:st1"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
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>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> name"PersonName"/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>font-family:Arial'>Hello all:
>>
>>
>>>font-family:Arial'>Can somebody tell me what torque value I should tighten
>>
>>
>my
>
>
>>prop extension and wooden prop to.I have a 72 x 68 from Woodies prop shop
>>
>>
>on
>
>>classGramE>an 0-320.
>>
>>
>>>font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>>font-family:Arial'>
>>
>>
>>> style'font-size:12.0pt;mso-no-proof:yes'>Graham
>>
>>
>Mitchell
>
>>style'mso-no-proof:yes'>. W10
>>N12558 ( official now)
>>
>>
>>>12.0pt'>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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From:
"Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen(at)horizonaero.com>
Date:
Sep 24, 2003
Mike,
When you get started, I would strongly recommend you talk to Earl Luce about
pre-made frame/fusalage, motor mount,and tail components. He's very
reasonable, does the best of work and will save you a TON of time.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From:
"Mike Pierzina" <planecrazzzy(at)lycos.com>
>
> Hey Guys,
> I'm still finishing my Kolb Firestar(90% done,90% to go.
