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1. 03:26 AM - Re: Marketing research (roll your own annunciator panel) ()
2. 06:07 AM - rivet & rivnut tool (rd2@evenlink.com)
3. 07:18 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
4. 07:53 AM - Re: rivet & rivnut tool (Bob White)
5. 07:56 AM - Re: AeroElectric-List Digest: 45 Msgs - 03/09/06 (Lee Logan)
6. 12:20 PM - Re: Marketing research question Annunciated Parameters List (Jerry2DT@aol.com)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: rivet & rivnut tool (Richard Tasker)
8. 12:47 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Dave Morris \)
9. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated Parameters List (Vern W.)
10. 01:03 PM - rivet & rivnut tool (rd2@evenlink.com)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Brinker)
12. 03:44 PM - Re: rivet & rivnut tool (PJ Seipel)
13. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . (Gordon or Marge Comfort)
14. 06:50 PM - Re: Re: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
15. 06:50 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
16. 11:43 PM - In rush limiters (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
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| Subject: | Re: Marketing research (roll your own annunciator panel) |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com>
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1124/annunciatorpanel0rx.jpg
Here is a thread on how to make your own annunciator:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=5197&page=1&pp=10&highlight=annunciator
Here is vx-aviation annunciator controller:
http://www.vx-aviation.com/page_2.html#IL-4A,%20IL-12A_more
Vx-aviation is coming out with an annunciator panel which looks like:
http://vx-aviation.com/photos/AN-4A_product.jpg
The annunciator lights are modular so you can build up 4 or 12.
At most I would have 3 annunciators:
Volts, Oil P, Boost Pump (if I had discrete lights)
I don't personally need discrete annunciators. I have a GRT EIS 4000,
a brilliant piece of equipment that monitors everything. When I say
everything I mean everything. The EIS-4000 has a master caution
warning light that warns if there is an exceedance (Hi/Lo/Rate of change)
for every parameter of ALL aircraft system's:
(volt's/current/pressure's/flow's/level's/temp's/rpm/map)
This is the warning function works like this (look at bottom):
http://www.grtavionics.com/images/M46_Fig1B.GIF
http://www.grtavionics.com/images/M46_Fig1A.GIF
The only discrete lights the EIS4000 does not annunciate for me
at this time is the alternator's own internal warning light (internal VR).
I used (yellow) for caution.
The only other system light I considered was Fuel Pump - ON (blue).
If I did not have the GRT EIS4000, I would add Oil Pressure (red).
As far as colors this is what Boeing uses.
Red - Warning - requires urgent action to avoid damage
Yellow - Caution - may require action but not as urgent
White - Advisory - system Info (not flight critical / maintenance)
Blue - Normal system state
Cheers George
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| Subject: | rivet & rivnut tool |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
Hello all,
I am considering getting a tool for rivets and rivnuts.
Has anyone used this rivet tool? Any negative/positive feedback?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/360degreerivet.php
Can the above be used also for rivnuts by adding this "installer":
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1845/index.html
Tx
Rumen
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| Subject: | Marketing research question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 09:52 PM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright"
><armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
>Emplace a "push-to-test" spring-loaded button next to the annunciator panel
>that illuminates the chicklets. Then you can verify not just when the
>master initially comes on, but also any time on ground or in flight to
>verify function.
>
>Rob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>Denton
>Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:14 AM
>To: aeroelectric-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
>A couple of minor points, if I may...
>
>Isn't there some sort of "recommended standard" for the colors to be used
>for warning lights and annunciators? I thought I read something about this
>recently, but I can't seem to find a link to the article.
<snip>
>I assume good practice would dictate that all of the annunciator lights
>would be illuminated when the battery master was turned on, then go dark
>following engine start. While this would provide some indication of what
>parameters would be annunciated, would the first-time or occasional pilot
>remember what they were?
>
>None of this may be of any importance whatsoever, but these are the sort of
>questions I would want to see asked anytime anything was being designed...
All good points to ponder, I'll share them with the team.
I'm not sure these discussions will generate a product.
To be sure, there are dozens of starry-eyed entrepreneurs
who hope their ideas will become the next greatest thing.
I think the thrust of our thinking is to address the value of
gathering as much useful data into a small panel space
at the lowest cost. The task isn't so much figuring out how
to push the leading edge. The vast majority of OBAM aircraft
have no formal annunciator panel . . . just a scattering
of lights.
It's a given that modern hardware driven by creative
software can do anything the designer can envision. The
real business trick is to decide what approach will have
the greatest market appeal with the shortest time to market.
Some folks are making a living selling hammers and screwdrivers
while others choose laser levels and radar stud finders.
It's axiomatic that return on investment peaks someplace between
the latest-and-greatest and the best we could do 50 years ago.
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: rivet & rivnut tool |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bob White <bob@bob-white.com>
I've used the rivnut installer you've linked to. After a few uses, the
shaft gets a little buggered up and it doesn't slide back out of the
rivet puller as easily. It seemed like I could really mess it up if I
pulled too tight. I've only installed about 6 or 8 rivnuts with it and
would rate is as usable for a limited number of installations. If I were
going to do a lot of them, I think I would invest in a more expensive
tool.
I use this http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/powerlink30.php
rivet tool. It seems to work OK and I have no complaints about it.
Bob W.
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:59:56 -0500
rd2@evenlink.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering getting a tool for rivets and rivnuts.
>
> Has anyone used this rivet tool? Any negative/positive feedback?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/360degreerivet.php
>
> Can the above be used also for rivnuts by adding this "installer":
>
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1845/index.html
>
> Tx
>
> Rumen
>
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--
http://www.bob-white.com
N93BD - Rotary Powered BD-4 (first engine start 1/7/06)
Custom Cables for your rotary installation -
http://www.roblinphoto.com/shop/
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> Total Messages Posted Thu 03/09/06: 45
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> Today's Message Index:
> ----------------------
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> 1. 05:01 AM - Re: Coolie hat as pointing device (Harley)
> 2. 06:25 AM - Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 3. 06:35 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Mark R Steitle)
> 4. 06:55 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Mike)
> 5. 06:57 AM - Re: Marketing research question Annunciated Parameters
> List (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 6. 06:57 AM - Re: Marketing research question (John Schroeder)
> 7. 07:16 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Bill Denton)
> 8. 07:20 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Brian Lloyd)
> 9. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Brian Lloyd)
> 10. 08:23 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Vern Little)
> 11. 08:23 AM - Heads up on double sided adhesive (Mike Christian)
> 12. 08:29 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Gilles Thesee)
> 13. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Mark R Steitle)
> 14. 09:39 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Jerry Grimmonpre)
> 15. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Bret Smith)
> 16. 10:00 AM - Re: Marketing research question (sportav8r@aol.com)
> 17. 10:12 AM - KMA 24 connector (rd2@evenlink.com)
> 18. 10:20 AM - Re: Coolie hat as pointing device (Bill Dube)
> 19. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters... (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
> 20. 10:45 AM - FWF fire annunciator (was market research) (
> Fiveonepw@aol.com)
> 21. 11:00 AM - Re: FWF fire annunciator (was market research) (
> sportav8r@aol.com)
> 22. 11:05 AM - Re: Marketing research question ()
> 23. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 24. 11:11 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Mickey Coggins)
> 25. 11:11 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 26. 11:13 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 27. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (sportav8r@aol.com)
> 28. 11:20 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 29. 11:24 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 30. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters... (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 31. 11:29 AM - Re: Heads up on double sided adhesive (Robert L.
> Nuckolls, III)
> 32. 11:37 AM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 33. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Kevin Horton)
> 34. 01:07 PM - Re: FWF fire annunciator (was market research) (RV
> Builder (Michael Sausen))
> 35. 01:22 PM - Ray Allen RP3 LED Poaition Indicator (Bill and Marsha)
> 36. 04:10 PM - Re: Ray Allen RP3 LED Position Indicator (Ralph E.
> Capen)
> 37. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Sam Chambers)
> 38. 06:40 PM - Re: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . (Robert L.
> Nuckolls, III)
> 39. 06:40 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 40. 06:49 PM - Re: Re: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List (Robert L. Nuckolls, III)
> 41. 06:52 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 42. 06:54 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 43. 06:55 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert L. Nuckolls,
> III)
> 44. 07:56 PM - Re: Marketing research question (Robert G. Wright)
> 45. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . (D
> Wysong)
>
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> ________________________________ Message
> 1 _____________________________________
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> Time: 05:01:27 AM PST US
> From: Harley <harley@AgelessWings.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Coolie hat as pointing device
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
>
> Morning, Bill...
>
> >>Here is a link to the exact "finger" trackball:<<
>
> Now THAT'S a great little accessory! Can even use that here at the
> desktop!
>
> Did a little search, and found it is offered on several websites for as
> little as $11.95 and as much as $24.95 (its MSRP).
>
> Also found a couple of WIRELESS finger trackball (logitech makes one)
> for a bit more ($30-50)...that sounds like a possibility as well.
>
> Also found this unique little unit...a wireless, rechargeable, RF finger
> trackball! Not sure what's in the handle (probably batteries) but it
> sure looks like the control stick might fit up inside it (at least mine,
> which is still the plans called Long EZ version)...maybe replace the
> batteries with a hard wired modification with the wires through the
> stick? Make a neat looking control stick. Almost Thrustmaster style.
>
> www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=3DFDM-B4D-RF&cat=3DMOU&cpc=3DMAC
>
> Think I'll take a trip around the local stores this morning and see
> what's available here (we have ALL the big stores here in Henrietta
> within a mile or so of each other...Wal-Mart, Sam's, BJ's, Target, Best
> Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, Radio Shack, Sears, Wegman's <G>, etc, etc.)
>
> Harley Dixon
>
>
> Bill Dube wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Dube <
> william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
> >
> >We use trackballs on our airborne instruments. Other pointing devices
> >are hard to use in turbulent air. Touch pads are nearly impossible to
> >use in rough air.
> >
> >Here is a picture of the instrument that I built a couple of years ago
> >on the NOAA WP3 Hurricane Hunter:
> >http://www.al.noaa.gov/2004/photos/P3/13.jpg
> >
> >Notice the tiny track ball in the corner of the laptop tray. You "left
> >click" by pulling the trigger button with your index finger. It is quite
> >comfortable to work the ball with your thumb. Easy to use in rough air
> >as your thumb moves with your hand and the whole mouse moves with your
> >hand too.
> >
> >Here is a link to the exact "finger" trackball:
> >
> http://www.sfcable.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=3DPROD&Product_Code=3DMS4-USB
> >I've seen them for sale at Walmart, but I couldn't find them on their
> >website.
> >
> >I bet you could mount one on top of your control stick. (Be sure to buy
> >a spare. They are not ultra high quality.) We held ours in place with
> >Velcro. You can see how your hand could grip the stick while working the
> >trackball by looking at the picture in the advertisement. Just photoshop
> >a control stick in. :*)
> >
> > Bill Dube'
> >
> >Harold wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" <kayce33@earthlink.net
> >
> >>
> >>Re pointing device, How about a Logitech Track ball, USB plug one hand
> >>operation.
> >>Thumb moves the ball, index finger left click or wheel, and middle
> finger
> >>right click .
> >>I gave up on the notebook touch pad, and this goes where the notebook
> >>goes...wouldn't be without it
> >>Harold
> >>
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> Time: 06:25:25 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 3 _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 06:35:27 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
> From: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <
> mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Bob,
> Running a liquid cooled rotary, I would add:
> Coolant Temp,
> Coolant Pres,
> Coolant Low, and also
> Oil Temp.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:21 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 4 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:55:55 AM PST US
> From: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
>
> I know that these functions are not as common on most airplanes, but I
> have them and they could mean the difference. Speed Brakes, Ram Air
> Open, Gear Pump On, (Continental Engines and the New ECI fuel system for
> Lycomings - you don't want the pump left on in normal use - "Fuel Pump
> On")
>
> Food for thought, the Advanced Flight Systems AF-2500 has an intergraded
> customizable electronic warning system with audio built into the engine
> system package. Over the last three years I have worked with 30 plus
> owners and all seem to like this type of system. This has prompted an
> engineer friend of mine at Honeywell to come up with a LCD digital stand
> alone annunciator system. If you would like I'll keep you posted on his
> progress.
>
> Mike
>
> Lancair Legacy
> TS-11
> Kitfox
> A-320
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:21 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> --
> 1/16/2006
>
>
> --
> 1/16/2006
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 5 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:57:18 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> The wish list now stands at:
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
> Coolant Temp
> Coolant Pres
> Coolant Low
> Oil Temp
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 6 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:57:50 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
> From: "John Schroeder" <jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder" <
> jschroeder@perigee.net>
>
> Bob -
>
> I would add:
>
> Boost Pump
> Baggage Door
> Ground Power
> Starter Engaged
> Crossfeed
>
>
> On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:20:59 -0600, Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
>
>
> --
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 7 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:16:12 AM PST US
> From: "Bill Denton" <bdenton@bdenton.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <
> bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> A couple of minor points, if I may...
>
> Isn't there some sort of "recommended standard" for the colors to be used
> for warning lights and annunciators? I thought I read something about this
> recently, but I can't seem to find a link to the article.
>
> Regarding the "dead front" design, let me mention a usability issue from
> the
> computer field that might or might not be relevant in the aviation world:
>
> Consider a computer program with two "screens". When you are on one
> screen,
> you can both "Print" and "Save" data, and there are "buttons" at the top
> of
> the screen that allow you to accomplish this. But on the second page, you
> can only "Print" the data. Common sense would dictate that since you
> can't
> save information on the second page, there would be no need to display a
> "Save" button; only a "Print" button would be required.
>
> But we determined that users preferred to also have a "Save" button on the
> second page, even though it was disabled and non-functional. A consistent
> button layout provided more usability than a design in which buttons
> appeared and disappeared, which tended to confuse users.
>
> Again, I don't know if this is relevant in the aircraft world, but it
> might
> be worth considering.
>
> One other point regarding the "dead front" design: What about the
> first-time
> or occasional flyer of the airplane? How would they know which parameters
> were annunciated, and which would need to be monitored via a gauge or
> other
> indicator?
>
> I assume good practice would dictate that all of the annunciator lights
> would be illuminated when the battery master was turned on, then go dark
> following engine start. While this would provide some indication of what
> parameters would be annunciated, would the first-time or occasional pilot
> remember what they were?
>
> None of this may be of any importance whatsoever, but these are the sort
> of
> questions I would want to see asked anytime anything was being designed...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
> L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:21 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 8 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:20:44 AM PST US
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
>
> You know, I installed an OAT warning in my RV-4 to let me know when the
> OAT dropped below 0C. It turned out to be a huge annoyance as it would
> go off whether or not there was any chance for ice. And when there was a
> chance of ice and temps below 0C, I already knew without the warning.
>
> This tells me that an OAT warning is not particularly useful. Kind of
> like an ELT: 100 false alarms for one useful alarm.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 9 _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:33:05 AM PST US
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > The wish list now stands at:
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> > Coolant Temp
> > Coolant Pres
> > Coolant Low
> > Oil Temp
>
> Bob, the most useful thing I had in my RV-4 was aural alerting. I had
> the Audio Flight Avionics engine monitor. It was the most useful engine
> and systems monitor I have ever used. The key was that all alerts were
> in a pleasant female voice. I looked at the panel to manipulate engine
> settings, e.g. MAP (throttel), RPM (prop), EGT (mixture), CHT, but I
> didn't bother to display anything else full-time. (I could ask the unit
> to display any parameter at any time.) The rest of the time I would rely
> on the aural alerting.
>
> I didn't need to look inside for anything having to do with operating
> the airplane in VFR conditions. If there was a problem, it would tell me
> with a message like:
>
> "Warning, cylinder head temperature high" (lower the nose or reduce
> power),
>
> "Warning, fuel pressure low" (oops, I forgot to switch tanks),
>
> In an airplane with a fixed-pitch prop I might get, "Warning, engine RPM
> high," while doing acro so I would know to retard the throttle.
>
> So if you decide to build this, throw in the aural warning. Memory in
> cheap in microprocessors these days so we record the warnings. Men can
> have the sexy woman's voice and women can have the sexy guy's voice. ;-)
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
> brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 10 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:23:08 AM PST US
> From: Vern Little <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Vern Little <
> rv-9a-online@telus.net>
>
> Bob: I've looked at this problem extensively in the past, and developed
> several annunciator products, and have a few more on the drawing board.
>
> In my opinion, no matter what you choose, someone will always require
> something different than you make. If you end up being totally general
> purpose, then you may wish to consider a color LCD screen as an
> annunciator display.
>
> This has it's drawbacks too-- many people like discrete lamps.
>
> NKK makes some (very expensive) backlit LCD switches/displays. You can
> display legends or messages on a small (about 1"x1") display, and have
> the option of incorporating a mute/acknowledge switch built into the
> display.
>
> Of course, by the time you are done, this will cost more than some
> electronic engine monitors... which are well positioned as annunciator
> displays (given enough inputs).
>
> I also looked at customization at build time... programming inputs and
> legends. This is a very expensive (and error prone) process. If you
> can make everything field programmable by the end user, it will be
> easier and cheaper in the long term.
>
> Finally, as you (unfortunately) know, the Experimental aircraft market
> is too small to justify expensive custom tooling and software
> development, so it's nice to piggy back on other markets (like
> industrial control). Of course... you need entirely different input
> and legend requirements.... oh well!
>
> Good luck with this project, I hope they find the recipe for success.
>
> Vern Little
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> > El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> > They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> > whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> > the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> > trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
> >
> > A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> > would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> > both fabrication and software that would make the product
> > highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> > are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> > the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> > is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> > when not illuminated.
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 11 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:23:09 AM PST US
> From: "Mike Christian" <mchristian@canetics.com>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Heads up on double sided adhesive
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Christian" <
> mchristian@canetics.com>
>
> One very strong adhesive tape we use is 3M VHB (for Very High Bond). It
> is
> great for metal to metal bonding (and just about anything else). I was
> told
> that it is used to bond wing skins to ribs in some aircraft applications.
> It is very thin too...
>
> www.3m.com/vhb
>
> Mike
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 12 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:29:49 AM PST US
> From: Gilles Thesee <Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Gilles Thesee <
> Gilles.Thesee@ac-grenoble.fr>
>
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III a crit :
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> >I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> >El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> >They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> >whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> >the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> >trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
> >
> >A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> >would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> >both fabrication and software that would make the product
> >highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> >are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> >the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> >is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> >when not illuminated.
> >
> >Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> >points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> >and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> >Main Volts Lo
> >Aux Volts Lo
> >Left Fuel Lo
> >Right Fuel Lo
> >Oil Pres Lo
> >Canopy Latch
> >OAT Warn
> >Pitot Heat
> >
> >
>
> Hi Bob and all,
>
> In our project, we have two Rotax specific lights :
>
> Overboost (red)
> Turbo (control malfunction) (yellow)
>
> I also included
> Boost pump ON (white)
> Flaps down (white)
>
> Coolant pressure would be great, too.
>
> FWIW,
> Regards,
> Gilles Thesee
> Grenoble, France
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 13 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:33:17 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
> From: "Mark R Steitle" <mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle" <
> mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
>
> Bob,
> This seems a good time to bring this up. My Chevy p/u has a cool little
> "message center" that tells me that its time to change oil, or that the
> cargo light is on, etc. It is about 1.5" square. I was wondering if it
> would be possible to adapt this to experimental a/c use as a compact
> annunciator? I don't have a clue as to how it works, but I thought that
> it may be possible to get one from GM, or out of a wreck, and then
> program a PIC to provide customized alerts for various things of
> interest. It appears to use some sort of LED panel with yellow
> lettering. So, does this sound plausible? Has anyone on the list done
> this? Am I nuts?
>
> Mark S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robert L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:57 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> The wish list now stands at:
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
> Coolant Temp
> Coolant Pres
> Coolant Low
> Oil Temp
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 14 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:39:21 AM PST US
> From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
>
> Bob ...
> How about only one small LCD the size of single display light ... When a
> warning is announced, it is displayed. If there's more than one warning
> the
> LCD scrolls to display when the acknowledge button is pressed. The
> ackowledge button would also change the color of the displyed item until
> that item is dealt with. I think a simple aural tone would be enough to
> get
> attention. The aural tone would end with pushing the acknowledge button.
> This single display would fit all panels and be cheap to produce.
> My 2 cents ...
> Jerry Grimmonpre'
> RV8A
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 15 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:48:59 AM PST US
> From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
>
> How about a simple "Master ON" reminder?
>
> Bret
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:56 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> > <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > The wish list now stands at:
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> > Coolant Temp
> > Coolant Pres
> > Coolant Low
> > Oil Temp
> >
> >
> > Bob . . .
> >
> >
> > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> > < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> > < with experiment. >
> > < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Bob . . .
> >
> >
> > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> > < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> > < with experiment. >
> > < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 16 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:00:50 AM PST US
> From: sportav8r@aol.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> Sensors might be difficult, but the inputs I'd need most often are things
> like:
> Tiedowns still tied; Pitot cover left on; Passenger exceeds allowable
> weight
> or girth limits; canopy ajar; cowl plugs still in; bad wx decision; Center
> freq.
> selected for air-air chit-chat; seafood cooler leakage.
>
> On a serious note, how about a FWF fire annunciator?
>
> -Bill B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Sent: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 08:20:59 -0600
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 17 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:12:43 AM PST US
> From: rd2@evenlink.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: KMA 24 connector
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
> Can anyone point me to a source for a KMA 24 audio panel connector and
> pins?
>
> Thanks
> Rumen
>
>
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>
> Time: 10:20:52 AM PST US
> From: Bill Dube <william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Coolie hat as pointing device
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Dube <
> william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
>
> Perhaps you could buy both the wired and wireless finger mice, then swap
> the guts. This would give you the nifty case that would fit perfectly on
> the top of the stick, but without having to deal with the wireless stuff
> or battery replacement/substitution.
>
> Bill Dube'
>
> Harley wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Harley <harley@agelesswings.com>
> >
> >Morning, Bill...
> >
> > >>Here is a link to the exact "finger" trackball:<<
> >
> >Now THAT'S a great little accessory! Can even use that here at the
> desktop!
> >
> >Did a little search, and found it is offered on several websites for as
> >little as $11.95 and as much as $24.95 (its MSRP).
> >
> >Also found a couple of WIRELESS finger trackball (logitech makes one)
> >for a bit more ($30-50)...that sounds like a possibility as well.
> >
> >Also found this unique little unit...a wireless, rechargeable, RF finger
> >trackball! Not sure what's in the handle (probably batteries) but it
> >sure looks like the control stick might fit up inside it (at least mine,
> >which is still the plans called Long EZ version)...maybe replace the
> >batteries with a hard wired modification with the wires through the
> >stick? Make a neat looking control stick. Almost Thrustmaster style.
> >
> >www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=3DFDM-B4D-RF&cat=3DMOU&cpc=3DMAC
> >
> >Think I'll take a trip around the local stores this morning and see
> >what's available here (we have ALL the big stores here in Henrietta
> >within a mile or so of each other...Wal-Mart, Sam's, BJ's, Target, Best
> >Buy, CompUSA, Circuit City, Radio Shack, Sears, Wegman's <G>, etc, etc.)
> >
> >Harley Dixon
> >
> >
> >Bill Dube wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Bill Dube <
> william.p.dube@noaa.gov>
> >>
> >>We use trackballs on our airborne instruments. Other pointing devices
> >>are hard to use in turbulent air. Touch pads are nearly impossible to
> >>use in rough air.
> >>
> >>Here is a picture of the instrument that I built a couple of years ago
> >>on the NOAA WP3 Hurricane Hunter:
> >>http://www.al.noaa.gov/2004/photos/P3/13.jpg
> >>
> >>Notice the tiny track ball in the corner of the laptop tray. You "left
> >>click" by pulling the trigger button with your index finger. It is quite
> >>comfortable to work the ball with your thumb. Easy to use in rough air
> >>as your thumb moves with your hand and the whole mouse moves with your
> >>hand too.
> >>
> >>Here is a link to the exact "finger" trackball:
> >>
> http://www.sfcable.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=3DPROD&Product_Code=3DMS4-USB
> >>I've seen them for sale at Walmart, but I couldn't find them on their
> >>website.
> >>
> >>I bet you could mount one on top of your control stick. (Be sure to buy
> >>a spare. They are not ultra high quality.) We held ours in place with
> >>Velcro. You can see how your hand could grip the stick while working the
> >>trackball by looking at the picture in the advertisement. Just photoshop
> >>a control stick in. :*)
> >>
> >> Bill Dube'
> >>
> >>Harold wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Harold" <
> kayce33@earthlink.net>
> >>>
> >>>Re pointing device, How about a Logitech Track ball, USB plug one hand
> >>>operation.
> >>>Thumb moves the ball, index finger left click or wheel, and middle
> finger
> >>>right click .
> >>>I gave up on the notebook touch pad, and this goes where the notebook
> >>>goes...wouldn't be without it
> >>>Harold
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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>
> Time: 10:41:07 AM PST US
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters...
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/9/06 10:47:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> nuckollsr@cox.net writes:
>
> > The wish list now stands at:
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> > Coolant Temp
> > Coolant Pres
> > Coolant Low
> > Oil Temp
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> My annunciator features a FLAPS indicator that is on whenever the flaps
> are
> not all the way up- has proven useful several times, particularly when
> going
> around. Also think OAT might be annoying unless smart enough to x-check
> humidity. An EIS light would be useful for all those folks using these
> engine
>
> monitors...
>
> Mark Phillips do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 20 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 10:45:49 AM PST US
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/9/06 12:05:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> sportav8r@aol.com writes:
>
> > On a serious note, how about a FWF fire annunciator?
> >
> >>>>>
>
> Has anyone considered or tried a thermocouple centered on the cowl outlet
> to
> monitor air temp? An AUX channel on EIS could monitor sensor with upper
> limit
>
> setting at some value above normal ops to possibly serve this purpose...
>
> Mark do not archive
>
>
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> 21 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:00:56 AM PST US
> From: sportav8r@aol.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> My thought s have been toward a combo of overtemp sensor (as you suggest),
> either
> in series or parallel with an arrangement where a cotton thread holds open
> a spring-loaded N.C. plunger-type microswitch. In theory, the flame parts
> the
> thread and closes the switch, whereas high temps alone would not trip
> it. Cotton
> thread would probably be a frequent replacement item, though, in that
> oily,
> hot, and vibration-filled environment, and easily broken during engine
> maintenance
> chores. I have not installed anything like this in my RV, but have given
> it some thought.
>
> -Bill B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:44:31 EST
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/9/06 12:05:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> sportav8r@aol.com writes:
>
> > On a serious note, how about a FWF fire annunciator?
> >
> >>>>>
>
> Has anyone considered or tried a thermocouple centered on the cowl outlet
> to
> monitor air temp? An AUX channel on EIS could monitor sensor with upper
> limit
>
> setting at some value above normal ops to possibly serve this purpose...
>
> Mark do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 22 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:05:46 AM PST US
> From: <bob@flyboybob.com>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bob@flyboybob.com>
>
> Electric Bob asked:
> << From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear? >>
>
> My addition would be landing gear up and throttle > 1/3.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob Lee
> KR2 N52BL Suwanee, GA
> 91% done only 63% to go!
>
>
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> 23 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:10:16 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> Annunciated
> Parameters List
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters List
>
> At 12:43 PM 3/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
> >
> >How about a simple "Master ON" reminder?
>
> If you have active notification of low voltage (your primary
> electrical system monitoring function), the it's already
> jumping up and down right after the alternator is shut down
> and/or the engine stops.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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> 24 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:11:29 AM PST US
> From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <
> mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> >
>
> Bob,
>
> You've gotten some great feedback already. Trio Avionics
> is using an LCD switch that has text that changes.
>
> http://www.trioavionics.com/alt_hold.htm
>
> Here's Paul Dye's home grown annunciator panel:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=3D5197
>
> Whatever you do, I'd recommend leaving the labels open
> for the builder to set them however they like. Clear
> label makers with reverse text output work great for this.
>
> Also, Vern's got some nice products here:
>
> http://www.vx-aviation.com/page_2.html
>
> Here's what I'm planning:
>
> Engine Computer Warning
> Fuel Pressure Low
> Aux Fuel Pump On
> OVP Active
> Low Coolant
> EIS Warning
>
> The EIS Warning is linked to the GRT Avionics EIS 4000,
> and it is monitoring lots of stuff.
>
> Best regards,
> Mickey
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 finishing
>
>
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> 25 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:11:51 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 11:37 AM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net
> >
> >
> >Bob ...
> >How about only one small LCD the size of single display light ... When
> a
> >warning is announced, it is displayed. If there's more than one warning
> the
> >LCD scrolls to display when the acknowledge button is pressed. The
> >ackowledge button would also change the color of the displyed item until
> >that item is dealt with. I think a simple aural tone would be enough to
> get
> >attention. The aural tone would end with pushing the acknowledge button.
> >This single display would fit all panels and be cheap to produce.
> >My 2 cents ...
> >Jerry Grimmonpre'
>
> We talked about this . . . but sunlight viewabel LCD's are
> still pretty pricey compared to an epoxy casting
> full of LED which are getting cheaper daily.
>
> . . . and certainly, new warnings would flash and deliver
> a warning tone. When a button is pushed, flashing and tone
> stops.
>
> Bob. . .
>
>
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>
> Time: 11:13:37 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> Annunciated
> Parameters List
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
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> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters List
>
> At 11:27 AM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
> ><mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
> >
> >Bob,
> >This seems a good time to bring this up. My Chevy p/u has a cool little
> >"message center" that tells me that its time to change oil, or that the
> >cargo light is on, etc. It is about 1.5" square. I was wondering if it
> >would be possible to adapt this to experimental a/c use as a compact
> >annunciator? I don't have a clue as to how it works, but I thought that
> >it may be possible to get one from GM, or out of a wreck, and then
> >program a PIC to provide customized alerts for various things of
> >interest. It appears to use some sort of LED panel with yellow
> >lettering. So, does this sound plausible? Has anyone on the list done
> >this? Am I nuts?
>
> Not at all. In fact, this is the wave of the future.
> We keep watching it. At the present time it doesn't
> fit our $time$ to market model.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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> 27 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:20:03 AM PST US
> From: sportav8r@aol.com
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated
> Parameters List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> This sounds like the button that Trio uses in my altitude hold :-)
>
> Slick little item.
>
> -BB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Sent: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 13:13:30 -0600
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net> Annunciated Parameters List
>
> At 11:27 AM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mark R Steitle"
> ><mark.steitle@austin.utexas.edu>
> >
> >Bob,
> >This seems a good time to bring this up. My Chevy p/u has a cool little
> >"message center" that tells me that its time to change oil, or that the
> >cargo light is on, etc. It is about 1.5" square. I was wondering if it
> >would be possible to adapt this to experimental a/c use as a compact
> >annunciator? I don't have a clue as to how it works, but I thought that
> >it may be possible to get one from GM, or out of a wreck, and then
> >program a PIC to provide customized alerts for various things of
> >interest. It appears to use some sort of LED panel with yellow
> >lettering. So, does this sound plausible? Has anyone on the list done
> >this? Am I nuts?
>
> Not at all. In fact, this is the wave of the future.
> We keep watching it. At the present time it doesn't
> fit our $time$ to market model.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 28 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 11:20:03 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters List
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated
> Parameters List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters List
>
>
> >
> >So if you decide to build this, throw in the aural warning. Memory in
> >cheap in microprocessors these days so we record the warnings. Men can
> >have the sexy woman's voice and women can have the sexy guy's voice. ;-)
>
> That's been discussed. The voice chips are plentiful and capable.
> It's a big delta $time$ for development but the idea is still
> in the pot.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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> 29 ____________________________________
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>
> Time: 11:24:01 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:13 AM 3/9/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <
> bdenton@bdenton.com>
> >
> >A couple of minor points, if I may...
> >
> >Isn't there some sort of "recommended standard" for the colors to be used
> >for warning lights and annunciators? I thought I read something about
> this
> >recently, but I can't seem to find a link to the article.
>
> Yes. We use the "accepted/approved" colors for such things out
> at RAC . . . but picking colors will be a trivial concern
> and highly customizable.
>
>
> >One other point regarding the "dead front" design: What about the
> first-time
> >or occasional flyer of the airplane? How would they know which parameters
> >were annunciated, and which would need to be monitored via a gauge or
> other
> >indicator?
>
> Press-to-test and power-up reset lights all the lights.
>
> >I assume good practice would dictate that all of the annunciator lights
> >would be illuminated when the battery master was turned on, then go dark
> >following engine start. While this would provide some indication of what
> >parameters would be annunciated, would the first-time or occasional pilot
> >remember what they were?
> >
> >None of this may be of any importance whatsoever, but these are the sort
> of
> >questions I would want to see asked anytime anything was being
> designed...
>
> Good food for thought. Thanks!
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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> 30 ____________________________________
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>
> Time: 11:26:49 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> Annunciated
> Parameters...
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters...
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters...
>
>
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> >My annunciator features a FLAPS indicator that is on whenever the flaps
> are
> >not all the way up- has proven useful several times, particularly when
> going
> >around. Also think OAT might be annoying unless smart enough to x-check
> >humidity. An EIS light would be useful for all those folks using these
> >engine
> >monitors...
>
> Okay . . . it's been added.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
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>
> Time: 11:29:18 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Heads up on double sided adhesive
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:23 AM 3/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike Christian"
> ><mchristian@canetics.com>
> >
> >One very strong adhesive tape we use is 3M VHB (for Very High Bond). It
> is
> >great for metal to metal bonding (and just about anything else). I was
> told
> >that it is used to bond wing skins to ribs in some aircraft applications.
> >It is very thin too...
> >
> >www.3m.com/vhb
>
> I'm familiar with these products. We use them in various
> places around RAC.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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> 32 ____________________________________
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>
> Time: 11:37:16 AM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 08:18 AM 3/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Vern Little <
> rv-9a-online@telus.net>
> >
> >Bob: I've looked at this problem extensively in the past, and developed
> >several annunciator products, and have a few more on the drawing board.
> >
> >In my opinion, no matter what you choose, someone will always require
> >something different than you make. If you end up being totally general
> >purpose, then you may wish to consider a color LCD screen as an
> >annunciator display.
>
> We're targeting the middle market with a goal
> of minimizing costs (and of course, development
> time).
>
>
> >This has it's drawbacks too-- many people like discrete lamps.
> >
> >NKK makes some (very expensive) backlit LCD switches/displays. You can
> >display legends or messages on a small (about 1"x1") display, and have
> >the option of incorporating a mute/acknowledge switch built into the
> >display.
> >
> >Of course, by the time you are done, this will cost more than some
> >electronic engine monitors... which are well positioned as annunciator
> >displays (given enough inputs).
>
> Yup . . .
>
>
> >I also looked at customization at build time... programming inputs and
> >legends. This is a very expensive (and error prone) process. If you
> >can make everything field programmable by the end user, it will be
> >easier and cheaper in the long term.
>
> Yes. One version would have a USB port and a graphical
> user interface for user programming of certain parameters.
> Of course, with lamps, the legends are harder to change
> but it's a peel-off overlay. We could fabricate a new
> one pretty reasonably.
>
>
> >Finally, as you (unfortunately) know, the Experimental aircraft market
> >is too small to justify expensive custom tooling and software
> >development, so it's nice to piggy back on other markets (like
> >industrial control). Of course... you need entirely different input
> >and legend requirements.... oh well!
>
> I'm not sure that's so much of a roadblock. $time$ to market
> for certified ships is going up exponentially with new no-value-added-
> requirements and labor being added each year. My team of skunk-works
> guys
> can wear a lot of hats and don't need to satisfy anyone but me
> and my customers . . .
>
>
> >Good luck with this project, I hope they find the recipe for success.
>
> Thanks for sharing . . .
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
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>
>
> Time: 01:05:42 PM PST US
> From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
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>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <
> khorton01@rogers.com>
>
> Fuel Pres Lo
> Engine (output from an engine monitor, to tell you to look at it to
> see what problem it has found).
>
> Kevin Horton
>
> On 9 Mar 2006, at 09:56, Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> > <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > The wish list now stands at:
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> > Coolant Temp
> > Coolant Pres
> > Coolant Low
> > Oil Temp
> >
> >
>
>
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>
> Time: 01:07:44 PM PST US
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
> From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <
> rvbuilder@sausen.net>
>
> Someone mentioned this once before (Eric maybe) but you could use one of
> these
> puppies for flame detection.
>
> <http://www.superdroidrobots.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=3D3D121>
>
>
> Michael Sausen
>
> RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> sportav8r@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: sportav8r@aol.com
>
> My thought s have been toward a combo of overtemp sensor (as you suggest),
> either
> in series or parallel with an arrangement where a cotton thread holds open
> a spring-loaded N.C. plunger-type microswitch. In theory, the flame parts
> the
> thread and closes the switch, whereas high temps alone would not trip
> it. Cotton
> thread would probably be a frequent replacement item, though, in that
> oily,
> hot, and vibration-filled environment, and easily broken during engine
> maintenance
> chores. I have not installed anything like this in my RV, but have given
> it some thought.
>
> -Bill B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
> Sent: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:44:31 EST
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: FWF fire annunciator (was market research)
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Fiveonepw@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 3/9/06 12:05:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> sportav8r@aol.com
> writes:
>
> > On a serious note, how about a FWF fire annunciator?
> >
> >>>>>
>
> Has anyone considered or tried a thermocouple centered on the cowl outlet
> to monitor
> air temp? An AUX channel on EIS could monitor sensor with upper limit
> setting
> at some value above normal ops to possibly serve this purpose...
>
> Mark do not archive
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 35 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 01:22:35 PM PST US
> From: "Bill and Marsha" <docyukon@ptcnet.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen RP3 LED Poaition Indicator
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill and Marsha" <
> docyukon@ptcnet.net>
>
> I have a rac rp3 indicator that I would like to use as a flap position
> indicator.
> Can anyone tell me the color code of the six wires. And the resistance
> needed
> for the feedback ckt? Bill S.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 36 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:10:48 PM PST US
> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen RP3 LED Position Indicator
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <
> recapen@earthlink.net>
>
> They make an indicator sender too I've got one just for that purpose.
>
> My documentation is at the hangar - but it may be on their website......
>
> Get me off-list if you need more info
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill and Marsha" <docyukon@ptcnet.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 3:39 PM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Ray Allen RP3 LED Poaition Indicator
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill and Marsha"
> > <docyukon@ptcnet.net>
> >
> > I have a rac rp3 indicator that I would like to use as a flap position
> > indicator. Can anyone tell me the color code of the six wires. And the
> > resistance needed for the feedback ckt? Bill S.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 37 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:21:27 PM PST US
> From: "Sam Chambers" <schamber@glasgow-ky.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Sam Chambers" <
> schamber@glasgow-ky.com>
>
> gear
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 8:56 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question Annunciated
> Parameters List
>
>
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> > <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
> >
> > The wish list now stands at:
> >
> > Main Volts Lo
> > Aux Volts Lo
> > Left Fuel Lo
> > Right Fuel Lo
> > Oil Pres Lo
> > Canopy Latch
> > OAT Warn
> > Pitot Heat
> > Coolant Temp
> > Coolant Pres
> > Coolant Low
> > Oil Temp
> >
> >
> > Bob . . .
> >
> >
> > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> > < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> > < with experiment. >
> > < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Bob . . .
> >
> >
> > < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> > < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> > < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> > < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> > < with experiment. >
> > < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 38 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:40:25 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . .
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> The wish list now stands at:
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
> Coolant Temp
> Coolant Pres
> Coolant Low
> Oil Temp
> Turbo (control malfunction) (yellow)
> Boost pump ON (white)
> Fire
> Flaps Warn
> Fuel Pump ON
> Starter engaged
> P-Mag Maint
> Prop Overspeed
> Gear extension Warning
> Nose Gear
> Lt Mn Gear
> Rt Mn Gear
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> --
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 39 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:40:25 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 02:08 PM 3/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: <bob@flyboybob.com>
> >
> >Electric Bob asked:
> ><< From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> >points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> >and/or blow in your ear? >>
> >
> >My addition would be landing gear up and throttle > 1/3.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Bob Lee
> >KR2 N52BL Suwanee, GA
> >91% done only 63% to go!
>
>
> Good one.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 40 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:49:03 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net> Annunciated
> Parameters List
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question
> Annunciated Parameters
> List
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Annunciated Parameters List
>
> At 04:01 PM 3/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <
> khorton01@rogers.com>
> >
> >Fuel Pres Lo
> >Engine (output from an engine monitor, to tell you to look at it to
> >see what problem it has found).
>
> Another good one. I'll add it.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 41 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:52:59 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 07:19 AM 3/9/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com
> >
> >
> >Robert L. Nuckolls, III wrote:
> >
> > > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > > and/or blow in your ear?
> > >
> > > Main Volts Lo
> > > Aux Volts Lo
> > > Left Fuel Lo
> > > Right Fuel Lo
> > > Oil Pres Lo
> > > Canopy Latch
> > > OAT Warn
> > > Pitot Heat
> >
> >You know, I installed an OAT warning in my RV-4 to let me know when the
> >OAT dropped below 0C. It turned out to be a huge annoyance as it would
> >go off whether or not there was any chance for ice. And when there was a
> >chance of ice and temps below 0C, I already knew without the warning.
> >
> >This tells me that an OAT warning is not particularly useful. Kind of
> >like an ELT: 100 false alarms for one useful alarm.
>
> Good data point. Now an active ice detector . . .
>
> I did some experimenting a few years ago with piezo-electric
> speaker-disks. Rigged them up in an oscillator circuit where
> the electrical/mass characteristics of the disk determined
> frequency. Any addition of mass to the disk (ice accretion)
> dropped the frequency or killed the oscillation entirely.
>
> That project never bubbled up to the top of the IR&D interest
> list. The last concept was fragile and not terribly esthetic either.
> It was a rather strange looking projection from a leading edge
> although mounting it on the vertical fin seemed least likely
> to offend.
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
> >--
> >Brian Lloyd 361 Catterline Way
> >brian-yak at lloyd dot com Folsom, CA 95630
> >+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >
> >I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> >- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 42 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:54:06 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 09:57 AM 3/9/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "John Schroeder"
> ><jschroeder@perigee.net>
> >
> >Bob -
> >
> >I would add:
> >
> >Boost Pump
> >Baggage Door
> >Ground Power
> >Starter Engaged
> >Crossfeed
>
> Good.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 43 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:55:42 PM PST US
> From: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> At 07:54 AM 3/9/2006 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Mike" <mlas@cox.net>
> >
> >I know that these functions are not as common on most airplanes, but I
> >have them and they could mean the difference. Speed Brakes, Ram Air
> >Open, Gear Pump On, (Continental Engines and the New ECI fuel system for
> >Lycomings - you don't want the pump left on in normal use - "Fuel Pump
> >On")
> >
> >Food for thought, the Advanced Flight Systems AF-2500 has an intergraded
> >customizable electronic warning system with audio built into the engine
> >system package. Over the last three years I have worked with 30 plus
> >owners and all seem to like this type of system. This has prompted an
> >engineer friend of mine at Honeywell to come up with a LCD digital stand
> >alone annunciator system. If you would like I'll keep you posted on his
> >progress.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Sure! One needs to keep their friends close and their competition
> closer . . . but then we're all friends here. It would be interesting
> to hear of any insights that can be shared.
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 44 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:56:48 PM PST US
> From: "Robert G. Wright" <armywrights@adelphia.net>
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert G. Wright" <
> armywrights@adelphia.net>
>
> Emplace a "push-to-test" spring-loaded button next to the annunciator
> panel
> that illuminates the chicklets. Then you can verify not just when the
> master initially comes on, but also any time on ground or in flight to
> verify function.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
> Denton
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:14 AM
> Subject: RE: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Bill Denton" <
> bdenton@bdenton.com>
>
> A couple of minor points, if I may...
>
> Isn't there some sort of "recommended standard" for the colors to be used
> for warning lights and annunciators? I thought I read something about this
> recently, but I can't seem to find a link to the article.
>
> Regarding the "dead front" design, let me mention a usability issue from
> the
> computer field that might or might not be relevant in the aviation world:
>
> Consider a computer program with two "screens". When you are on one
> screen,
> you can both "Print" and "Save" data, and there are "buttons" at the top
> of
> the screen that allow you to accomplish this. But on the second page, you
> can only "Print" the data. Common sense would dictate that since you
> can't
> save information on the second page, there would be no need to display a
> "Save" button; only a "Print" button would be required.
>
> But we determined that users preferred to also have a "Save" button on the
> second page, even though it was disabled and non-functional. A consistent
> button layout provided more usability than a design in which buttons
> appeared and disappeared, which tended to confuse users.
>
> Again, I don't know if this is relevant in the aircraft world, but it
> might
> be worth considering.
>
> One other point regarding the "dead front" design: What about the
> first-time
> or occasional flyer of the airplane? How would they know which parameters
> were annunciated, and which would need to be monitored via a gauge or
> other
> indicator?
>
> I assume good practice would dictate that all of the annunciator lights
> would be illuminated when the battery master was turned on, then go dark
> following engine start. While this would provide some indication of what
> parameters would be annunciated, would the first-time or occasional pilot
> remember what they were?
>
> None of this may be of any importance whatsoever, but these are the sort
> of
> questions I would want to see asked anytime anything was being designed...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
> L. Nuckolls, III
> Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2006 8:21 AM
> Subject: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
>
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
> I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
> El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
> They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
> whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
> the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
> trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
> A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
> would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
> both fabrication and software that would make the product
> highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
> are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
> the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
> is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
> when not illuminated.
>
> Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> and/or blow in your ear?
>
> Main Volts Lo
> Aux Volts Lo
> Left Fuel Lo
> Right Fuel Lo
> Oil Pres Lo
> Canopy Latch
> OAT Warn
> Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message
> 45 ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:09:00 PM PST US
> From: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: RE: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . .
> .
>
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "D Wysong" <hdwysong@gmail.com>
>
> A few more from the turbine community, Bob (... if applicable):
>
> Chip Detect
> BVC Fault
> Anti-Ice
> Fuel Filter
> Oil Filter
> Fuel Pressure
> Gen
>
> All are fault lights on a Caution/Advisory panel that I've stared at
> for one too many hours...
>
> D
>
> -------------------
> On 3/9/06, Robert L. Nuckolls, III <nuckollsr@cox.net> wrote:
> > --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <
> nuckollsr@cox.net>
> >
> > Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> > From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
> > points of interest might be important enough to light a light
> > and/or blow in your ear?
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Jerry2DT@aol.com
I would love to have fuel pressure.
Jerry
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Marketing research question Annunciated
Parameters List
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
<nuckollsr@cox.net>
Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
>From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
points of interest might be important enough to light a light
and/or blow in your ear?
The wish list now stands at:
Main Volts Lo
Aux Volts Lo
Left Fuel Lo
Right Fuel Lo
Oil Pres Lo
Canopy Latch
OAT Warn
Pitot Heat
Coolant Temp
Coolant Pres
Coolant Low
Oil Temp
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: Richard Tasker <retasker@optonline.net>
I have that rivet tool. It seems to work just fine with all the various
pop rivets I have used it on - small to large, steel or aluminum.
There are little cast-in stops inside the handle that broke on mine
after a very few rivets (when the rivet "pop"s the handles come together
sharply - as do all pop riveters). The missing stops seem to have no
adverse effect on the function however. Not really sure why they are
there in the first place.
I have not used the rivnut accessory from Wicks.
Dick Tasker
rd2@evenlink.com wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
>Hello all,
>
>I am considering getting a tool for rivets and rivnuts.
>
>Has anyone used this rivet tool? Any negative/positive feedback?
>
>http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/360degreerivet.php
>
>Can the above be used also for rivnuts by adding this "installer":
>
>http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1845/index.html
>
>Tx
>
>Rumen
>
>
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--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
I would add:
Carb ice
Transmitting
I presume "Aux Volts Lo" is actually "E-Bus Low", so why not identify it
that way?
I would like to see the lamps triggerable on either:
Above a threshold (trimpot settable)
Below a threshold (trimpot settable)
Here's an example of how to fill up 24 slots:
http://www.myglasscockpit.com/AnnunciatorPanel.gif
I'll buy one if it's reasonably priced.
Dave Morris
At 08:20 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
><nuckollsr@cox.net>
>
>I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
>El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
>They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
>whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
>the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
>trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>
>A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
>would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
>both fabrication and software that would make the product
>highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
>are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
>the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
>is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
>when not illuminated.
>
>Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
>points of interest might be important enough to light a light
>and/or blow in your ear?
>
>Main Volts Lo
>Aux Volts Lo
>Left Fuel Lo
>Right Fuel Lo
>Oil Pres Lo
>Canopy Latch
>OAT Warn
>Pitot Heat
>
>
> Bob . . .
>
>
> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
> < with experiment. >
> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>
>
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List
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Vern W." <highflight1@gmail.com>
Without stating what I'M going to use for annunciators because I haven't
decided yet, I am thinking of these things so I'll simply add that:
I've seen some people install a "Starter" warning light in case the starter
hangs. That might warrant a red warning light as well.
If you're more paranoid, you might be someone who installs an oil level
sending unit so you could have a warning for "Low Oil".
But there's also some annunciators that are just status annuniators so you
would want them to be Blue or Green or some other non heart pounding color.
These just remind you that you are running these devices so you don't forget
to turn them off when you don't need them.
Like:
"Aux. Batt." (when the secondary battery is in the loop)
"Flaps" (in any position other than up)
"Landing Lights"
"Fuel Pump" to remind you when you have the electric fuel pump turned on.
"Nav Lights"
"Ipod Batt. Low" although you might want to make this a RED alert light.
The only thing limiting annunciation is imagination and panel space. :-)
Vern W.
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| Subject: | rivet & rivnut tool |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
Bob, Neal, Dick,
Thanks a lot for the informative feedback.
Rumen
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Marketing research question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Brinker" <brinker@cox-internet.com>
Definately need the nukes armed annunciator I hate to land with them
in the armed position. Especially after getting bad carb ice and a forced
landing :)
Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Morris "BigD"" <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: AeroElectric-List: Marketing research question
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
> <BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
> I would add:
>
> Carb ice
> Transmitting
>
> I presume "Aux Volts Lo" is actually "E-Bus Low", so why not identify it
> that way?
>
> I would like to see the lamps triggerable on either:
> Above a threshold (trimpot settable)
> Below a threshold (trimpot settable)
>
> Here's an example of how to fill up 24 slots:
> http://www.myglasscockpit.com/AnnunciatorPanel.gif
>
> I'll buy one if it's reasonably priced.
>
> Dave Morris
>
>
> At 08:20 AM 3/9/2006, you wrote:
>>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
>><nuckollsr@cox.net>
>>
>>I've got a couple of guys scratching on napkins at Connie's
>>El Mexico cafe over ways to do an annunciator system.
>>They're considering system sizing and trying to deduce
>>whether to craft a 9 or 12 slot annunciator panel. It seems that
>>the largest segment of the OBAM aircraft community would have
>>trouble filling up a 9-slot annunciator panel.
>>
>>A 9-slot panel is looking like 4.2 x 1.6 inches. A 12-slot
>>would be 5.3 x 1.6 inches. We're considering processes for
>>both fabrication and software that would make the product
>>highly customizable. I.e. you decide whether incoming signals
>>are analog, pull up to bus, pull down to ground, what
>>the legends say, and colors of the legends. Of course this
>>is a 'dead front' design . . . legends essentially disappear
>>when not illuminated.
>>
>>Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
>> From of the list items below, what additional or alternative
>>points of interest might be important enough to light a light
>>and/or blow in your ear?
>>
>>Main Volts Lo
>>Aux Volts Lo
>>Left Fuel Lo
>>Right Fuel Lo
>>Oil Pres Lo
>>Canopy Latch
>>OAT Warn
>>Pitot Heat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob . . .
>>
>>
>> < What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
>> < the authority which determines whether there can be >
>> < debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
>> < scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
>> < with experiment. >
>> < --Lawrence M. Krauss >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: rivet & rivnut tool |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: PJ Seipel <seipel@seznam.cz>
Don't buy the tool from Aircraft Spruce. I have that one and I hate
it. The swiveling head has been useful once or twice, but it's
definitely not worth $40. Go to Harbor Freight and buy the $6.99 one.
It works great, and you can grind down the front of the head to get into
tight spots.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=7356
PJ
rd2@evenlink.com wrote:
> --> AeroElectric-List message posted by: rd2@evenlink.com
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am considering getting a tool for rivets and rivnuts.
>
> Has anyone used this rivet tool? Any negative/positive feedback?
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/360degreerivet.php
>
> Can the above be used also for rivnuts by adding this "installer":
>
> http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=1845/index.html
>
> Tx
>
> Rumen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Gordon or Marge Comfort" <gcomfo@tc3net.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-aeroelectric-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Nuckolls, III
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: AeroElectric-List: RE: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . .
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III"
--> <nuckollsr@cox.net>
Just for grins, I'll toss the question out to the list.
From of the list items below, what additional or alternative points of
interest might be important enough to light a light and/or blow in your ear?
The wish list now stands at:
Main Volts Lo
Aux Volts Lo
Left Fuel Lo
Right Fuel Lo
Oil Pres Lo
Canopy Latch
OAT Warn
Pitot Heat
Coolant Temp
Coolant Pres
Coolant Low
Oil Temp
Turbo (control malfunction) (yellow)
Boost pump ON (white)
Fire
Flaps Warn
Fuel Pump ON
Starter engaged
P-Mag Maint
Prop Overspeed
Gear extension Warning
Nose Gear
Lt Mn Gear
Rt Mn Gear
Bob: Wowee. Is this getting out of hand? Perhaps it would be wise to
consider what to leave out.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
--
Bob . . .
< What is so wonderful about scientific truth...is that >
< the authority which determines whether there can be >
< debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of >
< scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests >
< with experiment. >
< --Lawrence M. Krauss >
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| Subject: | RE: Annunciated Parameters wish list . . . . |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
. . .
>
>Bob: Wowee. Is this getting out of hand? Perhaps it would be wise to
>consider what to leave out.
>
>Gordon Comfort
>N363GC
Patience my friend . . .
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | Re: Marketing research question |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Robert L. Nuckolls, III" <nuckollsr@cox.net>
At 02:45 PM 3/10/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "Dave Morris \"BigD\""
><BigD@DaveMorris.com>
>
>I would add:
>
>Carb ice
>Transmitting
>
>I presume "Aux Volts Lo" is actually "E-Bus Low", so why not identify it
>that way?
Because it's Aux Volts Low. When the e-bus is being used
in it's backup function, it's always low volts . . . battery
only.
Aux volts is used to watch an aux battery bus to make sure
that the aux battery contactor has is closed and/or
has not failed.
>I would like to see the lamps triggerable on either:
>Above a threshold (trimpot settable)
>Below a threshold (trimpot settable)
The exciting talk right now is to make various functions
user programmable via graphical user interface running
out of a PC.
>Here's an example of how to fill up 24 slots:
>http://www.myglasscockpit.com/AnnunciatorPanel.gif
>
>I'll buy one if it's reasonably priced.
What's a reasonable price?
Bob . . .
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| Subject: | In rush limiters |
--> AeroElectric-List message posted by: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" <dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
I'm looking at the in-rush limiters that you recommend installing in the
landing light circuit Bob. These look like the old mica capacitors you used
to see in tube televisions. I have a bit of trepidation about how to mount
these securely and make a secure connection to the landing light wiring.
Any suggestions here? Solder and heat shrink in line with the wire seems a
bit flimsy and floppy to me, what would you recommend?
Anyone else on the list using in-rush limiters? How did you mount them and
what are your experiences so far?
Also I have an aluminum aircraft (RV-6A) and plan to ground the landing,
taxi and position lights locally on the spar at the wingtip. From your
comments and your book it doesn't sound like this will be a problem if I
make good solid gas-tight connections. Any additional words of wisdom here?
Thanks.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Autocad tweaks & load analysis.
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