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1. 12:12 AM - Re: MoS2 Spray ()
2. 12:56 AM - DOTH (David Corbett)
3. 06:20 AM - Re Oil Changes (Mike Parkin)
4. 08:25 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/10/06 (Fergus Kyle)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: ...and another thing (Mike Parkin) (Fergus Kyle)
6. 03:29 PM - Re: ...and another thing (Tony Krzyzewski)
7. 04:25 PM - Vibration (Thomas Scherer)
8. 04:42 PM - Re: ...and another thing (nigel charles)
9. 04:48 PM - Re: MoS2 Spray (Paul McAllister)
10. 05:27 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/10/06 (Graham Singleton)
11. 05:33 PM - Re: MoS2 Spray (Chris Beck)
12. 08:27 PM - FW: Re: MoS2 Spray (Steve Hagar)
13. 08:27 PM - Re: MoS2 Spray (Steve Hagar)
14. 10:19 PM - Re: First flight (Craig Ellison)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Hello Paul
"SI-914-003 recommends the use of MoS2 Spray for lubricating the waste
gate."
I am not flying yet, but researched this a bit and fooled some product for
our 914.
Spruce sells Mouse Milk that is just for this purpose.
I cooked several products that also seemed OK. Kroil (not Sili-Kroil) from
Kano Labs, and a product sold at some Auto-Parts stores called Blaster.
Blaster has several products that all sound similar, I forget the exact
one I liked, but it was a product for unfreeing stuck stuff. Inital I
thought it would leave residue, but cooking with a blowtorch did not show
any singns.
I am going to begin with the Mouse Milk though.
Ron P.
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "David Corbett" <duc@farmline.com>
Hello, Bryan,
I see you are coming to Shobdon tomorrow. Very sadly I will not be here to
welcome Europaphiles, because it is a Flying Farmers Association flyin at
Croft Farm, and I will be eating and viewing asparagus, etc, over there.
Best wishes to all who do attend, however.
David
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
My Rotax 914 Maintenance manual says:
After the first 25 hrs, then every 100 hours..
It calls for every 50 hrs if using leaded fuel.
Is my manual out of date, or have I missed something.
regards,
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/10/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Ferg Kyle
Europa A064 914 Classic
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/10/06
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| 1. 06:08 AM - DOTH Friday (Bryan Allsop)
| 2. 06:56 AM - Tri-gear vs. mono (Fergus Kyle)
| 3. 07:14 AM - ...and another thing (Fergus Kyle)
| 4. 07:54 AM - Re: ...and another thing (Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com)
| 5. 10:49 AM - Re: First flight (Rowland Carson)
| 6. 01:32 PM - Re: DOTH Friday (Kingsley Hurst)
| 7. 01:38 PM - Engine oil filters (Fergus Kyle)
| 8. 03:28 PM - Re: DOTH Friday (Bryan Allsop)
| 9. 04:34 PM - DOTH Friday (C Richardson)
| 10. 05:20 PM - Re: Engine oil filters (SPurpura@aol.com)
| 11. 05:43 PM - Re: DOTH Friday (Kingsley Hurst)
| 12. 07:08 PM - Re: Engine oil filter (rlborger)
| 13. 07:08 PM - MoS2 Spray (Paul McAllister)
| 14. 07:51 PM - Re: MoS2 Spray (Mike Baker)
| 15. 10:56 PM - Re: ...and another thing (Mike Parkin)
| 16. 11:01 PM - Was DOTH Friday Now off Topicbut very relevant.....Hurry
Kingsley!!!! (R.C.Harrison)
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| Time: 06:08:07 AM PST US
| From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
| Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
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| I am bored with waiting for someone else to call a Doth now. So, =
| regardless of who else is, or is not going, I am taking Sadie out for a =
| ride to Shobdon on Friday. Usual mid-day arrival (Pilot freebie).
| The last Doth was a lovely day. It should be the same on Friday, though =
| you may have to dodge the odd shower later in the day.
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| Regards. Bryan
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| Time: 06:56:16 AM PST US
| From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| Subject: Europa-List: Tri-gear vs. mono
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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| Cheers,
| We're off topic here, except that the following tends to divide
| Europhiles when there is no need. Jim Thursby wrote an excellent rebuttal
| which elicitted little response. Nevertheless, I sense that silence
promoted
| a false sense of condemnation of Ivan's precept and deserves further
| comment.
| There is no question that trigears are easier to land.
| Thirty-odd thousand hours convinces me that putting two (and often three)
| wheels on the ground is easier than flying after landing - what is needed
on
| one wheel. The number of accidents occuring after landing a 3-wheeler
shows
| that there is a sigh of relief after touchdown that belies the risks still
| in effect during the runout. That's a clue.
| Whereas the taildragger of any persuasion still requires
| concentration and due diligence until a speed is reached where nothing is
| flying, wing, tail or anything. This to me indicates the complete flyer -
| one who is in control from 'chocks out' to 'brakes on' - and sometimes
after
| that.
| I can see the ab initio pilot hesitating to produce a
| taildragger with one main gear, and appreciate if he chooses three wheels
| particularly if he has a nice long paved flat surface on which to land.
| However, for the responsible aviator, there is a price to be
| paid. Appearing to advance to unprepared ground, or putting forth vitriol
| against other more complete flyers, or claiming false qualities for
dangling
| doughnuts isn't possible. Just as some people carry hot coffee or smooge
on
| the 'cell-phone' while enroute on the streets are steerers not drivers,
| those who rely on three wheels to help them through life are not qualified
| to disparage those who don't.
| Complete bafflement is not a quality - it is a condition.
| Ferg
| A064 mono 914
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| Garry wrote:
| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>>
| > I remain completely baffled as to why so many Europa pilots have chosen
| > the
| > mono over the trigear when given a choice. There is absolutely zero
| > performance advantage to the mono, in rate of climb, in cruise speed, in
| > fuel burn, or whatever. The difference is that the mono is inheritantly
| > unstable in landing (and takeoff) configuration. Everyone (almost) else
| > in
| > the aircraft business, both large and small, has abandon the taildragger
| > design, and no one else is building mono wheel planes. For the life of
me
| > I
| > cannot understand why Ivan thought he could be successful when the rest
of
| > the world says it's an unstable design. The proof is in the results.
| > Europa mono's are ground looping, wheelbarrowing, bending props, running
| > off
| > the tarmac, and generally destroying themselves with regularity.
Perhaps
| > that is a smart marketing strategy........to design a product that
| > requires
| > regular parts replacement and rebuilding, but as a pilot I'm not
| > impressed.
| > I do acknowledge that there are a few among our ranks who get a certain
| > thrill out of placing themselves in danger on every flight, and love the
| > challenge of taming a wild and unpredictable beast. It makes for good
| > chest
| > thumping and bragging rights at the local pub, but might I suggest that
| > you
| > take up the (American) sport of bull riding. It's probably safer and
more
| > satisfying than trying to land a mono. I'm not trying to stir up the
| > ranks,
| > but simply trying to understand the motivation of choosing an unstable
| > design over a proper one. Both Europas are fabulous planes in the air,
| > but
| > one operates on the ground in a proper fashion while the other acts like
a
| > drunk and wounded gooney bird. Let's hear some logical and unemotional
| > arguments in favor of the mono.>
| > Trigear pilot
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| Time: 07:14:42 AM PST US
| From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| Subject: Europa-List: ...and another thing
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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| Again, off topic.
| The following text demands reply:
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| >--> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
| > >mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
| > "This is a guy who's flown hundreds of different aircraft, flown
| > for
| >the military, has 20,000 hours plus, and is a certified test pilot."
| > An instructor of mine once told me that to get a true feeling for
| > the
| >experience of a pilot, divide his total flying hours by the number of
| >pilot
| >seats multiplied by the number of engines the aircraft has.
| > For example, an airline pilot who has flown 20,000 hours in a big
4
| > jet
| >would be 20000/(2*4) equals 2500. The rationale behind this is that if
you
| >fly long haul, in 2 by 13 hour sectors you might get one landing and one
| >take-off. How many take-off and landings would you get in your Europa in
| >26
| >hours of flying.
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| If one notes the above, what connection is there between
| "hundreds of aircraft,....the military, ....test pilot" - and sitting in
an
| airliner?
| First of all of if one plans to learn anything in the next 2500
| hours, perhaps the target pilot already has this experience? 26 hours in
| Europas might mean 50 landings - one month's flying in some airlines. One
| assumes the writer has the public's opinion of airline drivers - we all
know
| stewardesses fly, passengers fly, but pilots just sit there.
| The difference is, previous airline pilots have often come from
| more experience than a Europa will produce in its total existence - and
| that's just one aircraft...........
| It's easy to take a swipe. The silent majority are not
swiping -
| or as the jokesters say, "laisser faire and let laisser faire".
|
| Ferg Kyle
| Europa A064 914 Classic
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| Time: 07:54:35 AM PST US
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: ...and another thing
| From: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: Dave_Miller@avivacanada.com
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| Ferg,
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| I think you are trying to stir things up on a slow day !
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| All I know is, that with the number of glider hours and landings I have, I
| should be a better pilot than I am.
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| As for tri-gear V mono, with limited time in the left side of a tri-gear,
| and limited time in the right side of a mono, two things are very obvious:
| a) the tri-gear is a particularly pleasant aircraft to land
| b) my tri-gear is quite a bit slower than the mono, however I've still got
| to re-install the wheel pants and some of the fairings.
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| see you soon I hope,
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| Dave A061
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| Time: 10:49:34 AM PST US
| From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
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| At 2006-05-09 13:39 -0700 Craig Ellison wrote:
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| >the first flight of KitA205/N205CN took
| >place this evening
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| Craig - congratulations and thanks for all the data posted.
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| regards
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| Rowland
| --
|| Rowland Carson (retiring) Europa Club Membership Secretary - email for
info!
|| Europa 435 G-ROWI (750 hours building) PFA #16532
|| e-mail <memsec@europaclub.org.uk> website www.europaclub.org.uk
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| Time: 01:32:06 PM PST US
| From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
| Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
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| >I am bored with waiting for someone else to call a Doth now. So,
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| You should not feel like that Bryan, I would go with you but I have a
| slight problem or two, like an aircraft that does not fly yet and the
| tyranny of distance. Apart from that, I would be there. I envy you
| blokes flitting around all the time.
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| Regards
| Kingsley
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| Time: 01:38:59 PM PST US
| From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
| Subject: Europa-List: Engine oil filters
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
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| Say, have I mentioned I'm a flyer, not a builder?
| I just tested a fuel manifold design for flow and got lots. I
| timed flow from pump1 and pump2 and both pumps. However some idjit (no
| names) used fuel from last fall and the Purolator PRO 805 units (with
their
| POR 896 filter elements inside) are pluggers. SO I telephoned around for
| any replacement elements meantime, and got the Blank Stare routine from
all
| the auto parts
| professors.
| Have I stumbled across an archeological dig? What are we folk
| doing to replace the above designated filters/ Please?
| Ferg Kyle
| Europa A064 914 Classic
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| Time: 03:28:41 PM PST US
| From: "Bryan Allsop" <bryan@blackballclub.com>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Bryan Allsop"
<bryan@blackballclub.com>
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| Ah, Kingsley! What a shame!
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| You must understand though, Having a smooth flying dream machine and
nowhere
| to go is much worse than building one, and dreaming of going somewhere.
| Just think. We have to prepare flight plans, buy fuel, torment ourselves
| with weather, pacify our women, heave all sorts of things around
airfields.
| Whilst you builders can just pop into you nice warm workshops, and tinker.
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| We have to suffer with each free day, pining for those odd god given hours
| when the skies are fit to fly in.We can't open a door and communicate with
| our offspring any time we wish.
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| Think yourself lucky man, and stop winging!
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| Best regards. Bryan. PS I cant do smileys.
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| do not archive
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
| Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:29 PM
| Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
| > <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
| >
| >>I am bored with waiting for someone else to call a Doth now. So,
| >
| > You should not feel like that Bryan, I would go with you but I have a
| > slight problem or two, like an aircraft that does not fly yet and the
| > tyranny of distance. Apart from that, I would be there. I envy you
| > blokes flitting around all the time.
| >
| > Regards
| > Kingsley
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| > Do not archive
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| Time: 04:34:26 PM PST US
| From: "C Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
| Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "C Richardson"
<cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
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| Bryan,
| I would join you at Shobden but I have just received a command from my =
| wife to transport her flying suit from home to Netheravon on Friday so =
| she can be photographed with the British Helicopter team.
| At least I will be only 40 mins each way compared to her 2 hours drive =
| from Gatwick to Netheravon and a further 2 hours back home.
| Oh the price of having to prepare food for her when she eventually =
| arrives home! (Friday evenings are bad on the roads to the West Country)
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| Best regards to all on the list
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| John
| GBXGG
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| Time: 05:20:59 PM PST US
| From: SPurpura@aol.com
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: Engine oil filters
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: SPurpura@aol.com
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| Try the Fram G12 from WalMart.
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| Time: 05:43:11 PM PST US
| From: "Kingsley Hurst" <hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
| Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH Friday
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Kingsley Hurst"
<hurstkr@growzone.com.au>
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| Bryan Allsop wrote:
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| > We have to suffer with each free day, pining for those odd god given
| hours
| > when the skies are fit to fly in.We can't open a door and communicate
| with
| > our offspring any time we wish.
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| > Think yourself lucky man, and stop winging!
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| Blimey mate, think I'll just give up and go fishing, didn't realise
| flying was such a hassle . . . . . all that wasted effort on my part . .
| . . gee . . . . .
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| PS Why would you want to do smileys when you have problems like that ?
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| With a bit of luck. I might be able to join you fellows for a DOTH
| (without a plane though) next year when we come over.
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| Cheers
| Kingsley
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| Time: 07:08:54 PM PST US
| Cc: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
| Subject: Europa-List: Re: Engine oil filter
| From: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: rlborger <rlborger@mac.com>
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| Ferg,
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| I did a Google search on - purolator pro 896 -
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| The first hit was Midway Auto Supply ( http://
| www.midwayautosupply.com/ ). They have them for the sum of USD 7.99
| each.
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| Good building and great flying,
| Bob Borger
| Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
| http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
| (85%) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module installed, pitch
| system in, landing gear frame in, rudder system in, outrigger mod in,
| Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar
| in, flap drive in, Mod 70 done. Baggage bay in. Working in - 24
| Instrument Panel, 25 Electrical, 28 Flaps, 29 Main Gear, 30 Fuel
| System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35 Doors, 37 Finishing. Airmaster
| arrived 29 Sep 05. Seat arrived from Oregon Aero. Preparing ROTAX
| 914 for installation.
| 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
| Corinth, TX 76208
| Home: 940-497-2123
| Cel: 817-992-1117
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| P.S.
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| Perhaps I'll have time tomorrow evening to put my 2-bits into the
| mono-tri commentary. Needless to say, i'm pro monowheel.
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| Time: 07:08:54 PM PST US
| From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
| Subject: Europa-List: MoS2 Spray
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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| Hi All,
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| The Rotax Service instruction SI-914-003 recommends the use of MoS2 Spray
| for lubricating the waste gate.
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| I did a Google search to try and find a source, but all I could turn up
was
| bunches of links extolling the virtues of MoS2 Spray, but no clue on where
I
| might buy it. Could anyone on the list suggest where I might purchase
this
| stuff.
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| Thanks, Paul
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| Time: 07:51:15 PM PST US
| From: Mike Baker <galahav@YAHOO.COM>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: MoS2 Spray
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: Mike Baker <galahav@yahoo.com>
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| I Think What you want is "Mouse MilK" Spruce sells it.
| Here's the link
| http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/mousemilkoil.php
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| Mike Baker
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| --- Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net> wrote:
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| > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
| > <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
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| > Hi All,
| >
| > The Rotax Service instruction SI-914-003 recommends
| > the use of MoS2 Spray
| > for lubricating the waste gate.
| >
| > I did a Google search to try and find a source, but
| > all I could turn up was
| > bunches of links extolling the virtues of MoS2
| > Spray, but no clue on where I
| > might buy it. Could anyone on the list suggest
| > where I might purchase this
| > stuff.
| >
| > Thanks, Paul
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| > browse
| > Subscriptions page,
| > FAQ,
| > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
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| > Admin.
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| Time: 10:56:42 PM PST US
| From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
| Subject: Re: Europa-List: ...and another thing
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "Mike Parkin"
<mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
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| > One assumes the writer has the public's opinion of airline drivers - we
| > all know
| > stewardesses fly, passengers fly, but pilots just sit there.
|
| Your assumption would be incorrect. The writers opinion comes from many
| years of military and commercial flying. This last month has only
required
| 70 hrs flying - mainly being chased about at low level by exercising
| fighters trying shoot me (simulated) with every weapon you could imagine.
I
| don't have anywhere near 30,000 hrs but I do have enough to have stopped
| counting.
| As a Training Captain I have flown with quite a few of these previously
| experienced pilots who as stick and throttle men could not 'fly their way
| out of a wet paper bag'.
| Some of my friends who were first class military pilots who have moved on
to
| big commercial jets. They have become very professional operators in
| Commercial Air Transport but admit that their basic flying skills are not
| what they once were. This is hardly surprising when on many modern
| transport aircraft the first action when encountering an engine failure on
| take-off is to engage the autopilot.
| In many companies the required approach is a coupled ILS to minima - it is
| true that the handling pilot does get to fly the flare sometimes.
| My moderate experience enables me to do my job to an adequate standard but
| most people slow down with age - experience is valuable but I suspect that
| the time will come when it is not enough. The vision of myself sat in a
| corner dribbling on my carpet slippers is not a comforting thought.
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| Does all this make me an expert with small bug-smashers - certainly not -
| irrespective of the landing gear configuration.
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| I love my little Europa - I built it, warts and all. It is a pocket
rocket
| when compared with the average spamcan. Is it demanding? - YES. Having
| been bit once with a ground loop while trying (overconfidently) to land in
a
| strong crosswind I am very cautious.
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| I confess to being mildly irritated with the attitude of some people when
| they criticise Ivan's original creation. The Europa is a sport aircraft
and
| the monowheel can be sporty, but to me, that is what it is all about. For
| those who want a form of transport that is easy to operate then the
tri-gear
| is for you. Or perhaps a spamcan is more suitable.
|
| I will probably regret rising to Fergus' missive but I'll get back in my
box
| now.
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| regards,
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| Mike Parkin (Europa XS MONOWHEEL - G-JULZ)
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| From: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
| Subject: Europa-List: Was DOTH Friday Now off Topicbut very
relevant.....Hurry
| Kingsley!!!!
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| --> Europa-List message posted by: "R.C.Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
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| Hi! Kingsley.
| Just to motivate your urgent attention to obtain a visa or whatever you
| need because the message below means there will soon be "no room at the
| inn" or by the time you get here the British Isles will have sunk!:-
|
| "BRITAIN is facing a wave of immigration from Eastern European 'benefit
| shoppers' because of a new Brussels directive.
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| A report published yesterday warned that distant relatives of EU
| nationals working in the UK will now be able to come here and claim
| state handouts.
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| The Open Europe think-tank predicted 15,000 people from Eastern Europe
| could be claiming jobseeker's allowance within three years.
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| The report says Britain is an attractive destination because a family of
| four would earn more on benefit than they would working on the average
| wage in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland or the Czech and Slovak
| Republics.
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| The rules have been relaxed to allow EU immigrants to bring any member
| of their household to join them in Britain.
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| At the moment only dependent relatives - typically a spouse or
| children - have the right to enter and live on welfare.
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| The change is expected to lead to an increase in the 329,000 people from
| the new Eastern European member states who have already entered the UK
| to work.
|
| The directive, which came into force this week, also gives anyone who
| has been living in Britain for five years an automatic right to
| permanent residence - with full access to benefits.
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| And it creates an automatic three-month right of residence for all EU
| citizens, even if they have no intention of finding a job here."
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| ........................
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| Just to confirm that we are not only a Nation of Idiots but also the
| most generous race on the face of the earth !
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| Regards and serious appologies to the memebers of the list and those who
| are kind enough to be on my Special Distribution List who will get it
| twice....but I just can't contain myself anymore.
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| Bob Harrison
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| Subject: | Re: ...and another thing (Mike Parkin) |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Mike,
I stand corrected - and you did a pretty good dance on my
cadaver too!
Mike, I believe we are on the same frequency, and I grant that airline
driving is not the same - but then experience is what you make it - and you
qualify as well as anyone......
Having just come from a meeting full of 'pilots', I was off the
mark, except that connecting airline types with bus driving wound me up
somewhat in view of the public's comprehension of 'pilots'. It's also true
that sitting in front of a big machine gives too great an aura to one's
self-esteem and humility sometimes goes out the window.
You were quite right. I can see you typing with gritted
teeth......
Cheers,
Ferg Kyle
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| Subject: | ...and another thing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I've had the pleasure of flying both mono and trike versions of the
Europa and have just been asked to do the 25 hour test flight programme
on a Europa trike that's about to arrive in NZ which I will happily do.
If you have nice fat tarmac runways that you always operate off then the
trike is great - but in places where grass is the dominant surface and
some of those surfaces are unprepared (and at times quite narrow) then
I'd take a monowheel into those locations anytime whereas I'd think
twice about using the trike off those strips.
One of Ivan's design considerations was that the aircraft should be able
to operate of an unprepared farm field hence the monowheel
configuration. Many pilot's, myself included, love the monowheel
configuration and no, I don't end each landing feeling that I've just
survived an horrific experience. The mono has actually taught me how to
correctly land an aircraft and I wouldn't have missed acquiring that
skill for anything.
The mono is great for taking to the beach as it handle firm sand
beautifully. It's hard to beat landing a monowheel Europa on a deserted
black sand beach, cooking up a batch of big NZ greenlip mussels
collected off the rocks and then flying home after a most satisfying
day.
Believe me, the trike at times, with its finger brakes, can be just as
'entertaining' to handle as the monowheel. Like all aircraft it takes
practice, experience and good airmanship to handle an aircraft well, be
it a monowheel or a trike
The mono v strike debate will go on for as long as there is a Europa
flying. Some people will never feel comfortable flying the monowheel and
for those people they have the opportunity to fly the trike. For those
of us who have got to know the monowheel you just have to accept that we
love using our aircraft in locations which are ideally suited to the
design and have a propensity for walking around with stupid grins on our
faces after flying one.
Regards
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Thomas Scherer" <thomas@scherer.com>
Last weekend I spent with curing the vibration sensed in my Europa (Trike, classic,
912ul, Airmaster prop). Got myself an automotive vibration analyser off eBay
for 400 US$ and had the pleasure of Kim Prout and his father Paul Prout joining
in.
The vibration analyser (EVA 2) would display the frequency and amplitude of vibrations
present which will NOT tell you where to add weight, but helps in finding
the source of vibration (looking at rpm and the frequencies diplayed).
After trueing the classic spinner to a new level (you can't tell it is rotating
any more now) I started adding washers to the spinner backplate until the prop-rpm
would not show up any more on the display.
The procedure took about 4 hrs and plenty of short engine runs.
The baby now flies as if an electric motor were installed (this tells you how bad
vibrations were before) and I expect all equipment to have longer service life
now.
The plane is based in Southern California and I would gladly assist others in de-vibrating
their planes or - if you want - buy the unit from me.
Happy landings,
<Thomas, N81EU>
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| Subject: | ...and another thing |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
I also know of a situation where the trigear was at a disadvantage. A
visiting trigear once landed at a grass strip where the surface was
soft. Although the resident monowheel was operating in and out of the
strip with two on board, the trigear was unable to get airborne with its
passenger. In the end the trigear was flown out solo and picked up the
passenger at another airfield.
The Europa trigear is a fine aircraft but it is not unique. There are
several other kit aircraft which come close to its performance and
economy. The monowheel however is still very different from any other
light aircraft after 13 years since the prototype first flew. It is
certainly a more demanding aircraft to fly but since pilot training has
been set up and handling information passed on there have been far fewer
incidents/accidents.
If ease of piloting is paramount then the trigear is a must but if you
want a slightly lighter, faster and more economical aircraft that can
handle a more varied selection of airstrips the monowheel is a unique
alternative. It is just a matter of deciding whether your skills can be
tuned to what is required.
As fuel costs on the eastern side of the Atlantic are still over twice
that in the USA it is no wonder that the Europa (the monowheel in
particular) is more popular in Europe with its excellent fuel
efficiency. However the recent large price increases in crude oil is
bound to refocus potential buyers towards more efficient aircraft and
this should be good for the Europa.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony
Krzyzewski
Sent: 11 May 2006 23:23
Subject: RE: Europa-List: ...and another thing
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Tony Krzyzewski" <tonyk@kaon.co.nz>
I've had the pleasure of flying both mono and trike versions of the
Europa and have just been asked to do the 25 hour test flight programme
on a Europa trike that's about to arrive in NZ which I will happily do.
If you have nice fat tarmac runways that you always operate off then the
trike is great - but in places where grass is the dominant surface and
some of those surfaces are unprepared (and at times quite narrow) then
I'd take a monowheel into those locations anytime whereas I'd think
twice about using the trike off those strips.
One of Ivan's design considerations was that the aircraft should be able
to operate of an unprepared farm field hence the monowheel
configuration. Many pilot's, myself included, love the monowheel
configuration and no, I don't end each landing feeling that I've just
survived an horrific experience. The mono has actually taught me how to
correctly land an aircraft and I wouldn't have missed acquiring that
skill for anything.
The mono is great for taking to the beach as it handle firm sand
beautifully. It's hard to beat landing a monowheel Europa on a deserted
black sand beach, cooking up a batch of big NZ greenlip mussels
collected off the rocks and then flying home after a most satisfying
day.
Believe me, the trike at times, with its finger brakes, can be just as
'entertaining' to handle as the monowheel. Like all aircraft it takes
practice, experience and good airmanship to handle an aircraft well, be
it a monowheel or a trike
The mono v strike debate will go on for as long as there is a Europa
flying. Some people will never feel comfortable flying the monowheel and
for those people they have the opportunity to fly the trike. For those
of us who have got to know the monowheel you just have to accept that we
love using our aircraft in locations which are ideally suited to the
design and have a propensity for walking around with stupid grins on our
faces after flying one.
Regards
Tony
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> -----Original Message-----
> rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> Spruce sells Mouse Milk that is just for this purpose.
Hi all,
Well I did a bit of digging and the spec sheet for Mouse Milk states that it
contains Toluene, Hydotreated petroleum distillate, Isopropyl 99 and Methyl
Isobutyl Ketone. No mention of MoS2.
So, it back to the drawing board for me, if anyone can tell me where I can
get a hold of some molybdenum disulphide lubricant in spray form I'd
appreciate it.
thanks, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 16 Msgs - 05/10/06 |
--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
a false sense of condemnation of Ivan's precept and deserves further
comment.
I can see the ab initio pilot hesitating to produce a
taildragger with one main gear, and appreciate if he chooses three wheels
particularly if he has a nice long paved flat surface on which to land.
However, for the responsible aviator, there is a price to be
paid.
those who rely on three wheels to help them through life are not qualified
to disparage those who don't.
Complete bafflement is not a quality - it is a condition.
Ferg
> There is absolutely zero
>> performance advantage to the mono, in rate of climb, in cruise speed, in
>> fuel burn, or whatever.
>
> For the life of me > I cannot understand why Ivan thought he could be successful
when the rest of
>> the world says it's an unstable design. The proof is in the results.
>> Europa mono's are ground looping, wheelbarrowing, bending props, running
>> off the tarmac, and generally destroying themselves with regularity. Perhaps
>> that is a smart marketing strategy........to design a product that
>> requires regular parts replacement and rebuilding, but as a pilot I'm not
>> impressed.
>
Fergus
I agree with your last remark, however there were plenty of nosedraggers
that were tricky to land and fly, you can tell us about vampires no
doubt, then there are the Grumman Groundgrippers, famous for
wheelbarrowing and knocking their props off. Plenty of 150s did that too.
Many years ago Ivan and I and a couple of other EZ builders used to
drink the odd gallon of brown medicine in the hills around Barnsley and
dream of an aircraft that could do what an EZ does so well but safely
operate from farm strips. We reasoned that it probably needed to be a
tail dragger for that. Three wheels have too much drag on the ground,
and are difficult to retract. For low drag in the air retract was
desireable. I sent Ivan off to the local gliding club, Camphill as iot
happens, one of the first in UK. "Go and look at a K6E and an RF4. By
the way, glider boys don't have hangarage difficulties, their airplanes
derig in 15 minutes" (imho, an airplane that takes hours to derig is a
complete waste of time)
Ivan's reasoning behind the mono was that the rolling resistance of one
large wheel on a soft grass field was bound to be less than three small
ones. He was right and he proved it once, he landed at Tommy Lawton's
strip in Derbyshire with his secretary Allizon in the RH seat,( remember
her? she was very good at her job) when the time to fly back to
Kirkbymoorside came the tri gear wouldn't take off, on the ground 35kts
and no more! Allizon had to climb in with Jon Tye (mono) and was flown
to the local airfield; Ivan staggered into the air and picked her up
from the nearest bit of tarmac.
So, imho the monowheel Europa pretty well did what it was designed to
do, cruise like an EZ and fly from almost any strip. It also showed the
way for a lot of later designs. Easy derig, fast cruise, short take off
and landing. Even now, after how many years,10? it is still one of the
best touring machines, not many kitplanes will carry what a Europa does,
and cruise at 120 kts plus. Are there any?
Graham
PS, Mike, I think you would like Fergus if you knew him and vice versa ;-)
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Chris Beck <n9zes@verizon.net>
Paul McAllister wrote
>
>So, it back to the drawing board for me, if anyone can tell me where I can
>get a hold of some molybdenum disulphide lubricant in spray form I'd
>appreciate it.
>
>thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
Paul, try a motorcycle shop (or on-line motorcycle supplier) for chain
lubricants. Many are moly based.
Better yet, browse yourself to http://www.mcmaster.com/ and look up page
2018 in the catalog on-line. You can also just type in "moly
lubricants". You will find a nice selection of moly based lubes. I'd
also look at graphite based lubricants, as many of these are intended
for high temp industrial service on oven chains (look on page 2017).
I buy a lot of stuff from McMaster-Carr for work (and home). Prices
aren't the cheapest, but if they don't have it, you don't need it.
You'll have it next day, as it comes out of Chicago.
Chris
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Hagar <hagargs@earthlink.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/12/2006 8:28:36 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: MoS2 Spray
>
> In my younger days as a NY bicycle mechanic I used some material called
"Dri-Slide" which came in a white can with red lettering and a needle
applicator. I recall that is was mostly Molybdenum di-sulfide. It was
great for keeping the cables lubed and and pawls in the freewheels free.
>
> Steve Hagar
> hagargs@earthlink.net
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 5/11/2006 4:52:59 PM
> > Subject: RE: Europa-List: MoS2 Spray
> >
> > --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
> >
> > > Spruce sells Mouse Milk that is just for this purpose.
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Well I did a bit of digging and the spec sheet for Mouse Milk states
that it
> > contains Toluene, Hydotreated petroleum distillate, Isopropyl 99 and
Methyl
> > Isobutyl Ketone. No mention of MoS2.
> >
> > So, it back to the drawing board for me, if anyone can tell me where I
can
> > get a hold of some molybdenum disulphide lubricant in spray form I'd
> > appreciate it.
> >
> > thanks, Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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--> Europa-List message posted by: "Steve Hagar" <hagargs@earthlink.net>
In my younger days as a NY bicycle mechanic I used some material called
"Dri-Slide" which came in a white can with red lettering and a needle
applicator. I recall that is was mostly Molybdenum di-sulfide. It was
great for keeping the cables lubed and and pawls in the freewheels free.
Steve Hagar
hagargs@earthlink.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2006 4:52:59 PM
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: MoS2 Spray
>
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister"
<paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us
>
> > Spruce sells Mouse Milk that is just for this purpose.
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well I did a bit of digging and the spec sheet for Mouse Milk states that
it
> contains Toluene, Hydotreated petroleum distillate, Isopropyl 99 and
Methyl
> Isobutyl Ketone. No mention of MoS2.
>
> So, it back to the drawing board for me, if anyone can tell me where I can
> get a hold of some molybdenum disulphide lubricant in spray form I'd
> appreciate it.
>
> thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
--> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" <craig.ellison2@verizon.net>
Thanks all for the kind words on having had a successful first flight.
Since then Bob has taken 5CN up on several more shake-down flights and me
working nights making small changes to such things as prop pitch and cooling
duct baffeling. I took to the air last evening for my first try at flying
her and found I too have that distinctive Europa grin when done. Can't wait
to do it again. Five hr. done and 35 to go.
craig ellison
N205CN
silverton, or
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: First flight
> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Cliff Shaw" <flyinggpa@comcast.net>
>
> Craig
>
> Congratulations !
>
> We now have at least 5 in the Northwest of the USA. I am the only 912S, =
> all the others are 914. I will try to "keep up" with all of you.
> Welcome to the squadron.
>
> Cliff Shaw
> 1041 Euclid ave.
> Edmonds, WA 98020
> 425 776 5555
> http://www.europaowners.org/WileE
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Craig Ellison
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 1:39 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: First flight
>
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> --> Europa-List message posted by: "Craig Ellison" =
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> All,
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> Thanks all for input and ideas concerning mag drop problems. Regaped =
> to
> spark plugs to .028 and upon run-up today after the engine was well =
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> warmed up, both A and B dropped only 200RPM with no hesitation. With =
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> everything else in the green the first flight of KitA205/N205CN took =
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> Lindsay at my home field Lenhardt's (7S9) near Portland Oregon. The =
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> craig ellison
> Silverton, OR
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