Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 07/17/05


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 07:10 AM - Re: Brodhead Sustinence (Jeff Boatright)
     2. 07:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN (Jim Markle)
     3. 09:53 AM - Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted (Dick Navratil)
     4. 11:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN (Gordon Bowen)
     5. 12:19 PM - Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted (Christian Bobka)
     6. 02:22 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/16/05 (Douwe Blumberg)
     7. 06:01 PM - Engine questions continued... (Brad Smith)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:10:30 AM PST US
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    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead Sustinence
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> Excllent! Have fun! >--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx> > >Hi Friends > >This year give me the chance for visit Brodhead and OSK..i have flight >reservations, just waiting for me chief sign my vacationes, maybe this time >i can see a flying Piet... if something here needs something from Mexico >City, please advice me..... >Javier Cruz


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    Time: 07:36:52 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN
    What hoot! Well, I've marked my calendar! This is neat..... Having Powdermilk Buscuits....heavens their tasty....... sponsor my Air Camper (the way companies sponsored airplanes in the 20'-30's) would be a dream come true!!! :-) JM ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN Just got off the phone with Tiffany at Prairie Home Companion, Minnesota Public Radio. She called to interview me about my earliest memories of Prairie Home Companion. I heard some of the very first broadcasts in 1974. What they use of my interview will air in two weeks on the August 6th program. She was also interested in the fact that I'm building a Pietenpol Air Camper -- another Minnesota original, of course. Don't know if she'll use that on the air -- I quipped that someday we Piet builders may hold a Pietenpol fly in at Lake Wobegon. I'm sure they have some lovely grass fields suitable for Piets to fly in and out of... ; ) Anyway, tune in to PHC on Saturday, August 6 at 5:00 p.m. CDST. See you all at Brodhead a week from yesterday/today! Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 09:53:52 AM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted
    Chris Are you leaving Fri morning? If so, where are you stopping for fuel? Maybe we can meet up along the way. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted Fred, I will be flying overhead La Crosse on the way from Minneapolis to Brodhead. Look for me! Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: TBYH@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted Fred, Look for me with a pile of drawings next weekend at Brodhead. I would like you to see the plans for the Flitzer variants which you may really like better than the Pietenpol. I will have them with me to show to Larry Williams. It is the same construction style as the Pietenpol except that the design will fit you, yet it is small, and it looks cool. Engine choices range from VW to Corvair to Continental A-65 through O-200 and also the Rotec R2800 radial.... http://www.av8rblake.com/flitzer/ There are a multitude of single seat variants and one two seater.... Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted I don't know if Janesville, Wis., still has air service -- I'd be surprised if they didn't. American Eagle or one of the other commuter lines. Much closer to Brodhead than O'Hare or Milwaukee. Spins. Two years ago I signed up for an hour of flight instruction in an SNJ with the Warbird Adventure folks in Kissimmee, FL. Was basically my Father's Day gift for the next 10 years! They stick you in the front seat -- great experience and I recommend it! Anyway, my dad had flown SNJs at Pensacola in 1950 and one of his best friends was killed in what sounds to me like the classic too slow, too steep turn-to-final approach situation. The first thing my WA instructor and I did was stalls, power on/power off, flaps/gear up and down and then accelerated stalls. In a turn to the left, when the stall broke you could recover with the nose down, of course, and the wings essentially level. To the right, it happened so fast -- the right wing snapped underneath and the next thing I knew, I was inverted, looking "up" at the ground...a dramatic demonstration of what inattentive flying can do. Of course, we were at 5000 feet and recovery was no problem...however, recovery did use up about 1500 feet. Imagine this stall/spin at 800 or 1000 feet -- the math is quite easy -- you come up about 700 feet -- or shall I say six feet -- short! Both my dad's friend and his instructor were killed -- said they were both splattered on the inside of the canopy. You may have heard that Warbird Adventures had a fatal accident this past May -- lost a wing on one of their SNJs and killed instructor John Hedgecock and his "student." (I had met John when I was there -- wonderful person!) Wasn't the plane I flew, but resulting in an emergency AD for all T-6, SNJ, and Harvard operators to inspect wing attach fittings. Anyway, brings to mind what Assen Jordanoff wrote in one of his books, "Never, never ever, ever, never stall close to the ground!" Looking forward to Brodhead next weekend -- hopefully the warm weather we've been having in Wisconsin will break by then -- mid-90s for more than a week now. Of course, that's a cool wave for you Arizona or West Texas folks! BTW, if anyone has good metal fittings, parts for a Piet that they want to sell, let me know and if it fits my budget, we can make a deal next week at Brodhead! And if anyone is looking for a good, rebuildable 1600cc Superbug VW engine, let me know (I was once considering building a VP Volksplane, but came back to the Piet). Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 11:08:00 AM PST US
    From: "Gordon Bowen" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN
    Garrison K, Prairie Home and PBS are the only entertaining counterbalance we get here in AK, considering our daily dose of 3 hrs of Rush's "news" talk commerical radio. If there's to be a fly-in at Lake Wobegon, count me in even if I have to commerical fly down to FL and get ole quasi-Piete N-1033B. I'll be listening on 6 August, just like every saturday. "We'll keep the light on for you", Tom Bodette got his start in radio here in Homer as a volunteer for our local PBS. Gordon Bowen Homer AK ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Markle To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN What hoot! Well, I've marked my calendar! This is neat..... Having Powdermilk Buscuits....heavens their tasty....... sponsor my Air Camper (the way companies sponsored airplanes in the 20'-30's) would be a dream come true!!! :-) JM ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN Just got off the phone with Tiffany at Prairie Home Companion, Minnesota Public Radio. She called to interview me about my earliest memories of Prairie Home Companion. I heard some of the very first broadcasts in 1974. What they use of my interview will air in two weeks on the August 6th program. She was also interested in the fact that I'm building a Pietenpol Air Camper -- another Minnesota original, of course. Don't know if she'll use that on the air -- I quipped that someday we Piet builders may hold a Pietenpol fly in at Lake Wobegon. I'm sure they have some lovely grass fields suitable for Piets to fly in and out of... ; ) Anyway, tune in to PHC on Saturday, August 6 at 5:00 p.m. CDST. See you all at Brodhead a week from yesterday/today! Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 12:19:59 PM PST US
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    From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net>
    Subject: Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted
    Dick, I am planning to go on thursday and looking for friday to be a reserve day in case thursday's weather is bad. With Oshkosh starting on Monday, I think Brodhead might empty out pretty early on Saturday as everyone jockeys for position. chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted Chris Are you leaving Fri morning? If so, where are you stopping for fuel? Maybe we can meet up along the way. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: Pietenpol Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted Fred, I will be flying overhead La Crosse on the way from Minneapolis to Brodhead. Look for me! Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: Christian Bobka To: TBYH@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted Fred, Look for me with a pile of drawings next weekend at Brodhead. I would like you to see the plans for the Flitzer variants which you may really like better than the Pietenpol. I will have them with me to show to Larry Williams. It is the same construction style as the Pietenpol except that the design will fit you, yet it is small, and it looks cool. Engine choices range from VW to Corvair to Continental A-65 through O-200 and also the Rotec R2800 radial.... http://www.av8rblake.com/flitzer/ There are a multitude of single seat variants and one two seater.... Chris Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message ----- From: TBYH@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted I don't know if Janesville, Wis., still has air service -- I'd be surprised if they didn't. American Eagle or one of the other commuter lines. Much closer to Brodhead than O'Hare or Milwaukee. Spins. Two years ago I signed up for an hour of flight instruction in an SNJ with the Warbird Adventure folks in Kissimmee, FL. Was basically my Father's Day gift for the next 10 years! They stick you in the front seat -- great experience and I recommend it! Anyway, my dad had flown SNJs at Pensacola in 1950 and one of his best friends was killed in what sounds to me like the classic too slow, too steep turn-to-final approach situation. The first thing my WA instructor and I did was stalls, power on/power off, flaps/gear up and down and then accelerated stalls. In a turn to the left, when the stall broke you could recover with the nose down, of course, and the wings essentially level. To the right, it happened so fast -- the right wing snapped underneath and the next thing I knew, I was inverted, looking "up" at the ground...a dramatic demonstration of what inattentive flying can do. Of course, we were at 5000 feet and recovery was no problem...however, recovery did use up about 1500 feet. Imagine this stall/spin at 800 or 1000 feet -- the math is quite easy -- you come up about 700 feet -- or shall I say six feet -- short! Both my dad's friend and his instructor were killed -- said they were both splattered on the inside of the canopy. You may have heard that Warbird Adventures had a fatal accident this past May -- lost a wing on one of their SNJs and killed instructor John Hedgecock and his "student." (I had met John when I was there -- wonderful person!) Wasn't the plane I flew, but resulting in an emergency AD for all T-6, SNJ, and Harvard operators to inspect wing attach fittings. Anyway, brings to mind what Assen Jordanoff wrote in one of his books, "Never, never ever, ever, never stall close to the ground!" Looking forward to Brodhead next weekend -- hopefully the warm weather we've been having in Wisconsin will break by then -- mid-90s for more than a week now. Of course, that's a cool wave for you Arizona or West Texas folks! BTW, if anyone has good metal fittings, parts for a Piet that they want to sell, let me know and if it fits my budget, we can make a deal next week at Brodhead! And if anyone is looking for a good, rebuildable 1600cc Superbug VW engine, let me know (I was once considering building a VP Volksplane, but came back to the Piet). Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 02:22:20 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/16/05
    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Hey Brad, The typical model A prop seems to be a 76 x 42 or a 44. I have the former on my A. They tend to spin this prop from 1700 to 1850 static, depending on the engine. Mine has a weber carb and some other things done and spins at 1900 to 1950 static (on a cool day). I really researched the A before I went that direction, by interviewing as many people who have actually flown behind them and thus had real experience. I can email you my interviews if you like. Most people were happy, the ones that experienced problems were ALWAYS accessories, except for someone who used an improperly repaired crank, and a prop that flew off which upon inspection had been flying on two bolts for some time. Fuel seems to be the most common problem, and icing. It's a good engine, produces 35 to 40 hp stock, and up to 65 from guys like Perkins or Ron Kelly. I myself just finished a chevy inline six conversion with a planetary redrive to reproduce the performance of the 185 Mercedes DIII of 1918. It'll spin the original 9 foot prop at the correct 1600 rpm. Can send photos of that too. I'm thinking of an Albatross DII for this one, as soon as my Piet is done (hopefully this year, in time for Brodhead 06) Good Luck! Douwe douweblumberg@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietenpol-List Digest Server" <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/16/05 > * > > ================================================== > Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================== > > Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the > two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted > in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes > and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version > of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor > such as Notepad or with a web browser. > > HTML Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2005-07-16.html > > Text Version: > > http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list/Digest.Pietenpol-List.2005-07-16.txt > > > ================================================ > EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive > ================================================ > > > Pietenpol-List Digest Archive > --- > Total Messages Posted Sat 07/16/05: 17 > > > Today's Message Index: > ---------------------- > > 1. 07:41 AM - Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted (TBYH@AOL.COM) > 2. 10:24 AM - Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted (Galen Hutcheson) > 3. 10:36 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/15/05 (Brad Smith) > 4. 10:39 AM - Engine question of another sort. (Brad Smith) > 5. 12:44 PM - Another landing gear question (Rick Holland) > 6. 12:46 PM - Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN (TBYH@aol.com) > 7. 12:51 PM - Re: Another landing gear question (Rick Holland) > 8. 01:56 PM - Brodhead Seminars (Ron Franck) > 9. 02:18 PM - Re: Engine question of another sort. (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) > 10. 02:52 PM - Re: Brodhead Arrivals (Larry Nelson) > 11. 04:25 PM - The longest fuselage (Michael Turrell) > 12. 04:50 PM - Re: The longest fuselage (Christian Bobka) > 13. 04:54 PM - Re: Brodhead Arrivals (Christian Bobka) > 14. 08:49 PM - Re: Engine question of another sort. (Galen Hutcheson) > 15. 09:53 PM - Re: Brodhead Sustinence (Javier Cruz) > 16. 11:23 PM - Re: Brodhead Sustinence (Christian Bobka) > 17. 11:37 PM - Re: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted (Christian Bobka) > > > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:41:09 AM PST US > From: TBYH@AOL.COM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted > > I don't know if Janesville, Wis., still has air service -- I'd be surprised > if they didn't. American Eagle or one of the other commuter lines. Much closer > > to Brodhead than O'Hare or Milwaukee. > > Spins. Two years ago I signed up for an hour of flight instruction in an SNJ > with the Warbird Adventure folks in Kissimmee, FL. Was basically my Father's > Day gift for the next 10 years! They stick you in the front seat -- great > experience and I recommend it! > > Anyway, my dad had flown SNJs at Pensacola in 1950 and one of his best > friends was killed in what sounds to me like the classic too slow, too steep > turn-to-final approach situation. The first thing my WA instructor and I did was > > stalls, power on/power off, flaps/gear up and down and then accelerated stalls. > > In a turn to the left, when the stall broke you could recover with the nose > down, of course, and the wings essentially level. To the right, it happened so > > fast -- the right wing snapped underneath and the next thing I knew, I was > inverted, looking "up" at the ground...a dramatic demonstration of what inattentive > > flying can do. Of course, we were at 5000 feet and recovery was no > problem...however, recovery did use up about 1500 feet. Imagine this stall/spin > at 800 > or 1000 feet -- the math is quite easy -- you come up about 700 feet -- or > shall I say six feet -- short! Both my dad's friend and his instructor were killed > > -- said they were both splattered on the inside of the canopy. > > You may have heard that Warbird Adventures had a fatal accident this past May > -- lost a wing on one of their SNJs and killed instructor John Hedgecock and > his "student." (I had met John when I was there -- wonderful person!) Wasn't > the plane I flew, but resulting in an emergency AD for all T-6, SNJ, and > Harvard operators to inspect wing attach fittings. Anyway, brings to mind what > > Assen Jordanoff wrote in one of his books, "Never, never ever, ever, never stall > > close to the ground!" > > Looking forward to Brodhead next weekend -- hopefully the warm weather we've > been having in Wisconsin will break by then -- mid-90s for more than a week > now. Of course, that's a cool wave for you Arizona or West Texas folks! > > BTW, if anyone has good metal fittings, parts for a Piet that they want to > sell, let me know and if it fits my budget, we can make a deal next week at > Brodhead! And if anyone is looking for a good, rebuildable 1600cc Superbug VW > > engine, let me know (I was once considering building a VP Volksplane, but came > > back to the Piet). > > Fred B. > La Crosse, WI > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:24:28 AM PST US > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > b=NSGb+y3RYbJJ4ZruwJkKxRt+8nUJt2PMVnrxb3tWU32BbH6NXrzedtbubyr8i7gP86y7IfSTAi 5afan3NpcoQvvgqnMii0/sAv6tQXspPWx6JW0lBIra7MJER1l5SEBq/UfSILFuIPqX/uSGuH18Dy Aag8F8i8LBG/zViE1m0xc> ; > From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> > > Fred, that was certainly sad news about that flight > instructor and his student. That was one type of > accident that can be easily avoided. Your SNJ > instructor did the right thing taking you through all > those stalls because a pilot must know what the plane > he is flying feels like (note I didn't use the word > "speed") just before it stalls. When I fly a new or > different type of airplane, I always do a few stalls > before attempting to land the thing. If I make any > modification to an experimental plane, I repeat stall > tests. Many pilots either don't know, or refuse to > believe, that stalls can occur at any airspeed. The > stall is entirely dependent on relative wind and angle > of attack. The reason some pilots think that airspeed > is involved in stalls, is because in order to maintain > altitude at slow airspeed, you have to increase the > angle of attack. I know this is old news for most of > you, but this is a subject that needs to be addressed > from time to time. Stalls and spins are directly > linked. The plane has to have one wing stalled in > order for the plane to spin. The reason for the spin > is that the wing on the inside of the yaw turn (the > side the rudder is pushed) reaches the critical angle > of attack for the stall before the outside wing does. > The inside wing has no lift, the outside wing has > lift. This allows the lift on the outside wing to roll > the plane in the direction of the spin. A snap roll > is just a spin at a higher airspeed. The principle is > the same. Far too many pilots (and passengers) are > killed needlessly due to too many pilots not > understanding the stall/spin phenomnen and, most > importantly, not experienced in recovery from these > flight attitudes. An approach to stall, which is > being taught today, is no substitute for full stall > training. Stall training needs to be taken one step > further to spin training. This may be a dead horse > I'm whipping, but I have felt this way for three > decades of flying. > > Doc H. > > Do Not Archive > > --- TBYH@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Spins. Two years ago I signed up for an hour of > > flight instruction in an SNJ > > with the Warbird Adventure folks in Kissimmee, FL. > > Was basically my Father's > > Day gift for the next 10 years! They stick you in > > the front seat -- great > > experience and I recommend it! > > > > > > > > Fred B. > > La Crosse, WI > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:36:08 AM PST US > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > b=Z/rJfghcfKZMeCC12RhQeHyaZCRW0XK5sswxKhInI5zHKrrxtA2agm5yjLh44273yZB3698wTe sEfKoryM/ugHDy7IvNxmq5PO4Y6DE1QjQzsztqixtT6UVm9kCbjq1r+EWiIcTcUm1YypP/4fKh8V CcgsQmEKe5u8r3AjKQt5E> ; > From: Brad Smith <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 07/15/05 > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Brad Smith <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> > > Yup... I've done ONE spin... or my instructor did, > because I asked him to show me. Yes, a 150 WILL flip > on it's back and then enter the spin, or it sure feels > that way anyhow. VERY disorienting! (but kinda fun > too!) > > > Years ago when I started aerobatic training, of which > I did little, My > instructor insisted in starting with spin entries. > Being a new private > pilot I knew everything about spins. We had done them > in our training. > Well guess what; I didn't know squat. He showed me > the typical low > level > spin entries that kill people, steep turn, too slow > cross controlled. > Who > knew a 150 would flip over on it's back to enter a > spin (top rudder to > keep > the nose up) or sneak in to a spin on the inside > (bottom rudder to > hurry the > turn). Relevant spin training is important. > > Bob > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 10:39:39 AM PST US > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > b=Sc+QnzhD9XAth6l1cYfincAZ83IJOHiQrmrDeGY1fhEL5O8h4p20zztoNhAg7zSmksV78wAwGK u/alrkxtnUbWfvkEGd2lYLc8ZXSrJdm+/FW8Xlps5pjsRCVqo3kGx3K3w8Xh5tmtp4Di76UGVBF5 hPioccZ2fjG+2P5oZpRP8> ; > From: Brad Smith <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine question of another sort. > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Brad Smith <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> > > Gents, > > I'm not looking to build a Piet, although I like the > aircraft. I'm wanting to do a WWI replica, and need > an inline engine, which is why I'm on here. > > I'm interested in the Model A conversion, and have > some questions if anyone can help. > > What is the reliability of this conversion like? I'm > not talking about TBO, because as a "sport" flyer it > will take several years of flying to matter. I mean > is it reliable as long as it is maintained and within > reasonable TBO limits? > > Has anyone hooked one up to measure static thrust? > What prop size? > > How about weight of the conversion? > > Brad > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:44:56 PM PST US > From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Another landing gear question > > A note on the bottom flying strut fitting plate (1934 plans drawing 3) says > "Bend Up 20 degrees Here". According to my precise calculations the flying > strut angle is actually close to 30 degrees (arctan of 45"/80.5"). Making > the upper plate bend around 120 degrees. Should I just build it to the plans > or maybe find another trig calculator? > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:46:12 PM PST US > From: TBYH@aol.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Fly In at Lake Wobegon, MN > > > Just got off the phone with Tiffany at Prairie Home Companion, Minnesota > Public Radio. She called to interview me about my earliest memories of Prairie > > Home Companion. I heard some of the very first broadcasts in 1974. What they use > > of my interview will air in two weeks on the August 6th program. She was also > interested in the fact that I'm building a Pietenpol Air Camper -- another > Minnesota original, of course. Don't know if she'll use that on the air -- I > quipped that someday we Piet builders may hold a Pietenpol fly in at Lake Wobegon. > > I'm sure they have some lovely grass fields suitable for Piets to fly in and > out of... ; ) > > Anyway, tune in to PHC on Saturday, August 6 at 5:00 p.m. CDST. > > See you all at Brodhead a week from yesterday/today! > > Fred B. > La Crosse, WI > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 12:51:25 PM PST US > From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another landing gear question > > Sorry, never mind, I should have checked the archives first, looks like 30 > degrees is correct. > > do not archive > > On 7/16/05, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > A note on the bottom flying strut fitting plate (1934 plans drawing 3) > > says "Bend Up 20 degrees Here". According to my precise calculations the > > flying strut angle is actually close to 30 degrees (arctan of 45"/80.5"). > > Making the upper plate bend around 120 degrees. Should I just build it to > > the plans or maybe find another trig calculator? > > > > -- > > Rick Holland > > > -- > Rick Holland > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 01:56:11 PM PST US > From: Ron Franck <franck@geneseo.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Seminars > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Ron Franck <franck@geneseo.net> > > There was some recent discussion about what might be a good topic for a > seminar at Brodhead. > I know time is growing short ,so maybe next year, but I don't have a clue > as to how to use plasti-gage during engine assembly, specifically a corvair > engine. It would be great to see it actually used and perhaps some > discussion as to how to correct a situation where the fit-up is out of > tolerance. Any takers? > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:18:09 PM PST US > ETAtAhQn14TlDILg4FFAhbDNnXpZ5kh9UQIVAJqci4DYzsCfox4f75q3lS7HROw8 > From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine question of another sort. > 2005 10:36:29 -0700 (PDT) > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) > > Brad: I can't answer your question, but all I know is that some guys fly > the heck out of the Ford As, reliably, and others have nothing but > problems with it and end up replacing the "A" with a Cont. aircraft > engine. Leon S. Praying for a successful Model A---but have a Cont. A-65 > waiting in the wings just n case. PS Get hold of Ken Perkins ( Ford A > guru. Usually at Brodhead) I don't have his address, Perhaps someone > else has it. Good luck. Do not archive > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 02:52:33 PM PST US > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > b=IdY7wq4Xe4OzzaaDD9faI3Z5SQr+mr3iegroNh0pE6T/ruOiQ2S1fZPMAlyVtWkIuo1lcWmaLp dL/+mIb50CUTiu3jadHiOx0m+gX4LON0pf1NzKCW1Y3hjEfpXtn4Qo7bLCgp6xWR5nn4mJX01jsN IWskw/4otwM/yrOsIGuBQ> ; > From: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Arrivals > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com> > > > Last year I arrived by bus/motorhome. This year I am > flying in on Friday afternoon. Am I wrong in thinking > that the field is "closed" during some part of the > day, or am I confusing that concept with the "closed > runways"????? > > Should be arriving before 5pm. Anyone recall the > airport "closing"???? > > Larry Nelson > Springfield, MO > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH > 1963 GMC 4106-1618 > SV/ Spirit of America > ARS WB0JOT > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:25:30 PM PST US > From: "Michael Turrell" <emtyit@3web.net> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: The longest fuselage > > It has been mentioned that there are plans for a 172 3/8" fuselage and being 6'1" > tall these are the plans I would like to purchase as I would benefit from the > extra leg room.The only thing is I have not read where this plan can be purchased > from.As I understand it there are 3 lengths to choose from and Don Pietenpol > has the original or short for the Ford "A" engine and one that is 6" longer > for the A65 and corvair engine.If there is indeed a longest fuselage,where > do I order this from? Thanks in advance. > This is a great site,I have been working my way through the archives and enjoying > it immensely. > Regadrs,Mike Turrell > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:50:01 PM PST US > d="scan'208,217"; a="1320492468:sNHT32890178" > From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The longest fuselage > > Mike, > > the 172 3/8" long fuselage plans are available from Don pietenpol. he might refer > to it as the Corvair fuselage. If you talk to him, he will know what you > mean. > > chris > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Turrell > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:21 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: The longest fuselage > > > It has been mentioned that there are plans for a 172 3/8" fuselage and being > 6'1" tall these are the plans I would like to purchase as I would benefit from > the extra leg room.The only thing is I have not read where this plan can be purchased > from.As I understand it there are 3 lengths to choose from and Don Pietenpol > has the original or short for the Ford "A" engine and one that is 6" longer > for the A65 and corvair engine.If there is indeed a longest fuselage,where > do I order this from? Thanks in advance. > This is a great site,I have been working my way through the archives and enjoying > it immensely. > Regadrs,Mike Turrell > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 04:54:14 PM PST US > d="scan'208"; a="1172103579:sNHT22636930" > From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Arrivals > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > > Larry, > > They usually close the NW/SE runway and the NE/SW runway leaving the E/W > runway at the airports north side open. I have never seen the airport > closed for any reason during the flyin. The closed runways should be X'd > off with a yellow X at each end. I believe the E/W is the longest. Two > years ago, it was incredible windy and hot and it got to the point where the > E/W runway was unuseable for almost all aircraft which created problems for > arrivals. As a result, they opened the NE/SW runway. It was so windy, it > only took a few hundred feet to roll out so it did not impinge too much on > normal operations. > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Nelson" <lnelson208@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Arrivals > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Larry Nelson <lnelson208@yahoo.com> > > > > > > Last year I arrived by bus/motorhome. This year I am > > flying in on Friday afternoon. Am I wrong in thinking > > that the field is "closed" during some part of the > > day, or am I confusing that concept with the "closed > > runways"????? > > > > Should be arriving before 5pm. Anyone recall the > > airport "closing"???? > > > > Larry Nelson > > Springfield, MO > > Beechcraft Bonanza V-35B N2980A > > Pietenpol Air Camper N444MH > > 1963 GMC 4106-1618 > > SV/ Spirit of America > > ARS WB0JOT > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 08:49:48 PM PST US > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > b=RamG2XTTI1m4TVS/Z/EQZcYorT6R0vV2T02k6xF8f8h20QDEDPd/LgfyXnnWuEeA4nAojumQSv LiQU9aUpmsKZrAH0VKzoupSyet1p4H6WKD1BWAA/Bgn1d6Sp+tnMSyPNsZdDcUZ50VoLnAQCBCMw ZylRM8gWmG9DuzddkkPD8> ; > From: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine question of another sort. > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Galen Hutcheson <wacopitts@yahoo.com> > > Brad, I'm building a 75% scale Curtiss Jenny of sorts > and will be powering it with a converted Model A. > Though I haven't flown behind the "A" I've heard good > things about them. Ken Perkins is building my engine > for me and he is tops. The engine has been used to > power Pietenpols since the late 1920's and is a sound > engine if converted properly. What kind of plane are > your building, if I may ask? > > I'm interested in the Model A conversion, and have > > some questions if anyone can help. > > > > How about weight of the conversion? > > I think mine is supposed to put out 72 hp (with the > high compression pistons and other modifications and > is supposed to weigh around 210 lbs or so. > > > >Doc H. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > > Subscriptions page, > > FAQ, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 09:53:39 PM PST US > From: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Sustinence > hlink.net> > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx> > > Hi Friends > > This year give me the chance for visit Brodhead and OSK..i have flight > reservations, just waiting for me chief sign my vacationes, maybe this time > i can see a flying Piet... if something here needs something from Mexico > City, please advice me..... > Javier Cruz > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:23:30 PM PST US > d="scan'208"; a="1013346318:sNHT49400122" > From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Sustinence > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > > Javier, > > We will look for you! > > Chris > > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Cruz" <javcr@prodigy.net.mx> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Sustinence > > > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Javier Cruz <javcr@prodigy.net.mx> > > > > Hi Friends > > > > This year give me the chance for visit Brodhead and OSK..i have flight > > reservations, just waiting for me chief sign my vacationes, maybe this > time > > i can see a flying Piet... if something here needs something from Mexico > > City, please advice me..... > > Javier Cruz > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ > > > Time: 11:37:39 PM PST US > d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145"; a="1230876898:sNHT77332064" > From: "Christian Bobka" <sbobka@charter.net> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted > > Fred, > > I will be flying overhead La Crosse on the way from Minneapolis to Brodhead. Look > for me! > > Chris > > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christian Bobka > To: TBYH@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 1:35 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted > > > Fred, > > Look for me with a pile of drawings next weekend at Brodhead. I would like you > to see the plans for the Flitzer variants which you may really like better > than the Pietenpol. I will have them with me to show to Larry Williams. > > It is the same construction style as the Pietenpol except that the design will > fit you, yet it is small, and it looks cool. Engine choices range from VW to > Corvair to Continental A-65 through O-200 and also the Rotec R2800 radial.... > > http://www.av8rblake.com/flitzer/ > > There are a multitude of single seat variants and one two seater.... > > Chris > > Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TBYH@aol.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 9:37 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead, Spins, Piet Parts wanted > > > I don't know if Janesville, Wis., still has air service -- I'd be surprised > if they didn't. American Eagle or one of the other commuter lines. Much closer > to Brodhead than O'Hare or Milwaukee. > > Spins. Two years ago I signed up for an hour of flight instruction in an SNJ > with the Warbird Adventure folks in Kissimmee, FL. Was basically my Father's > Day gift for the next 10 years! They stick you in the front seat -- great experience > and I recommend it! > > Anyway, my dad had flown SNJs at Pensacola in 1950 and one of his best friends > was killed in what sounds to me like the classic too slow, too steep turn-to-final > approach situation. The first thing my WA instructor and I did was stalls, > power on/power off, flaps/gear up and down and then accelerated stalls. > In a turn to the left, when the stall broke you could recover with the nose down, > of course, and the wings essentially level. To the right, it happened so > fast -- the right wing snapped underneath and the next thing I knew, I was inverted, > looking "up" at the ground...a dramatic demonstration of what inattentive > flying can do. Of course, we were at 5000 feet and recovery was no problem...however, > recovery did use up about 1500 feet. Imagine this stall/spin at 800 > or 1000 feet -- the math is quite easy -- you come up about 700 feet -- or shall > I say six feet -- short! Both my dad's friend and his instructor were killed > -- said they were both splattered on the inside of the canopy. > > You may have heard that Warbird Adventures had a fatal accident this past May > -- lost a wing on one of their SNJs and killed instructor John Hedgecock and > his "student." (I had met John when I was there -- wonderful person!) Wasn't > the plane I flew, but resulting in an emergency AD for all T-6, SNJ, and Harvard > operators to inspect wing attach fittings. Anyway, brings to mind what Assen > Jordanoff wrote in one of his books, "Never, never ever, ever, never stall > close to the ground!" > > Looking forward to Brodhead next weekend -- hopefully the warm weather we've > been having in Wisconsin will break by then -- mid-90s for more than a week > now. Of course, that's a cool wave for you Arizona or West Texas folks! > > BTW, if anyone has good metal fittings, parts for a Piet that they want to > sell, let me know and if it fits my budget, we can make a deal next week at Brodhead! > And if anyone is looking for a good, rebuildable 1600cc Superbug VW engine, > let me know (I was once considering building a VP Volksplane, but came > back to the Piet). > > Fred B. > La Crosse, WI > >


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    --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Brad Smith <rx7_ragtop@yahoo.com> >Brad, I'm building a 75% scale Curtiss Jenny of sorts >and will be powering it with a converted Model A. >Though I haven't flown behind the "A" I've heard good >things about them. Ken Perkins is building my engine >for me and he is tops. The engine has been used to >power Pietenpols since the late 1920's and is a sound >engine if converted properly. What kind of plane are >your building, if I may ask? Well, IF I can get this whole engine thing sorted out, a 75% scale (may tweak that size figure slightly depending on factors like engine size, weight and HP) Albatros DIII. Funny as it sounds, I just can't find a modern engine as well suited, at least in a direct-drive application. Should come in around 500# empty and 800-850# gross, so I think we're ok with the model A. >I think mine is supposed to put out 72 hp (with the >high compression pistons and other modifications and >is supposed to weigh around 210 lbs or so. > >Doc H. Interesting... that is even lighter than I thought. Are you using an aluminum head? What other sorts of mods? Are you running insert bearings? What RPM is that HP figure for? Have you figured out the proper prop size yet? Sorry, I'm full of questions on this one... I joined the Pietenpol list to learn more about the A conversions actually! Brad http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs




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