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1. 05:07 AM - Re:construction order (The Minearts)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: construction order (MJBTOL@aol.com)
3. 05:16 AM - Re: construction order (Bill Howerton)
4. 06:45 AM - GEO Metro/Suzuki 1300 SVS fo sale (pcondon)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Construction order (Richard Vetterli)
6. 08:57 AM - Re: construction order (Leo J. Corbalis)
7. 11:29 AM - main contactor correction (Leo J. Corbalis)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: Re: Construction order (David Barth)
9. 01:17 PM - Re: construction order (Cdngoose)
10. 01:40 PM - Building tips - nose gear bungy and magnets... (Grant Corriveau)
11. 04:01 PM - Order of construction (mike honer)
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "The Minearts" <smineart@kdsi.net>
I completed the tail first, least cost and easiest storage, now doing the
wings, which I am storing against a wall in the garage, next am picking up
the fuselage, controls and gear in a few weeks. By starting on the tail
kit, I also had smaller pieces to mess up and reorder!
Steve Mineart
601XL, 2nd wing 80% done
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> 1. 03:45 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Lowell Metz)
> 2. 03:47 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Thilo Kind)
> 3. 04:17 AM - Re: Sun'N'Fun (caspainhower@aep.com)
> 4. 04:52 AM - Re: Corvair (Dave Kubassek)
> 5. 06:07 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (Dave Austin)
> 6. 06:10 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Jeff Page)
> 7. 06:28 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
(Scott Laughlin)
> 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Re: Corvair (Sean C.Caranna)
> 9. 06:55 AM - Re: disconnect switch (Bob Miller)
> 10. 07:50 AM - Re: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
(Robert Schoenberger)
> 11. 08:03 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (nhulin)
> 12. 08:42 AM - ch701 elevator trim questions (ray.stlaurent@vsea.com)
> 13. 09:08 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Brenton Battles)
> 14. 09:24 AM - Sun'n Fun Attendee List (Scott Laughlin)
> 15. 09:42 AM - snf (John)
> 16. 10:39 AM - Main contactor (Leo J. Corbalis)
> 17. 12:25 PM - Cadd Drawings (Dave & Darlene)
> 18. 12:32 PM - Re: Cadd Drawings (tongaloa)
> 19. 01:47 PM - Zodiac Subaru cowling and engine mount for sale (Paul
Hartl)
> 20. 06:04 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Attendees (Mark Stauffer)
> 21. 06:36 PM - Re: ch701 elevator trim questions (Chesterman Family)
> 22. 09:33 PM - construction order (john butterfield)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 03:45:27 AM PST US
> From: "Lowell Metz" <lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Lowell Metz"
<lowellmetz@earthlink.net>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
> <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> >
> > > Fellow Builders:
> > >
> > > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to
attend
> > Sun N
> > >
> > > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name
> and
> > the
> > >
> > > days you plan to attend.
> > >
> > > I'll Start:
> > >
> > > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
> > > Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2 Friday.
> > > Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
> > > Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the main campground
> > > Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
> > > Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
> > > Larry McFarland-Wednesday and Thursday
> > > Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather permitting)
> > Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
> >
> > Do not archive
> _========================================================================
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 03:47:37 AM PST US
> From: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Thilo Kind" <thilo.kind@gmx.net>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I will fly into Philadelphia on the 13th and drive down to Lakeland -
should
> be there on the 15th. Will stay until Saturday. Hope to see lots of
Zodiacs.
>
> Later
>
> Thilo Kind
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Fellow Builders:
> >
> > I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend
Sun
> N
> > Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and
> the
> > days you plan to attend.
> >
> > I'll Start:
> >
> > Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
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>
>
> Time: 04:17:24 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun'N'Fun
> From: caspainhower@aep.com
> uly 24, 2002) at04/07/2004 07:16:26 AM
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: caspainhower@aep.com
>
>
> <I would like to take a poll to find out how many of you plan to attend
Sun
> N
> <Fun and what days you plan to be there. Please reply with your name and
> the
> <days you plan to attend.
>
> <I'll Start:
>
> <Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
>
> I plan to attend Friday or possibly Saturday.
>
> Craig S.
> N601XS
>
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> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 04:52:05 AM PST US
> From: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Kubassek" <dkubassek@golden.net>
>
> The other reason i went Lycoming was not because of "Rich" but quite the
> opposite"Cheap".
> When i was looking at about 30,000.00 Canadian Funds, to go with a 912
> rotax, and about the same for a Jabiru.
> I found a high time 0235Lyc.for 5000.00 and had it 0 timed and now have a
> Brand New Engine for around 15000.00 Can.Funds.
> For a Real Aircraft engine.
> Call me Old fashion or what ever but i guess i run a little cement in my
> head when it comes to snowmobile and car engine conversions etc.....No
> Offense
> dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sean C. Caranna" <carannas@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Corvair
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C. Caranna"
> <carannas@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > I'm all for saving money! I guess if I were a rich man I would just go
> buy
> > a Lycoming and be done with it. Have you tried
> > http://mylist.net/listinfo/corvaircraft
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 06:07:22 AM PST US
> From: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Integrity of this List
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave Austin" <daveaustin2@sprint.ca>
>
> Could I in my humble position, make a suggestion that everyone on the list
> try to keep the Subject related to the msg text.
> Also, if you use the list to get together at Sun-n-Fun, great, but please
> use the "do not archive"
> This is a great list, with a lot of useful info exchanges.
> do not archive
> Dave Austin 601HDS - 912
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
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>
>
> Time: 06:10:59 AM PST US
> From: Jeff Page <orrem31@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeff Page <orrem31@yahoo.com>
>
> Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
> Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2
> Friday.
> Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
> Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the
> main campground
> Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
> Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
> Larry McFarland - Wednesday and Thursday
> Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather
> permitting)
> Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
> Craig S. - Friday or possibly Saturday
> Bill Cribb - Thursday through Saturday
> Brett Ray - I'll be there the whole time. (booth #58
> in the ultralights)
> Thilo Kind - Thursday through Saturday
> Tom Faulkner - Thursday & Friday
> Jeff Page - Saturday
>
> __________________________________
> http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
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>
>
> Time: 06:28:39 AM PST US
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Dave:
>
> So I take it you will not be there? :) This is my first time going -
I've
> had to watch everyone discuss this is the past knowing I would not be
there,
> so I know how you feel.
>
> Guys, keep the notes coming with the dates you plan to attend, and feel
> free to send them to me off-list if you wish. I'm making a list and will
> post it with a big "DO NOT ARCHIVE" before the end of the week.
>
> Scott Laughlin
> www.cooknwithgas.com
>
> ..............................DO NOT
> ARCHIVE..............................
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
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>
>
> Time: 06:48:21 AM PST US
> From: "Sean C.Caranna" <carannas@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: Zenith-List: Corvair
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Sean C.Caranna"
<carannas@bellsouth.net>
>
> Well if any of us "really" wanted to save money we would never have taken
up flying
> :)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
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>
>
> Time: 06:55:02 AM PST US
> From: "Bob Miller" <drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: disconnect switch
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bob Miller"
<drmiller@cvillepsychology.net>
>
> Zed,
> Many thanks for the help. Looks like one of these could be mounted thru
the
> firewall and operated with a choke cable, thus saving some money while
> freeing up some amperage for better use. That's what I'm going to try,
> anyway.
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <ZSMITH3rd@aol.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: disconnect switch
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: ZSMITH3rd@aol.com
> >
> > Gentlemen: Those desiring a healthy battery disconnect might visit
> > www.colehersee.com
> > The Pt.No. 75908 switch is the obvious choice, addition of the "lockout
> > device" listed on one of their sheets is a good extra.
> > Lots of PDF downloads available.
> > Cole Hersee is the source of the previously-mentioned Caterpillar
battery
> > switch. The Cat part number for the Cat version is 7N718 which is
listed
> on
> > e-bay for about US$40. This is the switch with the "Cat key" (which is
> NOT the
> > key shown in Cole Hersee web site).
> > do not archive
> > Zed Smith/701/R912/9x.xx%
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
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>
>
> Time: 07:50:52 AM PST US
> From: "Robert Schoenberger" <hrs1@frontiernet.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Robert Schoenberger"
<hrs1@frontiernet.net>
>
> If I understand the DO NOT ARCHIVE procedure, each separate massage AND
> REPLY will be archived unless these three words are included in the
message
> or reply. To build up a list and then at the end of a week means that all
> the intermediate messages and replies during the buildup are archived.
Hap
> Schoenberger 701 do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Integrity of this List (SUN-N-FUN ATTENDEE LIST)
>
>
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
> <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Dave:
> >
> > So I take it you will not be there? :) This is my first time going -
> I've
> > had to watch everyone discuss this is the past knowing I would not be
> there,
> > so I know how you feel.
> >
> > Guys, keep the notes coming with the dates you plan to attend, and feel
> > free to send them to me off-list if you wish. I'm making a list and
will
> > post it with a big "DO NOT ARCHIVE" before the end of the week.
> >
> > Scott Laughlin
> > www.cooknwithgas.com
> >
> > ...............................DO NOT
> > ARCHIVE..............................
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
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>
>
> Time: 08:03:45 AM PST US
> From: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "nhulin" <nhulin@hotmail.com>
>
> I'll be there all week. ...neil
>
> Scott Laughlin - Tuesday and Wednesday
> Johann G. Johannsson - Tuesday,Wednesday,Thursday,1/2Friday.
> Jon Croke - Friday & Saturday
> Jim Olson - Fly in 601HDS camp most of week, in the
> main campground
> Fred Hulen - Fly in weather permitting
> Robin Gould - Friday, Saturday and Sunday
> Larry McFarland - Wednesday and Thursday
> Mark Stauffer - Tuesday thru Friday (all weather
> permitting)
> Lowell Metz - Sunday 11th thru Monday19th
> Craig S. - Friday or possibly Saturday
> Bill Cribb - Thursday through Saturday
> Brett Ray - I'll be there the whole time. (booth #58
> in the ultralights)
> Thilo Kind - Thursday through Saturday
> Tom Faulkner - Thursday & Friday
> Jeff Page - Saturday
> Neil Hulin - All week, camping
>
> dO NOt aRChIve
>
>
> ---
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>
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
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>
>
> Time: 08:42:24 AM PST US
> Subject: Zenith-List: ch701 elevator trim questions
> From: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: ray.stlaurent@vsea.com
>
> I am a newbie about to order a 701 tail kit and have some elevator trim
> questions.
>
> Is the trim capable of trimming for approach speeds with flaps down, at
> least for the first notch of flaps? The more general question would be is
> what is the hands-off speed with flaps down (both settings) and trim full
> down trim?
>
> The only trim type available seems to be the RAC (MAC) electric trim.
> Have other types that have been used successfully on the 701 (e.g. manual,
> spring )? I saw in an old notice mention the availability of a manual
> trim.
>
> If the consensus is that the RAC is the way to go, I'll just order the
> trim with the tail kit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ray
> About to stop stalling and start STOLling
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 13
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>
>
> Time: 09:08:29 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
> From: Brenton Battles <brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
<brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> I'll be there for the full week, but not in my own airplane. Working
> in the Sheet Metal Shop. Got lucky, getting a request to fly the
> factory demo XL to SNF.
>
> Brent Battles
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 14
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>
>
> Time: 09:24:46 AM PST US
> From: "Scott Laughlin" <cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Sun'n Fun Attendee List
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Scott Laughlin"
<cookwithgas@hotmail.com>
>
> Fellow Builders:
>
> Thanks for all the replies from Sun'n Fun attendees. I have posted a list
> of attendees sorted by day of attendance and first names here:
>
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/SunNFun.jpg
>
> You might want to print this and bring it with you to the event. I'll
> update the list on my website if I receive any more emails concerning
> attendance.
>
> I'll email my cell phone number to anybody that would like to meet up on
> Tuesday or Wednesday.
>
> You might find me taking photos of the 601XL/Corvair that William Wynne is
> bringing to the ZAC booth. He has made an interesting cowl for this
> airplane that can be seen here:
>
> http://www.flycorvair.com/601.html
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Scott Laughlin
> http://www.cooknwithgas.com/
>
> *****DO NOT ARCHIVE*****
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 15
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>
>
> Time: 09:42:28 AM PST US
> From: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: snf
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "John" <jlifer@bellsouth.net>
>
> Scott, I plan on being there on Tuesday and Wednesday in order to catch
both Chris
> with Zenith and William Wynne for the Corvair conversion.
> John Lifer
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 16
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>
>
> Time: 10:39:01 AM PST US
> From: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Main contactor
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis"
<leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
>
> I checked my contactor from aircraft spruce, 18 ohms. This will require
780 ma.
> or.78amps., continueous. An alternative arrangement can be made where the
starter
> contactor connects directly to the battery. All Electronics has an
automotive
> ice cube relay (shape and size) that can easily handle all your power
needs
> and it has a mounting tab.The resistance is 81 ohms which takes only 180
ma
> or .18 amps to run continueously. The NC (normally closed) contacts are
rated
> at 30 amps. The NO (normally open) contacts are rated at 40 amps when you
apply
> power and close them.
> I use one in paralell with the starter contactor coil to disconnect power
from
> everything but the start switch. My electronics max out at less than 10
amps.,
> well within the limits of the NC contacts. This disconnects all the radios
etc.
> from power while the engine is cranking (putting all kinds of spikes on
the
> line) which will make them last much longer.
> I alos use one to power my autopilot servo because the AP switch is tiny
and will
> burn out.
>
> www.allelectronics.com cat # RLY-631 $2.25. They are so cheap because the
diode inside is bad. You will have to add an external diode to suppress the
spike generated when any relay (inductor) is switched OFF. I recommend
1N400, yes the voltage rating seems more than needed but my experience is
the extra $.03 is more than worth it. You can solder it to the base of the
coil pins and not interfere with the relay socket CAT # SRLY-2 $2.00 which
is worth it. or you can use push on sockets to each pin.
>
> One more caveat, never mount any relay with the moving arm axis of
rotation (hinge)
> paralell to the engine crankshaft. This relay, don't mount it with the
pins
> pointing fore or aft. I learned that lesson flying RC models in 1954.
>
> Leo Corbalis
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 17
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>
>
> Time: 12:25:32 PM PST US
> From: "Dave & Darlene" <dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Cadd Drawings
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
<dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
>
> I seem to remember seeing someone who had CADD drawings of the ribs etc.
for the
> 601 XL. Does anyone remember where these are located.
> Dave
>
> 601XL
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 18
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>
>
> Time: 12:32:11 PM PST US
> From: tongaloa <tongaloa@alltel.net>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Cadd Drawings
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: tongaloa <tongaloa@alltel.net>
>
> Please elt me know if you get response.
> The only guy I've run into with them did not care to share them.
> do not archive
> -t
> Dave & Darlene wrote:
>
> >--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Dave & Darlene"
<dnimigon@telusplanet.net>
> >
> >I seem to remember seeing someone who had CADD drawings of the ribs etc.
for the
> 601 XL. Does anyone remember where these are located.
> >Dave
> >
> >601XL
> >
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 19
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>
>
> Time: 01:47:02 PM PST US
> From: "Paul Hartl" <paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Zodiac Subaru cowling and engine mount for sale
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Paul Hartl"
<paulhartl@cox-internet.com>
>
> I have a ZAC-made Zodiac engine mount and cowling for a Stratus Subaru
EA-81 that
> is taking
> up space in my garage. Zac gets $450 each for these (last time I
checked), but
> you can have
> both the cowling and engine mount from me for $400. Perfect condition,
never been
> used. These
> may work for other EA-81 configurations, too, but you'd want to check.
Email
> me directly off the
> list if you're interested.
>
> Paul
>
>
> Paul Hartl, 601HDS, Jabiru 3300
> Tail, rear fuse, wings completed;fuselage nearly complete
> Flight Simulator 2002/4 Zodiac Website:
http://www.cox-internet.com/paulhartl
> email: paulhartl@cox-internet.com or paul_hartl@communityschool.org
> Sun Valley, Idaho 83340 208-788-9147
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 20
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>
>
> Time: 06:04:14 PM PST US
> From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mark Stauffer"
<mark.stauffer@comcast.net>
>
> Outstanding Brent!! I look forward to seeing you again!
>
> Mark
>
> Mark Stauffer
> 601XL Tail finished, working on fuselage
> Odenton, MD
>
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brenton
> Battles
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Sun N Fun Attendees
>
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Brenton Battles
> <brentbattles@charter.net>
>
> I'll be there for the full week, but not in my own airplane. Working
> in the Sheet Metal Shop. Got lucky, getting a request to fly the
> factory demo XL to SNF.
>
> Brent Battles
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 21
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> Time: 06:36:06 PM PST US
> From: Chesterman Family <chesterman@on.aibn.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: ch701 elevator trim questions
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Chesterman Family
<chesterman@on.aibn.com>
>
> order the one with the kit. I use mine at the beginning of each flight.
the
> standard tab is not large enough to allow hands off flap use but so what.
with
> flaps you will be on the ground in about 3 seconds ( slight exageration)
> unless you have a 200' strip you really won't use the flaps
> dave c 701
>
> >
> >
> > Is the trim capable of trimming for approach speeds with flaps down, at
> > least for the first notch of flaps? The more general question would be
is
> > what is the hands-off speed with flaps down (both settings) and trim
full
> > down trim?
>
> >
> > The only trim type available seems to be the RAC (MAC) electric trim.
> > Have other types that have been used successfully on the 701 (e.g.
manual,
> > spring )? I saw in an old notice mention the availability of a manual
> > trim.
> >
> > If the consensus is that the RAC is the way to go, I'll just order the
> > trim with the tail kit.
>
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> Time: 09:33:48 PM PST US
> From: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: construction order
>
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
<jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all,
> I am about to order my first kit section and am
> curious as to the order i should order the different
> sections of the kit. I am going to build the Zodiac XL
> and use WW's corvair engine plan.
>
> I am pretty sure I will be able to construct the ac,
> so it is not critical that i start with the rudder to
> see if i will enjoy the process. however, it seems
> pretty low cost to do the rudder as its price is
> deducted from the tail kit.
>
> I am thinking that it may be smart to order the plans
> and CD and study it for a little while before i start
> building. In any event, after the tail section, what
> order would you suggest as to the rest of the plane.
>
> my initial thought is to do the fuse first and the
> wings and other parts after. Just don't have any idea
> or preference. What are your views.
>
> John butterfield
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: MJBTOL@aol.com
In a message dated 4/7/04 9:34:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jdbutterfield@yahoo.com writes:
> my initial thought is to do the fuse first and the
> wings and other parts after. Just don't have any idea
> or preference. What are your views.
>
> John butterfield
Hello John, I am building the HD model, not the XL The fuselage builds around
the center wing spar so I beleive you would have to build this section first.
Do not archive, Mike. Corvair 601 HD ?% complete
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| Subject: | Re: construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
There have been a number of posts on this in the past. here are two of them:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I did the opposite from Brian. I built the fuselage first, and am going to
build the wings next. My reasoning was I could build the fuselage, get it
on its gear, the push it out of the garage while I built the wings. Brian
is right, the fuselage requires the wing spar, but, Zenith was willing to
sell me the wing spar separately, and then gave me full credit for the spar
when I ordered the wing kit.
Bill Howerton - N714BH
601XL corvair
> > --> Zenith-List message posted by: "dsherburn" <dsherburn@charter.net>
> >
> > I've been considering an aircraft build project for a while.
> > I want to build, but want to build from a kit. I'd be interested
> > in hearing from other who've built by buying the "sub assembly"
> > kits.
> >
> I built from subassemblies. First I built the tail feathers then the wings
> and then the fuselage. One advantage of building the wings before the
> fuselage is the wings can be easily stored up out of the way to get room
to
> work on the fuselage. Also, the wing center section comes with the wing
kit
> and you need this to complete the fuselage anyway.
>
>
> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> Airframe construction complete.
> Panel and engine installed.
> Nearly done.
> do not archive.
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "john butterfield" <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: construction order
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield
<jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all,
> I am about to order my first kit section and am
> curious as to the order i should order the different
> sections of the kit. I am going to build the Zodiac XL
> and use WW's corvair engine plan.
>
> I am pretty sure I will be able to construct the ac,
> so it is not critical that i start with the rudder to
> see if i will enjoy the process. however, it seems
> pretty low cost to do the rudder as its price is
> deducted from the tail kit.
>
> I am thinking that it may be smart to order the plans
> and CD and study it for a little while before i start
> building. In any event, after the tail section, what
> order would you suggest as to the rest of the plane.
>
> my initial thought is to do the fuse first and the
> wings and other parts after. Just don't have any idea
> or preference. What are your views.
>
> John butterfield
>
>
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| Subject: | GEO Metro/Suzuki 1300 SVS fo sale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "pcondon" <pcondon@mitre.org>
My 1300 GEO Metro from a 1998 auto, 38,500 miles is for sale. My building
partner "decided" on a Rotax and wrote a check for over 15K$ with out really
informing me. He is the "money" partner and I am the "labor" partner.
Anyway, this engine is the proper one for the RAVEN 1300 SVS conversion and
has all the wiring, computers, oxygen sensors and part that RAVEN lists when
you snag one from the salvage yard. I yanked the engine this past February
from a local salvage yard. The car was in the yard less then 2 weeks when I
got the call. Started up and idled like a little electric engine (smooth),
no oil or smoke, no water in the oil, no oil in water. Engine located in
south NJ. I paid 600.00 which is the average price for this engine - I
jumped on the deal due the great condition and shape of the engine. It's a
DOHC, multiport fuel injection, electronic ignition engine that can run the
turbo option from RAVEN. This is a nice, inexpensive engine option for the
701 or 601 Zeniths. Raven also has the engine mounts for the same cost as
Zenith for the Rotax mounts...i.e. no extra $$ lost or spent for the mount.
Contact pcondon@mitre.org.
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| Subject: | Re: Construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Richard Vetterli <richvetterli@yahoo.com>
John,
It sounds like you're only a few months behind me.
I'm also building an XL with WW's Corvair. Order the
rudder first! It is a really good way to get your feet
wet. The rudder is the easiest part to build and,
once completed, will make the rest of the project a
little easier to comprehend. The full plans, when
taken by themselves, are a little overwhelming. I'm
going in this order: tail, wings, fus, gear, canopy,
engine. From my research on line, this seems to be
the preferred route.
Rich Vetterli
XL Rudder done, working on tail.
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| Subject: | Re: construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I built my 601 HDS tail first, then the wings and stored the wings in the
garage rafters. The tail feathers went up too. The wing center section was
next and finally the fuselage which was a huge metal whale beached in my
garage blocking acess to just about everything.
Leo Corbalis
do not archive
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| Subject: | main contactor correction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Leo J. Corbalis" <leocorbalis@sbcglobal.net>
I rechecked the Alltronics relay RLY 631. I found that the low resistance of the
relay swamped the meter reading when the diode was conducting. THE DIODE IS
GOOD.
A test with a diode and resistor in paralell and found that the meter could not
detect the diode. I took a relay apart to be sure, disconnected one end of the
relay coil and retested by using the external contact pins. The diode was good.
Once again I learned to read meter with brain, not just eyes!
Leo Corbalis
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| Subject: | Re: Construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: David Barth <davids601xl@yahoo.com>
I decided to do all the other sections first and do
the fuselage last. Everything else can be completed
and stored relatively easily but once I start on the
fuselage I will have that large space taken up until
the project is completed. That was my thinking
anyway.
With the XL you can do it any order you want really
but you can't complete the fuselage before you do your
wings (in a lans-built project) or you will have to
try to match drill the center spar section to the
outboard spar sections from inside the plane. Not a
nice job or maybe even impossible. With the kits,I
believe these holes are match drilled already so that
would not be an issue. just my 2 cents
David
do not archive
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David Barth
601 XL Plansbuilder 15% done?
Making Spars - ready for Chromate and riveting
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| Subject: | construction order |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Cdngoose" <601xl@sympatico.ca>
I went for the tail feathers first in order to gain knowledge on small
surfaces and build up a tool catalog for the remainder of the work. Next
came the fuselage simply due to the reason that the wife is more likely
to tell me to work on the plane in the garage just so I can hurry up and
get it finished before she has to spend another winter scrapping the ice
off her windshield. But aside from a fuselage sitting in my garage I'm
also working on my wings at another builders place.
Mark Townsend
601XL EJ 2.2L
Alma, Ontario
-----Original Message-----
There have been a number of posts on this in the past. here are two of
them:
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Bill Howerton" <Bill@Howerton.com>
I did the opposite from Brian. I built the fuselage first, and am going
to
build the wings next. My reasoning was I could build the fuselage, get
it
on its gear, the push it out of the garage while I built the wings.
Brian
is right, the fuselage requires the wing spar, but, Zenith was willing
to
sell me the wing spar separately, and then gave me full credit for the
spar
when I ordered the wing kit.
Bill Howerton - N714BH
601XL corvair
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| Subject: | Building tips - nose gear bungy and magnets... |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Grant Corriveau <grantc@ca.inter.net>
I've upgraded my nose gear bearings now to include some UHDMP 'stuff' ...
thanks to all who replied to my earlier question.
When re-installing the nose gear bungee I had to 'rediscover' the method.
Namely, it doesn't work (especially with the engine installed) to use a
screw-driver or such device to lever the bungee up to the peg. Once there
the wider circumference of the peg makes it impossible to slide the bungee
on from the smaller-circumference screw driver/lever.
INSTEAD I found/made a pipe that fits OVER the peg on the gear leg, so once
the bungee is levered up, it slides on easily enough. I know, I know -- you
craftsmen/mechanically inclined types are probably thinking -- 'yeah? Of
course, so what?' -- but for any other 'workshop weenies' like me out there,
maybe this will save you some stressing and straining and skinned knuckles
;-)
Also, I have one of those 'magnets-on-a-stick' things for picking up dropped
nuts and washers that fall into the deep dark corners. I found another use
for it while having to reach into a small corner to install washers and nuts
on a bolt facing downwards. By sticking the magnet onto the top of the
bolt, then I could reach under and install the washer, and the magnetic
force in the bolt would now hold the washer in place. (I suppose a bit of
sticky oil or something would also work just as well -- it's just that I had
the magnet right there, and the thought occured to try this ... fwiw).
Now, back to my Spring Improvement program!
--
Grant Corriveau
C-GHTF / HDS / CAM100
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| Subject: | Order of construction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "mike honer" <amhoner@rtmc.net>
Been thinking about this..... I purchased the complete kit, and decided to build
it in the order indicated in/by the written/picture instructions, which was
probably a good idea.
The ZAC instructions are very much better for the tail section than the rest of
the machine, and that makes sense because of the commonality of the tail section
with his other designs.
Then, assembling the control components,...flaps, ailerons, etc, add to your knowlege.
The wings are straight-forward, but still offer the neophyte a chance
to screw up big time.
Once through those projects, I found that I was beginning to think in the way I
must to do a good job on the fuselage...You really have to think ahead here,
like in checkers, and learn how not to rivet yourself into a corner.
I once asked a builder who had just finished his 601 if he would do it again, and
he replied "in a heartbeat"...I am beginning to understand what he meant...what
a shame to not apply what you have learned to build a really perfect machine.
Happy Easter, Y'All
Mike Honer 50% done, 70% to go
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