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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Is the Digest Down??? (lwhitlow)
2. 05:56 AM - 701 headset jacks location? (RayStL)
3. 07:01 AM - Re: 701 headset jacks location? (LRM)
4. 07:21 AM - Test Flight (Rosalie DeMeo)
5. 07:29 AM - 601 wing locker hinge (burbby)
6. 07:29 AM - Static RPM (Mike & Kerin Gleason)
7. 08:37 AM - Fence (Bill Naumuk)
8. 08:38 AM - Re: Test Flight (Juan Vega)
9. 08:57 AM - Re: Static RPM (Jim Hoak)
10. 09:20 AM - Re: Fence (Dave G.)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: Fence (JOHN STARN)
12. 09:48 AM - Re: Fence (Robin Bellach)
13. 10:16 AM - Re: Fence (Jeremy McCourt)
14. 10:17 AM - Re: 601 wing locker hinge (LarryMcFarland)
15. 10:26 AM - Zenith Aircraft is arming the Iraqi Airforce!!!! (TYA2)
16. 10:29 AM - Re: Fence (LarryMcFarland)
17. 10:33 AM - Re: Static RPM (LarryMcFarland)
18. 10:42 AM - Re: Fence (ROBERT SCEPPA)
19. 11:14 AM - 701 Elevator Stab Mounting (Tony Bonsell)
20. 11:47 AM - Re: Test Flight (Edward Moody II)
21. 12:00 PM - Re: Test Flight (Craig Payne)
22. 12:08 PM - Re: Fence (Craig Payne)
23. 12:29 PM - Re: Test Flight (Craig Payne)
24. 12:44 PM - plumbers tape for break fittings (john butterfield)
25. 12:49 PM - Re: Fence (robert stone)
26. 12:57 PM - Re: Test Flight (robert stone)
27. 01:10 PM - Re: Test Flight (Craig Payne)
28. 01:36 PM - Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! (Carlos Sa)
29. 02:01 PM - Re: plumbers tape for break fittings (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
30. 02:20 PM - Re: Fence (William Condon)
31. 02:31 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Carlos Sa)
32. 03:10 PM - Fence retraction (Bill Naumuk)
33. 03:20 PM - Re: Fence (Trainnut01@aol.com)
34. 03:24 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Juan Vega)
35. 03:24 PM - Re: 601 wing locker hinge (Trainnut01@aol.com)
36. 03:28 PM - corner stabilizer skin rivet (Dino Bortolin)
37. 03:29 PM - Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! (Juan Vega)
38. 03:50 PM - Re: Test Flight (george may)
39. 03:54 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (george may)
40. 03:59 PM - Re: Fence (Juan Vega)
41. 04:04 PM - Re: 701 headset jacks location? (Juan Vega)
42. 04:09 PM - Re: Fence (robert stone)
43. 04:22 PM - Re: Fence (Juan Vega)
44. 04:33 PM - Re: 601HD accident (Randy Stout)
45. 04:42 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Craig Payne)
46. 04:42 PM - Re: Fence (Big Gee)
47. 04:46 PM - Re: Fence (Craig Payne)
48. 04:54 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Juan Vega)
49. 04:56 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (n801bh@netzero.com)
50. 04:56 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Juan Vega)
51. 05:04 PM - More Spam, Randy (Zed Smith)
52. 05:17 PM - Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
53. 05:21 PM - Re: Pet Store Tale (Zed Smith)
54. 05:29 PM - Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! (Gig Giacona)
55. 05:30 PM - Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick (Juan Vega)
56. 05:31 PM - Re: Test Flight - crew? (Gig Giacona)
57. 05:38 PM - Re: 601HD accident (Gig Giacona)
58. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! (Craig Payne)
59. 05:50 PM - Re: Fence retraction (LarryMcFarland)
60. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: 601HD accident (Randy Stout)
61. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: 601HD accident (Craig Payne)
62. 08:50 PM - 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (Arthur Olechowski)
63. 09:09 PM - Re: Fence (NYTerminat@aol.com)
64. 09:10 PM - Re: Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! (Paul Mulwitz)
65. 09:31 PM - Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (Paul Mulwitz)
66. 09:39 PM - Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? (John Bolding)
67. 11:30 PM - Re: Fence (TxDave)
68. 11:54 PM - Test Flight (Rosalie DeMeo)
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| Subject: | Re: Is the Digest Down??? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "lwhitlow" <ldwhitlow@comcast.net>
Matt
I'v only gotten 2 out of the last six digests
Comcast swears its not them but I really suspect Comcast changed the spam filter
Can you check the logs to see if other Comcast users are getting bounced
I reaize you're buzy and there is no rush here
Thanks
Larry Whitlow
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| Subject: | 701 headset jacks location? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
Is there a generally accepted place to put pilot/passenger headset jacks on the
701?
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Ray St-Laurent
701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
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| Subject: | Re: 701 headset jacks location? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Normally most put them on the panel right and left sides. However, I
preferred to have mine in the middle behind me. A little more trouble, but
the wires are certainly out of the way. I built a little box that sits
between the seats on top of the luggage compartment. There I have both sets
of jacks, a cigarette lighter, and cabin lights. You can see a picture of
it in the last picture on this page. http://www.skyhawg.com/piano.html.
Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:55 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: 701 headset jacks location?
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
>
> Is there a generally accepted place to put pilot/passenger headset jacks
> on the 701?
>
> --------
> Ray St-Laurent
> 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70685#70685
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>
> --
> 10/27/2006
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of
course is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics
in a three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load.
Any thoughts?
Brad
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| Subject: | 601 wing locker hinge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "burbby" <burbby@yahoo.com>
I am installing the left wing locker hinge. My hinge is taller (or thicker) than
what appears on the drawing. With shims installed the hinge will be approx
2 mm above the wing surfice. Will this be a airflow problem that I should be
worried about?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike & Kerin Gleason" <gleasons@visi.com>
Listers
I have a 912UL 80hp with a 68" Warp Drive. Pitch is set at 9 degrees at the
tip as prescribed. Based on what Warp Drive has told me and what I can
discern from the archives I should be seeing 5200 to 5400 static rpm. I am
getting just over 5000rpm and I have verified the tach.
I was wondering what you guys running the same engine, prop combination
were seeing for static rpm and at what pitch?
Mike
701 ready to fly
do not archive
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All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't think
this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but I
figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of
China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too close
to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to
work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms
of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
I am the same time away from flying my 601xl. what you need before you get behind
your plane is some time in the type. If something should go wrong at least
I would have the "feel" for the plane. In case of a problem you want to set
your plane for best glide, position for a landing spot, then work out the problem,
If you are not comfortable in the plane I personally feel like i would
be behind the plane in stead of ahead of it. If built well, flying the first
flight in a 601 should be a cake walk. It is an easy plane to fly, however
it is not a cherokee. The pitch sensitivity is tight compared to production aircraft,
tight steering is an understatement on the last 601 I flew. if you thought
of going somewhere, I swear it read my mind and was going in that direction.
What I did was call the factory to see where I can get some hours in a 601xl.
If you call around, you can rent for some time to get the feel of the 601.
to make a long story longer,
My advice is get some time in someone elses 601.
Juan 601 xl Tampa
-----Original Message-----
>From: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 10:20 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith-List: Test Flight
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>
>I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
>about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
>emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
>the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
>and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of
>course is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics
>in a three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load.
>Any thoughts?
>
>Brad
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Jim Hoak" <planejim@bellsouth.net>
Mike and Kerin,
I have a Rotax 912UL 80HP on my 601HD but have a GSC prop. I have it set at
16 degrees, but it at 2/3 of the way out the blade so we're not comparing
apples to apples, however the RPM thing should be close to the same because
you want to be able to develope full power/ RPM on take-off. I have found
that the cooler weather also affects the whole balance with this.
I was advised in the beginning ( 10 years ago ) to make sure I got 5100 RPM
static so that I could get about 5500 on climb out and would not exceed 5800
RPM max throttle in level flight. I did that ( it was in the cool time of
the year - in Georgia - about 40 to 50 degrees F ) and it worked out fine.
I've installed a new set of blades on my prop and have found that at the
same angle ( 16 degrees - GSC Prop ) now only gets me 4900 RPM static but
the RPM gets to 5500 RPM at cruise climb at full throttle. I haven't checked
it yet to see if it exceed 5800 RPM max throttle in level flight. I doubt it
since I'm getting less static RPM. Since I currently fly out of an airport
with 5000 ft runway the low RPM is not a problem, however if I were to go
into a short field and try to get out with a heavy losd on a hot day it may
be a problem developing full power. I will change the prop angle ( reduce
it ) so that I can get 5100 RPM static again.
If you are going to fly your test flight out of a long runway airport the
5000 RPM you,re getting would be OK, especially on a 701. At least you
probably won't overspeed your engine. I'm concerned that if you get 5400 RPM
static, that you may have an overspeed situation at full throttle in level
flight.
That's about all I can think of about it, Good luck with your 701.
Jim Hoak 601 HD - Rotax 912 UL - 532 Hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike & Kerin Gleason" <gleasons@visi.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:28 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Zenith-List: Static RPM
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike & Kerin Gleason"
> <gleasons@visi.com>
>
> Listers
> I have a 912UL 80hp with a 68" Warp Drive. Pitch is set at 9 degrees at
> the tip as prescribed. Based on what Warp Drive has told me and what I can
> discern from the archives I should be seeing 5200 to 5400 static rpm. I
> am getting just over 5000rpm and I have verified the tach.
>
> I was wondering what you guys running the same engine, prop combination
> were seeing for static rpm and at what pitch?
>
> Mike
> 701 ready to fly
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Bill, I think if you check you will find that the 911 terrorists did not
come from or through Canada. It was part of the original misinformation
supllied by your officials that turned out to be incorrect. None of them
came from or through Canada, they were all in your country as residents,
visitors or students. As to the rest, I think it is currently a goal to
pay Boeing a few billion to secure your northern border, they aleady
have gunships patrolling the great lakes. It really is best that I not
offer any opinion on your government. BTW can you get your abassador to
stop telling us what we should do, it's irritating.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but
I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of
China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
close to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to
work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms
of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
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WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend
the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the
world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE
PEOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in
influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL
ALIENS.
KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but
I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of
China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
close to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to
work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms
of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
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I must be missing something. What does fencing, terrorists, politics,
etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?
Do not archive.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G.
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
Bill, I think if you check you will find that the 911 terrorists did
not come from or through Canada. It was part of the original
misinformation supllied by your officials that turned out to be
incorrect. None of them came from or through Canada, they were all in
your country as residents, visitors or students. As to the rest, I think
it is currently a goal to pay Boeing a few billion to secure your
northern border, they aleady have gunships patrolling the great lakes.
It really is best that I not offer any opinion on your government. BTW
can you get your abassador to stop telling us what we should do, it's
irritating.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions,
but I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall
of China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
close to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing
to work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms
of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeremy McCourt <jmccourt@jeremymccourt.com>
I guess if someone crashes on the fence, they need to worry about where
to bury the survivors.
Robin Bellach wrote:
> I must be missing something. What does fencing, terrorists, politics,
> etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?
>
> Do not archive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Dave G. <mailto:d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
> *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Fence
>
> Bill, I think if you check you will find that the 911 terrorists
> did not come from or through Canada. It was part of the original
> misinformation supllied by your officials that turned out to be
> incorrect. None of them came from or through Canada, they were all
> in your country as residents, visitors or students. As to the
> rest, I think it is currently a goal to pay Boeing a few billion
> to secure your northern border, they aleady have gunships
> patrolling the great lakes. It really is best that I not offer any
> opinion on your government. BTW can you get your abassador to stop
> telling us what we should do, it's irritating.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bill Naumuk <mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>
> *To:* zenith list <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:36 PM
> *Subject:* Zenith-List: Fence
>
> All-
> Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I
> don't think this is an off-list topic, due to our list
> membership.
> I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
>
> Jeanne-
> There is no link on your website for editorial
> contributions, but I figured you could correctly direct this
> submission. Thanks.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa
> Please consider the following:
> I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the
> incumbent administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
> The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great
> Wall of China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed
> to stop the Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link
> fence have? Erecting such a fence is a blatant waste of
> taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face to our people who are
> dying to protect basic ideals that are being circumvented for
> political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
> immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial
> at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both
> parties allowed this atrocity of a law to pass! This only
> proves that our "Representatives" represent only themselves,
> and to Hell with the rest of the country.
> Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
> responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the
> Greek Empire, and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the
> rise and fall of the American Empire?
> 1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag.
> Too close to "Fatherland" Security.
> 2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada.
> Are we going to fence off Canada, too?
> 3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are
> willing to work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the
> decendents of the Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who
> were welcomed in through Ellis Island and did the same, then
> died in WWII fighting to protect the right to the "American
> Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their will on
> slave ships).
> This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and
> defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people
> throughout the world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in
> Washington. Don't think in terms of Republican or Democrat,
> think in terms of right or wrong.
> Thank you.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 wing locker hinge |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Burbby,
The hinge should be flush with or below the airfoil surfaces because you
will end up loosing lift or airspeed or both
with an obstruction that breaks the flow over the wing. Laminar it's
not, but you should make whatever correction
to get it to rotate the lid down without leaving anything above the wing
save the edge of the baggage compartment lid.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
burbby wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "burbby" <burbby@yahoo.com>
>
>I am installing the left wing locker hinge. My hinge is taller (or thicker) than
what appears on the drawing. With shims installed the hinge will be approx
2 mm above the wing surfice. Will this be a airflow problem that I should be
worried about?
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70703#70703
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Zenith Aircraft is arming the Iraqi Airforce!!!! |
Here is the link. Chris Heinz designed aircraft for the French, and then
for the North American market. He built a business in Canada and designed
many airplanes here and produced many kits and certified aircraft. The
big export market is the USA he built plants in Missouri and Georgia. The
plant in Georgia is called AMD. The CH2000 design certified in Canada is
now called the Alarus and built in Gegia. The CH2000 design is now
licensed to the Jordanians and being produced with upgraded power and
various surveillance gear for the IRAQI air force,. So finally we
Canadians have a new war bird in the skies. Unless you count the
Dehavilland DHC1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 series then Boeing and
Bombardier. Go to www.newplane.com and then find the surveillance
section. I was thinking of painting my CH2000 in up as an Iraqi
warbird. I flew my CH2000 right along the border from lake of the woods
to western Saskatchewan. No intercepts, no radar contacts or ???. GPS
is wonderful. I was curious what the real state of alert was. When I
had landed at Syracuse New York the NEW YORK ANG F-16s were tearing around
the skies furiously as if ww3 had begun...
Reg
Ex RCAF/CAF and CH2000 owner.
Yes the US government is going to pour a ton of money down the toilet
building a fence along their northern border but they could always spend
the money on Zenair surveillance aircraft. Doing so would then give a
huge supply of cheap surplus parts. If you want the government to waste
money at least do it on something to do with spin offs for the rest of
us. Not only that their might even be cheap surplus Zenairs for the used
plane market. So if you are paranoid and want a fence encourage the
government to buy a ton of Zenair surveillance aircraft, train a bunch of
pilots and you at least leave a positive legacy for government spending.
SO lets get those congress people building Zenairs by the
hundreds!!!! Just think of the technology flow down to the rest of
us on a Cost plus production plan to build a 1000 Zenair CH2000s !!!! :>)
For those who cross borders regularly it is always a stark
contrast to see Robocop on the US side of the border and happy Harry and
Hannah on the Canadian side (unarmed)... The fun part is when the
friendly Canadians tell them yes you can come to Canada but without
sufficient ID your US government won't let you back into the USA unless I
reject you at the border now....
At 11:48 AM 10/28/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>I must be missing something. What does fencing, terrorists, politics, etc.
>have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?
>
>Do not archive.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>Dave G.
>To: <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:19 AM
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>Bill, I think if you check you will find that the 911 terrorists did not
>come from or through Canada. It was part of the original misinformation
>supllied by your officials that turned out to be incorrect. None of them
>came from or through Canada, they were all in your country as residents,
>visitors or students. As to the rest, I think it is currently a goal to
>pay Boeing a few billion to secure your northern border, they aleady have
>gunships patrolling the great lakes. It really is best that I not offer
>any opinion on your government. BTW can you get your abassador to stop
>telling us what we should do, it's irritating.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>Bill Naumuk
>To: <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>zenith list
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:36 PM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>All-
> Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't think
> this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
> I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
>Bill Naumuk
>HDS Fuselage
>Townville, Pa
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Hi guys,
HOW ABOUT A "DO NOT ARCHIVE" WITH THESE POSTS.
If they don't belong in the forum, leave them out, find another group
who cares
enough to be a group that would act. When I'm reading the Zenith List
posts,
I am not political or anything else. Doubt many are either. Please
consider the
value of being responsible for these emotional posts. The archives,
content of our projects
and progress are adversely affected by these things. Let's stay on topic
or at least
add the appropriate Do Not Archive, Please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
> think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
> I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
>
> Jeanne-
> There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but
> I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa
> Please consider the following:
> I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the
> incumbent administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
> The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of
> China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
> Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
> such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
> face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are
> being circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't
> reversed immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial
> at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
> atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
> represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
> Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
> responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek
> Empire, and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of
> the American Empire?
> 1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
> close to "Fatherland" Security.
> 2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
> going to fence off Canada, too?
> 3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to
> work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
> Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through
> Ellis Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect
> the right to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought
> against their will on slave ships).
> This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
> Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
> rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in
> terms of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
> Thank you.
>
>*
>
>
>*
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Mike,
I'm not familiar with the low limits of pitch settings for the 701 so
equipped, but 9-degrees seems a bit low. Before
test flying your bird, get with Zenith and ask them what is the optimum
middle ground set.
Larry McFarland
Do not archive
Mike & Kerin Gleason wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "Mike & Kerin Gleason"
> <gleasons@visi.com>
>
> Listers
> I have a 912UL 80hp with a 68" Warp Drive. Pitch is set at 9 degrees
> at the tip as prescribed. Based on what Warp Drive has told me and
> what I can discern from the archives I should be seeing 5200 to 5400
> static rpm. I am getting just over 5000rpm and I have verified the tach.
>
> I was wondering what you guys running the same engine, prop
> combination were seeing for static rpm and at what pitch?
>
> Mike
> 701 ready to fly
>
> do not archive
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: ROBERT SCEPPA <rjscep@yahoo.com>
>Lets stick to building planes, then we can strafe the
>terrorists as they climb up over the fence or at
>scare them off. Do not archive....BS
--- Jeremy McCourt <jmccourt@jeremymccourt.com> wrote:
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Jeremy McCourt
> <jmccourt@jeremymccourt.com>
>
> I guess if someone crashes on the fence, they need
> to worry about where
> to bury the survivors.
>
> Robin Bellach wrote:
> > I must be missing something. What does fencing,
> terrorists, politics,
> > etc. have to do with building Zenith Aircraft?
> >
> > Do not archive.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Dave G.
> <mailto:d.goddard@ns.sympatico.ca>
> > *To:* zenith-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:19 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: Zenith-List: Fence
> >
> > Bill, I think if you check you will find that
> the 911 terrorists
> > did not come from or through Canada. It was
> part of the original
> > misinformation supllied by your officials that
> turned out to be
> > incorrect. None of them came from or through
> Canada, they were all
> > in your country as residents, visitors or
> students. As to the
> > rest, I think it is currently a goal to pay
> Boeing a few billion
> > to secure your northern border, they aleady
> have gunships
> > patrolling the great lakes. It really is best
> that I not offer any
> > opinion on your government. BTW can you get
> your abassador to stop
> > telling us what we should do, it's irritating.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Bill Naumuk
> <mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>
> > *To:* zenith list
> <mailto:zenith-list@matronics.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, October 28, 2006 12:36
> PM
> > *Subject:* Zenith-List: Fence
> >
> > All-
> > Attached is a letter to the our local
> paper's editor. I
> > don't think this is an off-list topic, due
> to our list
> > membership.
> > I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
> > Bill Naumuk
> > HDS Fuselage
> > Townville, Pa
> >
> >
> > Jeanne-
> > There is no link on your website for
> editorial
> > contributions, but I figured you could
> correctly direct this
> > submission. Thanks.
> > Bill Naumuk
> > Townville, Pa
> > Please consider the following:
> > I'm normally apolitical, but the
> recent actions of the
> > incumbent administration mandate my
> humble, dissenting opinion.
> > The fence between Mexico and the US is
> a farce. The Great
> > Wall of China, with it's watchtowers
> manned by archers failed
> > to stop the Mongols- what chance does 760
> miles of chain link
> > fence have? Erecting such a fence is a
> blatant waste of
> > taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face
> to our people who are
> > dying to protect basic ideals that are
> being circumvented for
> > political reasons. If this decision isn't
> reversed
> > immediately, you and I are no better than
> the Nazis on trial
> > at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is,
> both
> > parties allowed this atrocity of a law to
> pass! This only
> > proves that our "Representatives"
> represent only themselves,
> > and to Hell with the rest of the country.
> > Bureaucracy has taken over.
> Self-sustaining government was
> > responsible for the rise and fall of the
> Roman Empire, the
> > Greek Empire, and the British Empire. Are
> we witnessing the
> > rise and fall of the American Empire?
> > 1. The label Department of Homeland
> Security makes me gag.
> > Too close to "Fatherland" Security.
> > 2. The 911 bombers came into the
> country through Canada.
> > Are we going to fence off Canada, too?
> > 3. We're trying to keep out
> hardworking people who are
> > willing to work for less than US citizens.
> Most of us are the
> > decendents of the Italians, Irish, Polish,
> and Russians who
> > were welcomed in through Ellis Island and
> did the same, then
> > died in WWII fighting to protect the right
> to the "American
> > Dream." (Not to mention those brought
> against their will on
> > slave ships).
> > This time, you and I as Americans have
> to step up and
> > defend the Constitution, written to
> protect oppressed people
> > throughout the world rather than the
> "Misrepresentatives" in
> > Washington. Don't think in terms of
> Republican or Democrat,
> > think in terms of right or wrong.
> > Thank you.
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| Subject: | 701 Elevator Stab Mounting |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Tony Bonsell" <tbonsell@luxuria.com>
Hi Guys
I'm mounting my elevator to the horizontal stabilizer, and I seem to have
encountered a bit of a problem. In the photo manual, it says to support the
elevator in A neutral position, and it shows a 2x4 block holding the
elevator up. Then I have the deflection template plans that shows THE
neutral position as being when the top of the elevator and the stab are in
line.
When you put a block under the elevator, the front of the elevator rotates
and kicks the pivot point up (down) up a couple of mm and throws off my
centre hinge point. How did you guys do it?
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Edward Moody II" <dredmoody@cox.net>
If you have doubts and second thoughts, then you are not the guy to fly the
plane for the first couple of hours. Your doubts will reduce your
concentration and make you less fit to be the test pilot than you actually
are. While we're on the subject, another pilot who has never flown a plane
like yours is not a great choice either. Mid Atlantic Sportplanes (and
probably others) offer instruction in the 601XL.... is that your model? You
did not make that clear. In any case, get enough time in the model you built
to feel confident (not over-confident... that's dangerous too) then do your
own test flight if you want to.
Ed Moody II
Rayne, LA
601XL/Jabiru/cabin area
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>
> I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
> about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
> emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
> the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
> and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of course
> is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics in a
> three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load. Any
> thoughts?
>
> Brad
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I face the same dilemma and will find a "qualified" test pilot for the first
flight or two - someone skilled enough to react quickly and correctly to any
unusual behavior of the aircraft. But it places you in a difficult moral
position. You are asking someone to risk their life based on your
construction skills. Best to get them involved in observing your
construction so they can make an informed decision.
As to tracking all the data here are a couple of ideas:
- just fly the plane and observe general flight characteristics
- have someone on the radio log readings and observations you broadcast (on
an empty channel)
- buy a small digital voice recorder and connect it into your intercom - my
Lightspeed headset has a cell phone interface which I'll be testing. The
voice recorders are cheap. My Sony ICD-B300 cost under $40 at the local
office supply superstore.
- Install one of the "cheap" glass panels and log the data output. The GRT
and Dynon units send data out the serial port which can be captured by a
laptop while the MGL Avionics' Enigma can record to its own memory card.
-- Craig
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I too wish to apologize to our Mexican (and Canadian when it comes to that)
members.
-- Craig
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
On the left coast you can get 601XL time at Dragonfly Aviation in Santa
Rosa, CA (just down the road from Michael Heintz's Quality Sports Planes).
There are also these folks in western Colorado (but I'm not sure they
actually have a 601XL yet): www.gjsportpilot.com/
I believe there is also 601XL instruction available in Arizona but I have
lost the link.
If you can't find a 601XL consider the Evektor Sport Star at St. Charles
Flying Service in MO. That is what I soloed in and its flight
characteristics resemble the 601XLs.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | plumbers tape for break fittings |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: john butterfield <jdbutterfield@yahoo.com>
hi list
do i need to use teflon tape to seal the fittings to
the brake cylinders and brake housing
john butterfield
XL, corvair,
torrance, ca
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> 1. 06:32 AM - Trim tabs (robert stone)
> 2. 06:41 AM - Re: Trim tabs
> (crvsecretary@aol.com)
> 3. 07:10 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Robin Bellach)
> 4. 07:29 AM - Accident Investigation Results
> (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
> 5. 07:43 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Zodie Rocket)
> 6. 07:52 AM - Re: Accident Investigation
> Results (Zodie Rocket)
> 7. 08:00 AM - CH601XL Brake Lines (Hunt
> Malcolm)
> 8. 08:20 AM - sheet metal brake (Dave
> Ruddiman)
> 9. 08:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Robin
> Bellach)
> 10. 09:15 AM - Re: Trim tabs (Charles Wacker)
> 11. 09:48 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Juan
> Vega)
> 12. 09:55 AM - Re: Accident Investigation
> Results (Juan Vega)
> 13. 09:56 AM - Re: Accident Investigation
> Results (JAPhillipsGA@aol.com)
> 14. 10:28 AM - Re: Accident Investigation
> Results (Zodie Rocket)
> 15. 10:52 AM - Re: CH601XL Brake Lines (Geoff
> Heap)
> 16. 12:54 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Geoff
> Heap)
> 17. 01:45 PM - Re: 601 seat belt attachment
> history. (Chuck Deiterich)
> 18. 03:28 PM - EAA 774 Bald Eagle Day (Matt
> Stecher)
> 19. 03:45 PM - About Zodiac's weight (Roberto
> Ap. Rodrigues de Brito)
> 20. 03:58 PM - Re: Culver Props/ Valley Eng 701
> VW engine firewall forward p (Kemter)
> 21. 04:23 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (ROBERT
> SCEPPA)
> 22. 04:48 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Dave
> Ruddiman)
> 23. 04:53 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight
> (LarryMcFarland)
> 24. 05:40 PM - Re: Accident Investigation
> Results (n801bh@netzero.com)
> 25. 05:51 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Paul
> Mulwitz)
> 26. 06:40 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight (Juan
> Vega)
> 27. 06:51 PM - Re: About Zodiac's weight
> (Southern Reflections)
> 28. 07:00 PM - Bending small brackets, etc
> (George Swinford)
> 29. 07:28 PM - Sheet Metal Brake (Dave
> Ruddiman)
> 30. 07:28 PM - Re: sheet metal brake (Ron
> Lendon)
> 31. 11:51 PM - Test Please delete (Randy Stout)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:32:06 AM PST US
> From: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
>
> Netters.
> This message is for those of you who are
> building the ZodiacXL from
> the standard kit. I would like to know if the left
> or right wing trim
> system including the tab, moter, wiring, up & down
> switch is furnished
> as a part of the kit or is this an option available
> for more money.
>
> Bob Stone
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:41:01 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
> From: crvsecretary@aol.com
>
> Hello Bob:
>
> You need the aileron trim tab kit
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/trim.html
>
> I do not believe it is furnished with the
> Quick-build kit; it was extra cost when
> I purchased my standard kit.
>
> Tracy Smith
> 601XL
> N458XL (reserved)
> working on wings
> do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rstone4@hot.rr.com
> Sent: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 10:57 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
>
>
> Netters.
> This message is for those of you who are
> building the ZodiacXL from the standard
> kit. I would like to know if the left or right wing
> trim system including
> the tab, moter, wiring, up & down switch is
> furnished as a part of the kit
> or is this an option available for more money.
>
> Bob Stone
>
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:10:59 AM PST US
> From: "Robin Bellach" <601zv@ritternet.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
>
> It's an option at additional cost. Per ZAC web site:
>
> AILERON TRIM TAB KIT $330
> Recessed tab located in the left aileron. Electric
> motor actuation, with
> push-button control and position indicator.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: robert stone
> To: Zenith List
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 9:57 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Trim tabs
>
>
> Netters.
> This message is for those of you who are
> building the ZodiacXL
> from the standard kit. I would like to know if the
> left or right wing
> trim system including the tab, moter, wiring, up &
> down switch is
>
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I thought this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about
building Zenith airplanes, not a political forum. If you people want to
engage in this kind of dialog, do it off net.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and
defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout
the world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE
PEOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in
influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL
ALIENS.
KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions,
but I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall
of China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
close to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we
going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing
to work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms
of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "robert stone" <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
Rosalie,
It's a good safe design so if you have built it the way it was designed
to be built it should be a safe airplane to fly. So much for equipment
failure. If you are a low time pilot get one of the local flight
instrtuctors who has a lot of experence flying different aircraft to go with
you until you feel that you can handle the plane. When you feel safe by
yourself, pay the guy off and fly alone.
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosalie DeMeo" <rosestar@sonic.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:20 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test Flight
> --> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>
> I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
> about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
> emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
> the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
> and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of course
> is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics in a
> three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load. Any
> thoughts?
>
> Brad
>
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I thought that during the fly-off period there could only be a pilot in the
plane (i.e. no "passenger")?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
Two things came to mind when I read this post.
Some time ago, one of the members of this list had his first flight performed by
someone else. The plane crashed, the pilot did not survive.
Every time I think of my first flight, this event comes to mind. I think I'll do
it myself...
Now the second thing that comes to mind: gadgets!
A few links to Youtube clips were posted recently, that show some interesting uses
for video cameras.
Some additional samples below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCy_UdUYPnE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JIUL9-xTHg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASASPZ_k6s
My idea is to have a camera mounted on board, trained on the instrument panel and
transmiting to a ground crew. They would help monitoring the instruments and
would warn the pilot of any abnormal readings.
This would possibly reduce the pilot's workload - or at least provide some comforting
"company" -, and, if recorded, a great tool to review the flight.
I don't know much about electronics or video, but there seems to be lots of equipment
out there that could do the trick. Below a few links I found. Millions
(literally) of hits.
http://www.wirelessvideocameras.com/
http://www.microvideo.ca/
http://www.rf-links.com/
Probably the most time-consuming part of this project would be the equipment selection...
Happy building
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
----- Original Message ----
From: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:20:47 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Test Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of
course is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics
in a three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load.
Any thoughts?
Brad
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| Subject: | Re: plumbers tape for break fittings |
I did use a type of brass fitting thread lube; like grease, but no tef tape.
Never had a leak (yet).
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I have learned in life that there are two things that just about every last
person in the world has passionate views about - religion and politics.
And, for every person we find who agrees with our political/religious view,
there is certainly another person who will disagree with that view. The
beauty of this list is that we can rest with the knowledge that there is a
place where absolutely every last member shares the same view - the view
that safely building, flying, and maintaining experimental aircraft is of
paramount importance for all who engage in this endeavor.
It would be sad, indeed, if we allowed ourselves to divide up along
political / religious / national / etc lines. I learn for all of your posts
- when I build my aircraft, I want all of you on my team. But, if we allow
this list to be a political forum, there is certain to be many of you that
will be someplace else when I am ready to ask my questions.
Bill C.
0% (due to military orders that have me outside of country)
_____
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
I thought this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about building
Zenith airplanes, not a political forum. If you people want to engage in
this kind of dialog, do it off net.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN <mailto:jhstarn@verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE
PEOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in influx
of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL ALIENS.
KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk <mailto:naumuk@alltel.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't think this
is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but I
figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent
administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of China,
with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the Mongols- what
chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting such a fence is a
blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face to our people who
are dying to protect basic ideals that are being circumvented for political
reasons. If this decision isn't reversed immediately, you and I are no
better than the Nazis on trial at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is,
both parties allowed this atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that
our "Representatives" represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest
of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was responsible
for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, and the British
Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too close to
"Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we going to
fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to work
for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the Italians,
Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis Island and
did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right to the
"American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their will on slave
ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world
rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms of
Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
But are you allowed to have crew?
Carlos
do not archive
----- Original Message ----
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:10:28 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Test Flight
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
I thought that during the fly-off period there could only be a pilot in the
plane (i.e. no "passenger")?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Fence retraction |
All-
My apologies for considering the international members of this list,
and forgetting to add "Do not archive" to my posting.
Over and out- permanently.
do not archive
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
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A 700 mile fence on a 3000 mile boarder won't work. Somebody needs to do the
math.
Carroll Jernigan
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
If you document by showing pictures or in a diary, you can have another person
in the fly off psigns off and you show documentation.
Juan
601xl Tampa
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 5:30 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
>But are you allowed to have crew?
>
>Carlos
>do not archive
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:10:28 PM
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Test Flight
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>I thought that during the fly-off period there could only be a pilot in the
>plane (i.e. no "passenger")?
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601 wing locker hinge |
Burbey
I'm sure you've thought of this but just in case-I had the same problem
befor I turned the hinge over.
Carroll Jernigan
do not aechive
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| Subject: | corner stabilizer skin rivet |
Hello fellow builders,
I have a question about the rivet that is installed at the overlapping area
between the ends of the stabilizer spars and the end rib. The construction
manual shows a rivet at this spot (the circled one in the attached picture).
But, because of the bend radius of the end rib flange, when the end rib is
installed there can't be enough overlap between the parts at this location
to satisfy the edge distances. I have 14mm there on mine. How have other
builders dealt with this?
Dino Bortolin
XL/Corvair - tail
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
great videos! I hope your first take off is not as bumpy as the cherokees"
Juan 601 xl Tampa
-----Original Message-----
>From: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 4:36 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets!
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Carlos Sa <carlosfsa@yahoo.com>
>
>Two things came to mind when I read this post.
>Some time ago, one of the members of this list had his first flight performed
by someone else. The plane crashed, the pilot did not survive.
>Every time I think of my first flight, this event comes to mind. I think I'll
do it myself...
>
>Now the second thing that comes to mind: gadgets!
>
>A few links to Youtube clips were posted recently, that show some interesting
uses for video cameras.
>Some additional samples below:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCy_UdUYPnE
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JIUL9-xTHg
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASASPZ_k6s
>
>My idea is to have a camera mounted on board, trained on the instrument panel
and transmiting to a ground crew. They would help monitoring the instruments and
would warn the pilot of any abnormal readings.
>This would possibly reduce the pilot's workload - or at least provide some comforting
"company" -, and, if recorded, a great tool to review the flight.
>
>I don't know much about electronics or video, but there seems to be lots of equipment
out there that could do the trick. Below a few links I found. Millions
(literally) of hits.
>http://www.wirelessvideocameras.com/
>http://www.microvideo.ca/
>http://www.rf-links.com/
>
>Probably the most time-consuming part of this project would be the equipment selection...
>
>
>Happy building
>
>
>Carlos
>CH601-HD, plans
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 10:20:47 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: Test Flight
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
>
>I am about two months from finishing N601BD, so I am soliciting thoughts
>about the test flight. I am a relatively low hours pilot. With mixed
>emotions about it, I am leaning to having someone more experienced make
>the first flight. I've read several "first flight" articles, pamphlets
>and even a full book about it. What have others done? Safety, of
>course is my conern. The distraction of monitoring all those statistics
>in a three to five minute tour in the pattern seems like a heavy load.
>Any thoughts?
>
>Brad
>
>
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
Brad
I just went through the same decision process. This is the second plane I
have built. I was very concerned about the first flight on the first plane
I built and went with a test pilot. I was glad I did, since when I finally
did fly it myself it was a handful for awhile. After 400 hours in homebuilts
and a couple of hours familarization in the 601XL I was confident I could
make the first flight in my 601XL and I did.
If you have any doubts about your capabilities to do the first flight, you
probably should not do it. You probably could handle it if everything goes
right, but will you keep enough presence of mind when issues occur.
My first flight in the XL required significant backpressure to fly level.
After a very focused but uneventful landing I ended up readjusting the stab.
My second flight had a partial engine power loss, resulting in a short
careful flight around the pattern and luckily a landing with no incident.
Both issues really get your attention and test your flight capabilities.
Hopefully neither you nor your test pilot will have any issues but just be
prepared mentally in case of.
Happily ,I'm into the 2nd hour of test flying and things are going well.
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
> >But are you allowed to have crew?
> >
Carlos-
I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are
part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
George May
601XL 912s
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Bill,
AS a member of the list membership you are refering to ( Mexican- Cuban- American,
beaner, what ever) I told myself that I would not respond to this, because
this web forum is just for us guys and gals that work hard during the day, and
drink beer ( my brand is Dos X) and build airplanes at night after the kids
go to sleep. I will be super brief. The fence according to all my Mexican relatives,
(yes we too swam across the river for a job many moons ago), feel the
fence is actually a good thing. I know, you are reading this twice thinking
"what is this beaner smoking!" but believe it or not My uncle who came across
the border with wife in tow in the sixties as well as all my cousins ( too many
to list), agree with the fence, becuase it is extremely dangerous to cross
and it may prove to save lives, the distance from the border to some of the towns
is measured in miles and its hot and dry, and the walk can and has killed
many people. The people that truck the families over are also some of the nastiest-
meanest people you may run into. So us folks you are trying to defend,
and you are talking about, agree about the fence. Hey dude, I think its cool
that you can say your peece, that is why we came her right? Its O.K. dude, believe
me If we want to get across, trust me we will. Feel free to email me direct,
and let the rest of our friends on this email work on some fun and exciting
projects. Let us move on.
Dos X is a Mexican beer for all you Canadian beer drinkers by the way. It is an
acquired taste.
Juan Antonio Rodriguez Vega
601 xl Tampa
-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Naumuk <naumuk@alltel.net>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 11:36 AM
>To: zenith list <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>All-
> Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't think this is
an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
> I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
>Bill Naumuk
>HDS Fuselage
>Townville, Pa
>
>
>Jeanne-
> There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but I figured
you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
>Bill Naumuk
>Townville, Pa
> Please consider the following:
> I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent administration
mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
> The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of China, with
it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the Mongols- what chance
does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting such a fence is a blatant waste
of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face to our people who are dying to
protect basic ideals that are being circumvented for political reasons. If this
decision isn't reversed immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis
on trial at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives" represent
only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
> Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was responsible for
the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, and the British Empire.
Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the American Empire?
> 1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too close to "Fatherland"
Security.
> 2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we going to fence
off Canada, too?
> 3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to work for
less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the Italians, Irish,
Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis Island and did the same,
then died in WWII fighting to protect the right to the "American Dream." (Not
to mention those brought against their will on slave ships).
> This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the Constitution,
written to protect oppressed people throughout the world rather than the
"Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms of Republican or Democrat,
think in terms of right or wrong.
> Thank you.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Thqat is are really cool 801 interior! nice job!
I love it!
Juan Vega
601 xl
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: LRM <lrm@skyhawg.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 10:00 AM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: 701 headset jacks location?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "LRM" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
>
>Normally most put them on the panel right and left sides. However, I
>preferred to have mine in the middle behind me. A little more trouble, but
>the wires are certainly out of the way. I built a little box that sits
>between the seats on top of the luggage compartment. There I have both sets
>of jacks, a cigarette lighter, and cabin lights. You can see a picture of
>it in the last picture on this page. http://www.skyhawg.com/piano.html.
>
>Larry, N1345L, www.skyhawg.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
>To: <zenith-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:55 AM
>Subject: Zenith-List: 701 headset jacks location?
>
>
>> --> Zenith-List message posted by: "RayStL" <ray.stlaurent@vsea.com>
>>
>> Is there a generally accepted place to put pilot/passenger headset jacks
>> on the 701?
>>
>> --------
>> Ray St-Laurent
>> 701/Pegastol wings/Suzuki engine
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70685#70685
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 10/27/2006
>>
>>
>
>
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Bill,
Your remarks about the subject of keeping religious/political views
off of this net is the most intelligent thing I have heard anyone say
and I agree with you 100%
Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
ZodiacXL
----- Original Message -----
From: William Condon
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fence
I have learned in life that there are two things that just about every
last person in the world has passionate views about - religion and
politics. And, for every person we find who agrees with our
political/religious view, there is certainly another person who will
disagree with that view. The beauty of this list is that we can rest
with the knowledge that there is a place where absolutely every last
member shares the same view - the view that safely building, flying, and
maintaining experimental aircraft is of paramount importance for all who
engage in this endeavor.
It would be sad, indeed, if we allowed ourselves to divide up along
political / religious / national / etc lines. I learn for all of your
posts - when I build my aircraft, I want all of you on my team. But, if
we allow this list to be a political forum, there is certain to be many
of you that will be someplace else when I am ready to ask my questions.
Bill C.
0% (due to military orders that have me outside of country)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert
stone
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 PM
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
I thought this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about
building Zenith airplanes, not a political forum. If you people want to
engage in this kind of dialog, do it off net.
----- Original Message -----
From: JOHN STARN
To: zenith-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and
defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout
the world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE
THE PEOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in
influx of ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL
ALIENS.
KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Naumuk
To: zenith list
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM
Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
All-
Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't
think this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
Bill Naumuk
HDS Fuselage
Townville, Pa
Jeanne-
There is no link on your website for editorial contributions,
but I figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
Bill Naumuk
Townville, Pa
Please consider the following:
I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the
incumbent administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall
of China, with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the
Mongols- what chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting
such a fence is a blatant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the
face to our people who are dying to protect basic ideals that are being
circumvented for political reasons. If this decision isn't reversed
immediately, you and I are no better than the Nazis on trial at
Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed this
atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was
responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the
American Empire?
1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too
close to "Fatherland" Security.
2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are
we going to fence off Canada, too?
3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing
to work for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the
Italians, Irish, Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis
Island and did the same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right
to the "American Dream." (Not to mention those brought against their
will on slave ships).
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend
the Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the
world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in
terms of Republican or Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
Thank you.
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
here here!, back to plane building!
Juan Vega
-----Original Message-----
>From: robert stone <rstone4@hot.rr.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 7:09 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>Bill,
> Your remarks about the subject of keeping religious/political views off of
this net is the most intelligent thing I have heard anyone say and I agree with
you 100%
>
>Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx
>ZodiacXL
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Condon
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>
> I have learned in life that there are two things that just about every last
person in the world has passionate views about - religion and politics. And,
for every person we find who agrees with our political/religious view, there is
certainly another person who will disagree with that view. The beauty of this
list is that we can rest with the knowledge that there is a place where absolutely
every last member shares the same view - the view that safely building,
flying, and maintaining experimental aircraft is of paramount importance for
all who engage in this endeavor.
>
>
>
> It would be sad, indeed, if we allowed ourselves to divide up along political
/ religious / national / etc lines. I learn for all of your posts - when I
build my aircraft, I want all of you on my team. But, if we allow this list to
be a political forum, there is certain to be many of you that will be someplace
else when I am ready to ask my questions.
>
>
>
> Bill C.
>
> 0% (due to military orders that have me outside of country)
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert stone
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 PM
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>
>
> I thought this was a Zenith-net that was supposed to be about building
Zenith airplanes, not a political forum. If you people want to engage in this
kind of dialog, do it off net.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: JOHN STARN
>
> To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:28 AM
>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>
>
> WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world rather
than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
>
> The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE PEOPLE"
NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in influx of ILLEGAL
ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
>
> Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL ALIENS.
>
> KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Bill Naumuk
>
> To: zenith list
>
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM
>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Fence
>
>
>
> All-
>
> Attached is a letter to the our local paper's editor. I don't think
this is an off-list topic, due to our list membership.
>
> I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!
>
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeanne-
>
> There is no link on your website for editorial contributions, but I
figured you could correctly direct this submission. Thanks.
>
> Bill Naumuk
> Townville, Pa
>
> Please consider the following:
>
> I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions of the incumbent administration
mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.
>
> The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of China,
with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the Mongols- what
chance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting such a fence is a blatant
waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face to our people who are dying
to protect basic ideals that are being circumvented for political reasons.
If this decision isn't reversed immediately, you and I are no better than the
Nazis on trial at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both parties allowed
this atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our "Representatives"
represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of the country.
>
> Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government was responsible
for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire, and the British
Empire. Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the American Empire?
>
> 1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag. Too close
to "Fatherland" Security.
>
> 2. The 911 bombers came into the country through Canada. Are we going
to fence off Canada, too?
>
> 3. We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to work
for less than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the Italians, Irish,
Polish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis Island and did the
same, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right to the "American Dream."
(Not to mention those brought against their will on slave ships).
>
> This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the Constitution,
written to protect oppressed people throughout the world rather than
the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington. Don't think in terms of Republican or
Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.
>
> Thank you.
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matron
>
>
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I saw Don Copeland at the airport today. He was sitting there staring at
remains of his plane, trying to figure out what he could have done
different
to make the outcome be better. Good thing is that everyone walked away.
His
injuries were only minor. He seems more depressed than anything. I think
he'll be ok as he says he wants another one. He seemed to be amazed at
how
well the plane took the beating and not the occupants.
All of the damage is on the left side where he had hit some posts in the
ground. The 3 blade prop only had one blade left. The left main gear
broke
at the weld. The bungee on both mains appeared to have broken. The left
wing
was damaged near the tip. The horizontal stab tip was gone, and it
appears
that stabilizer mounts were broken too. We pulled the engine through
and
there is a definite loss of compression on one of the cylinders. The
seatbelt attachments were still intact.
Don said the FAA was coming to pick up his plane next week. It appears
they
are going to seize the plane. While I would be wiling to participate in
an
accident investigation, I'd be hot over them taking the plane away. I
guess
it really doesn't matter since the insurance totaled it. I know
insurance
will take it if it has been totaled. That's generally the agreement for
them
paying you for the value of the plane, but I didn't know the FAA could
just
seize it.
This plane is registered as an HD, but was the first prototype for the
HDS.
Don had just bought it a couple of months ago.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
n282rs at earthlink.net
>>Built by David Taylor, registered to
>>Donald E Copeland on 9-27-2006.
>>Any information besides this?
>>IDENTIFICATION
>>Regis#: 143DT Make/Model: EXP Description: ZODIAC 601HD EXP
>>Date: 10/21/2006 Time: 2130
>>Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
>>Damage: Destroyed
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Of course my 601XL requires two crew members - I have dual sticks! :-)
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
> >But are you allowed to have crew?
> >
Carlos-
I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are
part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
George May
601XL 912s
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I agree with Bill C.---- I am having all I can do to keep quiet on the "Fen
ce" issue but will continue not to give my opinion of how I feel about the
subject, but; I feel the original post was out of line for this forum-----
---- let's use this site for "airplane talk".=0AFritz 90/90 Corvair=0A
=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: William Condon <schnooze@hotmail.
com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 5:2
0:09 PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenith-List: Fence=0A=0A=0AI have learned in life th
at there are two things that just about every last person in the world has
passionate views about ' religion and politics. And, for every person we
find who agrees with our political/religious view, there is certainly anot
her person who will disagree with that view. The beauty of this list is th
at we can rest with the knowledge that there is a place where absolutely ev
ery last member shares the same view ' the view that safely building, fly
ing, and maintaining experimental aircraft is of paramount importance for a
ll who engage in this endeavor.=0A =0AIt would be sad, indeed, if we allowe
d ourselves to divide up along political / religious / national / etc lines
. I learn for all of your posts ' when I build my aircraft, I want all o
f you on my team. But, if we allow this list to be a political forum, ther
e is certain to be many of you that will be someplace else when I am ready
to ask my questions.=0A =0ABill C.=0A0% (due to military orders that have m
e outside of country)=0A =0A=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-zenith-list-server@matroni
cs.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert
stone=0ASent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 9:49 PM=0ATo: zenith-list@matronic
s.com=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Fence=0A =0A I thought this was a Zen
ith-net that was supposed to be about building Zenith airplanes, not a poli
tical forum. If you people want to engage in this kind of dialog, do it of
f net.=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: JOHN STARN =0ATo: zenith-lis
t@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 11:28 AM=0ASubject: Re:
Zenith-List: Fence=0A =0AWRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have
to step up and defend the Constitution, written to protect oppressed peopl
e throughout the world rather than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington .
"=0AThe Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE P
EOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in influx o
f ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.=0AThose who
came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL ALIENS.=0A KABON
G Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)=0A----- Original Message ----- =0AFrom: Bill
Naumuk =0ATo: zenith list =0ASent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 8:36 AM=0ASu
bject: Zenith-List: Fence=0A =0AAll-=0A Attached is a letter to the our
local paper's editor. I don't think this is an off-list topic, due to our l
ist membership. =0A I'm not ashamed, I'm infuriated!=0ABill Naumuk=0AHDS
Fuselage=0ATownville , Pa=0A =0A =0AJeanne-=0A There is no link on your
website for editorial contributions, but I figured you could correctly dir
ect this submission. Thanks.=0ABill Naumuk=0ATownville , Pa=0A Please co
nsider the following:=0A I'm normally apolitical, but the recent actions
of the incumbent administration mandate my humble, dissenting opinion.=0A
The fence between Mexico and the US is a farce. The Great Wall of China,
with it's watchtowers manned by archers failed to stop the Mongols- what c
hance does 760 miles of chain link fence have? Erecting such a fence is a b
latant waste of taxpayer dollars, and a slap in the face to our people who
are dying to protect basic ideals that are being circumvented for political
reasons. If this decision isn't reversed immediately, you and I are no bet
ter than the Nazis on trial at Nuremburg. The disgusting thing is, both
parties allowed this atrocity of a law to pass! This only proves that our
"Representatives" represent only themselves, and to Hell with the rest of t
he country.=0A Bureaucracy has taken over. Self-sustaining government wa
s responsible for the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, the Greek Empire,
and the British Empire . Are we witnessing the rise and fall of the America
n Empire? =0A 1. The label Department of Homeland Security makes me gag.
Too close to "Fatherland" Security.=0A 2. The 911 bombers came into the
country through Canada . Are we going to fence off Canada , too?=0A 3.
We're trying to keep out hardworking people who are willing to work for les
s than US citizens. Most of us are the decendents of the Italians, Irish, P
olish, and Russians who were welcomed in through Ellis Island and did the s
ame, then died in WWII fighting to protect the right to the "American Dream
." (Not to mention those brought against their will on slave ships).=0A
This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the Constituti
on, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world rather than th
e "Misrepresentatives" in Washington . Don't think in terms of Republican o
r Democrat, think in terms of right or wrong.=0A Thank you. =0A =0A
=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http://www.matro
n=0A =0A =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith-List">http:
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
OK, let's discuss something non-controversial - like Y-stick vs. dual sticks
:-)
-- Craig
do not archive
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| Subject: | Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Dudes and dudettes,
If your wife helps build the plane or, partner to be PC, if you can show the DAR
proof with pictures, you can fly with that other person since they are also
deamed the manufacturer. Good flying joke below sent yesterday from 95 year
old Grandfather with 10,000 hours under his belt.
see below
DO NOT ARCHIVE
A tourist walked into a pet store and was looking at the animals
on display. While he was there, a Chief Master Sergeant (CMSGT)
from the local airfield walked in and said to the shopkeeper,
"I'll take a maintenance monkey, please."
The man nodded, went to a cage at the side of the store and took out a
monkey. He put a collar and leash on the animal and handed it the CMSGT,
saying, "That'll be $5,000."
The CMSGT paid and left with the monkey. Surprised, the tourist went to
the shopkeeper and said, "That was a very expensive monkey. Most of them
are only a few hundred dollars. Why did that one cost so much?"
The shopkeeper answered, "Ah, that was a maintenance monkey. He can rig
aircraft flight controls, score 95 on the AF CDC test, perform the
duties of any MX officer with no back talk or complaints. It's well
worth the money."
The tourist spotted a monkey in another cage. "That one's even more
expensive-- $10,000! What does it do?"
"Oh, that one is a 'Maintenance Supervisor' monkey! It can instruct at
all levels of maintenance, supervise maintenance at the unit,
intermediate and Depot level, and even do most of the paperwork. A very
useful monkey indeed," replied the shopkeeper.
The tourist looked around a little longer and found a third monkey in a
cage. The price tag read, "$100,000." The shocked tourist exclaimed,
"That one costs more than all the others put together! What in the world
could it do?"
"Well, I've never actually seen him do anything but drink beer and play
with his dick, but his papers say he's a pilot!"
Juan
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 7:42 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>Of course my 601XL requires two crew members - I have dual sticks! :-)
>
>-- Craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:54 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>
>> >But are you allowed to have crew?
>> >
>
>Carlos-
> I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are
>part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
>
>George May
>601XL 912s
>
>_________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
I asked my local FSDO this exact same question before I flew the 'Beast"
. Their response was, "if a second persen is needed to safely perform th
e first flight then a crew is approved". They had followed my building p
rocess and was aware of N801BH's unique powerplant. My final decision wa
s to fly it myself in case it broke in half, that way I would be the onl
y fatality. Your local FAA office probably will have a different decisio
n.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "george may" <gfmjr_20@HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> >But are you allowed to have crew?
> >
Carlos-
I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they
are
part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
George May
601XL 912s
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| Subject: | Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
since I fly with my wife, she is a right hand seat driver, hence why God created
cars with a wheel on one side, not a wheel in the middle! I put in stick(s)
but don't tell her, I do like the y stick.
do not archive
Juan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 7:42 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>Of course my 601XL requires two crew members - I have dual sticks! :-)
>
>-- Craig
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of george may
>Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:54 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Test Flight - crew?
>
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "george may" <gfmjr_20@hotmail.com>
>
>
>> >But are you allowed to have crew?
>> >
>
>Carlos-
> I believe the rules specify that other crew can be on board if "they are
>part of a required crew". I do not think that covers the 601 or 701
>
>George May
>601XL 912s
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Add a Yahoo! contact to Windows Live Messenger for a chance to win a free
>trip!
>http://www.imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/yahoo/default.aspx?locale=en-us
>&hmtagline
>
>
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| Subject: | More Spam, Randy |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Randy,
Your post concerning the HD/Don Copeland landed in my Earthlink "Known Spam" box.
I've not changed any of my settings. Possibly the problem is those fine folks
at Earthlink who constantly tweak their stuff.....geeks just can't stand to let
a good thing continue. If this continues I may drop my service with them.
I've had the two-way sat thing four or five years and it gets slower and slooooower
and s l o o ....
Just thought you'd like to know what happened to this one you sent via Earthlunk.
Sure glad we got the fence issue settled. Did we use green or yellow primer?
Regards,
Zed
And please do not archive under penalty of water-boarding.
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| Subject: | Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick |
Yeah, nothing has the fine feel of that stick between your knees as the speed
picks up and you touch the rudder to keep her centered. Then when the LRI
says green a little back pressure and BANG your climbing and still gaining speed.
You push the stick forward a little to look over the nose just to make sure
some dammed fool isn't landing with the wind and now the speed is climbing past
130. Just as the end of the strip flashes past you see the altitude is
climbing thru 800 ft so you bank left to enter the pattern. Yes sir, the feel and
control of the duel stick makes every last and every next control input a
sensual pleasure. Flying with a Y stick in the center is like holding hands
with your sister.
Best regards, from Bill of Georgia
601XL-3300
N505WP
93 Great Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Pet Store Tale |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Zed Smith <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Juan!!!!!
You win!!!!!
Regards,
Zed
please do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
There aren't that many things you will need to be watching when you do your first
flight. Did you have cameras in the cockpit when you first soloed?
I think you time and money would better be spent either going somewhere and flying
a plane like yours or if you just must have gadgets setting up warning lights
for out of nominal instruments.
That said I think the idea of a video camera set up to shoot the panel and and
your control inputs isn't such a bad idea. But, there's no reason to be sending
this data to someone on the ground.
The time spent with them figuring out what they are seeing and discussing it with
you would probably end up with a smoking hole.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70790#70790
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| Subject: | Re: Y stick vs. Duel stick |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Juan Vega <amyvega2005@earthlink.net>
Dude,
So true. Let me take a cold shower after that description.
Juan
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
>From: JAPhillipsGA@aol.com
>Sent: Oct 28, 2006 8:16 PM
>To: zenith-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Y stick vs. Duel stick
>
>Yeah, nothing has the fine feel of that stick between your knees as the speed
>picks up and you touch the rudder to keep her centered. Then when the LRI
>says green a little back pressure and BANG your climbing and still gaining speed.
>You push the stick forward a little to look over the nose just to make sure
>some dammed fool isn't landing with the wind and now the speed is climbing past
>130. Just as the end of the strip flashes past you see the altitude is
>climbing thru 800 ft so you bank left to enter the pattern. Yes sir, the feel
and
>control of the duel stick makes every last and every next control input a
>sensual pleasure. Flying with a Y stick in the center is like holding hands
>with your sister.
>Best regards, from Bill of Georgia
>601XL-3300
>N505WP
>93 Great Hours
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - crew? |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
If you document that the aircraft requires a crew of two you will never be able
to fly it alone. Call the EAA or the FSDO.
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70791#70791
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I'm surprised the FAA wants the plane considering there were no fatalities. Has
the DAR that singed the plane off had any other planes crash within the last
couple of years?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Heck, with a wireless camera, an RC transmitter and the right servos why
send a pilot up at all? (just like that recent video of the RC plane with
the camera in it) But I guess it is illegal to test fly an 800 pound RC
airplane.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Fence retraction |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Bill,
Please don't take the remarks so hard. We need you and your airplane in
this forum. We like the things you bring
to the table. It makes life interesting and worth while. This is a
help center for aircraft and the people that build them.
I can't begin to satisfy all the views on other subjects in the
Zenith-List because we have enough trouble with the problems
of building. I apologize for sounding so terse, but this forum is the
only place my mind finds the solace between friends and
projects. Do stay with the group and finish the plane with us.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
Bill Naumuk wrote:
> All-
> My apologies for considering the international members of this
> list, and forgetting to add "Do not archive" to my posting.
> Over and out- permanently.
> do not archive
> Bill Naumuk
> HDS Fuselage
> Townville, Pa
>
>*
>
>*
>
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Randy Stout" <n282rs@earthlink.net>
I don't know. He had bought the plane from someone else a couple of months
ago. I assume he bought it from David Taylor who is the orginal builder.
Randy Stout
San Antonio TX
www.geocities.com/r5t0ut21
n282rs at earthlink.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gig Giacona
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:37 PM
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: 601HD accident
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Gig Giacona" <wr.giacona@cox.net>
I'm surprised the FAA wants the plane considering there were no fatalities.
Has the DAR that singed the plane off had any other planes crash within the
last couple of years?
--------
W.R. "Gig" Giacona
601XL Under Construction
See my progress at www.peoamerica.net/N601WR
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=70793#70793
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| Subject: | Re: 601HD accident |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Randy, when do you hope to be back in the air? Or is that a sore subject?
-- Craig
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| Subject: | 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Hi All,
The only time I posted a message on this list was to sell my 701 rudder kit...well
I'm glad to say... it didn't sell, because I'm back to building! I want
to say this list is the best resource ever. Everyone is really supportive and
full of so much knowledge.
My 701 plans are in route and I'm trying to determine if I want to scratch build
or go the sub-kit route. So before I start researching and get analysis paralysis,
does anyone out there building a 701 from scratch have a good idea what
the airframe materials costed in total? I've visited Jon Crokes 701 site,
excellent site by the way and found a list of materials, layout patterns and so
forth but nothing on approximate cost savings when compared to purchasing the
sub-kits.
Also I see that Zen is now CNC machining some of there parts, has anyone had
an assembly issues with the pre-drilled holes in any of there parts? The first
thing I noticed when working on the rudder is the edge distances are hard to
maintain. In school I was taught 2-4D and been able to comply, thus far, but
I'm concerned that this may rule may become extinct once I purchase pre-drilled
parts.
Thanks for your time.
Art
701/Rudder in-work/Plans/KS
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I Agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In a message dated 10/28/2006 12:29:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jhstarn@verizon.net writes:
WRONG....."This time, you and I as Americans have to step up and defend the
Constitution, written to protect oppressed people throughout the world rather
than the "Misrepresentatives" in Washington."
The Constitution was written & US military paid the price for "WE THE
PEOPLE" NOT "we the world". Sorry but the fence WILL slow down in influx of
ILLEGAL ALIENS and it's meant to protect US, not keep us in.
Those who came in via Ellis Island were legal immigrants not ILLEGAL ALIENS.
KABONG Do Not Archive. (GBA & GWB)
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| Subject: | Re: Test Flight - an opportunity to play with gadgets! |
--> Zenith-List message posted by: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz@worldnet.att.net>
Actually, I don't think there is any limit to the weight of a legal
R/C airplane. On the other hand, you will need to keep it in sight
to maintain control, and (frankly) I have always found it a lot
easier to fly from the cockpit than from the ground with a transmitter.
On the subject of instructors in the plane during phase I testing, I
am sure this is a no no. I have heard of examples where the
inspector/DAR has approved a two man crew for testing but this would
need to be approved on a case by case basis. The only times I have
heard of this it was a husband and wife team.
Paul
XL fuselage
do not archive
At 05:38 PM 10/28/2006, you wrote:
>--> Zenith-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
>Heck, with a wireless camera, an RC transmitter and the right servos why
>send a pilot up at all? (just like that recent video of the RC plane with
>the camera in it) But I guess it is illegal to test fly an 800 pound RC
>airplane.
>
>-- Craig
>
>
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Paul Mulwitz
32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Hi Art,
I am building a 601 from subkits, but I feel it is likely the same
issues appear on the 701.
First let me say I feel the decision to build from plans or kit is a
big one and I think it would be wise to make this decision on your
own feelings about the tasks to be done rather than on the price
difference. While it seems like you can save some money by building
from scratch, you pick up so many additional tasks compared to
building from kit that you must count your own time and effort as
worthless to say you really save any cost. Some people really love
scratch building and to them I say: "Have a ball". For others, the
goal of getting airborne in a reasonable amount of time may be worth
allowing ZAC to track down the materials, do the more difficult tasks
including bending long pieces of aluminum, solid rivet setting, and
welding steel parts.
On the subject of pre-drilled parts, I have a rather negative pile of
experience. The pre-drilled parts I have received have not lived up
to the same standards of excellence I would expect if I had done the
drilling myself. This may improve with the new equipment, but there
are still big problems to overcome. For example, on a wing where the
ribs and rear channel are not pre-drilled but the skins are drilled
you face the issue of matching your position for the ribs to the
position assumed when the skins were drilled. They will certainly
not match, and you will have to find a way to average out all the
position errors to stay within the edge distance requirements. It
can be done, but I found it easier to order the skins for my third
wing (after having to scrap the first one) without the holes drilled
so I could put them in exactly the right places myself.
I really have a problem with the hole drilling ZAC does, mainly
because the holes don't show up on the plans. I would much prefer
they followed the industry standard of the drawings being the
"Gospel" rather than adding value by drilling holes where they think
they might be useful instead of shipping parts that match the drawings.
In any event, I wish you luck with your project.
Paul
XL fuselage
At 08:48 PM 10/28/2006, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>The only time I posted a message on this list was to sell my 701
>rudder kit...well I'm glad to say... it didn't sell, because I'm
>back to building! I want to say this list is the best resource
>ever. Everyone is really supportive and full of so much knowledge.
>
>My 701 plans are in route and I'm trying to determine if I want to
>scratch build or go the sub-kit route. So before I start
>researching and get analysis paralysis, does anyone out there
>building a 701 from scratch have a good idea what the airframe
>materials costed in total? I've visited Jon Crokes 701 site,
>excellent site by the way and found a list of materials, layout
>patterns and so forth but nothing on approximate cost savings when
>compared to purchasing the sub-kits.
>
>Also I see that Zen is now CNC machining some of there parts, has
>anyone had an assembly issues with the pre-drilled holes in any of
>there parts? The first thing I noticed when working on the rudder is
>the edge distances are hard to maintain. In school I was taught
>2-4D and been able to comply, thus far, but I'm concerned that this
>may rule may become extinct once I purchase pre-drilled parts.
>
>
>Thanks for your time.
>Art
>701/Rudder in-work/Plans/KS
>
>
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32013 NE Dial Road
Camas, WA 98607
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Scratch vs Sub-Kits? |
Art,
I did the math a long time ago and determined that I could save about
$7-8K by scratch building (701), I cheat however as this is my 4th
homebuilt and have a hanger full of all the tools needed plus shear,
brake, Tig, etc etc. It took me about a month(part time)to build the
"kit" (including forms). Pretty good wages!!
I get pretty amused at all the posts from builders having dimension
problems with parts that came in the kit. That is NOT an issue if
scratch building. Scratch building DOES have it's own set of snags , the
701 is pretty straight forward however, a LOT easier than my first
project ,an RV3 built in the dark ages. 26 pages of drawings, 13 pages
of instructions and no internet. Al hadn't invented it yet. 'Course if
you got stuck and had to call, Van answered the phone and knew you and
his brother Jerry would stop in and help build if he had a layover close
by. Doubt if Dick answers the phone anymore. LOW&SLOW John
My 701 plans are in route and I'm trying to determine if I want to
scratch build or go the sub-kit route. So before I start researching
and get analysis paralysis, does anyone out there building a 701 from
scratch have a good idea what the airframe materials costed in total?
I've visited Jon Crokes 701 site, excellent site by the way and found a
list of materials, layout patterns and so forth but nothing on
approximate cost savings when compared to purchasing the sub-kits.
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: "TxDave" <dclaytx2@hotmail.com>
What color Scotch-Brite do I use to clean the metal posts on my fence? Also, I
was thinking of installing a new engine on my riding lawnmower. The grass near
my fence needs mowing badly, but I can't decide if I shoul go with a Rotax 912
or a Corvair conversion.
Please, don't shoot! Just a lame attempt at humor from an overworked and underpaid
old man.
I love this forum.
do not archive
Dave Clay
Temple, TX
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--> Zenith-List message posted by: Rosalie DeMeo <rosestar@sonic.net>
Thanks for the responses regarding the upcoming first test flight in my
601xl. I should mention that I have 5.5 hours in 4 different Zodiac
XL's. The last 2.9 hours were in Dragonfly's 601xl for my bienniel
flight review. The others were demo flights. So I do have some time in
the design and feel comfortable in the plane, subject to more time and
experience. In fact, I love the plane! The first demo flight resulted
in the decision to buy a 601xl kit. I like the idea of flying with a
recorder for verbal observations. These suggestions have been great
advice. Please continue with your thoughts. They are greatly
appreciateed.
Brad
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