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1. 07:09 AM - Viking - no cancellatio possible (Peter Thomson)
2. 08:03 AM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (Viking)
3. 08:16 AM - Re: Viking (dj45)
4. 01:37 PM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (n801bh@netzero.com)
5. 03:00 PM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
6. 03:10 PM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (dj45)
7. 03:59 PM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (Sabrina)
8. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (n801bh@netzero.com)
9. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (purplemoon99@bellsouth.net)
10. 06:21 PM - Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (Viking)
11. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible (Paul Mulwitz)
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| Subject: | Viking - no cancellatio possible |
When I politely asked to cancel an order for an engine 5 mths late and
7mths paid for, following no replies to emails, I got this one-liner
"No such thing. We can NOT refund money on custom orders."
So know we know, no refunds.
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> 1. 12:02 AM - Re: Re: Viking (Steve Freeman)
> 2. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: Viking (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Viking (n801bh@netzero.com)
> 4. 02:47 PM - Can't find a measurement in the plans (Steve Freeman)
> 5. 02:55 PM - Found it - never mind : Can't find a measurement in the
plans (Steve Freeman)
> 6. 06:44 PM - Bose A20 Headset - NR Power Button - Panel Power (Matt
Dralle)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:02:40 AM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Really?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stevenco
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new
> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining must
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half the
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a
> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes
> against the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly
work
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experiment
> when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine that's never
> truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really changed? The
> facts are that some of the engines are late because of design updates and
> ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known function of the
> experimental market. Some people will be upset with delay but most won't.
> We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if we want well tested
> engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holding
up
> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on the
> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working well.
> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few bucks on
> his dedication to the experimental community.
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instead
of
> backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, average
> minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 12:31:12 AM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
> For a minute there I thought I was on a William Wynne post. Not knocking
> Jon as he has done some impressive stuff but why is it ok to take a mans
> money and not deliver the product for months and sometimes even years? I
know
>
> it takes money for R & D but with that doesn't include not answering the
> phone or hanging up on people because you can't deliver, most times a
honest
>
> conversation is all that is required for a smooth business transaction to
> be completed and when hang ups become the norm the buyer has every right
to
> bitch and post about it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> In a message dated 7/9/2011 3:03:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:
>
> <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>
> Really?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stevenco
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new
> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining must
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half the
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a
> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes
> against the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly
work
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experiment
> when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine that's never
> truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really changed? The
> facts are that some of the engines are late because of design updates and
> ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known function of the
> experimental market. Some people will be upset with delay but most won't.
> We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if we want well tested
> engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holding
up
> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on the
> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working well.
> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few bucks on
> his dedication to the experimental community.
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instead
> of
> backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas,
> average
> minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:00:39 AM PST US
> From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
> Hmmm.
> Here is my concept of business 101 when dealing with experimental stuff.
> ... I create an idea, spend MY money on development and test it beyond n
> ormal methods to assure myself and the future buyer it is sound and viab
> le. Only then will I ACCEPT a small deposit for me to furnish the custo
> mer a working firewall forward powerplant. I will ask for the remaining
> balance when that engine is finished and ready to ship. The original pos
> ter claimed he paid a deposit, and then paid the remaining balance, wait
> ed weeks, and got hung up on when questioning Eggenfellner on a delivery
> date....... How many times have we seen people pony up good money onl
> y to see it all lost by someone using future capital to fund their day t
> o day expenses is a "less then prudent" way ? IMHO
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Stevenco" <dstevenco@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new e
> ngine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining must
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half the
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a bu
> siness dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes aga
> inst the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly work
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experi
> ment when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine that'
> s never truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really change
> d? The facts are that some of the engines are late because of design up
> dates and ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known fu
> nction of the experimental market. Some people will be upset with dela
> y but most won't. We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if w
> e want well tested engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holding
> up under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on t
> he water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working w
> ell. Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few
> bucks on his dedication to the experimental community.
>
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instea
> d of backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
>
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, aver
> age minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
>
>
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> Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors!
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> ________________________________ Message 4
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>
>
> Time: 02:47:54 PM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Can't find a measurement in the plans
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
> I can't find a measurement in my plans and I am wondering if this is one
of
> those "fit to your plane" areas.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me (roughly or specifically) what the amount of space
should
> be between the rear of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-2,
> bottom bracket? This placement seems critical to me for proper geometry on
> the canopy arms but I cannot find it in the plans.
>
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5
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>
>
> Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Found it - never mind : Can't find a measurement in
the plans
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>
> I found this on my homebuilt help videos.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> steve
>
>
> From: Steve Freeman [mailto:steve.freeman@syntaxds.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:41 PM
> Subject: Can't find a measurement in the plans
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
> I can't find a measurement in my plans and I am wondering if this is one
of
> those "fit to your plane" areas.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me (roughly or specifically) what the amount of space
should
> be between the rear of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-2,
> bottom bracket? This placement seems critical to me for proper geometry on
> the canopy arms but I cannot find it in the plans.
>
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:44:48 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Bose A20 Headset - NR Power Button - Panel Power
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I bought a couple pairs of the new Bose A20's for the RV-8 and they are
very nice.
> NR is better than the Bose X's and they seem to fit my head a little
better
> too.
>
> But I quickly discovered that with the A20's you now have to hit the NR
Power button
> *every time* you start the aircraft even if you have them panel powered.
> The older Bose X headsets have a slide switch for the NR power and so you
can
> just put the slide switch in the On position and not worry about it.
>
> I really didn't like having to turn the NR on all the time and having to
remind
> my passengers about it, so I came up with a modification that will
automatically
> turn the NR on when panel power is applied. Its pretty simple, but
requires
> some special tools. Its completely self-contained inside the Control
Module
> and works great. The modification is generally only for installations that
> are panel-powered, but you could do the modification to a unit that is
normally
> battery powered with no adverse effect. With the modification, the NR
Power
> button will work normally in battery power installations.
>
> I created web page on the procedure including step-by-step photos and
instructions.
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/BoseA20AutoOnModification/
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV "Ruby Vixen"
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's Complete RV-8 Construction Log
> http://www.mattsrv8.com/Mishap - Landing Mishap Rebuild Log
> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel
> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After Landing Mishap...
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
Stanton's engine is scheduled to go out this week. The engine is for a CH-701 and
not a KitFox. At least the invoice indicate this. If you look at the Vikingaircraftengine
web site / Zenith, you will find pictures of our own 701 installation.
It is an attempt to help everyone installing the engine in the 701 and
similar aircraft. This was done the last week. Nobody is sitting around doing
nothing here. We work hard. This first batch of engines have taken much longer
than expected, between design, prototyping, flight testing, documentation, sales
and installations, we have had our hands full. However, this is easing up
now when production has been streamlined, no more changes are being made and
we are focusing on assembly, sales, service and continued flying. All I can say
is that we have an outstanding product and that it takes huge effort to deliver
it at the cost we do. I am also sorry about the delays and that we will work
on reducing / eliminating them.
Jan
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I had talked at length with Jan at Sun&Fun about the timing of a delivery. I knew
full well when I placed the order that he would not be able to deliver on the
schedule he wanted.
All I wanted was a REALISTIC time frame. My plane was flying just fine at the time.
When Jan said that he was going to ship on a certain time frame, I removed
my old engine and started on the preparations for the engine exchange.
So now my plane sits there without an engine and all I have are empty promises.
Having built two planes already, I know something about unplanned delays etc. (
one a kit, one from plans)
He even put it on his own web site that the engines would ship the first week of
June.
And yes I do have documentation for all of this.
If you want the engine like I do, just be prepared to wait a lot longer than promised.
I probably should have waited till the next day to blast him, but when you hang
up and won't take anymore calls, I get pissed. Especially when there is that
much money on the line.
--------
Do not archive
Dan Stanton
N801S CH 801
N226BS CH701
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
I don't get it... Your order was for a popular plane. Care to explain wh
y it was a "custom" order.? Jan pretty stated the delay was for getting
the motor ready for production for several experimental planes.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
---------- Original Message ----------
From: Peter Thomson <peterlthomson@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Viking - no cancellatio possible
When I politely asked to cancel an order for an engine 5 mths late and
7mths paid for, following no replies to emails, I got this one-liner
"No such thing. We can NOT refund money on custom orders."
So know we know, no refunds.
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> 1. 12:02 AM - Re: Re: Viking (Steve Freeman)
> 2. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: Viking (Afterfxllc@aol.com)
> 3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Viking (n801bh@netzero.com)
> 4. 02:47 PM - Can't find a measurement in the plans (Steve Freeman)
> 5. 02:55 PM - Found it - never mind : Can't find a measurement in the
plans (Steve Freeman)
> 6. 06:44 PM - Bose A20 Headset - NR Power Button - Panel Power (Matt D
ralle)
>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1 ___________________________
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>
>
> Time: 12:02:40 AM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Really?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stevenco
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new
> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining mu
st
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half th
e
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a
> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes
> against the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly
work
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experi
ment
> when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine that's n
ever
> truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really changed? The
> facts are that some of the engines are late because of design updates
and
> ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known function of
the
> experimental market. Some people will be upset with delay but most won
't.
> We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if we want well teste
d
> engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holdi
ng up
> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on the
> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working wel
l.
> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few bucks
on
> his dedication to the experimental community.
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back inste
ad of
> backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, ave
rage
> minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2 ___________________________
__________
>
>
> Time: 12:31:12 AM PST US
> From: Afterfxllc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
> For a minute there I thought I was on a William Wynne post. Not knocki
ng
> Jon as he has done some impressive stuff but why is it ok to take a ma
ns
> money and not deliver the product for months and sometimes even years?
I know
>
> it takes money for R & D but with that doesn't include not answering t
he
> phone or hanging up on people because you can't deliver, most times a
honest
>
> conversation is all that is required for a smooth business transaction
to
> be completed and when hang ups become the norm the buyer has every rig
ht to
> bitch and post about it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> In a message dated 7/9/2011 3:03:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> steve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:
>
> <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
>
> Really?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stevenco
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new
> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining mu
st
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half th
e
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a
> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes
> against the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly
work
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experi
ment
> when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine that's n
ever
> truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really changed? The
> facts are that some of the engines are late because of design updates
and
> ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known function of
the
> experimental market. Some people will be upset with delay but most won
't.
> We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if we want well teste
d
> engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holdi
ng up
> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on the
> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working wel
l.
> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few bucks
on
> his dedication to the experimental community.
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back inste
ad
> of
> backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas,
> average
> minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3 ___________________________
__________
>
>
> Time: 07:00:39 AM PST US
> From: "n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>
> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
> Hmmm.
> Here is my concept of business 101 when dealing with experimental stuf
f.
> ... I create an idea, spend MY money on development and test it beyond
n
> ormal methods to assure myself and the future buyer it is sound and vi
ab
> le. Only then will I ACCEPT a small deposit for me to furnish the cust
o
> mer a working firewall forward powerplant. I will ask for the remainin
g
> balance when that engine is finished and ready to ship. The original p
os
> ter claimed he paid a deposit, and then paid the remaining balance, wa
it
> ed weeks, and got hung up on when questioning Eggenfellner on a delive
ry
> date....... How many times have we seen people pony up good money onl
> y to see it all lost by someone using future capital to fund their day
t
> o day expenses is a "less then prudent" way ? IMHO
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Stevenco" <dstevenco@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking
>
>
> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding a new
e
> ngine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complaining mus
t
> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be half th
e
> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project for a bu
> siness dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diatribes ag
a
> inst the experimental community, businesses and people who honestly wo
rk
> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to the experi
> ment when they placed the deposit and made the order for an engine tha
t'
> s never truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's really chang
e
> d? The facts are that some of the engines are late because of design u
p
> dates and ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is also well known f
u
> nction of the experimental market. Some people will be upset with dela
> y but most won't. We can always grow up and pay for the Bombardier if
w
> e want well tested engines now. Honda thought the en!
> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holdi
ng
> up under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on t
> he water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and working
w
> ell. Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a few
> bucks on his dedication to the experimental community.
>
> Patience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back inste
a
> d of backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check.
>
> A quote from ADM Rickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, ave
r
> age minds discuss events, small minds discuss people"
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
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> Time: 02:47:54 PM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Can't find a measurement in the plans
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
> I can't find a measurement in my plans and I am wondering if this is o
ne of
> those "fit to your plane" areas.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me (roughly or specifically) what the amount of space
should
> be between the rear of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-
2,
> bottom bracket? This placement seems critical to me for proper geometr
y on
> the canopy arms but I cannot find it in the plans.
>
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 5 ___________________________
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>
>
> Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US
> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Found it - never mind : Can't find a measurement
in the plans
>
> Hey Guys,
>
>
> I found this on my homebuilt help videos.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> steve
>
>
> From: Steve Freeman [mailto:steve.freeman@syntaxds.com]
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:41 PM
> Subject: Can't find a measurement in the plans
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
>
> I can't find a measurement in my plans and I am wondering if this is o
ne of
> those "fit to your plane" areas.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me (roughly or specifically) what the amount of space
should
> be between the rear of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-
2,
> bottom bracket? This placement seems critical to me for proper geometr
y on
> the canopy arms but I cannot find it in the plans.
>
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
>
> thanks,
>
>
> Steve
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6 ___________________________
__________
>
>
> Time: 06:44:48 PM PST US
> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
> Subject: Zenith-List: Bose A20 Headset - NR Power Button - Panel Power
>
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I bought a couple pairs of the new Bose A20's for the RV-8 and they ar
e very nice.
> NR is better than the Bose X's and they seem to fit my head a little b
etter
> too.
>
> But I quickly discovered that with the A20's you now have to hit the N
R Power button
> *every time* you start the aircraft even if you have them panel powere
d.
> The older Bose X headsets have a slide switch for the NR power and so
you can
> just put the slide switch in the On position and not worry about it.
>
> I really didn't like having to turn the NR on all the time and having
to remind
> my passengers about it, so I came up with a modification that will aut
omatically
> turn the NR on when panel power is applied. Its pretty simple, but req
uires
> some special tools. Its completely self-contained inside the Control M
odule
> and works great. The modification is generally only for installations
that
> are panel-powered, but you could do the modification to a unit that is
normally
> battery powered with no adverse effect. With the modification, the NR
Power
> button will work normally in battery power installations.
>
> I created web page on the procedure including step-by-step photos and
instructions.
> Feedback is welcome.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/BoseA20AutoOnModification/
>
> Matt
>
>
> -
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
There all the same,they are living day to day off of your money,wake upget
a eng =0Afrom someone that's been doing it for a few years,and has a track
record,not- a =0AF#&$#kin pipe dream. Does "HOG AIR "- ring a bell? Joe
Zenith601XL-B/ Ram=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:
"n801bh@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Sun, July 10, 2011 4:31:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith-List: Viking -
no cancellatio possible=0A=0A=0AI don't get it... Your order was for a pop
ular plane. Care to explain why it was =0Aa "custom" order.?- Jan pretty
stated the delay was for getting the motor ready =0Afor production for seve
ral experimental planes.=0A-=0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0ABen Haas=0AN801BH
=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A---------- Original Message ----------=0AFrom:
Peter Thomson <peterlthomson@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0A
Subject: Zenith-List: Viking - no cancellatio possible=0ADate: Sun, 10 Jul
2011 21:04:50 +0700=0A=0A=0AWhen I politely asked to- cancel an order for
an engine 5 mths late and 7mths =0Apaid for, following no replies to email
s, I got this one-liner=0A"No such thing. We can NOT refund money on custom
orders."=0ASo know we know, no refunds.=0AOn Jul 10, 2011 2:21 PM, "Zenith
-List Digest Server" <zenith-list@matronics.com> =0Awrote:=0A> *=0A> =0A>
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=0A> 1. 12:02 AM - Re: Re: Viking (Steve Freeman)=0A> 2. 12:31 AM - Re: Re
: Viking (Afterfxllc@aol.com)=0A> 3. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Viking (n801bh@netz
ero.com)=0A> 4. 02:47 PM - Can't find a measurement in the plans (Steve Fre
eman)=0A> 5. 02:55 PM - Found it - never mind : Can't find a measurement in
the plans =0A>(Steve Freeman)=0A> 6. 06:44 PM - Bose A20 Headset - NR Powe
r Button - Panel Power (Matt Dralle)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ___________________
_____________ Message 1 =0A>_____________________________________=0A> =0A>
=0A> Time: 12:02:40 AM PST US=0A> From: "Steve Freeman" <steve.freeman@synt
axds.com>=0A> Subject: RE: Zenith-List: Re: Viking=0A> =0A> =0A> Really?=0A
> =0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matron
ics.com=0A> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of St
evenco=0A> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: R
e: Viking=0A> =0A> =0A> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experime
nt in finding a new=0A> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The pe
rson complaining must=0A> have believed as many do that it would work wonde
rfully and be half the=0A> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a
new project for a=0A> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. P
ersonal diatribes=0A> against the experimental community, businesses and pe
ople who honestly work=0A> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer di
d agreed to the experiment=0A> when they placed the deposit and made the or
der for an engine that's never=0A> truly been tested in many aircraft befor
e. What's really changed? The=0A> facts are that some of the engines are la
te because of design updates and=0A> ones so far in aircraft run well. Dela
y is also well known function of the=0A> experimental market. Some people w
ill be upset with delay but most won't.=0A> We can always grow up and pay f
or the Bombardier if we want well tested=0A> engines now. Honda thought the
en!=0A> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while h
olding up=0A> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliabilit
y on the=0A> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and wor
king well.=0A> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a
few bucks on=0A> his dedication to the experimental community. =0A> Patien
ce Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instead of=0A> b
ackbiting. I'd bet you would get a check. =0A> A quote from ADM Rickover is
in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, average=0A> minds discuss events, sm
all minds discuss people"=0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>
=0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532=0A> =0A>
=0A> ________________________________ Message 2 =0A>_______________________
______________=0A> =0A> =0A> Time: 12:31:12 AM PST US=0A> From: Afterfxllc@
aol.com=0A> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Viking=0A> =0A> For a minute ther
e I thought I was on a William Wynne post. Not knocking =0A> Jon as he has
done some impressive stuff but why is it ok to take a mans =0A> money and n
ot deliver the product for months and sometimes even years? I know=0A> =0A>
it takes money for R & D but with that doesn't include not answering the
=0A> phone or hanging up on people because you can't deliver, most times a
honest =0A> =0A> conversation is all that is required for a smooth business
transaction to =0A> be completed and when hang ups become the norm the buy
er has every right to =0A> bitch and post about it.=0A> =0A> Jeff=0A> =0A>
=0A> In a message dated 7/9/2011 3:03:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =0A> s
teve.freeman@syntaxds.com writes:=0A> =0A> --> Zenith-List message posted b
y: "Steve Freeman" =0A> <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>=0A> =0A> Really?=0A>
=0A> -----Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-zenith-list-server@matronic
s.com=0A> [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stev
enco=0A> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 11:07 PM=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Re:
omcast.net>=0A> =0A> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment
in finding a new=0A> engine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The perso
n complaining must=0A> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfu
lly and be half the=0A> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a ne
w project for a=0A> business dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Pers
onal diatribes=0A> against the experimental community, businesses and peopl
e who honestly work=0A> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did a
greed to the experiment=0A> when they placed the deposit and made the order
for an engine that's never=0A> truly been tested in many aircraft before.
What's really changed? The=0A> facts are that some of the engines are late
because of design updates and=0A> ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay i
s also well known function of the=0A> experimental market. Some people will
be upset with delay but most won't.=0A> We can always grow up and pay for
the Bombardier if we want well tested=0A> engines now. Honda thought the en
!=0A> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while hold
ing up=0A> under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability o
n the=0A> water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and workin
g well.=0A> Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a fe
w bucks on=0A> his dedication to the experimental community. =0A> Patience
Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instead =0A> of=0A>
backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check. =0A> A quote from ADM Rickover
is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, =0A> average=0A> minds discuss eve
nts, small minds discuss people"=0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:
=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532=0A>
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___________________=0A> =0A> =0A> Time: 07:00:39 AM PST US=0A> From: "n801b
h@netzero.com" <n801bh@netzero.com>=0A> Subject: Re: Zenith-List: Re: Vikin
g=0A> =0A> Hmmm.=0A> Here is my concept of business 101 when dealing with e
xperimental stuff.=0A> ... I create an idea, spend MY money on development
and test it beyond n=0A> ormal methods to assure myself and the future buye
r it is sound and viab=0A> le. Only then will I ACCEPT a small deposit for
me to furnish the custo=0A> mer a working firewall forward powerplant. I wi
ll ask for the remaining =0A> balance when that engine is finished and read
y to ship. The original pos=0A> ter claimed he paid a deposit, and then pai
d the remaining balance, wait=0A> ed weeks, and got hung up on when questio
ning Eggenfellner on a delivery=0A> date....... How many times have we seen
people pony up good money onl=0A> y to see it all lost by someone using fu
ture capital to fund their day t=0A> o day expenses is a "less then prudent
" way ? IMHO=0A> do not archive=0A> =0A> =0A> Ben Haas=0A> N801BH=0A> www.h
aaspowerair.com=0A> =0A> ---------- Original Message ----------=0A> From: "
Stevenco" <dstevenco@comcast.net>=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking=0A>
=0A> =0A> Seems like the person knocking a wonderful experiment in finding
a new e=0A> ngine and making it work in LSA's is upset. The person complain
ing must=0A> have believed as many do that it would work wonderfully and be
half the=0A> price of the Rotax. He also knew that this was a new project
for a bu=0A> siness dedicated to finding a reasonable option. Personal diat
ribes aga=0A> inst the experimental community, businesses and people who ho
nestly work=0A> in it really aren't necessary. The complainer did agreed to
the experi=0A> ment when they placed the deposit and made the order for an
engine that'=0A> s never truly been tested in many aircraft before. What's
really change=0A> d? The facts are that some of the engines are late becau
se of design up=0A> dates and ones so far in aircraft run well. Delay is al
so well known fu=0A> nction of the experimental market. Some people will be
upset with dela=0A> y but most won't. We can always grow up and pay for th
e Bombardier if w=0A> e want well tested engines now. Honda thought the en!
=0A> gine was worth selling, and on the track it simply screams while holdi
ng=0A> up under vicious conditions. It also has the the same reliability on
t=0A> he water. So far it looks like the experiment is working, and workin
g w=0A> ell. Time will tell. I for one hope it works well and Jan makes a f
ew =0A> bucks on his dedication to the experimental community. =0A> =0A> Pa
tience Prudence. You can ask in writing to get your money back instea=0A> d
of backbiting. I'd bet you would get a check. =0A> =0A> A quote from ADM R
ickover is in order. "Great minds discuss ideas, aver=0A> age minds discuss
events, small minds discuss people"=0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online h
ere:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345532#345532
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=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Can't find a measurement in the plans=0A> =0A> H
i Guys,=0A> =0A> =0A> I can't find a measurement in my plans and I am wonde
ring if this is one of=0A> those "fit to your plane" areas.=0A> =0A> =0A> C
an anyone tell me (roughly or specifically) what the amount of space should
=0A> be between the rear of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-
2,=0A> bottom bracket? This placement seems critical to me for proper geome
try on=0A> the canopy arms but I cannot find it in the plans.=0A> =0A> =0A>
Any help is appreciated.=0A> =0A> =0A> thanks,=0A> =0A> =0A> Steve=0A> =0A
> =0A> ________________________________ Message 5 =0A>_____________________
________________=0A> =0A> =0A> Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US=0A> From: "Steve Fr
eeman" <steve.freeman@syntaxds.com>=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Found it - ne
ver mind : Can't find a measurement in the =0A>plans=0A> =0A> Hey Guys,=0A>
=0A> =0A> I found this on my homebuilt help videos. =0A> =0A> =0A> Thanks,
=0A> =0A> =0A> steve=0A> =0A> =0A> From: Steve Freeman [mailto:steve.freema
n@syntaxds.com] =0A> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:41 PM=0A> Subject: Can
't find a measurement in the plans=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi Guys,=0A> =0A> =0A> I c
an't find a measurement in my plans and I am wondering if this is one of=0A
> those "fit to your plane" areas.=0A> =0A> =0A> Can anyone tell me (roughl
y or specifically) what the amount of space should=0A> be between the rear
of the upper engine mount and the front of 65-C-2-2,=0A> bottom bracket? Th
is placement seems critical to me for proper geometry on=0A> the canopy arm
s but I cannot find it in the plans.=0A> =0A> =0A> Any help is appreciated.
=0A> =0A> =0A> thanks,=0A> =0A> =0A> Steve=0A> =0A> =0A> __________________
______________ Message 6 =0A>_____________________________________=0A> =0A>
=0A> Time: 06:44:48 PM PST US=0A> From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
=0A> Subject: Zenith-List: Bose A20 Headset - NR Power Button - Panel Power
=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Dear Listers,=0A> =0A> I bought a couple pairs of the n
ew Bose A20's for the RV-8 and they are very =0A>nice.=0A> NR is better tha
n the Bose X's and they seem to fit my head a little better=0A> too. =0A>
=0A> But I quickly discovered that with the A20's you now have to hit the N
R Power =0A>button=0A> *every time* you start the aircraft even if you have
them panel powered.=0A> The older Bose X headsets have a slide switch for
the NR power and so you can=0A> just put the slide switch in the On positio
n and not worry about it. =0A> =0A> I really didn't like having to turn the
NR on all the time and having to =0Aremind=0A> my passengers about it, so
I came up with a modification that will =0A>automatically=0A> turn the NR o
n when panel power is applied. Its pretty simple, but requires=0A> some spe
cial tools. Its completely self-contained inside the Control Module=0A> and
works great. The modification is generally only for installations that=0A>
are panel-powered, but you could do the modification to a unit that is =0A
normally=0A> battery powered with no adverse effect. With the modification,
the NR Power=0A> button will work normally in battery power installations.
=0A> =0A> I created web page on the procedure including step-by-step photos
and =0A>instructions.=0A> Feedback is welcome.=0A> =0A> http://www.matroni
cs.com/BoseA20AutoOnModification/=0A> =0A> Matt=0A> =0A> =0A> -=0A> Matt Dr
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ing Mishap Rebuild Log=0A> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HD
TV YouTube Channel=0A> Status: 170+ Hours TTSN - Rebuilding Fuselage After
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
Than why did you tell me over the phone that my engine would be shipped in May?
Check the 801701 site.
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
Promised in May, to ship in early July?
I waited 5 months for a TCM crankshaft for an 0-200A, some of the Rolls Royce parts
I ordered from England would take from May to July just to arrive after being
'express' shipped.
Dealing with either a large or small company often results in delays.
Zenith, for example, will often take a week to ship in stock items, yet punched
out my custom order .032 aileron ribs overnight. Go figure...
We should encourage companies from guys like Jon, Ben and Jeff to continue their
innovations and not be so quick to post 'warnings' that remain on the web forever.
Although escrow costs for a $10K engine might be cost prohibitive ($200), it can
solve many problems on larger ticket items.
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Ya know... That young gal Sabrina is gonna go far with her quite clever
and intelligent answers... The Escrow idea is priceless. Not bad........
........ for ...a .... Girl... <GG>
Jus kiddin Sabrina. You are on the fast track to a great life.
do not archive.
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
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From: "Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>
Subject: Zenith-List: Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible
Promised in May, to ship in early July?
I waited 5 months for a TCM crankshaft for an 0-200A, some of the Rolls
Royce parts I ordered from England would take from May to July just to a
rrive after being 'express' shipped.
Dealing with either a large or small company often results in delays.
Zenith, for example, will often take a week to ship in stock items, yet
punched out my custom order .032 aileron ribs overnight. Go figure..
.
We should encourage companies from guys like Jon, Ben and Jeff to contin
ue their innovations and not be so quick to post 'warnings' that remain
on the web forever.
Although escrow costs for a $10K engine might be cost prohibitive ($200)
, it can solve many problems on larger ticket items.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=345813#345813
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I still say "the're not intrested in "Escrow" what there intrested in ,and
they =0Ahave to have is money to live off of and operate off of-- It't
a very intresting =0Aprincible and has been around a very long time, and I
don't think that it's =0Ataught in collage. It's called the PMA+OPM Positiv
e Mental Attatude Plus Other =0APeoples Money or watch the movie "Music Man
" you get to help pay for the're =0Adream,and if they fail all-they lose
the dream,and you get to lose your dream =0AAND the money. They find a new
- pipe dream and start again.- Joe Zenith601XL-B=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________
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w... That young gal Sabrina is gonna go far with her quite-clever and =0A
intelligent answers... The Escrow idea is priceless. Not bad...............
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=0Awww.haaspowerair.com=0A=0A---------- Original Message ----------=0AFrom:
"Sabrina" <chicago2paris@msn.com>=0ATo: zenith-list@matronics.com=0ASubjec
t: Zenith-List: Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible=0ADate: Sun, 10 Jul 20
o2paris@msn.com>=0A=0APromised in May, to ship in early July? -=0A=0AI wa
ited 5 months for a TCM crankshaft for an 0-200A, some of the Rolls Royce
=0Aparts I ordered from England would take from May to July just to arrive
after =0Abeing 'express' shipped. -=0A=0ADealing with either a large or s
mall company often results in delays. =0A=0AZenith, for example, will often
take a week to ship in stock items, yet punched =0Aout my custom order .03
2 aileron ribs overnight. ----Go figure...=0A=0AWe should encourage
companies from guys like Jon, Ben and Jeff to continue their =0Ainnovation
s and not be so quick to post 'warnings' that remain on the web =0Aforever.
--=0A=0AAlthough escrow costs for a $10K engine might be cost prohibit
ive ($200), it can =0Asolve many problems on larger ticket items.=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
I am not sure why some in aviation want to dig their own grave. To answer the
"return" of 5 engine question bluntly - it is impossible.
We are NOT GM. We are a small company that for this first batch of engines put
every dime into production. Believing in ourselves, right smack amids of the
worst economic downturn in late history. And we are succeeding.
Anyone not supporting a 50% cheaper, yet more powerful and better running engine,
by being able to wait for some time for delivery, either think we are liars,
want to spend a lot more or do not believe in our mission of making aviation
less expensive for EVERYONE. This kind of thinking occurring, even with substantial
information on the company web site, as well as on a Yahoo forum, that
engines are going out the door, that customers are getting engines and that specific
installations are being documented, etc. I have understanding for not
being happy about being the last to receive the engine, however, someone has
to be first, someone last. If we had 200 engines in stock, this would be no issue,
but for now, we do not.
You have no right to be selfish. You have an obligation to support our efforts.
Our efforts are for all of you, not for me. With the stress I have associated
with delivery, safety, financial, flight testing, etc., I should just go work
for Wall Mart and be happy :)
Our efforts are 100% based on bringing aviation back on track, using the most powerful
tool I can think of: An engine, made to be affordable, so the 100+ different
light sport aircraft designed in the last few years have a fighting chance
to sell a few copies. Don't you see what is happening? Aviation is dying
due the cost of getting, or staying involved.
You are all responsible for assisting in this. Or be happy with $18-28,000 100hp
engine packages. The positive side of this is that we do have these kinds
of customers. Some will call or write, making sure we have what we need to continue.
Some will pay ahead, with a note "I have been in business for myself
and know what it is like to keep cash flow going, especially during times of prototyping
and early production". This does not go unnoticed. Others will provide
their airplanes for the first installations, etc.
About promises for delivery: I am a very optimistic individual. If I believe
we can get engines out in May, I say we can get engines out in May. Unfortunately,
for me, we live in the real world. Parts are delayed, we learn something
that we would like to implement onto the engines, etc. If those waiting only
knew the benefits of doing so. I have learned a long time ago, I will take
the flack for being late, over delivering prior to being ready. If engines
all went out on time, the business plan could work and I could pay myself a salary.
Wouldn't that be nice.
Negativity: Stop the negativity and be exited. If you have no idea of what you
are talking about, then don't. If you want to be a forum "expert" on all issues,
then visit and fly the Viking. Or see one for yourself at Oshkosh. It
is an incredible engine package. I am sure you will have a lot to write about,
and it will be constructive. Throwing out stuff like "I don't think it is any
good because I saw some computer generated pictures" does not help aviation.
Nor does it reflect on the currency of your information. If someone has missed
the last year, the Viking is now flying in several aircraft and is scheduled
to fly in several more.
The Viking movement need positive thinkers. It needs people that have some guts
and faith. Two times now, we have had such pioneering individuals drop their
planes at the factory, remove the existing engines and have faith in flying
home with a lesser expensive, more powerful and overall better engine, and two
times it has successfully happened. Next is a Sonex.
Jan
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| Subject: | Re: Viking - no cancellatio possible |
Hi Joe,
I saw a similar scam a couple of months ago related to an announcement
of a nice new manufacturer of S-LSA planes in Poland. I read the
details on their web site and learned to get one you need to make a huge
deposit and then pay the rest 90 days before they will ship it.
Obviously they are operating on the principle you mentioned - OPM.
Any really serious business venture will be capitalized enough to
produce some product for sale before taking any money from potential
customers. The OPM model is easier to establish but it tends to lead to
the kind of dissatisfied customers we are seeing now. If I wanted to
start a new business my first priority would be to generate satisfied
customers. That way you get all sorts of new business by word-of-mouth
instead of a rotten reputation for screwing your customers.
Paul
Camas, WA
On 7/10/2011 5:11 PM, purplemoon99@bellsouth.net wrote:
> I still say "the're not intrested in "Escrow" what there intrested in
> ,and they have to have is money to live off of and operate off of
> It't a very intresting princible and has been around a very long time,
> and I don't think that it's taught in collage. It's called the PMA+OPM
> Positive Mental Attatude Plus Other Peoples Money or watch the movie
> "Music Man" you get to help pay for the're dream,and if they fail
> all they lose the dream,and you get to lose your dream AND the money.
> They find a new pipe dream and start again. Joe Zenith601XL-B
>
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