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ashontz

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Ron Lendon

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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Is this the splice you are talking about?  Found it on ch601.org



http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm

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ashontz

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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the main spar. They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler that spans the joint.



Thanks



 	  Ron Lendon wrote: 	
		  Is this the splice you are talking about?  Found it on ch601.org



http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm

lwinger

Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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Location: Tustin, CA

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:36 pm Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

I checked with ZAC and there is no required splice for the spar cap angles on the main spar.  

  

 Larry Winger

 Tustin, CA

 601XL/Corvair

 Getting close to finishing my wings

 On Nov 25, 2007 2:02 PM, ashontz <ashontz(at)nbme.org (ashontz(at)nbme.org)> wrote:

 [quote]--> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz(at)nbme.org  (ashontz(at)nbme.org)>



Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the main spar. They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler that spans the joint.



Thanks

Ron Lendon wrote: 

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		   Is this the splice you are talking about?  Found it on ch601.org



  http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm


	




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sky_ranger161

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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Hey Andy,

   

  I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is no doubler like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year or so ago by David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint was not in line with other joints (like the termination of the spar cap doublers) you should be fine. I'm sure a quick email to Mark Townsend or David (or Zenith for that matter) could be more definitive. I just wanted to let you know what I remember because I hadn't seen any replies to your question.

   

  The only reason I remember this is because I pulled my hair out for two days bending that long angle only to hear two days later that it could be done in two pieces. Wish I'd have thought to ask THAT question.

   

  Good luck.

   

  Debo Cox

  Nags Head, NC

  Scratchbuilt XL/Corvair

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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Andy, 



I had access to an 8 ft. break so spliced the spar caps 8 & 4ft. on top and 6 & 6 ft.for the bottom. I made two 8" splices out of .035 and secured them on the bottom side of the angles with 2 small flush solid rivets, spaced to miss the A5's when I drilled and riveted the skins into the caps. Make sure to drive the Solid rivets through the spar web and caps to respect all edge distances.

Terry Turnquist



Debo Cox <sky_ranger161(at)yahoo.com> wrote:[quote] Hey Andy,

   

  I bent mine in one long section, but if I understand correctly there is no doubler like I think you're thinking about. I remember a post a year or so ago by David Barth saying that as long as the spar cap angle joint was not in line with other joints (like the termination of the       Be a better pen pal.  [quote][b]

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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

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Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario  

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 OTIS  

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com  

   

  

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

I have also posted the spar cap splice on www.ch601.org in the builders resources.   

     

Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario  

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 Otis  

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com  

  

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ashontz

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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Funny, I just talked to I believe it was Sebastian and he was like "uh, I'd imagine a doubler with 5 or 6 rivets either side would be a good idea."



So what's the final word on this before I go pulling out the doubler I have in there and making it longer. Looking at the FAA Advisory Circular under Repairs (seeing as how the butt joint is essentially the same as a crack, for .032 you'd need a 1.5 times the thickness doubler with 5 rivets either side. Good guess on whoever at Zenith gave me the thumbs up. Still, I'd like to know if they do or don't require it in this approved design change.



[quote="lwinger"]I checked with ZAC and there is no required splice for the spar cap angles on the main spar.  

  

 Larry Winger

 Tustin, CA

 601XL/Corvair

 Getting close to finishing my wings

 On Nov 25, 2007 2:02 PM, ashontz <ashontz> wrote:

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		  --> Zenith-List message posted by: "ashontz" <ashontz>



Not the rear spar splice, the butt joint for the spar cap angles on the main spar. They can be made in two sections, but there should be a doubler that spans the joint.



Thanks

Ron Lendon wrote: 

 	  Quote: 	
		   Is this the splice you are talking about?  Found it on ch601.org



  http://ch601.org/resources/rear%20spar/601xl_rear_spar_splice.htm



	




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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

davids601xl(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Hi Guys. 

When we originally proposed this butt joint to Chris

Heintz the first question was whether or not the spar

cap angle was used in the strength calculations of the

spar or if its purpose was simply to attach the skins

to the spar.  All the spar cap angle does is transfer

the load from the skin to the spar. We could have used

a whole bunch of little angles (one for each rivet)

but it is simpler to use less (one or two) Therefore

no doubler is required.  



We recognize that it does carry some of the load of

the spar so it is important to have the butt joint

located away from the termination of the front spar

caps (top and bottom) to avoid stress concentrations

at that location. Mark Townsend mentioned 16 inches I

believe. I hope this clarifies things somewhat. 

David



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ashontz

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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Spar cap angles on 601xl

Cool. Thanks



Ok, now I can stop worrying about pulling that shorty doubler out that I have in there currently. I'll put another short doubler on the other spar when I get around to making it just for anal-retentive/feng shui balance/qi reasons, you know, so I know I have identical spars on either side, even if the doubler isn't actually needed.



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 	  zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca wrote: 	
		  I have also posted the spar cap splice on www.ch601.org in the builders resources.   

     

Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario  

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 Otis  

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com/ www.Osprey2.com  

  

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