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darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Utah

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

First off...why is it that the last 5% of the project takes 95% of the time?  Seems like progress has slowed to a snails pace!



Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when does one get the FAA involved for registration?  Does the plane have to be "ready to fly" before starting the paperwork?  Obviously, the plane needs to be ready to go when the DAR inspection is scheduled but can I get started on other paperwork before this?  If so, anybody care to give me some pointers?



Just FYI, I would like to be flying the Phase 1 hours by mid summer or earlier if possible.

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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah

avidfox

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 87

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

".....when does one get the FAA involved for registration? "

  

 http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf

 



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henrysfork1(at)msn.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  I am going to answer you Darin as I had inspectors from SLC come to Idaho  to do mine. I would suggest you start your paper work now. The plane should be  pretty well done but it take quit a bit of time to get them there to do the  inspection. When they did get there they were not concerned to find mine lacking  a couple of things. They were very good to work with and quit helpful. They set  up my test flight restrictions and the items left unfinished were completed. I  was permitted begin testing with no further inspections. That is the last I  heard from them.

  

 Dee Young

 Model II

 N345DY

  

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avidfox

Joined: 03 Apr 2007
Posts: 87

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

Hmm...bad link?

  

 try..

 http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/amateur_regs/

  

 And again... http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf

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Edited to clarify links....

 No substitution for 1st hand experience, but a good time line will be found at

http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/ultralights/amateur_built/amateur_regs/

 

Then click on

20-27, Certification and Operation of Amateur-Built Aircraft. 



which should take you to:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0CA2845E2AAFFFBB86256DBF00640CB2?OpenDocument



which will give a PDF link to the original intended reply

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/0ca2845e2aafffbb86256dbf00640cb2/$FILE/AC20-27F.pdf



Hopes this works...



Steve

84KF

KF5\912UL

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fredshiple(at)sbcglobal.n
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

The EAA will supply an info pack that includes all the necessary papers and clear instructions on when and how to get them to the FAA. The best $12 I spent when building my Kitfox and now registering the RV7.

You need to allow 12 weeks to get your registration completed by the FAA, so should get your registration form, bill of sale and notarized builder form to them now.

Fred



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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

At 03:03 PM 3/26/2008, you wrote:

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		  Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when 

does one get the FAA involved for registration?  Does the plane have 

to be "ready to fly" before starting the paperwork?  Obviously, the 

plane needs to be ready to go when the DAR inspection is scheduled 

but can I get started on other paperwork before this?  If so, 

anybody care to give me some pointers?


	


         You can do the registration anytime. If you are an EAA 

member their membership pages walk you through it nicely. The FAA 

also has a nice pamphlet on registration. Working from memory you:



1. Reserve an N number on-line. (You can let the FAA pick it, but why?)



2. Make sure you've got a complete bill of sale trace from the 

original manufacturer to you. For some reason the FAA has gotten anal 

about this.



3. Fill out and mail in your registration with the bill of sale information.



4. Get your registration back.



5. Put on your N numbers. (I wouldn't do it until after registration, 

just in case.)



6. Finish the plane, including a complete "conditional inspection".



7. Make an appointment with a convenient DAR. Take out a 3rd mortgage 

to pay his fee. (You already took out a 2nd to finish the plane, right?)



8. MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION ON THE DATA PLATE IS EXACTLY WHAT IS ON 

THE FAA FORMS. My DAR was seriously anal about this. I don't know 

why. I had to redo the forms before his arrival to exactly match my data plate.



9. The DAR comes and verifies that yes, your's looks like an 

airplane, helps you fill out the forms, takes your home in payment, 

then leaves.



10. You go flying.



11. If you want to do your own conditional inspections you go to your 

local FSDO and fill out another form and they'll issue a Repairman's 

Certificate. They might even ask if you built it.



         Mea culpa if I missed a few steps, it's been a while and I 

worked from memory.

Guy Buchanan

San Diego, CA

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

DanM

Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 64
Location: Kingsburg, Calif.

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

I'm curious, what is the average cost of the FAA or DAR inspection these days?

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Dan Mc Intyre
Kitfox IV
Jabiru 2200 SN 1311 , 59.7 hours
Sensenich 62x46
N443DM

msm_9949(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:23 am Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

Darin,

   

  You can get your N number anytime, reserve it on line on FAA site. Just before the FAA or private DAR does the airworthiness inspection, have an EAA technical advisor do a pre-inspection. You can find the nearest TA on EAA's website.

   



darinh <gerns25(at)netscape.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "darinh" 



First off...why is it that the last 5% of the project takes 95% of the time? Seems like progress has slowed to a snails pace!



Now the questions: For those of you who have done this before, when does one get the FAA involved for registration? Does the plane have to be "ready to fly" before starting the paperwork? Obviously, the plane needs to be ready to go when the DAR inspection is scheduled but can I get started on other       Be a better friend, newshound, and  [quote][b]

dcsfoto

Joined: 24 Aug 2006
Posts: 120

Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

1 as a DAR I have never taken a home as payment,in fact the last homebuilt I did for free since it was at my home airport.



you can register any time. do it soon as OKC is in the process of going all digital and seems to be loosing a lot of paperwork.

make sure to keep a unsigned copy and a copy of what you sent.



most DARs in Arkansas charge $450.00 plus expenses if long distance travel is required.

David   Model 7 912s    Model 3 912

kitfox(at)ida.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

I got my paper work from the FAA out of SLC. You should be talking to them 

now. The paperwork took quite awhile on both of my planes. They were great 

to work with and the inspector was very helpful even before he came to 

Idaho. He let me know what he expected before he showed up. That was a 

couple of years back so a phone call would be your best bet to get things 

started I think.

Albert Smith

MudLake, Idaho

5TD, NSI T, CAP

darinh

Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 327
Location: Utah

Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Re: 95% Complete??? Registration questions

Thank for the info guys!  I have my n-number reserved and have since read the AC on registration of homebuilt aircraft.  This document has provided everything I need so I am sending the paperwork in today.

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Darin Hawkes
Series 7
914 Turbo
Kaysville, Utah

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